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World renown NYU professor is accused of sexually harassing a student leading to many famous feminists including Judith Butler to circulate a letter in her defense. More inside: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/nyregion/sexual-harassment-nyu-female-professor.html


[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 17[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just a reminder that circlejerking belongs under the AutoModerator.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The university has suspended Professor Ronell for the coming academic year.

So she be teaching no problem after her one year vacation as if nothing happened.

“We testify to the grace, the keen wit, and the intellectual commitment of Professor Ronell and ask that she be accorded the dignity rightly deserved by someone of her international standing and reputation,” the professors wrote.

Not shocking at all feminists defend her, but again its a female feminists so she goes inside the bus instead of under it. As we know when a woman sexually harasses a man its no biggie as after all women aren't a threat to men and we all know women have no power.

Professor Ronell and some who are backing her have tried to discredit her accuser in familiar ways, asking why he took so long to report, and why he seemed so intimate with Professor Ronell if he was, in fact, miserable. Maybe, Professor Ronell suggested, he was frustrated because he just wasn’t smart enough.

I wonder if any feminist will stand by this tactic which is so often done to women who come forward.

John Beckman, a spokesman for the university, wrote in a statement to The Times that N.Y.U. was “sympathetic” to what Mr. Reitman has been through.

She be back teaching alright at NYU.

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From the NY Slimes article:

Professor Ronell, 66, denied any harassment. “Our communications — which Reitman now claims constituted sexual harassment — were between two adults, a gay man and a queer woman, who share an Israeli heritage, as well as a penchant for florid and campy communications arising from our common academic backgrounds and sensibilities,” she wrote in a statement to The New York Times. “These communications were repeatedly invited, responded to and encouraged by him over a period of three years.”

Defense 1: The Kevin Spacey Defense. "I'm gay. He's gay. It's OK, because I am a member of a protected class. You cannot accuse me. HOMOPHOBE!!"

Defense 2: The God's Chosen People Defense. "I'm Jewish. I'm a member of ANOTHER protected class, and one that is rightly protected because of my class' persecution. You cannot accuse me. ANTI-SEMITE!"

Defense 3: The "it's our unique culture" defense. "It's just the way we queers talk to each other. You can't be expected to understand it. HOMOPHOBE!"

Defense 4: The "He/She Asked for It" defense. "Hey, he liked it. He invited it. He enjoyed this witty banter, this fun sexualized "back and forth".

All are defenses that are utterly and totally rejected when men offer them; and so should be rejected when women - particularly quite unappealing and gross women like Ms. Ronell - offer them.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You forgot the Academia protected class, they're getting as bad as the Catholic Church when it comes to circling the wagons around their own.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, you're right. The "we are in academia" defense.

"We are college professors and are learned in our disciplines. We exist on a higher intellectual plane than you hoi polloi proles down there on the ground. The world is different in our ivory towers and you cannot be expected to understand all the subtexts, which render what I did and said nonharassment."

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew11 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

and her defenses failed. she was suspended and a lawsuit against her is being filed

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Meh. She'll settle the suit for a little money (that NYU will pay) and be reinstated at full strength at the end of the suspension.

Any het man who did this would have his career completely destroyed.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

hey did you ever see the david mamet film "oleanna" you should

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

thought that was a stage play

I've heard of Disclosure with demi moore "harassing" Michael Douglas

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

it was a play, it was made into a film with william H macy. the film they made out of the book disclosure is too datedlooking to watch,but the book was interestng, its michael crichton

the dialogue in oleanna is amazing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are there any movies you haven't seen? The only movies you probably haven't seen would be anime furryporn haha

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i managed a boutique video store for like 6 years, we specialized in art, foreign, independent, underground, out of print and hard to get films. ive seen at least 20 silent films and was oddly a film major for one semester

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i have seen animated furry porn unfortunately. and hucow videos

i research everything

[–]darla100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of my high school friends was a nanny for David Mamet’s family. She got a small role in The Spanish Prisoner.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her suspension is a joke.

[–]321PK 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

These communications were repeatedly invited, responded to and encouraged by him over a period of three years.”

That’s pretty germane tho isn’t it? I’d say the same about girls who went to Harvey Weinstein’s hotel and were oh so shocked when he whipped it out. Bullshit.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The "he/she asked for it" defense is roundly rejected whenever any man offers it. It's considered self serving, sexist, dishonest, disingenuous, and just plain shitty whenever any man offers it, even when the facts clearly and unambiguously support it. Matt Lauer did not sexually harass Addie Zinone. She was a willing participant in sex with Lauer. She WANTED to have sex with Lauer. But he's a shitbag; while Ronell is defended to the hilt.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you mean Louis CK?

[–]321PK 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Any of them actually. You don’t go to men’s rooms and then act surprised they want sex. Duh.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men’s rooms are for having sex?

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think it's that they were surprised about the sex, it was more about a compelled quid pro quo. The Lewis CK women went to his room because that's the only place he would offer mentorship and advice.

[–]SerpentCypher51 points52 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Love how feminists are all "Listen and Believe" regarding sexual assault accusations, and how it goes out of the window when it comes to one of their own being accused.

I really do think it's pure solipsism when feminists accuse men of defending the accused just because they are men, because that is what they would, and do do in the same situation.

We saw this with Lena Dunham as well. "Believe women!" "What? My producer friend has been accused? Nooooo, I know him, that women is obviously lying."

[–]belletaco14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lena Dunham is so gross for doing that. (And other reasons, she’s a pretty horrible person)

[–]the_calibre_cat 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 17[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No circlejerking.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait you mean Lena "molested her sister" Dunham? That same woman?

[–]AllahHatesFagsBLACK PILL MOTHERFUCKER!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lena Dunham is a disgusting piece of shit.

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Mr. Reitman, who is now 34 and is a visiting fellow at Harvard, says that Professor Ronell kissed and touched him repeatedly, slept in his bed with him, required him to lie in her bed, held his hand, texted, emailed and called him constantly, and refused to work with him if he did not reciprocate. Mr. Reitman is gay and is now married to a man; Professor Ronell is a lesbian.

I mean what.

Edit;

The university, however, upheld Mr Reitman’s complaints of sexual harassment, although she was cleared of sexual assault, stalking and retaliation.

Idk, should have just been fired IMO. I get harassment doesn't usually constitute loss of job, but I think it should.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why should she have been fired? If he had raised a complaint about it while a student I doubt she would have been fired. Disciplined, sure.

I personally think the letter of recommendation is the key to this puzzle. I've read plenty and written a few and they are boring as fuck just confirming facts because you will get sued over them. I've actually never seen any of mine so I found that sort of odd that he knows anything about its content.

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think harassment of any kind, sexual or not in a professional environment towards a subordinate shows you are incapable of being in that position. Everyone sits around every year on ethics and compliance training of boringness which outlines appropriate behavior. I see a case for disciplinary where positions are a side step or no direct relationship to the roles, as the problem that you can not ever be certain a subordinate isn't just treading water hoping you stop in fear of being singled out for not going along with it or having a sense of humor do not exist when there is no direct professional implications. This responsibility is reflected in pay packets(or supposedly is).

This case particularly is strange. There seems to have been some sort of at least friendly relationship prior - It maybe that in the end he felt it was 'sucking up' and should have been better rewarded for it and he's just vindictive. However, there are several occurrences of messages from her to him about kissing him etc, yeah maybe just flamboyant in her mind, but inappropriate either way based on their positions. When someone says harassment, well then it defiantly is, regardless of her intentions we can not read minds, we can only read the text and it is right there. It will be outlined as such in some policy somewhere.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

tenure

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see you read the article. The fact this wasn't central to the article seems too PC for me. I feel like we aren't getting all the details here so that it can fit into a nice metoo frame.

Where does one place Lesbian Professor sexually harasses gay male student...who then MARRIES a gay male professor?

[–]theUnbannable1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just more evidence for the hypothesis that there's no such thing as real lesbians.

[–]AntwanAntoon 1 points [recovered]  (41 children) | Copy Link

She is not a real feminist.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.27 points28 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

There are different feminist camps and you can't lump all feminists together!

--feminists who refuse to criticize misbehavior by any feminist

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

That very much sums up the issue here. Feminists love to pull the feminism isn't a monolith card when it suits them. But never taking ownership when one of their own does bad.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

She did something that directly opposes the feminist platform. Why would it not be fair to say she isn’t a feminist? When John McCain said he supported gay marriage, Republicans said he isn’t a real republican because he was doing something that is opposite of what Republicans stand for. How is this any different?

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

because this lady was apparently well-respected in feminist circles up to this point.

john mccain has always been an annoying jackass and has been pissing off Republicans for 50+ years.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She did something that directly violates the platform. If a well known vegan ate meat, he wouldn’t be a vegan. If she did something unrelated to the feminist platform that was still immoral, like robbing a bank, and people tried to say that she wasn’t a feminist, your argument would have merit. But this is basically the equivalent of a nun praising Satan.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Just because one does something that goes against what they are for doesn't automatic make them not something they are still are.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

You can’t eat meat and still be a vegan bro.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

You are making zero sense.

[–]Crashlands 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy Link

Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it makes no sense bro

[–]FalseBed 1 points [recovered]  (14 children) | Copy Link

Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it makes sense to others.

[–]Crashlands 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

Yeaaaaah but trust me, it’s a pretty simple analogy. Sorry if it goes over your head, but most people are gonna get it.

[–]AllahHatesFagsBLACK PILL MOTHERFUCKER!-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They aren't even doing that, they are defending her and her feminazi credentials.

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There are different feminist camps and you can't lump all feminists together!

--feminists who refuse to criticize misbehavior by any feminist

To be fair, on news outlets I've read so far every self proclaiming feminist is calling Diane Davis a tit.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

To be extremely fair, at least as quoted in NYT (I have not read anything else) what she said was only that she's disturbed and disappointed that a feminist tool is taking down a feminist. Disturbed and disappointed are both pretty vague and could mean all sorts of things.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its very clear what is meant by being disturbed and disappointed that a feminist tool is used to take down a feminist. As its been pointed on this sub many times, feminists love to make others that being men held accountable for their actions but never hold other feminists accountable for their actions.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't see why a feminist can't be disappointed or disturbed at the actions of another feminist.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can be, but that isn't what is going on here and we both know it.

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Diane Davis, chair of the department of rhetoric at the University of Texas-Austin, who also signed the letter to the university supporting Professor Ronell

She is one of the group supporting Ronell via character witness.

“I am of course very supportive of what Title IX and the #MeToo movement are trying to do, of their efforts to confront and to prevent abuses, for which they also seek some sort of justice,” Professor Davis wrote in an email. “But it’s for that very reason that it’s so disappointing when this incredible energy for justice is twisted and turned against itself, which is what many of us believe is happening in this case.”

Dana Bolger is mentioned as a co founder of Title IX recently retweeted..

i reiterate that the most awful thing about this whole affair, which recall involves not just obvious abuse but also a fawning defense by butler & co., is the repeated insistence, by journalists and academics alike, that avital ronell is a feminist

and noted her own view in tweets..

Dana Bolger A few thoughts on this piece. First, it should go without saying that the quality of somebody's scholarship has absolutely nothing to do with whether they harass their students. Period. Second, there are many axes of power along which sexual harassment and violence occur, including but not exclusively gender The fact that men are more likely to harass women and gender nonconforming people doesn't mean that men don't, or shouldn't, fall within the law's protection. (Nor does it mean that the harassment they suffer isn't gendered!) Indeed, (some) feminist lawyers have long fought for the law to protect people who don't identify as women from harassment at work and at school. See e.g., @nwlc amicus brief in Oncale. Feminists aren't a monolith! And, frankly, Butler et al haven't been a part of the anti-violence movement in schools. Their position here shouldn't be attributed to every feminist everywhere, many of whom vehemently disagree with them. ‏

Certainly seems some disagreement in this area and calling out.

[–]TexasFactsBot7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only good bot.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Department of Rhetoric? WTF! The sooner the better for our college system to get dismantled and rebuilt.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh. I checked her Wikipedia page and her books and the lab she works with look very interesting... But also one of her books is "Reading Ronell" so they are probably very close acquaintances at least.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How bout we get rid of the department of rhetoric and a myriad of other departments like it and lower tuition so more kids can afford to go to college.

[–]boundarychimpsALL THE COLORS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Huh? Rhetoric is the original liberal art, and is rather important.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

While I'm a huge fan of Greek history I'm no fan of rhetoric in its modern format.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually think this is the correct answer. The metoo-feminists are of the horrid new wave of identity/transgender feminism. Those defending the professor seems to be old hags of the previous generation. Which have come to blows with the new generation many times already. German Greer has been completely banned I hear.

Anyway, lesbian professors, gay students, feminists, yap yap yap. To the lions with the lot of them.

[–]belletaco2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can still identify as feminists. I don’t agree with their position, but I don’t see how it’s related to feminism tbh. Just makes them shitty people.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

NAFALT!!!

[–]Lewd_Crude3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists say they believe in gender equality and I imagine most of them believe that they believe that... but that isn't the way the majority act. Modern day feminism isn't so much of a worldview or set of ideas. Sure it has a lexicon and opposing schools of thought etc but those are secondary and more of a form of intellectual masturbation than anything else. What defines feminism is it's push for gender supremacy. It's a tool to be molded, and adapted to the present situation to support women as a group or at the individual level.

It's not some grand conspiracy and I highly doubt the vast majority are even aware of its insidious nature. Feminists have changed the social narrative so much over the decades that it's perfectly normally to default to women are victims and men the perpetrators in any random situation. So it doesn't surprise me at all that some prominent members of the feminist movement are seemingly contradicting themselves on both victim blaming and always believing the victim. In reality they aren't contradicting themselves because feminism isn't a set of ideas, those ideas are just a sophisticated rationalization to make their actions palpable to themselves and to the public at large. It's a mask used to obfuscate a power grab and an expression of female solipism en masse.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

so she has some friends defending her, this isnt the same as feminism entirely turning a blind eye to it

she's acted in despicable ways and should be held accountable. she was in a position of power over a student and took advantage of that.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Reitman is gay and Ronell is a lesbian...How very bizarre. Like Metoo is going after its 'own'.

So then what? Not even men and women regardless of sexual orientation should be working together at all? That Karen Straughn chick had talked about the more equality we try to enforce the more unequal people seems to be. They actually segregate

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Ronell is queer and is just using the identity as a cover to excuse her degeneracy.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The Kevin Spacey defense: "I'm gay. He's gay. You cannot accuse me because I'm a protected class member. YOU HOMOPHOBE!!!"

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And how much attraction would you really expect between a gay man and a lesbian? That defense would likely not fly as well if the professor stood accused of harassing a woman.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't recall that "defense" being used by or for Spacey. *His* defense was that he didn't remember the incident because it was so long ago and he was blackout drunk, but everyone else, including the gay community, was pretty soundly on the side of the accuser. Unlike some of the other #timesup/#metoo scandals, that one wasn't really controversial.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Spacey did in fact use the "I'm gay" defense. At the end of explaining he didn't remember/was drunk, he said this:

"I have had relationships with both men and women. I have loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose now to live as a gay man."

This, from a world-famous and highly respected actor widely considered to be one of the best actors of his generation, who for more than a decade had refused to talk about his sexual orientation even when asked directly. It was only when he found himself accused of some pretty bad shit that he sought refuge in the gay community; and given the political and social climate Spacey fully expected them to leap to his defense BECAUSE of his (long suspected, long wouldn't own it, but now claimed expressly) sexual orientation.

It was rightly seen as a crass, craven move designed to say, essentially, "you cannot accuse me of wrongdoing. I'm a member of a protected class. Any accusations against me are homophobic in nature and therefore are not to be believed."

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah right, I forgot the "I'm coming out so you can't hit meee" shit. At least he was rightfully trounced for it.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which would have made a great read! Yet they added that detail and just moved on.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This comment doesn’t even make sense.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Dude is gay. Professor chick is lesbian. Metoo not compatible with gay man victim and lesbian 'aggressor'. More we try to be egalitarian more we actually become separate. To make more funny gay man marry gay professor dude like comedy movie.

All very strange.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It’s a power issue which has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

It’s only strange to you because you still think sexualll assault/harassment is about men being attracted to women and women taking advantage of that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

BS. Ronell MADE her sexual orientation part of the issue and raised it as a defense. It's therefore very relevant here.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It’s a power issue which has nothing to do with sexual orientation

Okay, lets go down your route. There's no evil heterosexual man that needs to check his white privilege.

It’s only strange to you because you still think sexualll assault/harassment is about men being attracted to women and women taking advantage of that.

Projecting much? No, I find it strange because its an article about a gay man being harassed by a lesbian. That's what the article reported and then glossed over.

If the sexual orientation has nothing to do with it, your words not mine, then why did NY Times find it important enough to bring it up?

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

why did NY Times find it important enough to bring it up?

It takes the "maybe they fucked and are jilted jealous lovers" drama off the table.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You mean they took the more probable answer off the table.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh. Honestly I think what's described is inappropriate for a mentor/mentee relationship but I don't think there's anything inherently gross about sharing a bed and being friendly or gross cheesy flirty banter. If they were peers and he wasn't forced to work with her, he shouldn't have had any problem telling her to stop being creepy if that's how he felt.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, honestly that seems... pretty likely, tbh.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s like you’re intentionally missing the point just so you can have an excuse to say “gay” and “lesbian” a dozen times, plus bonus for “white male privilege.”

Sexual harassment and assault are about power not sexual orientation. If you’re going to dispute that, step up your game and come with something better than this shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh so that's why Kevin Spacey's victims were girls as often as boys, because sexual orientation has nothing to do with sexual assault. I see.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol wut??

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go on

[–]poppy_blu 1 points [recovered]  (36 children) | Copy Link

But wait a minute, boys... what happened to “#metoo was about women trying to ruin men’s lives with false accusations! #metoo is a witch hunt!!”

About the only thing you’re consistent with is your hypocrisy.

[–]LewisCross 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy Link

"Hey, it's A-OK when a woman does it!"

The only hypocrite here is you.

Denounce Ronell's conduct, or you are a hypocrite.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Point out where I said it was ok.

Standard bullshit strawmanning from Lewis, as usual.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you or do you not denounce Ronell and her conduct?

[–]poppy_blu 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course I do. Sexual harassment is never OK. And if you can show one comment where i EVER suggested otherwise, link to it. Otherwise take your failed gotcha over to /wherethewhinymanchildrenare. Don’t forget to downvote my last 20 comments and report me on the way out.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your denunciation. Why did I have to ask the question directly to get you to state it clearly?

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 170 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No circlejerking and be civil.

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 17[M] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No personal attacks. Stop it.

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

so now it is a personal attack to criticize a general group of people? if so, this should get really interesting.

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 17[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You clearly did not see the comment and this has nothing to do with you. I would ask you to take it to the modmail, but you can not make your little spectacle there so I doubt you will. Bye.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Do gays in academia count as men?

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

If they are gay aren't they repressed minorities? He's literally a repressed minority being repressed by a repressed minority.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think the word you want is oppressed not repressed

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. She was a professor at NYU. Real "oppressed".

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Pointing out he mixed up the words. Did you bother to read the chain or just saw my name and decided to attack?

Christ you just love to read into things don’t you? You couldn’t actually find anyone here to defend this woman, so you get up my ass with your strawman bullshit. You’re tired.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

DO you or do you not denounce Ronell and her conduct? Yes or no?

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I already responded YES I DO but YOU reported it to get the mods to remove it so you can keep playing this childish game of putting words in my mouth.

Once and for all: of course I do. Sexual harassment is never OK.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone (not me) reported it to the mods because you just couldn't limit your answer to an affirmative or negative response, and you had to keep talking and get your personal attacks in.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously Lewis just do you and keep out of my hair. when you see a comment by me, just pass it by like I do yours. We never have to have another exchange with each other.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really!

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely write. She's a oppressed lesbian that loves this gay man, so she's not a repressed lesbian that has romantic heterosexual feelings for a beautiful Nimrod.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should write scripts for lifetime mvoies

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

thats my whole point. feminists dont treat men as men if they take cocks in the ass (rightfully so imo)

[–]poppy_blu 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

More man than a whole lot of “men” here

[–]BirdManBrrrr8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There it is, the "You're not a reeeeeeal man!" insult! Well done!

[–]Paranatural4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

More man than a whole lot of “men” here

Seriously? If you're going to say shit like this, then don't be surprised when people don't take anything you say seriously. Not because you're a woman, but because you use immature insults like this.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes but let’s take this seriously:

Do gays in academia count as men?

You guys still always act shocked when someone responds in kind.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not surprised at all, don't equate me with sissies affected by low level shaming. It's a serious question though, feminists treat gay men as an oppressed minority, not like us cis het penis oppressors, am I wrong?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

haha gotem

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I think she's guilty and I'm glad she was suspended. Mostly I'm mad at Judith Butler for defending her.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Right? Come on Judith, I trusted you...

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I find it hard to believe you are all this naive.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh? She’s an influential writer and philosopher who I’ve admired for a long time. Obviously she’s only human, but it’s disappointing when people you admire do shitty things or defend shitty behavior. Wouldn’t you be disappointed if you found out Jordan Peterson or whoever you’re into had defended an abuser or harasser? (Assuming he hasn’t already tbh)

[–]Young_OryxPills are so last year1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't read the article, and I'm not going to. I skimmed all the comments here and got the jist of what happened. I don't know what there is to discuss. It sounds like she was pretty clearly in the wrong.

News at 11: people of all professions and creeds can be immoral assholes.

[–]MattcwuJust sticking up for the oppressed and voiceless women2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think people are using this as evidence that many feminists do not believe in gender equality as a principle.

[–]DrippyskippyMonk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what happens when the shoe is on the other foot so to speak. A woman gets sexually harassed and you must believe her or you are victim blaming. If a woman is accused by a man, either it isn't true or "he probably liked it anyway". This is the general narrative of feminism and the wider public.

[–]yaseedog will hunt2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

top comments in r/GamerGhazi seem to be roundly condemning her. I think the average joe feminist reaction to this is probably a reasonable/consistent one. The people defending her seem to be her academic peers...similar to how other comedians and actors defended Louis CK

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The feminists with political power and media presence are different from the rank and file.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. My point was more that they're not only feminists (the people defending her); they're other scholars and philosophers and they may be circling the wagons on that basis as much as because she's a feminist and/or woman

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These people are like Paul Elam and the MRA leadership that forced me to switch to Egalitarianism: corrupt, hypocritical and only in the game to score political points against the other side.

[–]theUnbannable12 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well unfortunately the only ones that matter are her academic peers and others with similar levels of power in feminist circles. The only thing the rest can do is choose to disassociate themselves from the movement that is led by such awful people, and until they do they are a part of the problem.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

"the movement" being #me too, or feminism?

[–]theUnbannable10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

oh. I don't think the solution is to abandon feminism, but rather to strongly disavow the actions of those people (which many are doing)

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (73 children) | Copy Link

well, she sounds gross, and it sounds like she should receive punishment for her behavior regardless; even if they somehow prove that he was truly interested and encouraging it (which doesn’t sound super likely from the article), it was inappropriate either way.

i do look forward to reactions from the Team Man-ers that bleat on about how their outrage is about wanting justice in all cases like this and not just that they’re upset that a man is the target, though.

[–]sivariasMauve Dragovian16 points17 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

She got what amounts to due process.

She got a full 11 month title 9 investigation and was found guilty and suspended.

It's still stupid that title 9 is a thing. It needs to be criminal charges, but whatever.

What I find interesting are the "real" feminists saying that title 9 and me too is to stop male perpetrators only. Fun to finally have that out in the open.

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

i know; i read the article. when that happens to a man, though, the men and manospherians act like he’s been sentenced to public execution and talk about how unfair it all is for anyone to even investigate because of ~injustice~. i expect that act will be dropped this time now that a woman is the target, though.

i mean, just look. her suspension is being called a vacation while Chris Hardwick’s suspension was the crime of the century.

[–]sivariasMauve Dragovian10 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There are 3 primary issues.

1) Colleges aren't law courts, so title 9 needs to go. People need to be filing these reports with local police

2) Often for male perpetrators action is taken before there is even a verdict. Male students get suspended and pulled out of classes at the accusation stage, often failing classes due to lost work even if they get exonerated. Or even losing job offers due to the accusation. Essentially guilty until, or even in spite of, proven innocence.

3) In this case, the gross imbalance of punishment. She was suspended for a year. 2 terms. Then she comes back to teach more kids without punishment. A man in her shoes would have been fired and blacklisted. While at Oxford, a woman who tried to stab her boyfriend to death with a butcher knife was actually being considered being let back into the PhD program.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Title 9 does not need to go. Title 9 addresses a lot more than this. What needs to go is the provisions allowing colleges to operate their own extrajudicial gulags that let them circumvent Justice in favor of politics.

[–]sivariasMauve Dragovian5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What else does title 9 do?

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Prevents discrimination in access to education and quality of education, equal resources for boys and girls, protection from harassment.

Dude just google it.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

100% agree.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a crime is alleged in university or workplace setting , it needs to be handled like a crime committed anywhere else and be investigated, tried and prosecuted like a crime anywhere else.

[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

With the possible exception of the groping, nothing she did to him was criminal. Going to the police isn't an option because this wasn't a criminal case, it was a workplace harassment case, and the university is exactly who should have handled it.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

TBF men have been fired for groping.

[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Right, I'm not saying she shouldn't have been fired, frankly I think her punishment was far too light. I just take issue with the idea that these accusations should have been taken to the police when it was largely a matter of non-criminal workplace harassment.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Groping is a crime though. Assault.

[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and I specified in my first comment that that's the one accusation that actually is criminal.

[–]sivariasMauve Dragovian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm

The question is how isolated the comments are. But in general, yah.

There was also the question of sexual assault but that seems to have blown over.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Colleges aren't law courts, so title 9 needs to go.

Nope. The whole Dear Colleague Letters need to go which basically happen actually.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What I find interesting are the "real" feminists saying that title 9 and me too is to stop male perpetrators only. Fun to finally have that out in the open.

Probably because Dear Colleague Letters (which where created from Title IX) was solely aimed at men along with metoo. Feminists are actually getting up in arms over male college students using Title IX against them. Which is pretty awesome seeing feminists pushed for the law and its now being used against them.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What I find interesting are the feminists saying that title 9 and me too is to stop male perpetrators only. Fun to finally have that out in the open.

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[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its never been a secret that feminism is about women and for women, the concept that its not exists only in the minds and mouths of MRAs and dumb holes on Twox

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I don't think that's accurate and I understand why feminists like bell hooks tried to move past the structural antagonism of males vs females.

Personally, I just don't think men and women are able to perceive the world from the same perspectives so ultimately it's useful to have separate but allied movements. It's a sort of inherent contradiction in bell hooks work. I do think there's a unified struggle against oppression. Feminism is the female battalion.

[–]TedescheMRA5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i do look forward to reactions from the Team Man-ers that bleat on about how their outrage for this system is absolutely, solely about wanting justice and fairness and due process in all cases like this, and not just that they’re upset that a man is the target, though.

Alright, I’ll bite.

Obviously, “Team Man”ers are going to have a bias towards wanting to see this woman found guilty (which she was, in part) and punished, just as feminists display the opposite bias. To that end, debates about whether or not she’s getting just treatment will almost always be a bit corrupted.

I’ve been following this story for a while now, not terribly closely, but the major developments, since the accusation hit the media (before the letter, before the conclusion of the investigation).

I remember being pleased to see that there was an accusation against a feminist professor, as I think feminists project an air or moral superiority a lot of the time, and it’s nice to see that myth busted. It’s also nice to see a person, who in all likelihood supported the kangaroo court system mandated by Obama, get devoured by the same beast.

But man, oh man, seeing that letter was such a sweet cherry on top. It both confirmed my suspicions that feminists don’t want their own to be subject to the same system they’re forcing on everyone else, and put a number of top feminist academic names behind it, proving this hypocrisy isn’t limited to “fake” feminists, tumblrinas, the Twitter brigade, etc. It lies in the heart veins of feminist thought and leadership. The fact that they used the exact same arguments as tbose who have defended male accuseds in the past made it that much better.

That, of course, left me very concerned about what the school’s finding would be. I remember making a few comments on r/mensrights, cautioning other MRAs and reminding them that due process was what mattered, but I won’t deny I wanted the result to be a guilty finding, even though I had no access to the information about the case. Admitting your own bias is important, and the first step in defending yourself from it.

So, as I understand it, she was found guilty of harassment on some of the charges, but not all. That’s an “acceptable” finding as far as my bias is concerned.

However—and here’s where I think we can get away from bias a little bit—from what I know of cases in which male teachers have been accused, suspension is not the typical punishment; termination is. So, my question is: why just a suspension? Obviously, my bias leads me to think that a gender and possibly even political double-standard is responsible. Had this been a non-feminist man, I suspect he’d be out of a job, and possibly unemployable now. To the extent that the data support that belief, I think it’s pretty indefensible that this woman be given a mere suspension.

Anyway, I hope there are more cases like this. The only way the Far Left will return to sanity on this issue is when their heroes and icons start getting consumed by the blaze they started.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It both confirmed my suspicions that feminists don’t want their own to be subject to the same system they’re forcing on everyone else

There's plenty out there that shows feminists don't want the same rules/laws applied to them that they want applied to men.

So, my question is: why just a suspension?

You know the answer. I give you a hint it has to do with her gender.

I hope there are more cases like this.

There will be and you are going to see male victims getting the same sort of treatment female victims do besides the sort of treatment male victims get for being male victims of sexual assault/harassment. By that I mean people think they can't be victims or they wanted it or what have you.

The only way the Far Left will return to sanity on this issue is when their heroes and icons start getting consumed by the blaze they started.

Its not just the far left but the left itself really. That said there's no returning to sanity here for them. As they are going to double down. You also have to keep in mind the liberal media isn't going to invoke a mob here, but in fact going to keep it quiet.

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Alright, I’ll bite.

you don't need to; this isn't something i'm putting forth to be challenged or "bitten", it's what happens here, and it already did.

[–]TedescheMRA3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I took it as an implicit challenge for people to check their biases. A good practice, even if it wasn't your intention to make.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

i do look forward to reactions from the Team Man-ers that bleat on about how their outrage is absolutely, solely about wanting justice and fairness in all cases like this and not just that they’re upset that a man is the target, though.

I look forward to this almost as much as I do people who predict outrage in a bid to mock others in a failed attempt to score smartypants points.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

And I look forward to feminists either defending her or remain quiet on this. Further showing the double standard here in feminists not calling out women and that feminists who sexually target men.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not looking forward to anything. mods are just going pull the thread.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hush you they are sleeping.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I look forward to feminists either defending her or remain quiet on this.

That hasn't happened tho, aside from a few of her academic peers. Certainly not in this thread.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

remain quiet on this

This has in fact happened.

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (30 children) | Copy Link

🤷‍♀️ you guys are transparent and predictable. don’t like it? don’t be it.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think so. It’s pretty damaging to the claim of moral superiority these academic feminists stand on.

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

great, maybe OP can go throw this article in their faces instead.

[–]Mr_Smoogs 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

OP doesn’t have to do anything to protect your feelings. This damage to the academic feminists’ claims of moral superiority is worthy of discussion here.

I’m sure OP will write a strongly worded email if you copy and paste your whiny comment one more time lol

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

if this is your great counter-response... please just go away.

[–]Mr_Smoogs 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop taking it so personal. We'll work through this and our relationship with be stronger on the other side.

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 17[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil. Final warning.

[–]DesignerDebates3 small children in a trench coat[M] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree. It's the specific hypocrisy. These aren't the uneducated tumblr mobs.

[–]alcockell0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is precisely the scenario Michael Crichton tracked in Disclosure...

[–]belletaco4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Nope, that’s pretty much exactly the point of the post. Everything bad a woman does = “fEminiStS arE bAd” even when the issue at hand has nothing to do with feminism. Such as this case.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew13 points14 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Can you really say feminists rallying to the defense of a world famous feminist who has become hoist in the petard of a feminist created sexual harrassment system has nothing to do with feminism?

[–]belletaco1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Not in the way that that OP or most people on here are talking about it. What she did is hypocritical, but I don't think it works as the 'gotcha feminists!' everyone in this post is salivating over.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Just wondering, in what way do you think the issue is relevant to feminism?

[–]belletaco2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

In that it involves someone who is a prominent feminist. To me, this is not really relevant to the movement at all. I can see why people would disagree with me, but maybe because I personally identify as a feminist, yet don't really care for people who are considered feminist scholars~ because most of them are full of shit. Male sexual harassment is not necessarily a feminist issue. I don't know why people think or say it is.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why people think or say it is.

Maybe because you feminists say all the time feminism is about gender equality not about women's equality.

[–]belletaco1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It's about gender equality... for women. I'm not pro-male harassment, I think it's horrible when anyone violates another person's space. However, that's not a feminist issue, it's my own personal morality.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To me, this is not really relevant to the movement at all.

How could sexual harassment not be relevant to the feminist movement? It's a huge issue among them.

You cannot be a feminist and sexually harass anyone. The hypocrisy undermines your stance on the issue.

Male sexual harassment is not necessarily a feminist issue. I don't know why people think or say it is.

Feminists have not stopped reminding men about their oppressive nature. Sexual harassment among those behaviours they deem toxic. This is a feminist issue. But when they engage in the behavior they deem toxic it undermines their moral stance.

They call men rapists and warn women against the dangers of men, specifically. Even title IX cases at universities are primarily for women's protection. How in the world can you claim this is not a feminist issue when feminism is in the middle of it? The male gaze, sexual harassment at work, affirmative consent...these are feminist terms about sexual harassment.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Not All Men" = unhelpful but now "NAFALT" is valid?

[–]belletaco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all women are feminists was more my point and even if they are, it's not typically relevant.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you guys are transparent and predictable. don’t like it? don’t be it.

How is this an actual criticism on the issue and not smugly sniping at people you don't like?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I take it you didn't read the article? They found her at fault and slap her wrist. All she is getting is a year vacation.

[–]hiso_hiso 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

i know; i read the article, i am in agreement with her receiving punishment, though i think she should have just been fired for her behavior.

when that happens to a man, though, the men and manospherians act like he’s been sentenced to public execution and talk about how unfair it all is for anyone to even investigate because of ~injustice~. i expect that act will be dropped this time now that a woman is the target, though.

i mean, just look. her suspension is being called a vacation while Chris Hardwick’s suspension was the crime of the century.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

when that happens to a man, though, the men and manospherians act like he’s been sentenced to public execution and talk about how unfair it all is for anyone to even investigate because of ~injustice~. i expect that act will be dropped this time now that a woman is the target, though.

There's no act here though as there's very much a double standard here. As here you have a woman that was found "guilty" under Title IX violations and was suspended. Where as ever time a female college student accused a male student he likely got expelled and not allowed to return to the college. See the injustice here? Its a well known fact that women and men are not given the same punishment for the same crime.

her suspension is being called a vacation while Chris Hardwick’s suspension was the crime of the century.

Who is saying his suspension was the crime of the century?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Employees are not students. Employees and students are governed by different laws and different policies.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Employee's aren't students but if employees are subjected to Title IX then I would think similar rules apply to them then. Meaning here the professor should been fired much like how a student would be expelled.

[–]the_calibre_cat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

when that happens to a man, though, the men and manospherians act like he’s been sentenced to public execution and talk about how unfair it all is for anyone to even investigate because of ~injustice~.

cuz a man in the same position gets fucking fired

cue the bleating about not all feminists and how it's all about equality and oh but feminism is for men too - bullshit, you're damn right they're delighted that this is a woman who just got (very gently) title ix'd, they should be, the system isn't designed to be fair it's specifically a gender biased system. And now, that's up for everyone to see, as if it wasn't fucking obvious before.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of us want nothing to do with either extreme. Chris Hardwick got less than what he deserved. So did this professor.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Richard Feynman was notorious for being flamboyant and sleeping with his students. Erwin Schrödinger had multiple mistresses. Among his students also. Einstein was something of a womanizer too. And so on. I wonder if many of the greatest minds of history could even exist on US universities today. And what the current repressive climate is doing to creativity and scientific progress.

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i do look forward to reactions from the Team Man-ers that bleat on about how their outrage for this system is absolutely, solely about wanting justice and fairness and due process in all cases like this, and not just that they’re upset that a man is the target, though.

I would like justice and due process and appropriate punishments after those avenues have been employed. I would like those things over, say, mob "justice" awarded after mere accusations.

Since we're okay with the latter, however, fight fire with fire, I say. James Gunn was a tragic casualty and is probably a decent human being who didn't deserve to be fired... buuut it want the people that got him fired who started the antics of coming through people's social media histories, lifting one bad thing that they said, and ruining their lives over it.

Play stupid games, won stupid prizes.

[–]LewisCross 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for that, um, "full throated" and "vigorous" denunciation of Ronell's conduct. Essentially "punish her, but MEN ARE SO BAD!!!"

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shes been suspended and is being sued

[–]RoyalAugur921 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just her luck; she managed to find the one Chad on campus who wasn't DTF...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She shouldn't have done that, and I have no sympathy for her and the life ruining consequences and publicity that are coming her way.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to wonder why so many people push these idiotic gender-war agendas (both here and those feminists in the article).

Some serious butthurt, I'd imagine, over what someone of the opposite gender did to them in the past. I can understanding holding grudges and seeking revenge against individuals, but against an entire gender? Pathetic.

One thing that doesn't make sense, though: why didn't the guy just voice-record her actual sex talk on his phone if it happened over and over?

[–]LeJacquelope 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

ROTFLMAO come on, people, you expected feminists to act differently?

[–]DesignerDebates3 small children in a trench coat[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Circle jerking belongs under the automod.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yoiks. Gross. Glad she got suspended. It seems like the university responded appropriately though, so that's good.

And re: "Why is #metoo only valid when men are doing the harassing??" It's not. This woman deserves every bit of punishment she gets, and the people defending her are complicit in her behavior. Hypocrisy is a human universal. It's disappointing when people whose views you otherwise respect do smarmy shit like this, but it's important not to let tribalism get in the way of standing up for what's right. It's pretty much inevitable that someone on "your side" is going to do something shitty at some point, so it's important to remember your values and not defend the indefensible just because the perp is "your guy." So, for everyone shitting their pants over this: Remember that feeling next time a "family values" politician is accused assaulting an underaged girl, or when any number of other allegations are brought against men in positions of power who are defended by their peers and supporters. Maybe think about standing up against bad behavior instead of immediately jumping to "the accuser is a lying whore, or was using sex to get ahead in her career, or is trying to ruin an innocent man's life, etc etc etc."

[–]MattcwuJust sticking up for the oppressed and voiceless women0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

These were two adults and no violence was used. Whether it's a he or a she, the alleged victim just needs to get over it. Positions of power don't matter in this case.

[–]frankcastlesteinEgalitarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Diane Davis said she and her colleagues were particularly disturbed that, as they saw it, Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist." So as I read it its ok when we do it but bad when you do it, fuck you for expecting fair treatment.

[–]passepar2t0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by her defenders. People are intensely tribal, especially feminist philosophy profs who teach at schools like NYU. The tribe will defend its own, even if it violates their alleged core beliefs. Yes, we caught them being hypocrites, but then we already knew they were hypocrites.

She should at least be fired.

[–]AllahHatesFagsBLACK PILL MOTHERFUCKER!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you reversed the genders the professor would have been fired, not suspended and none of these feminists would be writing letters defending them. It shouldn't surprise anyone that feminists are hypocrites and that poundmetoo is just a witch hunt on men.

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“Nimrod?” Really??

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nimrod was a great biblical hunter. It seems to have become an insult via sardonic overuse.

[–]MealReadytoEat_Purple Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is completely due to Bugs Bunny calling Elmer Fud Nimrod by the way.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I thought I was the only one lol at that

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Apparently there are a lot of dudes named Nimrod on Reddit!! 😂

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nimrod in the 80s was slang for dork or loser. the fact that parents who lived through that era chose to name their kid that just shows some people shouldn’t be parents.

Tbf though I guess his parents could be immigrants.

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[–]concacanca3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

ITT: feminists claiming she's not a real feminist (except one who will try and derail the conversation by trying to get people to define every word in the article)

Realistically this is just phase one of this story. If there is a sudden social media barracking then things might change. I'm pretty sure most of these cases don't result in all that much action off the back of the accusation alone, no matter what the sex of the perp.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There was no "accusation alone", there was a title 9 hearing in which she was found to have engaged in sexual harrassment (which is civil, not criminal), proper disciplinary action is being taken against her (suspension) by the employer and the victim is preparing a lawsuit against NYU and her.

Title 9 hearings arent criminal and no criminal charges have been filed by anyone. "Phase 2" will be the lawsuit in actual court, title 9 cases are campus disciplinary hearings

[–]concacanca0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Which is great but fails to grasp my point.

Climbdowns are forced by threats to reputation. These days thats a massive social media backlash. Look at the way the British government is getting shit on right now by the way they are attempting to persecute cyclists for example.

[–]lefactorybebe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oooh I'm interested, what are they doing with cyclists? Those fuckers ride all over my tiny, windy, hilly roads and ignore all traffic laws.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok yeah

[–]passepar2t-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ITT: yes, what she did was wrong, but you manospherians are also wrong, because of the ~tone~ that you took while condemning her!

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Was gonna comment "lucky dude" but then looked up the professor's picture yuckkkk

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