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So I was just browsing changemyview the sub reddit and on the front page were issues like sexual objectification and some of the arguments by “normal” people there are so cartoonishly feminist, that I just remembered why anti feminism became such a thing in 2016 onward.

Posting strictly on ppd kind of warped my perspective and made me realize that most of the starting premises here on ppd are redder than most, to the point that I don’t think many true blues like the ones found in the cmv sub could even engage at all


[–]wracky272RPG's are fun19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The willingness to even discuss Red Pill ideology pretty much requires one to be "more red" than most of Reddit. Your average feminist would read some standard RP stuff and wouldn't even engage, just condemn.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your average feminist would read some standard RP stuff and wouldn't even engage, just condemn.

Or engage in bad faith, for one or both of the following two reasons: (1) because they have their heads so far up their asses that they literally can't see how anyone could have a worldview different from theirs - that the only reason why people aren't feminist is because they haven't been sufficiently exposed to it; and those who also won't become feminists despite having been exposed to it are bad people by default (with some also thinking they should be deprived their right to vote, congregate and of free speech - as a start). Kinda like religious nutjobs. And (2) to accumulate SJW points (for fighting the good fight) and victim points (because she can claim having been victimized by internet hate afterward or having been oppressed by evil mansplaining patriarchs)

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman17 points18 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

This depends heavily on what exactly is meant by red and blue. There are different dimensions, like how politically progressive/SJW-y you are, your views on human nature, and what kind of relationship with the opposite sex you want to have.

I tend to view it like a bullseye target, with the very center being pure red. You can vary and start to diverge on any dimension. If you get too far away in any dimension you become more and more blue. In this way, blues can have radically different views from one another while still being very not red.

I'm not feminist at all and would disagree with over on virtually any stance on social justice. But I believe men and women are mental and moral equals to men, which is completely counter to TRP. I wouldn't say I'm less blue just because I diverge in a different way.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

How is it a bullseye? Under the RP worldview you have both those who want to "enjoy the decline", traditionalists, MGTOW, and the humble supporter of male-lead and male-dominant relationships

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Y'all do not agree with that amongst yourselves. MGTOW rage against TRP and vice versa. I just lump all those groups into the term "manosphere" because they are all man-centric. But I do not call them all red pillers.

[–]the_calibre_cat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is consistent

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

That’s just four things tho, all of which essentially center around male dominance and all of which have certain shared beliefs and terminology. “Blue” could theoretically encompass feminists, marxists, Mormons, catholics, postmodernists, Democrats, people into fem-dom, furries, the gay community, pan-Africanists, Scientologists, Sikhs, Jews, tumblr girls, children under 12, Papuan tribesmen, Buddhists, BLM protesters, and more. Almost by definition everyone is “blue” who doesn’t frequent our weird little corner of the internet or share it’s beliefs.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Dont lump in jewz... we have atlas!

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

one swallow doesn't make a summer

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

And now she would probably take a massive shit on me for beeing a dirty foreigner, because i dont know this idiom

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

So am I (though I have to say that exactly the same idiom also exists in my language, so there's that).

"One swallow doesn't make a summer" simply means that one incident doesn't mean that something is a rule.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

You are polish, if the memory serves me well?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

No, German.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Oh, my memory fucks with me again. Im a slav. Nice to meet fellow non-yankee here. What a nice multicultural place we've got;)

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A shekel for a good goy

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No such thing as a good or a bad goy... only the rich and the poor ones

[–]hematomatoed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Is the meaning of the word "blue" shifting? It didn't used to mean "radical male feminist"; it used to mean "normie."

You know, like if the redpill says "be masculine and assertive, it's on her to say no";

And the male feminist says "always say 'may I kiss you now' and receive verbal consent every step along the way";

Then it's the "bluepill" that says "read her body language and make your move if she seems receptive."

That kind of thing.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And my point is that subs like CMV are not pillosphere related and yet are comically feminist/bp places that make blues here look like Nietzsche

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism7 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I think the average person here forms their general percepion of Bluepillers based on how individuals on /r/TBP act. With that being said, even TBP wasn't as retarded as it is now a few years ago. In fact, most of them won't even comment here because "the men here are too toxic".

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why they don't just say assholes.

[–]wracky272RPG's are fun3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please, they would never engage in such primitive language. They're all scholars, remember.

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a problematic word right there.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It might be for you, it certainly is not for me.

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was a joke, the set of people who overuse 'toxic' also tend to overuse 'problematic'.

[–]SlashCo802 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

With that being said, even TBP wasn't as retarded as it is now a few years ago. In fact, most of them won't even comment here because "the men here are too toxic".

Yeah, TBP started as a reaction to the most extreme content on TRP, but now it's more of a community of virtue signaling feminists and almost a leftist equivalent of TRP, imo.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

almost a leftist equivalent of TRP, imo.

Jeebus, have you actually read TBP? Or are you just basing this on other people's circlejerky opinions?

It might be more liberal than it was, but it's still 98% mocking extreme TRP and MRA and Incel viewpoints.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's extremely liberal. They were justifying government spending to give subsidized housing and smartphones to illegal immigrants, so it's not even just socially liberal/progressive.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

They were justifying government spending to give subsidized housing and smartphones to illegal immigrants

That doesn't sound like a TBP post at all. I wouldn't be surprised to see it being discussed in the comments, but it would be off topic for the sub.

Do you have a link? I tried searching the sub for "immigrants" and didn't find what you are talking about.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If I remember correctly, there were multiple threads on the topic, but this is the one I found most readily and is relevant.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why on earth do you have a screenshot but no link?

Like, it certainly looks like TBP, but I can't find that comment chain anywhere, no matter what words I'm searching for.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't access archive.is from work, our firewall blocks it. Can you just link the actual page? I'm already a TBP member, I won't brigade them.

[–]redditicantrecall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dang! And to think some of us legal people can't even get that, then they just do that to illegals while ignoring their own people.

Weird way of thinking isn't it?

[–]SlashCo801 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But the tone is very liberal and pro-feminist, railing against traditional masculinity, MRAs and the like. Not too long ago there was a thread literally made just to gloat about Redpiller failure stories, divorces, etc. People were taking way too much pleasure in reading that stuff, just saying.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So now it's the tone you're concerned about. Yeah, most people who post on TBP are probably some sort of liberal and feminist. Those are the types of people that tend to see problems in TRP.

That doesn't mean the sub is for discussions of feminism or liberal causes, the sub is for mocking the manosphere. Particularly stupidity in the manosphere (you'll notice reasonable and intelligent statements are rarely brought up for mockery). No ideology, no attempt to convince anyone of anything, no theories or beliefs, other than "let's laugh at manospherians". It's a humor/satire/mockery sub.

That is completely different from what TRP is and does. There is really nothing in common other than the names, and even then TBP is named that specifically to mock and satirize TRP. That's why I ask if you've ever actually visited the sub, you seem to think it is something totally different from what it is.

[–]GayLubeOilTrue Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bloopies are our little buddies they deserve a lot of credit for TRPs growth

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One type of 'blue' means 'typical views from The Blue Pill subreddit', the other means normie

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Is the meaning of the word "blue" shifting?

Nah, the meaning of both "red" and "blue" have pretty much always had multiple meanings in the context of PPD:

  • the subreddit interpretation: "redpillers" and "bluepillers" refering to a card-carrying member of the subs.
  • the redpill-centric interpretation as mindsets: (a) guys who have adopted a redpill worldview and those who haven't (yet). Or (b), more broadly speaking, the one that's closest to "normal people out there" - people who don't really have a dog in that fight, but who nevertheless behave according to the behavioral outlines for either pill as described by the red pill. "Redpilled" people are assertive, confident, alpha, charge-taking, unapologetic, no-nonsense, aware, don't take women that seriously, and are skeptical. "Bluepilled" people are passive, apologetic, followers, acquiescent, gullible, game-unaware (or generally unaware for that matter), gynocentric and believe that women are wonderful and treating them "decently" is the way to go.
  • the political interpretation: "redpillers" are anti-PC, libertarian, randian, selectively conservative, anti SJW (which includes feminism, islam/islamophilia, ideological LGBTism, also environmentalism etc.), opposed to the (cultural) mainstream. "Bluepillers" are PC, big-state, tend to not have a problem with restriction of certain personal freedoms, broadly liberal (the US definition), SJW-leaning or outright pro SJW, submit to/are the (cultural) mainstream.
  • scientific use: yeah, even that exists. "redpill" is one the one hand more "hard sciences", and on the other a certain mindset of handling scientific work; an approach that operates under the assumption that biological essentialism exists, that certain groups of people (especially genders) are different, and that all of them have the potential to be crappy. "Bluepill" on the other hand are "soft sciences" (like humanities, or worse, the various bullshit studies that hardly qualify as science at all and more as ideological boot camps); or scientific approaches that biological essentialism doesn't exist and that everything is socially constructed, that groups are only different through oppression, and that if we're researching groups with crappy people we should focus on whites/men/Christians/Westerners/etc.
  • and probably a few others

So the question is more which definition a person is using.

[–]darla101 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What would you call an individual who subscribes to these concepts: 1) biological determinism AND culture both play a role in determining a person’s innate potential, 2) The development of the humanities and sciences has historically been a symbiotic one, regardless of the current (politically driven) bifurcation in academia, 3) Its possible to be a randian and an environmentalist. 4)the hypocrisy intrinsic to red pillers and blue pillers alike, as you’ve described them above, is really funny. I would call that person a middle path following, free thinking, purple pill popper.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

A fence sitter or pathological pacifist

[–]darla100 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You can see a lot more from sitting up on the fence. What is a pathological pacifist? Peace at all costs? I don’t think that’s what I was suggesting.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah idk

But to your point about humanities always developing along side science. It’s true but back then the humanities were still inferior garbage just from a more right wing POV than modern humanities

[–]darla100 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Mkay. Just remember that ‘garbage’ gave rise to minds and cultures that allowed science to flourish in the way it has. Just b cause you don’t understand that doesn’t make it false.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know more about this than you think

Science is by definition the quantification and categorization of knowledge, it “flourishes” autonomously where ever it is practiced regardless of culture

The culture changes the flavor and the models of conceptualization, but those are just there to make us act on the knowledge for better or worse

And to that point the scientific culture of today is dead set against model anti realism which is what I’m getting at here.

That is to say most people today think our models of science (which includes humanities) are real things out there in the world that exist independently of our minds, but I know they’re just ideas, beliefs, inter subjective attitudes and nothing more

[–]darla100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t qualify today’s culture one way or the other. I don’t think we’re disagreeing but I don’t understand why you consider humanities garbage.

[–]Poster515 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think just the fact that the self identified blue-pillers here are even aware of the details of red-pilled ideology and have engaged and are willing to entertain or exchange thoughts within a debate context with red-pillers makes them more red/less blue.

[–]andrew_rdt3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I could be wrong but didn't RP start first? And BP was started strictly to criticize them? I tried to look into the origin of the name recently and it appeared this way.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

RP started first, and they used "BP" to describe normal people who don't subscribe to RP views. People describing themselves as BP and the BP subreddit came a bit later when more and more people who wanted to criticize and make fun of RP came out.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

Just the fact that the self identified blue-pillers here are even aware of the details of RP ideology and are willing to entertain or exchange thoughts with red-pillers makes them in a sense more red/less blue.

How so? Just because one is willing to discuss an ideology doesn't mean they are for it.

[–]Poster515 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Of course. To further clarify the awareness of RP ideas and concepts exponentially increases the chance an individual may agree with at least some of them even if ultimately they reject the overall community and purpose.

It's not a black and white either/or thing. BP people can understand and even appreciate the merit of RP perspectives and dogma without subscribing or completely agreeing [and vice versa]. But they do need to be exposed to said perspectives in the first place to even consider it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

To clarify the awareness of RP ideas and concepts exponentially increases the chance an individual may see the credibility for some of said ideology even if ultimately they reject the overall community and purpose.

That really goes both ways tho.

[–]Poster515 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Maybe. From observation and experience I still adhere and agree more with RP ideology, but I do believe my exposure and willingness to BP arguments has made me decidedly less red over time when compared to people posting strictly on say TRP sub.

I think the difference though is RP is a reactionary movement to mainstream ideas, so the two-way street is not a perfect analogy. People who go RP have likely had a good couple decades of BP indoctrination by default.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

People who go RP have had at least a couple decades, if not a lifetime, of BP indoctrination by default.

I doubt that. Most RPers are under 25 years in age and would say most get into it late teens or so. And much like with feminists by mid 20's the vast majority become more moderate in their stances and that take on if you will middle of the road point of view.

[–]it_takes_the_redpillRed rover red rover send 'em all over4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Most of the people in the comments section may be younger, but most of the content there is written by middle aged men who have actually been through stuff.

Society pushes a feminist narrative currently, so nearly everyone now is being raised on that. Most following TRP journey aren't doing it out of convenience, but desperation. Cognitive dissonance is painful. Sometimes you need to swing completely the other way for a bit to see.

Feminists may mellow out after a bit, but is it because they've entertained the opposite perspective, or is it because they just got tired of beating their drum so loud?

I feel like people who experience TRP may mellow, but they do so through repeated engagement with the world testing the theories with knowledge of both perspectives. Whereas most feminists may mellow but but only passively.


Wow I just reread that and realized that I don't know what point I'm really trying to make or whether I have a valid argument for it at all, but it's late and I haven't slept in 2 days so I'm just gonna pass out now. And I'm posting this anyway because I put the time in to write it, and I'm finally quitting weed, and fuck everything and everybody that ever existed.

Mic drop

[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most of the people in the comments section may be younger, but most of the content there is written by middle aged men who have actually been through stuff.

I'd like to see evidence to support this? I know very few MRPs who are open, and fewer TRPs. I don't know how old you are but a lot of it reads like fan fiction written by teenagers.

Even if it is accurate, I don't know these men are attempting "repeated engagement to test the world." If you've ever seen the Twitter feeds of some of the TRP/MRP "conventions," it's... Almost all older fat dudes. TFA, SPT, etc etc, none of those guys really seem like they're doing much besides punching up and using armchair psychology to excuse why they didn't get laid in their twenties... About the only exception is GLO, who uses TRP as a way to sell his t-shirts and make a buck off the guys struggling there.

Maybe I'm off base on all of this, but I would be interested in seeing any evidence that the TRP userbase is not 70% sub-25yo and 50% California FGAA, who do not understand the practicalities of the white American SMP and are stuck in a location where their skin color and dating market is skewed against them.

TLDR: I haven't seen much to suggest the posters aren't old white losers and the commenters aren't young brown losers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to see evidence to support this?

Red Pill was basically a conglomeration of three guys.

  • Rollo Tomassi (40’s married guy, vodka sales rep)
  • Roissy (30-ish DC goverment worker)
  • Roosh (20-something, no idea how he supported himself)

Rollo liked to pontificate, Roissy was a lunatic but gifted writer, Roosh was an overt misogynist who attracted likewise. They’ve been taken to task before but I suppose the idea is too seductive to die out. It’s the problems in the modern dating scene that keep RP alive, and those are still too anti-PC to be discussed politely.

[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right. I like discussing the topic, and you're correct that it can't be addressed in many places of established discourse, but I don't feel like TRP is really helping bring it to the forefront. Especially with those guys--they lack credibility.

I believe it came to light that Roosh lived in his mother's house as of a year or two ago, and Rollo would post excerpts from his blog on this sub-but then he'd refuse to discuss them here and instead linked his blog so he could capitalize on the ad revenue. Eventually after so many times of refusing to discuss his posts on the sub, he was banned. (Which I'm thankful for-not because he didn't occasionally make interesting points, but he'd post 2k word "excerpts" from blog posts that were four times that length, and then respond with dismissive arrogance even when he was told he would have to participate more in his own threads)

I'll admit I'm familiar with Roissy only by name, I haven't done much looking into him or his works simply because I haven't lucked across them much here and don't often go clicking around at TRP if I can help it.

That all stands to support the idea that there's not a lot of credibility I've seen come out of TRP/MRP in the time I've been around PPD, and I've had a few years now. I always invite the opportunity to be proven wrong, it just hasn't happened yet.

[–]Poster515 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Statistically speaking you may well be correct, I have not looked into it. The point still stands though that people come upon the RP after being BP by default and having applied BP teachings for a majority of their dating life, whether it be decades or merely during one's awkward teenage years.

[–]CaliEd2560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Years of Disney, and we finally realize that it doesn’t work, and it’s not what (most) women want.

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Blues elsewhere just socially excommunicate people that don't accept their militant social ideals

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

And reds don't? lol

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, they don't. That is definitely a Blue/Left thing. There might be some who do, but they're rarer - most are capable of agreeing to disagree.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya they do. BPers tend to be more tolerant than that of RPers are and such don't kick people out for their views as nearly as much.

[–]CaliEd2561 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes they do. I got banned from MRP after 12 days because I posted something that was considered too BP. That was after they called me a faggot 5-6 times and then told me I wasn’t really in the military. 😂

[–]the_calibre_cat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Banning people isn't the same as socially condemning them. Subreddits must remain topical, and they all take a different approach to realizing this goal - but since you mention it, /r/anarcho_capitalism and /r/libertarian, both decidedly more right-wing subreddits, have pretty moderately limited moderation in keeping with Libertarian positions on free speech. That's not to say there are no banhappy right-wing subreddits, but they're usually a.) small and b.) extreme.

There are probably more communists in /r/libertarian than there are actual right-libertarians - and there are no comparable left-wing subreddits (to say nothing of the fact that were on a predominantly left-wing website, so it stands to reason that left-wing communities have an easier time existing in the first place).

The left increasingly views its positions on social status and acceptable behavior to be a moral imperative, whereby anyone disagreeing is not merely experiencing a difference of opinion, but is an actively harmful, forsaken person. That's just not a thing anywhere on the right except among the fundamentally religious among them, and even among them, I'd say it's mostly the crazy wackos that actually care enough to be a public nuisance. Plenty of other religious rightists still think being gay is a sin, but aren't gonna be in your face about it or try to get the government to ban it.

[–]CaliEd2560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TLDR

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because the bluer you are the stronger the desire to base your arguments around disgust/being offended meaning you wont entertain the discussion in the first place

The bluest of the blue will use emotion/empathy to trump any argument, they arent even willing to be in the same room or listen to RP ideas

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because the reder you are the stronger the desire to base your arguments around disgust/being offended meaning you wont entertain the discussion in the first place

The redest of the blue will use emotion/empathy to trump any argument, they arent even willing to be in the same room or listen to BP ideas

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I assume you read this as an attack but I didnt mean it that way, think about it

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't take it as an attack, quite the opposite. I was more showing that it goes both ways here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont think I have ever seen a red pill post who was disgusted by a blue pill method or idea, could you give an example of something that blue pillers condone that red pillers consider too extreme to even entertain the idea or attempt?

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

BP ideology can't stand up to any logical scrutiny at all. That's how so.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

And RP ideology can? I somehow doubt that.

[–]CaliEd2560 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

RO ideology works. It’s just amoral, so vast majority dismiss it. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not true.

What DOESN’T work is some of the women hating comments. And I would say the man hating communes from the extreme feminist community don’t work as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

RP ideology doesn't work nor is it amoral. Its very much moral based. And it has more than just some women hating comments, its pretty much full of women hating comments.

[–]CaliEd2560 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s worked in my life. And my friends lives. Like any ideology, it is dangerous when taken to the extreme. The comments of woman-haters don’t reflect he ideology as a whole. Just like the comments of man-hating feminists don’t reflect the movement in its entirety.

Why do you feel you can judge a entire set of people you’ve never met? And obviously made an effort to learn about?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why do you feel you can judge a entire set of people you’ve never met?

For the same reason you have.

And obviously made an effort to learn about?

I've only really learned about it from this sub. TRP sub is toxic as heck and I like to keep my sanity

[–]CaliEd2560 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who have I judged?

And yes, it’s pretty toxic. Married Red Pill is better.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who have I judged?

Everyone. Its human nature to judge others.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most Blues here are absolutely willing to grant that TRP has some good ideas, and what we disagree with is how they are presented mixed with the stupid evo-psych and misogyny. We understand the nuances and context because we have talked extensively with RPers and clarified their views.

Someone without that understanding would be more likely to just reject RP out of hand. Most people have no interest in understanding TRP, it isn't relevant to them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To be fair some of TRP ideas aren't really TRP but common sense and TRP claims them as being RP. Prime example being the whole working out thing.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not just working out it’s also what it entails. Discipline, increased T/sexual dimorphism and competition

It’s when you go further into these subjects blues will disagree

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because its largely snake oil.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of that is because being blue pilled here does not mean "cartoonishly feminist".

Part of that is that in order to debate RP, you have to at least entertain their framework within their "truths", since they have the ideology you are arguing against.

Part of that is the fact "red pill" can always be rationalized from someone's response almost no matter how moderate, reasonable and "blue pill" it is.

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill12 points13 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

I have noticed that over the last year this sub has become a lot more red / right wing than before. This was surprising to me given how it does not reflect the statistics on reddit's overall userbase

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I first came here to troll reds in like 2014 and the climate was completely different I’m sure the Overton window has shifted right at least a bit since then

Like I remember when saying men and women are not the same was controversial

[–]Offhisgame2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wut lol

[–]MaliciousMackPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh. Haven't heard of someone mentioning the overton window in about a year. Could very well describe a lot from the last year or so.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I'm a weirdo but this sub seems normal to me and the rest of reddit seem like a bunch of extreme kooks on the left and right.

[–]Offhisgame3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Most of the reds here are those nuts with bigger words and long winded discriptions

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

And most of the blues live in a princess land of denial. Makes for a pretty good sub. I would think if we all met irl 80% of would get along and 20% of outlier reds and blues would be asked to leave the club. Pareto doesn't lie.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

No we do not

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You do not, sublime. That is not the case for all others who share the color of your flair. You are not the bluest person here.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You're a moderate blue mongrel who is respected on this sub. if you want to represent some of the wacky blues and their views on this sub that is your right but I would expect more from you.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

And most of the blues live in a princess land of denial.

No

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

C'mon, you know if some bp is going to generalize about reds I'll be the first one to generalize about bloops.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You see me watching you

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For about a year now, you make me mind my P's and Q's.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some them sure are wordy folk, I wonder if they practise speeches in the mirror... the praxis of rundundant micro analysis fits aggregate systems in line with heuristic and ahistorical behavior at primal paradigms of market and sexual freedoms.......

[–]redditicantrecall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No you actually got a point, but I wouldn't say that for all the rest of Reddit.

This sub seems pretty calm and well balanced compared to many subs that cover the same stuff.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It also comes at these ideals from an explicitly alternative angle than most political subs, so it's unexpected and before you know it, you might find yourself agreeing with something that you wouldn't be agreeing to were you politically priming yourself in an explicitly political subreddit.

That happens both ways, I can get super angry at feminists but nonetheless I find myself agreeing with at least SOME points they make here. Also you have weird shit like Atlas, who is ostensibly red/right but has no bones about throwing "fellow" (?) reds/righties under the bus when she thinks they're full of shit.

That doesn't happen elsewhere that's expressly political, you just get downvoted into oblivion if you dissent from the prevailing view.

[–]UnconfidenceSocial Anarchist - BP1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'm new here, and as a BluePill guy I feel like this subreddit is just a bunch of purples and reds "debating" while the bluepill folks all just watch in abject horror and occasionally throw popcorn. I barely see anyone who actually identifies as BP posting other than me.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't post topics, but I'm an active commenter and I even actually engage in debate in good faith.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most of the blue flairs here, and some of the purples, started out from TBP.

There are just some pretty standard TBP lines that can’t hold up to the scrutiny of debate, and blue flairs learn those pretty quickly and stay in areas that are more debatable.

That’s largely what means this place looks much more purple than TBP.

[–]UnconfidenceSocial Anarchist - BP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or, conversely, no.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No concerning what ?

That most blue flairs do/have come from TBP? Because that’s just a fact you can verify from their histories. Some of them are even still active on TBP.

Or no concerning “certain BP positions being untenable in open debate... and so that making PPD inherently more purple” ?

Because that’s going to depend on the TBP view you think are not represented. I’d say “men and women are the same” is the primary example here. That’s still common on TBP but can’t hold its own in open debate.

[–]Offhisgame1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think more sad ugly kids find trp and latch on for dear life. Whereas blue pillers are happy and dont obsess.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And? With that in mind how do you approach TRP views? With contempt or with compassion?

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think RP views were gaining ground until the mod changeover

[–]aretheyaliensPurple Pill Man3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Anti feminism is only a big thing online because society has become so much more pro feminist in the past few years. Same with racism, people are rapidly becoming less racist (at least in America, the opposite seems to be happening in Europe with the backlash against migrants) so the people who are still racist are getting redder in the face.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Same with racism, people are rapidly becoming less racist (at least in America, the opposite seems to be happening in Europe with the backlash against migrants)

Nah, the problem is that there are a lot "fair weather xenophiles" out there, who like to harbor progressive notions of other cultures and other people but are only able to do so unimpeded because said cultures and peoples usually stay thousands of miles away. And in Europe, that fair weather-period is pretty much over - and you don't have to be racist to be opposed to people who happen to be of another race taking advantage of you and your society. If we had a two huge ass-oceans separating us from the rest of the world (and thus limiting the potential influx of unwanted migration to an absolute minimum), the backlash would be a lot weaker.

[–]aretheyaliensPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thing is, racism towards Gypsies and Poles is also increasing. It's not just towards Islamists and criminal elements.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I assume you're refering to the UK. Well, that's the consequence of the actual racists feeling vindicated by the fact that the majority shares at least one element of their worldview (Brexit).

[–]redditicantrecall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's more ethnic-ism than true racism but why Poles? Gypsies usually were stigmatized because they were nomads and therefore suspicious to many, but Poles?

[–]BajaBlast904 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm here because I have a healthy amount of skepticism for everything. I don't really label myself as "red", "blue" or "purple" just someone who wants to "unplug" myself from certain ideologies and grow

For me purple pill debate is a place where I can engage in critique of feminism, RP, and sexuality on a neutral level. Although, despite the sub claiming that PPD is "neutral" I have seen a definite slant in red.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Same here I’m anti ideology to the max but I get mistaken for all three colors depending on who I’m talking to

In its truest sense RP is supposed to be anti ideology though

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In its truest sense RP is supposed to be anti ideology though

Lol. RP is an ideology though..

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It has become one but the original matrix analogy is about unplugging from ideology

Trp is less like that and more like a revolutionary ideology attempting to over throw the old order

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I understand that might have been the intent, but I've been aware of TRP for a number of years and it has always been ideologically driven as long as I've seen it.

[–]BajaBlast900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you've ever seen The Matrix then you would understand the concept of "red pill", which is where the term came from. Red pill essentially means unplugging from ideologies, freeing your mind and becoming "awakened".

Unfortunately the manosphere adopted the pill and completely perverted the meaning. It went from being about freeing your mind and accepting reality to this warped sense of manhood. It's meant to be a mental, emotional and spiritual state of being instead of getting hung up on gender roles.

I think some red pill men have understood the concept of "unplugging" and have been living elevated lives while the rest of the manosphere wishes they were on that level but lack the self awareness

[–]PennnyLameMade a margarita once5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nah. I am blue. I am a feminist. I’m unchanged by PPD.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Am i a pretty girl because i said so?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're here since when exactly?

[–]PennnyLameMade a margarita once1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I originally started lurking in 2015/2014 maybe?

[–]OfSpock4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red pillers seem to have been brought up on Disney cartoons and thus have a starting point of "Blue pill is people who believe in the Disney lie." Of course normal people seem red compared to that.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is my impression of reddit as well. A lot of "left"-leaning (I say "left" because they don't seem all that concerned with socioeconomic issues as compared to intersectional feminism or whatever) users seem to be moving to conquer certain subs, passively repeating whatever ideological rhetoric they've picked up and notoriously downvoting any comment that shows even the slightest deviation from their ideology.

In some sense, a lot of people don't seem to be on reddit to discuss at all.

[–]formerlymyselfPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Any thoughts on when this started happening? I haven't been on this sub or a regular Reddit user that long, but in terms of this type of behavior on social media (immediate excommunication of anyone who deviates from the party line), I saw a definite shift after November 2016. I've been shocked and dismayed by the illiberal behavior of my left-leaning friends in the past 18 months. Was this happening on Reddit prior to that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea, unfortunately. Wish I did. But yeah, after "The Apprentice: White House Edition" started airing, SJW behavior has started to go a bit nuts.

[–]the_calibre_cat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're like red state Democrats

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So I was just browsing changemyview the sub reddit and on the front page were issues like sexual objectification and some of the arguments by “normal” people there are so cartoonishly feminist, that I just remembered why anti feminism became such a thing in 2016 onward.

I'm proudly feminist. I say so openly in any company.

I don't think I'm redder than 90% of reddit. I'm not red at all. I'm embarrassed by 90% of the what the reds say and believe in, because it's fucking embarrassing to have a group of men who believe in that shit.

Of my male friends who say they're feminist, none of them seem red at all. Most prefer the word 'equalist' though. I use the word feminism because it seems fine to me. I'd be fine with it being changed though because it's had a bad rap due to extremists.

[–]CaliEd2561 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would say most RP believers got burned by a bad woman, so they are looking for answers as to WHY it happened, and how to prevent it from happening again.

Why is it fucking embarrassing for them to want a better life for themselves? And their kids? Sure, there’s extremism, but that happens within any ideology.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is it fucking embarrassing for them to want a better life for themselves?

Strawman question.

It's the stuff they believe in and go on about that is embarrassing.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even the idea that feminism is getting a bad rep didn’t exist just 2014ish

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here being blue pill just means you aren't red pill.

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[–]Young_Oryx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Haha, you're probably right. I was hanging out with some honest to goodness SJWs the other day, and it was terrible. Look, I'm liberal as anything, but some people just need to lighten up and not look for reasons to be offended.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

The "justice for Lychees" foundation is offended by your tag. Please change it to Lychees are fruits too or suffer the social media onslaught and a recall ballot removing you as a mod.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

What does that even mean? Is it just some inside joke among the women on this subreddit?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, an inside joke for MadSci.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

irc hen house memes

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You do not seriously believe the women are going to impart the mystical knowledge of the LYCHEE to some random prole like you, come on Bro. Not happening.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

cluck cluck cluck cluck

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You PM’d me asking for our info

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shitposting with squiddy on discord seemed like a fun idea until I realized it was the same ol shit

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

LADYBOY! LYCHEE NO SPRING CHICKEN!

[–]Young_OryxEats plants and talks shit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I NO PSYCHO. YOU! YOU PSYCHO LADYBOY!

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I looked up your flair. How dare you talk when you got FEET MOGGED?!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its meaning could not possibly be more obvious. Lychee wants baby.

I mean, duh.

[–]Young_OryxEats plants and talks shit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a woman, I feel very oppressed by this complaint. I demand that the Lychee Organization give me a pound of their delicious flesh as reparations for the horrible suffering they've caused me.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Enjoy your female privilege while it lasts, we are waking up and will no longer tolerate your entitlement. But in the meantime Amazon prime will deliver lychees prepared by 6 y old Chinese work exchange students to your house by local drone.

[–]rpwthrowaway2016LD LTR2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Heh, I once made a statement like "on average, women are more nurturing than men" to my social circle and got called out for being sexist (including by men). I guess any statement of gender differences is sexist now??

Oh, and I had a friend who fit the internet stereotype of a SJW to a T. Daddy issues, posting on social media about how much she hates her dad (but still happy to take his money to go to grad school to study sociology) and posting "I bathe in male tears"-type memes unironically.

[–]BirdManBrrrr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess any statement of gender differences is sexist now??

Yes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm offended. /s

[–]Young_OryxEats plants and talks shit2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry :( Here, I made a safe space for you.

I'm learning to speak their language

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

yes. one of the things you notice when people take a stand but theyre faced with overwhelming evidence against is what I call "ideological bending". I don't want to be all bravetheist fedora but a great example is Christians, they'll talk about the bible etc etc but they'll admit that they know the earth isn't 6000 years old and evolution and most of these other sections are bullshit blah blah blah

Blues here bend hard. They can't deny red frame.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Christians cheat on their taxes and spouses just like everybody else but deny it, blues act like reds all the time but deny it. Both groups smile and wink when you call bullshit.

[–]BajaBlast904 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Speaking of Christian, I've noticed that despite being hardcore supporters of patriarchy and traditional values, many RP don't seem that religious or close to God in any way.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's because rp and religion have very little overlap, if any.

[–]BajaBlast903 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Then what is with the big show they put on about traditional values? Especially your red pillers who support conservative Christianity? Seems like they just cherry picked the parts of the bible that are patriarchal in nature.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They just want an easy blueprint to pussy which is what conservative religion offers, that has nothing to do with being RP.

[–]BajaBlast900 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not sure how you would define red pill then? I don't think red pill is just an approach to women but it's regarded as a way of life in different aspects i.e. health, manhood, wellness.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that would be redpill. You mentioned nothing about religion.

[–]BajaBlast901 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Many red pillars do incorporate religion in their lives, or at least they attempt to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just because you throw a bunch of evidence at someone doesn't make the evidence sound.

Blues here bend hard. They can't deny red frame.

Meanwhile reds don't bend at all no matter what is shown to them, they instead double down on their rhetoric when proven wrong.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh they bend

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]CaliEd2560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct for some, incorrect for most.

[–]AloneOnTheStrange7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much. There are two types of Blue Pillers. The first is the type that is not exposed to pill ideologies, and is thus blue by default. The other is the type that hangs around places like these.

The latter do believe Red Pill ideas, because they're exposed to them so much that they're pretty hard to deny. So their stance is something like "Yeah guys who are tall, attractive, work out, practice self improvement, are popular, and have nice jobs are going to get more women, but I'm still totally blue!" They're generally more blue in regards to Red Pill stances on feminism, AWALT, hamstering ect. But when it comes to sexual strategy, they are red in all but name.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Lol. That is blue pill to anyone who isn't completely oblivious. "Red pill" is the more extreme stuff, they aren't moderate.

[–]AloneOnTheStrange3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Is it really though? If you go to places outside TRP, TBP, PUA, PPD ect. that sort of advice is rare. In places that aren't associated with pills and seduction the advice will be "respect women, be nice, you'll find someone eventually". That, to me, is true blue.

Remember, that's what TRP was originally intended to counter; the genuinely ineffective dating advice that permeates western culture.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Literally a TRP argued with me what I said “TRP is not about respecting women.”

From your examples, you’ll have RPers and BPers arguing over a) the specific definitions of each and b) whether it’s “red pill” or not.

[–]AloneOnTheStrange1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In that case, what would you call the type of advice that says be nice=get women, if not blue?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good question. As a RPer or someone who buys into that rhetoric yeah I’d call that blue pill.

But OP is talking about bloops here as if they define us differently

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That is blue pill to anyone who isn't completely oblivious.

Blue is being oblivious. I mean, that's the entire point of the metaphore.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You are right, in keeping in context with the original metaphor that is part of it. OP is talking about bloops here. I don’t think women liking attractive, fit men with decent jobs is particularly red pill as if “blue pill” would mean that women like the opposite or something.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think women liking attractive, fit men with decent jobs is particularly red pill as if “blue pill” would mean that women like the opposite or something.

The point is acknowledging these preferences without sugarcoating them ior coming up with halo effect-excuses.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I wouldn’t say RP is just BP without sugarcoating. But I guess if you water RP down it can look like that.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, depends on what you consider BP. If you say that it's like totes obvious, widely accepted and uncontested that women vastly prefer those men RP says they're into (which I dare to say is definitely not the case, but let's roll with it), then BP is RP with sugarcoating.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not just those statements themselves but all else that they entail

Investigating those thoughts further will lend credence to ideas like hypergamy and branch swinging etc

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Typically the more general the statement is the less controversial it is when it comes to RP IME.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Take my challenge then post something like this on the CMV sub

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Posting on a CMV sub is asking for people to disagree with you so you’d expect ppl who disagree to be the primarily posting.....

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure. Said guy could be an ardent feminist as well, and a hippie nature lover to boot.

[–]BirdManBrrrr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Yeah guys who are tall, attractive, work out, practice self improvement, are popular, and have nice jobs are going to get more women, but I'm still totally blue!"

"ACKSCHUALLY...that's all just common sense, anyone can find any of that anywhere lol Red Pill is stoopid idk RP didn't make anything new that advice is obvious to everybody lmao!"

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO it’s mostly because “true blues” and people in the pillosphere lack a shared frame of reference. IRL I’m a big old bleeding heart leftist but I know that if I came on here and started deconstructing the discursive regime of PPD or whatever I’d get as many proverbial blank stares as if I went up to one of my professors and started talking about dread game. A major hallmark of good communication is being able to play to your audience and speak their language, and I think most of the blues on here are smart enough to know that.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I was just saying this the other day, the majority of the blues who stick around here on PPD are closer to purple in their views. The "hardcore bloops" get sick of this place when they can't use it circlejerk.

Same goes for the terps though, the hardcore ones tend to get sick of PPD for the same reason so the terps on PPD are far more moderate than the ones on TRP.

[–]S1imdragxn[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s truly a purple ass place then

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes indeed. Purple has become it's own little "thing" in the pill-o-sphere by this point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well I got banned from r/surfing from posting here, so all of us are definitely under suspicion 😅

The “Blue” attitude is refusing to engage in these kinds of discussions.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How do you know that was the reason for your ban? The only place I’ve been banned from to my knowledge is MRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It’s a sidebar rule, they don’t usually enforce it but I was arguing with the mod.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s a sidebar rule you can’t be a member of a pill sub or something?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah exactly. Posting on PPD is assumed to support racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc.

You can guess what I think. 😏

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are certain subs that have bots which ban anyone who posts in subs they don't like. Many of those subs are random and nothing to do with political issues, but they have SJW mods.

If you ask them why you're banned they'll tell you it's because you posted in a "hate sub" or some such nonsense.

I know because my sub /r/TumblrInAction is on that bot's ban list so I get people asking me why they were banned from random subs after posting there.

The subs that do this include /r/offmychest (hence the creation of /r/TrueOffMyChest), /r/blackladies, /r/naturalhair, and /r/rape. That last one is particularly evil imo because it's a support sub for rape victims. Apparently you are not allowed to have that support if you post in subs the mods don't like.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sucks but I guess they can ban whoever they please. I’m sub’s to r/TIA and I’ve not been banned anywhere although I don’t regularly comment there.

[–]newName543456went volcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends.

Militiant ones can be reds "in denial".

Many naive, "peaceful" ones are blue through and through. But naive ones are usually less hostile, so I don't step on them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blues are SJW cucks and nerds.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

What people consider “Red” or “Blue” varies depending on who you ask. You are going to have to give your definition of “Red” and “Blue”.

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

One type of 'blue' means 'typical views from The Blue Pill subreddit', the other means normie

[–]Offhisgame1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tbp sub is silly itself. Its like comparing libertarians to socialists. Most people arent extreme in every way

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

That is really vague.

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Typical views of The Blue Pill subreddit are highly progressive and intersectionalist, seeing the crusade for the protection of minorities as the keystone of current social debate. Normie meaning the most baseline views you can find on sitcoms and movies appealing to the broadest audiences

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Typical views of The Blue Pill subreddit are highly progressive and intersectionalist, seeing the crusade for the protection of minorities as the keystone of current social debate.

You clearly have never actually read the Blue Pill subreddit. It's 2% promoting progressive ideas and 98% mocking the most extreme posts from TRPs, MRAs, and Incels. While serious discussions do occur occasionally that is not the point of the sub nor its primary purpose.

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The 'mocking' is done from an obviously progressive viewpoint

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of it is done from a "hurr durr Terps/Migtows/Incels/MRAs are ridiculous" viewpoint. Yes, that viewpoint is frequently informed by the users being varying degrees of liberal, progressive, feminist, or just logical, but the humor is most often based in pointing out some stupid, hypocritical, or hyperbolic statement or ideology and roundly mocking it for being stupid, not for being conservative or anti-feminist.

But so what? I'm not sure what your original point was, I just disagreed with your description of TBP.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree for most of the blues here... but I do see an ardent feminist in here every now and then who really isn't even willing to engage with RP ideas at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red pill is truth. Truth is based on science and reason. People here are more open to some form of logical thought, thus they are red. They only fear being lumped in with some of the statements of reds - its understandable but a far more attractive evil to be in then the SJW wackos.

[–]04837274535683235475 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The only pills incels should be taking are 50 pills of Panadol so they overdose and die. They are a waste of space and resources and nothing more. I laugh so hard when one of them hangs themselves.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do not encourage violence or self harm.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they didn't uncosciously agree with TRP or parts of it they wouldn't be here. But I don't think reddit as a whole is so bluecucked.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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