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Not full on hate .....just mild contempt mixed with a lack of respect. (no bitterness )

How do i know this?

couple months ago in another thread i saw this advice

Its simple, nerdy guys with no social skills should personally seek advice from approachable guys they see or know.

If you see or know a friendly guy, who is very confident, but kind and good looking enough to attract women... go ask him for advice.

So if followed it.

I made friends with three guys. And asked them about women.

The guy who owns the gym I go to.

This guy in my class women drool over

The guy who runs the kick boxing club.

Their views on women are not positive to say the least.

In short ...they've seen some shit.

All three of them have experiences with women cheating with them ...then going straight to their boyfriends later in the day.

All three of them say women are not to be trusted.

All three are annoyed when sluts put up a "good girl" front for her friends and boyfriends.

All three of them are surprisingly basically mgtow.

They'll often tell women to leave them alone when pursing bodybuilding . money or training.

They've seen the worst of women and no longer see the point of them besides sexual release.

But of course they don't tell the women they are banging what they think of them

anyway this is just my anecdotal experience.

hoping for a discussion about what men who do well with women really think of them


[–]Poster515 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Many women are drawn to men who don't want them or men they can't have. A lot of these men project a selfish or arrogant aura that as someone already said can be misinterpreted as misogyny, a word that is thrown around more often than it should. More likely rather than actually disliking or hating women, the men hold redpilled beliefs about the reality of women and dating that come across as of a devil-may-care I-want-you-but-I-don't-need-you nature.

All in all, misogyny is definitely not a requirement for success with women if the man has sufficient SMV, social competence and awareness. But misogyny has also rarely hurt a man with the aforementioned traits. This is all before considering there is a small but significant subset of women actively and exclusively attracted to assholes.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

A lot of women are not taught how to have self value - and so they need a man to validate their values.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. But that's not men's fault, nor is it "misogynist" that women are in that predicament (usually by their own hands, a situation of their own creation), nor is it "misogynist" that men realize this about some women and capitalize on it.

That's a women problem, that's a woman's parents problem, not a man problem.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of women are not taught how to have self value - and so they need a man to validate their values.

So what?

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the men hold redpilled beliefs

a.k.a. "misogyny" according to BPers.

[–]WWbowieD7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've slept with some real assholes cheating on their girlfriends with me and just treating women with general disrespect disguised as joking around. And I wanted them more even though I knew they were awful and was disgusted with myself for it! I think it's evolutionary. Assholes can be confident and strong and therefore good providers and my evolutionary response was to want to fuck them and be nice to them but stay at a distance.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew66 points67 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have never met a man who was "good with women" in my life who wasnt "misogynistic" in this sense nor who wasnt naturally RP from experience

[–]CantBreathWithNoHair21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hehe, imagine a full on Blooper being good with women?

Bp: can I buy you a drink? I probably should due to the wage gap

Girl: haha wow, political already huh? Ok, vodka martini would be nic-

Bp: the personal IS political!

Girl: wha- um, ok?

Bp: if you’re not outraged you’re not paying attention!

Girl: yeah, so., those drinks, are you going to go get.. um, do you want me to get them?

Bp: good idea, I’m going to go cry in the bathroom then hang myself.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

barfs

[–]tickledpic29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds exactly right to me. But I wouldn't call it mysogynistic, just non-dillusioned by the angelic portrait of women in our society.

Women love good dick and they do some questionable shit to get it. Men are the same. The lesson is to not put women on pedestal and treat them with the same trust/mistrust as you do any other person.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At what point then can anyone trust anyone else?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here54 points55 points  (73 children) | Copy Link

Once you realize how easily women will flirt and eventually cheat for the right man, it's hard to really respect them.

This is also my experience with highly (sexually) successful men. It's biased too I should add. It's hard to not have your opinion on women as a whole turn negative when you've seen some shit from the ones you interact with.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (72 children) | Copy Link

Shiiiiiit ...then all TERPS should understand completely how I feel because the evidence of men being scum in general is so plentiful you can’t help but trip over it everywhere you go.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here25 points26 points  (66 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of good boi betas Jam jams.

Not many good girl sluts.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (33 children) | Copy Link

There’s lots of girls who aren’t sluts at all - and there are some sluts with hearts of gold.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here13 points14 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Of course. Read my comment again. The "misogyny" is influenced by constantly sleeping with sluts.

Yeah yeah, I'm sure there are some hookers with hearts of gold.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (29 children) | Copy Link

I think the misogyny was there before the sluts.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here10 points11 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Do you think using women for sex is inherently misogynistic? Even if you are upfront that you want nothing serious and frankly assert you are only using her for sex.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Do you think using men for money and free favors, is inherently misandrist, even if she’s upfront about the fact that she’s not going to put out?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

No. That’s basically what camwhores do. I don’t see anything misandrist about it.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Okay, good.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Jam wasn't necessarily suggesting that the view is inherently misogynistic, it's the way you express your views about women in general that's misogynistic.

The "misogyny" is influenced by constantly sleeping with sluts.

Jam is saying you're putting the cart before the horse here.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I know she wasn’t. I was asking her a question. Relax. Let her speak.

If misogyny comes before seeking sluts, I am asking her if that is because seeking sluts is inherently misogynistic.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hey buddy. You can really do this without the tone policing. Thanks in advance.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

  1. Most guys aren’t upfront and 2. If you have absolutely no women in your life that you respect then yes that’s midogyny.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Given you are upfront about it. If I seek to use women purely for their bodies, is that misogynistic?

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now, there could be good reasons for this: a mother who doesn't really deserve much respect, no sisters, then off to the Army for infantry training or a male-dominated engineering school or a trade like ironworking. All of your friends are male, and it's not because you're against women.

[–]BigDickXVIpersonal responsibility pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Personally I don't happen to respect any women in my life who aren't also in my family and significantly older than I.

I don't value and thus don't respect what most women bring into my life. That doesn't make me a mydoggynist, just in-tune with what I value.

You're a misandrist because you think women are entitled to anyone's respect.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol no wonder you’re bitter and no woman respects you, or would touch you with a 10 foot pole.

Sexless men are very easy to spot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, its not.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely! I've known more than a few sluts who were ethical, caring, kind people.

[–]woefulwankPsychology of Romance2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How does a slut manifest their heart of gold?

[–]Freethetreees8 points9 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

All good boi betas would be player misogynists if they were good looking enough to do so. AMALT.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here10 points11 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

No. I knew a few good beta boi Christian men who are quite handsome. They are not players.

[–]Freethetreees4 points5 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

That's because they believe an invisible sky daddy is judging them, so they repress their natural behavior. Take the religion away and they'd be players. AMALT.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I also know a few good beta boi family men who are quite handsome. They act the same without the religion.

Not every man is a player lol

[–]Freethetreees4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

They were probably players in their youths and left trails of broken hearts behind them before they found their wives. All men are players and wannabe players, because all men are polygamists. Some grow out of it or get bored eventually. Others get married but still cheat on their wives for variety. You don't know which category these married "good" bois fall into, but I can promise AMALT.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

They were probably players in their youths and left trails of broken hearts behind them before they found their wives.

They leave a trail of broken hearts because women can't help themselves but fall in love with them after sex. Women are going have to take some responsibility in having their hearts broken. Women have agency.

[–]Freethetreees5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. That's why women should withhold sex until they're reasonably sure a man has fallen/is falling for them. Nature made us pair-bond through sex in a way men don't, so it's up to us to protect ourselves.

My point still stands that all men are polygamist opportunistic players, even the "good" ones.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Take the religion away and they'd be players.

It's actually pretty easy to be good without god. I'm an atheist and IRL damn well behaved (its called being civilized).

[–]Freethetreees2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one is arguing against this. Players are not necessarily bad or immoral, they're just satisfying their sexual imperative. They can satisfy that imperative in moral and immoral ways, obviously.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You're making a pretty good argument for the importance of religion in maintaining social stability. Was that your intention?

[–]Freethetreees1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No. I don't think repressing people's natural desires is healthy or good for society.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

OK, so you're fine with more men being players then? You said yourself that many men need a sky daddy judging them in order to restrain themselves.

Don't you think there was something to be said for people maintaining stable nuclear families due to the threat of eternal damnation?

(For the record I'm no fan of religion on a personal level either, but I can't argue that it doesn't do a pretty good job of keeping the masses raising stable families.)

[–]Freethetreees0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If the alternative is brainwashing people into a shared delusion? Yeah, I'll take players existing, as much as I resent them.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Looks are not the limiting factor in being a player misogynist , it’s coolness , dominance and DGAF attitude , which good boy betas by definition do not have

[–]Freethetreees2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Looks are definitely the limiting factor. Coolness, dominance, and DGAF attitude are bonuses, or they're what dudes without good looks use to make up for that lack.

[–]Crankystrengthcoach 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

A good looking guy who doesn't want to dominate people and gives a fuck will never be a player misogynist to begin with. He doesn't have the personality or the desire

[–]Freethetreees1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All men have the desire to be players, whether they are able to be players depends mostly on their appearance. A really good looking man doesn't need to have the player personality to live a player's life, women will approach him.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A good looking guy who has tons of women pursuing him will likely develop "misogynist" attitudes like OP is talking about.

[–]Quick_Question_guyTechnocratic Love1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The Idea of "AMALT" or "AWALT" makes no sense. Different hormone balances changes how an individual acts, let alone the sexes considered as a set.

AMALT and AWALT is false.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand how, in this day and age, people can still find it reasonable to lump entire swaths of the population into one bucket.

[–]wattwattyOld and reddish4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shiiiiiit ...then all TERPS should understand completely how I feel because the evidence of men being scum in general is so plentiful you can’t help but trip over it everywhere you go.

All the men you consider "men," i.e. all the men that you could remotely be attracted to? Then: Yeah, you're right: Those are generally not what could be referred to as "good people."

[–]Quick_Question_guyTechnocratic Love0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is "TERP" a play on "TERFs"? What does it mean?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

terps are reds. bloops are blues.

[–]Quick_Question_guyTechnocratic Love0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

thanks

[–]jimba2243 points44 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I don't hate women at all, I just know the games they play and what they are capable of.

I like hanging around in r/mgtow because people talk about self-improvement, I really dislike the bullshit stories in which a made up women does something stupid.

In short, any smart man is aware of what women are capable of, but he doesn't have to hate them

I still want kids and all that later in life, I'm just gonna be real damn careful about who I choose to have those kids with

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

It’s still kind of funny to me that there are men out there who are shocked, shocked I tell ya, that women are capable of being just as horny, just as lecherous, and just an unfaithful as men can. Yet how many women do you see throwing serious “I hate men” tantrums to the extent that MGTOWs and Incels do? Oh noes, girls with boyfriends still fuck around so fuck all women they’re nothing but moral degenerates? Well I got news for y’all: married men don’t behave much better. My favorite was when dads used to put their hands on me during their kid’s My Grown and Me tumbling classes I taught. I even caught my own husband messaging girls online. Do I hate all men because of this? No, I just recognize how human sexuality actually works. Crybabies.

[–]HostileErectile17 points18 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Women do those things, that's not shocking at all. How much they lie about it, how victimized them feel, how entitled, how spoiled was and is constantly shocking to me.

That they are horny and have real biological needs didn't surprise me, in fact I was raised to know it.

But the fact that so many of them are basically entitled children who constantly lie about their own needs are utterly shocking.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

And why do you think they lie about it? Because the social repercussions of promiscuity are a lot more steep for them than men. They are behaving in a way to preserve social status. That is not childish or entitled, it’s smart.

People rarely behave out of a vacuum (which is what RPers constantly project onto women). As TRP says, stop judging women’s behavior from a man’s perspective as you would judge a man. Women aren’t men, and have entirely different motivations for their behaviors that serve their survival.

[–]HostileErectile8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I dont care about societies norm, I want to be treated the same way I treat people.

I don't lie to them, I'm honest and take I control of my own life, I'm self reflecting.

The vast majority of women I meet? They are none of those things.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Good for you for not caring about societal norms, Most people do, and most people base their behavior on that. Find someone who rejects societal norms, and/or gain some perspective and realize that most people are just trying their best to function within a system. It has nothing to do with entitlement or childishness. That’s your own personal projection onto them (which to me is the very definition of childish and entitled: not being able to evaluate the world beyond your own little universe).

[–]HostileErectile7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I can go into deeper detail when I'm not on a phone.

But if you think it's okay women are terrible because of society then fair enough, I don't think that's an excuse, honestly it sounds like one of the things the girls would say "oh I can't be blamed for my actions, it's society's fault".

I don't buy it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women aren’t terrible, you just have no perspective, you project, and you’re probably a bit of a whiny word that rhymes with witch.

[–]HostileErectile6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

its strange how i felt the same as you.... when i was unsuccesful with them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So is the only thing that changed about you before you became “successful with women” (whatever that means), is that you simply started thinking thy were terrible?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing your perspective, I haven't heard it before.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I just recognize how human sexuality actually works

How does human sexuality actually work? Is the desire to cheat an inevitable one?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe that for a lot of people, and I couldn’t give you an exact number, but I believe that yes it is. Human sexuality adapts to the wider culture, and I think the culture in which we live now is not very conducive to monogamy, long term at least.

[–]YesICanWhoopUrAssRedskins0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women do not have to work to attract a mate for any reason. Dumbass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they want a quality one they do.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it44 points45 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Men who succeed with women IRL tend to be extroverted, attractive, have high social status and good social skills.

But I've heard from high SMV guys endless stories of women offering to cheat with them when they had a boyfriend at home. It makes them jaded.

I don't think jaded is the same as misogynistic.

Also what % of women do that? If a guy meets 200 women in relationships and 20 offer to cheat with him, I can see why he'd become jaded. But that is still only 10% of the women he meets who act like that to him.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad20 points21 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly.

How many women would ever say publicly they would cheat on their boyfriends with a sufficiently attractive guy? 0, right? No one ever claims they would.

When girls approach you for discrete, casual sex when they are in a relationship, you now call into question every time youve ever heard that women dont cheat. How many are lying? Just this one? Or all of them?

It poisons the well of virtue.

The only reason its not different for men is that our well was poisoned long ago.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don’t worry about my husband cheating simply because I know a bunch of male cheaters.....

[–]LSTW12346 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right? This whole thread is bizarre to me.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They aren't saying their partners are cheaters so much as they're surprised at how well women lie, put up a front of virtue but are fully capable of approaching men for sex when she knows that he knows she is taken. They're a little more shameless about it and women are often the first to complain about cheating. So it's a shock to the male system to see how blatantly disrespectful some women can be and they wonder how often it actually happens (quite often) and to what extent the all women are lying.

If you're Chad and have slept with enough taken women, you get a sense that women don't really care about their relationships as much as they claim to. The rest of men aren't as aware because they're either ignorant because no one is offering them sex, or being cheated on without knowing anything. It's not all women doing this but if a woman who looks and acts like a moral, upstanding citizen is fucking Chad on the side, you begin to wonder just how many of those 'innocent' women really are innocent. Men have been regarded with suspicion from day one, so we're kinda used to it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A shock to the "male system", you apparently mean some sort of morally superior system.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. More like having to shatter the 'women are wonderful' effect. Women are the ones who believe they've got moral high ground. It's like when you catch a priest at the male bath house beneath a pile of wriggling and writhing bodies. You're going to call them out on their hypocrisy. Now when so many of them have been caught touching little boys, you wonder how pervasive it is.

[–]reluctantly_red8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don’t worry about my husband cheating

I didn't worry about my wife cheating on me either. Finding out hit me like a bolt of lightning out of the blue. Of course if I'd been more suspicious and less trusting I would have recognized red flags.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well sad for you, but this is not a problem we have.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Until you do. Like you hear every time there's a terrible crime in a nice neighborhood. "I can't believe this could happen here."

I mean... Aren't you a lawyer? You must hear some stories. People can have the perfect marriage for thirty years and then it happens. Did to my parents. If you're lucky you're lucky. But saying it can't happen is just denial.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The way you met your wife was crazy though. And the result is one of the most common reasons why people say you shouldn’t rush into marriage.

[–]Raii-v2The Best Pill is Gold8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh, I remember this time in college we were at a bar and saw this chick and her group of girlfriends dancing. Her boyfriend was there, all the signs pointed to a significant other.

I saw that same chick in another bar 45 min later, no boyfriend in sight (friends still around), get picked up (and tongued down) by our local football running back.

That shit will change the way you look at the game for sure.

[–]reluctantly_red14 points15 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I don't think jaded is the same as misogynistic.

Yes! I really want to like women. I like to believe there are at least a few good ones.

[–]Naya333310 points11 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Would you be okay if I would treat you as a cheater because I had many offers from married or taken men? There are good and bad people, it's not a gender thing.

[–]reluctantly_red8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Go ahead -- I assume that's what women do anyway.

[–]Naya33338 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Lol, why? You seriously need to get out more. Most women out there don't hate men or think that all men are cheaters (although, it's normal to be careful and wary at first).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Then this is perfectly salient advice: Men be wary of women just as women are wary of men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

At what point can anyone trust anyone else?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Idk. I'm not so naive as to think anyone at any point is worthy of total trust.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but it's impossible to function in society without some level of trust. How do you decide who and when to trust? Or have you completely given up on trust when it comes to romance?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Given up implies I once had trust in love.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think they mean that, generally speaking, women don't hold men in high regard and almost expect men to be unfaithful.

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well... To be fair, there are a lot of men who express a belief that men shouldn't or can't be faithful, so you can't blame women for distrusting men in such situation.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When it comes to bashing men, it is a gender thing all of a sudden.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would men being cheaters make women not cheaters?

I'm with Dr House. Everyone lies.

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never said anything like that. Men and women can cheat, men and women can be assholes.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If I’d had a dollar for every married man who hit on me in my 20s and 30s I’d be retired right now.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Both genders suck a lot. But lots of people do not do that of both genders too.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean, only 10% of them are at least honest enough to admit they’re cheating?

[–]mistercheeez-o____O-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBH it's rare dating a woman who doesn't have some form of a relationship these days.

[–]Hoogstens43 points44 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The word misogyny is too overused, there aren't that many men who hate women purely based on their gender (aside from niche crowds like incels etc).

Being unpleasant to women doesn't make one automatically "misogynistic", call it what it actually is..being an asshole. I doubt these guys treat weaker men and women any differently, it's called punching down.

The only difference is power + domination doesn't give other men the tingles.

[–]HostileErectile25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not at all, i have great success with women, and I treat people with huge respect but what op says is exactly how I THINK about females.

I treat them with respect, but I don't trust them and I view them as nothing but sexual release. And the more succes with women I have the more I find myself disliking them because all my worst stereotypes about them are constantly been proven right.

[–]Wallstreet320 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This. So much this.

The men who put women on the pedastal has very little success with women. Its like poor people idolizing the rich. Make yourself rich and being rich is nothing. Make yourself popular and being popular is nothing.

Become successful with women and women no longer occupy a pedestal.

The pedestal is built on scarcity.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Putting someone on the pedestal is putting them above you, though. Why wouldn't it be possible to respect women as equals? Like the poor saying to the rich, "You're no better than me."

[–]bouldurer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn. What are the stereotypes that you noticed?

[–]circlhat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

incels don't hate women, they hate being mistreated ,and male empowerment isn't really a thing, in short they hate themselves and don't even know what to do.

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately, being wary of women is considered being "misogynist" in today's political and social climate. The interesting thing is that nearly all women are wary of men. They know that men are strong and capable of violence, even though the majority of men aren't a threat to them. I think that it would be wise for any man to be aware of the shit women are capable of and adjust their behavior accordingly, just as a woman might cross the street to avoid an unknown man walking towards her at night. I'm sure any feminist worth her salt would consider me a woman hater for this belief, but that kind of blatant hypocrisy is par for the course when dealing with such a toxic anti-male ideology.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

depends on what you mean by "misogynistic" - actually hating women? no. truly misogynistic guys usually don't do well with women.

but if you mean "misogynistic" in the way that a lot of people use it today, ie not putting women on a pedestal, being able to see women's flaws, being aware that all women aren't at least equal or better than men in every single way? then yes, men who do well with women are like that. they love women but they also know they're not perfect.

pretty much all normal men will occasionally say something slightly "misogynistic" or tell an inappropriate joke when they're with their guy friends.

but be aware that a lot of men amp up the "woman hating" talk when they're in a male space or with other males. venting and talking trash about women and how women are all going to fuck you over and how you can trust a woman, etc is often a form of male bonding to talk about (and exaggerate) shared experiences. those same guys are often grossly nice and sweet to their girlfriends/wives.

the "male feminists" and dudes who stay in politcally correct mode all the time generally aren't liked or trusted by other men. first of all because it shows a lack of experience/understanding how men interact. but also because with enough experience, most of us figure out that the vast majority of those guys are only like that because they're trying to suck up to women. they're fake and creepy and hoping it will help them get laid, and they will happily fuck over, betray trust, or cockblock any man (even his close friends and relatives) if he thinks it will be an opportunity to earn brownie points from women.

[–]Madness208 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that's the irony of it.

Most men i've known with most success with women, also tend to have a more red pilled view and actions on the world in correlation.

They know what women are capable of, they know just how attractive they are and have the right mindset of self-improving and never sacrificing themselves for loved ones, and very few of them believe in love or companionship from them at all.

The ones that are in relationships, mostly just do it to have kids, while they still bang other women to keep their "confidence"/"game"/"narcisism" over 9000. Most of them are addicted to the "game". I've known some that are even known gf/wife beaters, but women can't resist the pseudo-rockstar frame and game he holds to seduce them.

[–]Naya33336 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So, how are these men any different from the women in the OP? Somehow, women are bad if they cheat and if they get cheated on.

[–]Madness202 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What women in the OP?

Somehow, women are bad if they cheat and if they get cheated on.

I don't get what exactly made you extrapolate such idea.

[–]Naya33335 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They know what women are capable of

I've known some that are even known gf/wife beaters, but women can't resist the pseudo-rockstar frame and game he holds to seduce them.

In both of these quotes you hold women accountable, but not men.

[–]Madness205 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In both of these quotes you hold women accountable, but not men.

I hold women accountable for their actions of choosing a wife beater knowingly, yes. I have the ridiculous notion that women have agency.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigroses are red, feminists are blue7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A man who is good at hitting on women, consistently, is successful because he depersonalizes them.

It's the same as soldiers. They're good at killing people because they dehumanize people. That's why it's easy for them to take a life.

A man who has the self-assurance to not give a shit about women is essentially doing the same thing.

[–]LifterofThingsDelicate Feminine Flower8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. Men who aren't highly desirable can probably go years, or their whole lifetimes, without seeing the sort of toxic crazy women are capable of.

Men who do well with women are going to be bombarded with all the worst of female manipulation and emotional extremes.

[–]catsuramen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This makes sense. Based on probability, men who get 10 girls will get 2 bad apples; men who get 50 girls will get 10 bad apples; men who get no girls will get no bad apples.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. But they are "misogynist" according to today's definition. They don't hate women. They just have a realistic view of women.

They're misogynist in that they

--don't give women special treatment

--don't take women seriously

--dont' pedestalize women

--don't supplicate to women

--view women for what they are; not what women say they are

--watch what women do and judge them accordingly, instead of taking what women say at face value

--don't prioritize women, don't listen to women, don't believe women

--don't give women undue attention

--insist on getting what they want from women and withholding attention until they get it

--call women out on their bullshit

--refuse to "respect" (i.e. admire and defer to) women

[–]concacanca14 points15 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I know a couple of Chad's and a pretty large number of guys who are naturals with women.

Misogyny is not something that they have in common, in fact there are only three things they have in common as a group:

1) they are not ugly. Only one is, IMO, particularly handsome

2) they are good fun and easy to talk to about just about anything - including sex

3) they present as low responsibility

Put it all together and it's basically a recipe for hookups and STR without any of the pressure to lock a good guy down before they are ready

[–]woefulwankPsychology of Romance2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they present as low responsibility

All men do, only women require responsibility and nurturing. Men should not present as needing any maintenance.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy Link

Those guys really are the best. They get women becuase they talk to us.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male15 points16 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

*eyeroll* wow, why hasn't anyone ever tried that? Can I sign up for your newsletter?

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's because they have abundance. those guys who do well with women don't have that cloud of thirstyness hanging over them when they talk to a woman. they can just be chill and cool and fun have a "normal" conversation for conversation's sake.

they're not trying to drive it toward sex or trying to show the girl that the guy is worthy of sex or acting nervous and awkward or whatever it is that thirsty guys do in conversation that annoys women.

[–]InternationalProfile3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they're not trying to drive it toward sex or trying to show the girl that the guy is worthy of sex

One addition: They're able to do this because, once the initial conversation has begun, it's the woman in this scenario who will usually put sex on the table. The guy can afford to sit back and let the game come to him.

For average guys, it doesn't work that way. He has to initiate at every step or he doesn't get laid. He has to "drive it toward sex" or it never goes in that direction. He doesn't have the luxury of being attractive enough for women to want sex with him for the sake of sex with him.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you talk to women just for sexual purposes, it comes across that way. These guys actually pull off being genuine friends

[–]YesICanWhoopUrAssRedskins10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So they do what the fictional "NiceGuysTM" do. How fucking ironic.

[–]GridReXXit be like that4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and they're attractive.

Step 1) Be Attractive

Step 2) Act Natural and Breezy and Sociable

Step 3) Don't be unattractive (beta) or contrived (autistic/weird/socially obtuse).

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah. Just talk as friends. Never make your sexual intentions known, and never escalate. I can tell you experience during my BP days just how well that works out.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Friends talk about sex, you lame.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a difference between "talking about sex", and making it clear that you want to have sex with them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao. This must be the female equivalent of men liking women who put on makeup so well that men think they don't have makeup on at all. When you do your job right, it's as if you didn't do anything at all...

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. The idea is to sexually escalate and make your intentions clear through facial expression and innuendo. If you do your job right, it's as if you didn't do anything. And plus this gives her plausible deniability when things escalate. Women love to have plausible deniability.

[–]writingtochucow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny because Jammerly's point is actually one that more RP men (the ones who still bother with the 'we're RP because we want to learn how to bang more women' stuff, anyway) would do well to give some genuine thought to.

[–]reluctantly_red7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

All three of them say women are not to be trusted.

This is a lesson that lots of us guys have learnt the hard way (some of us the very hard way). Once we learn and internalize this lesson (some of us are stupid enough to have still trusted women when we should have known better) we never again put a woman's desires above our own. Ironically this makes guys more not less attractive -- go figure.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

but women stress the importance of trust in the relationship.

when my ex asked me if i trusted her and i said no

she would never let it go. she made it her duty to get me to trust her.

which ironically made me trust her less

[–]Naya33336 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You do realize that actions of one woman have nothing to do with another woman, right? If you don't trust one woman because of actions of another, you are the one with a problem and you are not ready to be in a relationship. And please, stop pretending that cheating is a female only behaviour. Men cheat or try to cheat at least as often as women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

stop pretending that cheating is a female only behaviour.

i don't.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe it is a mix of the women normal behavior, a exposure effect and how to improve your value.

Imagine 2 cases

  • a man who has naturally a high value will be exposed to all behavior of women as they will be followed everywhere, and anywhere. thus, making him achieve a quite accurate depiction of women, a bad one, but accurate.
  • A man who do not have a high value that wants to increase his value need a motivation to believe he does not have what it needs, and thus, study women, getting into conclusions close to the case above, if he achieve his objectives, both will end up like you said.

I do believe there is almost no men with high value who truly think too highly of women, as they are way too exposed to their nature. Or as you call "misogynistic", you can't stumble into high value with your eyes closed.

TRP, in case, is just a collection of the second examples above, a bunch of men trying to improve their values and observing women by what they are.

[–]squarehead932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. If you're a star quarterback at a big university or a rock star, you're not just going to have groupies who flaunt their promiscuity trying to get with you; you're undoubtedly going to be exposed to seemingly "good girls" who can call their boyfriends and husbands and say they love them right after they're done wiping your cum off their faces. Not to mention you'll be so surrounded by so much abundance that you're naturally going to be indifferent to women and see how it only makes them want them more.

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

These men you’ve consulted have learned a fundamental truth,

Women cannot solve your problems, they can only add to them.

In the current environment, an honest man valuing his own time enough to not give it away will be labeled “misogynistic”.

[–]Arnold_Biscotti6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Others have pointed it out, but in short, as a guy who has had considerable success with casual hook-ups and FWB, you tend to learn more realities about the way women are, and that they are no different than men who consider themselves to be PUAs/players.

I've slept with many girls who were in relationships with their boyfriend, and the reason for their infidelity basically boils down to dissatisfaction with their sex life; which is essentially why men cheat as well. You sort of learn women are just as primal and interested in sex as men are, and as a result start thinking of women as being horny players who are looking for the best dick they can possibly get their orifices on- which society unfairly terms as sluts/hoes/thots etc; while men are praised and idolized for the same behavior.

The way to not be a misogynist about it is to simply not think of a girl being a slut/hoe as a negative thing, but just as a regular old human being who wants an orgasm like the rest of us.

[–]Naya333312 points13 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I'll tell you a secret, women are not a hivemind, just because one woman acts one way, it doesn't mean that all women are like that. When I was a teenager I was often approached by older married men, should I extrapolate my experiences and assume that all men are cheaters?

Cheating is not a female behaviour, men cheat or try to cheat all the time.

There are plenty of women who stay away from players like that, but you don't see it because staying away from someone is not a visible behaviour. There are a lot of people who are faithful to their partners, but it's not obvious to outsiders.

At the end of the day, like attracts like. I have a lot of friends who have never dated casually and have had sex only in long-term relationships. They would never come close to a dudebro that you described.

[–]Madness205 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

should I extrapolate my experiences and assume that all men are cheaters?

Cheating is not a female behaviour, men cheat or try to cheat all the time.

You somehow manage to contradict yourself in the very following sentence.

[–]Naya33339 points10 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

How did I contradict myself? I did not say that all men cheat, I said that there are plenty of men that cheat.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you know what a generalization is

[–]Madness20-1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of women that cheat as well, possibly more, just because it is that easy, you wouldn't know that for a fact.

How does it make it a male nature thing?

[–]Naya33339 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I said that men and women cheat or try to cheat equally often, so it's not a gender thing. Easiness has nothing to do with it, in my book, if a man tries to cheat and fails he is as good as a cheater.

[–]Madness200 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

I said that men and women cheat or try to cheat equally often,

Then that's not what interpreted from it, it seemed to me you were implying cheating isn't a female behaviour as in that women don't cheat naturally.

Easiness has nothing to do with it, in my book, if a man tries to cheat and fails he is as good as a cheater.

I don't disagree, but thinking of cheating and doing it are very different things.

[–]Naya33332 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Then that's not what interpreted from it, it seemed to me you were implying cheating isn't a female behaviour as in that women don't cheat naturally.

Maybe I wasn't clear. What I meant to stay, cheating is not a female-only behaviour, men and women cheat.

I don't disagree, but thinking of cheating and doing it are very different things.

Thinking about something and trying to do it are different things. I have thought about murdering someone, but if I'd try to do it, I would go to jail. I don't see how a person who tried to cheat and failed is any better than a cheater. I wouldn't judge a person who thought about cheating but refrained from doing so.

[–]Madness202 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Thinking about something and trying to do it are different things. I have thought about murdering someone, but if I'd try to do it, I would go to jail. I don't see how a person who tried to cheat and failed is any better than a cheater. I wouldn't judge a person who thought about cheating but refrained from doing so.

I would say almost everyone in the world entertains the idea of cheating on someone when they're mad enough. Most people abstain from even trying for moral or pratical reason, but easiness and access does facilitate a lot the opportunity and the possibility. The easier it is, the more likely are people to be drawn to make those actions. For a woman, all she has to do is message her friend that would totally like to bang her.

[–]Naya33333 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, a man can hire a prostitute, also easy. The fact is, research shows that men and women are equally likely to cheat (with men being slightly more likely to cheat, but that could be the standard error margin).

[–]Madness201 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, a man can hire a prostitute, also easy. The fact is, research shows that men and women are equally likely to cheat (with men being slightly more likely to cheat, but that could be the standard error margin).

Men are less likely to even be married, at least 10%. That automatically skews data in one direction. This means that in raw absolute numbers , women do it more by virtue of being more often in relationships.

[–]Barneysparky1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone thinks of cheating because they are mad at someone, in fact 'im mad at you so I'm going to have sex with someone else' sounds like something someone in highschool would say.

Now if one partner establishes their relationship as open without telling the other, that's a problem and can only be solved by coming to some kind of agreement. Whatever that agreement is, is up to the individuals.

[–]Madness201 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone thinks of cheating because they are mad at someone, in fact 'im mad at you so I'm going to have sex with someone else' sounds like something someone in highschool would say.

That's not being mad enough to entertain sex with another person. Suppose bad streaks of luck that end up culminating with the absense of a spouse, or a sufficiently big dry spell for things that are really outside of your control or actually your partner's fault to some part, etc.

There's plenty of reasons for that many people eventually reach points in relationships where they feel unsatisfied with their sex life in a way or another and will entertain every possibility for the sake of finding a solution.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

There are mysoginistic men who get women and there are mysoginistic men who don’t. There are men who identify as feminist who get women, and there are men who identify as feminist who don’t.

What TRPers see as “alpha” behavior really isn’t about being “alpha”. It’s about being genuine to oneself and not letting people walk all over you. I do fine with women. I have had plenty of casual sex, and am currently in a relationship. I treat her with respect but also demand that she treats me with respect.

Just be a good person without being a pushover, and don’t date young party girls that are getting fucked up all the time. There are plenty of down to earth, genuine girls that aren’t like that and also hot. Join a social activity that’s related to an interest you like, and try to get heavily involved in it. Yoga, kickboxing, hiking, guitar, karaoke (how I met my current gf), etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

What if your social activities tend to be filled either with older people, or males?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I mean what’s your social activity? Knitting? Surely there are things you are interested in that younger people also like.

As far as “mostly males” goes - I assume you’re talking about gaming. I’m a nerd. I play Warcraft 3, Overwatch, and hearthstone. I can assure you that there are plenty of hot ass chicks that like nerdy games. And if you wear it with pride instead of feeling insecure about it, even the ones who don’t will usually be cool with it if you’re a cool guy.

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I like hiking, for example. But the hiking meetups I've been to so far are filled with people over 25. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but as someone who's still 21, that's just a bit out of my preferred age range. Also, very few single ladies there. Maybe it's just somehow the groups I find myself in.

For "mostly males" I meant things like poker and board games. I'm sure there are girls that like those things too. Just somehow not in the groups that I go to to play those things.

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Some tips

1 - pursue passion first. If you love poker and it’s all dudes, play the fuck out of poker. When you meet women who aren’t into poker, they’ll still appreciate the fact that you do something you love.

2 - Then hike with the 25 year olds. I know it feels like a waste of time, but women are drawn towards men who do what they want and follow passion. Invest in yourself. Also, when you hit 25, women love hiking. Hot women love hiking. Learn the trails, get in shape for it, have a few killer hikes with beautiful views that you have on the back of your mind - and you’ll have the best 3rd-5th date ever (hiking is a little much for a first, but you’re more confident on your first if you know that you can blow their mind with some cool shit if they stick around)

3 - Try new things. Step out of your comfort zone - a cliche thing to say, but try things. Go to some dive bars - there are bars for every kind of person. Join a coed kickball team. Take a dance lesson. You don’t have to like everything, but dudes who try different things both meet more women and are more attractive to women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great, thanks for the tips! I'll keep on doing the things I like and exploring new things too. Good to know that despite my current lack of success, that I might not necessarily be on the wrong path :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Another thought -- you mentioned meeting girls that play games. I'm not much of a gamer, but the games that I do play every now and then tend to make it a solitary activity for me. I don't even meet other gamers, let alone gamers who are women. The way I play games, I can't imagine meeting anyone else even if I played games a lot more. So I am really curious, how do you go about meeting other people who do what I assume is a mostly solitary activity?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Polarization is the single most important concept to understand. You don’t necessarily have to go to activities related to gaming. You just talk about it. If somebody asks you your interests, you just mention it. You’ll find women who are into those types of games. You’ll find women who aren’t, but who don’t mind that you are. And you’ll find women who are turned off by it. But that’s what you want - be the most true version of yourself and polarize people. Force them to make a judgment on the real you without any mask on.

There are people all over the place with all sorts of interests. You’ll be shocked at how many hot ass girls play WoW and League of Legends and other really nerdy things like that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

> But that’s what you want - be the most true version of yourself and polarize people. Force them to make a judgment on the real you without any mask on.

Thanks, I'm definitely already doing this as well.

> There are people all over the place with all sorts of interests.

That's for sure. My main problem right now is meeting more people outside of my usual circles, but I suppose as you say, trying out new things is a good way to do that.

You give good advice. Wish I knew what else to ask you.

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Feel free to PM dude. I’m 28. I wish I knew this stuff when I was first starting out. I wasted some good years figuring this stuff out.

One great place to meet women - dancing lessons. Salsa, swing, and ballroom are great choices. First of all, learning how o have a few killer moves for when you start going to weddings is an awesome thing to have, trust me. And women looove a guy who can dance.

Aside from that, meetup.com events can be a blast. Charity events not only are filled wth women, but you also can do something good for the world. BJJ classes won’t have a lot of women, but you’ll meet some awesome guys who can become part of an incredible social circle while getting in shape and learning how to kick some ass!

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Very cool, thank you!

[–]yenvalmar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are a beta and learn any of this red pill shit and actually apply it, it will definitive make you misogynistic because it's about basically manipulating people into sleeping with you, and it actually works if you really follow through on it, especially the parts about being your best self physically, or at least not being a total slob, and the whole "chads have high market value" - which is annoying to those of us who are naturally betas and would like to think thats all bullshit and its our personalities that should count- and it doesn't lead to healthy relationships. Once you've had sex with dozens of attractive girls that you merely seduced using a very cynical set of ideas, and see that it actually works as advertised at least in some cases, by doing a lot of things that seem pretty shitty from a "niceguy" POV, it can warp your view, but I guess personally it's just made me misogynistic to all the women i've hooked up with by playing mind games, because what a bunch of shallow and annoying people.

I have to remind myself that I have also had long term loving relationships with people in the bast, but sometimes it feels like I was playing a lot of red pill type games instinctively before I read anything about it or knew what I was doing- I guess I have reasonable instincts and of course none of it is really news anyways, its just a branding and codifying a certain approach to dating that was fairly common knowledge to begin with-

but re analyzing my relationships after getting exposed to red pill stuff, its like, oh I was doing X Y and Z thing that the red pill guys have codified and made up jargon to communicate as part of a formalized strategy, but I was just winging it and trying to improve my behavior by trial and error. Which has lead me not to totally dismiss TRP despite the hugely toxic community- I can say from my own experience that some of their ideas are unfortunately very true, and and in retrospect realizing _why_ the most successful relationships I have had, aligned with a lot of the red pill ideas, and how these failed relationships failed is also usually pretty covered by red pill also, has actually diminished the relationships in my memory and earned my grudging respect for some of the truths in it :(

Well, I guess thats why they use the matrix analogy- the red pill worldview is from a pretty damn cynical and bleak place and once you realize that it literally is actionable advice that can get you laid if you do it right, it is something you can't un-know, even if you chose to try not to practice it.

about me, i'm 42, and have had several relationships of over a year where we lived together and did the whole monogamy thing, longest being 6 years, and when I went through my self training about what is now called the red pill, and it finally clicked into my own version of "having game", I definitely went through a brief period of being a male slut and slept with over 30 girls in a year which of necessity required keeping multiple plates spinning at once as they say.. the novelty wore off though and also I'm inherently introverted and started to find it exhausting. And also my sex drive is starting to get more manageable since I turned 40 so I am fine going for a day without having sex (or masturbating for that matter) multiple times, which used to be a necessity for me to be able to focus on anything else.

So TLDR I wouldn't say that I'm over all mysogynistic, but having put some of the strategies espoused by red pill people into practice and actually getting results, hasn't raised my respect for women as a whole, and actually hasn't for men either.. just makes you hate humanity really, put it that way. And I didnt get into this stuff from being a volcel neckbeard, I got out of the parents house and lost my virginity at 18 and had a number of relationships before I had ever heard of the red pill as a psychological thing.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Frequently, even the ones who obnoxiously profess feminism. This is where all the distrust for male feminism called “woke misogyny” comes from

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*Especially* the ones who profess feminism, I'd say. I've learned not to trust male feminists.

[–]genethedog8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

God I'm so tired of the word "misogynist." If you don't exalt women, bow down to them and put all your money and energy into serving them, you're a misogynist.

Give me a fucking brake. This is the new "If you don't like me, you must be gay." Except now it's full on accusations of HATE.

This is typically how the female mind works. Like a child, they don't get 'scale' or thinking 'relatively'.

In psychology this is called 'splitting'. It's black and white thinking; on or off; 1 or 0; you're with me or against me. And it's god damned terrifying how prevalent this is in culture/society.

This is a sign of people in the Cluster B set of personality disorders. Borderline and Narcissistic personality disordered individuals think like this. Narcissistic and Borderline people are like children. Highly emotional, highly manipulative, they cycle between pedestalization and devaluation and they will do and say just about anything to get what they want, only holding back when they might be exposed for being crazy or may be abandoned.

And it's abandonment that all these people are most scared of. Women that can't attract men anymore are being abandoned, and their only recourse is to try and guilt/shame the men. It must me mens fault. They must be gay, or scared (phobic) or HATE women (misogynist).

It's NOT WORKING LADIES. You can't guilt shame us into liking you, it drives smart men away, FAST!

Women that do this are PROJECTING their resentment onto men in general. This is all they can do to protect their delusion and ego. It must be EVERY ONE ELSE'S fault. It's MEN! They HATE US.

There are plenty of damaged and narcissistic men. Unfortunately, this is 'attractive' to women because women want to change/take care of someone, or, in other words, they want someone that has to depend on them so they have to seek out weaker damaged men because going for an alpha/strong/independent man means SHE has to submit and women hate this.

They hate feeling weaker, they hate to submit. And they are free to choose to do that. But while they're walking away they are screaming back at the men that we hate them and want to control them and hae power over them when it's exactly the opposite.

No man word the title "man" would ever submit to a woman. WHY would he? He's bigger, stronger, faster AND smarter than the average woman. Where women got the idea they can come anywhere near competing with the average capable men is feminism and it's a fucking delusion. But it feels good. And that's all women want at the end of the day.

Provision, protection, comfort, attention. But that's not good enough, now they want to be GIVEN the position of boss. It's unbelievable. And if you don't "let them" be the boss (btw, no one LET'S other people be the boss) then you're a sexist and a misogynist that thinks men are more capable than women.

WE ARE. That's reality.

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Men are "smarter" than women? Lol, please look at IQ tests. Men are far more represented at extremes (both high and low), but on average male and female IQs are the same, because women are more likely to cluster in the middle. You are more likely to meet a low-IQ man than a low-IQ woman, just as you are more likely to meet a high-IQ man than you are to meet a high-IQ woman.

[–]genethedog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are absolutely right. You have correctly read the stats. Women cluster in the middle. Yep.

However, IQ probably doesn't effect men and women's choices as much as their biological drives. Women put their brains to different uses than men.

Women study faces and the group to get by. Men study the physical world. Women learn to manipulate people to get by. Men learn to manipulate the world/nature.

My theory on the 'clustering' in the middle is due to the above observation. Women do 'enough' to get by and stop. Men strive to be different, to stand out, to be independent.

If you're a person with a high IQ but are surrounded from birth by average people, and you try to 'go along' with the group (ie: avoid sticking your neck out) then you will end up just like the others. You will have let your brain atrophy because it was 'safer' to do so than to go it alone.

The men all have to strive and stick their necks out. Only some succeed. Some are exposed for being stupid. But when we do put our brains to work, you will find that the men that are capable far out pace women at everything.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great. And no woman should ever submit to a man either. You’re not any better than us.

Men’s pathological need for control is why women no longer respect them. You all brought this on yourselves.

[–]genethedog1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What you call control is called respect. And I'm not saying that guys don't get used to things a certain way and take it for granted until something changes and the we freak out and demand things go back to 'normal'. And when someone is dependent on you, it's easy for the tyrant to come out. But it does take us time to get there.

Women want control out of the box and when they get it they don't respect the man and usually won't have anything to do with him because of his perceived 'rebellion' which is simply how an entitled woman views a man that doesn't metaphorically drop to his knees dying for a taste of her pussy.

Men will earn it by demonstrating what we have to offer (resources and utility) and providing protection (comfort) to the female. All of these are much harder to acheive/demonstrate than "hey, look at my body, I know you wanna fuck it?"

women typically control a man by finding out what he wants and withholding it from him. And since it's usually only sex that she has to offer well that's what she holds cuz she knows he kind of wants that.

A man on the other hand finds out what a woman wants and gives it to her in spades. But like anything that's given for free it isn't respected. So if a man finds out what a woman wants and withhold it from her he's called a controlling ass hole because she doesn't want to actually have to do anything to get it. She doesn't want to have to try. she doesn't want to have to try and figure out what he wants and give it to him so that he'll give her what she wants. She just wants it and she wants it now.

Both are perfectly valid ways to get what you want. However one requires strength intelligence adaptability ability and honor.

the other requires being lucky to be born with something somebody wants and then just sit on it.

I'm pretty sure if an alien species showed up and started observing humans and they wanted to shoes which sex was the most capable and competent they wouldn't be choosing women.

just imagine an end-of-the-world scenario like the TV show The Walking Dead. look around at all the men you know and look around at all the women you know. and then ask yourself if you were the leader of a little tribe, and you had to choose five people out of the group. are you going to be the tribe that picks all the vaginas so they can satisfy the men for a little while.

Or you going to be the one that chooses all the most capable and Builds an Empire that then can attract all the 'comfort' for the men?

One of these tribes Will Survive and Thrive one of them will fail. Guess which one will fail?

"We're all the same" my fucking fat ass.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn’t grasp irony

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I imagine it would vary and be independent of whether or not that male is successful with the opposite sex. Attractive men who are "misogynistic" have more insulation and can get away with more.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mysoginistic is the wrong word. I dont think attractive successful men hate women.

In my cynical opinion, most people dont deserve any respect. We (usa) are a nation of overweight, poorly disciplined, entertainment consuming children, men and women alike. Men who are strong, succesful, disciplined and attractive are naturally going to have a bit of an ego, even if they act humble.

That ego means they put up with less nonsense from people of both genders, but its more noticeable with women when contrasted with the ass kissing average men do to women to get a whiff of puss.

[–]writingtochucow4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, agreed.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The only real misogyny I've seen in my own experience has come from frustrated men who have NO luck with women or have been through a bad break-up/divorce and paint with a broad brush.

[–]Madness205 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Frustrated men mostly pretend to be misogynous to mirror the behaviour of the peers they realize have more success than them. On real life actions, most frustrated men also have tendencies to put women on pedestals.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Putting women on a pedestal doesn't mean there's no misogyny going on. It just means they're desperate or perhaps disallusioned.

I think theres a whole dedicated to this nice guy type of stuff.

[–]Madness205 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Putting women on a pedestal doesn't mean there's no misogyny going on.

Putting women on a pedestal is short for "women are wonderful" and a combination of self hatred and misandrist views. That's not misogyny in any book.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well I'm here to tell you that men put their wives on the pedastal for most of American history and then told them to go wash dishes.

[–]Madness201 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thinking of women as property and slaves is not putting them on a pedestal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not what I said, but anyways...I'm not going to argue semantics. I was using "put on a pedestal "as it is commonly used in everyday language.

[–]Madness201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you are confusing putting on a pedestal with "benevolent sexism". They can intercept, but they aren't the same thing.

"Benevolent sexism" is not pedestalizing, it's literally treating women as inferior and less capable.

Putting women on a pedestal on the other hand is thinking that women are generally better , more moral or incapable of being as bad as men. That's something that's easily more seen in RadFems than anything else.

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You don't think that hot girls have married guys lining up to fuck them?? You don't think clubs are FULL of married men looking for a ONS?

PEOPLE are shitty. Not just women.

Although I will say that those who claim women cheat less than men are delusional.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

PEOPLE are shitty. Not just women.

well fucking duh. but for some reason society pretends women are the fairer sex

[–]exhibitionistcouplezEverything I Know I learned from group sex2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yall must hang out with shitty people.

Super feminist. I just figured out what girls I liked. Then I figured out what those girls liked. Then I figured out how to be more of what those girls liked.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker15 points16 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Are any of these men successful at relationships? Perhaps that’s the type of man that you need to talk to - a man who has dated someone for several years and who has not had his partner cheat on him or leave him.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Are any of these men successful at relationships?

they all have girl friends main chicks (much better word to describe the situation).

the girl friends accept that sleeping around is just one of the quirks of being with them.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

sleeping around is just one of the quirks of being with them

That's not a quirk. That's a moral failing.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop shaming poly relationships, where’s your wokefulness?

[–]storffish5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

are they basically MGTOW or do they have girlfriends and side chicks? your story makes no sense.

the girl friends accept that sleeping around is just one of the quirks of being with them.

because they're getting dicked down by other guys

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

are they basically MGTOW or do they have girlfriends and side chicks?

mgtow in the sense that they tell women to fuck off so they can focus on their mission for long periods of time.

lifelong bachelor if you want to use a different term

[–]storffish5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

...wanting some time alone while in a relationship is "basically MGTOW" now? whats not MGTOW? being around your girlfriend every second of every day and being too pussy to ever tell her to leave you alone? for fucks sake. how old are these people in your story? you refer to your class so I assume you're in high school?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

wanting some time alone is MGTOW now?

if you look into mgtow philosophy that's basically it. nothing about it says you can't fuck around with women. just no cohabitation or marriage.

how old are these guys?

25, 19, 21

you talk about your class so I assume you're in high school or college.

community college

[–]storffish15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

yeah go on MGTOW and talk about how sometimes you don't want to hang out with your girlfriend I'm sure they'll embrace you with open arms and welcome you as one of them.

and ah yes, the 19-year-old "lifelong bachelor." everything about this thread is hilarious.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah go on MGTOW

mgtow philosophy ...not the mgtow sub

lifelong bachelor

why are taking this literally? you asked to clarify what i meant by mgtow so i'm trying to explain the situation to you.

[–]storffish5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

because nothing you're describing holds any water. lifelong bachelor MGTOW's who have barely entered adulthood and are already in relationships. this premise is laughable.

[–]Talono1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you understand what MGTOW is.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

because they're getting dicked down by other guys

If these girls have so many other options then why do they pull this crazy needy bullshit routine when they aren’t getting what they want, like, if she really had all these other dudes on the line why wouldn’t she just say fuck it and give them a call

[–]storffish5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

same reason a guy with a girlfriend doesnt do the same with his side chicks. attention, validation, status, attachment, and "love."

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker20 points21 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

So these men are sleeping around too while complaining about women who cheat?

My own view is that if a guy pursues women who just have sex for whatever particular guy gives them tingles at the time, then he’s going to run into a lot of women behaving badly who he can’t trust. But if he’s trying to pursue women who are considering their future and settling down, he’s more likely to find someone who will stay faithful as long as he stays attractive to her. Guys who are “successful” with women, meaning high N, have probably met a lot more of the former type of woman, hence the misogyny.

[–]Pretty_Please_C_My_V 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

i wish what you're saying was true ...but i've seen the nudes of too many of the "good girls" in my class to think it's just a "certain type of woman"

[–]Jammerly1 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

That’s just because men can’t tell fake good girls from real ones. And nudes don’t make you “not good” especially if you’re in a LTR with a guy.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerChonks Pheel the Phonk4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much. That being said, I'd think someone who fits the good girl description is high in conscienctiousness and is likely someone who is a rule follower. At least that is my experience and that is how my gf is.

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s just because men can’t tell fake good girls from real ones.

And how the hell is the guys supposed to tell? Women can act the good girl for years provided her guy remains her best option. But if he stumbles and/or a better option presents itself he's kicked to the curb. The "real" good girl can become a "fake" good girl overnight.

[–]Freethetreees3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But if he stumbles and/or a better option presents itself he's kicked to the curb

Then he shouldn't have stumbled and failed to be her best option. All women are equally "good girls" and "bad girls" simultaneously, equally "madonna" and "whore", the only thing that changes is the situation.

I'd rather have the certainty that if I remain by best self and my partner's best option, that they won't stray. As a straight woman, you can literally be the best most attractive version of yourself, but your man will still cheat for variety, even with women of lesser quality than yourself. I cannot imagine anything more humiliating.

[–]reluctantly_red4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather have the certainty that if I remain by best self and my partner's best option, that they won't stray.

"Certainty"??? Everyone has reversals of fortune and everyone will eventually face health issues. What I've come to realize is that women are fair weather friends. They're more than willing to share in the bounty of good times -- indeed they feel entitled to. However, they also feel entitled to leave if the road gets a little rough -- wedding vows notwithstanding.

[–]Freethetreees1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everyone has reversals of fortune and everyone will eventually face health issues

Then you'd better hope that happens at a time when your wife does not have better options, like when you're both super old and in the retirement home. Either way, it's not worth worrying about. Just keep being the best you, and you'll probably be fine and your wife will only have eyes for you.

I'd rather have that than the relative certainty hanging over my head that my partner WILL cheat if given the opportunity and the knowledge that he won't get caught. It doesn't matter if I'm an amazing partner or a shitty partner, men have the desire to cheat either way. A woman only has the desire to leave if her man stops being "her MAN", the man she fell in love with in the first place. A man always has a chance to have a completely loyal partner, in deed and thought. The only way a woman can have that is by castrating their partner or mate guarding him 24/7.

[–]carefreevermillionLook at me. I'm the Chad now.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Weird, because I know men who abhor cheating on principle. Even if they find another woman attractive or hell, even more attractive than their girlfriend/wife, they just don't believe in doing it and therefore won't.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

'Having a girlfriend' and having a successful relationship are two different things

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the girl friends accept that sleeping around is just one of the quirks of being with them

Wow. Sounds like a recipe for STDs.

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

All three of them have experiences with women cheating with them ...then going straight to their boyfriends later in the day.

This is the kind of disillusioning content that made me let go of the idea of love.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

i still believe in love. i just don't believe it stops women from cheating

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

i just don't believe it stops women from cheating

That makes it lose all value to me.

[–]Poster515 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Some men have been with so many women with boyfriends and husbands that they've become afraid of becoming boyfriends and husbands.

[–]Naya33332 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You paint these men as the victims, but they are not. They chose to sleep with someone else's GFs and wives, they are not good people (I am not defending the cheating women either). There are plenty of nice women out there, but they wouldn't touch a man who had sex with multiple taken women with a ten-foot pole.

[–]Poster515 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I am not implying victimhood or assuming these men are good people, even though 1) many men don't find out these women are already spoken for until later and 2) the men are not the ones with wedding vows. But this is irrelevant and beside the point. The gist is men observe and experience how many women act when their SOs are not around and it makes them hesitate before becoming SOs themselves.

[–]Naya33334 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What you seem to not realize is that there are visible and invisible behaviours. Being unfaithful to someone is a visible behaviour, but being faithful to someone isn't. You can't see me being faithful to my boyfriend, you don't see me not flirting or sleeping with other men. I have been approached by taken men many times, but I don't judge all men by the actions of a few for the simple reason that I realize that for each married man approaching me there are probably 10 men who are not looking to cheat.

sex isn't even necessary, just flirtation or mere observation

With all due respect, men often take mere politeness for flirtation. I have been many times in a situation where I couldn't stand the guy, but he or other people thought that I flirted with him.

Also not sure how the man's sexual history in the context we're discussing is relevant.

Good women who value faithfulness are more likely to avoid men like this.

[–]Poster515 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I honestly don't blame women either who are paranoid after being approached by married or taken men. It doesn't matter if it's a minority if it's a significant minority.

With all due respect, men often take mere politeness for flirtation. I have been many times in a situation where I couldn't stand the guy, but he or other people thought that I flirted with him.

I am nothing special in any sense. But through many years of working in an area of nightlife with many women I did my fair share of flirting, touching, and sex with both coworkers and customers. I never purposely slept with anyone I knew was taken, but I did find out after the fact for some. I am not necessarily proud of my experiences but I was only in my 20s, horny and brash. Nevertheless those experiences have ruined my outlook on future LTRs forever - your argument that not all spoken-for women will cheat is of little consolation.

Good women who value faithfulness are more likely to avoid men like this.

Great. Good women exist. You already established this. Unfortunately it's not so easy to just pick the good women from the crowd because they are indistinguishable from the bad ones who act like good women.

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I honestly don't blame women either who are paranoid after being approached by married or taken men.

Well, there's a difference between being paranoid and careful after seeing people of the opposite gender cheat and treating people of the opposite gender badly because of some people of the opposite gender who cheat. Every person should be treated accordingly to how they act. I am not going to treat my boyfriend badly because some other man hurt me, I shall be more careful around him because I don't want to be hurt again though. It is hard at times, though. I often need to remind myself that I need to judge the men I date by who they are, not who other men are.

Nevertheless those experiences have ruined my outlook on future LTRs forever - your argument that not all spoken-for women will cheat is of little consolation.

You do realize that women who often go to clubs are not representative of all women, right?

Great. Good women exist. You already established this. Unfortunately it's not so easy to just pick the good women from the crowd because they are indistinguishable from the bad ones who act like good women.

Well... That's true and not true. You can't be 100% sure that a woman you are with is a good person, but you can minimize the risks. There's plenty of literature out there on how to recognize red flags in relationships early on. All you need id to think with your head instead of your dick.

[–]Poster515 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not going to treat my boyfriend badly because some other man hurt me, I shall be more careful around him because I don't want to be hurt again though. It is hard at times, though. I often need to remind myself that I need to judge the men I date by who they are, not who other men are.

Of course you should not treat your bf badly. I do not look to treat any prospective gf or wife poorly. But my point is I will hesitate deeply before committing to anyone in the first place. If you admit yourself it's difficult to not fear being hurt, then you understand those who opt to not take the risk.

You do realize that women who often go to clubs are not representative of all women, right?

The women frequenting bars and clubs are not part of some isolated demographic especially when we are talking about young social women. Most of my friends male or female at the time I did not consider particularly adventurous still went out fairly often and did not strike me as especially thrillseeking or more likely to cheat or take risks than anyone else. Maybe we can chalk it up to regional differences, but I attributed this to just being young, stupid, and being caught up in peer pressure.

There's plenty of literature out there on how to recognize red flags in relationships early on. All you need id to think with your head instead of your dick.

From my experiences this is not true, as some of the most unfaithful people have come across as the most committed and morally sound. I'm saying there may be red flags, there may not be. For some men (and women) the most comforting way to minimize risk is to not commit at all.

[–]Daniel_Bryan_FanBlue Pill Man6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think confidence is key. Most who are non empathetic have natural confidence because they don’t care about others’ feelings and that can include misogyny. There’s still plenty of men who are confident and don’t treat women like crap.

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All three of them have experiences with women cheating with them ...then going straight to their boyfriends later in the day.

My first post trp plate was a married woman at the gym. Being the cheat-ee will ruin your opinion of women more than getting cheated on.

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[–]goatismycopilotJohnI'monlydancing6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

A man I was dating and really liked told me quite spontaneously about how he cheated with another woman. I assumed he was warning me he might cheat and it made me less attracted to him so much that I started perceiving things he said in a more negative way instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt and I ended up dumping him. So if he was trying to dread me away it totally worked.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not how "dread" is supposed to work in RP terms, but I get what you're saying.

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Out-played the player. GG.

[–]goatismycopilotJohnI'monlydancing0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh. Can only do what works for me. Goats are too lazy to play games.

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]goatismycopilotJohnI'monlydancing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm. Good piont.

[–]MattcwuJust sticking up for the oppressed and voiceless women2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, men who have success with women just realize that, women have problems. Those problems are sometimes different than the problems men have. Some people call that misogyny, they're wrong.

[–]VoidInvincibleFull Measure2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There goes the BP fantasy theory that RP behavior/views are easy to spot.

[–]passepar2t2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, obviously. But it's not really full blown misogyny, as most commenters have noted.

[–]Gnometard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you are saying that those that learned from their experiences are bad?

Any success with women shows you the same, no misogyny required to understand that's just how women typically are

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's the opposite. If you look at the now famous women are wonderful effect, the men who had the most sex also had the most positive delusions about women. The group who viewed women most negatively were men who had little to no experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The heck he just said he found high value men seeing women as bad. Aka. Misogynistic.

[–]kandyapplezborn in '91 👸 💅1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no, i've noticed the opposite, that guys who are good with women tend to like and appreciate women more than guys who are bad with women. they tend to hate other men more than they hate women if anything.

they are at least NOT more misogynist than men who are bad with women.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in my experience. Lots of “players” (some of whom don’t consider themselves such) are kind, friendly, and even pro-feminist. It depends whether they’re the type of person to see women as “women” or as individuals capable of good and evil same as everyone.

[–]PumpkinspiceZeus691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They key to being successful with women is understanding that the vast majority of them aren't worth the time or effort and to not give a single fuck about them while also treating them relatively the same as you'd treat anyone else. Want girls? Don't treat them special

[–]Nevidimka-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference is habituation. Most women, attractive or not, start to get pursued by happily married, good american family men from age 13 or so. Some will get jaded by this offcourse, most will grow up with this knowledge and learn to separate these men from "all men". Adult women pursuing teenagers happens less, women pursuing men happens less anyway, so the average man will have to become 25 or so and very attractive before he sees these kind of women out in the open. At that age, I guess it's way more of a shock and I could understand how you might feel like it's all fake and all women are like that. But guys seriously we see the exact same things, probably way more often than you! Shitty people are everywhere.

[–]circlhat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men don't hate women, hate is a powerful word that is thrown around to protect a women's ego. If something doesn't go right I will frame whoever I'm in conflict with as a hateful person to validate my insecurities.

Men should not be taught to respect women, but rather to treat women how they feel

[–]superman11451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, they're handsome. Personality is irrelevant for males in life.

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[–]MGTOWtoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having one thing necessitates the other. Women want to be with a leader. A man can’t be a leader if he can’t or won’t put women in their place.

[–]Lonny_zone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

Any man who is one of those chosen men is red-pilled over a certain age, thus deemed "misogynistic" by bloops. Millennials of the chosen type are often the MGTOW variant who still chooses to date.

[–]JustAnotherNorwegian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't call it misogynistic, I'd call it less naive. Lack of success with women very often comes from straight up naive ideas.

The problem is simple. At least to describe. Male superficiality is well understood and almost universally accepted, while female superficiality is denied on many levels.

[–]Asayanora0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it depends on what you mean by success. If you're only in it for quick sex then yes men who don't care what women think (especially young women) are going to do better than someone who is more emphatic. For long term relationships it's not going to go so well.

[–]Offhisgame0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]MaliciousMackPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily. It falls to the ability to say no.

If you don't need someone else, then why worry about giving them special privileges, or leverage in your life?

These men understand rheir value, and know that if someone won't do what they want, another will. This behavior shows value, and consequently, builds attraction.

[–]jerryskids_Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The greatest predictor of most romantic partners is high risk taking as a personality trait.
https://uiowa.edu/crisp/sites/uiowa.edu.crisp/files/9.10.pdf
Furthermore, another study I didn't put the effort into looking up shows that this is a greater predictor of number of romantic relationship partners than is looks or height.
Don't look at mysogyny, once again a sort of social constructivist view.. instead look at levels of dominance and the type of dominance relative to the type of environment the woman developed in as well as overall mental health and personality type.

Calm cool assertive dominance may be more attractive to a woman than is abusive dominance when in one situation she was raised in a healthy, consistently stable environment, as contrasted to an unpredictable environment with an abusive alcoholic father..

So it's dominance, not mysogyny

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