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I am a straight woman. So ill never know what it feels like to be played by a woman. Ill never know what its like to be a "betabux" and be on the recieving end of womens end game. I will never be used, cheated on, divorced raped by women. Im not an incel or a socially awkward guy. I can only speak objectively when ppl speak about women in general, mirroring parts of my reality. Though I am able to think rationally with some empathy to those who have been burned by women. And I understand that.

Some of you are straight men, an incel, a what ever piller. You will never know what it is like to be a woman. Never. You will never be on the recieving end of a "chad", a creep, an abuser, nothing. The most u can do is speak objectively, mirroring parts of your realty into a response. You can spew out your "research" but it means nothing to people with lived experience.

People need to understand that. Empathy and actually having an open mind in a discussion is crucial to understanding. Some of u went through some shit with women and it sucks it really does - and im sure many women here agree that some women can be shitty. Women here probably went through some shit with men and it sucks aswell.

I think the biggest problem is that you have majority of frequent users here as women that dont fit the narrative of "facts" being spewed out as generalizations. So its objected as being facts. People saying "Hello im living proof ur wrong". But its ignored. The most ignorant ppl here ive witnessed is RP (surprise) bc of the lack of understanding and pure dismissal of lived experiences. We get it. U got fucked over. Okay. U are speaking with women who aren't ur usual "Stacy's" bc im damn sure Stacy isn't on here debating with u - shes getting dicked down.

Would u rather hear war stories from someone who read about it, memorized the dates and watched some war movies? Or from someone who experienced it all and went through it?

Apply the same thought to speaking with the opposite gender of who u are actually trying to understand more.

GN.


[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy31 points32 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure if it's this random corner of the interwebs, but there's a collection of regular female users here who represent something I've never experienced in life. Low n count, 2 boyfriends married the second one, seemingly loyal, etc. it's kinda weird but they're fun to talk to.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it funny you've just described me mum, just without the reddit.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because outside of online dating and hookup culture the typical woman will only date 2-5 men in her life with 0-3 ons.

That's the actual advrage. TRP makes it seem like millions of women are into casual sex when it's really less then 20%.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That just seems very alien to me, it wasn't that way when I was coming up and I was around before online dating.

[–]Supernumiphone5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it wasn't that way when I was coming up and I was around before online dating.

Yeah same. In the 80s and 90s it seemed like everyone was fucking everyone else. Different social circles I guess. I hardly knew anyone who wasn't spreading themselves around in their 20s.

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here. The single market as described on PPD just wouldn't have happened in the 90s/early 00s

[–]ayeayefitlikeBlueish-Purple Pill Woman11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My entire friend group is like this (although about half are still engaged to said guy rather than married yet), which is why I find RP theory so bizarre. EqUally, I barely know anyone with divorced parents, and certainly no one in my family/family friends etc.

I’m happy to admit I probably got very lucky and have quite an extreme experience because of that, but regularly getting told I’m wrong despite my life experience is really frustrating. It might not represent all women/relationships, but there is obviously some level of social circle where the norm is good relationship role models and well adjusted men and women in happy relationships so I think it’s worth discussing as much as crazy baby mamas and the cock carousel.

[–]TheMarbleSlab3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean this is me but I get told I MUST be ugly if I am not being showered by male attention.

[–]frogsgoribbit7374 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

That's because most women are like that. You guys have this weird opinion of women that just isn't true.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most women aren't like the ones on PPD either. The type of person who actually participates in this sub doesn't tend to be reflective of the average. Same goes for the men here.

[–]PieceBringerPurple Swag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree, maybe we're just in different countries, but where I'm from is not like that at all.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

My life experience tells me different.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Do you think your life experience is universal?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No more than yours.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, but it's common among men. Especially among Red Pill men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I find that highly doubtable.

[–]ianlittle2000-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most women I know have slept with more than 2 guys, and a lot of them are manipulative cunts. A lot of them aren't too but in me experience there are a lot of women that fit with some red pill notions.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The point is you RPers think all women are one way simply due to a bad experience with women or due to constantly attracting the same kind of woman.

[–]ianlittle2000-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't this thread all about accepting peoples life experience as valid?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where did I invalidate their experience?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

genesis sais quoi?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what? do you mean "je ne sais quoi"?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you find most women don't have loads of sex partners.

[–]concacanca1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Conversely, my definition of slut has been somewhat changed in the last year or so. That's more by moving to NYC than the sub but I don't think they are all chatting shit at least lol.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've seen women do all manner of depraved shit and teach RP tenets with a vengeance. I think it was during that run of "N-Count" posts we had awhile back and they were reporting lifetime numbers like 2 or 3, I'm thinking to myself, What? I've seen many women hit that number in a week. Honestly, it was a bit refreshing to read.

Maybe there's just special unicorn water that attracts them to the PPD watering hole.

Have fun in the Big Apple, it's a great city.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it comes down to your bubble.

I grew up surrounded by normal well adjusted people. It wasn't until I became friends with a group from a different part of the city that I saw the trashy shit rp guys talk about.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'v met them in real life. They're rare af though.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Would u rather hear war stories from someone who read about it, memorized the dates and watched some war movies? Or from someone who experienced it all and went through it?

I'd rather hear from someone who says the primary victims of war are women

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Me, too. If that person were in the White House right now, Selective Service would have included women as of 2017.

[–]the_calibre_cat8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doubtful. If there's one thing we've seen, is that feminism reliably chases "equality" when it comes to things like good paying jobs, being taken seriously, etc. Registering for the potential draft? Nah.

[–]question494620 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, maybe this is partly true in areas where roaming armies round up women and turn them into sex slaves, but in the first world it’s men who go out and die so that women can be safe.

[–]MrButtholePoopy 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

A fucking Men brother.

[–]allanmes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How u do such big spaces???

[–]MrButtholePoopyHy My Name is0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

pres space nibba

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

While I don't agree with Atlas about empathy not existing, I think most people that make displays of empathy are virtue signaling. PPD talks to you how people treat you.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Care to explain further?

[–]darla104 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Empathy is about showing, not telling. If you’re telling, you are the opposite of empathic.

[–]killallthenarcs14 points15 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

The trouble with having empathy for dudes is it always ends up being translated into "well if you understand so well why won't you fuck me"

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Not always.

[–]killallthenarcs2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

NAMALT? Well whatever, enough men are like that, that for the purposes of a woman extending empathy to dudes she doesn't want to fuck, they might as well all be.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, it's just best not to go there, lest you be accused of "leading him on"!

[–]darla105 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This happened to me so many times when I was younger. I finally just turned into an ice queen.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying if women is sensitive or kind to unfamiliar men in anyway that exclusively means she wants a to fuck?

[–]killallthenarcs1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well there you go, that's your solipsism speaking. Because you're not entirely certain that other individuals exist outside of their relevancy to you, you see women's actions in terms of what you hope or fear the outcome for you will be, not as products of the woman's thought processes that are complex and personal and in which you are not a particularly significant factor compared to a million other things.

When a woman is sensitive or kind to unfamiliar men maybe it means she wants to fuck... or maybe it means she's bought into a bunch of stupid bullshit about having to be empathetic to everyone and has ignored the reality of what men are about when they ask for empathy. Or maybe it means she's a foolish optimist. Or maybe she's testing a theory. Or maybe she's in a bad mood and just wants to lead a guy on then tell him to fuck off and watch his ego shrivel. Or maybe she's virtue signalling for onlookers. Or maybe she wants him to buy her a coffee. Or whatever. Not everything is about the relevancy of her actions to your penis.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wut.

Yo, you totally missed the point of that unironic statement.

[–]PieceBringerPurple Swag2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

For dudes or for incels?

[–]killallthenarcs0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Dudes who aren't substantially in the incel dynamic aren't in general complaining. Even divorced men... if they are still getting easily laid to the standard they want and didn't experience a massive reduction or interruption to "service" then the child support and property settlement get taken in stride, part of the cost of doing business.

[–]PieceBringerPurple Swag1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is assuming that "dudes" complain only about lack of women. Which I don't find true.

[–]killallthenarcs0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

They complain about anything at all when they are unhappy, and they are unhappy when they don't have women.

[–]PieceBringerPurple Swag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

not in my experience, actually I rarely ever heard about men talking about lack of girls irl.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know. I think that after five years or so single guys stop caring as much too.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

nah thats only incels. There's other situations where men want atleast some understanding and get none from most women. The only healthy response is to stop expecting it. All possible sympathy shuts off after that. I have too much self respect to be able to care about people who want me broke miserable and dead.

[–]killallthenarcs5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

nah thats only incels.

No. It is most men. Sympathy is like some sort of damn aphrodisiac. Want an 8 guy to fuck you even though you're a morbidly obese 3? Find his deep secret hurt and shame, get him alone, apply forgiveness and understanding. He'll try to crawl right back up that motherly womb of yours. Pitiful creatures.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wont say you are wrong, I would argue that women are just as manipulable though.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a few women that would enjoy using such a technique, and might even benefit from it.

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm guilty of feeling this towards women tbf

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Because it just amounts to anecdotal evidence. It's not a singular incident it's a societal problem. A woman saying "Well, I've never used a guy before or rode the code carousel, my husband was the first guy I ever had sex with!" Mean nothing, she is a stastical anomaly. It's even worse than guys saying "Well, I'm not a rapist!" When women talk about rape, Because at least 99% of men arent rapists.

[–]rhyth74 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

99% is overly optimistic since most men only see violent force and p in v as rape. I'm sure that you have talked to many rapists in your life without knowing it.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, I forgot about "stare rape" and having sex with a woman who had a sip of alchohol 10 hours ago 😂

[–]rhyth75 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's nice to be flippant isn't it? But you men are so scared of 'divorce rape'

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Divorce Rape" is the second worst term in the universe next to "toxic masculinity" and that's not even by any appreciable margin. It even surpasses "land whale" and "shortie." Oh and I also strongly believe Kavanaugh was guilty as fuck.

This "many rapists" thing, though, is just outright fear mongering. Most men aren't rapists - they don't coerce, threaten, trick, or drug someone. FireAlarm911 was right, "star rape" is a thing among feminists.

[–]ianlittle2000-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think Kavanaugh was guilty? There is no evidence.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Congress and the FBI failed to properly apply due process here - they failed to perform a full criminal investigation of Ford's allegations, much less those of the other women who came out. This is far, far beyond dispute.

Why would they fail to carry out their legal duties? Because they're cowards. They're scared Kavanaugh would be found guilty.

You don't cut short an investigation and deny accusers the right to testify unless you're scared. Period. Dot. Stop.

[–]NeedingAdvice860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You will not get an answer, then a redirect to his 'demeanor' disqualified him.

But then that was the entire point of the operation from the start.....provide a cause belli so that opponents would have something on to latch which even if a failure in stopping Kavanaugh it provides something for the election.

In order to believe such a silly accusation, you have to really, really WANT to believe it...and when you WANT to believe something then you don't really need evidence or for it to even make sense....

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would understanding help anything?

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You've completely missed the point that divorce-raping and betraying men - is rewardabe behavior, while harrassing, stalking, and abusing women - is punishable behavior. Rewardable by armed people with nukes, and punishable by armed people with nukes. YOU need to understand this. Your mind went completely blank on this [s]TINY, INSIGNIFICANT[/s] thingy-thing, and you have the nerve to tell us something about "actually trying to understand" other people and especially women, and having an open mind, when they pour "getting catcalled is worse than death" bullshit onto us?!!

As a person whose nation got invaded during WW2, I can assure you that not all witnesses of war are equally reliable. There were folks who loved to sing tirades to themselves about how they single-handedly disabled three enemy tanks in one day, because it made girls around them wet and drooling. We did not come up with doubting witness claims just to oppress women, but for way better reason - because people who have vested interest in narrative tend to lie.

I'm feeling uncomfortable explaining it to a grown-ass woman.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Your angry.

Speak to me when you can hold a decent conversation. I am not one of the women who say "cat calling is worse than death"

So try again.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am not one of the women who say "cat calling is worse than death"

Yes; you simply said that IF a woman tells me that being catcalled by a man is worse than death, I should believe her.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes; you simply said

Tell me where I said those exact words. Not your interpretation of my words, those exact ones.

Ill be waiting for you to quote me.

And if u can't find it, ill help you interpret my post so u can actually ask proper questions and come to a logical conclusion - if not, then good day.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would u rather hear war stories from someone who read about it, memorized the dates and watched some war movies? Or from someone who experienced it all and went through it?

Apply the same thought to speaking with the opposite gender of who u are actually trying to understand more.

Not only these are your exact words, but I pointed out why they constitute a generally bad advice.

speaking with the opposite gender of who u are actually trying to understand more.

Or maybe I just misinterpreted this piece of grammar because it definitely doesn't seem right to me. I usually speak with people, not with "gender of" someone.

[–]andtheywontstopcomin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You didn’t address his argument. You just said ur angry lolz and ran away.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Also. It's YOU'RE.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Damn, did I get u even more angry?

Hilarious.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your posts read like they were written by a bunch of feminism that fused with itself and manifested into a talking thing. "Men, believe women!" - "But women lie to get their way" - "LYULZ YOUR MADZ FUQBOI" - "Your spelling is bad" - "LAWLZ YARR MAD"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Men, believe women!" - "But women lie to get their way" - "LYULZ YOUR MADZ FUQBOI" - "Your spelling is bad" - "LAWLZ YARR MAD"

Im not even a Feminist which is the funniest thing. And is that English? Its sad that you dare to type like that to even compare it to me when none of my posts relate to that. Thats how much you have to pull out of ur ass to stay relevent in this conversation and to dismiss it.

Your spelling is bad

You're the one who corrected me LMFAOOO.

You are a lost cause.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And is that English?

Its

ur ass

relevent

[–]BronzehawkattackBlack Pill13 points14 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

So what's your point? You want us to believe your "lived experiences" when it comes to the SMP? But what about our lived experiences, are they just invalid because you or other women say "Well i'm not like the women you describe"?

I'll believe what someone will say is true in their personal experience -- that's empathy, but when they try and extrapolate on that to mean that their personal experience is how the SMP as a whole works then obviously i'll object with facts and research.

To use your analogy. I'll listen to a war vet who told me their personal experience, and i'll take that all in. But they're going to be biased and won't be able to speak for a lot of the finer details. To get an unbiased and full picture though, i'll consult a history book, not a war vet.

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!20 points21 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You guys don't listen to anyone. You just complain.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're probably too far gone at this point

[–]BronzehawkattackBlack Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We listen to facts, unfortunately you bloopers have a hard time offering up any facts and cant rebutt any of ours.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh the irony.

[–]question494620 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The moment I whip out a study, suddenly the conversation’s gone on too long and the points don’t matter that much. 😂

[–]andtheywontstopcomin-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At least their complaints are rooted in statistical and extensive anecdotal evidence. One could argue that shits like you listen the least. You consistently bash everyone on this sub in a way that appeals to the Reddit hive mind even though you lack substance to back your claims up. Even toxic subs like braincels have a lot of discussion from both sides. More often than not, blackpill guys listen to blue pillers like you rant on about how delusional everyone else is. Sure, there are some toxic idiots out there who just whine about no gf and push everything else away, but those are cherry picked

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry can't reply to your repetitious inane regurgitation apparently I'm Chad so I've got to get busy sleeping with literally all the women

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But what about our lived experiences, are they just invalid because you or other women say "Well i'm not like the women you describe"?

Firstly im speaking from both sides. Did i not say:

Some of u went through some shit with women and it sucks it really does - and im sure many women here agree that some women can be shitty.

And

Though I am able to think rationally with some empathy to those who have been burned by women. And I understand that.

but when they try and extrapolate on that to mean that their personal experience is how the SMP as a whole works then obviously i'll object with facts and research.

Did I say u should never object? U got the first part, thats what my post is about. People do no empathize at all. If u do then this post isnt for you. Clearly

To get an unbiased and full picture though, i'll consult a history book, not a war vet.

To speak about the experiences of war as if being there and experiences everyday life of it? Well we can agree to disagree on that.

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Facts and stats are much more useful and interesting than the personal experience in the war example and the SMP/RMP

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'll listen

[Black Pill]

One of these things doesn't check out

[–]KwangiraBlack Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Explain.

[–]BronzehawkattackBlack Pill2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Black pillers are the most likely to listen if you actually present facts since our entire belief revolves around provable scientific facts about dating.

But instead you whine on and on about "b-b-but NAWALT!" or "b-b-but hold frame bro!" instead of presenting actual research or studies that back up what you say, and when we do present strong evidence to back up our world view, you throw a temper tantrum and go "Wow, so you won't just completely accept everything I pull out of my asss, I guess you're not worth helping! >:( >:( >:(" before storming off.

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

likely to listen

But instead you whine on and on about

Really? Did I say that? Any evidence? Or just some other generic non-Blackpiller you lumped me in with? Good listening skills and facts bro.

[–]BronzehawkattackBlack Pill0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I listed a generic Blue pill and generic Red pill line, you didn't give me anything to listen to, you just snarked at me, twice now.

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I pointed out a contradiction. You claimed you listen and use arguments based on evidence. But instead of listening to me, you accused me of shit I didn't do based on no evidence, the opposite of what you say you do.

(My flair is neither blue nor red).

[–]BronzehawkattackBlack Pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tit for tat, you accused me of shit I didn't do first, don't start acting all butthurt because I did the same right back

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol butthurt? I'm happy I caught your hypocrisy.

Now's not the time to pretend you can read emotions. If you need "tit for tat" and feel accused, maybe you're butthurt.

[–]BronzehawkattackBlack Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunno, you sound a little butthurt to me bro, calm down. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There is no hypocrisy, you still haven't said anything substantial, just a bunch of snark.

[–]KwangiraBlack Pill4 points5 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

No thanks, that is not true.

This sounds like a post that's attempting to trick men to become more naive in taking the shitty, mostly worthless anecdotes of women in this subreddit more seriously.

Nothing in this post has any relation with empathy. A very empathetic person would be able to notice when a woman is lying through her teeth for more attention and sympathy for example.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (30 children) | Copy Link

Did i ever say you should always forget facts and your own lived experience? And I literally said for both sides.. Ur taking your own twist to my words. Clearly the exact point I made.

No it is empathy.

If no one I have ever met a man who has been divorced raped (which i literally have not) but a shitload of guys on here share their stories it will change my perception and understand more where that anger is coming from and take myself out of that box I have only lived in and open the truth that not all men are users and cheaters (which is what is around me). Same for men but if u want to think "mostly worthless anecdotes of women in this subreddit more seriously." Then ur a lost cause.

We are a group of people here. If u are so grounded in your facts and opinions, why are u here other than to hear others opinions and stories.

[–]KwangiraBlack Pill1 point2 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

No, what you're asking for is more sympathy else you wouldn't throw a tantrum like this when motives are questioned.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

What are u getting so worked up over? You sound like ur throwing a tantrum, actually. Not me.

Its a mixture of both actually. But im speaking on the empathy part.

"sympathy is feeling compassion, sorrow, or pity for the hardships that another person encounters. empathy is putting yourself in the shoes of another"

I can firstly sympathize with the divorce raped, cheated, used, etc. But then ill empathize with him and understand where he is coming from and feelings he feels towards women by thinking of myself in that situation. Why he is saying certain things, why he acts the way he does, and so on and so forth.

[–]KwangiraBlack Pill1 point2 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Yet you take issue when motives are questioned. Understanding one's motivations through empathy does not mean you respect them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Yet you take issue when motives are questioned.

When did you question my motive? You stated what you thought my post was about. You didnt question me, anything.

Understanding one's motivations through empathy does not mean you respect them.

I understand the motives of some men who cheat, have multiple baby mothers, etc. Does it make me respect them? No. But at least its something that when I hear about it i won't throw a fit saying AMALT and dismiss the men that arent like that.

[–]KwangiraBlack Pill1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

When did you question my motive? You stated what you thought my post was about. You didnt question me, anything.

Either you are unintelligent or deliberately acting obtuse, to call something into question stands synonymous for expressing your doubt.

I understand the motives of some men who cheat, have multiple baby mothers, etc. Does it make me respect them? No. But at least its something that when I hear about it i won't throw a fit saying AMALT and dismiss the men that arent like that.

I clearly meant that you didn't have to respect the motives themselves so that you can always call them into question or even criticise them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Either you are unintelligent or deliberately acting obtuse, to call something into question stands synonymous for expressing your doubt.

If u came to me with an open mind to have an actual discussion, i wouldnt have any issues with u questioning my motives. A question gets answered, and asking a question leaves room for a two way conversation. A statement telling me i am completley wrong and its not true at all gets answered back defending my post. Obviously.

Lmfao looks who is throwing a temper tantrum.

[–]Kwangira 1 points [recovered]  (18 children) | Copy Link

You don't address anything, go off on a tangent and then accuse others of having a temper.

Your self-awareness couldn't be lower.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

What am I not addressing? You are killing me lmfao.

then accuse others of having a temper. Your self-awareness couldn't be lower.

Coming from the person who accused me of having a temper tantrum after a reply. You really are inconsistant. Go over your comments before u try to come for me.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How is OP throwing a tantrum?

[–]KwangiraBlack Pill1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Irritated tone that is identifiable by abuse of rhetorical questions.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you just kinda feel like they’re throwing a tantrum? Sounds like a biased interpretation.

[–]KwangiraBlack Pill2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I just told you about the unnecessary amount of rhetorical questions.

I'm pretty sure you already had this answer in mind when you asked me in your previous comment. Unfortunately for you, you've made yourself look like the extremely biased one here instead.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m not empathetic really, but I have learned a lot from a few women on here talk about their lived experiences, but their experiences haven’t made me less red, just a different type of red I guess

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A more open minded, NAWALT red? Lol.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope I’m definitely AWALT af

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 20181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a cruel twist of fate that the people we would like empathy from the most often give us nothing.

[–]woyspawn1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You will never be on the recieving end of a "chad", a creep, a male abuser, nothing relationship related.

The issue with most of those, is that they are self inflicted damages by women.

Women select for Chads that pump and dump them and for violent fuckers, that originally were violent to others and then ended beating them up.

Creeps are usually not tolerated by males and we easily emphathize with women about that.

On the other hand, betabux thought everything was fine for 8 years of marriage, then divorce rape. Betas don't get sympathy on TRP either. It's a that's life, enjoy the decline and you should have known better, don't impregnate the next one.

Incels don't get much sympathy either. If you're ugly, dumb and poor. Though luck. Otherwise, rise your smv, and do the best you can.

There is are no pairs among men. That's why MRAs are seen as pussies. The little empathy a man can allow himself goes to his loved ones.

[–]jonascf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But being betabux is also a self-inflicted damage. Just refuse to be with women that won't carry their part of the everyday burdens and you won't end up as betabux.

[–]TwentyX41 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a big part of it is also the fact that some minority (on both sides) say exaggerated, ridiculous things that gets everyone on the other side riled up, which prevents empathy and gets everyone into a combative mindset.

[–]MGTOWtoday7 points8 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

As a general point, I agree that everyone should have more empathy. But I've been studying psychology for 15 years and evolutionary psychology for over 5 years, and you can talk all day long about "lived experience", but there is empirical scientific data that backs up a whole host of red pill truths. What's more, men have been empathetic with women since the dawn of time. What has never taken place is women being particularly empathetic towards men. But here's the thing. I don't need you to understand my lived experience. Nor do I need you to feel sorry for me. Quite frankly, I could care less if you wanted me fulfilled and happy or miserable and dead. Your feels means nothing to me, and my feels should mean nothing to you. What matters is the only thing that has ever mattered, and that's the FACTS. And the fact is that feminism is not even remotely grounded in science. Feminism doesn't produce scientific theories, it produces propaganda. Meanwhile, the roots of the Red Pill has been grounded in science from the very beginning. It seeks to explore the scientific cause and manifestation of concepts like hypergamy and neoteny. In short, the RP is trying to make sense of the world, while feminism is trying to turn everything in the world into nonsense.

[–]allweknowisD16 points17 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

the roots of the Red Pill has been grounded in science from the very beginning

Oh boy, that’s a screamer

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"Grounded in butthurt" would be more accurate I think!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

eggs bee! le updooted

[–]doot_bot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

doot

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You and willow-girl do realize you're proving the OP's point, right? I mean, you do get that, don't you?

[–]allweknowisD5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You realise that saying TRP isn’t based in science isn’t lacking empathy, right? I mean, you do get that, don’t you?

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

EvoPsych speculation isn't "grounded in science"

[–]MGTOWtoday0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Evolutionary psychology IS science.

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, it's a pseudoscience branch of psychology.

Generally speaking, the hypotheses are not testable under the scientific method or controlled experiments. It rests on confirmation bias: you observe patterns, and you assume those patterns are explained by evolution because it "kinda makes sense" and can rationalize it, but can't actually test or confirm it.

[–]MGTOWtoday1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Evolutionary Psychology is a pseudoscience branch of psychology."

Wrong.

"Most of the hypotheses are not testable under the scientific method."

Wrong.

"The conclusions don't come from controlled experiments."

Wrong.

"They rest on confirmation bias: you observe patterns, and you assume those patterns are explained by evolution because those rationalizations "kinda makes sense", but you can't actually test or confirm it."

Wrong.

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

0 evidence or arguments. Cool story bro.

MGTOWtoday

Wrong.

I can do it too.

[–]MGTOWtoday2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The only reason why you even said this is because you copied and pasted it from RationalWiki. Familiarize yourself with the actual science.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

The basis of feminism is safe and reliable birth control, which has only been around for about 100 years. Evolutionary psychology is not going to help you much in understanding because the rules of the game have changed.

Let me give you an example. I was born in the 1960s, a time when the value of staying slim and attractive in order to keep/attract a man was almost universally understood. When I was a young woman, my mother lectured me repeatedly on this topic, warning me that if I "let myself go," my new husband would cheat on me or divorce me, and it would be my own fault, and no one would feel sorry for me. Now, this was a perfectly logical "rule" for my mother's generation, a time when women generally didn't receive an education, couldn't support themselves and were quickly saddled with large families. It was imperative to retain one's breadwinner! But when she gave me advice like this, I just laughed and looked at her as if she had sprouted a second head! I didn't have children and made more money than my husband. My attitude was, "If he wants to cheat or leave, there's the door. He's free to walk through it anytime." I didn't perceive myself as having anything to lose as I could support myself with no problem.

Fast forward 25 years, and I look around at younger women and am kind of amazed. In a way, it makes me sad, because they look kind of ... fat and drab. I grew up in an era of big hair and elaborate makeup! OTOH, I'm kind of glad that women no longer seem to feel the need to put hours into their appearance every day to impress/attract men. They can have short hair or be a few pounds overweight without worrying that they're putting their financial future into jeopardy, lol.

I think we're still at the beginning of this trajectory, as social norms take awhile to catch up to new realities. But going forward, in the Western world at least, I think women will be much less concerned with pleasing (and manipulating) men in order to get what they need, because they will be increasing able to earn and achieve themselves, and will take that option.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think women will be much less concerned with pleasing (and manipulating) men in order to get what they need, because they will be increasing able to earn and achieve themselves, and will take that option.

Women have had 2 generations to get there. They aren't doing it. A minority of women do; sure; but most don't. Most women don't work hard because 1) they don't want to; 2) they can't; and 3) they don't have to. Any woman who wants to can always fall back on a man, or the government. And guess what? THEY DO. All the time.

[–]Eartherry2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's only if you think getting married to a man is refusing to work hard. Getting married and having kids guarantees a net loss, so if it really were about money she'd be better off focusing on a career. Obviously, and not just because it hasn't been necessary since Title IX, women don't marry men for money anymore.

[–]RadChadswell 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Other way around. Most women work hard. A minority of women are gold-diggers who rely on the husband to provide.

US demographic data shows that, for pretty much every age group, the employment rate of women is as high or almost as high as the employment rate for men (90-100%). It's hard to link (interactive data tables), but check it out at census.gov. There are welfare moms, but there are also deadbeat men. Overall the employment rates are almost the same.

Most women work and earn money. Since the wage gap is small / fiction, women earn good money too. Married women tend to earn a bit less than their husbands, but they also do most of the housework and childcare while holding down a job. That's still working hard overall.

As for economic dependence, if she wasn't married she would have less work in the home and could work even harder at work, so she isn't dependent on the husband's higher income. Their kids are. He provides higher income in lieu of helping out with the kids. It's for the kids benefit, not hers. If they had no kids and she had no husband, she'd be economically fine. Most women are already working hard and don't depend on the man's income.

Lazy golddiggers are now the minority exception. If you were dumb enough to marry one and got divorce raped, sorry bro, but that's not scientific evidence most women are like that.

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm confused by your comment. It's well known that there are fewer women in the workforce than men.

the employment rate of women is as high or almost as high as the employment rate for men (90-100%)

Whoa. The employment rate (and unemployment rate) is based on the number of men/women who are actively looking for work compared to the number of men/women who are working. Any men/women who are not in the workforce and not looking for work are not included in those calculations.

Look at this chart - https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat08.htm Find "Men, 16 years and over" and "35 hours or more" and it says "64,472" - i.e. there are 64 million men in the US working 35+ hours a week. Now, find the same statistic for women: "Women, 16 years and over" and "35 hours or more" and it says "47,214" - i.e. there are 47 million women in the US working 35+ hours a week. So, of the 111.7 million full-time workers, 58% are men, 42% women.

I'm sure that plenty of those women who aren't working full-time jobs are mothers (which is productive work, but not included in the employment statistics). And some of those women are working part-time (the same table shows 9.831 million part-time male workers vs 17.539 million part-time female workers).

Employment/Unemployment statistics are not what you should be looking at.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

When I was a young woman, my mother lectured me repeatedly on this topic, warning me that if I "let myself go," my new husband would cheat on me or divorce me, and it would be my own fault, and no one would feel sorry for me.

Which is what RP preaches.

But going forward, in the Western world at least, I think women will be much less concerned with pleasing (and manipulating) men in order to get what they need, because they will be increasing able to earn and achieve themselves, and will take that option.

Wager you are right. I also wager because of this women will have even less need for men while men's need for women be the same with men finding it a lot harder to date in the short term at least due to women demanding more from men. That said women are going to have more issues in the dating market.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how much that will trouble women, though? Traditionally women have needed a husband in order to have a home and family. Increasingly, that is no longer the case. Here in the working class, I think the process has been accelerated by the fact a lot of men are no longer capable of being providers. Left to shift for themselves, a lot of women have become single moms -- by choice or circumstance -- and live lives in which men are peripheral if not entirely absent. (Incidentally, I think a good argument could be made that this is actually the true "traditional" family structure and the "nuclear family" consisting of a man, one wife and their biological children is actually a fairly recent development.) I've known an awful lot of women who seem content with this arrangement and don't seem to make much of an effort to keep or secure a permanent male partner.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how much that will trouble women, though?

I wager a lot. As they want their cake and eat it as well and more and more they are realizing they can't and they aren't too happy about it. See the whole "where have the good men gone" and that "manchild" discussions going on. Women aren't taking to kindly to men not filling their gender roles. As women grown use to the privilege they had/have in relationships of not being the provider and they want to keep it that way.

I've known an awful lot of women who seem content with this arrangement and don't seem to make much of an effort to keep or secure a permanent male partner.

I can only imagine how their kids grow up to be like with a lack of a stable male role model around.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't remember the last time I heard a woman complain IRL about the shortage of "good men." The only women I've known who have had trouble finding partners were overweight and plain.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I only heard one woman complain about it. She's not bad looking by any means though she is very much conservative/traditional. She outright refuses to ask men out no matter what.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've known an awful lot of women who seem content with this arrangement and don't seem to make much of an effort to keep or secure a permanent male partner.

Sure. As long as a woman can extract child support from a man or men on pain on incarceration for failure to comply;

and as long as a woman can extract welfare, medical cards, and TANF from the government;

and as long as a woman can extract money and food from charities like churches and the Salvation Army, why not?

GUess where that money comes from ? It comes from ME and men like me, who pay the bulk of taxes and charitable donations from money WE MEN earn.

Women are still living off men, for free.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And they're living off childfree women such as myself, who have been net contributors to the system for decades.

Child support, at least, is avoidable ... don't breed 'em if you don't want to feed 'em!

[–]NeedingAdvice860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you paid attention AT ALL to the number of women who are on anti-depression medicine?

It has skyrocketed.

I suspect that this is going to be rollercoaster of social dynamics...as many women will indeed listen and follow the hollow advice you give about women not needing a man and not devoting hours to looking attractive....then they will discover what men have known or discovered....all the ones that ignored that message and are fit, attractive and womanly are getting all the high value guys while they are stuck with the losers munching on Doritos, playing Fortnite all weekend and being embarrassing man-children jackasses.

That will likely cause it to swing back the other way as is happening now on many college campuses outside of those dominated by SJW\extreme leftist philosophies and groups....college women are much more health and fitness conscience today than they were even a decade ago. I have helped train many of them in my spare time at the gym near a local college. They have no false illusions about what it takes to attract a stable high value and successful guy.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your observations are confirming what TRP says. Women find attractive only few men while the rest are good as providers. When women can provide for themselves, they rather stay single.

[–]DOSGAMESPaladin Ridding the Corruption5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Care to cite the peer reviewed studies and research?

Because I have yet to see anything that actually directly supports one of the RP tenets.

I’ve seen blogs - about news articles - about scientific papers - where through some twisted game of telephone the blog makes inaccurate claims about the actual research. I’ve seen studies on other animals and I’ve seen completely made-up rubbish.

WHERE is this science I see RP constantly talking about?

[–]LewisCross 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Tenets. TENETS. Not "tenants". TENETS.

RP is not a landlord and there are no "tenants".

TENETS. TENETS.

[–]DOSGAMESPaladin Ridding the Corruption0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay. Sorry for the typo. No need to be a spaz. I’ll update

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you. This is a particular beef I have here at PPD.

[–]MGTOWtoday-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I could post links, but you won’t read them. Instead I’ll just tell you what I do. I regularly read the scientific journal for EVP. It has free access. Google it, the link is ‘ “sage EVP” or something like that. Just read whatever papers there that spark your interest. You might be surprised by what you find. Let me put it this way: I never would have discovered this field of scientific inquiry if I hadn’t been exposed to TRP.

[–]DOSGAMESPaladin Ridding the Corruption2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Since you’re incapable or unwilling to produce actual scientific studies. Here’s one: 2005 Study by the National Bureau of Labor and Statistics. It positively correlates marriage and overall well-being. For both men and women.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w20794

I found your site as well.

This?

http://journals.sagepub.com/home

Lots of stuff here but since you’re the guru could you point to where the Red Pill stuff is? I’d like to read about how Dread game improves long term relationships.

Instead I see the #1 article for Men & Masculinity is: Misogyny in Rap Music: A Content Analysis of Prevalence and Meanings

Honestly sounds like you’ve cherry picked a few lines out of one of more studies then twisted them to support your ideology.

[–]MGTOWtoday0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, there's plenty of benefits to marriage, especially in old age. Particularly for women. But what this study doesn't look at is the high cost and damage done to men by divorce rape. So you gotta look at the full scope of the picture.

Like I said, just read it. I find several papers that support RP truths every month.

Here's just one example of how RP truths are based in scientific findings coming out of EVP. MGTOWs keep saying AWALT, in regards to women's hypergamy. And we have this: (warning, it's a long article, but well worth reading in full)

https://evolution-institute.org/on-common-criticisms-of-evolutionary-psychology/

I figured out that Dread game works wonders when I was in high school. The story is as old as time. Got a girlfriend, did my best to treat her like gold, she treated me like shit. I started treating her like shit and she started treating me like gold. I'd endlessly gave her the impression I was leaving her, and this kept her devoted to me. It worked like a charm. Hell, I even invented a made-up girlfriend I was seeing on the side. Gave her a name, let her know roughly where she lived, how much sex I was having with her, and it got my girlfriend to propose marriage.

Dread game is just a natural extension of women's hypergamy. Women look for relationships the same way they shop. They're always looking for the better deal. A woman will leave any man in a heartbeat if a higher quality male is available. Unlike men, women don't have a real sense of commitment and loyalty to their partners. So if a guy acts as if he can get a better deal relationship wise, the girl will think her guy is of higher value than she can get on her own merits, and will show her guy more commitment as a result. And that's all guys want. For women to have an ounce of integrity and loyalty. So men have to do this song and dance to get that from them. It works wonders. I've seen it first hand. I've lived it and experienced it.

[–]DOSGAMESPaladin Ridding the Corruption1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ugh, this will be my last response to you.

What you provided was a long form blog/research paper that is from a think-tank. The author is a psychology professor defending his discipline and claiming it as a ‘hard science’. Which sociologist and psychologist have been trying to argue for decades.

He makes 3 major claims:

  1. Evolutionary Psychology is a hard science that is key to understanding human kinship behavior.

  2. Men and women have different mating strategies that are biological driven which Post modernism/cultural relativism fails to completely explain. There are distinct sexes/genders that exist regardless of culture

  3. Women evaluate ‘status’ when choosing a mate. And tend to pick older men. Men select for youth and fertility. (Well duh)

There is actually potential insightful stuff there, but you didn’t bother providing what David P Schmitt specifically wrote that supports any of the more controversial ideas RP claims.

If you control+F you’ll notice he doesn’t even use the term ‘hypergamy’ or ‘divorce’ a single time. ‘Feminist’ is only used once.

There is nothing about Dread, AWALT, spinning plates, women are wonderful, the dark triad, divorce rape, and Chad isn’t even mentioned once.

You are too vested in your own dogma. Your personal anecdote on how it worked for you holds little weight.

[–]MGTOWtoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If this is your last response then why would I read your reply?

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is trying to turn everything in the world into nonsense - perfect.

Problem is, Red Pill, while understanding things quite well, suggests all the WRONG solutions when it comes to dealing with Hypergamy.

Neither side is truly equipped to deal effectively with reality.

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

What do you think are good/better solutions to dealing with the problems TRP finds?

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why, I'm so glad you asked that question.

Get yourself a latte and take a seat.

First of all, men need to take some responsibility for this hypergamy mess. Nature is indeed to blame, as are women, but here's where men keep the problem going - they continue to reward hypergamic women with sexual and romantic companionship, instead of saying "I see your hypergamy, now go away." TRP says we need to become the kind of man that hypergamic women want, which in turn feeds hypergamic women and encourages them to stay hypergamic.

"B-b-b-b-b-but I won't get laid" - that, again, is a weakness that men have and which leave them easy for women to exploit. This is men thinking with their gonads instead of their brains. The only thing men can do about hypergamic women is to avoid them, and if necessary accept that porn and video games is the reasonable alternative.

TRP says all women are like that - and first of all, if AWALT then refer to the above as to why. Second of all, it ain't true. All women aren't hypergamic. But since men have rewarded hypergamy with trying to satisfy hypergamy, non-hypergamic woman have become terribly rare, so yeah, in large parts of the country, AWALT. I didn't find a woman who Wasn't Like That until I was in my 30s. And yeah we're married with kids :P

Then there's the Patriarchal bullshit. Patriarchy came as a response to female hypergamy bullshit: the infantilization of women, and all that. Hypergamy is outdated, and so is Patriarchy. It's time to be more respectful of career women and independent women and let women have the same agency that men have. The Conservative cultural norm of pushing women to be homemakers is exactly the kind of environment where hypergamy thrives: because if she's a homemaker then the man needs to be an even stronger provider so they don't all wind up in the street. So yeah, she would need to be a gold digger then. But if she's got her own income? Well, then the pressure is a bit off of the guy.

I made a few old posts on Tumbler about all of this, which may need some updating in light of what I've learned since then, but still they're a good start: date this woman, not that one and don't be this kind of guy

[–]SerpentCypher1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This has always been my biggest problem with RP. They encourage and reward shitty behavior in women and then cry and complain that women are shitty. They have to accept their share of the blame but they will never admit to it.

Much like women that complain about "toxic masculinity" yet encourage and reward those behaviors in men by primarily fucking guys that exude those qualities.

Fighting against your base nature is hard I guess.

[–]LeJacquelope 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bingo! Take my upvote!

[–]DesignerDebates3 small children in a trench coat[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No circle jerking.

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

ok I understand the goal but I'm stuck at the B-b-b-b-b-but I won't get laid bit cause B-b-b-b-b-but I won't get laid ans that's quite important

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not at all important to women, though.

I think that's a strength that we need to adopt.

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So what?

And what do you mean it's a strength?

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a supply and demand thing. Women don't see sex as all that important. Which means they can and do use sex to manipulate men. That's a strength on their part. They place no value on that what men place high value.

If we find sex to be more worthless than not, that becomes a strength for us because women can't use it against us. Women's dependency upon sexual manipulation and sexual privilege is strong and terribly pervasive: take that element away and they're rendered rudderless for a whole generation, or even two generations.

[–]MGTOWtoday-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The first thing we need to do is place limits on women’s behavior via social pressure. Girls need to be raised and taught not to be greedy or manipulative.

[–]metaltriteMagenta Pill2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So did you just make a post to say facts don’t matter and anecdotal accounts matter more? Yeah, it’s a no from me, dawg.

Yes, I imagine you’ll say that’s not what you mean at all, but I can’t read this as anything but “forget your facts and research and listen to what others have lived through.”

I know terpers aren’t as objective as they like to claim and throw around a lot of generalizations, but empathizing with other’s experiences shouldn’t mean shit if they actually do have evidence to the contrary.

[–]NeedingAdvice863 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah we just had a case in the US where a whole host of people went around screaming "credible witness" as the cause belli to tarnish a man's entire life and destroy is career, accomplishment, reputation, family and legacy.

Ignore the FACTS that this "credible witness" could not state the when, where, how she got to the place or left nor would she specifying a time that the accusation happened (too easy to disprove if you state the time\date), erroneously claimed that she was too damaged to fly on an airplane (though at the exact time that her attorneys were releasing this info to their media she was on an airplane headed for New Hampshire having been traveling to various places for the past weeks), lied that she knew nothing about polygraph exams though she wrote a paper 4 years ago about how polygraphs could be impacted by physiological issues, no forget the facts or lack there of, one must emphasize and "believe" because it is her life experience\story and some people called her a "credible witness".....ahhbhahahahahhahh, not thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When did i ever say you should always forget facts? And I literally said for both sides..

Ur taking your own twist to my words. Clearly the exact point I made.

We are a group of people here. If u are so grounded in your facts, why are u here other than to hear others opinions and stories. If u are here jst to argue and prove ur right, then ok.

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[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Give a man a mask...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Some of you are straight men, an incel, a what ever piller. You will never know what it is like to be a woman.

As a low value man I can't afford empathy. There are plenty of woke men in position of power who perfectly understand your position.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do u consider urself a low value man?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unattractive face coupled with shortness.

[–]PieceBringerPurple Swag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was with you, until you said the worst empathy offenders are RP. It's like "We are supposed to do a little better but RPs are of course a little worse than we are, but we can still work this out". If you really wanted to get your point across, a more neutral position would be way more helpful and you wouldn't get the negative responses that you got.

All of this when most blues are disgusted by rp new comers trying to improve themselves and they are labeled as misogynistic, self entitled, low eq, social inept, etc. There's this unsaid thought on the blue side that the men who have to learn how to be better with woman shouldn't try at all because they are not worth it.

When I first started using this sub almost 3 years ago, my colour was red, I ended up changing in 2 weeks because I couldn't have a conversation without someone telling me, that I hate women and that I'm a terrible human being. So much for empathy... I guess.

Most of anecdotal evidence is ignored because what we as people say and what we do and think, is completely different. This is where the red pill mostly comes from.

I truly believe that women hate to see emotion in men, mostly because they don't understand it. They think men will show emotion like women do And when they don't, women get terrified and disgusted. I saw this happening time and time again, with friends or even myself. If it doesn't come from a place of strength women simply don't want to hear it.

If I as man read comments here sometimes by some old school RP posters and think "wow I used to respect you" when they post something vulnerable or how they were manipulated by women, I can imagine what women really think. By the way no men wants to feel pitied fot, I would rather have my dick cut off.

To get my point across I just fell for a girl who smokes, when smoking is one of my strongest deal breakers, and I would be really the loudest in my group of friends with this strong opinions but in the end of the day, I fell hard for her and what I had to say falls short now.

Something I really believe is that we can't be empathetic with everything, I can't really feel empathy with the concept of rape or sexual assault, not even a bit. You can think I'm a terrible person but I see rape the same way as I see kidnapping, I simply don't know anyone who has been raped or kidnapped. If it would happene to someone I love (mother, sister, etc), yes I would be angry, but until then is just kind of a myth for me. Plus since I'm a man I can't really relate at all, as a man I've been "sexual assaulted"(ass grabbing, etc), but I'm pretty sure I forgot about it the same night. I'm sure women feel the same way about terrible things men go through.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

empathy

fake news

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe here but its worth a shot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe here but its worth a shot.

So, basically this is another MMORPG-chat room discussion that is taking place on Reddit, and you're hoping to enlighten the ignorant masses.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

MMORPG?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks like I got this OP pegged correctly from the start.

Next step: the OP down votes me and says something snarky like, "I tried to educate you, but you don't want to be educated. Good day, sir."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound very jaded. No actually, I havent heard it, so im asking a question...

Are u not going to answer it to engage further?

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ-1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Nice try, but no.

A big wall of virtue signalling "I have a reasonable opinion" to all end up with "The most ignorant ppl here ive witnessed is RP" obviously biased bullshit.

bc of the lack of understanding and pure dismissal of lived experiences.

This is literally what everybody consistently do to each other here.

You can spew out your "research" but it means nothing to people with lived experience.

Someone's lived experienced means nothing. "I am the living proof you're wrong" is not a proof. You don't understand tendencies by watching the outliers, but researches can.

Women here probably went through some shit with men and it sucks aswell.

The usual misunderstanding is that men go through different problem than women. The reality is men usually have their own set of issues on top of usual female issues. A popular one is that men get rejected a lot then find a woman, while women find lot of bad men until they find a good one. In reality men get rejected a lot and then settle for the shitty options the woman would reject as bad partner.

Women simply have more Sexual Market Power and that's enough to summarize how shittier men have it in the sexual and relationship market. It is that simple.

U are speaking with women who aren't ur usual "Stacy's" bc im damn sure Stacy isn't on here debating with u - shes getting dicked down.

You think your average man is having issues with stacy? Your average man is having issuees with your average woman, that's what's happening.

Apply the same thought to speaking with the opposite gender of who u are actually trying to understand more.

That's not something to be told to RP seriously, lmao. RP actually is a bunch of feminized guys who have been told being a man is bad, that they had to adapt to women to get them. They actually spent their life trying to understand women.

The incentives for women to try and understand men are very scarce.

BTW this isn't a "we went through shit" subreddit, this is a debate about sexual dynamics.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

The incentives for women to try and understand men are very scarce.

I disagree with this. The incentives are actually pretty high ... pick a bad one and he's liable to cheat on you, abandoned you with a small child, even lose his shit and beat or kill you. Happens all the time.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Women's answer to that is vastly about manipulating the sexual market into making them over powerful rather than actually try and understand men, profile who they are, and give them what they want. Men's way of problem solving is adapt, women's way of problem solving is making the environment and others adapt for them.

This is how you get on one side Feminism, aimed at modifying society and moral, and on the other side, TRP, aimed at improving yourself and your understanding of women.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

women's way of problem solving is making the environment and others adapt for them.

This is because men held the power for so long. Women were forced to try to understand men and give them what they wanted in the past and it still did not work out for them. Of course, the answer should not be a power grab by women but rather open, honest communication between men and women like what is being done in this sub.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about social construct, I'm talking about natural incentives and behaviour.

Everything worked out for women perfectly fine in comparison of men.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Not really for women of the past. The female imperative was stifled for a long time due to patriarchical constructs, while the male imperative was not due to patriarchical constructs that either encouraged polygamy or that did not discourage male infidelity. With feminism, the female imperative is becoming paramount once again, and it’s up to men and women to communicate and compromise so that neither unrestricted hypergamy nor unrestricted polygamy exists as the norm, as neither is generally good for the other gender.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Female imperative was stifled for a long time due to men holding survival power and women having to manipulate men into sharing their resources.

Patriarchal constructs comes next as a societal adaptation to these natural gender roles that appeared through concurrent evolution of men and women. Not the other way around.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t matter how they originated. Women are obviously going to try to take some power when they can from a situation that did not benefit them in terms of personal freedoms and male behavior that ran counter to their own interests. Men not seeing why women would want this is an obstacle to dialogue between the genders, just as women not empathizing with men who are unable to fulfill their own sexual imperative at least partially by being able to have at least one partner is also an obstacle.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t matter how they originated.

It does because it is central in your argument.

Men don't see why women would want this because women are equal to men now in term of resource gathering.

Men are supposedly liberated nowadays because they have no provider role to hold and that sex is mostly non consequential and monogamy not needed. But no it actually made everything worse for men because women are having INCENTIVES which aren't SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS and these incentives push them to be lazy and picky.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Which incentives aren’t social constructs? Women are working more than ever before both in the workplace and in the household, so I’m not sure why you think that they are lazy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, it happens sometimes.

And women are taught from early ages all about men and what they're about. So if you haven't picked it up, that's on you.

As for men, no one teaches us shit. We're sent out there to fend for ourselves and it's sink or swim. If we make it we make it; if we don't, we drown.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are taught about men because we can get pregnant, so there are real consequences to a girl remaining naive. The stakes are a lot lower with boys, hence there is a less of an incentive.

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

More empathy would help no doubt, the problem is it just isn't the world we live in. Most people do not give a shit about a random person and their problems. They may feel empathy towards them, but most of the time it passes and they go on with their life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nope its not the world we live in but Reddit isn't the world we live in. People in real life don't have a platform to express the things said on here espcially not anonomsly to others. Its almost like a public diary of thoughts. If it wasn't, people would be making these posts on their FB for their friends and families to see.

I guess I miscalculated that majority of people on here are to jst disprove everything and not learn.

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What are you gonna learn for personal experiences?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To look at the world objectively and that not everyone fits ur experiences or view of the world.

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesn't matter if it's an insignificant amount of people though, and we can find it out if it is/isn't from stats.

Like if a load of studies say that 99% of people do x, it doesn't matter if some random 1000 people on the internet are in that 1% who don't

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep this x100. Nothing is going to change if there is not a significant people backing it.

[–]-radical-dreamerred .i.-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think understanding is a problem. Sure, some people are totally unaware and they could use it, but the problem is that often men and women have completely opposite goals. No amount of empathy or understanding will make a woman who wants commitment happy if her man is unwilling to commit or make beta bux happy that his gf/wife used to give alpha fucks more, while demanding less. Opposite to that, if man from my first example commits he won't be happy and woman won't be happy if she feels obligated to do more than she actually wants to.

Also, its not that all women fit red pill description perfectly, but taking into account costs of false positive vs false negative, it is reasonable to treat them all with caution.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So "not all women" would be unhelpful derailing here?

[–]-radical-dreamerred .i.-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't call it unhelpful derailing in a thread about how men and women don't understand/empathize with each other.

But I do think that women here (and elsewhere, if they hear about it) take AWALT out of context, literally and/or personally, which completely misses the point. It is heuristic. It isn't mean to explain ALL women, but it is useful as taking its advice will lead men to better outcomes than if they ignore it.

Also, I am willing to bet that confronted with it 9/10 women would deny it applies to them, while (at least from my observation) it applies to vast majority of women.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm a bit conflicted about all that. When guys say "we're not all like that" feminists lose their absolute shit, and it's maddeningly irrational when they do.

I tend to agree with you on the taking AWALT out of context thing, because what you say appeals to my emotions and my life experience too. Plus, you're right, 9/10 women will say "we're not all like that" when I'd say 9/10 of women ARE like that. Though I must also add, millennia of men letting women get away with being Like That made us men part of the problem, too.

But agreeing with you is still an emotional thing and not entirely a logical thing: I've seen a few women on here whom I could reasonably bet are not AWALT. But I know what it's like to say "damn you all" and then have to stop the mass condemnation train to let the rare unicorn pass, if that makes any sense. It's freaking hard to do.

[–]-radical-dreamerred .i.0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

As I said, not all woman are literally like that. I personally know at least half dozen women who aren't like that. I don't know how much of red pill you have read, but AWALT gets compared to treat all guns like they are loaded often. Sure, all guns aren't loaded, in fact, most guns aren't loaded, but if you treat them as such, you will avoid getting hurt or hurting others, so its a useful heuristic. Similarly, not all women are like that, but AWALT is still very useful heuristic. As for comparing it with feminist generalizations of men, I think while it is similar on the surface, there are some very important distinctions such as purpose of the message and intended audience.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Similarly, not all women are like that, but AWALT is still very useful heuristic.

It sure feels like it's useful. But then I don't see how that does not validate "not all MEN are like that, but AMALT is still very useful heuristic." And as a strong proponent of "not all men" it makes me feel like a hypocrite.

As for comparing it with feminist generalizations of men, I think while it is similar on the surface, there are some very important distinctions such as purpose of the message and intended audience.

I'd like to see the case for why those distinctions are in any way critical. From my perspective as a long time MRA and now an egalitarian, I don't see a lot of sunlight between the two.

[–]-radical-dreamerred .i.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if you look at purpose of Red Pill, it is by men, for men in order to give actionable advice in order for men to do better in existing world. It is locker room talk, if you will. Opposite to that, feminism is movement that tries to induce social change, their all men rantings have no purpose, other than to vent (or even worse, to change how laws and institutions treat men) and are published.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]RoyalAugur92-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

U are speaking with women who aren't ur usual "Stacy's" bc im damn sure Stacy isn't on here debating with u - shes getting dicked down.

Actually, she's probably gotten "dicked down" a lot less than you have. That's the way it works for women, after all - the more "high status" they are, the less dick they'll have to take. Now either you know this and are intentionally deceiving us, or your EQ isn't high as you thought.

Also, being thin-skinned and petty doesn't equal a high EQ.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually, she's probably gotten "dicked down" a lot less than you have. That's the way it works for women, after all - the more "high status" they are, the less dick they'll have to take

Hmm... probably not and if so, i couldn't really care less. High status is objective. Im not on the market so they arent comparible to me at all. In terms of relationship status, life status, financial status; any status a women wants to be at, im a pretty high status mother fucker. But clearly u care and thats truly unfortunate. Im not dating you so how is this revelent?
Hows ur success with women coming along?

Also, being thin-skinned and petty doesn't equal a high EQ.

Never said it was lmao.

[–]RoyalAugur920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

im a pretty high status mother fucker.

You're adorable.

Never said it was lmao.

But that is what you described lmao.

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