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Looking through the posts of redpill, I have noticed that they have changed throughout the years. The more recent ones tend to include more whiny men, and when you try to understand why they whine so much, you realize that they actually dislike or hate women. Redpill isn't so much about the male imperative anymore, it's more about 'I hate women how can I dedicate my life to piss them off'. Redpillers are basically becoming MGTOWs, and I believe this will be harmful for the younger generation of men who will end up despising women which will prevent them from forming healthy relationships. CMV.


[–]stats13559 points60 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

TRP and MGTOW has never really been all that different to begin with. Getting women and sex takes work for a man. They require investment of time and money. As far as I'm concerned there are only two conclusions that you can draw from that. It is either worth the investment or it isn't. That is what sets RP and MGTOW apart. RP still see enough value in women to put in the effort of being attractive enough to attract one, while MGTOW do not. I don't really think one is more correct than the other. A lot of this depends on the circumstances a given man is in.

A far as the whole "forming healthy relationships" go, that's just meaningless bullshit since RP and BP have a fundamentally different view of what a good relationship is. I would view that having a women settle down with me just before her looks start to fade, after spending the last decade of youth fucking Chads, as the worst possible outcome. But somehow BP think there is nothing wrong with this.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Exactly. A man might serve his (genetic) interests better being MGTOW than pursuing sex and relationships. He can turn around and benefit his nephews, cousins, etc. rather than wasting time and resources pursuing women which will end up just benefiting another man. It's a perfectly viable alternative if you are analyzing the situation from the genetic perspective, and one pursued (forced on by circumstances or otherwise) by men throughout history

[–]gold_shower0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

He can turn around and benefit his nephews, cousins, etc.

Priesthood is back!!

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Many priests in the early Middle Ages had children, had sex, got married. Clerical celibacy was an ideal and I don't believe was enforced until later (and we see this in Catholicism and not other faiths and denominations)

I occasionally see the idea pop up that priests and shaman types were social options for the nerds and incels, this is a conception for brainlets

[–]gold_shower0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I had made the comment based on

He can turn around and benefit his nephews Which is the origin of the term Nepotism; Cardinals helping their nephew.

priests and shaman types were social options for the nerds and incels, this is a conception for brainlets

Agree on Priesthood. But pretty sure, monastic life was a real option for an incel. Priest and Monk are totally different because a Priesthood was kind of a clerical position and a secular priest operated in society/parish but a Monk detached himself from society and became like a basement dwelling nerd who never went out of his Monastery( e.g: discalsed Carmelites). Moreover a monk need not to be an ordained priest because in medieval Europe one needed to have some brain to study Latin and theology. So almost any anti-social retard could become a Monk, though you needed to somewhat ability to become a priest.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

An option for an incel for sure, but not necessarily just for incels

[–]gold_shower0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Is it possible in near future that non-religious monastic life could come back as an alternative for incels? Lots of them live on goverment handouts or don't wanna engage in society. That would be interesting if at all possible.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't know

The social institution already exists in monastery, why can't people just find spirituality/religion and join one of them?

[–]gold_shower0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No because of death of religion in west and death of religious sexual morality. Very hard to find incels who are religious men who will isolate themselves for religion and put themselves on a strict no-fap diet.

I was thinking as a secular/new age monastery where men can detach themselves from society. Probably not going to happen.

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[–]gold_shower0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No because of death of religion in west and death of religious sexual morality. Very hard to find incels who are religious men who will isolate themselves for religion and put themselves on a strict no-fap diet.

I was thinking as a secular/new age monastery where men can detach themselves from society. Probably not going to happen.

[–]InternationalProfile1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Getting women and sex takes work for a man. ... It is either worth the investment or it isn't. That is what sets RP and MGTOW apart.

That's a pretty huge difference. By your logic, fat people and fit people are essentially the same because it comes down to a decision about whether working out and eating right is worth the investment. Fat people think it isn't, fit people think it is.

[–]xxxrivenmainxxx2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

but fat people and fit people dont agree on the same world view like MGTOWS and Red pill does.

and yeah, whats the difference between fat people and fit people , except that fit people work and and eat right while fat people dont?

[–]InternationalProfile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

but fat people and fit people dont agree on the same world view like MGTOWS and Red pill does.

Sure they do. The vast majority of fat people understand that eating less will make them less fat. The vast majority of fat people understand that exercising more will make them less fat. For the most part they don't have a fundamentally different view of nutrition and fitness; they just don't care enough about it (at least in comparison to other things) to prioritize it.

and yeah, whats the difference between fat people and fit people , except that fit people work and and eat right while fat people dont?

That by itself is already an enormous difference. It's the difference between a student who studies and one who doesn't, an employee who shows up every day and one who doesn't, a teammate who tries on every play and one who doesn't, etc. It's night and day if you've ever been on both sides of any of those situations. And then there's the whole underlying mentality that drives those actions: The long-term planning, the commitment, the perseverance through adversity, etc. It's a fundamentally different approach to the same issue.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Somewhat true. You get the feeling that MGTOW was a different camp of it, like PUA not something else entirely.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very good post. Agree.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism22 points23 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

It seems like a natural response given the entitlement of modern women, not to mention the fact that a man is now potentially on the hook for lifetime rape accusations once he has sex with a woman.

I've said it before, but if prostitution or some other substitute the average and below average guy can use becomes widespread and accessible, the 'need' to continuously chase women and run game full-time will vanish quite thoroughly. This is why you see so many women enraged when they hear about sex robots.

Nevertheless, I still disagree with your overall argument. TRP, almost always regardless of the social or legal climate, will want you to chase women and continue running game on them. Keep in mind that TRP is completely against sexbots (there was a post where an EC went on his alt-account to make that an announcement post, just lol), and they are also inclined to say shit like "he just didn't have good enough game" when a guy gets hit with a regret rape accusation.

The older people on there who have perspective and understanding of the value of pussy will probably leaning MGTOW, but honestly at that point the subreddit doesn't really provide any value for men in that category.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman11 points12 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Where are all these legions of women enraged by sex robots?

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism19 points20 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

[–]SmurfESmurferson13 points14 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Hi. Actual feminist here.

I give no shits about a sex doll. Nor do any of my friends.

I'm sure you can rustle up some pissed of "feminists," to prove your point. But they're not indicative of anything.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape20 points21 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The Guardian and NY Times are less indicative then your friends for what reason exactly?

And how one becomes an “actual feminist”? By anonymously posting “Actual feminist here” on the Internet?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Same reason that the MGTOWs here try to convince us that the MGTOWs on that sub aren’t the “real MGTOWs” because they’ve veered off what MGTOW is supposed to be about. Well, we contend that the feminists on those articles aren’t really feminists. We’re the actual feminists. If you don’t like it, take it up with the MGTOWs.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Believe me or not, feminists writing those articles call themselves actual feminists, too. So why do I take your word and not theirs, especially considering that you and them are pretty much comparable in unintentional clowning and hypocrisy?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The same reason you take MGTOWs that rant about how the men in MGTOW subs aren’t the “real MGTOWs”. If you believe one group, but won’t take the word of another, then you sir, are the hypocrite.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I understand your natural urge to hide behind men, but still, I'm talking directly to you and other self proclaimed "feminists" now, not MGTOW.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

And I understand your natural urge for hypocrisy.

If you’re not willing to do anything about that, then I don’t think you have much of a ground to stand on. Sorry.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No true Scotsman fallacy.

[–]yetAnotherEvasion5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hi. Actual feminist here.

Are you in a leadership position? Do you actively speak out and work against the ones that are? If not, you don't matter beyond giving weight of numbers to the ones that are.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What will you say when they're banned? Because when they get good enough, they will be. Your peers are already started with making a fuss over this, it's toast.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

"The" feminists equals a few opinion pieces. K. I don't care if men want sex robots. Go for it.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not a few opinion pieces. Those are literally the first several pieces I found within a half-second Google search (and I didn't even do a query search that was extremely specific). I love how you tried/meant to put "feminists" in quotes as if it's only an extreme minority of feminism that is opposed to sex robots/dolls, and as if feminism isn't in a constant state of self-contradiction by default.

[–]chevalblanc742 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, even if a majority of feminists are upset sex robots, who cares? A lot of them are also upset about porn, but that doesn't stop people from watching it.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay take it up with them.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you identify as a feminist?

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does it matter?

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct thank you for your compilation.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

There aren’t any. It’s a male revenge fantasy.

The availability of prostitutes has done little to nothing to change the value of women in countries where prostitution is legal (Germany, Netherlands), and it’s not going to do anything here either. Tbh all of this makes the future even more entertaining when men get their sex dolls/robots for a day, get bored and then run back to chasing women like they’ve always done.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The availability of prostitutes has done little to nothing to change the value of women in countries where prostitution is legal (Germany, Netherlands)

Well, prostitution is kind of expensive in Germany (goes against the accessibility principle I mentioned). Nevertheless, Germany actually is not a terrible country for a man who wants to go MGTOW, though I question its stability.

Tbh all of this makes the future even more entertaining when men get their sex dolls/robots for a day, get bored and then run back to chasing women like they’ve always done.

That's assuming they get bored, and that's assuming women are actually a better alternative. But yeah, keep pretending that sex robots/dolls doesn't bother you in the slightest ;)

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol funny how your rebuttal about the prostitutes in Germany was not only a shaky, weak one, but you couldn’t say anything about Netherlands because you know you have no rebuttal against it. Hahaha

My assumptions actually have a lot more credibility than yours do because they are backed by centuries of male behavior. The existence and easy accessibility of prostitutes has done nothing to reduce the value of women. Neither has the development and prevalence of porn. Men are just as thirsty as their ancestors have always been. Sorry.

Your revenge fantasies only act as fodder for our future entertainment, when the emergence of sex dolls/robots does little to nothing to change the value of women or the thirst for men towards women. Bring on the sexbots! I need a laugh.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol funny how your rebuttal about the prostitutes in Germany was not only a shaky, weak one

"shaky, weak" yet you don't even attempt to actually rebuttal it.

Netherlands because you know you have no rebuttal against it.

I don't know enough about prostitution in the Netherlands to really comment. Judging by their fertility and marriage rates, it's not really indicative of anything to support your argument.

My assumptions actually have a lot more credibility than yours do because they are backed by centuries of male behavior.

Did you account for context? Like the fact that no-fault divorce and the overall privileged rights of women didn't exist or sparingly did so?

The existence and easy accessibility of prostitutes has done nothing to reduce the value of women. Neither has the development and prevalence of porn.

When have highly advanced and realistic sex dolls and robots ever existed in human history? This, again, is also ignoring the context of the fact that women weren't nearly as entitled and difficult to put up with in most of history, and that men had societal/institutional protection in things like marriage, which is fundamentally absent in today's manifestation.

Your revenge fantasies only act as fodder for our future entertainment, when the emergence of sex dolls/robots does little to nothing to change the value of women or the thirst for men towards women. Bring on the sexbots! I need a laugh.

The funny thing is it's merely you the one who has the revenge-rage fantasy. It kills you inside to know that men can reach self-actualization without women, and you are sitting here with a smug grin trying to maintain frame like you aren't upset by sex dolls/bots when you evidently are. Ironically, the only potential way sexbots might help women is if it pushes men to search for emotional intimacy (over looks) with a woman, unfortunately, you and your bitterness against men will exclude you from being the woman they seek said intimacy with.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha nice cop out. Here you go about Germany. Prostitutes are actually cheaper than before due to increased supply. And a simple google search would reveal like 10 more articles and statistics like that. If you’re going to lie, at least find a lie that has some evidentiary basis instead of embarrassing yourself like you’re doing here. The fertility and marriage rate (rate, not numbers, because there are less people there) in Netherlands is actually about the same as that in the US. And the divorce rate is about 30%, which is less than in the US, so I have no idea what you’re babbling about.

Did porn exist before porn started existing? Lol do you know that the prevailing thought and fear among women when porn just started to be more widespread was that it would replace women and women worried about trying to compete? And then what happened? Men got the porn that they wanted and then they were back the next day, chasing and pandering after women, like they’ve always done. It didn’t change shit, no one is falling for that again. The existence of prostitution has been centuries old, and it has never changed the value of women. I even did a disservice to prostitutes by just mentioning those two countries, because we both know that prostitution is as old as time, and it has never, in the history of mankind, reduced the value of women. We all know that sex for men isn’t just about the physical pleasure, it’s about the validation that you receive knowing that a woman actually chose you and found you worthy for sex.

Lol bud, most men are useless without women. You can barely get off your couches without the prospect of a woman or having a woman propel you forward. And so you waste your time online throwing tantrums about how you continue to get rejected. I know what value I bring, and I’m very well sought after. Probably can’t say the same for you tbh. Sexbots can’t compete with me, or any other woman on this sub or most other women in the world. Plus I don’t need to have revenge fantasies, because reality supports me and the other women’s assessment of how sexbots would affect anything. Would I encourage the development of sexbots if I was upset about it? Lol. But you spouting nonsense about how sexbots are going to change anything is very clearly a revenge fantasy that you built up because women “hurt” you or did you or other men wrong. Welp, too bad. Again, bring on the sexbots! You’re the not first guy to come in here on his high horse and try and convince us about how sexbots would change everything -this discussion has been had over and over again, and even men here agree that sexbots aren’t really going to change anything. Sorry.

And lol at men searching for emotional intimacy over looks. Your “context” of women being entitled is really only in the minds of men that are entitled themselves. Men are such shallow fucks that prioritize looks so much and whine when you don’t get what you want. Just like you’ll continue to whine even after the sexbots come out. It’s going to be hilarious! Thanks for the laugh.

[–]Bahmanis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this post right here, is the definitive black-hole "nuclear-meltdown" pill.

the purest unfiltered and unapologetic suicide fuel.

half of us posses innate value; the rest of us don't. this is the one universal truth.

we either swallow this and cope, or leave on our own terms.

[–]Bahmanis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i would like to amend my previous statement, in the spirit of positivity.

half of us possess innate sexual value; the rest of us don't.

[–]chevalblanc741 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are prostitutes really that pricey? There has to be a medium between lot lizard and elite escort service.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They’re not. This is what it’s really like in Germany. He just lied to try to save his argument, and then failed miserably.

[–]chevalblanc740 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Article even included non-German sex tourists. Don't know about prices elsewhere, but this looks pretty affordable.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an accurate post.

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[–]Fabianstrategy1Asshole with asshole opinions8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW is the logical conclusion of Red Pill Philosophy. Frame Holding becomes tiresome and has diminishing returns. It's so much easier to just not care and pump and dump. Women mistake indifference for confidence all the time anyway.

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[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!33 points34 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm TRP, not MGTOW, used to make fun of MGTOW but now respecting it more.

My problem with Red Pill is like you said they are still slaves to the vagina, just now they are doing it in a way that works. For example you could say "I really enjoy running marathons" and take shit because "that kills your gains, you'll have no muscles, women won't respect you as much"

Well who gives a shit. I love to lift and work out but every little thing is about attracting women while also saying "don't worry about dumb women, you are free to do whatever". You can't fucking have both.

The majority of the advice is rock solid but I firmly believe in doing something for yourself over women. That doesn't mean play video games every day. It also doesn't mean taking up an activity you have zero interest in just to get laid

[–]InternationalProfile2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My problem with Red Pill is like you said they are still slaves to the vagina, just now they are doing it in a way that works.

This is like saying that anyone who works for anyone else is a wage slave. There are certainly jobs where that term might apply, but there are plenty of jobs where it doesn't. The idea is to learn how to be in the latter group instead of the former.

If I'm working from home and making great money at a job I generally enjoy, go ahead and call me a wage slave just because I'm working for someone else. Why the fuck would I care? I'm getting everything I want and more. By the same token, if I'm getting laid by the women I want on my terms, call me a slave to vagina all you want. Who cares?

[–]dumb_intj1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice humblebrag, but you have to understand that working for yourself is the exception. The vast majority of people hate their jobs and they are wageslaves.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How many words from this did you use a thesaurus for

[–]newName543456went volcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tradcons advocate spinning plates?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean mainstream US beta male culture?

[–]prostate-apostatespectacle beta4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Unlikely as long as most men can get something out of the current SMP they won't go mgtow also most people don't know what trp and mgtow are .

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, i think it's heading there fast. The thing at the herbivore men is that they are also rejecting being slaves to the corporate world like their fathers.

And male workforce participation rate is already dropping. Add i can't say i blame them. I've known so many men work insane hours to build wealth just to lose everything in divorce

[–]mojobytesGiven Up1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not unless they drop the weird libertarian bent.

[–]Marino4KPurple with a splash of Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To expand on your idea, TRP is just a shell, a generalization. Within it, there’s only MGTOW or PUA. It’s like a pill within the pill.

[–]concacanca40 points41 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

To an extent yes.

The thing you don't seem to understand is that, faced with the red pill, people go one of three ways:

1) double down on the blue pill. Essentially strap on the blinkers and become a white knight.

2) follow a path of self improvement, become more successful with women, mellow out and probably end up purple. I'd put guys like /u/MercedesBenzoAMG and /u/cxj in this category (tell me of that's not right guys!). Some people here hang about to help out others as mentors like /u/triadis3

3) see the struggle as pointless or not worth the effort and go MGTOW. There are two sub branches of this: the incels and the perennial plate spinners (like squid)

So when you think about it, it's not a surprise that there are a lot of incel/mgtow posts on there. Group 1 won't post because they reject it. Group 2 will only post when they have something specific to talk about unless they are the ECs, and they are vastly outnumbered by group 3.

As to your string-bet assertion that Redpill has failed, I don't see the evidence for that. Firstly the sidebar, the source of Redpill advice, remains in full view. Secondly, MGTOW is still a viable outcome for the Redpill (even if it's not the one that the core sub envisages. Thirdly, it slowly seems to be seeping into the MSM more frequently and lastly, if they only helped one guy a week they'd still call it a success - they don't market themselves (don't talk about fight club).

Compared to exredpill which is a bit of a wasteland and the slow decline of thebluepill, the hateful cunts who inhabited it seem to now be more of a scourge on this sub than the incels, I'd say it's doing ok.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your assessment in group 2. Fact is red pill is something you take, learn, and move on. I rarely post there anymore but love posting here for the debates. If you're 3-4 years in on red pill and still talking about "hamstering" and shit then you're stunting your own growth.

First step of red pill is indeed anger phase, but once you get to acceptance you (hopefully) realize it isn't "women are evil and have lied to us!" And more "wow society still operates on hard wired evolutionary rules even if it acts not to" which apply to both women AND men

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perfectly said.

[–]Hayasaka-chan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just so I'm following what you're trying to say: what would be an example of a "hard wired" evolutionary rule? I'm not sure I understand what that means.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men being attracted to fertility and women being attracted to ability to provide for their offspring is a perfect example. It's why many career women are absolutely confused at their lack of marriage success. It's because they are displaying traits they are attracted to, masculine traits, and are confused that men don't want it.

Similar to "nice guys". They are showing feminine traits such as communication, kindness, understanding, sympathy, etc and struggle to understand why women aren't attracted to it

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tbh I never really followed a path of self improvement. TRP was descriptive rather than prescriptive for me. I only discovered the manosphere after suffering a false accusation by one of my crazy exes lol. Then I sort of checked out of the world

[–]concacanca3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interestingly this is close to my own experience with the Red Pill.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Incels have invaded the MGTOW subreddit. But I would not go as far as saying that they're a sub category of MGTOW.

Can we really argue that they go their own way if they still crave for women validation, or talk 24/7 about how they must be avoided like the plague?

[–]itgscv1Leaning MGTOW1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I unsubbed cause there was absolutely nothing of value there for a long while. Just memes and circlejerking echo chamber.

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The sub is ran poorly. Every now and then I'll check it because they do have good subs or funny memes.

But yea, a lot of the topics on there being no value. Like when I see post of Facebook or Twitter screenshots of what some random chick posted then that's when I know it's going to far.

It's hit or miss at times but that can be said about majority of subs on this site.

[–]sfw30151 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Consider myself to be MGTOW, but I dropped the r/MGTOW shortly after incels lost their subreddit. You could tell that it was moving towards becoming a pit of hate and the mods werent doing anything or werent able to stop it. Shame though it gives MGTOWs a bad name.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey thanks for the mention!

My issue was always more with getting girls to stay than anything else so I didn't follow the typical TRP journey where they just wanna bang sluts.

But all the motivational stuff helped me get my head in order and then my life in a much broader sense and now I have started my own business when just a few years ago I attempted suicide so yeah I'd say self-improvement is my category.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

double down on the blue pill. Essentially strap on the blinkers and become a white knight.

Blue pill is not synonymous with either blinkers or white knighting.

[–]trail2216 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Redpill is about changing yourself to suit what women want.

MGTOW is about being unwilling to become what women want and instead find other ways to be happy.

The game is rigged, one group decides to metagame whle the other refuses to play.

The beliefs may be simialer but its actions that define people.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Redpillers are basically becoming MGTOWs, and I believe this will be harmful for the younger generation of men who will end up despising women which will prevent them from forming healthy relationships.

I agree that more and more men will GTOW. But it will not be because of hatred of women, but more out of necessity.

It won't be harmful for men, because they won't be able to form ANY kind of relationships with women, even if they love women and no matter what kind of Pill they end up ingesting. A bad relationship with a woman is much, much more harmful to a man than no relationship with a woman, or being unable to have or form a relationship with a woman.

Most men aren't attractive enough to get anything with women. That's only getting worse and worse as time goes on. And regardless of whether they're balls to the wall redpillers who lift and run good Game, or they're Blue Pill simp suckups, they won't be able to get anything. They're not attractive enough to get and keep the interest of a woman long term. At all.

MGTOW will be a matter of survival for more and more men as time wears on and the SMP continues to its "singularity" point.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea.

[–]bonusfruit11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mgtow is my home sub, and trp is still committed to spinning plates and simulating alpha behavior in hopes of winning sex. Recently mgtow is a lot of pics of vacations, weekend plans, gaming rings, cars and other ways to enjoy money rather than wasting it on women. Also memes and complaints about women which are always fun but sometimes exhausting. Mgtow will always be more interesting

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I only upvote the posts about MGTOW lifestyles such as vacations, cars, etc.

I am tired of the posts corresponding to the anger phase and focus on women, though a daily reminder is useful.

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how TBP's strategy isn't to deny TRP works, it's to think of juuust the right name to call them to make them defend themselves. In this case it's "MGTOW". Now, believe me, if I was some kind of incel, I might be trolling the parts of of the Internet where I didn't belong. However, MGTOW belong in the manosphere, and you'd better get used to it. So what if they hate women? They speak our language and they don't hate men - that's at least 2 and a half thousand times better than being a feminist, so I'll take it. People like you are banned for concern trolling for a reason.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer28 points29 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW is the only internally consistent conclusion of the RP, and women as a whole don't matter as much to waste your hatred on them. Developing your own mind games to counter her mind games, and still being fundamentally unarmed if she one day decides to destroy your life - is not healthy relationships. It's making a bet with everything you have in a game that she sets the rules in, hoping that she will find you cute and funny enough not to tilt the table in her favor too much. The Red Pill was never about male imperative, unless you believe that male imperative is limited to having sex with women.

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[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole notion of red pill/blue pill, to me, was about truth vs falsehood

Absolutely. More than that, almost exclusively, comfortable falsehood vs harsh truth. I just don't see how "sex is worth everything" is not a comfortable falsehood, and "all women are like that" is not a harsh truth. In this sense, I think MGTOW is "more red pill" than TRP.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW is the only internally consistent conclusion of the RP, and women as a whole don't matter as much to waste your hatred on them.

Explain to me why then is mgtow talk so centered on women.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer12 points13 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It isn't.

Core Youtube "MGTOW classics" rarely talk about women, with probably the only exception of Sandman. Stardusk in one of his recent videos remembered that apparently for the entire time he's been on Youtube, there wasn't a single case of him strictly advocating against marriage for everyone. Bar Bar's videos are almost exclusively centered on different facets of human nature, male and female alike. I was never a big fan of Spetsnaz because of his low production quality. TFM, HuMAN, Stardusk, and many others - pointed out repeatedly that, as one of them said, "men are the primary architects of their own disposability".

If we ignore three additional MGTOW subreddits where talking about women is either deeply frowned upon or outright banned and go directly to /r/MGTOW , most posts related to women there are either made as a warning or for comedy value. If you put a "WARNING: VENOMOUS" sign on a tarantula nest, it doesn't mean that you hate the tarantula; it merely means that you understand the tarantula's nature. But if you lived in the world where humanity-wide limbic system glitch nudged people into perceiving tarantulas as cute pure angelic beings capable of no wrongdoing, you'd get accused of hatred for this warning sign.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I was with you until this:

If we ignore three additional MGTOW subreddits where talking about women is either deeply frowned upon or outright banned and go directly to /r/MGTOW , most posts related to women there are either made as a warning or for comedy value. If you put a "WARNING: VENOMOUS" sign on a tarantula nest, it doesn't mean that you hate the tarantula; it merely means that you understand the tarantula's nature.

Just change the name of the forum to 'fear of women' and have done. None of this 'going their own way' crap. 'cos if you're going your own way, you'll just up and go. You won't get stuck talking endlessly about what you went away from.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sure, as soon as feminists start openly calling themselves "female supremacist matriarchists". The acronym's symbolism points to Briffault's law. If you're together, then she is going her way; you are adapting and following. She is free, and even more free than if she was single; you are not. Period, no exceptions. How much of that is her fault, how much is yours, and how much is mother nature's - is an entirely different question. More power to you if this is the sacrifice you're willingly making, rather than a choice made for you.

None of this 'going their own way' crap. 'cos if you're going your own way, you'll just up and go. You won't get stuck talking endlessly about what you went away from.

Shit, I should inform every potentially lethal disease survivor that if they dedicate the rest of their lives to charity and raising awareness about these diseases, it makes them hypocrites.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Shit, I should inform every potentially lethal disease survivor that if they dedicate the rest of their lives to charity and raising awareness about these diseases, it makes them hypocrites.

Diseases and cancer aren't people. You can't avoid them just by "going your own way" and ignoring them. You can't have a one night stand with cancer every now and again.

You can avoid women and never have to speak about them again, if you want. In the mgtow forums, you're preaching to the converted. So all the warnings about scary tarantula-women is just role-playing fear of women.

[–]SilentLurker6665 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Diseases and cancer aren't people.

Disagree... SJW and radical feminists are literally cancer.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We were talking about the disease, cancer. If you want to use the other definition, then I'm sure lots of people would consider the red pill to be literally cancer.

Can't win the mud-slinging game.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In the mgtow forums, you're preaching to the converted.

It is biologically impossible for mentally healthy men to get perma-converted away from gynocentrism. Which is why Sandman closes his videos with "Thanks for taking your daily dose of red pills" - the Matrix is not a set of sweet lies designed by machines external to your being, but a set of your own brain glitches that you cannot just cut out, it's chronic; being unplugged is the state that needs to be supported. Partially, because we CANNOT avoid women and never have to speak about them again - because it is ILLEGAL to have male-only universities, male-only workplaces, male-only clubs, male-only sports disciplines and organizations; male-only Army Ranger Regiment is no more; Boy Scouts are no more; some SpecOps units are still all-male, but they accept top 1% of top 1% of genes enhanced by top 1% of training. In general day-to-day life, male-only spaces are confined to a row of bathroom stalls and urinals; as soon as we try to have any sort of economic activity among ourselves, if only it turns out profitable, women immediately demand their share of the pie. We cannot all just convert to orthodoxy and move to Mount Athos, especially considering that certain far left activists are right now demanding to allow women to visit it.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can all set up on an island or huge isolated farm, where you all work remotely and never see another woman.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Certain women are already bitching in the media that women should have the upper hand in employment for remote work. But some people are having plans for that; TFM promoted Phil's business (both are MGTOWs); Marcus was announcing his plans to try and open an all-male school; Bar Bar said that he was about to hire a site administrator (if I remember right) and would prefer him to be a MGTOW. So, yes, most likely, the said "isolated farm/island" will eventually be built, and then it will grow and prosper, and then women will come and do what they always did with craftsmen guilds, with state services, with Ivy League, and what they are now trying to do with Mount Athos, and then, 50 years later, someone just like you will again ask, "why don't you guys just build your own spaces?" Collective memory is that short.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All-male schools have a terrible rep for abuses - but yeah, go for it.

I was talking about an island for adult males, all of whom are mgtows or rp. It can be done. There is an island where women have to leave if they have a baby, so I'm sure an all-male island can be done. If you buy the island, it's yours.

Private schools probably use at least a portion of public money etc.

[–]Fabianstrategy1Asshole with asshole opinions2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yet people who survive serious ailments either continue to deal with them or it does become a part of their identity, Cancer survivors for instance, usually become supporters of "the Fight against Cancer".

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, cancer is a disease, not a whole gender. Women are not an ailment. You mgtowites can go live on an island together and never have to deal with women again.

[–]Gamer_Jack_Gameson4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It isn't. Those folks aren't MGTOW. They just post in MGTOW forums because they think they will find a sympathetic ear for their misogyny.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

okay, fair enough. I have nothing against guys who want to opt out of chasing women.

[–]TheMiddlePeakEat the best of both pills6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Improving yourself to the point of having options, learning to set boundaries and learning to filter out shitty women so you can find a mate and eventually start a family... these are things the redpill can help with. Call me old fashioned, tradcon, whatever the fuck you want. I am going over here, and leading a happy life with good boundaries, a community, and a backbone.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

learning to filter out shitty women

Here, I think, is where MGTOWs have a problem. If you put threshold reasonable enough and take risks into account, you filter out all women. Not necessarily because all women are innately shitty, but just because environment rewards and promotes shitty behavior in women. This is solely my perception of the MGTOW argument against NAWALT; in your particular case, more power to you.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If she does tilt the table in her favor too much or drastically reduces your quality of life, that is when you break her jaw

[–]Drippyskippy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The problem with that is it is much easier to prove physical abuse in court than it is to prove emotional abuse.

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[–]Buttery_5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

So, instead of leaving someone who causes you emotional harm, you’d rather physically assault them.

It would be better for all parties if you went on your way.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed! Advocating domestic violence is pretty disgusting.

[–]Buttery_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course it is! One should always try to leave both emotional and physical abuse. Having friends, family and colleagues can help with the leaving process.

I wish for all people to live the Life they want to live.

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[–]storffish5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

this is retarded. getting clocked doesn't ruin somebody's life, it just hurts for a minute. you're basically saying "you ruined my life, so I'm going to make it even worse for myself and give you more ammo to use against me. take that."

ok.

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[–]storffish1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've been clocked many times, and I'd take a haymaker any day over an assault charge

hitting a woman will never "ruin her life," it'll ruin yours and make her a martyr. shell have a feel-good story of overcoming abuse and you'll be in jail.

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[–]Buttery_1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So, you will escalate the situation and get yourself in jail, just to give them a few bruises?

That makes no sense my dude.

I think it will be good for you to get more male friends and just stay away from women in general. 👍🏼

[–]Buttery_4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How is your life ruined if you decide from the get go, to not pursue women? Don’t get me wrong, I am all for self actualization, but you seem a bit toxic.

I think you need more male friends and a sense of purpose that can be gained in something other than the approval of women.

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[–]Buttery_3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hey, I am trying to understand you. I do agree with you, abusive relationships should be avoided or left as soon as possible.

I don’t understand why you’re trying to be hostile? Are you like this in general?

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[–]Buttery_4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Please, don’t try to gaslight me. You just accused me of being buttblasted. That’s not very nice, is it?

So let’s start again. I think you need more friends and people around you to spend time with. I think you need to know your worth, and to understand that others might too. That’s not a judgement on you as a person.

I also think you need to realize, that we are all the main character in our own stories. Please try to remember these things and stop trying to manipulate others into feeling sorry for you.

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[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW is more often than not "I'm not getting fired, I quit" mentality when it comes to women, while TRP is sexual strategy to attract more women. I dont see your point

[–]PlasmaTicks16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

i thin that OP is trying to say that RP is getting overrun by MGTOWs, not that the idea of RP is becoming that of MGTOW

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes. And the black pill types.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

TRP will never really be black-pill. Their posts are filled with sentimentalism and emotional fuel to try to motivate men to keep "gunning" even if they've been shooting blanks for a longtime now. TRP loves to preach how just having good game can save you out of any and all deformities/deficiencies.

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[–]PlasmaTicks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes :V

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on perspective. Taking the blackpill doesn't have to always lead to pessimistic nihilism, though that can lead to it. If a man decides it's really not worth the amount of time and resources he's investing in chasing women and finds another activity/entity to take a focal point in his life that provides him self-actualization, there's nothing wrong with that.

The primary difference between Incel and MGTOWs is perspective. The MGTOWs who struggle to get laid don't care that they can't get laid, but the Incels make it a focal point of their life and frustration.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

while TRP is sexual strategy to attract more women

Nah, TRP is a bunch of delusional gymbro douchebags who yell LIFT LIFT LIFT at the top of their lungs and jack off to themselves at the gym mirror while making loud grunts for no reason to appear "alpha" and "dom" while having a fuckall ugly face.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing11 points12 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Men sent their own way

Real mgtow perma bachelors exist but they're not on r/mgtow. Last time I was there somebody was bragging about his stamp collection in his let's talk about hobbies post. Real hot commodity walking away right there

[–]Gamer_Jack_Gameson14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually the guy talking about his stamp collection instead of talking about women sounds like the true MGTOW to me.

[–]Iceklimber3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Real mgtow perma bachelors exist but they're not on r/mgtow.

Truth has been spoken. Many MGTOWs self-actualise and venture their path away from reddit and/or Youtoob.

I stay there predominantly to redpill the younglings

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism7 points8 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Even if you were right, none of the MGTOWs actually care. They're focused on their own self-actualization, not what makes them more or less attractive to women. And even then, you're wrong, many MGTOW still have casual sex from time to time.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑-5 points-4 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

No one gets “self actualized” by collecting stamps. That’s just your hamster running wild.

MGTOWs are the social and sexual rejects of society, and their woman-hate vitriol is evidence of this.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No one gets “self actualized” by collecting stamps.

The average person probably doesn't, but someone who is very enthusiastic about stamps might.

That’s just your hamster running wild.

Blue-pill female using red-pilled terminology, lmao.

MGTOWs are the social and sexual rejects of society

And even if that were true, again, self-actualized MGTOWs don't give a single shit.

and their woman-hate vitriol is evidence of this.

MGTOWs don't hate women; they're indifferent to them. Some of the greatest philosophers of all-time were noted "misogynists™", but their writings and testaments are still read prominently to this day.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The average person probably doesn't, but someone who is very enthusiastic about stamps might.

Someone who is very enthusiastic about stamps is a massive loser

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And again, a self-actualized man doesn't give a shit about whether what he derives happiness from is cool and trendy or not.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑-5 points-4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hamstering should be pointed out as hamstering. And you’re doing a stellar job of it. Bravo.

And yes, they very obviously give a shit. Men that are failures and that are continually reminded about how they fail with life and with women, react in the butthurt way that MGTOW men react. No one wanted them and now they get to screech in our faces about how awful women are and how they’re going their own way, while somehow they never actually seem to go anywhere.

Also, comparing MGTOW men to actual philosophers is honestly one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen. I mean, my god, how pathetic do MGTOW men have to be to try and compare themselves to philosophers in a desperate attempt to pretend like they have value. It must really suck to be so irrelevant. Yikes.

Edit: Love the downvotes guys! Your collective butthurt and triggeredness just makes my day and proves my point. Keep ‘em coming.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hamstering should be pointed out as hamstering. And you’re doing a stellar job of it. Bravo.

Uh, no, what I'm doing isn't hamstering. Maybe you should learn what the word actually means before misusing it.

No one wanted them and now they get to screech in our faces about how awful women are and how they’re going their own way

Yes, "screech in your face", yet you voluntarily have to decide whether you visit r/MGTOW or not.

Also, comparing MGTOW men to actual philosophers is honestly one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen. I mean, my god, how pathetic do MGTOW men have to be to try and compare themselves to philosophers in a desperate attempt to pretend like they have value. It must really suck to be so irrelevant.

More non-sense and non-sequiturs that has nothing of substance. I was responding primarily to your implication of "their woman-hate vitriol is evidence" of not having value.

Yikes.

Susan?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do know what hamstering means. And trying to rationalize their stamp collecting as “self actualization” is hamstering. Because MGTOWs collect stamps because their losers, not because they are self actualizing.

And I don’t even have to visit their sub. The idiots come here all the time to inform us all the time how awful women are. They spread their stink of desperation and loserdom everywhere they go.

I don’t care what you think doesn’t have value. MGTOWs are neither comparable to philosophers nor are they upstanding men. They are the people that society has shunned, rightfully so, and so they lash out and throw tantrums. If that triggers you because you realize that you’re one of them, then so be it.

[–]mojobytesGiven Up5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Relationships are the only path to self actualization?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑-2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Of course not. But stamp collection sure isn’t either.

[–]mojobytesGiven Up6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But why so mad and insulting over some people trying to find something other than relationships to achieve it?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I’m not mad. Did you see me use all caps or exclamation points? I’m just stating mere observations. And lol my “insulting” is nothing compared to how MGTOWs insult women (in fact, the person that I was arguing with, the one you intercepted, has said that he supports marital rape in a prior argument), so please spare me your righteous indignation.

[–]mojobytesGiven Up0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Didn’t answer my question. I was replying to you, not the other person.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s my response to you. You asked me why I was insulting, and I told you why. I have no idea what other kind of response you wanted.

[–]Fabianstrategy1Asshole with asshole opinions0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

My job is literally to be social and engineer people's personalities so people are happy with their experience, I'm also a divorced dad of 2 and have had several LTRs and maintain 2 FWB currently since my divorce. Where is your God now?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Congratulations?

Your inclination to brag about how you’re still chasing women is incredibly weird, especially considering how MGTOWs take pride in avoiding women and refusing to entertain them to earn sexual favors.

MGTOWs that still enter relationships and causal sex arrangements are hypocrite men that are too thirst and weak-willed to stand by their principles. Honestly the saddest of the bunch.

[–]Fabianstrategy1Asshole with asshole opinions1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They come to me honestly. I do about zero work because frankly I have better things to do. And not all MGTOW are monks, I'd say that may actually be a minority of people who accept the philosophy. The only real hard tenets are don't co-habitate and don't get married.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I do about zero work

Lol suuure you do.

No idea where all these MGTOW men pretending to be Chads suddenly came from. You might be able to convince your echo chamber of circle-jerking loser men about your delusions and fantasies of women coming to you with zero work, but we all know the truth. You’re not fooling anyone here. In fact, this same “work” is probably how MGTOW came to be in the first place. That nagging need and thirst for women is why no man can ever truly be MGTOW. You’re all just fakes that do not have the willpower to stand by your very own principles, so you flit back and forth about what MGTOW “truly means”. Lol. Women control you. That’s probably how it’s always been, and probably how it’s always going to be tbh. Sorry.

[–]Fabianstrategy1Asshole with asshole opinions1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Must be rough being so angry. Tinder not working out for you?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ooof! Terrible recovery. Likely a result of a life haunted by numerous rejections.

How’s the penis implant holding up?

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[–]FalseBuddhaSomething borrowed, something Blue3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you're romanticizing bachelors (and MGTOW) a bit much. I'm pretty certain he meant "bachelor" in the most basic sense of "someone who isn't in, and doesn't desire, a serious relationship".

[–]swingshift63811 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t hate on stamp collectors!!! My gramps left me his .. When I hit 55yo I’ll sell it and retire .

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Like there aren't random guys like that on trp sub?

Last time i was in trp some kid was saying the best way to fuck a hot girl was to fuck a 5 and work your way up? Like some video game or something

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

no, it has been overrun by incels/blackpillers and dorky 20 year old betas.

even if they're not admitting to being incels, they're still pushing retarded ideas like looksmatching.

for example i keep seeing this one idea in posts/comments that some hot guys fuck ugly girls and that is increasing the expectations of ugly girls so now yoi have to be an 8/10 man to fuck a 4/10 woman reeee! these Chads messing up the sexual marketplace!! they need to stop having sex with average or below girls and only have sex with hotties.

and that's clearly a retarded incel concept. TRP is supposed to be about learning how to become Chad, NOT whining about the realities of the SMP and what other people are doing.

meanwhile, the dorky betas are circle jerking about things like "muh mission" and "alpha bucks" and "STEM degree /IT job" and misinterpreting that infamous chart of male vs female SMV over time. they're NOT doing the things that they should be doing (lifting and improving social skills and status), they're just twisting and reinterpreting certain parts of TRP in a way that allows them to continue to be nerdy betas, but while telling themselves that they are top alpha males.

they're literally reinterpreting the RP to somehow suggest following the standard BP recommended lifepath for betas - study hard in school and focus on good grades and get a good degree, a good degree leads to a good job, a good job leads to money which leads to a happy beautiful wife and nice picket fence suburb family.

also it seems like some of the ECs and Mods (who are legit RPers) have seen the growth of TRP and alt-right and also things like #metoo and reddit shutting down undesirable subs. are now they're all caught up in the "importance" of TRP and see themselves as the leaders of some kind of movement. and they've shifted away from simply enjoying the decline and toward a more tradcuck orientation of wanting to fix society and overthrow the liberals/SJWs/feminists or whatever

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel this so hard. I don't actually disagree with most of the normal, applicable tenements of the redpill. I seem to be one of the many many people that's come to many of the same conclusions independently, and was surprised to recognize them in a group of people that, on the surface level, I don't really identify with.

But the whole social movement, "we poor men" victim mentality that suddenly seems to think All Women must admit OUT LOUD that they "have it easier" whenever they're prompted feels like putting chicks on a pedestal just to fling boogers at them. It's the game no one wins, and I can only imagine how bad the sex would be after all that bridge burning.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Another post claiming they know what's MGTOW is about basing themselves mainly on what they saw from the MGTOW subreddit.

If you think MGTOW is about disliking or hating women, then I have no idea what to tell you. It's about opting out of society because of how it treats men.

The actual MGTOW subreddit does such a poor representation of MGTOW that I browse it less and less. Who is interested in reading a forum in which 99% of posts are about women are monsters? I don't.

You have the wrong view about MGTOW to begin with so how can we successfully challenge it?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m sorry, but this is just a cop out. The reason why we use the internet sub of what MGTOW is, is because that’s where the MGTOW notion started from and revealed its presence - the internet. It’s also where we find the most MGTOW men. You cannot, in good faith, describe a phenomenon, when it’s members and followers are doing the exact opposite. Just because you have a personal way of practicing MGTOW doesn’t change the overarching message that MGTOW men portray.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

is because that’s where the MGTOW notion started from and revealed its presence

Not really, MGTOW started more so from Stardusk and barbarossa in the early 2010s and their content has a far more sophisticated and mature tone than the average content posted on r/MGTOW.

I think /u/Million-Suns is kind of misrepresenting the implied purpose of r/MGTOW, where r/MGTOW2 might be a better alternative.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah indeed, thanks Jcart105.

I shall keep that distinction and nuance in mind next time I attempt to clarify what's MGTOW is about.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

About time those roosterswoke up.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

People say MGTOW is about doing your own think and TRP is about sex and nothing else,

I disagree. TRP is primarily about knowledge. It strips back the veil many were raised with and exposes the truth of gender dynamics. That's all it is. It really isn't a movement, a group, etc - just raw knowledge

to be red pilled doesn't mean you're banging HB9s at your whim. It just means you are aware of the true nature of gender dynamics at least when it comes to sex. With that knowledge you can go MGTOW or you can sleep with sluts or you can even use it to lock down a strong LTR candidate. It's really up to you.

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to be red pilled doesn't mean you're banging HB9s at your whim. It just means you are aware of the true nature of gender dynamics at least when it comes to sex. With that knowledge you can go MGTOW or you can sleep with sluts or you can even use it to lock down a strong LTR candidate. It's really up to you.

This.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

... right wing? I think you mean libertarian.

[–]InternationalProfile0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's a lot less of a tangible difference than libertarians like to think.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well, the only commonality is tax reduction and economic freedom... which has little to do with the pills debate

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

A largely atheist group is far too conservative? Interesting

[–]SilentLurker6662 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When people are so far on the left... everything looks "right-wing" to them.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. The average redditor is basically far left

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

More masculine men tend to be more conservative. Who do you think is the side trying to push the notion that all people have value and are 'equal' — a very antithesis to the RP? Once you understand that you'll understand the political inclinations of the subreddit.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

TRP is also very strongly focused about self - you are responsible for your successes and failures and no one else. Reddit in general loves to blame others for their failures.

TRP is very libertarian and love that about them.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

TRP is also very strongly focused about self - you are responsible for your successes and failures and no one else.

I agree that everyone is responsible for their own situations, but that does not mean they are the cause or reason behind their situations. I'd say most RP people (perhaps not those at TRP) would agree with determinism and that genetics is the dominant role in determining how high in quality your life will result in.

[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is why another tenet of TRP is not to compare yourself to others, only to the previous version of yourself. And that any shortcomings you are born with pale in comparison to improvement you can personally make.

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[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What? TRP is the definition of masculinity. Are the users masculine? Not all, maybe not even most, since to find TRP to begin with usually means failure at being masculine at some point in life

But everything the TRP is masculine and ties strongly with libertarian values

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[–]truedemocracy3Such An Asshole!3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

.....ok? Your point being?

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[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It's a bit more akin to not even applying to a particular job after researching and finding out its compensation is far below your threshold that is fair and desired.

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As a well known man going his own way once said, "you can either understand understand women or you can love them; you can't do both."

I guess your guy was paraphrasing Oscar Wilde's quote in 'The Sphinx Without a Secret', "Women are to be loved, not to be understood" - unless of course you're referring to Oscar Wilde himself.

Anyway, it's true that RP knowledge demistifies love but I doubt it can kill it completely.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This deserves a gold, people never get golds in this sub. Also, I theres one point I disagree with it will cause a change. It'll be quiet though. Demographics shifts. Smaller market place, changing dating habits. The over all marital market, landscape will have to adjust to the aversion of those men toward girls.

You can't write this guy off. He's making a completely rational decision; related to his personal experience about why he doesn't give a Fuck. He's not crazy, he just doesn't care.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a treadmill PUA -> TRP -> MGTOW. Men generally move from one to the next.

I think the issue at root is guys in that treadmill are attracted to horrible women. Supposedly a lot of guys in pua had terrible female role models (abusive or neglectful mothers), and using women as validation tools makes you drawn to the wrong kinds of women.

But yeah it's all part of the same movement fundamentally. But the core issue is men in those movements are attracted, either for conscious or unconscious reasons, to horrible women (low rmv).

[–]Iceklimber2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I view them as Yin/Yang self-regulation.

The more men step up their game, the less worth pursuing women becomes relatively.

Conversely, men going their own way remove themselves from LTR pool, thus rendering women easier to acquire

[–]analt223No Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW is inevitable. There is no "game" or "real social dynamics", etc. MGTOW is the only aspect of the Manosphere that isn't about taking your money and "seminars" and "programs".

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪11 points12 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

too late, turned into mgtow/blackpill/incel a long time ago

this is the fault of reddit, not TRP. reddit is full of repellent foreign and autistic losers, not normal ESTJ and ISTJ AFCs who just need a little help with dating to turn the corner. the red pill did not originally contemplate how to rebuild a really defective shut in into a man who can get laid

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not really, you just like to perform conjecture and not really analyze any data. There's a plethora of data from OkCupid that shows trends becoming the way they are and that more and more men are adversely affected by the modern dating scene — it's not just Reddit being filled with antisocial/autistic people, though that's an easy suggestion.

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Well I wasn't here that long ago, but from the time that I have been here I have noticed a change. When I was in highschool I would read stuff from the bodybuilding forum and those guys were at least normal in the sense they were 'redpilled', but incel behaviour would be called out.

[–]xiiteelee2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

reddit is full of repellent foreign and autistic losers not normal ESTJ and ISTJ AFCs who just need a little help with dating to turn the corner.

What is this?

edit: holy shit, that is actually spelled that way in US english.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She is using MBTI terms + the acronym AFC = average frustrated chump.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Facepalm - please, if you like the idea of psychology, avoid using this terms, use the 5 big factors or social axioms instead, but these "MBTI terms" are sketchy at best, and is laughed by people from a serious background, (and not form US), so please, do not use it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m just explaining what her sentence means dude....

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lord your posts are becoming the same things over & over again.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Block me

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're amusing. I like being entertained you all take everything on the internet way too seriously yo.

[–]darla101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and you contribute...exactly what again?

[–]theambivalentrooster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cutting to the heart of it, as usual.

Question is why don’t other people recognize it?

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like with anything that promises to turn shit into gold, large numbers of desperate and angry chumps rush in. Jordan Peterson, thankfully, is filling this void. It's much needed - more personal responsibility, less anger.

[–]praisethesun7990 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Just curious, I understand ISTJ but why would ESTJ's have dating problems?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Estjs can still be AFCs, AFC doesnt necessarily have "dating problems", he may just not be getting the amount and quality of sex he wants.

[–]praisethesun7991 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah thanks for the clarification. Perhaps not related to the convo but what would you say is the MBTI profile least likely to be AFCs?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

entj, estj, male enfp, male isfp

[–]praisethesun7990 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would've though ENTP, shows what I know. Interesting, thank you

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

no them too i forgot

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why are you there to begin with as a female?

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The same reason all bloops read TRP; It's ragebait, plus that sweet, sweet feeling of moral superiority. They are addicts.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Does this also apply to all the men who hate read feminist subs and articles and post them as entertainment fodder to this sub and others like it?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it will when the pendulum swings back to a patriarchal society over a feminist one.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol your fantasies make actual reality even that much sweeter.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad that my fantasies do that for you. : )

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are other subs like this? I subscribed to FemRADebates, but there's like two feminists there, and they always get trounced.

I would say feminist articles are posted here for debate fodder, but MensRights and PussyPass definitely hate read feminist subs, and post them for entertainment fodder. Don't know about the moral superiority part; I don't get the same self-righteous vibe from those guys. It's probably internalized misandry. They are resigned to the fact that mainstream feminist society sees men as scum, and sees them as the bottom of the scum barrel.

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Well, does anyone remember the MRAs? Eight years ago they were the heart of the manosphere and now it's as though they've been erased from existence.

My theory is that men's groups don't sustain themselves because they don't advocate for anything. They advocate against *everything* - fourth-wave feminism, all feminism, women in general, Democrats, betas, "pussification," paying for meals, working dangerous jobs - but at the end of the day they don't have any specific priorities or any plan to change anything.

So what happens? Either they just throw up their hands and say "I can't change society so I'm Going My Own Way" (right into the basement), or they lose energy and disband.

Which is sad to me, because I felt the MRAs had about thirty good points to make. And I used to talk about those points with them and ask questions like: okay, so what's next? How do we organize? How do we select leadership? How do we form a mouthpiece that doesn't say ridiculous things? What's the plan?

It quickly became clear that no one was interested in doing anything but endless bellyaching.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I have yet to see evidence that getting deeply bitter about the state of society and largely retreating from it has actually made anyone better off.

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, well, that's because the people getting burnt by the state of society were, in no uncertain terms, victims.

This group has been marketed as the oppressors for quite some time now, society will not change as a result of activism. So I tend to think retreat is the best thing we could do.

That, or create an app that essentially suggests all men are sexual offenders, while only a small fraction actually are - this would probably repel women from men and dating generally, which would probably result in hugely increased suicides (and shootings) and then society night remember that men are people.

But that's about the only thing that I can think of that would actually yield results, and it's actually a fucking terrible idea.

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Yeah, I don't think that idea is likely to bear any fruit. It's hard to imagine an app like that catching fire, to put it mildly.

You're absolutely right: men are currently seen as oppressors, whereas a lot of us are being burnt in horrible ways by society and are objectively victims.

Women talk constantly about how they're victims of male sexual aggression, and men rarely talk about how they're victims of, say, seeing their best friend shot to death, or being attacked in a bar, or working every day in life-threatening conditions, or losing custody of their children even though they were just as qualified as their ex-wife to raise them.

That's because masculinity means refusing to complain. It means stoicism.

But are men willing to give up masculinity? Fuck no. So it's like men want to complain, but can't, because the Marlboro Man doesn't complain.

That's the very definition of toxic masculinity - when masculinity harms men - but the manosphere looks at the phrase "toxic masculinity" and has this knee-jerk response: "You think masculinity is toxic?? Fuck you, feminazi!!"

And that's why the men's rights movement comes to nothing. Men have to be at least vulnerable enough to admit there's a problem and they want it changed before a problem can be changed. And instead, they try to combine vulnerability with bravado: "There's a problem and fuck everyone and I'm Going My Own Way downstairs to play Fortnite!!"

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But are men willing to give up masculinity? Fuck no. So it's like men want to complain, but can't, because the Marlboro Man doesn't complain.

Yeah, who the fuck do you think enforces that shit? Other men? Maybe a bit, but that utterly pales in comparison to the power of pussy, and pussy has started what it wants in a man, and it wants men who don't complain, among many other things.

And then, sorry, there's complaints and then there's just fucking whining.

That's the very definition of toxic masculinity - when masculinity harms men - but the manosphere looks at the phrase "toxic masculinity" and has this knee-jerk response: "You think masculinity is toxic?? Fuck you, feminazi!!"

It's almost as if feminists have built a reputation for themselves as people who hate men. Imagine my shock when the shiny, new villain in feminism has a masculine name and implication - I know what the dictionary definition of toxic masculinity is, I also know how to read between the lines. The "Patriarchy.". The "male gaze." "Mansplaining." I get it, and a whole lot of other men do too.

Men have to be at least vulnerable enough to admit there's a problem and they want it changed before a problem can be changed.

Then women call men pussies, and nothing changes, except you're now forever branded a pussy if you ever visibly joined that movement. Social suicide for men, absolute lose-lose.

And instead, they try to combine vulnerability with bravado: "There's a problem and fuck everyone and I'm Going My Own Way downstairs to play Fortnite!!"

I'm quite certain society will never actually take note. Shootings and suicides will be met with gun bans, bit once will the question be asked "Why?" It's just men. We need them to pick up our garbage and fix our toilets. They are a means to an end, not ends in and of themselves.

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Yeah, when feminism started, every woman involved risked being called an unfeminine dyke and being shunned by all men. But they did it anyway, because they felt the cause was bigger than them.

Men don't seem to think the Men's Rights cause is bigger than them. They think: will this increase my access to pussy? No? Oh, shit, well then fuck that!!

It's pretty pathetic.

[–]the_calibre_cat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, when feminism started, every woman involved risked being called an unfeminine dyke and being shunned by all men.

No, they did not. This was a slight risk, and not a terribly serious one for one, simple reason: Society needs women more than society needs men.

Men don't seem to think the Men's Rights cause is bigger than them.

By and large, I literally don't. The cause of Men's Rights shouldn't be so much of what it bitches about - it should be to relegate contemporary feminism to the pages of history where we reflect on our mistakes in the past. Otherwise, bitching about alimony and child support? Beyond some slight gender bias (which may or may not actually even exist), those systems are not some egregious violation of rights.

The really is no egregious violation of rights against men - there's just some lies (men and women are equal!), and then there's just some shaming (men r bad). The slights against men are very much sociopsychological, not so much legal - which is why early women's movements and modern men's ideological diaspora are not directly comparable.

You literally just got done with explaining about men complaining, and finished your post with "they won't do anything unless it gets them laid, how pathetic" and completely failed to see your own complicity with your own call to action.

Yeah, you're not that hard to figure out, and we know feminists are not arguing in good faith and will never argue in good faith. There is no "fix." Most men will simply be miserable and alone and society is okay with that, that's just how it's going to happen. If it becomes problematic, like with shootings and high male suicide rates, society will ban guns - they won't address the why.

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men’s movements don’t sustain themselves because no one gives a shit if men are struggling.

[–]pighammerduck1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, I hate to be that guy but they should totally keep behaving this way leaves more for me.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not helping.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am still not clear on why turning into MGTOW will upset women.

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[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They will be it'll just take a decade(generation). When the noise has died down & the quiet desperation has set in.

[–]zhebandit2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I think it has to more to due with the difficulty of changing. Red pill just gives the knowledge of what to do. If you read everything it says, you might be 6-24 months from marginally succeeding. The amount of effort it takes to lift, improve your social skills, and develops a career; maybe more effort than these men have ever produced in their entire life. It is far easier to give up and blame women, than accept your own personal failures. I can personally count on two hands, the people I personally know, who have truly changed their lives for better. I think the core of Red Pill is one of discipline and self improvement. The problem is most of these men were losers to begin with. They just now have someone else to blame.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

This is assuming the dating climate hasn't changed at all in the past few decades, let alone years.

You also are quick to assumption too — a lot of men just find that the same effort is better put towards other things that will bring them more satisfaction and enjoyment.

[–]zhebandit0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

It does not matter that things have changed. It does not matter that the game is stack against us at every level. We, as men, are supposed to overcome the obstacles. This is what we have been doing for thousands of years. I am sick and tired of hearing these men whine and cry about how life is not fair.

And to say men are putting their effort into better things is disingenuous at best. The vast majority are working at their dead end jobs, smoking weed, playing video games, and getting fat. They are not working on developing themselves at all. The only reading they do is when they accidentally turn on subtitles on Netflix. Men are falling behind, but it is not the job of women to bring them up to speed.

[–]Dweller_of_the_Abyss2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It does not matter that things have changed.

You're wrong. I don't care about your approval as you have nothing to offer me that I value. Why should men "man up" for society when all they'll get at most is a disingenuous pat on the back? The juice ain't worth the squeeze.

[–]zhebandit1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I get the feeling you are assuming I am a woman. Just to clarify, I am a man. What do you value? If you are not willing to work for it, then do you really value it? I never said men should "man up for society." I just said men shouldn't bitch about their lives. Men are the only ones that can fix it. Quit blaming everyone else for your failures.

[–]Dweller_of_the_Abyss2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Quit blaming everyone else for your failures.

Where have I blamed others for my failures? I don't value your opinion of me, I will not "self-improve" for your respect. I value the juice being worth the squeeze. It seems you think that is, I don't.

[–]zhebandit1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't talking about you directly. It was a generalization of the men who are bitching about women not fucking them. And quit thinking I care about you. If you died tomorrow, I would not even know, much less care. If you do not think the juice is worth it, than why are you here? Why bother to argue with strangers on the internet?

[–]Dweller_of_the_Abyss0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And quit thinking I care about you. If you do not think the juice is worth it, than why are you here? Why bother to argue with strangers on the internet?

Ah, so you do care. And yes, I'm here to mainly argue with strangers of the "Blue Pill"/Feminist persuasion and defend the merits of MGTOW. If you think MGTOWs are losers, what's it to you?

[–]zhebandit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not think people in MGTOW are inherently losers. The original argument was Red Pill was becoming more MGTOW. I postulated this was because it is easier to give up than to play. I said most men are losers. Some of those men will be in MGTOW, but that does not mean all men in MGTOW. I actually have some sympathy with MGTOW, since I grew up in a divorced household

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

We, as men, are supposed to overcome the obstacles. This is what we have been doing for thousands of years. I am sick and tired of hearing these men whine and cry about how life is not fair.

Did men of history and pre-history constantly put self-imposed limitations on themselves like Feminism?

The vast majority are working at their dead end jobs, smoking weed, playing video games, and getting fat. They are not working on developing themselves at all.

This is a strawman. Just because a man is investing time into not chasing pussy doesn't mean he's completely spending it on leisure. Some actually are putting in hours running or in the library or at their job.

[–]zhebandit0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I do not know any men who self imposes feminism or any limitations for that matter. These are obstacles, and minor ones at that. Men of history had real problems. They dealt with war, famine, plague, high child mortality rates, and they still developed this society we see today. We right now have an easier time than anyone in history.

You actually agree with me on men not developing themselves. Because I never said all, I said the vast majority. Even you say only some men are improving themselves. I know men who are excelling at life. But its no where near the majority. In my experience, the majority of men do not succeed because they do not try.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They dealt with war, famine, plague, high child mortality rates, and they still developed this society we see today.

Many of these factors helped men by killing off other men. Feminism does nothing to help the SMV of men.

But its no where near the majority. In my experience, the majority of men do not succeed because they do not try.

If someone is happy in their life without hurting someone else, I seldom see a need to tell them to live differently (unless they're immensely obese or consuming hard drugs or some other extreme akin to that.

[–]zhebandit1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism does not help men? In my eyes, feminism has created a class of men who are unfuckable. These "soyboys" are just orbiters that creep out women. And don't get me wrong, I cannot stand feminism. But i think it is going to collapse under it's own weight. Due to the actions of the radicals, the public is turned off by feminism.

I agree, if people are happy. But my original argument was an explanation on why Red Pill is going MGTOW. I originally argued that Red Pill is changing because to have self improvement is hard. The whole point of Red Pill is to change to get laid. So I would argue the people on Red Pill are not happy.

[–]Jcart105Black Pill | Anti-Gynocentrism1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism does not help men? In my eyes, feminism has created a class of men who are unfuckable. These "soyboys" are just orbiters that creep out women.

See, the thing is the difference between a dead man and a beta orbiting soyboy is that the later is still giving females tons of attention and boosting their ego and self-esteem. These women know that no matter how bad things get; they have a nice little beta to return to for provisioning should things come to that.

During times of high explicit male disposability, not only are these women no longer having attention and ego-boosting from betas, but now they no longer have any sort of leverage to be extremely selective anymore. They either have to settle for a man who would be deemed less than desirable currently or they have to face not reproducing, if not just completely dying as well.

Due to the actions of the radicals, the public is turned off by feminism.

Are they though? Ivanka Trump is pretty much very feminist (almost all of her political campaigning is focused on 'empowering women' etc) and she still has a ton of approval. And to go back to my original context, I do not mean feminism as in third-wave feminism, I mean all forms of feminism since its inception in the 19th century.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only reading they do is when they accidentally turn on subtitles on Netflix.

😂

[–]sketch1620002 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ideally, MGTOW isn't about blaming women, it's about deciding that they're not worth the effort.

Question is, why should anyone be chasing women anyways? RP is very mainstream in that it never really asks this question and uses difficulties getting laid as a proxy for personal failures. So yeah, RP is at the core about self-improvement but primarily to the end that it will get you women and thus validation. To be fair, you absolutely should be self improving, but if you can do it only for you and not just for the promise of some pussy down the road, you've basically encapsulated the theoretical MGTOW mindset.

[–]zhebandit1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

From a biological prospective, you are meant to breed. You have been biologically programmed to desire sex. From my understanding, it is the strongest natural desire men have. That alone is why men chase women. I disagree on the premise of not self improving to chase women. I say men need to high jack the biological need for sex to keep motivated. Once a man achieves an abundance of sex, the motivation of the self improvement will naturally change directions.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Question for RP then: would you still seek to self improve even if there was a 100% guarantee of not having any pussy in the end?

[–]zhebandit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I do not like sitting around. I am a firm believer in if you are not improving, you are waiting to die. Red pill gives a frame work to design the self improvement around. And self improvement is often multifaceted. Improving in physical appearance and social skills has a wide range of benefits outside of women. The benefits far outweigh the cost in my eyes.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Losers remaining losers because they’re inherently losers. They didn’t “decide” to go their own way. They were sent there by the collective of women that rejected them.

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[–]athotisathotisathot4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Neither trying to confirm nor deny your observation, but have you considered that women have changed as well, and what you observe might merely be the male side of the equation adapting to this change? Dating in the age of OLD is simply not the same anymore, and the whole inter-gender dynamic has changed fundamentally since the advent of dating apps.

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[–]athotisathotisathot3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, the change in how women are perceived by men probably goes far beyond just OLD:

It's open thotism thanks to so called "sexual liberation", it's the risk of financial ruin thanks to no fault divorces and metoo allegations, it's women competing with men on the status/career/provider role thanks to feminism, it's he rise in single motherhood thanks to all of the above.

There's really no point in pretending that women don't have a fundamentally different appraoch to sex,dating and relationships, and it would be naive to assume that men won't adapt to this change in some way or another. Which I guess will also reflect in TRP "teachings".

[–]azngirl76891 point2 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

Agree, 9/10 of the posts just talk about how to most insult women or how to demean them the best. There’s some self improvement but it pales compared to the real meat.

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[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

Ugh, that’s a horrifying post...’she’s designed to please you’...’sex isn’t just about procreation it’s about fulfilling a male need’...’she just wants you to use her to please you’...Creep-tastic!

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's mostly shit like that that put me away from T.R.P. I don't like feminism, I don't have a problem with women - and feminism isn't in a permanent state of dislike in my mind. If there was less "men r bad" and more of a "were in this together" vibe to it, I could get on board - but as long as the messaging is what it is I can see my place in feminist circles and I'm like fuck that.

I can't say I don't have a problem with women and still be T.R.P. I'll take the parts I like and bounce.

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I completely get your feelings about feminism - I’m the same. I don’t like the man hating stuff and I don’t like the ‘women are better people and we’re all sisters’ stuff.

I also don’t like the similar attitudes in much of the manosphere of ‘women are bad, men are superior’ and ‘women are designed to fulfill men’s needs’. Both extremes are sexist.

It’s worth reading aspects of both sides because they sometimes have good insights, interesting research and actionable advice to make you a better person overall. But the other stuff is a hard no - I don’t want to be part of cliques that cast half the human population in a negative light and act like they’re the truth keepers who have it all figured out. Just no. You don’t. No one does.

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Men do.

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Men have it all figured out? Really? That’s an enormously arrogant claim.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's true though.

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

No it’s not.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

I am not sure it is horrifying, I think many red guys think this way, they say don't listen to women, don't worry about their pleasure, women are children, that is the mainstream core of red thinking.

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Horrifying is hyperbole, yeah. It’s just sad and kind of galling to read it in such an unabashed way. I get the red guys not wanting to be beholden to women or being worshipful of them, but to genuinely not care about their pleasure and believe they’re designed to pleasure him - basically they want to be worshipped...That is pretty awful.

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Why?

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy Link

Why is it awful that women are supposedly created to fulfill the needs of men? Because it is dehumanizing to be seen as simply a creation for the use of others and not as individuals with our own purpose. But I don’t believe animals were created to serve the needs of men either. I don’t believe the world revolves around men and their needs...

This excerpt from Alfred Lord Tennyson sums up my feelings on this - and also speaks to your other comment saying men have it all figured out. I simply don’t believe anyone does. We’re in a hard world and need to work together to make it better. This doesn’t include subserving the gains of others and not being treated as equal partners in life. If a woman is educated to the same level as a man and in a society that gives her the freedom to live independently, she’s going to reject the idea that she should be someone’s vassal simply because of her gender.

If you give a woman a good reason to follow you and worship you if her own volition, fine. If she has no choice because she is forced to by culture/tradition (or veiled threats to her safety ) then that’s a hollow ‘victory’ for men. It’s just tyrannical.

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"Because it is dehumanizing to be seen as simply a creation for the use of others and not as individuals with our own purpose."

Why do you believe so?

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (26 children) | Copy Link

It’s dehumanizing because it makes us out to be more like a useful appliance than a sovereign being with our own thoughts, feelings and dreams.

[–]OhhDatDogOMine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is simply not accurate, on any given day less than 10 % of the posts will talk about anything resembling "insulting or demeaning" women.

Like so many others, your view of TRP is based on what others say and not your own experiences.

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If there's anything to hate about women, it's how they argue;

"I'm so saaaaaaaaad that you're a misogynist/sexist/chauvinist. You're probably not going to have a healthy/equal/fulfilling relationship!"

It's like "Okay, guess I won't. I'm fine af though, so...."

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[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Since when is saying you feel sorry for someone over their attitude/mindset character assassination or emotional abuse? It’s a genuine sense of ‘jeez, it’s hard to imagine this guy being happy with a woman if he thinks this way about all women, maybe I can help improve his outlook’. It’s not meant to be abusive, that’s for sure.

The trouble for me is that so many men here refuse to listen to what women have to say - they even say women give bad advice and don’t know what they’re talking about or what they want, and yet they ask for advice and opinions anyway...When advice is given and rejected with sweeping, negative generalizations, cherry picked studies or anecdotes, then a woman is liable to say ‘I’m sorry you feel that way and I’m sorry for the women you’re going to hurt with your attitude, and it will likely hurt you too’. That’s not emotional abuse. It’s pity and frustration.

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I maintain that women do so less out of a desire to reach a man and sympathise than y'all like to stir trouble.

When a guy knows that another guy is an ass, he keeps to himself.

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I just think it’s different brains! My dad says the same thing about women being more manipulative or guilt tripping or something - but I know for sure that me and my mother never intentionally shit stir just to upset him. I think it’s a mismatch in communication styles. Women tend to try to be diplomatic - they think it’s helpful to try to give advice and seek common ground. Men don’t do this as much. As you say, they just won’t say anything.

I’ve learned not to do it too often because I know men can take it badly. But I also know men who deliberately shit stir and say things they know will cause an upset - because they like to get a reaction and also as revenge. My dad admits to doing this. He also sees ill intentions where there aren’t any. I think men have more suspicious minds - especially towards sympathy. Like they don’t believe strangers can have good intentions...

Maybe it’s a case of women not knowing what they’re doing - maybe it’s a case of men being more deliberate (and more suspicious) in their thinking...But I don’t think women intend to be abusive or even mean when they say it.

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[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you give me an example of an illogical post/comment by a woman here? And I don’t mean an outlier or femcel (like the recent one about cam girls - that was decidedly illogical), I mean a woman who regularly posts here and is generally well regarded.

Emotional doesn’t necessarily mean it’s also illogical. Many men here post emotional things too because they’re angry and fearful of being manipulated or used by women, either from past experience or anecdotes in the manosphere. Anger and fear are emotions and quite frequent in some men’s posts. Emotions can twist logic and if you don’t agree with the emotional basis for that persons viewpoint, then the logic doesn’t follow. Logic is subjective on these issues. We’re not talking mathematics here. It’s all dependent on an individuals reasoning. There’s no one correct and entirely objective way to see these issues. They’re all based on individual experiences and beliefs systems to a large extent, therefore their logic is going to appear more solid to some than to others.

Mach like a Flame’s logic doesn’t follow for me because I’m not Muslim and the basis of my viewpoint on men and women is very different. Mine doesn’t follow for him for the same reason. Our logic is different because of that.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not meant to be abusive, that’s for sure.

Feminism seems to have a problem with this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, right?

It's why TRP teaching men frame is so beneficial.

Learn to look at females attacking your character and smile, knowing that as men we determine our character. It's wonderful!

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

It's a bad thing and a downfall for the redpill movement. Even I would say that it's a pity

[–]OhhDatDogOMine1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'll say this again and again, TRP is not a movement. It's knowledge about women's nature and sexual dynamics between men and women that men are supposed to use to their advantage. It is not a movement like feminism is, you don't see TRP members out on the streets protesting and pushing their ideas on to society.

That said, I agree that TRP has gotten worse over the years. This is likely due to TRP becoming slowly more mainstream and attracting too many bluepillers. Overtime, the red will get more and more diluted until it is just another PUA sub.

EDIT: By it's nature, TRP will always attract men who are bitter and just want to hate on women. This is because these men don't have any other place to vent their frustrations. It is not acceptable to say negative things about women in most communities, online and IRL. TRP got an influx of incels after their sub was banned a few months ago.

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EDIT: By it's nature, TRP will always attract men who are bitter and just want to hate on women. This is because these men don't have any other place to vent their frustrations. It is not acceptable to say negative things about women in most communities, online and IRL. TRP got an influx of incels after their sub was banned a few months ago.

Most the time, when we are frustrated, the problem lies within ourselves and not other people, and not the opposite gender. Why do you want to say negative things about women as a whole? I am pretty sure that you have not been with many women and your need to stereotype comes from being hurt by one woman in particular. Women should not have to pay for what one woman did to you.

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Women should not have to pay for what one woman did to you.

For feminism to have won, good women did nothing.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women should not have to pay for what one woman did to you.

In what way are women paying, if an incel says mean things about them on a subreddit 99.99% of them will never see? Women complain about how awful men are all the time, and that may actually affect some men because it's all over mass (and social) media. It's socially acceptable to say terrible things about men, like every man is a potential rapist. Try saying every woman is a potential false accuser, or divorce rapist.

Women don't pay for anything terrible they say, or anything terrible said about them. Men pay for both, like we pay for everything else.

[–]OhhDatDogOMine0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why do you want to say negative things about women as a whole? I am pretty sure that you have not been with many women and your need to stereotype comes from being hurt by one woman in particular. Women should not have to pay for what one woman did to you.

Not sure why this is addressed to me. I never make posts criticizing women and blaming them for any of my problems. I've generally had good relationships with women and I haven't been majorly hurt by any woman, probably due to growing up in a household where I learned the ideal masculine-feminine dynamic from my parents as well as being in a culture that didn't put women on a pedestal.

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shudders

the incel factor is too high in your post.

[–]OhhDatDogOMine0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your reply is interesting and reflective of the current discussions of incels that started after that guy ran over a bunch of people in Toronto. People will now try their hardest to distance themselves from incels at any cost.

It's disguised virtue signaling. The same way someone might randomly accuse another of being a racist in an attempt to demonstrate that they themselves can't be racist since they are shaming a racist..you are doing the same thing atm to distance yourself from incels. I know this because literally nothing in my post even resembles incel ideology.

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I know this because literally nothing in my post even resembles incel ideology.

But it does resemble incel ideology. Your style of writing makes you sound like a goddamn sad sack.

[–]OhhDatDogOMine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

REEEEEEEEEEEE. You caught me man, my writing style gave it all away.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP needs mental help. Do you have a social circle? Whens the last time you got drunk with friends at a party? You fucking reddit nerds.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as it decreases inceldom

[–]Gamer_Jack_Gameson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW isn't about hating women. It's about going your own way and not worrying about women. RP is not at all aligned with that philosophy.

[–]newName543456went volcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOWs don't hook up with women and ideally avoid them as much as they can, while TRP devotes significant amount of effort into becoming as attractive to them as possible.

That's a bit of contrast, isn't it?

[–]SilentLurker6660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

  • MGTOW do date. (there's some internal conflict between MGTOWs when if MGTOW can form casual relationship with women, but there are quite a few MGTOWs are encourage ppl to date)

Redpillers are basically becoming MGTOWs, and I believe this will be harmful for the younger generation of men who will end up despising women which will prevent them from forming healthy relationships. CMV.

So many things to take from this statement: 1) define healthy relationship. Redpill believe the current state of relationship between men and women isn't healthy either. 2) young men not knowing women's hypergamious nature is also very harmful, 3) What it's to you? From the respective of Redpill, they simpily don't care.

[–]mgtow_10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mgtow is a response to the current political, social, and legal climate of today. Many men after finding the red pill learn that the deck is stacked against them. As a result they play the game on there own terms which for many means avoiding relationships with women, others just won't get involved long term with a woman. How that plays out is different for every man.

[–]Nu_Guy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The subreddit vs the sidebar (which is the actual logic) are two different things.

A change in the type of generation and maybe more people there, does not make the logic false.

[–]BookwormJaneNo Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

when you try to understand why they whine so much, you realize that they actually dislike or hate women

You only realized that now?

Redpill isn't so much about the male imperative anymore, it's more about 'I hate women how can I dedicate my life to piss them off'.

It's always been like that, darling. I believe now you have some perspective - thank God!

[–]DarktharionGod0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Redpill only works if you are a chad. If you aren't it's over for you, so welcome to the uprising

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I think they are both just mirrors held to similar groups of men. This correlation, is more like an effect of society changing. It’s not the other way around.

[–]Marino4KPurple with a splash of Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The TRP reddit hasn’t changed too much in my opinion,

I just think the MGTOW “movement” has gotten louder because its basically the ones redpill principles didn’t work for and the far right portion of TRP.

[–]JokengonzoPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mgtow while having some good viewpoints on female nature is for the most part a shitty movement of men who basically are quitters and are trying to pass it off like they won some shit

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They won the freedom of not having to seek validation from anyone of anything.

I see nothing wrong with quitting a bad deal somebody else signed for you. Shaming tactics won't send back these quitters to the slaving plantation.

[–]Nullberri0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well for every man who tried the redpill and didn't make it. If you can't go back to the bluepill, where else would you expect them to go? Once you know the truth you can't go back, but if you are unwilling or unable to do the work to move forward then you end up mgtow.

There will be a lot of failure in the TRP group, as they came here because they needed it. Its like the other side of survivor bias, and not every man can claw his way out of the bottom 80%.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

but if you are unwilling or unable to do the work to move forward then you end up mgtow

That's some shaming tactic there my friend. Care to explain why doing that work is important to begin with?

There will be a lot of failure in the TRP group

The majority of TRP are failures then, because they are slave to the pussy chase and keep seeking validation, from peers and the opposite gender. That's not freedom.

[–]Nullberri1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's some shaming tactic there my friend.

Its not intended to be. For example TRP says you must lift, dngaf / stoicism / amused mastery etc. And then there just the facts of hypergamy, female soliphism and the burden of performance. When you learn these things, it does not mean you are willing to do the things required to succeed. You've read the rules and understand the game only realize you'd rather not play. And lets be clear, TRP asks for a lot to become successful. Not everyone will make it, not everyone will try. However you don't get to unknown how women are. You are stuck with that.

Care to explain why doing that work is important to begin with?

its is valuable work to those who want to be more successful in dating / plating and relationships.

The majority of TRP are failures then

The majority are failures, the side bar of TRP is pretty clear, 80% of men are not getting the opportunities and experiences they desire. That's why they're here. According the the mythos, Chad doesn't need TRP, because he already is it.

because they are slave to the pussy chase and keep seeking validation, from peers and the opposite gender. That's not freedom.

You pre suppose what success looks like to people embarking on the TRP journey. To those who do embark on the journey to become better at the game. To claw their way up the status hierarchy. To change their behavior and their body to be attractive. They believe they are achieving their own greater purpose. They see the value in the game they just didn't know the rules. If you want to get laid, if you want a relationship etc, you have to play womens games, and play them well.

If you do not want that, then don't follow in those footsteps.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you do not want that, then don't follow in those footsteps.

It's not that simple. I read so many PUA material and red pill stuff in the past that I still lift, eat healthy, etc.

But idgaf about being successful in relationships with the opposite gender.

[–]Nullberri0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the missing part is the playing the game. Your right you can implement a TRP style life and never talk to a woman, and it will objectively be a better life; But that does leave a lot of the material unused.

Yes I realize I did not call out all the bits about getting out and approaching, the techniques to do that etc. I wrapped that up under "If you want to get laid, if you want a relationship etc, you have to play women's games, and play them well."

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anger phase pansy boys

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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