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A lot of feminist thought seems to be based around this notion that men are crapsacks and that women's dating experiences are terrible while most men can barely even get a single partner.


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[–]planejaneRemove head from sphincter, THEN type. 30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Same as men dating the hot/crazy girl.

What's always amusing to me is how blind some folks are to their own choices-there's one active RP user here whose comment I have saved where he describes the batshit stuff his GF puts him through. And of course he doesn't like using condoms. And of course he ascribes to all women the characteristics of this crazy female he's chosen.

It's not a male/female issue, it's a poor choices issue.

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[–]xrorox_rp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

AWALT is only valid for incentives about sexual strategy. That mean that a woman having the opportunity to cheat with a higher SMV man will consider it at a subconcious level. That don't mean she will cheat. But she may behave differently because of it though.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

except you can get a college degree by studying feminism and be a PhD.

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Yep even I'll agree to that.

I may love me some crazy girls but at least I'll admit the constant in all of that is me because I'm attracted to them, I'm not solipsistic about it.

There's plenty of guys who make the same mistake over and over again and don't learn the red flags and are unwilling to admit the fault lies with them.

Same goes for the women in OP's scenario, the world is just full of people who don't like to take responsibility for their own decisions and gender does not matter here.

[–]HiDefFX 0 points1 point  (31 children) | Copy Link

I really don't understand why the "women want bad boys" script is still around. How would define a bad boy? Majority of men are not in and out of the prison system, or would put vandalism as a hobby.

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[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ugh story of my fucking life

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[–]HiDefFX -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They are independent and live for themselves, sometimes they drink too much and use drugs. The nights out with them are fun.

I don't see any of these as "bad", maybe the perception is skewed depending on whether or not you do it. Someone who owns an apartment, smokes weed, goes clubbing and gets drunk could fit this description, which I would argue is just early adult life for those who have the capital. I would definitely agree with you that they would be more appealing to women because they are exciting, but not bad boys.

There are little spats which provide drama.

If you are talking about verbal arguements, I would say that this is typical of any two people. If you are talking something more severe then I would say that they would be inherently bad.

I'm not gonna make any assumptions on your sister, but I honestly think that there is a difference between the variances of a bad boy, based on who is looking at it.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Your missing the unstable factor. The intense highs and lows that form that desire. It’s the drama, the mystery and the constant guessing that also attracts these types. Think of an interesting movie. It’s more interesting if it keeps you guessing, and evokes emotions like fear/tension as well as a thrill.

Bad boys means unhealthy relationship types. Not all rule breakers need a criminal record. Social rule breakers exist too.

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Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. The instability is the draw in both "bad boys" and "crazy girls" because chasing the highs and lows is just as addictive as drugs.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You'd know all about that haha

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😉

[–]couldbemage 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing creates intense desire like intermittent acknowledgement.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on your attachment style IMO. Secure types seem to lose interest quickly.

[–]couldbemage 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because it's true.

Most women have enough good judgement to avoid felons, but there is lot of space between a "loyal and responsible provider" and "repeat felon".

I'm a forty-ish risk taker with a just out of high school income, I don't do monogamy, and I hurt people for fun. (Though I am responsible enough to keep that to appropriate venues, ie combat sports and dungeons.)

[–]HiDefFX 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

forty-ish risk taker with a just out of high school income, I don't do monogamy, and I hurt people for fun. (Though I am responsible enough to keep that to appropriate venues, ie combat sports and dungeons.)

This sounds more exciting than bad.

Risk taking is not bad. Risk taking is encouraged if it pushes you to success or fulfillment.

Combat sports are just that, sport. Any boxer, UFC Fighter, Wrestler is a bad boy? What about any contact sport that requires physicality?

What is inherently bad about this?

[–]couldbemage 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know how many times I've heard women tell me they wouldn't let their husband ride a motorcycle? Lots of people think risk taking is bad.

And yes, a boxer is badder than an accountant.

Not being able to grasp shades of nuance is a problem.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guy shes dating that smacks her butt and gives her a kiss? Definitely an asshole. A gentleman would never approach m'lady in such a disrespectful manner.

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A guy doesn't have to be a jailbird or a thug or a street punk to be a "bad boy" (though that helps).

To women, "asshole" and "bad boy" =

--he doesn't do what I want him to do, when I want him to do it

--he won't commit to me

--he won't get a job and "step up" and "man up" and start providing for me the way I want

--he does what he wants with little to no regard for what I want

--he's unreliable, he's unstable, I can't count on him to 'be there for me'

--he doesn't listen to me

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

--he doesn't do what I want him to do, when I want him to do it

--he does what he wants with little to no regard for what I want

--he doesn't listen to me

these are THE biggest factors IMO. everyone here has gotten the impression that i date cartoon bad boy criminal caricatures, no. the ONLY thing all my BFs and my H had in common was this factor

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And for all the complaining women do about men like this, they just absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE men like this. Women absolutely love men who disregard their opinions and do what they want when they feel like it.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

why is anyone paying attention to complaining? all human traits are like a coin with two sides. everyone wants the good positive side of the coin and complains about the bad negative side.

i wish one day you could explain to me why people are paying attention to the opposite sex's complainings, i dont understand it

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Ive told you why, many times. It's the upbringing and training many men received from their parents, teachers, and every other adult around them. I'm just not going to lay it out in detail because I've already done that many times.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's the upbringing and training many men received from their parents, teachers, and every other adult around them.

oh, maybe i never understood that was explaining why men go around seeking out articles of women complaining and listening to women complain

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We're not understanding each other. That explains why men RESPOND to women complaining when they have a relationship or want a relationship with a woman who's complaining.

Men on PPD seek out articles of women complaining and listen to women complain because they like arguing about it and analyzing it.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

And to confirm their bias that women are complainers, thus adding to the BS "upbringing" they claim was bad for them.

Why wallow?

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Women absolutely love men who disregard their opinions and do what they want when they feel like it.

i think men misunderstand this. women don't want a man who completely disregards their feelings. they just dont' want a man to enter their frame and become supplicating.

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Because the guys are better looking and do better with women.

Men aren't born assholes, they just know what they can get away with. Most people test their boundaries, and not everyone has the same boundaries in life.

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But that doesn't explain why being an asshole makes you do better in and of itself

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Because it doesn't.

Being a spineless bitch is unattractive, but guys who are assholes can get away with a whole range of behaviors.

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women usually only notice the top men, and as these men have dozens of women available, they become assholes by being selfish... in focusing their own pleasure

men who are not assholes are for the most part unnoticed and some increase their value becoming assholes.

technically it is systemic but it is systemic to their own view. the non ashole she calls friends or do not even notice they exist...

wanna proof? ask her who she knows are asholes, then look for them on social media, they surely are 8/10s or more.

and ask her who she thinks are not asholes, she probably will say the men in her family which are not 8/10 and her "male friends"

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You aren’t inaccurate. Men also chase Stacy who spends lots of money on her looks. Makeup, facials, hair color, plastic surgery, expensive clothing and jewelry. I live in the south, trust me, that look isn’t cheap. Then they are surprised when that beautiful, feminine, high maintenance belle dumps them when they lose their job.

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I live in the south... hemisphere... I know these women are expensive, but men will hit in anything that moves, and some that dont too... yet crom the ugly girls of the favela to the rich old lady of the eich areas... all behave similarly.

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yeah most woman are selfish by default but I am only explaining from their point of view how can the saying "men are asholes" exist. and how it makes sense when you consider who they perceive and who don't.

Also there are some really selfish asholes who are selfish above women's default characteristics, like using physical violence, which again, is a matter of women perspective. She thinks that she has no other choices because she can't see and/or accept the other choices.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole! 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This exactly. If a woman describes a guy as a douche or asshole it is giving him a certain position of power. He almost certainly is attractive and she would absolutely fuck him. If she describes someone as nice then he almost certainly is a beta loser she wouldn't touch

[–]concacanca 52 points53 points  (50 children) | Copy Link

You think women are choosing to date assholes or just the hot, fun guy who turns out later to not be a great bf?

[–]Jex117 48 points49 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I have a pretty big circle of friends - I've personally seen women flock to the assholes in my circle. This one particular douche is a full blown club guido, spends every weekend at the clubs, as well as half his week nights. He's the epitome of a redpill douche, but the reality is it works really well.

In a lot of ways I hate being around the guy. He's such a tool, an open douchebag, yet I've seen women throw themselves at him and shun the man he's picking on as a means of bolstering himself. It works. It's shameful and cringy but it works.

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

He's such a tool, an open douchebag, yet I've seen women throw themselves at him and shun the man he's picking on as a means of bolstering himself. It works. It's shameful and cringy but it works.

That's truly unfortunate.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole! 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to the Red Pill. Most of us don't wish it was this way, but alas it is

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not sure if this relates to what you’re saying, but IMO, anyone using RP tactics who acts like an asshole is only making the problem worse. There’s something to be said for having integrity and not stooping to the level of the lowest common denominator even if shitty behavior “works.”

I’m not suggesting that RP = asshole by default, but assholery (RP or not) is unfortunate in my opinion.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole! 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

asshole is a grey area. A guy standing up for his own interests and not bowing down to whatever anyone with a pussy wants is considered an asshole by many.

[–]qwertyuiop111222Purple Pill Masticator 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It works. It's shameful and cringy but it works.

My Two Rules TM.

  1. Do what works.
  2. Don't so what doesn't work.

sigh

[–]Offhisgame 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It works well cause he spents 30 hours a week doing it. Most people CHOOSE to use their time differently and still get laid

[–]Jex117 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol I don't spend 30 hours a week with this douche at the club - I'm talking about the one time in 6 months I usually see this tool. In just a few hours I'll see his routines.

[–]Offhisgame 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im saying effort isnt skill. It helps but its not everything

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do you really believe if you spent the same hours you would get as much women?

[–]Offhisgame 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I probably get more with half the hours

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Sure. OK.

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Even if he does, it works for him.

And most MEN choose to spend their time differently; and aren't getting laid as much as they want with the frequency and quality they want.

Your personal attack against me in 5...4...3...2...

[–]Offhisgame 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Point is hes not doing well cause hes rp hes doing well because hes being a tryhard. Many normal single guys could and often do the same

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exactly. it does work.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..|| 28 points29 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Clearly, a large number of women serially date assholes. Take away all the gals who marry their high school sweethearts, or have one or two LTRs before finding a life partner, and just leave the women who date a large number of men in their lifetime. I would argue that most of those women date one asshole after another, and can't figure out why. They don't choose to date assholes, but they manage to consistently date assholes. They have no idea how strong the correlation is between the traits they find attractive in men, and assholery. He's a hot, fun guy because he has the looks and personality to have his pick of women. He doesn't have to be not an asshole; there's nothing in it for him. He's got chicks lined up around the block, happy to take his abuse. Knowing that other women want him just makes him hotter.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Add to this that for a woman, "asshole" might also mean "doesn't treat me as totally irreplacable and the best thing since sliced bread/dumped me for someone else" - which, surprise surprise, is more likely to happen with men who are in demand.

[–]concacanca 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Right.

I'm not suggesting that women are actively choosing assholes. I'm saying they simply don't see it/care because of all the other attractive traits possessed by these guys.

[–]planejaneRemove head from sphincter, THEN type. 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's just a reversal of the guys who date hot but crazy chicks and then 30s later their car is on fire and their clothes are on the lawn cause she went apeshit.

I'll give it to some men, though; while many go cry to TRP, others are pretty aware. "Yeah, I knew she was nuts-she was so hot though."

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness! 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Female assholes. Also known as crazy bitches.

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Crazy in the head, crazy in the bed.

[–]Poster51522 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

If the guy is hot and fun, it won't matter to many women if he's an asshole.

If the guy isn't hot and fun, it won't matter to many women if he's a well-mannered decent human being.

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Yes!!! Hot asshole >>> Not hot decent guy.

[–]concacanca 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah agreed. I replied to someone else to that effect.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They choose to date men that are assholes, because that is where their attraction lies. At best, she is deluding herself. Usually, its quite obvious to her friends and people around that the guy is an asshole.

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Perhaps because being treated attentively, triggers a response in her that says "he's being nice and trying to win my affection because he out of his league and desperate." She rejects him. When that doesnt occur...the kitty cat just has to find out why..."aren't I good enough?"

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When a man is an asshole in the ‘right way’ (I.e. running tight game while holding frame), he is at his most attractive.

[–]sadomasochristNo pull out game 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is just semantic posturing.

His question, for you, is...

Why do women choose to date hot fun men, who turn out to be not great boyfriends instead of men they'd know would be "boyfriend material."

TBC, I do not advocate for OPs position, it's very autistic, but you're being ridiculous trying to play off like you don't understand the spirit of his question.

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because they are not capable of seeing the others, choosing again and again for the top men? aka. the ones with sexual market power.

did you hear "power makes corrupts"? well... it seens that "sexual market power makes asholes"

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole! 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a woman calls you an asshole or a douche it almost certainly means she wants to fuck you. Those words mean the guy being described is in a position of power/arrogance.

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Some of both. For every ass of every gender and orientation who has a relationship, there is someone one the other side of the equation who doesn’t demand more for themselves.

[–]the_calibre_cat 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That implies that there is an equal amount of decent, upstanding men and assholes, and that there is an equal amount of women demanding assholes as there are women demanding decent, upstanding men.

This is a just world fallacy.

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Math and logic are clearly not your specialties. Even if only 10 percent of guys are straight assholes with a LTR, by definition there are an equal number of women who either want or will tolerate an asshole.

Saying the number of men in LTR s is equal to the number of women in LTR s says nothing about the overall percentage of men in LTR s. If 10 million and one straight men are in LTR monogamous relationships, then 10 million and one women are also in straight monogamous relationships. This is independent of how many gay men, single men or polygamous men exist.

[–]the_calibre_cat 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Math and logic are my specialties, I problem solve every day and give my mind some food for thought at the start of each day. You didn't define "relationship" to mean "long-term relationship," and you still imply that there's an equal amount of others out there that aren't wanting to date assholes. There is no such guarantee, it could simply be that those who don't demand assholes are all taken, despite a surplus of men who genuinely aren't assholes.

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For every ass in a relationship, there is someone on the other side of the equation who doesn’t demand more for themselves. Ie the ass is in a relationship with someone who doesn’t demand more for themselves.

Is it your reading comprehension? Jfc. The second paragraph was simply to highlight your fallacy. Christ on a goddamn cracker

[–]the_calibre_cat 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

For every ass in a relationship, there is someone on the other side of the equation who doesn’t demand more for themselves. Ie the ass is in a relationship with someone who doesn’t demand more for themselves.

Or...

...as the thesis goes...

...the people in relationships with assholes like being in a relationship with assholes, and there is no "demanding more for themselves" because they're actually quite content.

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[–]couldbemage 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I explicitly tell them, up front, that I'm an asshole.

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guys who say shit like that when you first meet them often turn out to be the most milquetoast simps and certainly aren't "bad boys"

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Any man who must say "I am the king" is no true king.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. It's like those people who say "Oh I'm so sarcastic!"

No, you're just an unfunny jerkoff with no social skills.

See Also: Anyone who claims to be "Un-PC."

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Cringe.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol when they’re into you that just makes them want it more

[–]sometimespredictable 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Actually yes.

I know hot and fun guys who are nice dudes. Sure, they succeed with women, all date or have dated attractive women.

But there are also assholes I know who aren't as hot or fun... They succeed much more with women. Attractive women throw themseves at them.

Thus I think that the issues isimply "hot guys tend to be assholes". Nope, I believe there is soemthing about asshole-ish behavior that attracts women.

My best guess is, a significant portion of women are attracted to high social status values. And a lot of asshole behavior evokes the same feelings. Like, you'd feel a little intimidated by a rich and well respected guy who has great social power. You also feel a little intimidated by an asshole with anger issues. Some women can't tell between the two and find themselves attracted to the latter guy as if he's the former guy.

[–]lefactorybebe 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Huh, that's interesting. I certainly don't think it applies to all women, especially because I tend to avoid asshole behavior, I absolutely hate it, but the idea is interesting. It's like...god I can't remember what it's called. Like the misattribution of attraction I think or misattribution error? That bridge study, where they had men walk across a very precarious bridge, and woman either approached them while they were on the bridge, or after they got off of it. The men who were approached ON the bridge were far more likely to later contact the woman, because they attributed the heart racing/adrenaline of being on the precarious bridge as attraction to the woman instead. It falls in line with your theory a bit.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you think the typical male asshole does?

[–]lefactorybebe 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Acts cocky, arrogant, full of himself, acts disinterested/idgaf, shows off, doesn't care to take other's opinions/experiences into mind, that kind of stuff.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 21 points22 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

I challenge the notion that most men can’t find a single partner. I think people have a tendency to assume they are the default. Much like women who struggle to find someone might ask “what happened to chivalry? where are all the good men these days?” it is comforting for them to assume that most other women also have their problem, it feels more like a larger struggle/cause to join than something to look inward at and addresss.

I also am skeptical of any given lonely man’s judgement of what makes another guy an asshole. Insecure people will find any reason to attack someone they don’t like or are jealous of. Like how an insecure overweight woman might talk about how gross and malnourished skinny girls look, guys who lack confidence will see any man who doesn’t as an abrasive asshole.

And for what it’s worth, I’m a feminist and I don’t think men as a whole are crapsacks 🙂

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yes not all man are assholes, I agree.

but I think you have no idea on how much a 5/10 man have to work to have a chance of romance.

these guys put some serious effort in hours, money and acting to get a chance of a girlfriend every half a decade.

if you count all below the 5/10 mark, you have a good amount of men who work their assets off to get a single woman.

from what I can gather, only the top and bottom 10% of men are assholes, one for having too many chances and the other for having no chances at all.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

What makes you think I have no idea how hard supposedly average guys have to work for even a chance of romance? My life is full of average guys who have found romance. I have also spent years in the pillsphere readings the woes of lonely men. I am not only familiar, I am quite overly familiar.

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I know a lot of 5/10 guys have found romance, and I know the effort too... do you have any idea the cost? how many hours? how many varied women they hit on a day? heck, if a man hit on a 150 woman per year they may be alone that year.

Do you read and do not understand? the chances are terrible it is nust men are so desperate that they spent a good time and effort in it. so the average is not THAT alone.

this is only for a 5/10... imagine the ones not so lucky.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Average guys don’t need to hit on dozens of women a day, every day, to get a date eventually maybe someday. I know guys who don’t do well with women like to look at themsevles in the mirror and declare themselves 5s maybe 6s, but that isn’t how it works. You’re not a 5/6 if you carpet bomb every woman in your city with a proposition and none of them reciprocate. These aren’t average guys who struggle as you describe.

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I dare you to ask one yourself then. ask away. you will see for yourself the effort they make.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I already told you I am friends with average guys who do fine. They don’t have women throwing themselves at them, but they’ve got normal enough levels of social skills that they do fine. They experience the occasional heartbreak, they get rejected sometimes, but they aren’t draining their finances or spending their weekends studiously toiling to crack the woman code. I have known one guy who spent a huge, wasteful amount of money trying to get a girlfriend, but it’s because he was dumb and shallow. He was an example of what not to do for the whole friend group, he was constantly given good advice that he didn’t take, his behavior is not the norm for anyone with an ounce of sense.

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Post pics of facsimiles of said "average" guys. Also, where are you from, and what's your socioeconomic status?

We've established that "average" is very much a function of gender, region and class.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s an awful lot of work for stuff I’ve posted in this sub multiple times before lol

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The point is that what you consider "average" is very likely way above average.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it, but I guess you don’t have to believe me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good, because I don't.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤷‍♀️

[–]storffish 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

most men are fat, so it's safe to assume that all or almost all of these sub-5's are also fat. getting in shape would go a long way... it'll be a lot of work, sure, but it's work that more attractive guys are already doing. and if they don't feel like it I see fat couples all the damn time. date fat chicks, date older chicks, there are options.

the issue is usually that those guys, like ugly girls, want to date someone they're attracted to and the below-average people in their league, well, just aren't attractive.

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I talk from Brazil, Not america. this happens everywhere I lived or visited, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and US. be the population fat, thin, rich, poor, young or old, it makes no difference.

No where the average male has a woman without a shit ton of effort. heck, I would say US is actually easier as even obese people can have partners. Women only perceive the top men.

This is a world wide behavior.

[–]storffish 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

When you see an ugly couple in the street, how do you know so much about what kind of effort the guy put in?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

because he is probably my friend. and I am not that hot myself.

[–]storffish 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're friends with every ugly guy that's part of a couple? fascinating.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Didn't you just say the ugly chick wants attractive men they can't get? So if the ugly guy gets with her, he had to put in a lot of effort to get her.

You do realize, don't you, that the fact that "ugly chicks want hot men they can't get" (which YOU JUST GOT DONE SAYING) supports what we're saying, right? You get that, right?

[–]storffish 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

of course, everyone would ideally like to be with someone they find very attractive. but in reality most people who want a relationship settle, and settling is a 2-way street.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Heh. Nice cover.

[–]storffish 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what am I covering for?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

pretty much....

[–]fake7272 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tinder has schewed the reference for women. Women see 7s as average according to dating website statistics. This means that most of the men are seen as beow average to a majority of the women. This leaves behind a lot of men because what women (even ugly) wants to date below average?

[–]storffish 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I take it then you never see fat/ugly couples?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Donald Trump, for instance. He was able to secure three wives.

Then this dude. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/four-female-prison-guards-impregnated-by-same-inmate/

But I think that women who go for these men are unstable and dangerous to nice guys anyway. Still, why do men like that so easily outcompete good men?

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The woman who refused to issue marriage licenses to gays, Kim Davis has been married four times, cheated on #1 with #3 and got knocked up, but then married #2 and #2 raised #3’s kid. Then she cheated on #2 married #3, but then divorced him and #2 took her back. I think I got that whole cluster fuck right.

She’s not rich, or good looking or charismatic. Go figure.

[–]fake7272 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This kind of proves that men are desperate. I bet none of those men had any chance of fucking anyone else

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think some women have just ungodly lady's game.

I mean, think of Dirk Nowitzki who fell for that butterface who was a scammer. Sure, the guy was presumably beta as fuck, but even the betaest of betas should be able to do better if he's 7 feet tall, rich and a celebrity.

It's probably the same with women who end up in dysfunctional relationships and stay there out of their own volition just because the guy is really good at pushing all their right buttons.

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That proves that even ugly women can pretty much effortlessly get laid and get men to do their bidding.

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I won’t deny that I’ve seen it happen plenty.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Donald Trump is rich. Rich guys have no problem finding women whether they’re assholes or not.

I agree that women who go for bad news guy are themsevles bad news. I don’t think guys who can pull it off “outcompete” good men. This implies crappy guys are landing good women, I don’t think they are. Women, yes. Good, not in my opinion.

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This implies crappy guys are landing good women, I don’t think they are. Women, yes. Good, not in my opinion.

Very good point. Well said.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But I think that women who go for these men are unstable and dangerous to nice guys anyway.

While this sounds suspiciously like "you wouldn't want thots anyway", I generally agree. If women goes repeatedly for bad boys (or for a really bad boy just once), this says more about her than about men in general.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think most men (as in 60+ percent) are able to find a partner, but one that will actually stay committed to them, especially when given the chance to branch-swing? Your odds go down drastically.

And for what it’s worth, I’m a feminist and I don’t think men as a whole are crapsacks 🙂

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/seven-signs-that-your-mans-masculinity-is-nontoxic

[–]the_calibre_cat 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They categorized it as humor, though I don’t believe it was done so initially.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you suggesting I wrote that article?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, he's suggesting that a feminist's pseudo-charitable "I don't think all men are assholes" isn't really worth anything because the conditions under which this applies are usually beyond good and evil.

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Couldn't agree more, I'd even go further and say that any "average" man who claims it's impossible or very hard work just to find one woman is absolutely below average.

[–]the_calibre_cat 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Much like women who struggle to find someone might ask “what happened to chivalry? where are all the good men these days?”

It's pretty telling that, when women are single, they wonder what's wrong with men, while when men are single, they tend to wonder what's wrong with themselves.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

while men are single, they tend to wonder what's wrong with themselves.

This is an OP literally asking what’s wrong with women.

[–]the_calibre_cat 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not an unfair point, but I don't think I've ever heard a woman ask "what's wrong with me," whereas there's no shortage of OPs where they ask what's wrong with men. And those sometimes get published in the New York Times.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is an entire genre of thought in some circles. It really just depends on where you look and what media you choose to consume.

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Calibre is correct - women can't get dates, demand to know "what's wrong with men" is far, far, FAR more popular and widespread than women asking "what's wrong with me".

NYT mainstream media articles vs. one blog no one's ever heard of and no one reads. LOL

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think assholes are better at pretending to be nice than actual nice people present themselves to be.

My best friend dated an "asshole" for several years and now she is with a "nice guy"

The asshole was very charismatic, flirty, went after her, knew what he wanted and how to get it. The nice guy would just chat her up at work and like...like her selfies or whatever. She had to practically throw herself at him.

[–]solorathain 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The nice guy would just chat her up at work and like...like her selfies or whatever. She had to practically throw herself at him.

How terrible. She actually had to show some reciprocation . . . . . . .

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol what do you expect. Thankfully I am married and hopefully will stay that way until death but I didn't know how to date before I was with my husband.

Guys had to throw themselves at me because I had no idea my if interactions with the opposite sex were done for polite/platonic reasons or romantic/sexual ones unless a guy was perfectly clear.

Being a tomboy with some prettier friends meant lots of guys would talk to me because they liked me as a friend or wanted me to set them up with my attractive friends.

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You know, for apparently being the more socially attuned gender, women are sure fucking dumb when it comes to assholes lying to them.

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When you say "feminists" do you mean "basic women"? Because I can honestly say that I've never dated an asshole, but I do think some men's treatment of and attitudes towards women are abhorrent and have society wide reverberations. The women I see dating assholes and then saying "all men are assholes" tend to not really care about feminism.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why do women date assholes and then complain about male assholishness being a systemic issue?

Because if assholishness wasn't a systemic issue, women would be at fault themselves for their dating decisions, and we can't have that. However, if we assume that men are assholes, then women who end up dating one are totally blameless because after all, short of being celibate they don't really had any choice.

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I think women opting to date assholes and men being systemically assholes are in fact two separate issues. But this is not something specifically feminists complain about unless by feminist you mean "women". Many women here at PPD and sorry to the special snowflakes who wanna do that you don't speak for me blah, blah. Great, I don't. But many of the laydee people here have absolutely no fucking idea who you are referring to when speaking of "the feminists."

[–]it_takes_the_redpillRed rover red rover send 'em all over 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't parse the last few sentences there.

Also in the first part are you saying that all women complain that men are systematically assholes, not just feminists?

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I skipped over the whole “all feminists” thing, but obviously you are right. If anything, most women who identify as feminists that I know are less likely to put up with an asshole, not more.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I’ve had quite a few first night hookups mention how they’re feminists and how they’d never date douchey guys and how I’m so different

Like lol girl did you pay any attention to me or are you just giggling your way through drunken nights with men you meet in bars

[–]oryxicIndigo 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Like lol girl did you pay any attention to me or are you just giggling your way through drunken nights with men you meet in bars

hookup != date

Most RP guys wouldn't date a lot of the women they'd plate, many feminists wouldn't date a lot of the guys they'd bang.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Idk they always followed it with “you’re so different” and frankly like 90% of girls I’ve banged were super into me and would’ve been totally down for a relationship.

For me I had a high rejection rate on approaches but the girls who would bang me were wild about me

[–]couldbemage 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fun couple activity: going through their OKC questions and pointing out all the "deal breakers" they're ignoring because you're "different".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could have been me at 28. But I probably wouldn’t have ltr’ed you .....probably.

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LOL

Feminists are women and go all weak in the knees for attractive assholes just like all other women do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

We can fuck them and forget them too

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

A few of you can. only the most masculine brained INTJ of you can.

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I have said this before, but I’ve been told I’m a gay man trapped inside a woman’s body

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I said MASCULINE brained.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I never asked if I was a top or a bottom

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol at the idea that a gay man can’t be masculine 😂

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You speak for me blah, blah.

[–]Asterix88 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they are probably speaking of an angry post they saw on r/relationships or r/trollxchromosomes from a woman who uses CAPITAL letters and multiple paragraphs to get their point across.

[–]mojobytesGiven Up 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can’t discern a point here.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All women are feminists, even female anti-feminists. They all support feminism to varying degrees because feminism has all kinds of contradictions and illogical progressions in their movement.

[–]killallthenarcs 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Horrible inauthentic people tend to be on their best behavior until they get what they want, and what you see of someone may not be what the next person is seeing of them because of this. They also put a lot of effort into cultivating easy surface level tricks of attraction... flirting, hair, clothes etc. Horrible inauthentic people learn how to lie and present well because they'd get nothing otherwise and it is easier than becoming a better person and well they are horrible so they've got no internal moral reason not to lie a fair bit.

Women see this all the time with their friends, the crazy plastic bitch is the one that all the guys gravitate to first and every other woman around her watches the guys paying her attention and realises there's not a damn thing they can sensibly do (speaking up will result in looking like a bitch) and those guys are going to have to learn the hard way.

Also there's a fair few people that are thought of as assholes by those in sexual competition with them, but actually aren't assholes they are just people who don't take shit. We've all seen that too... the hot guy who tells the creepy nebbish to just fuck off and stop hanging round his girl, or the hot girl who freezes out the lurking competition. They've really done nothing wrong, they've just thwarted someone who was trying to hide their agenda.

So why do women complain about male assholishness being a systemic issue? Because to some degree it is. And we'd like you to know it is, that if you or your friends do asshole things you might be part of a broader problem. I mean obviously you're free to complain about systemic assholishness on the part of women too, and of course face the same sorts of push back and irritation women get when complaining about men.

If anyone is too fragile to handle the fact that people discuss assholishness in public in ways that may occasionally raise the thought that they too may be an asshole sometimes, just find a basement to live in we'll cope without you.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I spend my life advising high value people with lots of power and I can guarantee you, there is an unabashed aggressive asshole side to them that makes them what they are. There is certainly a cognate in some weaker people but it’s orders of magnitude , not just a matter of degree

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Horrible inauthentic people tend to be on their best behavior until they get what they want, and what you see of someone may not be what the next person is seeing of them because of this. They also put a lot of effort into cultivating easy surface level tricks of attraction... flirting, hair, clothes etc. Horrible inauthentic people learn how to lie and present well because they'd get nothing otherwise and it is easier than becoming a better person and well they are horrible so they've got no internal moral reason not to lie a fair bit.

This. 🙌🏽

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So why do women complain about male assholishness being a systemic issue? Because to some degree it is.

Welp that precludes taking that post seriously.

[–]Sheairah -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks like /u/killallthenarcs melted /u/LeJacquelope, anyone need a drink?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you both have already had too many drinks.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

because women date attractive men and attractive men are assholes. stop listening to women complain

[–]Asterix88 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because women can be stupid.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

most feminist thought is centered around men raping, murdering, stalking, and political and workplace oppression, and has nothing to do with who can get a date.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The 70s called, they want your 2nd wave definition of feminism back.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men who are assholes don’t show the asshole right away.

Examples:

He’s nice and romantic until he gets mad and drives recklessly to scare you during a fight.

He is sweet and takes you out on dates but then you notice that he is keeping you a secret from his friends and family.

You eat dinner together and he’s nice but then when you say you aren’t ready to have sex he says “but I paid for pizza!!” And takes you to small claims court over the pizza.

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until he gets mad and drives recklessly to scare you during a fight.

Guys drive faster when they're mad. It's not about you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then he can leave with his road rage and driving problems. I have zero tolerance for road rage and reckless driving. Zero.

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It's like men calling every women they dated as "crazy". It's blaming the other person for all faults in relationship. It says more about their picking skills or lack of emphathy than the other person.

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well... women from our upbringing are crazy... consider that most male accept cold reasoning since a young age, as emotions and others views are a liability that leads to suffering... to act as our feelings had any value to society is pretty much absurd and unthinkable. or how we call... "crazy behavior"

it is not that we only pick a single kind of woman, actually we hit on anything that moves (and some that don't)... yet their behavior baffles our understanding regardless, men have no value yet women have, to have empathy here is a Herculean task.

I presume it is the same for women, to understand someone who will do absolutely anything to achieve his goals and obtain value without thinking of the social value or the emotions of others may make men sound like asholes when, to him, he is just a man with a lot of choices and staying would be a cost of opportunity.

Our brains are just different and we have different values to emotion, society and ourselves.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm dating a nice guy, but still think male assholishness is prevalent. Granted, I think people assholeness is prevalent.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

When Johnny Carson was asked why he didn’t like many people, he answered “have you met many people?”

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh it's 100% a mismatch of how I think people should act versus how they act.

[–]rathyAro 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like this sense that people are all assholes is actually just a lack of empathy from the one's judging mixed with genuine flaws. I don't run into many people who I don't like but I run into tons of people who have large swaths of the population they don't like.

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think people assholeness is prevalent.

I think so too. A lot of people seem to have done away with basic respect.

[–]Marino4KRealism 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Shit, I keep reading this as “ass holiness”

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they have a poo fetish?

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, have you seen my ass?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

The same reason all the terpers date branch swingers and thots and then yell awalt. People think with their crotches instead of their brains

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness! 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That, and they are in shitty circles. If everywhere you go smells like shit, check your shoe.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap... 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They'll never believe you, even though you're right about most of them. Where's my little violin, again?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hear, hear! Another person preaching personal responsibility to the menz. I am a MRA, I just think personal responsibility comes with rights.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

with the small difference that assholes are like 10% of all men, and thots/branch swingers are 90% of all women

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh. See above.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

thots/branch swingers are 90% of all women

Yeah, no.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

let's see.

asshole behavior:

  • cheating

  • manipulation/emotional abuse (e.g dread game)

  • violence

now, thot behavior:

  • seeking validation on social media

  • partying around

  • unchecked hypergamy

comparing the two lists, only a tiny minority of men engage in the former, and a large amount of women engage in the latter. therefore, your point is false

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I never claimed that more men are assholes than women are "thots." I only disagreed that 90% of women are "thots/branch swingers."

Unless you can back up your stated value of 90%, you haven't proven my point false.

And, by the way,

seeking validation on social media

partying around

unchecked hypergamy

are not female-only behaviors.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

even if the number is inaccurate, my point is that a much larger amount of women engage in thot behavior, compared to the amount of men who engage in asshole behavior. therefore, men are more accurate in saying "most women are thots" than women are in saying "most men are assholes", which defeats the top level comment

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. What I’m saying is that I didn’t argue your claim that that more women engage in “thot” behavior than men engage in asshole behavior. All I said was that 90% of women being “thots” is an overestimate.

You’re arguing against a point I didn’t try to make.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You’re right those aren’t female only, those behaviors are also done by high value men who are able to flip the script

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

High value men don't need to seek validation on social media.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk I’ve seen some guys with cool instagrams and Facebook pages

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[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Image crafting is one side of it i guess but idk some people just have cool stuff going on and they share pics of it online

[–]mrs_pterodactyl -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think you have bad data there champ

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..|| 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Source on all the terpers dating branch swingers and thots? I mean, if you want to generalize in such a fashion, at least put on some blue flair so we expect it from you. Also, if you have some true purple advice on early identification of branch swingers that isn't in the TRP sidebar, you should share your insight with the rest of us. If there is something common to the red pill psyche that draws them to branch swingers and thots, any tips on how to avoid such women can only help.

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You do understand hyperbole I hope.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..|| 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do. I don't think it has a place in honest, open debate, but I understand it. It's why I suggested you adopt some blue flair; your hyperbole fits right in with TBP.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some women are stupid, some women have bad taste, some women have issues, and some women are sexists who want to blame men for all social ills.

[–]Raiil 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Confidence in either gender tends to be an attractor. It doesn't have to be a romantic/sexual attractor, humans are just drawn (generally) to it.

The line between confidence and asshole is nearly invisible at times, particularly with the 'hot and crazy' variety of human.

It's not a universal rule by any stretch of the definition, but look at how we flock to 'powerful' politicians and celebrities. Even if we know them to have abrasive, asshole tendencies we still tend to revere them.

[–]AntiAbleism 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it’s always the ugly socially awkward men’s fault.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great book - “Open Her” by Karen Brody.

Basically, women aren’t attracted to assholes, but assholes are more likely to carry attractive traits. If you had options, you would choose a bitchy hot chick over a cool fatty (or at least, most men would).

The good news is that you can have attractive traits without being an asshole, and if you can do both, you are pretty much the ultimate catch for women.

[–]DXBrigade 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some women date assholes, most don't. I don't see what feminists have to do with it, except if you are talking about domestic violence.

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Women who frequently date assholes will complain about their experiences with assholes. Color me surprised. I am so confused right now as to why this might be.

Sure many of them probably chose poorly. So what. When someone my mother thought was a friend treated her poorly she complained about it. People will do that.

most men can barely even get a single partner.

Citation needed. Or, to put it plainly, this is bullshit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

hum... no citation but i can attest the claim by my experience... a 4/10 barelly can get a girlfriend each half a decade

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But how is that evidence of "most men" being unable to get a partner?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

one is better than zero.

[–]abriefhistory_Supporter of science and respect 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but it's not "most."

I guess it's more on OP to back up that claim though, since they're the one who made it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why do men date bitches and then complain AWALT?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

well... men hit on anything that moves and even some that don't... so....what is your point?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A true random sampling of women would quickly disprove AWALT. But men who go after crazy bitches always seem to arrive at the same conclusions. CMV.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go on, make the research, I may review and help you to publish it, you are not gonna like the results tho.

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[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Another strawman feminists thread? Yaaaaay....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

u/EmoryUpton has a comic to link.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

All men are garbage!

Ssssssssssss

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol this is amazing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love that one it is hilarious I think we have the thread version of that once a day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

one day men will realize that they men they describe as assholes and the men women describe as assholes are not the same people

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I missed delusional straw-feminist threads.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everybody dates their parents, no matter how much their parents suck.

[–]quicklogaccountI claim to cause RPs to feel blue 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much the same reason why we date women and complain AWALT.
It is because it IS a systemic issue. Assholes are just regular guys going full all men are like that. Some women ditch them, others suck it up until they're ditched (because these fellows ARE going polygamous) and then whine.
Some of us also date women who come up with a lot of AWALT shit and then whine. God, I've done it for years.

What reasons lead one gender or another to stay in those shitty relationships are wildly different, but the consequences are the same there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stupid people are loud.

(I don’t think the women you described are even self identified feminists.)

[–]notacrookatall 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women don't date men because they're assholes dude. It's just that in the process of dating, people get bored of each other and BECOME assholes. You confuse the outcome for the cause.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sure more of feminist thought is about workplace equality, fairness in society... Not dating.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women crave excitement, drama, and to be entertained. Guys who provide all three tend to be assholes on one level or another and have trouble toning it down during quiet moments when she decides she wants to be "serious".

Unitl a woman hits the Wall, the quiet, nice guys are largely invisible to her.

It's a question of priorities.

Purps and Bloops will comment that many Reds have a low or distorted opinion of women *because that's the kind of women they attract*. Personally I think that is nonsense, but the phenomenon here is that *this is the kind of men women **choose***.

It might be safer to say that *people* under the age of 28 will engage in short term thinking and have trouble with making proper choices to achieve long-term goals.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

While I agree that Women generally are looking for fun for the most part in their teens & early 20s. There are those that do settle early.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

About half figure it out before age 28

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of times women who love assholes are assholes themselves. Like attracts like.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good question! Why do men date assholish women and then complain about assholish womenstart up a thread on TRP?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assholes are attractive because subconsciously they're signaling they can get away with it and be cool. Women love these subconscious displays of prepotence.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I discussed something similar a while ago in relation to this comic.

The exact same issue appears here. The woman in the comic has chosen to marry and have a child with a man who (according to her) does not do enough around the house. She does not communicate this to him (or at least - she makes no mention of it). Instead, she magically expects him to read her mind and see the world her way. He obviously does not. And instead of understanding that she chose a man who does not think like her in this way, she similarly claims this is a cultural thing.

I think many women have problems understanding that some things in life exclude one another. For instance - bad boy may be attractive, but he is also a bad boy. That's who he is. You have to make a choice regarding what's important to you.

[–]ARealHossIncomplete Achromatopsia 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women don't date assholes because they're assholes. Women date attractive men. Attractive men have an abundance of choices, and therefore, are less likely to put women on a pedestal. They come off as less needy, which in turn is a desirable trait.

It's also scarcity economics. People value things that seem unattainable more, whether they have actual increased value or not.

They've also done studies on unpredictable rewards. When knowledge that a certain behavior always elicits an expected response, the dopamine reward is less. Unpredictable behavior, for whatever reason, seems to stimulate a higher reward response. One study had animals pushing on a lever. When they consistently were rewarded with food, they were less likely to push it. They learned that the food would always be there. When the reward was unpredictable, they'd consistently push away, hoping that one of those pulls would finally yield a reward.

In humans they found a similar response. When presented with water or juice, it didn't matter what they prefered (whether it be juice or water) but whether they anticipated the water or juice. When they were unexpecting, they had a higher "reward" response in their brain.

TL;DR Our brains like surprises.

[–]Talbooth 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are attracted to confidence (in general ofc, not everyone), not assholishness. It's just that these two often go together.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People don't like to blame themselves for the outcomes of their bad choices. Blaming an impersonal group is far easier than looking inward.

And as others have noted , OP, this is not a charicteristic unique to feminist women. RP men are also notably prone to the same logical fallacies with AWALT.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

because when you view women as a single hivemind rather than a group of individuals who act differently you're bound to find contradictions

seriously, how does this have 40 upvotes?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A man explained this to me once: beautiful women, the 10's who set the standard, are intimidating to most men. Only assholes have the balls to approach a 10. So she dates a series of jerks because the timid men never had the nerve to ask. Bias.

[–]solorathain 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they're dumb.

[–]mistercheeez-o____O- 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women like that are conceded.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I started thinking about this when an attractive coworker(who also had some big boobies) started dating an asshole. The guy wasn't just an asshole, he was a dud. He could barely keep his kitchen job, drank daily, did drugs, had no prospects, and already had a kid and a baby-mama. Everyone talked about what a shame it was that she was with him, but I realized she was more in control than people knew. She could pretty much get whatever she wanted out of the situation and bail as soon as it got too involved. Maybe it was sex(probably), maybe she liked the attention from concerned friends, maybe it was the badboy appeal. Anyway, it ended after a little while and she stepped into the victim role. She got a lot of sympathy, and bashed men quite a bit on facebook for a while. I don't know, hope this makes sense. I guess people thought she didn't know what she was doing but she really did.

[–]Superfluous_ToastThe scariest sex is the "not with you" kind 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't tell you, the only asshole I ever dated was way back in high school and I never made that mistake again.

[–]Jammerly11 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Because there is no rhyme or reason to assholes.

 

That beta? He’s an asshole. That Alpha? He’s an asshole. That shy dude in the back of the class? He’s an asshole. The life of the Party? He’s an asshole. That neck beard? He’s an asshole. That hot jock? He’s an asshole. That smart nerd? He’s an asshole. That rich guy? He’s an asshole. That poor guy? He’s an asshole. That Incel? He’s an asshole. That Chad? He’s an asshole.

 

Male assholery is an epidemic. It knows no bounds, rhyme or reason. All men internalize a great deal of misogyny and entitlement even the “the nice guys”.

 

So after awhile of dating around various levels on the looks and SES, women discover that men are assholes no matter what, and so it’s better to just go for the top guys who might actually have something you want.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How on earth do you not think that people with power and success are more likely assholes

How did they get there

Like lmfao who do you think the meek are

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i work with high powered wealthy men (and succesful young men quickly accelerating to that position) and for the most part they're pretty cool nice dudes.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ime they’re generally pretty cool but assholes

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The meek are depressed people, lazy people, dum sums and losers

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because the women who do this are unstable as hell and if you were a nice guy that they decided to date they would fuck you over?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most men are assholes. You can't avoid them easily.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not as assholish as women.

We aren't lying cunts either.

[–]HostileErectile -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not many women actually enjoy dating an asshole, a lot of beta males just confuse being ''assertive'' and ''confident'' with being an asshole.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 1993 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

most men are shitbags in sheep's clothing. some women learn the lesson before, some later. your average Billy Bob would stab you in the back first chance he has if he can get away with it as easily as Chadicus. it is not as if males are either/or. they are all equally shitty.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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