TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

42

The degree to which old guys can succeed with younger, hot looking women is TREMENDOUSLY overplayed by TRP and others. There are stories of ordinary men, pushing 40, or even 50, having casual sex with hot women, even different hot women multiple time a week. Lets look at this:

I'm 41 and have been separated for 10 months now. I'm having the time of my life.

Last weekend I went out with a couple of co-workers. I could write a whole FR just on that night alone, but basically because I was out with two women, having a blast and enjoying myself I was at a nightclub and got approached by a 22 year old HB8 who actually picked me up. I haven't been to a club in four years because I can't stand them. Blue pill me would have been totally freaking out about this, but I was already getting a ride home from a plate and spending the night with her and knew it going into the night, plus I'd had sex with another woman that afternoon. We flirted a lot, talked and joked as much as possible and I did kino right away because I knew I was getting laid that night anyway and didn't care if she rabbited. Abundance, gentlemen. It works. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/522sqj/fr_my_date_with_a_woman_half_my_age/

So a guy who is 41, on a specific night, is going out with 2 women, then he walks into the club, and gets approached by a hot 22 year old. Prior to this, he had sex with some other woman that afternoon, and then a plate is driving him home and he is also having sex with that plate the same night........

Now, one question is, what do these TRP men who are 40+ look like? Are they immaculate fitness models? Are they more charming then George Clooney?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/78app5/300_photos_from_the_worlds_first_major_red_pill/

Here is a post containing a flickr account of photo from the recent RP convention in florida. Needless to say, most of these men are overweight or obese. They have double chins. They are balding. A lot of them are not facially handsome. They are not ripped and shredded. They look not much better than Harvey Weinstein. They are not millionaires or wealthy. They are below average to average men for their age.

To top it off? Here is a picture of one of the guy's girlfriends. An older, wrinkled, overweight woman. This is not a "22 year old HB9". Not even close.

The only 40+ men who can get casual sex with very young, hot women are:

  1. Athletes
  2. Actors
  3. Some form of celebrity
  4. Extremely wealthy men

Outside of this group, 40+ year old men are only getting casual sex with women their age and of a similar level of attractiveness. Or they are getting casual sex with young fat girls.

CMV


[–]oihaoerhg96 points97 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

The overwhelming majority of all men can't get casual sex with 20 something hot women.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 199328 points29 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

The overwhelming majority of all men can't get casual sex with 20 something hot women.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Nah getting casual sex is easy for average men just as long as they lower their standards. That's why chubby chasers are a thing.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

yeah good point, men only go for fat women out of desperation, that's why BBW porn doesn't exist.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

BBW fetishists are a tiny niche, acting like that reflects the average man is like saying all women want to be fucked by their dads because there's incest erotica.

[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

BBW porn is one of the most popular subgenres of porn, not a "tiny niche"

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And incest erotica is the most popular genre of erotica. Do women all wanna fuck their dads?

[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it? Source?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literotica is the biggest erotica site. The category with the most submissions by far is the incest one. It has ~40k stories compared to the next most popular section, BDSM, which has only ~30k.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Eh. I wouldn’t call myself a “chubby chaser,” but I do like a curvy woman

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s actually an anagram of my old username, MillionsV

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Average men don't need to lower their standards and have sex with fat women as long as they're truly average, like how Man has looked like for the last tens of thousands of years.

Those men weren't obese.

[–]askmrcia-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My cousin and older brother is a perfect example of this. Lord knows how many women they slept with, but majority of the women they hooked up with i wouldn't be able to get a erection for.

However every blue moon they would get a decent chick. If guys lower their standards they would no doubt have alot of casual sex.

With that said, when it comes to internet forums we often believe that the best lookin people are on these forums.

We think most red pullers are top notch guys pulling hb8s.

Everytime I read a field report about a red piller hookin up with a hb8+ I subtract at least three points.

Why? Because no one on the internet is going to brag about banging an average chick. So to make the story sound better of course you're going to exaggerate the girl.

What I'm getting at is we have to stop this habit of guys on internet forums pulling the hottest tail.

Just think about it. If you were getting rejected all your life and you finally started having casual sex with a woman that's not fat, well that's an upgrade. So now you're going to Brag to everyone how hot this chick is because she's better than anyone you had before. But in reality the girl is just average.

It's like the Browns winning 6 games next year. As a Browns fan (I know) winning six games is awesome and I'm sure our city will be happy and talking shit to other teams. Meanwhile other teams are thinking that's a below average season but hey we see why you guys are happy.

[–]oihaoerhg2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Could b tru. And those men who can't get casual sex should just go MGTOW.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19933 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

they are already.

[–]oihaoerhg2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm talking about the men who are in relationships who can't get sex any other way. They shouldn't be in relationships because they're just being used for their stability.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm talking about the men who are in relationships who can't get sex any other way.

well, why feel sorry for them wanting to have the cake and eat it too?

They shouldn't be in relationships because they're just being used for their stability.

this the only thing they can offer.

[–]oihaoerhg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hot people are the only group of people who for no reason gain a superior position in life. You can't feel sorry about them at all because they have everything sorted out for them. Uglies are literally the only people you can feel sorry for because they actually have shit in their life to feel sorry for. Hot people's lives could be infinite joyous orgies of epic proportions if they so choose.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's relatively easy. Target women with immoderation tendencies, go to the gym and buy some drugs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. Most men in their 20s can if they look presentable. Tinder also makes this so much easier for both men and women - who don't have to worry about being judged by their friends.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

'the overwhelming majority of obesemen can't get casual sex''

The overwhelming majority of men who decided they would rather sleep with women than joining the statistics of deaths from heart disase can get laid, and they can get laid with University-fit young women.

The average man, not the ''oh, I'm going to develop diabetes before the age of 25 average man'' has no trouble getting casual sex with hot women.

https://joemacgownrunning.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/trevonjoseph.jpg

That's how most of the men in my high school and University and the many thousands of average men I see everyday in my day to day life look like.

Explain to me why those guys would have trouble getting casual sex?

[–]BosonCollider0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

By studying engineering and working 60 hours per week in a 90% male environment, with post-finals parties that mostly consist of that same 90% male demographic getting heavily drunk.

The whole dispute about "high-class" males is weird imho. My experience is that the ones who are actually more likely to make more are frankly the most likely to be 25+ virgins. Not 40 year old virgins mind you, but they don't exactly have an easy time in college, especially if they aren't super outgoing.

(Also, these guys are not "average" by any means. They clearly do cardio and are hovering at 8-9% body fat which takes quite a bit of effort. The darker skinned guy is definitely top 10%, the other guy is maybe 25th percentile with clothes on, with clothes off he looks really skinny.)

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

> By studying engineering and working 60 hours per week in a 90% male environment, with post-finals parties that mostly consist of that same 90% male demographic getting heavily drunk.

Yeah, that's the problem ain't it? I understand guys wanting to make money, but enrolling in degree that will guarantee he'll spend the next 4 years or so surrounded mostly by men, and the few women he'll see will have their pick.

I went to a humanities university. The courses being taught were all feminized stuff, like History, Archeology, sociology, sciences of communication aka journalism, music, translation, etc, and the percentage of female students was like 90%. They weren't all from the same Country, either. There were so many Swedes, Germans, Finnish, Italians, Portuguese, French, Hungarian women and on and on, which made for a much easier time for any guy who was there to get laid.

I even had 5'2'' classmates of mine who were that height, chubby, and kinda of a rube, but they still got themselves pretty and fit girlfriends.

> (Also, these guys are not "average" by any means.

That's the sort of guy I would see next to me in high school. I was part of the Cross Country team, soccer team, swimming team, boxing team, and fencing team. Those guys never had trouble getting laid, and the guys who didn't take part in the physical events our school sponsored were still naturally fit enough to get girlfriends.

Outside of my high school and University days, most guys hover between the black guy and the white guy's body build, naturally. Those I know who live by the sea and take part in physical activities pretty much all look like the guy on the left, those guys who live in the ''big'' cities and don't have time to do sports, they just mind their diets and as a result they are more on the skinny side, though I have met many a guy whose physical regime is just wake up go to work, get home, eat, sleep, repeat, and they're closer in build to the guy you said has 9% body fat, they just lack the definition.

> . The darker skinned guy is definitely top 10%,

Yeah, that part always confuses me. The pictures of guys I interact with or see in my daily life, the women who see those pictures say those guys have hollywood movie stars looks, and yet I've met so many guys who get rejected often, so ya see it's not really all about looks.

> the other guy is maybe 25th percentile with clothes on, with clothes off he looks really skinny.)

Yeah, I hear ya. I'm as skinny as the dude on the left, but that doesn't seem to hold much water against me. I randomly send shirtless pictures of myself to girls

http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=40553_uglybodyy3_122_453lo.jpg

and they tell me I have a sexy body so as I keep saying, women have a varied taste in men. Yes, a hot guy is a hot guy, but an average guy like myself(in my enviroment) can be seen to be hot, by some, and not by others, and because all of these women are fit and pretty, It really doesn't matter to me that many women will tell me I'm too skinny or that I'm too short.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Well I think at some point an above average man can score a couple of experiences of casual sex with a hot 20 something woman, if he is young and muscular, etc.

But I am refuting the claim that some how normal 40 year old + men can be having the sex lives of athletes.

[–]theambivalentrooster6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I sometimes think the point of RP is to get guys to improve themselves enough to get girls they describe as HB8s but are really just average looking girls they finally had the confidence and looks to get a relationship with.

A lot of the RP community is mutual masturbation and puffery and outright lies but I think more guys go from schlubs to datable men than go from barely above average guys to plate-spinning Adonis-Chads who go through women like toilet paper and revenge fuck all the Staceys who wouldn't touch their peepees in middle school and NEVER get into relationships or get married to hypergamous degenerate feeeeemales.

[–]DareyFathom3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I consider self improvement and rejection of political correctness that the RP movement encourages to be noble pursuits. Overall, having spent years experiencing it firsthand, I believe the solipsistic hedonism they promote to be a net negative.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not fat is already a seven in the time of the obesity epidemic.

[–]DareyFathom7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Average men aren't ever muscular. Not by any scientific definition. So being muscular at any point in their lives would put them ahead of most men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Right, but given age and somewhat lower T levels, a guy who hasn't been training prior to aging will have a lot of difficulty transforming from an average or slightly fat dude to a muscular guy in his 40's.

That's why what the distinction here is, like what /u/Salty-Bastard is saying is that there is a subset of 20 somethings with daddy issues specifically seeking out older guys, but as a whole, 40+ guys aren't getting paid with hot college sorority girls.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny, I felt old and out of shape when I was married, building a business, raising kids, prioritizing others before me, and just plain lazy in the physical dept. cuz I was getting mediocre sex on the steady. Going through a divorce made me super focused on my priorities and personal growth. I'm in much better shape both physically and mentally today than i ever was when I was married.

[–]DareyFathom0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No definitely not. I'd also agree that college girls are especially susceptible to social pressures and would be very unlikely to openly pursue older men.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s for several reasons IMO. Number one older men just aren’t in their demographic of peers. But number two they just aren’t interested in dating a man that much older than they are, for the most part. Even a good looking 40 year old isn’t going to fool some 20s woman that he’s like only a few years older. I don’t think social pressure factors into that much tbh. The women who want older men or who just happen to be interested in one specifically aren’t like ashamed of it IME.

[–]LSTW123424 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The only 40+ men who can get casual sex with very young, hot women are:

Athletes

Actors

Some form of celebrity

Extremely wealthy men

There are exceptions. When I was 21 I had a casual relationship with a 42 year old man and he was none of the above. He was attractive but he wasn’t particularly wealthy or high status.

It’s not common but it happens. I can’t be the only one.

[–]rudolftherednosed3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did the same thing after college once. He was 45, I was 27. And he had similar characteristics of what you described.

[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Would you consider yourself hot?

[–]LSTW12348 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At 21 I was hot. No supermodel but I never had trouble getting guys I was attracted to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not OP but I had a hot mid twenties friend who had a late thirties fwb she did BDSM with. She was super slutty though and had a triple digit lay count so I guess she's an exception.

Btw I don't mean slutty in a condescending way. She was lots of fun to hang out with.

Edit: my point is she didn't fuck the late thirties guy because he was so awesome and gamed her into doing it. I think she had some sort of sex addiction issue.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin15 points16 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

40 year old Chads fuck 20 something hot chicks all the fucking time

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

whats that

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Men age like wine

Women age like milk.

Just some pictures of fine wine.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

These dudes look 40+

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

And they age like wine. Remember, the older a man gets the hotter he is. Women get all gross and saggy and ugly. Men become sexy!

[–]DarkLord0chinChin8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No one says that men stay young into their 40s.

Women don't get gross and ugly unless they give up on their appearance, pretty much like men. So it's not that men age like wine and women like milk in terms of appearance. Rich people with healthy habits age like wine, lazy asses who become fat age like milk..

This is all tangent to the issue of the wall though. Women hit the wall for a variety of reasons, fading looks being one of them. It is undeniable that women become much more willing to pay attention to men in in their 30s that they ignored in their 20s.

It is also apparent that things like wrinkles and rugged features don't really affect male attractiveness as much as they do affect female attractiveness.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Those men are post wall too

[–]DarkLord0chinChin3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The men you've linked are just unattractive.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No they are not. They are FINE WINE.

[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I will cede that is an unfortunate sample however you skipped some of the better looking guys purposely. Also, say what you will but Goldmund does get laid. He’s managed to work himself into the right circumstances to do so (approaching as a photographer, living in NYC, travelling a lot, etc.)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

40 year old Chads fuck 20 something hot chicks all the fucking time

Yea as I said:

The only 40+ men who can get casual sex with very young, hot women are:

Athletes Actors Some form of celebrity Extremely wealthy men

[–]CallandoroReddish Purps1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What’s your cutoff for an athlete? Like a guy who plays pickup games for fun and is very fit?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ummm would need to be involved in fitness or sports professionally. So one of those huge personal trainers at 24 hour fitness you might see or a fitness inspo on Instagram would suffice.

[–]mydikishomofobik15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The overwhelming majority of 20 something guys can't get casual sex with 20 something hot women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but they Can find a girlfriend around their age.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFM5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They can if they travel. 20something girls of all nationalities and ethnicities love something exotic + if the girls themselves are away from home then they dial up their slut-level by a factor of 3.14159. Not business man travelling though. Has to be more like leisure travels.

[–]CallandoroReddish Purps3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tinder works the same on business trips as anywhere else

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can if they travel. 20something girls of all nationalities and ethnicities love something exotic + if the girls themselves are away from home then they dial up their slut-level by a factor of 3.14159.

Oh definitely, then that changes things a lot. Good point.

[–]SeemedGood5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The point is that the overwhelming majority of all men do not have easy sexual access to young attractive women because women are hyper-selective with a lot of individual criteria overlap.

Generally women find only a very small selection of men actually sexually attractive (as in they want to actively pursue a sexual encounter as opposed to simply would engage in sex in exchange for some non-sexual utility). And further, youth is substantially less of a sexual attractor for women than it is for men.

So, if you are fortunate enough to be in the hyper small set to whom women are actually sexually attracted, your age doesn’t matter as much as long as you still maintain the stronger attraction cues - some of which tend to increase with age (e.g. confidence, worldliness, authority).

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Meh as long as you're in reasonable physical shape you can fuck young girls with daddy issues at 40 if you know where to find them. It's not impossible or even really that difficult. The girls will be crazy, emotionally unstable, possibly very clingy, because no normie young girl is going after old guys... but still, you can say you banged an 18 year old.

I agree that the majority of 40 year old men don't do this, but I don't agree they cannot if they wanted to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Right, other posters brought this up.

The issue here is girls with daddy issues is more of a niche, or not really the stacys that these FR are talking about.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The FRs are fanfic, no guy is gonna admit "I fuck crazy girls with daddy issues" when he's trying to make himself looks like chad is he? But if he really is fucking young girls at 40 that's exactly what is happening I guarantee you.

And they're a niche in overall society but look to the BDSM scene and they're everywhere. I might step on some toes for saying that but it's true sorry.

[–]couldbemage1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reading your first paragraph I was ready to chime in with "I admit it", then I read the second paragraph and laughed my ass off. I love unstable girls who want get tied up, beaten, make videos, etc. But renfaire and similar events are also great places to find them.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love unstable girls who want get tied up, beaten, make videos, etc.

Oh me too. I'm not hating. I can't get enough of 'em. But there's always people who get mad when I mention that kinky girls are more likely to be crazy.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man22 points23 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

another lame attempt to attack TRP with a shitty strawman.

the 80/20 rule is TRP 101. most men are garbage and struggle with women while the top men are disproportionately sexually successful.

literally no one on TRP thinks or claims that every single 40 year old, even the garbage tier fat balding losers, is out slaying hot 20 year old poon every night.

The only 40+ men who can get casual sex with very young, hot women are:

Athletes Actors Some form of celebrity Extremely wealthy men

lol ok. low SMV solipsism

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

fat balding losers, is out slaying hot 20 year old poon every night.

Please explain why a majority of the men at the red pill convention are fat and balding. I linked the pictures, you didn't respond to any of that.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

that wasn't an actual TRP event, i think it was some kind of manosphere-focused life coach bullshit or something and a few RP guys like Rollo Tomassi were guest speakers.

but what's your point, other than just trying to make a jab at TRP and imply that TRPers are fat bald dudes? how does that relate at all to your OP, that no guys in their 40s do well with hot younger girls?

and tbh, there were a lot of goofy looking dudes in those pics of this supposed "TRP convention" but they looked like Chad-tier studs compared to the disgusting fuckups that typically show up at reddit meetups:

https://m.imgur.com/VBW3viW

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That cute girl behind the dog must have felt so out of place. Funny how the dog hangs with her, dogs have keen human radar.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Funny how the dog hangs with her, dogs have keen human radar.

Could also just be her dog?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point

[–]_Rookwood_Purple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dear lord, and some of them even appear to have reproduced.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

but what's your point, other than just trying to make a jab at TRP and imply that TRPers are fat bald dudes? how does that relate at all to your OP, that no guys in their 40s do well with hot younger girls?

Read the title. the majority of 40+ men don't get casual sex with young hot women. Dating and not hot women in their 20's is a different story.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Please explain why a majority of the men at the red pill convention are fat and balding.

Do you also wonder why hospitals are full of sick people?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

That's a false analogy, hospitals are not representing or claiming to represent individuals in top health.

TRP is meaning to represent older men who have extravagant sex lives.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

hospitals are not representing or claiming to represent individuals in top health.

You think that people don’t go to hospitals to improve their health? What do you think they are for?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You think that people don’t go to hospitals to improve their health? What do you think they are for?

No. You cannot electively be hospitalized. People are hospitalized due to extremely poor health, and usually in urgent need to prevent death. No one is making a decision to be hospitalized of their own desire to improve.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You cannot electively be hospitalized.

What? No, people voluntarily show up at hospitals all the time. Do you think everyone in the emergency room was dragged their against their will?

No one is making a decision to be hospitalized of their own desire to improve.

To improve their health? Absolutely. I have the bills from the last few months to prove it. Just two weeks ago I had an outpatient operation. I was not at death's door, but I had an issue that needed tending. I showed up at 8 am and was home around 1 pm the same day.

Look, since you are sperging out over the hospital analogy, these may also help:

  • hospitals are full of sick people
  • barbershops are full of people with heads of hair and/or beards
  • Weight Watchers meetings are full of fat people
  • Red pill conventions are full of unattractive and/or socially awkward men

Why? Because of the corollaries:

  • healthy people don't need hospitals
  • bald, clean-shaved people don't need barbers
  • slim, fit people don't need Weight Watchers
  • handsome, charismatic men don't need red pill conventions

Do you understand?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, people voluntarily show up at hospitals all the time. Do you think everyone in the emergency room was dragged their against their will?

Emergency rooms deal with conditions that require prompt or immediate medical attention.

To improve their health? Absolutely. I have the bills from the last few months to prove it. Just two weeks ago I had an outpatient operation. I was not at death's door, but I had an issue that needed tending. I showed up at 8 am and was home around 1 pm the same day.

When you said "hospitals full of sick people" this rings to me at people staying overnight or for inpatient care.

Most operations that would actually require an inpatient stay are not elective.

Also note: elective purely means if you don't do it it would never compromise your lifespan or increase your risk of mortality. It would only compromise your quality of life.

A much better example is that healthy people need doctors and regular visits to improve and be at their optimal health.

[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Emergency rooms deal with conditions that require prompt or immediate medical attention.

This is an accurate statement of fact. Now all you need is an inference and conclusion.

Most operations that would actually require an inpatient stay are not elective

This doesn't ruin my analogy. Fat people at Weight Watchers and socially awkward guys at red pill conventions generally don't view the problems they want to solve as being elective. They tend to view them as pretty big problems that need serious attention to fix.

In any event, I don't see why it is hard to grasp that handsome, charismatic men are not the bulk of attendees at red pill conventions because handsome, charismatic men don't need red pill conventions. Can you please demonstrate that you understand this?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well that's just not true, elective surgery can easily require going to hospital.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most elective surgeries don't require in patient hospital stays. I took the comment "hospitals full of X people" to mean overnight stays or longer.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Y'all still to be latching onto this convention way too much. Like you think trp and mgtow subs hold these guys up as God's?

Just some guys trying to make money. Pretty sure most of them are mras

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like you think trp and mgtow subs hold these guys up as God's

Well maybe the older TRP does?

I remember seeing gaylubeoil's pic and he works out a lot. He seems way more legit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well maybe the older trp does?

Eh. I am in the older mgtow group (late thirties). Some of those guys have some interesting things to say regarding mra issues, but other then that they aren't really puas.

Most of the guys who are still in the game aren't going to dox themselves. Being associated with trp is a game ender.

[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The claim repeated ad nauseum is that a man's SMV increases into middle age. So why aren't 40-year-old men pulling down 20-year-old poon on the reg? If their SMV only increases in an explicitly contextual way, it's a fraudulent idea.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

more bluepill strawman bullshit.

TRP does NOT claim that all men's SMV will increase into middle age. because that's obviously not true.

some men's SMV can increase, or at least decline slower and more gradually compared to women's SMV, which drops dramatically in the same age range (aka the wall). but that assumes the men are following TRP's recommendations, staying in shape, taking care of themselves, advancing in their career, maintaining an active social life, etc.

if a particular guy stops trying and just sits around being a lazy fuckup drinking beer and getting fat, then his SMV will be in the toilet.

and some guys start out as shit-tier omega losers with terrible SMV, and even if they do improve in their 30s and 40s, it still may not be enough for them to be fucking hot 20 year olds all the time.

there's also practical/logistical reasons for guys in their 40s to not be fucking around with 20 year olds - a lot of guys who could do well with younger girls are married and not willing to get divorce raped.

and there are a lot of BP and beta men who could be fucking hot younger girls, but they stupidly listen to all the shaming nonsense spewing out of jealous older post-wall women and those guys try to date women in their same age range.

[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Whether some men squander their purported redpill benefit package is not the point (and not a strawman), nor is what their SMV starts out as. TRP absolutely and unambiguously states that a man's SMV increases if he can assume the role of breadwinner.

But then here I am, pretending that SMV is even a valid concept.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

TRP absolutely and unambiguously states that a man's SMV increases if he can assume the role of breadwinner.

lol citation needed for this load of BS

[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Uh, one aspect of every valuation of male worth that TRP has ever made?

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

being a breadwinner = being a provider / beta bucks. this can help a man's relationship value, but it will not help his sexual market value. and in some cases it can hurt aan if he is only interested in casual sex and not LTRs.

thinking that being a better provider will make a man more sexually attractive is blue pill beta BS, and not something TRP advocates at all.

[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then what, exactly, is the basis for a man's SMV either increasing or at least maintaining throughout his later adult life when compared to woman?

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

more money can help a man to become more of a sexy, alpha type guy, which will improve his SMV. but that's NOT the same thing as using his money to be a breadwinner/provider/beta bucks.

a lot of people tend to jump straight to "more money = more chicks" but that's an oversimplification. money can make it easier for a man to become more an an AF or a BB, and those are two very different paths.

for the guy pursuing the RP-type lifestyle where the goal is to be a sexy alpha fucker, more money means a man can afford more things like travel and expensive hobbies, nice clothes, gym memberships and healthier food, going to high end restaurants and clubs, etc.

also, as he gets older he should have more experience and confidence with women and more social status if he is doing everything correctly.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not all the men in those photos look like hell. A couple of them could pass for good looking normal guys who might turn up at your cousin's wedding or some hoity toity cigar shop. The older ones just look like my dad's friends. Nothing exceptional.

I am going to be gross, but has it occurred to you that some prostitutes are good-looking women in their twenties? That is what is probably happening in all those field reports.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am going to be gross, but has it occurred to you that some prostitutes are good-looking women in their twenties? That is what is probably happening in all those field reports.

Definitely, i actually suspect that or either some form of sugar daddy type of relationships are going on. I have used a prostitute before in Cambodia, i'm not against it.

[–]SmurfESmurferson7 points8 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

I'm almost always team "these FRs are complete fairy tales," but there are some more mature TRPers who have a youthful energy in their communication styles - u/squidracer and u/cxj come to mind, along with a few others. I could see that very small, fun group pulling younger girls on a fairly regular basis.

That said, don't hold the 21 Convention attendees/speakers up as your average TRPer. I've pic swapped with a few long time TRPers in IRC, and as a general rule, the guys are good looking. Brad Pitt they're not, but they're more attractive than most guys I see IRL.

I can only speak to the handful of guys whose pics I've seen (assuming they weren't lying and using someone else's pics), but if they're representative of TRPers as a whole ...

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been meaning to do a post about youthful communication skills. I’ve been in an ltr for a while now but I knew my days were numbered when I started trying to use Snapchat. I figured I probably could figure out how to game it, but for the first time it just felt like work to me, a new social media platform was no longer fun. I think I still have the cultural/media skills to seduce about 24+ age girls, and there is a 22 y/o qt at work I’ve been told thinks I’m cute, and then followed me on insta, but I think my options are dwindling.

Imo the reds ITT saying it’s not about age it’s about who/how you are are right, but they are somewhat off on what who/how you are really means. TRP has always lacked a critical fun element, the closest I’ve seen is Roosh s cynically named “clown game.”

Basically, if you are organically part of younger circles and especially as a veteran of something admired by younger men, you absolutely can bang much younger girls. I think qt at my job is partly attracted to me because I’m in charge around there , organizing the team and telling everyone they’re doing a good job etc

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ugh, fuck Snapchat.

[–]concacanca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta be happy its going down the pan. It only really serves one purpose and even thats become less important.

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 9[M] -1 points0 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Do not ask other users for pictures

[–]Salty-Bastard 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Technically, he asked if they had ever exchanged pics.

[–]PPD-Angel 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

He can ask that in private messages then.

[–]Salty-Bastard 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It was a polite interaction between two long time well respected users. Do you not see the nuance between that interaction and some troll saying tits or gtfo? He didn't ask for pics, he asked if he had sent her one. It obvious they respect each other.

[–]PPD-Angel 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This decision is not up for debate, if he removes that part it can be reapproved, if not then it is staying removed, polite or not.

[–]Salty-Bastard 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Unbelievable. You guys are going to overmod the decent people away from this sub.

[–]PPD-Angel 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

He is not getting banned or warned about it, I could have another moderator look at if he wants.

[–][deleted]  (10 children) | Copy Link

[removed]

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Done

[–]ppd_FrameEnforcerRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't see what was removed or what the arg was about, but I personally thank you for being gracious to the mods.

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

[removed]

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 9[M] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thank you, I will reapprove.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ty

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks BB 😘

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscardThat's Mr. Dad to You4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

R/TRP has 260k subscribers. Let’s assume that less than 20% of those are guys over 40. That’s 50k. Take the top 1% of those guys still leaves us with 500 guys. That’s 500 TRP users on Reddit that are 40+ who are in the top 1% of their bracket in terms of SMV.

I’ve seen plenty of good looking girls throw themselves at top 1%ers who are 42-46, especially if they have a little grey but a youthful face.

So I think that OP is confusing what the best of the best are getting versus what the average 40+ TRP gets.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let’s assume that less than 20% of those are guys over 40. That’s 50k. Take the top 1% of those guys still leaves us with 500 guys. That’s 500 TRP users on Reddit that are 40+ who are in the top 1% of their bracket in terms of SMV.

That's only true if the people on TRP are evenly distributed in terms of SMV, meaning that the distribution of SMV on reddit is identical or very close to the SMV distribution of men overall.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy10 points11 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Late 20's women with daddy issues hook up with 40+ men quite often. Its usually a shitshow and doesn't last long but it can be quite fun while it lasts.

[–]CallandoroReddish Purps3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Also sometimes you spend some time in the game, you accumulate a long list of women who you might not hear from for 6 months but then she’s single again and she starts creepin around again and lingering and you know what’s up

What might be “that one girl” if you’ve been doing this a few months becomes a bunch of them if you’ve been doing this a few years

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Timing is everything.

[–]CallandoroReddish Purps1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok, more reasonable.

How hot were these women? do they look anything like this? http://i5.asn.im/this-is-the-main-reason-why-you-should-go-to-college-_vmm7.jpg

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

She looks a little young and naive, shes in college right? That wouldn't be late 20's nor would I be attracted to someone that young.

I wont post pictures without permission but all were attractive to me, skinny, yoga bodies, high cheekbones. A botanist, a mail carrier, and a waitress. 30,27,29. The 29 y old had two small kids. The 30 y old and I both wanted to make a run at an LTR but she wanted kids. Too bad really....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright, that sounds more niched and reasonable for 40+ guys

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think as women get older the age gap matters less.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true but in my opinion 20 years is a stretch in most cases unless you're just having fun in STR land. I was lucky enough to connect with an old soul who abhors social media, appreciates old blues, reads the same random Buddhist monk I do, loves nature, and understands the most important thing is the spaces in between. Ugh, she wanted kids, I didn't.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She could be next regretful 7 months. Would smash, thumbs up.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that doesn't seem so far off to me. It's not super common, but it happens often enough.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I thought it was an urban legend until it kept happening to me, I'm no slouch when it comes to attraction traits but still, I'm no spring chicken. They never last more than a year though.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh well at that age as soon as they see your not serious they bounce.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That and when you have the "when your 50 I'll be 70" talk, usually sobers them up.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Meh, didn't stop my mom.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everybody's different. That's why I don't buy a lot of these black & white never happens posts.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get that. Fifty and seventy are way closer in lifestyle than twenty and forty.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I actually knew one of those gals. She had serious issues, it was sad to watch her hit on any man old enough to be Dad.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Pro tip. During conversation ask about his/her family. The very last person they bring up will be the person they have the most issues with. Caveat; if a guy brings up his mom first and keeps bringing up his mom, he's looking to you to be a mommy replacement.

[–]CallandoroReddish Purps0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like this! Thanks for sharing

Now that I think about it someone did this to me recently

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad I could help.

[–]CallandoroReddish Purps2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The only 40+ men who can get casual sex with very young, hot women are

I’ll challenge this. What’s your definition of “casual”? I know older guys who date girls in their 20s off and on, like a FWB or FB thing which some people consider casual, there is a bit of beta bux going on there tho, usually in the form of dragging the girls along to do shit with them

Also even if we knock that out, id argue that it’s a bit more expansive than your list of like .000001% outliers, I think we could probably blow it up a bit and we’d still see some dudes who occasionally get casual sex with hot young girls.

One more category you forgot would be people with free cocaine

Idk bro the game is a weird place and the amount of things I’ve seen happen that were stranger than fiction, idk it’s innumerable

[–]ivegotsomequestions0Purple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

beta bux

Free cocaine

Spot on. This is the lesser known beta bux for young girls, meant not for marrying and having babies with but for performing a number of services. Dorkier ones give rides and might get laid, but maybe not. The ones with a lot of social clout get you a more important social role in the party scene, and those do get fucked. Rich ones can be in either end of the spectrum, but which end they're at determines how long the girl sticks around after she gets what she needs.

It's a complicated mix of some attraction to the cooler old guys, plus getting access to something they wouldn't otherwise.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ll challenge this. What’s your definition of “casual”? I know older guys who date girls in their 20s off and on, like a FWB or FB thing which some people consider casual, there is a bit of beta bux going on there tho, usually in the form of dragging the girls along to do shit with them

Casual means completely bootycall. Meaning aside from going to buy a pizza or beer from the store it's all netflix and chill or bang at home. That's at least the way TRP describes it, in the case of older guys.

One more category you forgot would be people with free cocaine

That would fall under the rich guy portion. AKA Dan Bilzerian, or lesser rich druggie guys.

[–]CallandoroReddish Purps0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay that’s fair, I mean I would consider your view partially changed or at least clarified bc we do have a large contingent here who consider FWBs to be casual sex, even though it’s not a complete 100% pure bootycall.

I’ve had casual partners who I took along on adventures (that I would be doing anyway) bc I thought it would be nice to have the company. From my perspective that’s a win win but some people do classifythat as beta buxing. I don’t think it is, imo it’s really a minimal sort of investment, same with buying girls drinks in similar ways that I would with friends—occasionally we get our own, occasionally we buy each other a round, we don’t really track we just try to make sure it’s roughly fair

WRT the guy with coke—that’s fair but you really don’t have to be extremely rich to do that in your local bar scene, at least not Dan Bilzerian rich

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would consider your view partially changed or at least clarified bc we do have a large contingent here who consider FWBs to be casual sex, even though it’s not a complete 100% pure bootycall.

Yes, somewhat changed also because people brought up some girls in their mid twenties with daddy issues, which makes sense for a niche that older guys would do better in.

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You just explained the 80/20 rule.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’ve posted a similar response to a similar question in another thread on here. I’m a 21 year old women and I’ve never been physically attracted to anyone over 28/29. Men age just like women do, just like humans do, and 40 looks like 40 on pretty much everyone. I have quite a few good female friends my age and none of them date significantly older men. Even someone who is 26 or 27 is “too old” for my 22 year old friends. I said it once and I said it again...except to a small minority who likes age gaps, older men aren’t sexy. Young men are sexy and just as willing to fuck.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Same. Am 23 and that would be my limit as well. Men just don't stay attractive when they get old. Even when they were good looking when young. I wouldn't ever be attracted to someone who looks like Billy Zane now for example but he was a good looking guy when he was young.

It just puzzle me why men think they wouldn't lose whatever look they had when they were young (supposing they were attractive in the first place that is which a lot of young men are not). It happens to everyone, women included.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it’s partially a revenge fantasy. Being attractive is hard, even in youth, most people are average at best, and everyone worsens with age. I think a lot of these men ignore the fact that they’re attracting women who are interested in their money or status (gold digging is definitely a thing) and mental gymnastics themselves into believing they’re sexy. Which they’re not, but plenty of people aren’t above sucking old cock for having everything they want paid for.

All of us humans are all made of the same ratios of keratin, collagen, and other fun proteins...we’re all going to degrade at the same rate. Of course it varies on individual lifestyle, if someone doesn’t wear sunscreen or is obese they’ll age worse, but there’s no difference in physical aging for men and women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically.

I often see old guys in their thirties or older say stuff like they don't look older than 25 or they're often thought as being in their 20s or something like that, and it's like nah dude...aging affects so many things (skin, eyes, hair, voice, muscle, hormones, smell even etc) that's there's no such thing as not looking your age.

For example some (rare) people get their white hair in their twenties, but they still look in their twenties overall. Conversely, some people get their white hairs much later than average...but there's no way you could mistake them for someone young, you know?

We've evolved to be attracted to healthy mating partners. Old sickly etc = not healthy mating material. Males who think they're the sole exception to this rule are usually guys who were physically undesirables when young and they have to rationalize because now that they're no longer young they can't bear the thought of never having to get to experience having a cute (and young) girl attracted to them. It gnaws at them because they've bought into their own delusion of specialness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think a small minority of women prefer guys their own age... so you are a minority here, unfortunately.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re incorrect, and here are the statistics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

Over 33% of all American couples have the man and woman within ONE year of age of each other. Almost 70% have both partners within 5 years of each other.

[–]rulenumber3034 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Sure they can. They can pay for it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good answer

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Or, they can work hard on being in the top 20% and reap the benefits of their hard work.

[–]rulenumber3031 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

All of them can succeed at doing this?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Did you miss the 20% part ?

[–]rulenumber3032 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Nope, just pointing out to you that you are giving advice that if all men took it, would fail 80% of the time.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

And if you don't try you will never know. Is your alternative to just give up as a man?

[–]rulenumber3031 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Setting realistic goals is giving up?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Before we continue, are you a man?

[–]rulenumber3030 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Did you fail to notice my flair?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, I was reading your words instead.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]rulenumber3031 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh well, TRP wants a world where not only are 80% of men disappointed, but they work damn hard for their disappointment.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But most won't. So for most men, if they put in the work, it's possible, since most other men aren't.

But also:

If by some miracle forty percent of men sudden become as attractive as today's top twenty, I expect they'd still do well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The top 20% wouldn't be enough for casual sex with hot 22 year olds in college though (which is what the story linked entailed)

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, my message is for men to strive to be in the top 20% their entire lives and reap the benefits of their hard work. Nobody cares about 22 year old Stacys in the big picture of men's lives.

[–]Swallow_bird_1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ehhhh people take TRP seriously? I thought it was well known they make up 90% of their sex stories. I mean, those are very obviously fake.

Ps. Holy fucking shit that photo album is GOLD. Thank you so much for posting that. I love the overweight guy with a goatee and Hawaiian shirt. Hilarious. Just what I thought they looked like lol.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ps. Holy fucking shit that photo album is GOLD. Thank you so much for posting that. I love the overweight guy with a goatee and Hawaiian shirt. Hilarious. Just what I thought they looked like lol.

I don't understand how someone can logically believe a man like that is simultaneously having casual sex with 3-4 hot young women.

[–]Swallow_bird_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's obviously drowning in pussy. Men should strive to have that level of sex appeal. All he's missing is the fedora.

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously. RP doesn’t contest this.

[–]funny_lyfeMostly rational1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh lord. I would be subjectively the best looking guy in that room. A couple that are jacked maybe some women might prefer over me. Didn't someone just make this topic not too long ago?

But I will say when I was younger it would happen semi regularly, some hotter girl would date a professor, or older dude. Some of them were subjective 8's as well. But it was not common. These women would usually just use these guys, which the red pill is against. So maybe every now and then someone tells the truth. I just can't see it being regular thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But I will say when I was younger it would happen semi regularly, some hotter girl would date a professor, or older dude. Some of them were subjective 8's as well. But it was not common.

Also, with the #metoo movement I imagine this would make approaching girls much younger than you more risky.

[–]funny_lyfeMostly rational0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe. Guys who date younger women are usually bold. And some women that have daddy issues do seek out men. But definitely, it's become a little trickier.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hah. #metoo girls are just as if not more likely to be the ones inviting everyone at the party to feel them up.

[–]funny_lyfeMostly rational0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of angry feminists. I've dated a a couple, going to rallies and shit. But I can be like I don't care for feminism, and they don't give a shit. In fact they won't date the guys who support them. 'Those guys are usually weird' is what I would hear.

[–]AnteesAntaas1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

For a sub that is "purple", there sure is a lot more blue than red. How many of you have actually spent a considerable amount of time on TRP? I'm guessing less than 10 %, because not one person has pointed out one of the fundamental aspects of TRP: You do not talk about TRP.

A true RP man knows to not even discuss it amount friends. These men in that convention you linked are clearly breaking this rule and even doing it publicly. How can they possibly be considered RP men?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

A true RP man knows to not even discuss it amount friends. These men in that convention you linked are clearly breaking this rule and even doing it publicly. How can they possibly be considered RP men?

No true scotsman huh.

[–]AnteesAntaas0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

The way I phrased it, yes.

What i meant was there is a difference between a man who is aware of TRP or claims to be TRP, vs one who is actually implementing TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Even so - those men are the founders of the movement. They're the ones that came up with the ideas of TRP.

You think maybe if they're super weird - TRP ideas kind of are super weird?

I mean - why is it a rule that you don't talk about it? This goes back to PUA. You had anonymous aliases online which served as your "PUA name". And not talking about it was compared to not talking about fight club. But deep down, everyone knew that you didn't talk about it because it was weird.

[–]AnteesAntaas0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You think maybe if they're super weird - TRP ideas kind of are super weird?

That's what we call a genetic fallacy. The idea is what matters, not the person who said it. Besides, they

Also, have you listened to what any of these men said during that conference? I haven't, but I'm just wondering if you think they are "super weird" based on their ideas or their looks.

I mean - why is it a rule that you don't talk about it? This goes back to PUA. You had anonymous aliases online which served as your "PUA name". And not talking about it was compared to not talking about fight club. But deep down, everyone knew that you didn't talk about it because it was weird.

Weird is as subjective as it gets, I don't find anything weird with a man maximizing his sexual strategy.

The reason you don't discuss TRP is that there is no benefit in doing so. It is better for people to think you have TRP traits naturally rather than having explicitly studied it. Also, it is not socially acceptable to discuss TRP in most circles. It is the same as having a fetish, you are not going to talk about it because it is socially inappropriate.

Rather than ask why not to discuss TRP, consider asking why one should discuss TRP? What does one gain from discussing TRP? What does one stand to lose? Do the benefits outweigh the costs?

I find it difficult to imagine a scenario where a man benefits from saying that he reads TRP on reddit and implements their strategies. I like to practice selective honesty, I don't give random information about myself for free unless it benefits me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's what we call a genetic fallacy. The idea is what matters, not the person who said it. Besides, they

Of course - it's not an argument in itself. The main reason that the ideas are weird is the ideas themselves. But you'd imagine that the people who practice those ideas also would be weird - and hey, they are.

Also, have you listened to what any of these men said during that conference? I haven't, but I'm just wondering if you think they are "super weird" based on their ideas or their looks.

Yes. I was in the PUA community in my early 20s, and a bunch of those guys are pua "Legends".

Weird is as subjective as it gets, I don't find anything weird with a man maximizing his sexual strategy.

"Maximizing his sexual strategy". Not sure what you meant by that, but I agree there's absolutely nothing wrong with a man trying to get as attractive as possible.

The reason you don't discuss TRP is that there is no benefit in doing so. It is better for people to think you have TRP traits naturally rather than having explicitly studied it. Also, it is not socially acceptable to discuss TRP in most circles. It is the same as having a fetish, you are not going to talk about it because it is socially inappropriate.

Really? Like, not even with other guys who has experience that they can share? Isn't this exactly what is done in the sub?

Guys discuss how to get with women all the time in real life. It's not a socially inappropriate topic.

Rather than ask why not to discuss TRP, consider asking why one should discuss TRP? What does one gain from discussing TRP? What does one stand to lose? Do the benefits outweigh the costs?

Because you can get feedback on how others see your behavior, and you can actually improve. This would probably happen to a lot of guys who attempt to practice TRP, example:

TRPer: "Whoa, Stacy sure does shit test me a lot!" Other guy: "What?" TRPer: "explains shit tests" Other guy: "Is that why you accused the girl we talked to at the bar yesterday of having an imaginary boyfriend(actual shit test reply example from illimitable men)? You totally ruined that! She was going to introduce us to her friends!" TRPer: "But if I don't hold frame in some way, she's going to think I'm a low value man!" Other guy: "You're acting like a low value man by thinking you have to pass tests when you talk to women. Stop giving a fuck. And Stacy is actually into you, but you're turning her off by suddenly laughing at her and acting like you're a 7th grade boy" TRPer: "That's called amused mastery! But you're right. Now that you've pointed out how I appear to others, I have gained insights into the effects of my own behavior. Boy am I glad I didn't simply discuss my selective recollection of this weekend's events with a bunch of strangers online who are probably even more clueless than me!"

[–]AnteesAntaas0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I was in the PUA community in my early 20s, and a bunch of those guys are pua "Legends".

We shouldn't equate PUA with TRP, although there will obviously be a lot of similarities.

"Maximizing his sexual strategy". Not sure what you meant by that, but I agree there's absolutely nothing wrong with a man trying to get as attractive as possible.

Optimizing his sexual strategy.

Really? Like, not even with other guys who has experience that they can share? Isn't this exactly what is done in the sub?

Yes, but it is done anonymously, except for a select few who make money out of TRP.

Guys discuss how to get with women all the time in real life. It's not a socially inappropriate topic.

Talking about getting women is fine, but things that relate to women's nature are going to get you socially ostracized in many circles. There is also the very real possibility that one of the guys you share this info with will rat you out as a red piller to other guys/girls and TRP has a bad reputation.

I made this mistake when I first started reading TRP, one close friend said "you are talking like those MGTOWs". I then considered, do I want to be thought of as a MGTOW? This will do more harm than good, and I started being much more careful with talking about RP topics. Good thing he was a very good friend that I have known since middle school and lived in a different state. Otherwise, he may have spread what I talked about in a way that would have had a net negative on my social/sex life.

In any case, if one is to talk about TRP it should only be with close friends he trusts. Those guys are talking to a bunch of strangers.

Because you can get feedback on how others see your behavior, and you can actually improve. This would probably happen to a lot of guys who attempt to practice TRP, example:

Your scenario is not realistic and is assuming the best case scenario (and honestly, reeks of autism..nobody talks like that) In reality, men are competing with each other for the best girls and it's best not to have all the men in your social circle be RP aware.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Talking about getting women is fine, but things that relate to women's nature are going to get you socially ostracized in many circles.

Do you think that maybe there's a reason why talking about TRP's view of "Women's nature" will get you ostracized? Maybe it's the same reason that a lot people find it weird if you talk about scientology, conspiracy theories, or things like that?

There is also the very real possibility that one of the guys you share this info with will rat you out as a red piller to other guys/girls and TRP has a bad reputation.

Right. So imagine you have a guy friend who's really good with women(which TRP claims it will make you) and someone claims he reads the TRP sub. Do you think anyone, most of all women, will care? It won't matter no more than the "nice guy" claiming some guy is an asshole.

I made this mistake when I first started reading TRP, one close friend said "you are talking like those MGTOWs". I then considered, do I want to be thought of as a MGTOW? This will do more harm than good, and I started being much more careful with talking about RP topics. Good thing he was a very good friend that I have known since middle school and lived in a different state. Otherwise, he may have spread what I talked about in a way that would have had a net negative on my social/sex life.

Alternatively, you could have listened to your friend and instead of becoming more selective with what you talked to him about, started to critically examine TRP and why it makes you sound like an MGTOW.

Your scenario is not realistic and is assuming the best case scenario (and honestly, reeks of autism..nobody talks like that)

Yes, obviously it's not meant to be a transcript from a real life conversation, as I imagined you would understand from the last sentence of the TRPer. It's meant to illustrate that being open with what you're doing would give you some feedback and allow you to adjust your ideas to real life.

In reality, men are competing with each other for the best girls and it's best not to have all the men in your social circle be RP aware.

Of course, but you know just as well as I do that pretty much every guy out there loves to be the guy who gives advice about women to his buddies.

[–]AnteesAntaas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think that maybe there's a reason why talking about TRP's view of "Women's nature" will get you ostracized? Maybe it's the same reason that a lot people find it weird if you talk about scientology, conspiracy theories, or things like that?

What people find weird always changes. Talking negatively about gay people a 100 years ago would have been completely socially acceptable, now it's not. There is more than one reason why TRP's view of women's nature is considered unacceptable, one of which is people are not ready to accept it.

Do you think anyone, most of all women, will care? It won't matter no more than the "nice guy" claiming some guy is an asshole.

I'm sure a lot would care. You can easily google posts of women finding out their husband/boyfriend reads TRP, and the responses they get. A lot of people care.

Alternatively, you could have listened to your friend and instead of becoming more selective with what you talked to him about, started to critically examine TRP and why it makes you sound like an MGTOW.

It's just one person who likely doesn't even know what TRP is, confusing me as a mgtow. No need to overthink everything.

Of course, but you know just as well as I do that pretty much every guy out there loves to be the guy who gives advice about women to his buddies.

Sure, it's mostly to demonstrate their high value and previous success with women. It's not really to help his buddies (most of the time). I had a "Chad" friend way back who would always give advice to everyone about girls, once I had some advice for him he was very irritated. He was seen as the "player" and didn't want anyone giving him advice.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What people find weird always changes. Talking negatively about gay people a 100 years ago would have been completely socially acceptable, now it's not. There is more than one reason why TRP's view of women's nature is considered unacceptable, one of which is people are not ready to accept it.

But if everyone finds it weird or wrong to such an extent that you decide you want to keep it secret altogether - could it be that they might have a point? Maybe it's not just that they're "not ready" or that they "confuse"(like the MGTOW guy). Maybe there's something there?

I mean - I assume you're not as commited to TRP beliefs as say, a feminist would be to his/her beliefs.

[–]circlingldn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

university professors, directors, personal trainers

[–]Vaca_SagradaFlawless Victory1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since TRP advocates for being the top 20%, muscled and lean, not stupid (as in moderately charismatic) and making money, the question is whether a man with those traits is able to pull it.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest the possibility that the men attending a Red Pill convention have some free space in their social calendars. They may not be the ones too busy banging 20 somethings to attend a sausage party. Just sayin'.

[–]Doom_and-Gloom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Last weekend I went out with a couple of co-workers. I could write a whole FR just on that night alone, but basically because I was out with two women, having a blast and enjoying myself I was at a nightclub and got approached by a 22 year old HB8 who actually picked me up.

You know, I've already got the mods crawling up my ass for "invalidating other people's views" or whatever, but fuck it, I can't help myself.

r/thathappened

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You guys seem to be stuck on this subject. Deny it all you want, but it happens quite often. It has always happened.

Why? I don't really know, nor do I really care. But I've seen it, heck the girl I'm dating now is 8 years younger. Throughout history women were afraid that husbands would leave them for a younger woman.

It is what it is

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's bitterness. It's what happens when female hamster suddenly starts asking important questions.. and so they need to deny it. Not to others. But themselves for the most part.

[–]AutoModeratorBiased against humans[M] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Attention!

  • You can post off topic/jokes/puns as a comment to this Automoderator message.

  • For "CMV" and "Question for X" Threads: Parent comments that aren't from the target group will be removed, along with their child replies.

  • If you want to agree with OP instead of challenging their view or if the question is not targeted at you, post it as an answer to this comment.

  • OP you can choose your own flair according to these guidelines., just press Flair under your post!

Thanks for your cooperation and enjoy the discussion!

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No shit, the majority of 40+ men cannot get casual sex with 20 something hot women. Who the fuck ever even remotely implied such a thing? The majority of 20+ men can't get sex with 20 something women who are not obese, or raising children by multiple fathers. If they could, the red pill probably wouldn't exist. The whole point of the red pill is to become that rare specimen of man who draws young, hot women with something other than his bank account.

Seriously, some of these bloop posts seem like they were made by alien beings who had never encountered a human before. And some of you have the gall to call us "spergy"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No shit, the majority of 40+ men cannot get casual sex with 20 something hot women. Who the fuck ever even remotely implied such a thing?

Many RP posts contain older men saying they have multiple plates in college and hot

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bully for them. They are either 1. Successfully applying Red Pill techniques to improve their chances of banging hot 20 somethings, 2. Lying, or 3. Some combination of 1 and 2. However you slice it, the majority of 40+ men are not banging 20 something hot women. Like I said, if the majority of 40+ men were banging hot 20 something women, there would be no Red Pill. If every 40+ guy was expected to be able to land hot 20 somethings, why would anyone even brag about it on TRP? It would just be normal for 40+ guys, red pill or not.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I get the point of your post, but tbh I fail to see how this is news. The only thing that RP manages to do well, is lying.

When men realize that their shaming tactics on women no longer work, then they lie and exaggerate their dating successes. The men that claim to be regularly spinning 3 to 4 HB8 plates are the same ones that are salivating like lap dogs over fatties with rolls on NSFW subs. The moment that men are stupid enough to believe this guy’s tale about a hot Colombian 22yo who has her shit together actually approaching some 41yo balding weirdo who’s still reeling from his bitter divorce and stinks of desperation, is the moment that RP loses what little dignity it had left. It’s like the story about the Emperor’s New Clothes; everyone inherently knows that the dude is butt naked, but they’re so deep in their delusions and in the brainwashing, that they fear being the ones to point out the obvious. Kinda hard to break out of that cozy RP beehive mentality.

[–]Swallow_bird_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

BINGO

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You exaggerate, but I kind of agree with you on this one.

The 41 year old balding divorced weirdo isn't dating the hot 22 year old Colombian. But he probably is dating and getting some sex with a 39 year old divorced mother of two who's 25 pounds overweight and probably drinks too much. He is probably getting some sex with a 42 year old mother of 3 almost-grown kids who is overworked and is overjoyed to be getting some attention. He is probably getting some sex from a 45 year old former hottie who's fresh off a 23 year marriage, who is getting back into the dating game, and who's in therapy and on antidepressant meds.

Hot 22 year olds? Probably not. But divorced women with baggage between ages 35 and 50? Much more likely, and much more easily.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand all the buzz above the Automod because there is not much you can challenge in that view:

The overwhelming majority of 40+ men cannot get casual sex with 20 something hot women.

That the overwhelming majority of 20 something guys cannot get casual sex with 20 something hot women is irrelevant. Similarly, the fact that the top 1% of members of a sub dedicated to dedicated to having casual sex with 20 something hot women might be doing it only proves the point.

Still, a few or a few hundred posts claiming that the particular OP is 40+ and banging multiple women is not to suggest that a majority of 40+ men could. Setting aside the fact that your typical guy does not have the drive or discipline to have casual sex with hot young girls, even if all of them did, "a majority" wouldn't get to that level for the mere fact that they would be tripping over each other (as well as all the 20 and 30 something guys) in chasing the limited supply of hot, younger women.

However, some guys will put a lot of time and effort into following TRP and many of those will be successful to some extent.

Again, doing the numbers, if 10% of 10% of 10% of TRP members are 40+ and chasing tail like a maniac and doing it right, then you still have hundreds of guys who are doing it and their posts are bound to show up as "field reports".

[–]newName543456went volcel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean that balding, overweight slobs who have no passions in their lives and work 9-5s they barely tolerate, struggle with attracting women?

News at 11, truly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Jesus! Just how butthurt are your bloops about the wall? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a bloop lol, and I do believe in the wall.

It's just more this part of TRP is the most fishy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alan Roger Currie (the only black guy in the pictures) is hilarious. He spent hours upon hours getting trolled at the PUAHate forums and ended up creating mulitple accounts to defend himself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't challenge the specific view here.

What I can say is that TRP men who are at age 40+ have an easier time having casual sex with post Wall women, with divorced baggage-laden women age 30 and up, and with some women roughly their own ages or a little older who still have some physical attractiveness left. At least in my geographical area, there are legions of divorced women between ages 35 and 50 who are attractive enough to date, and for a man age 40 and up with some status and who's reasonably attractive, he will have an easier time dating and fucking these women than he would have had when they were both 20 years younger. There are several reasons for this:

The men are more attractive and have more experience with women. TRP men of this vintage know a lot more about women and human nature than they did pre-TRP.

The women have learned, usually the hard way, that commitment from Chad isn't coming. Or, they married Chad or a Chad facsimile, and got burned. The women have also learned, also usually the hard way, how to treat most men better. The women are also content, at least at first, with dating and not remarrying. There is also a sizable contingent of women who are doing Alpha Fucks, Round 2: Electric Boogaloo. So they are either out for some casual sex if the man and time and circumstances are right; or they are cougaring it up.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

To be honest I don’t know why this thread isn’t empty apart from under automod.

How can you challenge the view that “most” men over 40 can’t get casual sex with 20 yo “hot” women.

That should be basically axiomatically true.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, some people are in denial

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8cs1m4/cmv_the_overwhelming_majority_of_40_men_cannot/dxhoi1f/

thinks the top 1% of height is 6 feet lol. And the top 1% of income is $100k a year......

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here is a post containing a flickr account of photo from the recent RP convention in florida.

But, where are the women? I think 'Socrates' ate them ...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This reminds about a story I heard about two campers encountering a bear.

Yeah, I think it's straightforward to be above the majority of average men and pick up 20 something hot women as a 40 year old. I agree that a man would likely fall under at least 2 of the demographics you've listed.

[–][deleted]  (4 children) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Buddy, your literally pedaling the burden of proof fallacy :

Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Your using the same logic feminists use to justify simply believing women were raped or assaulted purely because they claim it.

You need some sort of reasonability, logic or evidence to prove what your saying.

if we look at this from TRP perspective, there is no reason or logic given of why this HB8 is choosing a recently divorced 41 year old over the chad in the club.

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why? Because a guy claiming that he's fucking multiple girls in his 20s

Uh are you even keeping track here? He is average man in his 40's claiming he is having sex with hot girls in their early 20's.

I got a question for you. If an average body + height guy said to you he was being a super nice guy to women, buying them TONS of gifts, calling them up regularly, asking how do they feel, being an emotional pillow for them to talk about their daily Problems, yet this guy was fucking all of them casually, would you also be claiming "don't know him so can't make a judgement ?"

[–]1UPZ_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont think the women in the man's story is as hot as he describes them. I believe he was with women, and he may have been approached by a 20 something year old woman... but they'd be a couple of points less than what he described them. This is normal for guys to do.

He's on a high and exaggerating to emphasize how happy he got laid.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Cannot get means what exactly? Cannot ever, even infrequently with much effort? Because with enough effort, a simple majority can manage at least an occasional hook up with young and hot. At least relatively hot, meaning significantly hotter than the guy.

Particularly, there is a small number of hot young things that will fuck triple digit numbers of guys. You can be one of those guys! It's not that hard. I'm friends with a few of them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

At least relatively hot, meaning significantly hotter than the guy.

A 22 year old columbian college girl HB8 is astronomically hotter than some 41 year old who just got divorced. That's the issue here.

A relatively hot woman for a 41 year old is more like a 27 or 28 year old who is a hipster or into yoga.

Particularly, there is a small number of hot young things that will fuck triple digit numbers of guys. You can be one of those guys! It's not that hard. I'm friends with a few of them.

You have the correlation backwards. I am talking a 40+ year old guy isn't going to be regularly or consistently getting casual sex with hot young 20 or so year olds.

[–]couldbemage2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is having that late twenties yoga girl really that bad?

And my question was about what counts as regular. One or two new ones per year seems like it should be enough. (And your not taking the old ones out of rotation)

Isn't a handful of women spread between 22 and 35 good enough? Over and over on this sub people seem to have this all or nothing attitude that I just don't get.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is having that late twenties yoga girl really that bad?

Not at all.

And my question was about what counts as regular. One or two new ones per year seems like it should be enough.

Yes but that's not what's suggested in the story i linked or similar one's of 40+ guys. They are claiming they are plating 3-5 women at a time and often drop one and pick up a new one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man lands on moon

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are below average to average men for their age.

YET they hit it off with women way better than chads it seems. Attractiveness never was as important for a man to a woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd disagree, because you made it limited.

A majority of men cannot get casual sex, period. Age just makes the gap more noticable.

[–]AntiAbleism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only top tier men can.

[–]Bedtimeshine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeh... your right. The hotness is over played. Just recently a guy posted on one of the red pill subs talking about flirting with his wifes coworker, who is an “HB10.” Yeh right... there isnt an HB10 on this planet with a full time job. Like... Sophia Resing does not share a fucking cubicle with your wife. Stop fronting.

[–]throwaway201234440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

RPer here, agreed. Many of the things RP teaches is hyperbole as an understatement, however, there is a method to the madness.

Similar to how some public speaking groups advocate you picture your audience naked in order to bolster your own confidence speaking in front of them, RP also advocates a lot of exaggerated claims with a similar purpose.

They say women are to be treated as children, have "hamsters" that rationalize away poor behavior, and AWALT, all women cheat. They say all men have to do is lift, and a 40+ year old can start rampaging around college campuses hooking up with 20+ year olds as he pleases.

These are obvious exaggerated claims. I know plenty of very rational women. I know no 40 year old's personally who've were labeled anything other than a creep for going after 20+ year olds.

The purpose of these claims however, is to bolster self-confidence, in the same sense that it would be should you tell a person with a public speaking deficiency that his/her audience is naked. It has to do with the underlying precieved power dynamic, which when tilted in the mans favor, promotes confidence. And unfortunately, confidence is a very prominent metric that's used to evaluate the worth of a man, amongst both men and women.

All this being said, there's also definitely something to say for people taking these saying too far.

[–][deleted]  (8 children) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Buddy,

Let's break this down:

has the money a 40 year old with a decent career can expect

Most people in the US are NOT wealthy, most 40 year old men don't have careers earning in the mid 6 figures or $250k+.

he's fit, tall, decent looking

Please explain why all the men at TRP convention, which photos I linked are either fat, have a double chinned, not in shape, and have grey hair ?

The guy's girlfriend in the photo I linked is an older overweight woman. If you think the story I linked is true why doesn't the guy in this convention have a hot 22 year old college girlfriend ?

The average life time partner count for men, across many studies , is any from 5, 7, or 10. Having sex with multiple women in a day or in a week that are all 8-9 and young would put you in the stratosphere of men. I mean JFK and Leonardo DiCaprio have these kind of sex lives.

Basically what your saying is that if a man studies computer science and studies hard, he can become a mark zuckerberg.

[–][deleted]  (6 children) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Its one guy. There are a few stories like this.

But you just got one saying there's nothing incredible about his story?:

There's nothing particularly incredible about his story,

I mean I think your not even thinking clearly here. Having sex with a new girl a week puts you at about 50-60 girls a year. That is an astronomical amount.

userbase of tens of thousands there is nothing surprising unlikely that some of them are 40 years old, 6' and make six figures.

Being 6' in the United States is not even in the top 20% amongst men under 40 You need to be at minimum 6'4" to be in the top 1%.

Earning $100k wouldn't put you in the top 10% of income, you need $465k a year to be in the top 1% of income Additionally, if you live in a high cost of living state such as California, $100k is average or very close to average, probably around the 70 percentile.

So being six feet and making six figures is no big deal lol.

You've obviously never seen men like this IRL or you would not be so surprised by these stories. You seem to think only movie stars have this kind of lifestyle.

No, college athletes count here. Those guys on the basketball team. A high up guy in a top frat on campus. That counts as "some form of celebrity"

You only need to be top 1-3%. That's not completely out of reach for many men.

It most certainly is. Look at my proof I posted. You have a fantasy idea of what the 1% really is.

There are guys you met who have triple digit n-counts. You live in a world where some of the guys around you are those "stratospheric" chads.

Nobody is denying this, I mentioned in my OP these men exists, it's just basically no men can become them without extraordinary circumstances.

[–][deleted]  (4 children) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–]CommonMisspellingBot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, lost_jellyfish, just a quick heads-up:
seperate is actually spelled separate. You can remember it by -par- in the middle.
Have a nice day!

The parent commenter can reply with 'delete' to delete this comment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The best out of them is the top 1%. Not some guy living in New York making half a million a year, with a Calvin Klein modelling contract and 6'4 height.

I just quoted you stats that show the top 1% of height is 6'4" and the top 1% of income is $500,000 a year...........

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2010/compendia/statab/130ed/tables/11s0205.pdf

https://www.investopedia.com/news/how-much-income-puts-you-top-1-5-10/

How much more in denial can you be?

Just look around you ffs. Pick out 100 men at random and work out who the most attractive 5 or so are. That's the top 5%. The best out of them is the top 1%

That's a mathematical fallacy

The top 1% you see IS NOT the top 1% of everyone

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7410/13103147033_7d747c7167_b.jpg

These are more or less what most guys look like in the college i went to and in my department (business)

Actually try to understand random sampling and expected value before you make yourself look like a fool.

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

40, married, bald by choice, dad bod (probably a good 20kgs overweight), not rich.. every time I play (dj) i have the opportunity to bang a 20-something.

Now I am not "most men over 40" but I certainly fly in the face of your idea that i have to be an athlete, actor, celeb or wealthy..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

40, married, bald by choice, dad bod (probably a good 20kgs overweight), not rich.. every time I play (dj) i have the opportunity to bang a 20-something.

What does opportunity mean here ?

[–]Beegoop1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, like all places with DJs, there are at least a good handful of women wanting to fuck the DJ.

Literally just horny 20 somethings, not really hard to imagine. Shit, even obese bouncers at bars get opportunities.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone working in a club that isn't completely hideous can get laid fairly easily. So if you need to add "nightclub workers" to the list what other exceptions are going to need to be included for the OPs claim to remain true? Firefighters, cops, ambos, tradesmen all have a hook that some women just have to bite should we add them to the list of actors, celebs and wealthy people??

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If I wanted to get laid by a 20-something I could, I just have to say "yes".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok, how large are he clubs you dj at?

Normally when I go to night clubs they feature a name or picture of the Dj at one of their events. Not a celebrity but it's somewhat of a local celebrity, especially if a lot of clubs know you.

But the man in the story doesn't seem to have a high social status job.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1000 likes on facey, play in 3 towns, total population maybe 200k. For all intents and purposes I am a nobody.

[–]funny_lyfeMostly rational0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not a 40 year old. But banging a 20 something vs banging a hot 20 something- completely different. The hot 20 something usually have a hoard of beta orbitors, alpha friends and other hot girl friends that will make fun of her if she dates a 40 year old.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing was said in the OP about dating.... jez even if offered I wouldn't date the hottest 20-something in the world, there'd be 2/5ths of fuck all in common.

As for the inference that only a 3/10 would go for a 40 yr old dude, I'll just say that I've been lucky enough to have been spoiled in my sex life and have grown standards that do not match my looks at all.

[–]DareyFathom-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe not. But the objective should be to improve yourself to the point that attractive 20 something year old women are attracted to you.

[–]AnteesAntaas-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a picture of the guy who's post you quoted? Your argument seems to be linking unattractive 40 year olds and questioning a different 40 year old's story?

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

[deleted]

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cope

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2024. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter