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One of the fundamental arguments I see a lot around here more or less boils down to the idea that promiscuous women and women who like sex (or are sex positive or whatever) are different and that men need to delineate between these two subgroups.

The idea being that the woman who is sex positive will still "totally totes love her future husband forever" where as those other women are the ones who will cheat on their partners and divorce them. You know, they'll "communicate" and fix it. That would never be me.

Men argue, well yeah, that's what you think right now. That women are post hoc rationalizing their behavior and that eventually they'll have their own unique rationalizations why their future husbands are treated differently, dead bedroomed, cheat on or divorced. It will of course, be his fault. (yes, some men are at fault, not the point) But sooner or later "the spark is gone" yadda yadda yadda.

More or less, it's not unreasonable for men to treat a spade as a spade. If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck etc.

I see no compelling argument that men should not treat women who have high partner counts as "sluts." Outside of "that's mean" or "I don't want to be treated that way. And there's an easy way to not be treated that way, don't dress or act like one. Most men will presume a woman chaste unless given reasons to question that. Piercings, tattoos, aggressive attitudes and outspoken opinions on sex. Or they are outwardly "sex positive."

The arguments against this, more or less are entitlement.

A woman argues that she should be able to wear revealing clothing without being treated as if she frequently enters into short term sexual relationships with men. But why? Honestly, I understand she may like the idea of having more freedom, without the resulting impact of this freedom, but it's not realistic.

It is realistic for men to presume that woman advertising her sexuality, is interested in being pursued. The rude party isn't the male approaching, because that's what he is supposed to do, but instead the woman playing coy. Who me?

I would like to wear my watch when in poverty ridden areas traveling, but such a thing comes with consequences.

Even if I'm not robbed, certainly, they will assume I am an easy mark and approach me.

Am I a mark because I wear my watch? Aren't marks, and people who wear watches two separate sub populations? Do I deserve to be robbed because I choose to wear it? Correlation doesn't equal causation /s

Women love to say "no one is entitled to anything" and they're right. Men aren't entitled to your bodies, women aren't entitled to commitment. They're also not entitled to act in ways that men consider to be "slutty" without being judged. And they're further more not exempt from judgement for their actual behavior.

A woman with a high partner count, is factually, statistically a poor bet for a man. And for him to treat her in that way, is consistent and fair.

She may feel it is unfair, but ultimately, his position on the matter, if it is to be risk avoidant is prudent from a statistical standpoint.

And every woman thinking she's the exception to the rule, embodies the thought pattern of the entire subgroup.

The number of women who think to themselves "I am the stereotypical slut that people look down on" is close to zero. But plenty of those women feel shame, and instead project that as "I shouldn't be judged." Instead of accepting the nature of their behavior, they wish that the world instead shifts around them, as if they operate as the sun and we all orbit them.

They handwave the studies that demonstrate correlation, and demand to be called "the watch wearer" not "the mark." But from the standpoint of the thief, what is the difference?

That's the point here.

Every woman believes she's different.

Every man is prudent to say "no you're not, you're just a slut" and to treat her as such.

The scraps go to the men who aren't smart enough to understand what wisdom is.


[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a lot of immaturity implied in this post. Humans are not a monolith. Women are not a monolith. There is no one single consensus on what is or is not unreasonable in society -- there is simply what is accepted in any given culture and what isn't.

1.) Some women have many partners, and you'd never know. So yes, they live a perfectly normal respected lives because you can't see their N-count on their forehead.

2.) Some women are openly promiscuous, and they're smart enough to surround themselves with good, well-rounded people who are capable of valuing their fellow human beings on a more tangible merit than whether they have sex with people or not.

3.) Judgmental people are going to be judgmental regardless. You can spend your entire life trying to conform to what society says you "should" do and be, but all you have to do is meet ONE new person that disagrees with the previous person, and all that effort to "fit in" will now instead make you stand out. (see: the criticism for women that don't put out, lol.)

Essentially, trying to "earn" approval from others is a waste of time. You can't win. You just have to like yourself, stick true to your own principles, life up to your own expectations and just ignore everyone else.

Judgmental people aren't very good company anyway. Safe to ignore.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Judgmental people aren't very good company anyway. Safe to ignore.

This is "you can't fire me, I quit."

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. "You can't fire me, I quit" is saying "People won't like you anyway, so don't bother with them."

I'm saying that people who look down on you for something as harmless as pursuing your own happiness are people who look down on people no matter what they do.

There is no benefit to taking it personally. Simply accepting that you can't please everyone is the healthy option. Doing the opposite is pretty much what makes incels.

[–]monkeysinmypocket16 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

How many women does a man have to sleep with before he's a slut?

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One more than OP.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If he is sleeping with moderately attractive women then none. A man can't be a slut unless they are gay. You have to put 100x more effort to shag compared to a girl.

[–]tiposkChad Thundercock: the story of a manospherian homoerotic fantasy5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You also have to put an elaborate effort to rob a bank, and you're still a robber.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its more like, Cletus and Jamal robbing you at gunpoint, vs Hans and Sven pulling off an elaborate bank heist requring months of planning and perfuct execution stealing millions. They are both thieves but are they really the same?

[–]GridReXXit be like that4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Promiscuous men don’t view themselves as “sluts,” but as “slut makers.”

I saw an older black man use that line on Amber Rose on some YouTube interview lol.

Remember ladies. Men are intrinsically self-hating and view their own penis as a sullying WMD.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You don’t understand how men think, it’s not self hate— me, I’m amazing

It’s all those other dudes who are gross and disgusting

Yes I realize that doesn’t make sense, it’s just how we’re wired

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was being facetious.

That said If a man believes this:

Promiscuous men don’t view themselves as “sluts,” but as “slut makers.”

He must in someway associate "penises" as "defiling" appendages.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We do associate penises as defiling appendages , we just feel like our own is special

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that he will never be called that... maybe if he sleep with more than 30 males or something...

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Your watch analogy is spot on. I am a recovering heroin addict. Over 4 years clean. There’s times when I feel like I am being treated like a junky. Well I was a junky. I was a thief. Just because I have changed myself (quite substantially I might add) doesn’t meant that people that hear of or know my past won’t treat me like a junky.

I say all that because I used to get upset and wish people saw deeper into me and the behaviors I’ve worked very hard to correct. That does t always happen. I’ve learned not to blame people for perceiving me as a junky,because, well, I was. I deserved the criticism and perhaps still need it at times as a reminder of my old faults. I for one use knowledge of the red pill to better myself and I thank you all for it.

[–]Barneysparky9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

As you get older and people exchange their new experiences with you for the old, this will not be the case.

But, you have to give them new positive experiences and a crazy amount of time. Once you truly are "a new man' in their eyes, if they do shame you then you need to politely tell them you can no longer be treated like that. It takes a while, but people learn.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

He'll always be a recovered junky for anyone that knows addicts.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So a Drunk Captain in MRP is always going to be a Drunk Captain, just recovering.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely. Those guys are constantly worrying about beta slide. Read their posts, they'll micro-analyze a trip to the store how they "held frame" with a cashier. It's pretty cringe.

We rarely deviate from our baseline.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So what is your magic slut number?

[–]Barneysparky6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You are a very young person, could it be that you couldn't possibly know that?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your argument doesn't scale because women are sexually inert by the time they're in their mid to late 40s. By that time it doesn't matter if "she's no longer a slut" because she stayed with her husband for 30 years. If she's on the market in her mid 30s, outside of being a widow, it's only confirming my view.

A 25 year old woman who was a teenage prostitute isn't anywhere near far enough out from that to warrant considering her for marriage. I'm sure she wears plenty of her scars at that point still.

[–]Barneysparky2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How about returning vets from wars? I'm not being sarcastic, I agree with you but my agreement is across the board do not date broken people male or female.

It never was an issue for me because my social circle has always been small, and full of kind people who have expeienced being cracked themselves in one way or another. Until the last few years I was uncomfortable around people who hadn't known what it was like to see things they can't unsee.

Unfortunely in this group, without retraining the men tend to be violent, the women histrionic.

So again your advice is solid, however the advice being given out only to men about loose women, well thats only one factor to consider.

Much better to say" always date people who have similar life stories then yours".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t think all vets are broken. But they’re clearly in a minority that a lot of people don’t understand and won’t ever be familiar with.

[–]Barneysparky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all of them. I think humans can only see so much, and we have different capacities.

I know humans can heal will compassion, but along side compassion we need boundaries.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Eh...if he's 60 and pulled his junkie shit in his 30s and has a few decades clean? Youthful folly and bullshit.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but now he'll be doing 60 year old "junkie esc" shit. That's what I'm saying.

Rare is the "junkie to upstanding citizen" story that goes long. That's why the world RELAPSE is what most often describes these transformations.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Susan Lydon pulled it off successfully - and a lot of Vietnam vets, who used heroin and other drugs in Vietnam, left the dope habit in the jungle.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority did, in fact.

Which is a very interesting case study as it suggests addiction has a strong environmental component.

This video puts forward a theory based on that idea.

I don't believe it's true in all cases, but the problem of addiction is absolutely more complex than "if you were a junkie 30 years ago you can't be trusted not to relapse tomorrow."

The biggest overlapping factor with addiction however is unsurprising: untreated mental illness. Most research suggests at least half of all drug addicts are self-medicating. Which, to anyone who actually knows a druggie properly, is not at all surprising.

In the case of the Vietnam vets though it was obviously a different situation. The drugs were being used to cope with their horrible environment. Once they were out of war they no longer needed the drugs.

If the thing someone is trying to cope with is mental it becomes a more complex issue but the basic premise remains. Deal with the underlying problem and, in most cases, the desire for the drug diminishes.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

congratulations of your 4 years of sobriety!!! that's a great accomplishment.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Up vote for getting clean, stay strong.

[–]SmeggingRightGot flair? Hell yeah!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't your reply supposed to be in opposition to the OP?

And, drug addiction doesn't relate to people having sex, unless sex for them is an addiction.

Also, you're not a junky, nor a recovering junky. You're clean. I know a few. They're clean and have stayed clean. But what they often have is drive towards addictions of some sort. So they dive straight into another. Be careful of that, bud. Good luck.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

as noted in the sticky, top level answers to a CMV must challenge the content in the OP, not agree with it.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At the end of the day, any person who meets any other person is free to decide whether they want to enter into a relationship with them, based on whatever criteria they feel is important.

That's pretty much the long and short of it. Don't like sluts? Avoid them. It's simple, really.

[–]LeftAndRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I suspect slutty women know this which is why they lie.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

f*ck I think you cracked the code.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

as noted in the sticky, top level answers to a CMV must challenge the content in the OP, not agree with it.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 199311 points12 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

everyone deserves to be treated with basic decency. if you cant or dont want to just because she had a ''too high'' number of past lovers which has no bearings on her personality whatsoever, you deserve every true/false rape accusation and divorce rape (should a woman be that foolish to marry a bitter woman-hater who happens to be obsessed with her 'purity').

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider4 points5 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

this is exactly why i keep my n count secret. and there are no slut-tells, lol. a woman can look as chaste as a nun and yet be slayin' males left and right. males like OP are obsessed with women's sexuality. gross.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19932 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

my ex husband was my first. after him, ive had lovers i stopped counting. who are these males to judge me? hypocrites that hide behind pseudo-science and whatnot. i am all for lying or hiding your n count. every male who asks raises red flags.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It is not pseudo science. It is statistical reality. Women with higher partner counts are more likely to cheat and divorce you. The fact that you lie about it tells me you are secretly ashamed of your partner count and fear you won't be able to keep a man. If the question raises red flags why not tell him so he can leave? Alternatively why bother lying, why not break things off as soon as the question comes up. If you can't be honest with your partner then why enter a relationship in the first place.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

they are not. stas are made up and self-reported anyways. i dont know about her, but i never let a man use my n count against me. could be that i never intend to marry, but still.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

stas are made up

lol.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19931 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It is not pseudo science. It is statistical reality. Women with higher partner counts are more likely to cheat and divorce you. The fact that you lie about it tells me you are secretly ashamed of your partner count and fear you won't be able to keep a man.

lol . shaming tactics dont work on me. and i dont want to keep a man. no male is worth keeping, not even for the money i can suck out of his wallet. it's not worth the hassle. ONSs and FWBs is my m.o.

If the question raises red flags why not tell him so he can leave?

ah, hell no. not until i had fun first.

Alternatively why bother lying, why not break things off as soon as the question comes up. If you can't be honest with your partner then why enter a relationship in the first place.

i never lied. i simply refused to disclose my n count. it is none of their business and i told them exactly that. they chose to stay.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So if you only have ONS and FWBs why the fuck would anyone care about your partner count? They should know you are a slut already by that point.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19933 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

no need for name-calling, honey.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I thought there was nothing wrong with being a slut?

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19932 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

slut is a slur.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's the proper term? Strumpet?

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some women are proud sluts and self describe this way.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

every single man i dated asked the n count question. i didnt tell but added him to my count. some men..

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19932 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

males are insecure little shits.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

my experience as well.

[–]tuesdayrain 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It's absurd to lie about that. Just be honest and if that is a dealbreaker, you weren't meant to be together. Lying to be with someone you're ultimately not compatible with doesn't seem right.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19931 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

im not lying. im simply refusing to let a male define my worth based on n count. i know males care. i dont want to cater to their fragile ego.

[–]im-dad-bot0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hi not lying, I'm Dad!

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hi

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes we are disgusting for not wanting to marry the neighborhood slut that has been gangbanged behind dumpsters and has swallowed gallons of cum. We are disgusting for not wanting to step foot outside and run into a guy you fucked. Your future husband will find out soon enough after you cheat on and divorce rape him, which is the statistical likelihood of it happening with a woman like you.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

you will never know the number. and btw, no woman does gangbang. life is a little bit different than what you see in porn. even your lingo is from porn. it's all i need to know.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't care for your number or any girls number because I know women are whores that can't own the fact that they are whores. I never enter relationships anymore, only fucking for me. And lol no girl does gangbangs? I fucked a girl with my friend in the handicapped bathroom in highschool and have heard MULTIPLE stories of similar things happening to other girls. I feel sorry for the chump that marries that girl not knowing she got fucked by 2 dudes in a bathroom and I feel sorry for the chump that you eventually marry.

Again I can tell that deep down you feel insecure about it because you keep it a secret. I am bi and have had sex with other men, it isn't something I keep secret from girls because I am not ashamed of it. If (big if) I do ever decide to start dating again I wouldnt want it to based off of lies.

[–]HarpyMaster 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

ok, you are a hateful woman-hater, we get it. like i care.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't hate women. Just because I am against close relationships with women doesn't mean I don't respect them. There are many women I admire and even look up to.

[–]SmurfESmurferson4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You're not arguing against sluts.

You're arguing against prole women. Tattoos, revealing clothing, etc.

Once again: TRPers couldn't pick an UMC slut out of a lineup.

[–]GridReXXit be like that5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I was like wait. This OP is pretty much saying what I’ve always thought.

Men are more concerned about someone appearing a “slut” or “trashy” than her actual n count.

By OPs logic most men would choose the demure and classy looking woman who had her fun in her mid 20s over the trashy looking woman who had less fun so to speak.

And yep you’re right.

If you lined up 100 UMC women, most men would not be able to use “slut tells” to discern which ones are promiscuous or not.

Most he’d be able to do is get her talking about her past, but most UMC chicks know not to bring up casual encounters to men they’re looking to marry.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you lined up 100 UMC women, most men would not be able to use “slut tells” to discern which ones are promiscuous or not.

I could. I grew up with umc sluts getting abortions at 12 👍

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because you know they got an abortion?

How does that change the lineup?

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I can pick em out cause I know what to look for

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What is that?

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fake blonde hair, highlights, ridiculous tan from constantly going to Cancun or fake tan, a certain makeup style I can't quite describe in words but I know when I see it, not too skinny (booze has lots of junk calories)

Or alternatively just let them wear whatever they want on a hot summer day. Extremely short shorts/miniskirt = sure slut

[–]GridReXXit be like that5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

None of the UMC women I know dress or present like this.

I stand by my comment.

But I’m from the East Coast where WASP and prep is more prevalent.

If I lined up 100 Ivanka Trumps based on your version of sluttells, you’d have a hard time figuring the n counts.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're also black IIRC. The UMC/UC neighborhoods here are 95% white 5% Asian the Hoas and cops would literally run you out of town. Not surprising that you wouldn't see this

If I lined up 100 Ivanka Trumps based on your version of sluttells, you’d have a hard time figuring the n counts.

Sure. It's a bit harder when they're older. But why would I care about 30s women anyways?

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m not sure what my race has to do with it. Cops have never run me out of any town.

I went to schools and camps with Ivanka Trumps.

And she wasn’t always 30-something.. way to miss that point.

Again your sluttells don’t align with the women I’m around. I can’t think of any chick coming from Unionville HS in Chads Ford , PA dressing like what you described.

I can’t think of any chick who went to the schools and camps I went to dressing how you described.

But I do know all of them aren’t low n or virgins. They just know how to present well.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

What counts/defines a woman as high N/slutty?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I was with a slut 20 years younger than me recently, she ticked a lot of Salty boxes off and I was willing to make a run at it. She actually told me one night while drunk "so much dick, so little time", so there's that...

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

So not suprising.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I love you Goat. If I can give a little pro advice, try and buy a duplex as close to Nashville as possible, your market is hot and you'll make a lot of $$$.

[–]agree-with-you0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love you both

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck you.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Sigh. Salty I won't make any more money in Nashvegas and housing is more expensive. But I appreciate you looking put for me. The pay at Vandy is not better nor are the working conditions. We hired the bitch who was there as our new nursing executive. The nurses were pulling garbage after they cut housekeeping staff.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, stated investment income is coming back. 30% down and rent roll. If there is anybody on this sub who I want to make rich it's you. I'll do a little research tomorrow and see what we can do.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't think being rich is my destiny but thanks.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Think of all the overpriced bikes you could buy ;-) xo

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Heh. My car has almost 90k. Maybe if I was rich I could get a cool redneck truck with a bike rack.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My car has 120k and is paid for. I'll do some work tomorrow and pm you if it makes sense.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I guess it's fair, but if you are going to act in line with how a judgmental, closed minded, bitter jerk would, you shouldn't expect to be treated otherwise right?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Covertly. It's not like you advertise this.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't but just like being a slut it makes itself apparent eventually , especially to discerning observers

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women have enough sycophants that without being overt it's unlikely. Not going to waste time with a guy that she doesn't want to fuck.

I mean of course I'm going to see if she's DTF. So that's going to do everything you need right there.

Otherwise if it's a go then it's just "the talk" which is standard PUA stuff.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So I take it you don't want any LTR?

[–]lefactorybebe4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Eh the part about assuming a woman is a slut because of how she dresses is not always a great rule. Of course it's hard to do, but I think it should be avoided. Just gunna go off my own experience here. I don't think I would be considered a slut by anyone's definition. I have had sex with two men, both in committed relationships. However, I'm sure I could be perceived as a slut by the way I dress. I don't dress trashy or anything, it's just my body. I've got big boobs, a narrow waist, and big hips/ass. Anything that doesn't look make me look like I'm wearing a paper bag makes me look like I'm asking for it. Bathing suits are the worst, I just look like a prostitute. And there's absolutely nothing I can do about it (besides surgery). So I'd advise against that, as it can be totally out of someone's control.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Jessica Rabbit exception

[–]lefactorybebe1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, what does that mean?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm agreeing with you.

[–]lefactorybebe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, alrighty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“I’m not bad, I’m just drawn that way”

[–]aznphenix1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But you think most people make that distinction?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's certainly hard for many people to see that. I get it though.

[–]writingtochucow13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Ok so here's the thing. Everybody is constantly judging everybody, all the time. These aren't necessarily negative or positive judgments, sometimes they're fairly neutral. "I see that Pamela has banged 1000 men. Pamela appears to be a nice person, and I have no wish to hurt or punish her. However, I choose not to date promiscuous women and therefore will not date Pamela." vs "Pamela has banged 1000 men. Pamela is a worthless human being, who I should actively work to hurt and punish for her behavior. Fuck Pamela the dumb whore, Imma tell everyone she's an STD ridden superslut."

So I kinda need to know, OP, what kind of judgment you're talking about. When you say "judgement" - what specifically do you mean? Judged how? In what way? Does this judgment lead to any non-passive action (i.e. beyond choosing not to date her)?

And that said, as I've said before on these 'why shouldn't we judge women who bang a lot of ppl for banging a lot of ppl' - I mean, you either buy the reasons not to judge them (it's unkind, it's hasty, it's dehumanizing, it makes you a bad person) or you don't. And if you don't, guess what? You're going to get judged, too. People are going to think you're a bad person. I actively judge people with opinions like OP's as bad people. And from what I can see from ppl on PPD judging Red Pillers to be bad people, they don't fuckin like it.

Nobody particularly likes being judged as a bad person.

So you (general you) go ahead and think of sluts as damaged, worthless people. And I'll go ahead and think you're a moral and spiritual cretin whose self-hatred has happened to manifest as misogyny.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

In your words, what's the difference between a sex positive feminist with gonorrhea and herpes that she got having group sex (all with their consent forms) and a "STD ridden super slut?"

[–]writingtochucow9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's just different words used to describe the same person. One set of words is more literal, the other includes serious negative judgments that I have no real interest in making about someone who, with 2 STDs, is probably having a hard enough time in life. I'd have to know more about her to make a negative judgment. Like is she a crazed narcissist who racked up that N count because she feeds off male attention? I might judge her for crazed narcissism. But I generally don't judge people for N count alone, barring any other facts.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would you recommend to your child that its okay to have sex with someone with stds because 'theyre not really that big of a deal and there is too much stigma around them'?

Because thats an attitude i see being spread by sex positive feminists and while i agree that i dont want to dump on them when they are down, i cannot in good faith tell others, especially my own chkldren, they are 'just as valid of a sexual partner'.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you think the likelihood is of this person being someone you would trust to watch your kids as opposed to a random selection from your pool of close friends?

Is it higher, or lower than "the average person."

[–]writingtochucow9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Listen. to. what. I'm. saying.

I don't make character judgments based on N count alone. It seems you do. Fine.

No one I didn't know would be watching my kids. Do I want a diseased person changing my baby's diapers? Probably not. But that's about the disease. Not the N count. Miss N Count of 100 who I know and who doesn't have herpes is getting the babysitting job over Miss N Count of 3 who I don't know, and who has herpes.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's always a foreign concept to them when others don't share their view.

[–]Young_Oryx 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Women who act in ways, that are consistent with the widespread understanding of how a slut acts or looks, are unreasonable to expect to be treated as if they are not the same or share enough similarities to escape judgement.

No, standards are only "unreasonable" if a person is unable to have their expectations met by reality. I have had an incredibly promiscuous past, I'd wager worse than 99% of the women here on PPD. My husband knows this about me, and so does my church and friends. I have tattoos and a bright colored streak in my hair.

I'm not interested in trying to hide anything about myself or my past, because I believe that honesty is one way to fight against hypocrisy in my own life.

I expect people I meet IRL to treat me with courtesy, and they do. I expect my friends to value me as a person, and they do. Even knowing my past (and probably in part because of it), I've been asked to be a youth pastor in my church. My husband treats me like the most cherished thing in his life, and he trusts and loves me like no other. I do expect that of him. I married him because of it.

So yes, you're free to say that my expectations are unreasonable, but I'm over here having no issues getting them met. The people that matter to me don't care enough about my past to punish or judge me for it. If you or anyone else on PPD would like to judge me for slut tells or my promiscuity, that is your prerogative, but it has no bearing on my life.

The red pill is in the business of describing reality, and my reality has shown me that I do not have unrealistic expectations of others.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said lovie!

[–]concacanca3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mind if I ask how you get around the whole 'do as i say, not as I did' thing at church?

[–]Young_OryxEats plants and talks shit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's just something that I have to live with. And sometimes it feels awkward. There's really no getting around it, only thing to do is go straight through and talk it out.

All I can do is talk about my experiences and try to share God's word to the best of my ability. In my experience, I didn't actually suffer any lasting negative effects from premarital sex. And yet it was still sinful, still wrong. I think that the Church fails the youth when we fall back on scare tactics. Because then... what? People try it and they don't feel like used-up gum, nothing terrible happens, and they decide that the church is full of liars. And then they fall further away from God.

I think a better message is that yeah, you can rebel and do what you want. And maybe nothing bad will happen to you. And yet, do you have the faith to trust God? To trust in his word and his promises, that his plans are better than our plans? We're in deep error when we decide that we know better than God does what is good for us.

So here is what I try to share: The more I read about Christian views on sex, and the more I try to understand God's design for sex and marriage, the more I see the beauty in it. There's something so beautiful about the idea of a man and woman being each other's one and only sex partners, without porn or other people involved. How beautiful would it be to be the only woman your husband has ever seen naked, and vice versa? It's almost unthinkable in modernity. Porn and casual sex are ubiquitous. I think there is a blessing there that I hope that I can inspire younger generations to strive for.

But I would also like to point out that my story is by no means unique. I'm not in a church preaching to a choir, but to sinners like me. Christ has mercy on repentant sinners and gives us forgiveness that we don't deserve. We all are saved by his grace. And I'd hope that to a few people out there, my life and history proves that God loves and can save anyone. Being an ex-slut doesn't preclude you from the love of God.

If people at church take one thing away from my story, I would hope it's that it's never too late or too far to turn around. Christ's strength and mercy is made manifest in our weakness.

[–]sadomasochrist 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

"Right now I feel...."

[–]William_HoweI judged the difficulties too great.[M] 8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

If you cannot respond to comments in good faith, we can shut this whole thing down right now.

You have been given multiple chances. Consider this your final warning.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This is good faith. This is a red pill concept. Do you want me to elaborate?

[–]William_HoweI judged the difficulties too great.[M] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, because there is also a rule against invalidating people's experiences as they articulate them, and I have a pretty good idea that if you did elaborate, you would be in violation of that rule and would therefore be tempbanned.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well I guess that TRP concept is "illegal."

[–]William_HoweI judged the difficulties too great.[M] 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not illegal on TRP, which you persistently mistake PPD for.

Edit: the "no invalidating" rule is in effect on PPD because unlike TRP, PPD is a debate sub. There have been many comment threads that have devolved into series of accusations that something a person said happened couldn't have possibly happened. This is deleterious to debate and degrades the quality of the sub. If you wish to discuss "right now I feel" as a concept (yes, I am familiar with it), then you are perfectly free to do so. If you respond to a comment with a version of "right now you feel that you have everything you want, but because you are a self-admitted slut, this will invariably change," then that is invalidating and will be removed.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Meta Chilling effect.

[–]William_HoweI judged the difficulties too great.[M] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am trying really hard to help you. You are not making it easy.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean you have your reasons but it's one of the literal debates between the camps. Post hoc rationalization is what greases a woman's gears.

[–]Young_OryxEats plants and talks shit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me.

[–]crackrocksteady7 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I have tattoos, piercings, and a bright colored streak in my hair.

And I thought the tradthot meme you have going on couldn't get any worse lol

[–]William_HoweI judged the difficulties too great.[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Tattoos are not sex positive soccer mom's have them. Sometimes I think most of the men here are either Super Chad or stick up their ass suburban evangelicals no middle ground.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're the only one replying with no middle ground. Abstract reasoning is required to refute the central point.

Which was not "women with tattoos are sluts."

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I said sex positive you said sluts.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not worth delineating, point of the op.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

let me guess... are you brazilian?

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What the what?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sorry I thought you were huehuehueing

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Do you think soccer moms have not had sex?

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. They have.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think everclear had a song titled "volvo driving soccer mom". Good stuff.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Such a great song!

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Down vote for Everclear reference.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Soccer/little league mom is some pretty easy action for a single dad.

[–]paccount112 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Lying and self delusional attitudes are a valid technique for women to land a man.

You are right, but no gurl will care

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as noted in the sticky, top level answers to a CMV must challenge the content in the OP, not agree with it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you, just now, cracked the code.

[–]TallSwaggOVO 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

<Men aren’t entitled to your bodies, women aren’t entitled to commitment>

Say it again for the people in the back. A girl isn’t obligated to give sex, but a man isn’t obligated to stay and wait.

But yea. I understand that a woman should be able to dress however she wants without action being taken soon her. If she dresses a certain way, that doesn’t make her a slut. That would be just be absurd and crazy. But, you still can’t stop what people think. That’s like me walking down the street with a legit cop uniform, and getting mad when people stop and ask me for some help when some shit pops off. “Just because I’m dressed a certain way, doesn’t make me a cop.”

Ladies, you are not a slut. But you are dressed in a sluts uniform.

(Some real OGs are gonna know who I got this from lol.)

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally, now I understand why people keep asking me to make balloon animals for them when I go out dressed as a clown.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]yaseedog will hunt4 points5 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

what is treating someone like a slut? like specifically what does that look like to you?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Not taking them seriously outside of sexual access.

[–]yaseedog will hunt3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

like in any way? professionally, on a friendly level, nada?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I mean they're going to be getting sexually involved with coworkers, friends, family, etc. If you're not in on the action, send that drama somewhere else.

[–]yaseedog will hunt5 points6 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

unless you're talking about literal nymphomaniacs, that seems like a pretty extreme stance

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

If you've ever known a legit slut, they literally get around. Legit nymphomaniacs are usually in jail, prison or dead in short order.

[–]yaseedog will hunt7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't know what to look for lol. I'm assuming you don't have magic glasses that display everyone's n count, so what metrics are you using to ID and avoid sluts? How revealing does her clothing have to be? Does context (bar vs. boardroom) matter? And if you do find yourself in a situation where you have to deal with someone who you believe to be slutty, lets say a coworker, how do you avoid them?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

You're misunderstanding my point. I don't waste my life doing this calculation on everyone in the world. I'm saying, if you know one, it is advisable that you distance yourself.

You avoid her the same way you avoid any other coworker, you just say that you don't work well together and ask them to work with someone else or avoid them. etc.

Work is much less of an issue as of late though, totally taboo at this point. But definitely these people will cause drama at work.

[–]yaseedog will hunt4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I don't waste my life doing this calculation on everyone in the world

thank goodness

Do you view this as a completely pragmatic thing, or is there a moral angle to it as well?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Pragmatic. Slut's aren't immoral, but they generally have all sorts of negative traits attached to them. They're the female version of male degenerates, more often than not.

Most of the people that make these "sex positive" arguments are pretty clueless of what these women are actually like.

Nearly all of them are single mothers, many of them are drug addicts, most are on welfare etc. They're basically a manifestation of poor impulse control, disorder and sexual assault.

I suppose I do have a light moral twinge in the fact that I am bothered by the fact that people are trying to normalize dysfunction.

It's like the people that talk about prostitution being a "woman's right" or "a trafficking issue." Literally 95% of prostitutes are drug addicts that can't get jobs. Yet people are acting like young women are getting snatched up left and right or it's affluent late 20s blondes escorting with Joe Billionaire being oppressed.

Most women with very high partner counts are cluster-b women, sexual assault or rape victims that we're validating because society has become too narcissistic to become self aware to this.

These are the people we're promoting as pseudo heros because that's just how social darwinism works. Now if you don't mind, I'd ask you please get off of my lawn.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The arguments against this, more or less are entitlement.

My (mid 20's) friend was called a slut at a party when she has only been with one man (ex husband who cheated on her) Why? The man who called her that made assumptions about her based on her friends reputations.

Why are men allowed to make assumptions about a woman that he does not personally know and attack her with name calling? Why is being mean not a good enough excuse to stop such nasty behavior?

It's not entitlement to fight defamation against your character. You're entitled if you think you should go around making up lies about someone without any social or legal consequences.

I'm following a defamation lawsuit between two youtubers where the male claimed that the female came on to him and ruined her reputation by calling her a slut.

If you don't want to date someone than just say you're not interested. No need to make up stuff.

Your watch analogy is silly. If someone is trying to rob me I'll fight them back, not lay down and let them take it. If robbers figure out it's easy get the watch they will take other things.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Literally none of this addresses what in taking about.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The OP states you can assume that a woman with tattoo is a slut without knowing her.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Read the title and read the OP.

[–]RatchetMyPlank0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That IS the topic starter you're arguing with.

[–]William_HoweI judged the difficulties too great.[M] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This post has been tagged CMV. Top level responses must challenge the OP's view.

Edit: With OP's consent, this post has been re-tagged as Discussion. Carry on.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How? I don't think you can change his view.

[–]William_HoweI judged the difficulties too great.[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The rules for CMV posts are available for all to read. If it turns out that OP is not willing to engage in good faith and demonstrate that his view is open to challenge, then this post will be removed. This OP has been only been live for an hour. Give it time.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I mean it's not based on the contents of this post. I've been arguing with the OP on this topic for years. I find it unlikely that he posted this to have his view actually changed.

[–]ghermanmd3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You are consumed at judging the person wearing the watch and justifying the robbery. You know, sooner or later a woman will be fully closed and still could get rapped because her toes were visible.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not justifying the robbery, is justifying the judgement.

[–]ghermanmd4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is what I'm calling for. I believe you don't agree with robbery or rapes, I'm asking to not fall for the fallacy of punishing normal behaviours and justifying the negative ones as an "expected" outcome. We don't want to blame men for being divorce raped or boys for the false rape accusations against them, because they should've known or seen the red flags.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a guy who lives in Brazil, the continent of crime, both from robbery and divorce/false rape, I have to ask.

Are you out of your mind?... the dress code, the number of partners and past behaviors ARE THE FREAKING FLAGS!

None is punishing the normal behavior, the victims are only protecting their assets, they are trying to not give "the flags". That is the whole point!

What would be the alternative? live without and having constant robbery and divorce/false rape of Brazil? Is that what you want? cause that is the present system... and I have to say, it sucks.

[–]Barneysparky5 points6 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

Well.

Today I literaly fed the homeless, as I do twice a week in lue of church.

I'm 50, married for almost 20 years. When we met I had two daughters from my previous marriage. They are now adults with science degrees. I started my first business when I was 19. I was a teen prostitute.

Please judge me! Seriously. Would you tell 15 year old me I have no value?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled8 points9 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

No, I would tell men you're a poor bet and to treat you like a former teen prostitute.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and we women will take it on other oblivious guys you didnt manage to poison with your anti-woman slut-shaming propaganda. after all, our end goals are at odds.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really, sluts are bread and butter at TRP. That's why we have "the talk."

[–]Barneysparky10 points11 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

How exactly would you treat me? You said " you would treat me like a former prostitute". How would that work?

Why wouldn't you treat me like a business owner, a person that volunteers their time to help others, a mother, a wife, or a person?

If you knewy husband and I, would you feel you should warn him?

Question for you. You're on the red pill, I'm going to guess you want ways to have more casual sex then you are having now. Do you question your own value because of that?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This is 40 years later, you're sexually inert at this point so your argument doesn't make any sense. But from ages teen-post wall, I'd treat you like a short term partner and nothing more. I wouldn't make it overt.

[–]Barneysparky5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

One problem with that. I never fell for what we used to call "jocks" or guys that wished they were. I wouldn't have had sex with you, because we wouldn't have spent hours together doing things. Jocks just hang out and bump chests and pick up girls, seriously no reason on earth to bump bodies with one.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Physical dimorphism is the largest draw after clues to facial symmetry. So unless you're into short guys with asymmetrical faces, your sexual interests are typical, even if your behavior is atypical.

You're just exercising standard female LTR selection.

[–]Barneysparky5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Ok... I marry the hottest kindest smartest man I could. Yeah me!!!! That's a good thing right? The way you say it sounds bad. Like you have negative thought patterns. I can't tell you "just don't", but I can point you in the direction of some help.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is not atypical. This is standard LTR selection. I'm not sure you understand the fundamental conflict here.

It is expected you marry this man, he is "BB" or a "provider." His "kindness" is part of provisioning.

The argument is basically this.

If they have to choose between Jane Normal, and you, on average, Jane Normal is less likely to divorce the "hottest kindest smartest man" and replace him with someone else.

The argument is that the "hottest kindest smartest" man gets cheated on with the dickhead enough that this debate is a thing. Men no longer believe women will give them what you've given your husband if we take your word at face value.

[–]Barneysparky1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My husband is kind to everyone.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reread my reply, I'm sure he is.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Always new young men on the market who haven't been scorned

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct. Open hypergamy is changing that though.

[–]Barneysparky1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to tell you about the short ugly guys I have had great sex with as an adult. :) I told you I had fun in bed with people I was true friends with when I was single.

My husband is of the same attractive level I am. I might be a little over him at the moment, maybe??? It's hard to say.

I wouldn't date a man that people think paid for me, I actually used that line when I was dating. I wouldn't date a man that people would say "omgawd, how did she get him". I have never used that line I hope.

I'm Presbertarian I guess. Take what I need and what is alloted to me. Or what feels natural and right. My equal. But equal is the wrong word. My ying to my yang. My same?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Again, unless short and ugly is your preference, typical ltr selection.

[–]Barneysparky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh shush...

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Uh oh op this one exception surely disproves the whole rule !!!!

[–]Barneysparky3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I just don't think about myself as an exception.

Change that to "without retraining the brain to reset to a positive mindset people that are broken are a bad gamble to marry", and I completely agree with you.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You are an exception because most broken people never fix themselves

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe, but that says a lot more about people's current actions than the ones from a distant past.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Broken people that fix themselves are the best. They're strong, wise, and can handle any shit thrown at them.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol you say that like people can't be ''strong, wise, and can handle any shit thrown at them.''

I'd rather the person who has those qualities and hasn't been a complete mess, plenty of them about with no worry about them relapsing etc.

[–]Barneysparky-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most people decide to stay thinking and feeling what they did yesterday. It's easy. Most let others tell them what they should think of themselves.

The world is harsh on people who decide they are going to think for themselves, it sucks.

Hmm. Fedoras. I loved it when guys started wearing them! How awesome.

I thought guys started wearing them because of the confidence of thinking "i like this hat, and I want to wear it" Instead it became, this hat I'm going to wear it screw you"

Same action, very different motives. Which one is attractive?

Seriously.. Did women biotruths change since the 20s? Or did the attitude change?

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf does this comment have to do with anything lmao 😂

R u an questioning woman alt?

[–]couldbemage1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

An alcoholic that been sober for thirty years is also a pretty safe bet. If your into that kind of thing.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A safe bet to hire as a roofer? Sure. A safe bet to run a liquor distribution business?

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

If, of 20 teen prostitutes, 19 were heroin junkies that would steal anything not nailed down for another fix, and one turned her life around, would it be prudent of me to make predictions involving my own well being on the 19 or the 1?

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That's great that the statistics are so readily available and correct and account for different other factors !

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I agree, it is great.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Except it isn't great. And it doesn't exist. If you look closely at the statistics they don't really paint a helpful picture.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Benefit of the doubt - something teen prostitutes have not earned.

Ill judge people any way i like. No loss for me.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You don't have a crystal ball to be able to know what you're missing

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

A pleasantry much more easily uttered by one with no skin in the game.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Guess what, these days women have skin in the game. Especially if they're high earners. Meanwhile men can get away with not working crazy high powered jobs and being he "provider" just by being hot and good in bed. So stop pretending like men have skin in the game when if anything that's a choice

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just a moment ago, you were arguing that one would be missing out by prejudging without a crystal ball, in the context of a teen prostitute (a judgement in which women would have no skin in the game for the most part).

But when women are judging on their own risks, now its okay? What happened to missing out without a crystal ball? Or do we only give women the benefit of the doubt?

I never said that only men have skin in the game ever, just when judging prostitutes as partners.

[–]Barneysparky2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course, heck I'm not a proponent of relationships of any kind when you can't find empathy and understanding for each other on a continuous daily basis. Which to me means you need to have similar life experiences.

Experiences like mine do crack a person to one degree or another, as does going through any horrific experience. I've gotten to know many Vets from the past decades wars over the years who suffer from PTSD and have found a great deal in common with how life was for me when I got free at 16. I was also very lucky that I did not use hard drugs, and I had basically good parents who taught me not to steal or hurt others.

I have never had a problem attracting sincere male friendship and occasional love. When I was single as an adult I had sex with people I liked as friends first, I've never been a rub bodies with strangers person.

In all honesty, although I am quite open about my past I have never in real life had a man balk at what happened to me. I've been told its because I am upfront and unapologetic about it, and I don't harbor resentments towards my perps.

I have my weirdness, I'm ADD and too emotionally dependant on my husband. Ironically I'm like the perfect red pill wife, but I know that too much dependence hurts both of us... Dependence disorder isn't fun to live with, I'm just glad my husband isn't much of a narsasist (they attract).

So, if you did get the chance to warn anyone about me, well that's ok! It opens up a dialogue in my eyes.

[–]JTRonald0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you forced judgement I could still ask what sort of men did you date and marry(quality wise, character ect), what sort of kid do you raise etc...

Don’t brand marriage and kid as the proof that you have made it millions of stupid people are pumping kids and getting married, the heart of the question is “qualitative” it’s not that slut can’t marry, but can’t access quality people. That’s different.

[–]Barneysparky2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good people. Not perfect... They are 30 and sometimes I shake my head, but good people.

Guys I dated... My type was someone I could admire for what they do. I had friends I had sex with but didn't date, simply because I had my kids already and they wanted to have them. I was invited to weddings, so I left a favorable impression.

My husband is the worlds most amazing sexy man. Husband lottery here! One thing he is not is paranoid or mistrusting. We communicate openly and don't stop the other from pursuing their dreams. We have had rough patches, last year coming back from 4 years in the third world was very rough on us, we've gone through a kid with cancer. People think we are newlyweds, I'm a hugger I guess!

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What kind of cancer?

[–]paccount112You're delusions are making me red-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Op was clearly talking about you specifically.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What I would tell you at your 18. "You are what you are, I considered your past and present behavior, I will make a judgment on your and consider my relationship with you based on it."

What I would tell you now at 50 "You are what you are, I considered your past and present behavior, I will make a judgment on your and consider my relationship with you based on it."

Your present and recent past behavior overwrite your teen years and I would make judgments based on it, deal with it if you had to be a prostitute.

it does not mean you had no value, it means you were a prostitute and YOU CONSIDERED YOU HAD NO VALUE. the past does not change and to lie would be to mislead my behavior.

Think like that. If your husband was an ex-convict, would you really tell me with a straight face you'd prefer not to know?

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

he's a criminal. she has committed no crime by having 1+ lovers. she has hurt no one, deceived no one. he probs has. so, no, you dont get to deserve to know the number. it's upon her to decide whether to tell you.

[–]Barneysparky1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Here is the thing. When I was a child (12) I was told I was "a marketable asset", it became a nick name. So I did have value, someone wanted me for something.

I was very lucky that I learned I had more to offer.
I'm 50, a husk of my former self physically then I was, except I don't feel that way at all! I get to wear hats now, and somehow I shrunk into this thin tall woman who is like a perfect clothes rack, who somehow has no need for makeup or at least me and my husband say so. Six years free, though I was never good at it and hated how it felt.

But I also know I contribute more, have more value then I ever have and that has nothing to do with me looking great in clothes ( ok it helps)

I certainly would have married my husband if he was an ex-con in itself. But I would measure the crime he had been charged with, and my own evidence of immorality.

In my own mind the state deciding something is a crime doesn't tell me if someone acted in an immoral way. I was blamed back in the day legally.

Some of the comments I've gotten back sadden me, there is a overtone of wanting me to prove that I love my husband, prove that not awalt? Maybe?

Remember I'm not arguing that people who are not cracked should marry cracked people. See no evil.

What I'm saying is don't crack yourself because you have been inindated since birth about cracked people via media.

Today was Sunday, if you decided to you could have not gone to a nightclub last night to pick up women who feel their only worth is being sex, and instead went to a church picnic or science fair.

Same thing for women. I know a pool full of fantastic men, yet some women my age say there is no one. I don't really get either of you, both should choose to associate with better people FOR THEM in my opinion.

We are all born happy dude, just sometimes we see to much.

Both of our great great great relatives might have met 500 people in their lives, and sure as heck didn't worry about what happens 2000 miles away, or found out why they didn't have enough food 10 years later.

Find you tribe, treat them well. That's all we really need.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

good for you.

Yet I do not fully understand what you said because I'm a non native English speaker.

I do know that I care about the truth and data, to make rational decisions, and you probably too. that's the whole point of this post.

If you had a bad past, I am sorry for you, but the truth is: there is no accepting of reliable decision-making data not be reflected in my behavior because some people feel bad about it.

you and your past relatives are and were adults and should know the consequence of your actions, so you may choose to not worry and go with your tribe.

But I will not take this path, I care about information and make decisions based on them. And this you should not change.

[–]Barneysparky0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your truth and data are filtered through a small lense of how you wish to percieve the world.

But you know that already.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, and how I wish to see the world is how it really is, to that I need data.

[–]petallotus-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you feed the homeless to feel good about yourself.

[–]Barneysparky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Heck yes! What other motivation is there other then flooding ourselves with joy.

It feels amazing when you know you have spent your day being kind to others.

Charity is a completely selfish act, as is robbery. Which one would you choose and which one makes you feel good about yourself?

No wrong answer, and your answer can change.

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[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this3 points4 points  (56 children) | Copy Link

Oh thank God. I thought this was going to turn into "a woman deserves to be raped or sexually assaulted for the way she acts or what she wears"

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled6 points7 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

The man who wears his watch doesn't deserve to be robbed, but he doesn't get our pity. We can argue that we should live in a world were you can wear the watch without the risk of theft, but we don't and we will never.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to have to make the same comment that I make to all dudes who use the "muh Rolex" argument. A woman can't take off her boobs and ass whenever she wants. They're stuck to her. You can't compare them to a piece of jewelry. The watch argument only works if the sucker is permanently affixed to your body, you didn't get to choose the design or how flashy it is, and you have to decide every single day of your life how you're going to keep it covered up to avoid getting attacked, whether or not to show it off a bit on occassion, how much is too much, etc.

Yeah, I'm a strong believer in modest dress (Catholic female). The watch argument bugs the hell out of me though.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's addressing clothing choice. Not body.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The understood purpose of modest dress is the covering of those parts of the body (namely T&A) which are arousing to men. Do you have some other understanding of modest dress?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are the one who doesn't understand the concept.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sooo the only rebuttal you could think of was "no u"? XD

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Which is why I rarely go out. Even shorts and a t-shirt are too immodest for our Puritan society.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you live in Africa?

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope, America. I've never heard of a rape where the woman wasn't at least doing something wrong.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Even shorts and a t-shirt are too immodest for our Puritan society.

If you are referring to anywhere in English-speaking North America, this is a laughable statement.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this5 points6 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Yet, I've been yelled at from men in cars wearing that.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I don't doubt your story but that is irrelevant to the laughable claim that you live in a Puritan society. Well, it actually is quite Puritan in certain respects, but probably not the ones you think.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I was being slightly snarky, but the point still stands. Dressing like a slut is a low bar. Even if everything is covered, if something is too tight, you'll still be harassed.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

The good news is that sooner than you think, you will be cat-called for the last time.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

And why is that...?

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Not to creep but I'm 99% sure you live in a whitebread city/state and you were just being heckled/hit on by college dudes

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's also happened when I lived in Arizona.

[–]DelicateDevelopment1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One can always feel pity and sympathy for the bad or pain that other people experience. Many people are simply unaware and this doesn't make a crime less of a crime or the victim less of a victim.

I fully agree with everything else. It is stupid not to adjust one's own expectations to reality but expect reality to adjust to one's expectations ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (24 children) | Copy Link

No, women don't deserve to be raped or sexually assaulted.

They are NOT, however, entitled to expect it not to happen when they dress or act like sluts in places where and/or at times when bad things happen to sluts. For example: a woman, drunk off her ass, alone, at 3 am, in a bar on the bad side of town, dressed like a two-bit whore, can't exactly be surprised when the criminal element decides to take advantage of her and the situation.

They are NOT, however, entitled to expect no negative consequences.

They are NOT, however, entitled to demand that no one judge or reject them.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, but they are entitled to see justice for the crime that was committed against them.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

No, there might be foolish shit, akin to dude walking around in a neighborhood he doesn't belong who then gets the shit beat out of him by six guys. This doesn't mean that he then deserves more negative consequences than the pain and hospital bills from getting beat by said six guys. In fact, in a just world, the six thugs would be on the hook for their victim's pain and suffering.

And besides: most rape happens between friends and acquaintances.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You talked about "entitled to expect no negative consequences" implying that judging rape victims is a good thing. We need to stop making sexual conquest such an integral part of what it means to be a good man - then much of this garbage will stop.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I implied no such thing. You inferred it; which says more about YOU than it says about me.

You can eliminate sexual conquest from your life. You don't get to do that for me.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Culture shifts the importance of these things for everyone. You've shared here your experiences growing up in a conservative Midwestern area; this clearly shaped your view on n-count and sluts. Lots of posters here have talked about their experiences in liberal, coastal regions that cared far less about a girl's past and n-count. Nobody's immune from culture.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which says nothing about what you inferred.

Your inferences are on you. Don't put your biases on me.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Living in California isn't going to change the impact on ncount to marital stability, just the perception.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are many things that impact marital stability more than n count

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

He deserves scorn for being a liberal dumbass and not understanding or respecting the dynamics of the neighborhood or the people that control it. You see, liberals always frame it in their context and how it affects them personally, it's entitled and arrogant. Read the fucking room and have some respect for the environment and people who control it.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Let’s not literally add insult to injury: our hapless hero doesn’t want to be attacked a second time by six angry guys!

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's address the BP fantasy of the world should be a better place and I shouldn't be attacked for my arrogance of going into a controlled neighborhood and expecting nothing bad to happen.

[–]DelicateDevelopment2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That is a very difficult distinction to make. Of course they are entitled to expect... it is just stupid and unrealistic and therefore not useful. The world is as it is. Nobody should be raped anywhere and it is always bad when it happens. Rapists however exist.

Neither does such a situation

a woman, drunk off her ass, alone, at 3 am, in a bar on the bad side of town, dressed like a two-bit whore, can't exactly be surprised when the criminal element decides to take advantage of her and the situation.

give a rapist the right to rape, nor does it imply that the women deserves what happened. However, not to avoid such a situation exposes the women to become a victim, which is stupid. Nevertheless, it doesn't make her less of a victim or the other less of a perpetrator.

That is an important differentiation.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No, they're NOT entitled to expect not to be raped or assaulted when they act or dress slutty at places and at times where bad things happened to sluts. No one SHOULD be raped. But it can happen.

I'm not entitled to expect not to be robbed or assaulted when I walk through bad neighborhoods with $100 bills poking out of every pocket. But I probably will be robbed and assaulted. That's the point.

No one said anything about rapists having a right to rape. No one said anything about a slut deserving to be raped. But the world being what it is, if she's in a bar, drunk off her ass at 3 am alone while dressed like a whore, she's probably going to get raped.

[–]DelicateDevelopment1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Hm, I think that people have the right to expect whatever they want...? If they want to live in a fairytale and get hit by reality, it is their problem? Am I too cruel? As far as this goes I couldn't care less, but still feel pity for such stupidity? So, I would probably try to explain and help them to make better choices, but apart from that I would always try to remind myself that everybody is entitled to believe whatever BS he or she wants to believe? Some people want to understand, some don't...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We might be talking about the same things.

People can want whatever they want. But they should expect that the realities of the world will be visited on them, and that exceptions won't be made for them because of their ignorance, stupidity, or hopes.

It's not about cruelty, or caring, or pity IMO. It's simply about reality, in my view.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think that people have the right to expect whatever they want...?

What does this even mean? I don't believe that rights exist but even if I did, I would have no idea what this means.

I suppose I could expect my tomato garden to thrive by pouring seawater on it every day, but I have no idea what you mean when I have a "right" to entertain such an expectation.

[–]DelicateDevelopment0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Given the fact that we have states that grant rights they unarguably exist...

Right in the sense of "can". Everybody can think and expect whatever he or she wants. They have to live with the consequences, though... if I throw a stone into the air and expect that it won't fall onto my head, it is my freedom to think so, but I might still get hit by it.

So basically, one has the right (is allowed to) to expect whatever one wants, one just doesn't have the right (should not expect) to expect that ones expectations are fulfilled.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Given the fact that we have states that grant rights they unarguably exist...

Rights are a fiction. When examined, they come down to preferences.

I’m baffled as to the purpose of the remaining truisms.

[–]DelicateDevelopment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I don't understand how some people still can get excited or angry about the fact that there are many people who have their expectations not adjusted to reality. One might then as well also ask whether people are entitled to expect other people not to be entitled. Some people feel entitled to whatever, that is a reality as well. So why even think about it, instead of just accepting it? I think to argue about the subject of the expectation is more useful than to argue about who is entitled to what. Most people don't even feel entitled, they just don't understand that facts and reality exist...

It is the same with the word "right". Obviously "right" has different meanings in different contexts and it seemed that you didn't understand in what meaning I was using the word right. This was your question,

but I have no idea what you mean when I have a "right" to entertain such an expectation.

right?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfect example of white male seawater privilege.

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[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

they are entitled to getting a revenge on him later. goodbye, balls.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

W/e

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But plenty of those women feel shame, and instead project that as "I shouldn't be judged." Instead of accepting the nature of their behavior, they wish that the world instead shifts around them, as if they operate as the sun and we all orbit them.

This is what it really comes down to. "I can be high N, but don't you dare call me promiscuous!" "I can be high N, but I'm not a slut!" "I'm high N, but don't you dare judge me!"

Well, no.

I can judge them all I want. I can call them whatever I want. I can draw whatever conclusions I want about them.

There is no such thing as no consequences for behavior. There are consequences for everything we do, good and bad.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and we can judge men too. they will not be exempted.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s nothing new. Men have been mercilessly judged forever

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good stuff.

[–]downvotesanimals 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

"You might not be a ho... but you're wearin'... a ho's uniform."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as noted in the sticky, top level answers to a CMV must challenge the content in the OP, not agree with it.

[–]nemma88 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Sure judge away, I judge sluts in my head(men and women) , they deserve the same respect as anyone else in passing and I'm not going to interfere with their business because I'm not a nosey person, but personally I can choose not to associate with them, though if they are good people no real reason to.

We judge people all the time. Near everyone has some baggage, you can decide which types are an auto no for you. I think plenty of people are fine with it to be honest, I know few people who are not.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as noted in the sticky, top level answers to a CMV must challenge the content in the OP, not agree with it.

[–]Hottosmart 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I partly agree. I dress fashionably, and though I have the looks, I could never dress slutty. It's not in my nature. I do believe women who dress overtly provocative are doing so with the main aim of attracting the looks of the opposite sex. Possibly an over compensatory mechanism for a low self-esteem. You don't need to flash your cleavage and wear tight mini skirts to get a decent quality man interested in you.

With that being said, I dislike man sluts. Men that have slept around with 15+ partners are just a no no to me. In keeping up with your idea, I, as a reserved woman, would not treat a man slut relationship material. Maybe if he changed considerably. Maybe.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Now imagine him saying he's not a player, just sex positive.

[–]Hottosmart 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That's what man sluts say, though. Nothing new.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is my point, it's the equal argument.

[–]redpillrobert 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

a goalie is revered for how many goals they can prevent, not allow. no woman should ever brag about being easy. and those that do, are usually ugly

men value chastity in women

women value promiscuity in men

it's nature

[–]monkeysinmypocket4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude, you have no idea what women value in men. None.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah probably not i'm terrible with women

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

relax, happens to the best of us.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as noted in the sticky, top level answers to a CMV must challenge the content in the OP, not agree with it.

[–]Jokengonzo 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

All women’s revolutions start from the waist down

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's because that's where women's power sprouts from.

Male power sprouts from the barrel of a gun.

Female power sprouts from between their legs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as noted in the sticky, top level answers to a CMV must challenge the content in the OP, not agree with it.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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