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CMVCMV: A Woman Is Foolish If She Squanders Her Youth Becoming "Good Wife Material" (self.PurplePillDebate)

submitted by EmoryUpton

Let us take it as an article of faith that for the purposes of this OP, I am NOT interested in what is good for men. For the purposes of this OP, I do not give a flying fuck about what is good for men, and I will not reply to any comments that talk about what is good for men. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS OP, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MEN.

Yesterday, some dude asked long-married merps what advice he would give them about considering marriage. Not surprisingly, several comments focused on how to pick a wife. Also not surprisingly, these comments emphasized what they call "wife material", which they are very careful to distinguish from "girlfriend material."

Let us look at a few of the things that are required for a woman to be "wife material:"

  • Good household management
  • Humility
  • Provides cash flow
  • Doesn't need to be entertained
  • Obedient
  • Goes about her work without supervision or much interaction

Don't get me wrong, many of these are characteristics that will help a woman in her own life. (Again, for the purposes of this OP, I don't care if they make life better for some man.) But what do they imply about what her husband expects from her?

He doesn't want to have to entertain her. He doesn't want to have to treat her like a girlfriend. He wants to treat her like a "wife." He wants her to contribute to the household finances while also being responsible for managing the household. He wants Ellen O'Hara, looking after infrastructure and administration and personnel, and believe it or not, the majority of women understand that this is what becoming a "wife" means, particularly after children.

But the message these guys are sending is "I got all my yayas out with my girlfriends. I took them to Venice; I skivved off my minimum-wage job for three days so we could fuck nonstop; I spent weeks stalking her favorite childhood book on eBay so I could give it to her for her birthday; I snuck her backstage during that show that I worked so we could make out on a catwalk; I got her initials tattooed on my shoulder (I'll get that removed, don't worry bb).

"But I'm more mature now. I understand the value of an obedient woman who doesn't require a lot of my attention and who is a good household manager. So I want to wife you up. I won't take you to Venice and I'm not getting any more tattoos and if you burst into tears in a restaurant because we're arguing, I'll roll my eyes and ask for the tab instead of ordering a split of Champagne and holding you while we wait for it to arrive. But you should be flattered. You should be honored. I did all those things for my girlfriends, but they're not the ones I'm asking to schedule my dry cleaning pickup and join the PTA."

No thinking woman would take that deal.


[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (72 children) | Copy Link

Good household management

Humility

Provides cash flow

Doesn't need to be entertained

Obedient

Goes about her work without supervision or much interaction

Damn, I want a wife!

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂9 points10 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

Some women know what’s up and are marrying themselves. I’m happy in my relationship but it does sound appealing 😂

[–]GridReXXit be like that10 points11 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Another article highlighted women who are choosing cohabitation.

One was two best friends one divorced one widowed I believe both had kids.

They asked why struggle alone when you can have a partner in the house and split rent? And who’s better at raising kids and keeping a home than another woman who also happens to be your best friend?

Sounds like /u/cxj ‘s female co-ops are happening.

Women will find a way !

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because women were not ‘meant’ to raise kids by themselves alone in a house. We have isolated the family unit. Instead of large extended families or community groups of unrelated families helping raise children people, mainly women, struggle to raise them alone.

In, say some African or Asian countries, when a woman gives birth she has a large support system of older and younger women to help her for years and years and she herself gave help when younger and will continue to do so.

Most Americans nowadays don’t want anyone helping unless they pay them directly. And certainly not disciplining them. Not MY child. Part of the issue is giving up the autonomy of the self sustaining family unit and letting other people in your business.

[–]GridReXXit be like that7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree. Children were never meant to be raised “alone.”

“It takes a village” is a thing. Everyone sort of chipped in and helped everyone.

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is great in theory. When my parents divorced and my grandfather died, my grandmother moved in and instead of helping, she acted like a needy child herself. And she's hardly the only one.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hell, why not marry that best friend? Go down to the courthouse for a marriage license. For tax purposes and power of attorney and all that stuff.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For tax purposes and power of attorney and all that stuff.

And the pussy of course.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they both aren’t straight. In that case it’s just a lesbian marriage.

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Lesbian couples are worse than single parents at raising children; it doesn't seem like these arrangements would produce outcomes that would be any better.

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They aren’t lesbians.

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say they were. I'm pointing out that there is a lot of overlapping variables between this, lesbians, and single mothers.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ahh okay.

I haven’t looked into the research between single mothers, single fathers, two hets, two lesbians, two gay men.

The scenario in the article was pretty copacetic.

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The scenario is certainly better than starvation. There can absolutely be economic reason for this, but it's probably not the best long term solution.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ll have to research stats on single mothers vs dual mothers.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’d bet my ass that all else equal dual mothers do better. Economies of scale plus family planning.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Source, plox? The studies I've seen place lesbian couples ahead of straight couples on child outcomes. This may have to do with the disparity in unwanted children, but I just don't know.

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This was it. If I recall correctly, you're thinking of an Australian study from 2015 which listed "diverse sexuality" as a positive outcome of lesbian parenting.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So many words. So boring. I got from the intro that the standard for the study you linked was "mother had a lesbian encounter", not "committed lesbian couple". A single mom who licked a pussy once is not the same as a woman and her wife.

I read about same-sex parenting outcomes probably 20 years ago, so I couldn't say what studies the article referenced.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I deadass see that as the future . I think we will both be happier for it because living with women sucks anyways and we men can form hunting tribes of our own and do badass shit instead of cleaning constantly but never good enough

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

😂

Works for me.

Come home for cuddles.

I only like roughing it 4% or the year.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ohhhhhh you think the cuddles are your ally, but you merely adopted the cuddles! u/hyperrreal and I were born into the cuddles, molded by them, and by the time we saw the woman she was nothing but frigid to us!!!!

🐕 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨 🐕

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Lmao if you actually think those cat owners are happy

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m a cat owner and happy 🤷‍♀️

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19933 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

lmao if you think they arent.

nothing beats good female friendship.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’d say that, ya prickly radfem.

[–]mwait0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 1993-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

rofl

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

ok Jezebel lmao

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ok, truedemocracy4 roflmao

[–]ffbtaw 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is the female analogue to sexbots.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I’d argue the female version of sexbots is still sexbots. I for one can’t wait to order my TurboChad5000.

[–]ffbtaw 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I suspect that sologamy (lol) will be far more popular among women and sex bots far more popular among men.

I haven't heard any cases of men 'marrying' themselves but I have heard stories of them 'marrying' sexbots, however I can't conceive of women doing the same.

[–]Teflon08196 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think a lot of the "sologamy" stuff is just a loophole women found to have weddings without all of the hassle of actual marriage.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I’d def marry myself but fuck the robot.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You ever heard of leather spinsters?

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“We’re not some kind of en masse movement of weird, narcissistic women,”

😂

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man25 points26 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Men: Captain of the household! Source of logic! Not bothered by pesky womanly emotions and feels! Built the economy without any help!

Also men: need help cooking spaghetti and doing their laundry

[–]platinummattagainNot All Redditors Are Like That5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You just learn that shit in 10 mins

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

  1. Women should be self sufficient managers of my home.

  2. Women should be obedient and hang on my every word, also not bother me much.

Yeah, lol. One cannot be obedient and accomplished manager of home simultaneously.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not with that attitude, you can't.

A good First Mate needs all of the skills of a Captain, because she may need to be the captain in an emergency. If you can't run the household without constant guidance from your Captain, you are useless.

If you are disobedient, you are worse than useless. If you can't grasp such a simple concept as obedience to your superiors combined with effective management of your subordinates, you have no value to any military, business, or family. Try and manage your cats.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck obedience. Give me a woman with agency. Bonus points for blunt.

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Management does not necessarily mean she is not being directed.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Directed by a guy that is completely clueless about how to run a household?

I have to instruct my husband on how to put laundry detergent in the wash he couldn't direct anything for the life of him.

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

When I direct a woman, I tell her what needs to be done in the big picture. I do not need to understand how to do every task, but it helps if I do; however, I do need to understand how everything fits together.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That kind of direction is basically feed me, pet me, praise me. Such wow much leadership. :D

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't value female validation. You may have a manchild.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Don’t logic women.

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How else will I piss them off?

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

someone on the internet said something wrong! must be because they're a woman!

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry. You must be retarded. You replied to the exchange:

Don't logic women.
|How else will I piss them off?

This was in direct response to a self-proclaimed woman, xKalisto. Nobody assumed she was a woman; she said she was. Also, she said shit that was so stupid no man would ever say it.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah well I'm not the one who produced a list of qualities for wife material that makes having a husband pointless endeavour. :P

Also the grand idea of directing woman appears to be 'big picture' of "do stuff to keep the house running". Gee, thanks for your wisdom master. <3

[–]321PK 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not to pry but is your name due to political affiliation or a abandonment? I jw

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Politics. I’m politically left but socially conservative. I hate when people associate red pill with republicans or loving trump or some shit. Trump is a bad businessman but excellent huckster IMO.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My mother is both of those things. They're not mutually exclusive.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Need help doing laundry, or can't be arsed? Women are the only reason "laundry" is a concept. Left to our own devices, we would all walk around in Crocs and a utility belt when it was warm enough. The belt would have a testicle sling in case we needed to run somewhere. Not yours, but most of them would.

We would cover ourselves in furs to stay warm, and we would never wash them. You get used to the smell, and who is there to impress?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Since you’re a woman let me help you with logic. =P

The two aren’t mutually exclusive in fact opposite of your faulty lady logic the two are complimentary! If men are busy inventing things and moving the economy, then household management is a poor use of their time. Because time is limited men can do more for the economy with a woman making spaghetti.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

im a dude, dude

im not convinced that men were so busy "inventing things and moving the economy" that the gender stereotype of women cooking and cleaning is justified. i think you in fact just validated the idea that women were oppressed into not participating in society.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao. I was only logic checking you, you dork. I was not taking a position. The fact that you confused that is amusing. Let me guess: if not a lady then a male feminist?

My personal take is that the work should be balanced according to productivity and passion. Every human that works or invents moves the economy.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If only Isaac Newton had spent more time on laundry, and less on creating calculus and the laws of motion, just imagine where we would be today.

If only the Wright Brothers had spent more time making spaghetti, and less inventing and testing heavier-than-air flying machines, just imagine where we would be today. Several hundred years away from landing on the fucking moon is where we would be.

[–]GridReXXit be like that5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

One of my gay male friends is considering getting a wife because thinks women are more reasonable when it comes to life planning.

Made me think damn I need a wife too. Men are shit :)

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg I can’t believe I went on protest marches and got bottles and shit thrown at me and beat up by a redneck for smugly taking a yes on 8 sticker off his truck all for this faggot to betray team man 😢

And how in the flying fuck could he possibly view women as more reasonable about life planning??!! What kind of men and women is he encountering

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That is interesting as fuck. Maybe he is going to marry a lesbian and they’ll have a lavender marriage for appearances and mutual support? That arrangement is rapidly going the way of the dodo. It was more common a generation or two ago.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My favorite old couple when i lived in New Orleans was a queer / beard combo. Both of them were inbred old family types who had been expected to marry. He was a former art fag partyboy who had stories about smuggling drugs into italy for david hockney. She was this super prim woman who had literally once considered becoming a nun and spent lots of time on historic preservation. They were always my favorite people at brunch.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He’s totally into marrying a beard who’s also using him as a beard.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lavender marriage! It’s not very common these days outside of traditional and religious communities in the West.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want one too!

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is funny because you've essentially outlined AF/BB, but switched the sexes:

I got all my yayas out with my girlfriends. I took them to Venice; I skivved off my minimum-wage job for three days so we could fuck nonstop

There's your alpha fucks.

But I'm more mature now. I understand the value of an obedient woman who doesn't require a lot of my attention and who is a good household manager. So I want to wife you up.

And there's, essentially, your beta bucks.

Sucks, don't it? I mean, who would ever want to settle for being your partner's comfortable choice? Isn't it disappointing that they gave their best years to someone else? Isn't it disheartening to know that they chose you because you were... safe?

No thinking woman would take that deal.

You said it. No man would take that deal either.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Au contraire, we are told ad nauseam in this very subreddit that there is no AF/BB for women, because men don't marry anybody for whom they are unwilling to do all the things they did for their girlfriends. Wives always get the best parts of men! No man has ever done anything for a girlfriend that he refuses to do for his wife!

who would ever want to settle for being your partner's comfortable choice?

I dispute that the situation outlined in the OP is the woman being the "comfortable choice." More like this kind of man has expectations for wifely behavior that he does not have of girlfriends. He doesn't give a flying fuck if his hot BPD girlfriend knows how to come up with a carpool schedule, and he will do just about any crazy thing that she demands because she is insanely good in the sack.

But his wife had better know how to do the carpool, because he sure as hell doesn't want to be bothered with it. And if she thinks that he will do half the crazy shit for her that he did for his BPD girlfriend, then she has another think coming.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Au contraire

Point immediately validated pack it up guys debates over.

[–]LowCredditRead the sidecar8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So instead of focusing on a life goal, you want to fuck off for 10 years making powerpoints for the patriarchy only to quit in your 30's, still have student debt, spend tens of thousands on fertility treatments, and/or drown yourself in recreational and prescribed drugs to take the pain away?

I can make straw men too?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Or, I dunno, maybe marry a guy who doesn't distinguish between "girlfriend material" and "wife material?"

[–]__Some_person__3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or, I dunno, maybe marry a guy who doesn't distinguish between "girlfriend material" and "wife material?"

What does that even mean. Everyone distinguishes between those things - including women. "Husband material" is a common phrase.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, and everybody knows that guys beam with pride when the hot blonde in their French section turns them down and then says, "But you'll totally find someone after we graduate. I mean, you'd be great husband material."

[–]__Some_person__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because being sought after as a husband is easier for men than being sought after for your physical appearance and the reverse for women. People like achieving harder things. Gives a sense of accomplishment.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well doesn’t that distinction sound like alpha fucks beta bucks!

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, why not? Just marry a fucking unicorn, if you can find one!

[–]SmurfESmurferson7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

slow clap

[–]gmanex4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Youth is a significant part of being any "material". Squander it, lose it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just about any woman who wants to get married can get married. No woman should settle for being treated like a "wife" as these guys characterize it.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What about the women on ForeverAlone, the disabled and disfigured ones? Many of them have never had any attention from any man in their entire lives.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Much like incels, having sex/a relationship will not solve their problems.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That really depends. In some cases it might, especially if they already have friends and the relationship is good. There is a difference between decent but very unattractive people and Elliot Rodger wannabes.

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But the message these guys are sending is

OK, so then just offer to be a good wife to not those guys

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Concur!

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That means it isn't necessarily foolish to squander her youth doing that...

[–]lalabats4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with this for the most part. Not much fun sitting on the side lines waiting while your future husband is wineing and dinning his gfs. I'm lucky, I got the best of both worlds. My Husband and I started dating in HS and have gotten the chance to experience all the GF/BF spontaneity as well as the inevitable slow down that comes with maturing and getting married. I got the 2 week trip to Europe, the tattoos, and now I gladly pick up his dry cleaning.

[–]jodykristina0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same! Best of both worlds!

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼27 points28 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

Yeah men don’t actually like wife material for long, if at all. I am shit at housework. I work too much and I am constantly in need of attention. But I am fuuunnn. I am gregarious. I got a tattoo of his name on my upper thigh. I did coke off his dick last week.

“Wife material” women get cheated on and disrespected and taken for granted. I get taken out in a red dress and sing Patsy Cline at karaoke and people buy him beers and we make out in the unisex stall.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1bute 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

The wife material women are the same one trps brag about plating and getting her to do his laundry and stuff like they pulled off a great con.

What’s funny is when it’s 3rd world women using him for a green card but that’s another post c

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

My favorite are the ones who go on and on about their sweet submissive Eastern European girl.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1bute 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m Eastern European; family is recent immigrants. My response to their claims is lolololol.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Submissive.

Eastern European.

Haha...pick one. :D

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I want to sit them down, buy them a drink, look deep into their eyes, and ask them just what is it about life in Eastern Europe over the past thousand years they think has selected for female submissiveness.

[–]Young_OryxPills are so last year2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being widowed young by alcoholic husbands! No, wait... surviving said alcoholic husbands! ...uh... braving the frigid winters and enduring horrific forms of government! Rampant government corruption!

... I got nothing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it was definitely the wars. Nothing selects for submission like having all the menfolk killed off every 30 years or so and being regarded by the conquerors as too subhuman to marry.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol. My stupid and pretty reductionist Slav fetish comes from the exact opposite stereotype.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In my whole life, I have only ever known one Eastern European woman who resembled that sweet submissive stereotype. She was my great aunt, and her gentleness and kindness meant that her husband spent their whole 60-year marriage taking ruthless advantage of her.

All the other women on that half of my family are great white sharks.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Omg omg So hilarious and apt. My longest girlfriend had a slavic surname that sounded like “shark” in part of it and it was totally her brand (got her a shark print pajama set etc).

Honestly i just associate Slavic girls as acing the trappings of conventional femininity style-wise but just actually telling you what exactly the fuck they want when they know it. That’s a feature.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what exactly the fuck they want when they know it

Yea, but only when we know it :(

[–]Young_OryxPills are so last year2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly i just associate Slavic girls as acing the trappings of conventional femininity style-wise but just actually telling you what exactly the fuck they want when they know it.

Damn straight.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Submissive until they throw a frying pan at your head

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dat ENFP lyfe

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It chose me! 🌈🍾🎉

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

y’all sound fun as hell

[–]concacanca2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Living the dream haha

[–]darla101 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can relate to this. Niiiiice.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

INTERNET HIGH FIVE

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Anyone that tells me they "make out" is 13.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

And anyone who thinks they’re too old for making out is a joyless skin tag of a human.

[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No shit. Wtf, no wonder these guys' wives won't fuck them

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My husband and I got a pretty good laugh out of this burn!

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

-edgy 13 year old girl

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not edgy, just correct.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Making out is fun during the early courtship phase , burns out quick.

See also: sex, life in general

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you recognize the stupidity of what you just said? If men want their wives to keep fucking them like they are in the honeymoon phase- KEEP DOING THE OTHER HONEYMOON SHIT YOU STUPID, STUPID FUCKS.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes!

"My wife doesn't fuck me like she did when we were 22!"

"Do you still seduce her and flirt with her like you did at 22?"

...

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My point is more that I don’t even care about boning, not that I expect her to do it with no foreplay

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

WELL NOW I AM JUST SAD FOR YOU INSTEAD OF MAD. 😞☹️😭

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was trying to find the ending to Charles bukowskis factotem to copy and paste but couldn’t

[–]Young_OryxPills are so last year1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

++ to all of this

[–]Rbot_ov3rl04d 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Husband material isnt treated much better.

[–]Young_OryxPills are so last year1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why you marry the fun ones, guy or girl. Let the husband and wife material marry each other and leave us out of it.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol wife material women do not suffer such a problem if they marry a beta (most men). Alphas will do that to any woman

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

betas are wonderful effect

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a rationalization way out of left field.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

?? It’s a pitch right down the center.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Provides cash flow

yet

Obedient

and

Doesn't need to be entertained

(Shark Tank voice) Too much bullshit for me...

I'm out.

[–]321PK 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy Link

What a drab, unimaginative, and uninspiring list. And they wonder why they’re unhappy. Provides cash flow? Lol. Doesn’t need to be entertained??? Right, right. They’ve got to “save time.” For what, I’m not sure.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

"NPC that holds down a job and coos during anal"

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Aaaaaand I have a new flair

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

<3

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How do I get flair.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The sidebar menu should have a button

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats a frighteningly accurate description of what they want.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

One of the rare funny TBP comments

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Since when am I blue????!!!! If I didn’t like you so much, I would say something extremely rude right now!

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Neg level: successful

[–]philomexaSUNFUCKER2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They’ve got to “save time.” For what, I’m not sure.

Their super duper fulfilling and important MAPs of course. 🙄

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Does anyone have a link to this prior post?

[–]321PK 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

About saving time? It’s not a particular post just a common need that’s often expressed in trp as a justification for employing one technique or another in order to hasten the end of their interactions with women.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh you know what, OP linked some comments in her post nvm.

[–]jingle_horeBlue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their other plates

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What I don't get is how obvious the answer is "be someone who is fun to around and find someone who you can tolerate living with". That's it! That's all you need! You don't need to be hopelessly in love 24/7 to make a marriage work! You just need to survive the shitty moments and enjoy the good times like it's 1999!

[–]ZodiacBrave98Open Hypergamy Triggers Me0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel this is disingenuous. That isn't nearly "all you need".

[–]mistercheeez-o____O-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. Neither would men be btw.

If you get this done at reasonable ages, you have the benefit of creating a healthy multigenerational family structure, and this is possibly the best contribution that you can make for yourself and for your children.

I think the more affluent, and intellectually inclined (often goes hand in hand) people in this modern cosmopolitan reality believe that because they do not profess this desire (explicitly), than it must be some kind of bi-product from an unenlightened and retrograde existence.

That is an assumption that provokes my eyes to roll. People can be dismally disconnected.

[–]DXBrigade1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess that's what you call a beta wife.

[–]bonusfruit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I would be the quintessential ho if I were female. Maximum amount of dick from the hottest possible guys while collecting free shit and attention from age 15 to 25. Then lock down a decent looking beta sucker for kids and resources while I'm still relatively hot. It's an easy life of pleasure and security. It is in no way shocking the women who can do this will do it

[–]peacockpartypantsI like popcorn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything about this post made me think of the following essay. If someone else already posted it, my apologies. Anyhoo.

I think some of you would love to read, if you're not familiar, the famous essay "I Want A Wife" by Judy Brady:

1- I belong to that classification of people known as wives. I am A Wife. And, not altogether incidentally, I am a mother.

2- Not too long ago a male friend of mine appeared on the scene fresh from a recent divorce. He had one child, who is, of course, with his ex-wife. He is looking for another wife. As I thought about him while I was ironing one evening, it suddenly occurred to me that 1, too, would like to have a wife. Why do I want a wife?

3- I would like to go back to school so that I can become economically independent, support myself, and, if need be, support those dependent upon me. I want a wife who will work and send me to school. And while I am going to school, I want a wife to take care of my children. I want a wife to keep track of the children's doctor and dentist appointments. And to keep track of mine, too. I want a wife to make sure my children eat properly and are kept clean. I want a wife who will wash the children's clothes and keep them mended. I want a wife who is a good nurturant attendant to my children, who arranges for their schooling, makes sure that they have an adequate social life with their peers, takes them to the park, the zoo, etc. I want a wife who takes care of the children when they are sick, a wife who arranges to be around when the children need special care, because, of course, I cannot miss classes at school. My wife must arrange to lose time at work and not lose the job. It may mean a small cut in my wife's income from time to time, but I guess I can tolerate that. Needless to say, my wife will arrange and pay for the care of the children while my wife is working.

4- I want a wife who will take care of my physical needs. I want a wife who will keep my house clean. A wife who will pick up after my children, a wife who will pick up after me. I want a wife who will keep my clothes clean, ironed, mended, replaced when need be, and who will see to it that my personal things are kept in their proper place so that I can find what I need the minute I need it. I want a wife who cooks the meals, a wife who is a good cook. I want a wife who will plan the menus, do the necessary grocery shopping, prepare the meals, serve them pleasantly, and then do the cleaning up while I do my studying. I want a wife who will care for me when I am sick and sympathize with my pain and loss of time from school. I want a wife to go along when our family takes a vacation so that someone can continue to care for me and my children when I need a rest and change of scene.

5- I want a wife who will not bother me with rambling complaints about a wife's duties. But I want a wife who will listen to me when I feel the need to explain a rather difficult point I have come across in my course studies. And I want a wife who will type my papers for me when I have written them.

6- I want a wife who will take care of the details of my social life. When my wife and I are invited out by my friends, I want a wife who will take care of the baby-sitting arrangements. When I meet people at school that I like and want to entertain, I want a wife who will have the house clean, will prepare a special meal, serve it to me and my friends, and not interrupt when I talk about things that interest me and my friends. I want a wife who will have arranged that the children are fed and ready for bed before my guests arrive so that the children do not bother us. I want a wife who takes care of the needs of my guests so that they feel comfortable, who makes sure that they have an ashtray, that they are passed the hors d'oeuvres, that they are offered a second helping of the food, that their wine glasses are replenished when necessary, that their coffee is served to them as they like it. And I want a wife who knows that sometimes I need a night out by myself.

7- I want a wife who is sensitive to my sexual needs, a wife who makes love passionately and eagerly when I feel like it, a wife who makes sure that I am satisfied. And, of course, I want a wife who will not demand sexual attention when I am not in the mood for it. I want a wife who assumes the complete responsibility for birth control, because I do not want more children. I want a wife who will remain sexually faithful to me so that I do not have to clutter up my intellectual life with jealousies. And I want a wife who understands that my sexual needs may entail more than strict adherence to monogamy. I must, after all, be able to relate to people as fully as possible.

8- If, by chance, I find another person more suitable as a wife than the wife I already have, I want the liberty to replace my present wife with another one. Naturally, I will expect a fresh, new life; my wife will take the children and be solely responsible for them so that I am left free.

9- When I am through with school and have a job, I want my wife to quit working and remain at home so that my wife can more fully and completely take care of a wife's duties.

10- My God, who wouldn't want a wife?

[–]CrestfallenWolf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If that's the deal then no shit it's a boring deal but still not a bad one. Once you get married the entire "deal" has no teeth. Don't have kids, don't Fuck him and don't work. What is he going to do? Either A; buckle down and try to please you by changing the deal, or B divorce you and you get a pay out. But if you think it's still a bad deal then don't do it. Your in the driver seat.

[–]washington_breadstixM'gtow1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I got all my yayas out with my girlfriends. I took them to Venice; I skivved off my minimum-wage job for three days so we could fuck nonstop

[...]

I did all those things for my girlfriends, but they're not the ones I'm asking to schedule my dry cleaning pickup and join the PTA."

What guy actually sends that message? There's a reason why the stereotypical dead bedroom situation involves the woman saying "I have a headache" every night and not the man. Men don't compromise on sexual attraction in LTRs the way women do. Men marry women they want to keep fucking.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and they think that marrying a woman means that they no longer have to do all that cool exciting stuff. Of course they still want the sex! But they think that marriage “purchases” all that sex indefinitely, whereas they had to do stuff to “earn” it with a girlfriend.

Wives DB their husbands because their husbands start treating them like meat holes after marriage, ignoring them all day except to discuss logistical arrangements and then wanting to re-enact a hucow scenario once the kids are in bed.

Edit: a word

[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Case in point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my God, a bunch of pretentious bullshit from sado. What a surprise.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wait wtf TRP men are talking about doing crazy romantic gestures for plates and girlfriends but not wives? Yes they are demanding about wives more than plates/gf but they aren’t doing crazy good shit for the plates either. This makes no sense

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Take it up with MRP, not me. I don’t make the news.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ohhhhhhh this is mrp ok. Idk much about them

[–]Uncommon_Sense_12345 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Forgot being a virgin makes for a better wife. As if she won't eventually catch on he is a lousy lover.

Didn't put this under automod since it's purge week but you basiscally summed up one of the more hypocritical areas of TRP/MRP forums.

That is why I have no problem telling women to marry the best and highest beta they can find. Don't marry a high beta LARPing alpha like the guys on the RP subs but one who has lots of beta comforts, money, and a backbone to give you that bearable hit of masculinity without being a dick.

It is in the woman's best LTR interest to avoid and not LTR with men you describe.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you! And I don't think that any woman would have a problem doing all this wife shit for a guy who is still interested in also treating her like he treated his girlfriends.

I don't even care if they want virgins, but they should align their expectations with reality and not be put out when a virgin declines her chance to become his legal drudge now that he has squandered his youth providing excitement and tingles to a rotating cast of girlfriends.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've gained a new perspective today thanks!

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As if she won't eventually catch on he is a lousy lover.

I don't know, women seem pretty fond of those

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

First off I'd like to know how any men are sending the message in the quoted material. Most men aren't sending that message; most men are saying

laissez le bon temps roulez (Let the good times roll, you uneducated fucks) and that's what we're doing now and let's keep on keeping on letting those good times roll and get hitched.

Most men aren't thinking all this fun wifey stuff and house stuff. They're thinking

"I like fucking this girl, I want to keep fucking this girl, and I don't want anyone else to fuck her".

Sure, men want wives to take care of shit around the house. But that's secondary to "marriage means sexytimes all the time, baby!"

It's the cognate to beta bux. We want a wife WHO IS ALSO hot, likes to fuck until we're both sore, and is cool most of the time. We just don't say all the "I wanna get married cuz I like fucking you, I want to keep fucking you, and I want to own you and keep you for my very own." Kind of like you all don't say "We want nice, kind, friendly nice guys WHO ALSO HAVE six pack abs, a six figure salary, is at least 6 feet tall, and has a tree trunk for a cock". The sexy alpha stuff is implied, just like we imply the sexy slut stuff.

Second: if she doesn't figure out how to be wife material when she's young, she's not gonna learn it when she's 35 and finally ready to "settle down" and try for kids (and yes, Emory, I know you had kids after age 40; most women don't and can't. Most women over 40 trying for kids get sorely disappointed, they can't get knocked up, the risk of birth defects goes way, WAY up after 35, and everyone know this to be the case).

And she won't be able to get the best man possible for herself. I don't give a flying fuck what women here say, I know what I see. as a general rule, the longer you wait to marry, the more limited your options will be, and the less chance you have of marrying a man who is a good fit for you AND whom you find sexually attractive. A man you want to live with whom you also want to fuck. Sorry, but time is NOT on your side; it's on men's side.

[–]legaladvicequest0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I fixed your last paragraph:

as a general rule, the longer you wait to marry, the more limited your options will be, and the less chance you have of marrying a spouse who is a good fit for you AND whom you find sexually attractive. A person you want to live with whom you also want to fuck. Sorry, but time is NOT on your side, man or woman.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, no.

Men and women are not equal.

[–]legaladvicequest1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A college athlete is gonna have better sexual selection than he would at 65 even if he attempts to maintain his fitness, fact.

[–]__Some_person__1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah dude at 65 all the other dudes are dead so you can slam that GILF pussy :D

[–]legaladvicequest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every time a man hits the wall, a new man turns 18.

[–]Redwingsllll 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

TLDR. Women can act however they want, dont get upset when men choose women to marry that have qualities they want in a partner instead of a used up whore.

[–]GridReXXit be like that7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Death to the ehoressssss

[–]321PK 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

used up whore.

Is that the only off ramp you can see?

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He actually believes half of the human species are only natural resources with a shelf life. That makes him beneath the “gold diggers” he probably hates; at least “gold diggers” acknowledge that the man has resources, not that he literally is a resource and nothing more.

[–]Redwingsllll 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Theres plently, I just dont feel like writing a comprehensive list and that's the most edgy one

[–]incelchad8 inches and thick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good men marry whores all the time. Its why all red pill wives are ugly as fuck

[–]PearsOfWrath1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely.

Women should get drilled by 50 dudes while pursuing communication degrees. They should then complain about wage gaps until the market bends to give them higher pay. Then they can find some beta to leech off of when they are 30+.

Sounds about perfect.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Am I the only one who doesn’t really get this post or how it relates to the subject line?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You want to spend years of your precious youth learning how to be an obedient employed home manager so you can marry some guy who has no intention of paying half the attention to you that he did to his hot and crazy ex-girlfriends? Good luck with that.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL unsurprisingly OP's response is likewise disjointed and doesn't relate to what I asked.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You didn’t actually ask anything, numbnuts. Run back to RPW, please. Loneliness_inc’s dick isn’t going to suck itself, you know.

[–]darla102 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you stay this version of you after purge week is over? This is hilarious.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would get banned. ☹️

[–]washington_breadstixM'gtow1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a shitty send-up of AF/BB that misses the point. You're not missing anything.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds good. The subject line makes the post look like it'll be interesting, but the post itself is confusing and doesn't seem to address the point.

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[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Depends on her end goals

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

"Marry a guy who doesn't treat me as a drudge."

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And wants to take you to Venice apparently

[–]Venicedreaming2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most people are in middle class and below... so I don’t see any one man being able to take his SO on a cross ocean trip at his own expense. Most couples share expenses like this for big trips. And honestly in real life most couples I know are quite normal and happy. Only online and TRP do I see such weird perceptions of relationships and genders

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right on. What does that have to do with Venice though?

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not that expensive to make trip to Venice on this side of ocean.

But don't. I hear Venice smells.

[–]Venicedreaming0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, those wishlist sound like they come from boys. This is a man’s compatibility list for a life partner: -Share basic and fundamental values (this can be religions, certain lifestyle choices, commitment to be parents, ect) -A partner who contribute equally to the household be it financial or domestic labors or a split of both -Healthy communication and intimacy

All the other bullshits are just that, bullshits. This is the only compatibility list you need in a life partner for both men and women. A list that comes from children will have much more nonsense Add-ons

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Foolish if she only cares about short-term gratification, which is all too common and encouraged. Although a couple of those bullet points are kind of iffy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS OP, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MEN

And

No thinking woman would take that deal.

Let me get this straight. You want to look at a relationship as an economic exchange without looking at what a man brings to the table? A motto I live by is take what you want and pay for it. You can't look at the cost of a thing while disregarding the value it brings and make an honest assessment of the value. In this case you can not talk about whether it's worth it to be married for a woman by only listing the potential cost to her without looking at what she gets out of the deal.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You want to look at a relationship as an economic exchange without looking at what a man brings to the table?

No, I want to look at what a woman gets out of this relationship. Complaints about men being expected to wife up banged-out whores are in strong supply on this subreddit; I do not want the discussion of this OP to devolve in that direction yet again.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not want the discussion of this OP to devolve in that direction yet again.

It's moderately funny when people subscribing to hypergamy/trp get uppity about the idea, but i suspect that's an evolved reaction as well. Hypergamy is there to ensure women have the best possible offspring genetically the invention of birth control doesn't change the billion years or so of evolution that has resulted in mankind so the behavior is still there if the results aren't. Monogamy is the attempt at securing resources and security for that offspring. The whole idea of slut shaming is just a social strategy monogamous folks employ to try and minimize the chance they will raise someone else's offspring. So to answer your question operating solely in the red pill framework a wife should put up with the demands a husband requires for security stability biologically and because the family unit (i.e. a female a male and however many children) is the most efficient means of producing viable well socialised offspring.

Furthermore social interaction has been linked to longer lifespans. Think of a small tribe. Physically past a certain age members of the tribe are not contributing resources. In a tribe of intelligent social animals like humans the older individuals contribute something very important: experience, and stability. That experience means more offspring survive thus rewarding the trait of longer life spans. In a non-social tribe where sufficient intelligence isn't there the older members are only a burden and subtract from the groups ability to raise young as resources are split among more mouths. In the second scenario it is to the advantage of the group to mature quickly and die young. The point of all of this is that social interactions are not a construct, they are a result of evolution and monogamy does provide a stabilizing force which aids in raising well balanced offspring and is therefore something we have preserved in our culture as tradition.

To address your overall view that it is foolish to spend youth becoming "good wife material" i would say its silly to act as though there is only one good reproductive strategy. You can feel free to do whatever makes you happy but as a general rule humans are much happier being apart of a large social hierarchy. A woman whom does not opt for the traditional monogamous reproductive strategy can easily find themselves alone and cut off as her friends do get tied down to family or even begin passing away and as she gets older and more alone it will be much harder to lead a fulfilling life. Ultimately people going down that path tend to die younger and lead emptier lives.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

What she gets out of the relationship is a man she's sexually attracted to and who supports her. And to get that, she needs to spend her time becoming wife material, so she can, you know, be a wife. The longer she spends being that banged out whore, the more difficult it is for her to find a man she can settle on. And the more time she spends getting banged out, the less time she spends on learning how to be a wife so as to snag that high value man.

[–]Young_Oryx 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if she doesn't need support and would rather sacrifice it for other traits?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok. Get a sexy man then. Easier to do when young.

Something you’re forgetting though is that most women want to stop working or cut back working when they have children. I can’t tell you how many young working women I have known who couldn’t wait to give it up once they got pregnant

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What she gets out of the relationship is a man she's sexually attracted to and who supports her.

And who has no intention of doing half the cool fun stuff for or with her that he did for his girlfriends.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure he does. Your hypothetical in no way represents real Life or how men think or approach marriage.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where did u get this wrong idea

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MRP.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, makes sense.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

HUAHAHHGLGLAHG dicksucking noises continue

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂😂 That's how you write that, never figured!

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

He wants her to contribute to the household finances while also being responsible for managing the household.

This is unreasonable?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Most women these days are of the opinion that it is unreasonable for both spouses to work 40-50 hours/week with the expectation that the woman be on the hook for everything at home, yes.

At the very least, it is not an expectation that will set a young woman aquiver with delighted anticipation for marriage to the guy who has that expectation.

[–]Tech_110011011 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My issue with the household work is a lot of feminist types seem to think that as they work, the housework is oppressive and not a womans job.

Ive nothing against housework personally (Im ex-forces and like my place to be neat and tidy), but as someone who works, I would rather split it.

If a woman thinks that housework is oppressive and a man can do it all, because of the Patriarchy, then I will next them and find a non feminist who believes in everyone doing their bit regardless of gender and oppression and is willing to split it in a way that suits timetables.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My issue with the household work is that if I'm pulling a 10-hour day, I don't want to come home and be on the hook for deciding what's for dinner, cooking it, tidying the downstairs, getting the kids bathed and in bed, renewing the car registration, running the laundry, hanging the laundry, and emptying the dishwasher while Mr. "I Married A Good Household Manager" fucks around with the rest of his trash-tier Overwatch buddies all evening long.

Most women know that this shit has to be done and they don't object to doing some of it themselves, or even most of it themselves. They do object to the expectation that they should be the person responsible for all of it.

[–]Tech_110011010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thats fair enough. But when I read feminists complaining about it, it isn't worded how you put it.

Even before I was in the Army, my parents always split it between them, and when I was a kid, cleaning the house and doing the gardening was how I earned my pocket money. So guess I have never actually seen a situation where these expectations are placed.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You either were blind or else had unusually egalitarian parents.

[–]Tech_110011010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both my parents worked, so they split everything between them. I actually assumed that was kind of normal. Except for the cooking, that was mostly done by my mum, but then me and my dad did the pots and washing/drying up after the meal.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If any woman actually works as many hours as her husband, okay. Bring that shit up. Explain how you put in as many hours at the office, while she pretends her three hours of laundry per week count the same as actual contributions.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You realize you are commenting in a subreddit full of breadwinner wives, correct?

[–]Ladyofblades3 points4 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

If she has a job this is a second job she isn’t getting paid for.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

And managing the transportation (i.e. cars) and physical plant (repairs and yard) is the guys second job.

Also, every time something especially hard needs to be done it usually becomes the guy's problem.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You know, I do all that stuff, too, and I would a million times rather be on the hook for the cars and the yard than for the cooking and cleaning. I have to cook dinner every goddamned day, sometimes two dinners, if Mr. Upton and I decide to eat late. The kitchen needs cleaning every goddamned day. I have to do at least one load of laundry every goddamned day, and sometimes two or three.

But the oil only needs changing once every few months, and there's nothing that I or anybody else can do to the lawn that will make it need mowing more than once a week. Even with two cars and a giant yard that originally benefited from the services of a full-time live-in gardener, I spend WAY less time on yard work and auto maintenance and DIY than I do on housework.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my god your yard is a dream can I build a little cottage and live there pls?

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a "you" problem. Go ahead and renegotiate with Mr. Upton, but leave us out of it. A load of laundry is about five minutes' work, and ninety minutes' watching TV. It's not actually work.

An hour of mowing the lawn, if you don't have a rider or a robot mower, is an hour of real work. An hour of laundry or dishes is an hour sitting on your ass in a comfy chair. One of these things is not like the other.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where did I say it was a problem or ask your advice, you illiterate dipshit?

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women never ask for advice because you all think you know everything already. Men don't give unsolicited advice because we think we know more; we just say whatever it takes to get you to shut the fuck up. It never works, but we try anyways.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your mouth noises are embarrassing you and you don’t even know it. Sad!

[–]darla100 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

omg your yard is gorgeous. How about if you just stop doing the chores? Let everything pile up. What would happen then?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Keepin' it real.

Also, sometimes it floods. And then all the crap is washed out of the woods and onto our lawn and Thing 2 has to rake it all up.

[–]darla100 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It sounds ridiculous but you’re going to miss all that plastic toddler crap one day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I am aware of that fact. That is why I have not thrown it all into recycling in a fit of rage.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You don't do repairs or mown the lawn daily. The "male jobs" are occasional things. They don't even open jars that often. Apples and oranges.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And they are labor intensive and time consuming and require heavy lifting and moving - things women just either cannot do or don't want to do.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Female mechanics exist. Sure women might find it harder but it’s rarely impossible.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure they exist. But that's not most women.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure but I got enough cash to call a repairman once in a while meanwhile most guys don't have enough money for daily services of a maid that will give them BJ with their toast.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's all about value. If "male jobs" are beyond your ability to accomplish, does it really matter how often you want them done? It's a thing you can't (or won't) do. It may be a thing you can do, but dont really want to. Doesn't matter. We're still better than you.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mowing lawn is not rocket science man. Doesn't make you a superior being lol.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You said "do repairs". You know, shit that you can't do. Without men, there would be no rocket science. Without men, women wouldn't even have houses to live in. You would be sleeping on the lawn, and it wouldn't even be mowed.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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