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[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"26 points27 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

bruh, do you even listen to hip hop heavily. Are you involved in the hip hop scene anywhere? Because ime, the stuff that is popular with women, especially women involved in the hip hop scene, is stuff that sounds smoother/more producer focused stuff. People don't listen to lyrics all the time, and therefore, the lyrical content sometimes doesn't matter. Producers are generally underappreciated and can make an artist's career, and that holds true whether that artist is misogynistic, or not.

By your logic, if I listen to Freddie Gibbs rapping about how he robbed someone, I endorse armed robbery. That is a ridiculous-ass argument you used.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

the lyrical content sometimes doesn't matter.

This is just nonsense. If you like a song and play it multiple times you notice the lyrics.

There is a reason Necro's Dead Body Disposal is not #1 in the charts. I love that track, but most people do not want to hear music about how to dismember a smelly corpse.

However it's pretty clear that a lot more people do want to listen to hip-hop and R&B talking about how you can't trust bitches and hoes.

Even the "smooth" stuff you're talking about often shares the same themes in the lyrics, for example The Weeknd has those lovely smooth beats (his shit sounds great when you're rolling) but the lyrics are the same as any big hip-hop song. Can't trust women, showing off wealth, doing drugs, etc.

In fact he even did a whole song about how you can't trust sluts haha.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh it's not until common. As far as smooth stuff though, I was specifically thinking about a couple people when I wrote that. Mostly Smino, because that dude makes fantastic music. And I mean, sometimes people notice the lyrics, but lyrics can definitely be easily ignored for sure depending on what you listen to. Me listening to Illmatic is very different from me listening to like, something by Mint Condition, or something.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you just listen to a song on the radio now and then I get you, you probably won't notice the lyrics too much and it'll be censored anyway. Or if it's played in the background in a shop or whatever, same deal.

Funnily enough I've heard a few songs with lyrics about abusing pharmaceuticals... played on a loop in the pharmacy. So that's probably a good example haha.

But when you actually like an artist, listen to their latest album, pick out the tracks you like for your playlist, and actually listen to that music yourself, it's a different thing you know? If you're listening to a certain artist because you're a fan, you're going to notice the lyrics, and probably notice themes in those lyrics.

I used The Weeknd as an example because it was like that for me, when I just heard his tracks played here and there I never thought too much about the lyrics, I just enjoyed the beats. But then I got into his music properly and began listening to more of it and I naturally started singing along in my head, noticing the lyrics.

And obviously it depends on the genre as well, some genres the lyrics jump out at you more than others and I definitely think hip-hop is one of them. How many people were singing along to "pop a molly I'm sweatin'" when that was new? And I'm listening to Post Malone right now singing "I been fucking hoes and popping pillies man I feel just like a rockstar!"

A lot of hip-hop has a minimal beat and focuses on the vocals, so you naturally are drawn to the lyrics more than you'd be with more melodic music like The Weeknd.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

back to the post .

people who demonize /r/TRP say it's because it's filled with misogyny

these same people have no problem with misogyny in rap.

i'm not saying they like misogyny . I'm saying the fact that they listen to rap proves they don't really care about misogyny.

So if they don't care about misogyny why do they hate /r/TRP?

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, TRP sucks because it is full of misogyny and garbage.

What genre of music someone listens to doesn't invalidate the literal fact that a sub where a post called "women are shit" is upvoted is misogynistic.

Believe it or not, someone can absolute love a culture and not be a fan of certain aspects of parts of it anyway. Also, the people who talk most about misogyny as a cultural issue won't be the ones listening to that type of music in the first place, generally.

[–]Young_Oryx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

people demonize r/TRP because they say it's filled with misogyny. these same people have no issue with the misogyny in rap.

Says who? I have a huge problem with both. We can take that even further: I have an issue with most of the music they play on the top 40 radio stations, because it promotes terrible messages. Mainstream pop music isn't actually any better than mainstream rap. It tends to glorify drug use, greed, revenge, and unhealthy sexuality. This is why I don't listen to the radio.

That said, I enjoy hip hop music, so I make it a point to only listen to Christian hip hop and rap: all the great elements of the genre with none of the harmful messages or misogyny.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have an issue with most of the music they play on the top 40 radio stations

Same here, but my reasoning is a bit different, haha. I tend to listen to stuff that is super niche, or local, and that sound and style of production is the polar opposite of quite literally everything on most radio stations.

I find that in that scene, and at least in my local hip hop scene, the culture is markedly more progressive than people usually associate with hip hop.

[–]Young_Oryx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You would get along with my husband! He's a huge music guy but he hates 99% of mainstream music, mostly because he thinks the quality is terrible.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha maybe so. I am very into hip hop in general, so I do listen to a lot of mainstreamish stuff anyway. I think my taste is pretty heavily colored by the fact that my friends are musicians though.

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In CHH, dudes brag about loving Jesus and being loyal to their wives. It's pretty great cringy.

FTFY

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

people who demonize /r/TRP say it's because it's filled with misogyny

these same people have no problem with misogyny in rap.

How do you know that these are the same people?

i'm not saying they like misogyny . I'm saying the fact that they listen to rap proves they don't really care about misogyny.

What if they listen to rap that isn't misogynistic? There's plenty of socially progressive rap even though you don't listen to it

So if they don't care about misogyny why do they hate /r/TRP?

Because your arguments don't make any logical sense.

[–]Jammerly1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It only proves they don’t care about misogyny toward black women. Its yet another way for whites to be covertly racist.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You've made this argument before but white rappers say the same shit.

Eminem literally has multiple songs about rape.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20170 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But he makes fun of himself and his own family - that’s specific people. And even so, he WAS repeatedly called out by mainstream media and controversial bc of his anti gay and misogynist lyrics. Which again, demonstrates the double standard in how you’re allowed to talk about white women vs black women and white gays vs black gays for that matter.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He got more media attention because he was more popular among kids of the middle classes back in the 90's and early 2000's than black rappers, let's be real. These days all the white kids listen to rap but that wasn't always the case. Hip-hop was more underground and it was Eminem who popularised it.

And I only use Eminem as an example because he's the most popular. Today there are a lot of white rappers (especially the "Soundcloud rappers") who still call women bitches and hoes.

Also, these days black rappers are called out by the media now that they're more popular and mainstream. XXXTentacion (R.I.P.) and Kodak Black for example have been flamed in the media for mistreating women.

So your narrative that no one cares about black women kinda falls apart there.

[–]auto-xkcd375 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good bot.

[–]HighwindMark20 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Depends on which Rap. Drake is pretty feminist except for his hiding a child and pornstar baby mother. Drake is also the number one rapper.

His colleague The Weeknd is dark shit but women don't seem to listen to his lyrics, all they care about his haunting voice and great production.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I consider Drake and The Weeknd to be Pop rap/Pop r&b respectively. The more local you get, the more the message kinda pushes progressive boundaries imo. That's just from the musicians I am friends with though. Production tracks similarly too imo.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a good thread. Kiss Land is a sick tune (and album). Lyrics are definitely dark.

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[–]Arnold_Biscotti-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right "bruh" because in the club all the females are beatboxing along to the beat or humming to the instruments instead of just repeating the chorus "THESE HOES AINT LOYAL". Lmao.

f I listen to Freddie Gibbs rapping about how he robbed someone, I endorse armed robbery.

This is exactly OP's point. Rap and Freddie Gibbs are "cool"; so it's okay for the average person to listen to this type of music. I bet if some weird skinny white kid came up to you and said he wants to kill his mom (basically every Eminem song ever written) you would freak, and probably call him weird or psycho, then call the cops. But when a cool rapper says it, it's okay because "haha its just art bro lighten up lol".

[–]yaseedog will hunt12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

this argument is the equivalent of saying I support the mob because I enjoyed watching the sopranos

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who do you consider more likable: Tony Soprano or Walter White?

[–]yaseedog will hunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm inclined to say tony just based on the relative charisma of the characters but I honestly have not watched that much of the sopranos

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.29 points30 points  (78 children) | Copy Link

Reddit is filled with nerds and nerdy subreddits that don’t get the pushback that TRP does though......

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

so if women have a problem with misogyny

why do they love rap?

[–]drebunny20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You're not only ham-fistedly generalizing "all women" but also generalizing "all rap". Some of the most popular rap right now is very socially conscious - Kendrick Lamar, Childish Gambino, etc. I mean seriously, Kendrick Lamar just won the Pulitzer for his most recent album which was the #2 most popular album in 2017.

And out of the other artists that maybe aren't creating any sort of social critique, how many of them actually have misogynistic messages in their songs? It exists, sure, but I think you'll find rap as a whole is significantly less mysogynistic than you think.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's really been something that has faded out of popularity in the last decade, along with homophobia as well. That has been something super noticeable to me.

[–]drebunny3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, like if we were taking about 90s-early 2000's rap it would be a different story, but modern rap has changed a lot from that

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and the rap that is misogynistic doesnt prove anything.

similar to the fact that some male rappers rap about violence towards women, but this doesnt prove that all men support violence towards women.

[–]mistercheeez-o____O-4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kendrick Lamar, Childish Gambino, etc

I would not call that socially conscious.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment13 points14 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Who said women, particularly feminists that care about misogyny, like rap music?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

most young women like rap music

what you're saying is most young women don't care about misogyny

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

most young women like rap music

According to whom?

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[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

And what evidence that this is being pushed by women and not men? Or men and women equally?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

women give these rappers their money.

they certainly support it.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

women give these rappers their money.

Sure, some.

they certainly support it.

Your claim was that it's most women. Even if rap is the most popular genre, that's not evidence that most women, or even mostly women, support it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A musical stage is like a candy bar, much improved without the rapper.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because (I seriously don't know why I even have to explain this) they aren't a hivemind.

The women that enjoy misogynistic lyrics clearly aren't the same women as those that complain about it.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

stay tuned for tomorrow question "women say they _____ but why do they also ______??"

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tomorrow? You're giving these people too much credit.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t know, I am not sure it’s THE number one music genre for young women everywhere but I mean it’s party music, I doubt people are running around taking it 100% seriously.

Why don’t non-TRP nerdy subreddits get the hate TRP does if it’s really about “nerds” (PS not all terpers are “nerds” anyway).

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

right? /r/pcmasterrace is extremely nerdy and that place is fantastic.

[–]apube5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I love rap, but not the misogyny in it. But I also don't take it seriously. I like not giving a fuck and belting out some of the ridiculous lines. I realize that most of my favorite rappers probably aren't good people, but I love the sound of their music so I listen to it. I enjoy the over the top braggadocio, and recognize it for what it is.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

you see.

so how am i supposed to take women who complain about misogyny seriously when they support men who spread misogyny in their music ?

You frequent /r/TwoXChromosomes and that's all the do. (i'm exaggerating)

it's very clear women don't care about misogyny

[–]apube12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because if I were to boycott every form of media that has something misognyistic/bigoted in some way, I wouldn't have anything left to enjoy. When women speak out, they want to continue to enjoy the things they like, but with less misogyny. Nothing is perfect, and at the end of the day, I'm gonna live my life and try not to let the world bother me too much.

Many women have been fighting misogyny for decades, some dedicated their careers to this. Clearly some do care.

[–]lyndasmelody19953 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There are misogynistic messages in EVERYTHING. I can count on one hand the amount of times I watched a tv show that didn't have misogynistic jokes on one hand. Same with the radio. If I boycotted everything with misogynistic messages I would have to spend all my time staring at a wall.

[–]PublicDonkey1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you see misogyny in EVERYTHING, the problem is you and your victim complex.

[–]lyndasmelody19952 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's the problem, not the rampant sexism in pretty much all forms of media. It's my victim complex. /s. The Big bang Theory is one of the most popular shows on television right now, and it does not treat women well: Penny exists in that show as a pretty girl for the geeks to gawk over. Bernadette is a scientist, but shes given a squeaky voice, floral dresses and a good girl Catholic personality to make her seem less smart. That actress does not talk like that, that was a conscious decision. She takes on all responsibilty for her husband, and basically becomes his mom. Amy is also a scientist, and they make her look as frumpy as possible, and unlike Bernadette she says smart things and is shown working in a lab. Amy is constantly made fun of for not being attractive. She also has a very cold personality. She is basically the personification of the sexist stereotype of women in science. Don't even get me started on the sexist jokes. Tv has gotten much better, but it still has a long way to go.

[–]PublicDonkey0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Plenty of shows and commercials make men look like absolute idiots who wouldn't be able to tie their laces without their strong, level headed and responsible wife.

Even in the big bang theory, all the male characters are absolute betas without an once of masculinity.

[–]lyndasmelody19954 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And that's a problem too. They don't cancel each other out. Bringing up the issues with male portrayal doesn't just make the issues with female portrayal go away. That isn't how things work.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If people have a problem with people killing and mutilating other people, why do they watch horror?

If people have a problem with pedophilia, why have so many people read (and enjoyed) Nabokov's book "Lolita"?

If people are so against bullying and (domestic) abuse, why does it keep occurring in everything from movies, to literature, to plays?

Your argument is incredibly flawed.

A musical piece consists of a lot of things, the lyrics only being a small part of it. People could easily like every other aspect of rap and therefore be willing to tolerate the lyrics. Or, you know, what people look for in entertainment is in no way a reflection of their actual real life values.

Not minding something in entertainment is not the same as being okay with it happening in society.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Several subs have been banned

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Which particularly nerdy subs have been banned?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, incels obviously. And a few i liked.

Miss fat people hate

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not especially nerdy topics, they weren’t banned for being nerdy.

[–]ClassicPilot 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If anyone says that they hate TRP because of misogyny, they lack any ounce of critical thinking.

Misogyny is the hatred/comtempt of women. Preferring younger women is not hating women. Trying to sleep with women is not hating women. Trying to improve yourself for the purpose of being attractive to women is not hating women. Preferring skinny women is not hating women.

Misogyny now means anything that could be offensive to women. It is largely a shaming tactic against men who have preferences that could hurt the fee-fees.

I'm not saying misogyny doesn't exist. But that TRP is misogynistic? Please gtfo~

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying misogyny doesn't exist. But that TRP is misogynistic (hates women)? Please gtfo~

Read the sidebar.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

I mean you’re gonna have to kick a few of your own of your club then as several of them will openly admit that TRP is “misogynistic” although they do not always point to some specific definition.

[–]ClassicPilot 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't particularly care what other people's made up definitions mean.

[–]wekacuckstupid buggy bot4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

What's your personal definition of misogyny?

[–]ClassicPilot 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Use a dictionary. How is it a "personal" thing?

[–]wekacuckstupid buggy bot9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Dictionary definitions consider the following to be misogyny:

  1. Women aren't good for anything but sex

  2. You should never trust a woman

  3. Woman are all slut and whores

  4. Never commit to women

  5. Women aren't loyal

  6. Never respect women

All of these are found in the sidebar and TRP itself. If you're even half familiar with the sidebar you can easily find the corresponding Rollo, let alone the other sidebar items. Which of the six items above you claiming are absent in TRP or the sidebar?

But then you said you don't care "what other people's made up definitions mean" which means you personally disagree with the above being misogynistic. So I'm asking what you mean.

[–]ClassicPilot 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You're the type to take AWALT to mean literally every single woman on the planet.

Those are stereotypes to make a point. Most TRP readers understand this.

[–]wekacuckstupid buggy bot7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Most TRP comments also say these things.

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[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's still misogynistic to believe that it's female nature to be mentally handicapped, illogical, Macheviallian, immature and illogical even if you believe that not all women are governed by their female nature to the same degree.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Ok man I’m just saying there are plenty of terpers themselves who will say this, I think even a TRP mod told me that once like years ago when I first started posting here.

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[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I am not cherry picking. I did not go and do some search to find terpers saying this, that mod was literally responding to me. I am just pointing out that your own camp is not in agreement here, so for you to blame others as “lacking critical thinking” for believing this to be the case is not really a fair criticism IMO. Not everyone red pills the same way. It’s amoral after all so you can decide for yourself.

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[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.7 points8 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

He didn’t say he was a misogynist IIRC, he said TRP is. Here is another comment I saw linked the other day from a TBP post with a similar sentiment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8mt8xg/comment/dzqsfoh?st=JILWUHOY&sh=39d4d6df

I'm trying to get you to understand that the majority of advice that TRP gives, regardless of individual beliefs of every single member, does not imply "hating women".

If you really want to know my personal opinion, seeing as how I haven’t even given it yet, I think you have it backwards. TRP promotes a LOT of contempt for women BUT individual members probably do not fervently hate women by and large. Even the ones who say a lot of misogynistic things I think a lot of the time are playing up a manospherian caricature.

They even give reasons for this, ie it’s necessary so noobs can truly take women off the pedestal, it’s just a part of the anger phase and they are supposed to move past it, etc.

I have spent too much time with too many self-proclaimed RPers to believe they are all die hard woman hating nuts. They aren’t, there are plenty of terps who don’t hate women, there are plenty who seem like perfectly fine, reasonable human beings too. OTOH I have seen too much of “the red pill” to naively say it doesn’t promote or inspire contempt/anger/whatever you want to call it towards women.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If anyone says that they hate TRP because of misogyny, they lack any ounce of critical thinking.

that's exactly what they say tho

[–]Son_of_Tzu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assuming that gender politics have no place in videogame culture, it is far more likely that sexists (misandrists and mysoginists alike) frequent these subs without expressing these views.

That's actually how i made friends with people who happened to be rather PC leaning and still enjoy them despite our political differences.

[–]Son_of_Tzu0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Assuming that gender politics have no place in videogame culture, it is far more likely that sexists (misandrists and mysoginists alike) frequent these subs without expressing these views.

That's actually how i made friends with people who happened to be rather PC leaning and still enjoy them despite our political differences.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah possibly. I don’t really know I’m not involved in video game culture you tell me.

[–]Son_of_Tzu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All i'm saying is that you don't really spread your political views when discussing how to easily kill a boss in an mmo.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This view assumes that the same women complaining about TRP are also the ones who enjoy listening to rap music and who pay attention to the lyrics.

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[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Otherwise, the question is why the subset of people who are criticizing TRP aren't criticizing rap music, instead.

How do you know that those people who criticize TRP aren't also criticizing rap music? Even if they aren't criticizing it because TRP is easier to target, I can't imagine that the same people posting on TBP are also fans of misogynist lyrics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

who pay attention to the lyrics.

i do.

[–]KerPop42Neo was trans8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

One of my coworkers listens to rap but I've never heard her play anything misogynist. Just like how I like country/folk but not the sexist parts.

Also, that doesn't track with other, nerdier subreddits I follow like worldbuilding or kerbalspaceprogram.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Also, that doesn't track with other, nerdier subreddits I follow like worldbuilding or kerbalspaceprogram.

so what's the problem with /r/TRP then?

cause women very clearly don't give a shit about misogyny

is the problem that nerds are trying to get laid?

[–]KerPop42Neo was trans9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, your source is that women don't care about misogyny because rap exists?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

not because rap exists.

because rap is so popular with women.

if women have such a problem with misogyny why aren't they boycotting rap?

[–]philomexaIF THE POISON WON'T TAKE YOU MY DOGS WILL12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

because rap is so popular with women.

Rap is popular with a subset of the young woman population, however your sexual interest in this subset blinds you to the X population of young women who do not listen to or like rap. Therefore you premise, that young women's complaints of misogyny are nullified because of their fondness for rap is a bunch of correlative bullshit.

if women have such a problem with misogyny why aren't they boycotting rap?

Just like a subset of young women like rap, a subset of young (and older women) rail against rap. A sizable faction of feminism in the 90's had a revival around condemning rap.

But again, your penis doesn't care about Gen x feminist (and her millennial acolytes) so nothing else in this world exists besides your lazy bias.

[–]KerPop42Neo was trans5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Rap isn't popular with women, though. Especially misogynistic rap

[–]mwait1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OPs argument and line of reasoning is pretty comical, but sorry man... That is just false.

[–]tickledpic22 points23 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

This sounds like a nerd somewhat hatefuly complaining about how women don't like nerds

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[–]tickledpic2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

His point is that you can take the same content and it will be received differently depending on who delivers it, even if the content is degrading. To that I conceed, but it means something different than what OP is insinuating.

Those rappers have fame, confidence and all the rest of the good stuff. They embody traits that women admire and feel a desire for. That's why when they rap about "fucking some bitches" or something to that sort, women hear it with a positive spin of "yea, I would like to feel so free and confident and fuck some hot guys". When some pimple face, hateful nerd says it they hear the actual content plus the social rejects wibe.

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[–]TheWhitestOrca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the point is that OP needs to adapt. He doesn’t have the fame or fortune to get away with being misogynistic.

[–]tickledpic-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the nerd seems offended by it. Instead of changing himself, he blames women and wants women to "get it" and change to his liking. Thus, I can't agree with him, in part, because I don't want his lameness to rub off on me (effectively doing the same thing women do).

So we come to the conclusion that it's not women behaving this way, it's people in general.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm just glad we can agree women don't like nerds

Some people on this sub claim women select for intelligence still

[–]tickledpic0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nerd doesn't equal intelligent. But yes, intelligence would be more selected for a friend not a sexual partner.

At the same time, long term sexual partnership involves friendship, so it does come into play. But in the one dimensional aspect of "who turns me on" it's all about primal attraction. And that's also the case only if we don't start playing with definitions like social inteligence.

[–]PeskyPapayablue1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nerd doesn't equal intelligent.

I thought it did, or am I getting geek and nerd mixed up? Or are those synonyms?

[–]YetAnotherCommenterPurple Pill Man, Sexual Economics Theory1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Social awkwardness/atypicality is necessary for nerd-ness.

[–]xKalistoSAHM of Yurop0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll take nerds over hardcore TRP any day.

Nerds are just shy and I hope they'll find a nice girl one day. But lot of the TRP's Ferengi-style attitudes towards women are just turn off.

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[–]tickledpic-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The position from which one makes the argument is also attack worthy.

Stop being a lame nerd and there will be no need to make such weird arguments. You can still be a cool nerd. Many women like those. Because confidence and self-assurence are the qualities that attract women. It's not the asshole behaviour that makes women swoon, it's the strong personality traits behind them.

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because confidence and self-assurence are the qualities that attract women. It's not the asshole behaviour that makes women swoon, it's the strong personality traits behind them.

This doesn't actually mean anything.

[–]tickledpic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It does if you know what it means, lol. I can clarify\expand, just point to what are you not understanding there.

[–]catemlBlue Pill Woman13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are some pretty giant.... they're not even logical leaps, more like logical pole vaults over the abyss.
'If all that is x is y, then y is s, because s is also a letter'.

Reddit loooooves itself some socially awkward nerds. Because it attracts the kind of people who like to say things on the internet but are too scared to do it on stuff linked to 'social media' because that is too much like talking in real life.... because that is scary and people might look at you and oh my god.
If you look at posts on big subreddits (askreddit etc.), someone sharing a personal story about being quiet and struggling and unsure what to do gets massive number of upvotes and replies giving advice and support. Reddit as a whole is super empathetic towards quiet nerds and practically fetishises the quiet nerd to functioning beefy successful person path, because its what we all want.

r/niceguys is about laughing at how ironic it is when someone is one minute talking about how they're the one considerate gentleman left in the world and the next screaming 'HOPE YOU GET RAPED, WHORE'. The irony being that telling people you hope they get raped isn't really the behaviour of a nice person, so this original statement of being such is a comedically bad self deception or ruse.
If you've been to that subreddit, looked down the top posts/front page and honestly believe that its 'about making fun of socially awkward nerds'.... that may be a chip on your shoulder talking, because it really isn't.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20173 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No Rap is allowed to be misogynist because it’s directed toward black women, make no mistake. If it were mostly white girls being called out their name there would be problems, but rappers mostly shit on black women so no one cares. It’s 100% white pathology, as they are the majority consumers.

[–]quicklogaccountI claim to cause RPs to feel blue2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not quite. Reddit doesn't hate nerds, otherwise the many other nerdy subs would get hatred.
Reddit hates nerds that don't willingly mark themselves out of the gene pool or want to do things they don't believe nerds should do. Which is basically how things are all around.

[–]monkeysinmypocket2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to PPD, home of the massive and groundless generalization.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ever heard of the "bro country" controversy? Certain country artists (think Luke Bryan and Florida Georgia line) came under fire for allegedly sexist lyrics that seem to even invoke date rape in some cases. They're not nerds by any stretch of the imagination. Plenty of women love them, but they still got backlash.

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Am a woman. I hate rap. I am a nerd so I have nerd guy friends.

I hate TRP because it treats women like lab rats and not people.

[–]VoidInvincibleFull Measure2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't change your view. I have been saying this for a long time. "These Hoes Ain't Loyal" by Chris Brown! Bitches love Chris Brown

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

about everything thread is the corniest, pun-filled, lamest shit I've ever seen.

another weak, petty attack because we're exposing female's true nature. either women scared of that, or a valiant white knight defend the womens

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rappers get away with saying what TRP says because the left can't stand to criticize black men.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL, no.

Lots of reddits are full of nerds. r/gaming is full of nerds.

Reddit hates TRP because it is full of angry, resentful, misogynistic, wanna-be sociopaths.

Also you can't compare art and real life. I watch a lot of violent movies and I've never killed anyone. But if I constantly posted on a subreddit asking for advice on how to kill people IRL, that would be different than watching art and media about it. Same with rap vs TRP.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good distinction on the art thing. I too also like violent movies but would never condone it IRL lol.

[–]Ultramegasaurus7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A better analogy would be video games vs Rap music.

Video games have been massively invaded by feminists pushing their agendas, they openly state that the "white male nerd" is a thorn in their side because they and their games are "misogynist". Yet Rap music is left alone.

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apparently feminists already tried pushing their agenda on rap in the 90s.

they failed lol

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How did they fail? Modern rap is generally much less misogynistic and homophobic than a decade ago.

[–]tiger1296A little bit of both8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

/r/trp is full of social retards trying to justify misogyny because they're too incompetent to actually function like a normal adult. Apart from the self improvement mantra, everything else they spew is complete trash.

That's why they're hated, because irl they're all neckbeards fantasising about what they "deserve", not because they're "nerds". I mean have you read some stuff they post? Might as well be secondary school english literature level stuff

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your post really reads as if you hate nerds.

[–]tiger1296A little bit of both-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't hate nerds, nerds and neckbeards are too different things. What I do hate is entitled brats who whine when they clearly are the issue and not someone else.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

reddit hates TRP because most male redditors are white knight NiceGuy soyboys who get destroyed in the real world sexual marketplace by RP type assholes. and most female redditors are unattractive low-SMV nerd women who get completely ignored by popular, high SMV guys in real life.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnarchy/comments/6807pn/why_i_will_never_attend_a_reddit_meetup/

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahahahahahaha!!

[–]monkeysinmypocket2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But I thought the big problem you guys had was that even "low smv" women were being shagged by Chad, leaving nothing for anyone one else?

Get your story straight.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

what do you mean "you guys"?

i dont have any problems fucking high smv women.

incels complain because the mediocre 5/10 fugly but still maybe fuckable girls would rather get pumped and dumped by Chad than date them, but incels aren't RP.

i think most reddit women are more like 3s or 4s who are completely unfuckable by anyone.

[–]monkeysinmypocket-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why are you even here then? Surely you know everything you need to know about the "SMP"? Isn't your time as an "alpha male" more precious?

And perhaps Chad is more fun? Perhaps he doesn't believe women should be in actual sex slavery (a common incel theme). Perhaps incels should be looking inwards instead of outwards for the cause of their problems? A revolutionary idea I know...

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are you even here then?

because this is a debate sub sweetie.

Surely you know everything you need to know about the "SMP"?

i can still educate the ignorant and uninformed

Isn't your time as an "alpha male" more precious?

i multitask and shitpost here while i am also sitting on a toilet taking an actual shit

And perhaps Chad is more fun?

Chad is fun, that's why women want to fuck him.

Perhaps he doesn't believe women should be in actual sex slavery (a common incel theme).

probably not. but why are you so obsessed with incels?

Perhaps incels should be looking inwards instead of outwards for the cause of their problems?

yes obviously. everyone who isn't an incel knows this.

A revolutionary idea I know...

you're not nearly as clever as you think you are. your arguments or insults or trolling or whatever the fuck it is you're trying to do doesn't even make sense because you really don't know anything about RP. you're just overly emotional for some reason and arguing against assumptions and caricatures that only exist in your head. so just calm down and stop posting because it's only making you look bad.

[–]monkeysinmypocket-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pffft. RP, incel, MGTW, it's all on the same spectrum. It's all has the same rotten core.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Nah, pretty sure it’s all the misogyny.

[–]lyndasmelody19951 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You, I like you.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I hate when pieces like this are treated like these feelings are what all women feel. I fucking hate the Notebook.

I like you, too.

[–]lyndasmelody1995-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Did we just become best friends.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

YUP

[–]lyndasmelody19950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hooray!

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It is the most popular genre among young women. All the girls at my school love rap.

Mm... no.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-asks-what-is-americas-favorite-music-genre/

Your argument has broken down.

Your view is largely due to really poor sampling - a huge selection bias.

Nothing more needs to be said here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

popular music is also misogynistic

[–]friendships4everyoneBlue (Purple Leaning) Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference is that your the misogyny on TRP isn't accompanied with a sick beat. (That was a joke).

Not all rap is misogynistic, and even when it is I can enjoy the other aspects of the song without indulging in the ideologies behind the lyrics. Additionally, while philosophies in media definitely have an affect on the way people are, the delivery is for the most part far more passive and casual, it does not take itself as seriously as TRP. Also I doubt most women on TBP or who dislike TRP would fuck Chris Brown or other men who have proven to disrespect women.

Trust me, I have met none of you, I don't think you are nerds (though I like nerds and people who are passionate about something other than themselves), because I don't know anything about any of you. I don't love TRP purely because I have a different opinion than many of the users on it as far as I can tell. I think the rhetoric there can be very hateful and bitter. I sympathize for your struggles, I do not sympathize with how you are harnessing and perceiving those struggles. I think their are better solutions that would better support the men there to make connections and build confidence and find happiness.

[–]bunker_man._.1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are making a lot of assumptions. There's a lot of reasons this doesn't lead to the conclusion you imply.

1: Most people don't really give a shit about what lyrics say. They are more window dressing for a tune. People who actually try to get a message out of music from the lyrics alone are often seen as weird.

2: Not all girls are the same girl. So you can't assume that they all like this.

3: you can like a tune while disagreeing with other stuff in it. Maybe you can say they should boycott it anyways, but people don't really tend to expend that much effort.

4: People can think something is hot while not thinking it is literally good. Which is something trp tends to ignore. Tons of people have bdsm or rape fantasies, or think aggressive dangerous people are hot. But smart ones know that you have to balance hotness with reasonableness. And that you can simulate these things without literally being them. In the same way its not hypocritical for people who like bdsm to be against rape, many people like this kind of sexist attitude as a fantasy, but not as a reality. This can go back to point #3 that maybe they shouldn't encourage people who actually take it literal, but regardless it doesn't mean they don't think it being literal is an issue.

5: famous people and gods are similar in people's minds. Same as how people will rationalize that stories about gods doing bad things aren't bad, famous people get a pass in people's mind since they are trained to think hierarchically. This doesn't mean they don't dislike these things. Just that it doesn't register when they are being done by people that people don't think they are allowed to judge.

6: racist or not, a lot of people just assume that a lot of black people don't know any better. So they assume that they can't hold these standards to them yet even if they want people held to them overall.

There's more, but the point is that there's a lot of reasons this complaint doesn't make sense.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People can think something is hot while not thinking it is literally good. Which is something trp tends to ignore.

That’s actually one of the core ideas of TRP.

[–]IHeartDay91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is about as accurate as saying that people who consume violent media approve of violence irl. Playing gta doesn't mean you want to steal cars and run down sex workers, listening to rap doesn't mean that you think violence against women is peachy. Stuff that would otherwise be abhorrent is enjoyable when we know it's not real. Seriously, your argument is super weak.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't listen to rap and I still hate TRP. What now OP?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

idk

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rap is the most popular genre of music in America.

Really? Totally surprised because I think it's shit. I'd rather listen to country and not much of that.

[–]thereddespair1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

people love winners. life is simple.

its just hard to accept it at times coz for every one successful millionaire rapper there is a million men who make minimum

[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i don't think reddit hates trp for "nerdiness"...um a lot of reddit users are nerdy lol.

i love rap. because its catchy and fun and i can dance to it.

it's misogynist but i dont see the misogyny as directed towards me. the majority of rappers are black guys talking about ethnic groupies so when they say all that misogynist shit its so far removed from anything in my life that idc. as an upwardly mobile white woman raised in the suburbs now living on the UES the "misogyny of hip hop" is irrelevant to me.

so while i definitely don't approve of the messages about women in a lot of hip hop, i'm also not the inner city ethnic babymama and/or groupies these men are predominantly dealing with, so.

women who take issue with trp are women who see themselves reflected in the generalizations and misogyny made about women. we know a lot of these guys are probably from a similar class/enviorment as us so it irks/grosses us out more.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

misogyny is ok when they aren't taking about umc white women.

gotcha

[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i didnt say it was ok i literally said i dont approve of it, can u read

[–]DareyFathom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple. Some demographic groups are more equal than others. RP movement is viewed as being composed largely of straight white men. Which means they score lowest on the victimhood scale; roughly where the Devil reincarnate should be placed. Rap on the other hand, is perceived as representing the voice of the minorities, and the most underprivileged of them in fact.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reddit hates TRP because they are incredibly arrogant about their very incorrect views that come from a place of bitterness. It has nothing to with being nerdy - Reddit has nothing against r/Leagueoflegends for example.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

People don't listen to music for the lyrics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

i do

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay. Most people don't.

[–]Offhisgame0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Migos is so garbage and the young sluts love it

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who?

[–]Offhisgame0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Youtube them. Awful awful music young girls like

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[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If we complain that endorsed contributors and the sidebar always say stuff like "women are mentally handicapped" and "women are mentally like children" this is clearly an attack on nerds and not a genuine complaint about their bitter and misogynistic theories.

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what?

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I don't think it's a great argument to say that if people like a certain art (music, movies, etc) that means they like the artist. On another Reddit thread, people talked about how they are able to separate the art from the artist, so they may like the person's work but they may not like the person or their actions. For your example they may like Chris Brown's music but don't like his violent actions. I think one personal example of this is elementary to high school gradation ceremonies. I live in a black community and R. Kelly's music is typically played, either "I believe I can fly" or "The world's greatest." He was caught on camera having sex with a 13 year old girl. I don't believe the school administration supports his actions but they like his music.

For the music itself and the lyrics, some women have complained about how it's misogynistic. I think rap is popular because its party music. It has a good beat and rhythm. Other popular rap lyrics tend to talk about their money and riches, they can be positive (like Drake), the lyric can be so random (Lil Wayne's music), and today the new rap seems to consist of mumbling (so people may not even know what the lyrics are about).

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i don't get why some people feel the need to downvote this post

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because women hate nerds. Your not wrong. Some guys can say sexist things and get away with it while others can't

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5gtyrd/the_alpha_pass/

attractive men get away with shit women claim they would never put up with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My fwb calls me a douche everyday and said I'm "a little sexist".

[–]VoidInvincibleFull Measure0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I put my professional as "rapper" on Tinder and I already have a hoe down to fuck

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of my favorite rap songs starts off with "Picture this, I'm a bag of dicks, put me to your lips...". Does this mean I endorse doing that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reddit as a whole is nerds. Have you seen any of the meetup pictures lol? None of them played baseball, basketball, football, lacrosse, or hockey in high school. None of them were in frats/sororities in college. All of them dress like shit with their graphic t-shirts, and the love of video games is something I just will not understand.

Obviously this is hyperbole but its mostly true. I genuinely did not know what a reddit was until I randomly stumbled across redpill through some other male focused site I was looking at.

[–]Taipanshimshon 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Not here to change the view but women - people - love a good beat and very rarely do they actually hear what is said when it’s to a danceable beat.

Also. Women are very good at hating other women because of course she is special and wouldn’t get called those names

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Take it to automod.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dammit I thought I had

[–]sometimespredictable 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Good point. Truth is, TRP is full of betas who want to be alphas. I'm not saying this to insult them, most men are born betas me included.

Think, why would a true alpha even bother going on TRP? Maybe he'd make one or two amused psots. But reading and thinknig about and discussing endlessly about relationships is not what an alhpa does.

I don't think it is about "being a nerd". But it is more about betas who try to be alpha. This brings an intense negative reaction.

r/niceguys is similar. Those nice guys are mostly depressed, socially anxious wrecks. They figure they'd play at being "alpha" a little by asking a girl out rather than doing their usual of sitting in the corner and sulking and they get fucking annihilated. (There are also really sick and manipulated dudes posted there as well, don't get me wrong, no sympathy for those)

r/trp is betas who try to play at being alpha as well. They do it more cleverly though. It still gets the negative reaction. Irl some of these dudes can display alpha traits pretty well so they succeed with women and not get a negative reaction.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It mostly looks like you are agreeing with OP, please feel free to repost your comment under the automod or clarify where you are disagreeing with OP. Thanks!

[–]says_harsh_things 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Reddit hates trp because they view it like a bunch of bumbling idiots trying to build a superweapon.

The right guy with 10/10 looks that knows all the right things to say to turn a girls brain into mush and get in her pants represents a risk to women, as women know such a man can fuck whomever he wants with no repercussions. Such a man is rare, very rare, but the men who can do this usually do.

A bunch of stem nerds trying to figure out how to do the same thing shows that said nerds are not happy being subservient pawns. It shows that lots of men, maybe all men, if they could, would hit it and quit it any chance they could get.

Thats an unnerving thought for people.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Take it to automod.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What for? Is this not a cmv?

Im offering a different viewpoint as to the reason reddit dislikes trp.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes it is a CMV. Could you clarify then exactly where you disagree with OP? To me it looks like you are agreeing that people don't like seeing nerds do what attractive men do.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The first time i read it, i thought his point to be "reddit just hates nerdy men [doing anything]".

Reading through it a second time, i can see it going either way - maybe it is 'reddit hates nerdy guys [trying to have power over women]'

Im still not 100% convinced its not the former, because of how much hate in general goes towards men in tech on a variety of topics - men in tech are all mysoginists, modern men are manchildren that play too many video games, men arent inviting women into tech culture....

If its the latter, then i guess i am agreeing, with the nuance that nerdy men acting like attractive men leads to the conclusion that ALL men value women more for sex than everyone sees on the surface, and thats the real issue.

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alt-right trash and closet racists,

this stuff is annoying af

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That's why I'm saying rap is so white now! Real n-words are bumpin Schubert ma gee! 👌👌👌

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One major issue with this argument is that rap music isn’t telling people to behave in a particular way. TRP is.

TRP is directly giving people advice, telling them to go out and treat women like “the oldest teenager in the house,” push through LMR, use dread game, etc.

I don’t think people’s main issue with TRP is that its users say misogynistic things. I think it’s that the sub is telling people to do misogynistic (and even sometimes abusive) things, and celebrating their “successes” in that.

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Holy shit not all rap is about banging hoes and shooting cops. MOST, if not ALL music genres have proportions of problematic music topics. Pop stars, country singers and hard rockers also have problems with violence, drug abuse and relationship problems, are you even paying attention?

Some rap is deeply sensitive, socially aware, and soul-searching. Some rap is naughty and sex positive, in that it's all about being pleasing or loving women. Some is quite filthy (to the delight of many!). Some has nothing to do with sex, violence, or women.

Personally, I loves songs about cities burning to the ground, apocalypse, wolves and dragons devouring mankind, about nihilism and the self-deception of the weak. In my daily life, I'm a colorful, cheerful, tender-hearted hippy dude who loves animals and flowers and shiny things.

Saying someone that likes rap supports misogyny is like saying someone that enjoys playing video games supports mass murder.

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I'm a female nerd who hates misogynist rap (and most rap tbh, it's not my thing) and I hate Chris Brown and everyone like him. Sorry, but just because some women are dumbasses doesn't mean you can act like all women are biased and use double standards.

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black men are cooler than white men. that's why they can get away with saying it.

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I'm pretty sure if you check the Billboard 200 or whatever, the rap songs with misogynist lyrics are vastly outnumbered by those that aren't or those that have nothing to do with men discussing women.

Secondly, a quick internet search reveals that there is plenty of criticism of misogyny in rap (and in other genres, but frankly, hair metal doesn't have the same cache it once did).

Third girls who seem to like misogynist rap music are not the same ones who will criticize it. By "school" the OP could mean girls anywhere from 14 to 22 years old. Younger girls are much less easily offended but tend to get more outrage as they get older, more "educated" and further infected with feminism.

There is also an ethnic aspect. My high school was pretty ghetto but I was more new wave than rap. Still I listened to Sugarhill Gang, Schooly D and a few others. *Nasty As They Wanna Be* didn't come out until I was in college so it remains to be seen how popular it would have been with teenagers. It never got play at any public event in college and if someone even dared to play it on campus at my white bread west coast law school, all hell would have broken loose.

Next, it is basically a uninversal law that women date jerks. Musicians with talent to show off attract women, regardless of jerkdom. Rap artists, regardless of lyrical content if they otherwise have talent and some charisma, get a pass on a lot. I fronted a rock band in my last year of high school and that halo effect went to my head: I became a real jerk, and largely got a pass on it. Of course, I wasn't singing anything more misogynistic than *Flesh for Fantasy*.

Carry this over into TRP and most are not nerds, they are AFCs. There is a large segment of teenage incels who seem to think - unrealistically - that at 16 they should be boning the cheerleader squad. Or at 18 still complaining about not getting laid at all when that is really not so uncommon. There are the college boys, the 20-something working guys, the 30 and 40 something divorcees and otherwise a wide spectrum of ages that aren't getting laid as much as they would like to or have been raked over the coals by one or more women.

TRP gets called out for being misogynist and hateful (Southern Poverty Law Center likened it to neonazi groups at one point). Some of that is justified based on a limited number of posters and various isolated posts. However, a lot of what is called "misogyny" is simply observations, theories, techniques and examples that are inconvenient and uncomfortable for those on the outside, but effective for those members who learn them.

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I don't think you need to provide evidence that TRP is filled with nerds, it's pretty obvious imho. I don't think they care about women that much, they just really like building huge conceptual systems. I mean, have you looked at what Tomassi writes? People who read that definitely like to jerk off to big and complex systems. I'm a nerd myself, and I spend time around nerds, and this is exactly the behaviour they exert.

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Lmao reddit hates something because it's full of nerds!?? You do realize Reddits main demographic are low SMV sexless losers right?

This is the same site that used to bash any post that started with "my girlfriend....". Same site that supports far left loons like Bernie Sanders. The average redditor is a fucking loser, best not to take advice from anyone here until proven otherwise lol

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TRP reforms nerds. I agree to find that sub you are most likely an introverted and sexually frustrated nerd. But quitting things like video games, working out, dieting, focusing on yourself, finding new hobbies, etc. all things TRP teaches are definitely not nerdy. TRP is full of people in different stages of this development. The newbies leave a bad stench but to those who make it successfully through the other side (that is NOT every TRPer. Many stay in the 'mad at women they are so inferior!' phase which is just another trick in itself) are well rounded and likely successful individuals

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Others hate TRP because they are actually much more narrow-minded than they thought. Disagreeing with what is said on TRP is one thing, hating it outright for challenging your (usually preconceived) notions... quite another story.

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