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Parkland shooter, who killed 17 people, receives hundreds of love letters from girls across the nation (self.PurplePillDebate)

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/200-love-letters-fan-mail-florida-shooting-suspect/story?id=54102468

“These letters are from regular teenage girls from across the nation," Finkelstein said. “I’ve been here for 40 years and we’ve never received letters like this.

So, it turns out, Nikolas Cruz the 19 year old who shot and killed 17 people at a Parkland Florida highschool, is receiving hundreds of love letters, and even some suggestive photos, from teenage girls around the country.

So PPD, why would a serial killer and mass murderer get so much adoration from women? I mean, whats going on here? Thoughts?

Also, state your pill.


[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic37 points38 points  (54 children) | Copy Link

Non-Red Pill. If a guy seems good looking to a woman, and he seems troubled in some kind of violent way, some women have a fantasy that they can reform him. I don't think that this is a feeling that a majority of women have, though. Usually the more troubled a woman is herself, the more she is drawn to troubled men.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

So Snape basically.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic4 points5 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

I guess. Does he have a lot of fangirls? I'm not into Harry Potter fandom although I've read all of the books except Cursed Child.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of confused gals wanted Snape

[–]Virtue_Signaler 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, but he had a lot of fangirls during the 80's too, when his character was slapping women around on Broadway.

Lindsay Duncan, his co-star in the RSC’s production of Les Liaisons Dangereuses, noted that audiences would leave the theatre wanting to have sex, “preferably with Alan Rickman”. His bulging postbag of letters from aroused female fans included one that said, “I am a feminist, so I don’t understand how you can have this effect on me”.

Source: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/actor-made-villainy-irresistible/news-story/4445d4409293272b2ca0433dd506c6c1

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Lol “I’m a feminist...”

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community11 points12 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I know two feminists in their early 20s who gush about old actors from back in the day and being slapped by them when they are hysterical.

slap!

'Get a hold of yourself, woman!'

wet panties

They don't understand why they like the thought but no ideology can overwrite what gets you off. It's like trying to pray the gay away.

Feminism just makes it easier for women to care less and be as selfish as they like while portraying themselves as virtuous victims.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I dated a feminist when I worked weddings in college who said “you act like how I think a man shouldn’t act...” Lol these girls are crazy.

I know the feminists her insist you can be submissive while being feminist, but the girls I knew struggled immensely with it.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

They deceive themselves into thinking that them being in charge is a turn on or that they could manage a relationship with progressive feninist men. Feminist men don't do it for feminist women because women like masculinity no matter how much they complain about it

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It’s weird. The feminists here insist you can still be a feminist while submissive and desiring of a dominant man, but I swear the feminists I’ve met immensely struggle with this apparent contradiction.

[–]Freethetreees2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

That's sad for them. I've never struggled with being a sexually submissive feminist. Feminism is about giving women the freedom and choice to live their lives how they choose, enjoying being sexually dominated in no way goes against that.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hypergamy doesn't care for social constructs and intellectual dishonesty

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lmao. Reminds me of this French girl I knew who spent all her time posting feminist stuff on social media and felt guilty about how much she loved to be dominated sexually. She literally said the same kind of thing to me, about how she shouldn't enjoy it so much but she just melts when I call her a good girl and will do anything to hear it.

Wonder what she's up to these days? 🤔

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sex-positive feminism.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She herself is the one who felt bad about it though.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are strains of sex positive feminism that view BDSM as empowering.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bully for them. I'm just saying the girl I'm talking about isn't in this group.

[–]randomcarrotaf6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Snape has both a lot of fans who love him as a character (me fe, imo he was extremely well written although he is a fucking asshole 99% of the time) but he has a lot of fangirls as well. That can be said about nearly every character in HP though - ok maybe not dumbbitch umbridge... I dont know how comparable fiction is to reality here. The "anti hero" is a huge fictional concept yes, but mostly because people like the thought of it but dont want it in RL.

[–]xtfftc3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Snape is, in my opinion, outright the best written character in the book.

[–]JagpantherRed Pill Man5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reforming him is the post hoc rationalization that a woman's hamster engages in at warp 9 as a woman's own sexuality is as foreign to herself as it is to, well, the other half of the population. Women desire a dominate man who can and will protect her and any cute little thug babies she has. What greater social proof of said ability can demonstrate such sexually stimulating fitness than having actually killed a bunch of people?

Do keep in mind that for the vast majority of our evolution the man who kills everyone else then takes the women, who have to live with him or die. The women who had a sick or weak hamster were all killed off a long time ago by the very men modern women now soak their panties over.

[–]bonersNlaughs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No need to mention non-red pill before a commenting a blue pill opinion. Non-blue pill. If a woman is of low intelligence, but highly privileged amongst the most comfortable group to ever exist, then they're ignorance leads them to seek the nut of the no nonsense, survivalist type of male for reproduction and why not with normans manning up.

[–]idhavetochargehumanist, devils advocate7 points8 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Its not surprising at all that there are mentally disturbed people that would send letters.

A hundred or even a thousand people in this nation of 325,000,000 is NOT a relavant enough number to quote as AWALT.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community22 points23 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

A handful of male shooters is enough to prove toxic masculinity, though. A handful of rapists is enough to overhaul university campus protocol, though. If only they could use the mentally disturbed defence.

[–]CatchPhraze3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

To be fair with the campus rapists, that's a much denser population portion.

But as for OP Hybristophilia effects both genders for a great number of reasons. I'm glad it's not me.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It is dense but women at university campuses are safer than the general public and not because of campus tribunals that expel students on an allegation alone.

Hybristophilia is a problem, sure. But my point was that it's extremely common for feminists to cry toxic masculinity and not mental disorder or illness when men do something violent. They don't get to use that defence.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting tidbit from the hybristophilia Wiki article:

From a perspective focusing on male serial killers attracting female partners, Leon F. Seltzer (psychologist), has offered explanations based on evolutionary psychology. Serial killers, in his view, are cases of alpha males that tend to attract women. This is because such males were good at protecting women and their offspring in our evolutionary history. Women nowadays may consciously realize that it is unwise to date a serial killer, but they are nevertheless attracted to them, as he notes "as a therapist I've encountered many women who bemoaned their vulnerability toward dominant men who, consciously, they recognized were all wrong for them". As evidence of women's fantasy preference for dominant men, he refers to the book A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the World's Largest Experiment Reveals about Human Desire by Ogi Ogas and Sai Gaddam. Seltzer discusses Ogas and Gaddam's argument that this fantasy is the dominant plot of most erotic/romantic books and movies written for women but the fantasy always holds that this male dominance is conditional, "it doesn't really represent the man's innermost reality".

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But my point was that it's extremely common for feminists to cry toxic masculinity and not mental disorder or illness when men do something violent. They don't get to use that defence.

That's not what that article was saying though.

They are saying that toxic masculinity is preventing men with mental illnesses from seeking help. They aren't saying that toxic masculinity forces men to shoot up people, they are saying that shaming men for needing help prevents them from seeking help.

"We socialize healthy, normal boys to 'stand on their own two feet' for fear that otherwise they won't be real boys ... They're taught not to tell anyone when they feel pain, because they should be stoic, and they certainly shouldn't cry."

Also troubling, according to McLaughlin, is the fact that mental illness is being used as a main reason for these events.

"The vast majority of people in this country who suffer from mental illness just suffer. They need help and support," she tells Refinery29.

It's not mental illness that's the problem. The problem is that toxic masculinity is preventing men from getting mental health if they suffer from mental illness.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not how feminists portray it at all. They have no sympathy for mass shooters considering the theory is that men are victims of toxic masculinity and thus need help. There were no feminists saying 'damn, that poor, Elliott Roger. That boy needed help and we failed him.' They were more concerned with pointing out that these guys were entitled assholes:

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a18207600/mass-shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/

In some cases they claimed there was little or no connection to mental illness, though I cannot call someone mentally healthy if they want to shoot a bunch of people in public. Still, it didn't prevent them from taking action elsewhere. Toxic masculinity is at it again but he cannot use that as a defence and claim he was a victim of a system of oppression.

A bigger problem with toxic masculinity is that all those single moms should have raised better boys (no toxic male influence, right?) Yet so many end up in prison or suffering developmental problems. The theory just doesn't work the way feminists want it to nor do they actually care about it until women are affected negatively. It's great when she can cash in from dating a drug lord, but when the house gets shot up then she is a victim.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uncivil comment.

So being a new mod Allows you to insult and be uncivil to commenters with impunity?

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uncivil comment.

I'll word it nicer.

So being a new mod Allows you to insult and be uncivil to commenters with impunity?

I just couldn't think of a nicer way to tell him that he completely missed the point by getting triggered right away.

But if any other mod has a problem with it they can remove my comments and I still can get banned if they decide that I'm not a good mod.

[–]idhavetochargehumanist, devils advocate2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It isnt a 'Handfull' of male shooters. An overwhelming amount of homicides are commited by men. Men kill men more often, but over half of all women killed are killed by an acquaintance. Either a previous or current partner. Men kill more men, men kill more women, than women kill both men and women. By an HUGE majority.

I see men in rp claim women do not care about violence against men. But when these violent crimes are commited by men, how are we supposed to save you from yourselves? Especially when I repeatedly see rp talk about harming women like its a-okay to be violent. Its a serious case of congnitive dissociation. ' Females don't care about men getting killed' 'Women should be beaten rped and killed for disagreeing'

I won't even get into a 'handfull'of rapists. There are studies that show many of the 'campus' college rapists do not even see what they do as rape. Whether it is outright forcefull or against an unconscious person, they dont believe what they did was rape or wrong. You absolutely cannot deny that women all over have been scared to even report rape because they get told they 'deserve it' for wearing clothes, being in places and talking to men. Why would the rapist think they did something wrong when even now we have judges asking women if they crossed their legs in an attempt to prevent getting raped? Even if the judge got disciplined WHY THE FUCK WAS HE ASKING. Crossing your legs does not prevent penetration from happening. Fighting back is damn near impossible. This type of shit comes from people who believe women deserve it, dont understand how much stronger men are in general, and dont understand how sex physically works, or a combination of all

This shit is truly ridiculous. Rp will do anything to justify their desire to both treat women like shit and pretend they have the moral upper hand to do so.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men kill more men, men kill more women, than women kill both men and women. By an HUGE majority.

And women kill more unborn children than men can even begin to compete with.

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-worldwide

During 2010–2014, an estimated 56 million induced abortions occurred each year worldwide. This number represents an increase from 50 million annually during 1990–1994, mainly because of population growth. 

The global homicide rate has us at about 380 000

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/07/global-homicide-rate-rises-first-time-decade-venezuela-jamaica

There is also the fact that the bulk of kids killed by one parent are killed by their moms, and 60% of the victims are boys:

http://www.breakingthescience.org/SimplifiedDataFromDHHS.php

So from this we should declare that women are terrible parents and shouldn't get custody? Should we treat women worse when they have children or discriminate against them? If you've got a problem with AWALT, you have to have a problem with other sweeping statements (toxic masculinity, the Duluth model, campus rape tribunals even patriarchy theory in the west) or you just accept that AWALT is, as RP has said, a heuristic to help men protect themselves from the negative aspects of female nature.

I see men in rp claim women do not care about violence against men. But when these violent crimes are commited by men, how are we supposed to save you from yourselves?

No one's asking you to save men from themselves, but women should stop claiming they are the biggest victims when literally thousands declared their undying love to a killer. In many instances there were red flags but they still get involved with dangerous or shitty men. Women are not the primary victims of violence. It sucks, but you'd think there'd be a little consideration, but there is none. If women want men to care about their issues (feminists love to conflate the two, saying men's issues will be solved as women's are solved, which is not true) then women have to care about men's too. Thus far, men have been the ones more willing to change, but even criticism of women and feminism gets a target painted on your back.

I won't even get into a 'handfull'of rapists. There are studies that show many of the 'campus' college rapists do not even see what they do as rape.

Just because it feels like rape doesn't make it rape. The problem with this is that rape is the legal definition of the act.

https://newrepublic.com/article/119364/cdcs-report-one-five-women-raped-other-statistics-disagree

In other words, expanding the definition doesn't get to the core of the problem and actually makes it seem worse than what it is. According to the law, in the US, rape is actually declining. Whether the campus dude considers it rape or not doesn't matter. The law defines it a certain way. I could call you a murderer for aborting a baby and claim that you don't even know that what you're doing is murder but that doesn't matter. You can kill as many unborn children as you like if the law says so.

You absolutely cannot deny that women all over have been scared to even report rape because they get told they 'deserve it' for wearing clothes, being in places and talking to men.

This is like saying someone who gets beaten and robbed is too scared to report it because they left the door unlocked and people said they deserved it. If you'rw trying to say women don't report rape, I will tell you what you told me 'how are we supposed to save you from yourselves?'. No one can force someone to report a rape. We also cannot speculate on something that was not reported. If it goes unreported, at best it's speculation. We can only deal with what's reported and hope women stand up and speak out. Which brings me to my next point...

Fighting back is damn near impossible.

Bullshit:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/teaching-women-to-fight-back-an-effective-way-to-reduce-sexual-assaults-study/article36702176/

https://qz.com/425030/teaching-women-to-fight-today-could-stop-rapes-tomorrow/

Quote:

The there’s the skepticism. Males are stronger than females, the thinking goes, so concentrating on resistance is a futile endeavor. But there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. A 2005 report commissioned by the National Institute of Justice, The Impact of Victim Self-Protections on Rape, found that personal safety education skills reduce the risk of rape by more than 80 percent (compared with non-resistance) and that self-defense did not significantly increase the risk of serious injury to the defender.

Women fighting back reduces the chances of a rape happening and she isn't more likely to suffer serious injuries if she does fight back. This is serious misinformation on your part.

Rp will do anything to justify their desire to both treat women like shit and pretend they have the moral upper hand to do so.

This is more like women don't like it when men are successful hypocrites at their expense, but when women are at men's expense, it's okay. They will continue to exploit women as long as women allow them. Don't want RP to work? Stop fucking shitty guys, vet properly and think about the value you can bring to a good quality man. RP wouldn't work if women actually did a little introspection and considered that they are also responsible for attracting, dating and fucking men who don't care about them.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I won't even get into a 'handfull'of rapists. There are studies that show many of the 'campus' college rapists do not even see what they do as rape.

Just because it feels like rape doesn't make it rape. The problem with this is that rape is the legal definition of the act.

That's about convicted rapists. Convicted campus rapists do not even see what they did as rape, even if how they themselves describe it is in line with the legal definition of rape.

This is also true for rapists in general and not just those on campuses. It doesn't even matter if they are child molesters or not, the vast majority of guys who end in jail for non-consensual sex don't think that they did anything wrong.

Usually they are like "It's her fault for teasing me" (it doesn't even matter if she's an passed out drunk adult woman or a three year old child, rapists of all kind will use that defense. As if her teasing him makes it okay for him to rape her), she didn't resist hard enough, she sent out mixed signals by saying no to sex but not leaving immediately, it wasn't as painful and horrible as she says and she should be glad that she got some good cock, etc

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/health/men-rape-sexual-assault.html

Most subjects in these studies freely acknowledge nonconsensual sex — but that does not mean they consider it real rape. Researchers encounter this contradiction again and again.

Asked “if they had penetrated against their consent,” said Dr. Koss, the subject will say yes. Asked if he did “something like rape,” the answer is almost always no.

Studies of incarcerated rapists — even men who admit to keeping sex slaves in conflict zones — find a similar disconnect.

Indeed, experts note one last trait shared by men who have raped: they do not believe they are the problem.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/the-sexist/blog/13118502/rapists-who-dont-think-theyre-rapists

You know the guy who "accidentally" rapes women? The acquaintance who "misreads" the situation and "goes too far"? The longtime friend who genuinely thought you had consented, and is shocked when you tell him that, no, it was rape? Well, we're not going to take that guy's bullshit anymore. Thomas MacAulay Millar over at the Yes Means Yes! blog has crunched the numbers on "undetected" acquaintance rapists to figure out who this "accidental rapist" actually is.

If a survey asks men, for example, if they ever “had sexual intercourse with someone, even though they did not want to, because they were too intoxicated (on alcohol or drugs) to resist your sexual advances,” some of them will say yes, as long as the questions don’t use the “R” word.

Of the 120 rapists in the sample, 44 reported only one assault. The remaining 76 were repeat offenders. These 76 men, 63% of the rapists, committed 439 rapes or attempted rapes, an average of 5.8 each (median of 3, so there were some super-repeat offenders in this group). Just 4% of the men surveyed committed over 400 attempted or completed rapes.

What does this mean about our "accidental" rapists?

a) The vast majority of acquaintance rapes are committed by the same people;

b) These people don't see themselves as "rapists";

c) They are, however, able recognize that they regularly threat, force, and intoxicate women in order to have sex with them.

Oops! There's no "accident" here—-these guys just deny, evade punishment, and repeat.

So, what do we do to stop these guys? Well, here's a start: Let's call them rapists. It's not just rapists who fail to recognize these behaviors - threatening, forcing, incapacitating- as "real" rape. We all have to stop making excuses for calling a rapist a rapist and doubting, minimizing, or lashing out against the people who do use that word.

Cognitive Distortions of Child Molesters on Probation or Parole in Japan

As mentioned above, Abel et al. (1989) stated that cognitive distortions are used by sexual offenders to rationalize their offenses against children. Murphy (1990) insisted that cognitive distortions in sexual offenders function to deny, minimize, justify and rationalize their offending behavior.

Cognitive distortions and denial in sex offenders is a well researched topic.

Denial, minimization and rationalizations are the tools they use to justify their actions and to put the blame on the victim. And it doesn't even matter if they are a campus rapists, child molesters or have a bunch of sex slaves, this is true for sex offenders of all kinds.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but those are convicted rapists. Expanding the definition doesn't help. We cannot speculate on rapes that may or may not have happened because you could come up with any number of 'unreported' rapes. This doesn't justify expelling someone on an allegation alone. If a minority of the female population kills their kids, should a mom lose them on an allegation alone or have her reputation destroyed without evidence? Is it okay to discrininate against all women based on what a small percentage have done? If so, why can RP not have awalt as a rule considering men get far worse discrimination (amalt gets men treated like rape suspects). Or do exceptiond only exist for women because men are a monolith but women are not?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are studies that show many of the 'campus' college rapists do not even see what they do as rape. Whether it is outright forcefull or against an unconscious person, they dont believe what they did was rape or wrong.

There are studies showing there are men saying its not rape when you describe it one way but they will say its rape when described another.

Why would the rapist think they did something wrong when even now we have judges asking women if they crossed their legs in an attempt to prevent getting raped?

Because that's totally common right?

[–]shoup88Report me bitch0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

. A handful of rapists is enough to overhaul university campus protocol, though.

This is a fairly useless comparison. Of course you would have different thresholds for preventing a crime like rape vs preventing a completely legal and relatively harmless act like writing a letter. Why do you think they should be treated similarly?

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The perception of men's sexuality is that it is far more dangerous. She gets pumped and dumped, cries rape and he gets expelled. This is injustice not rape prevention. Thousands of women right to a convicted killer and no one has a problem with it? It's okay to draw conclusions based on what a minority of men do, but not what women do?

[–]shoup88Report me bitch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you think raping someone is on par with writing someone a letter? I don’t see the connection. Why would you use the same criteria when determining what to do about them?

I get your point about kangaroo courts. I also think they’re a sham. I don’t understand that relevance here though. What do you want people to do about the letter writers?

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFM3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The number of girls who went ahead with sending the letters are easily dwarfed by the number who had similar thoughts but didn't actually go through with it.

I also doubt they are mentally disturbed. This is normal female behaviour - although on the far end of the scale.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Redpills don’t care about women, they care about winning. This naturally attracts woman and obviously pulling in chicks without care bring in the most chicks rather than not doing so.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with what you're saying but disagree on the quantity . I think most girls think this way, troubled or not ( though the troubled are much more likely) and would rather have someone this incriminating frankly in attempts to 'save' him rather than have someone who doesn't need 'saving' at all. I think / hoping it's more of a cultural thing where these girls are turning the other cheek/ sympathizing with the shooter because he is troubled . But wanting to have a relationship with him and sending affectionate responses is just ridiculous . The dude won't be back into society for decades if that. IMO it's just a big virtue signalling ruse. I guarantee most of the girls who supposedly sent these 'love' letters wouldn't accept $10000 just to even go on a date with this guy out of sheer fear.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most girls think this way, troubled or not ( though the troubled are much more likely) and would rather have someone this incriminating frankly in attempts to 'save' him rather than have someone who doesn't need 'saving' at all.

I don't think that every woman wants a dramatic bad boy and wants to have a lot of drama in their relationship, but I agree that many do. I think it has a lot to do with personality type and mental health level how much of a bad boy that individual women are attracted to. Throughout my life, though, my social circle has consisted of only women who are attracted to normal, confident guys rather than bad boys, so I refuse to believe that all women are attracted to bad boys.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh, interesting.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think it's best to start this by listening to what a woman who decided to marry a killer said

Martinez, who believes Bolin is not a killer, once stated that when she met him, he left her “breathless.” She sensed his loneliness and isolation. She told a reporter, “It affected me because I felt the same way.” She decided to marry him, she said, to raise awareness of the injustice of his plight.

There are a few women out there who, for various reasons are attracted to serial killers.

Some believe they can change a man as cruel and powerful as a serial killer, others see the little boy that the killer once was and seek to nurture him, a few hope to share in the media spotlight or get a book or movie deal.

For some it's the "perfect" boyfriend. There's no laundry and cooking to do, but she knows that he's constantly thinking about her.

Some are just crazy themselves and others are insecure, lonely, and/or avoidant women.

But most importantly, they had a troubled past.

“Without exception, the women I interviewed for my book had all been involved in early abusive relationships,” Isenberg said. “Their families, first boyfriends, husbands or someone else had abused them either sexually, physically, emotionally.”

According to Isenberg, getting involved with an imprisoned criminal gives the women some semblance of power. 

“It’s a chance to be in control, often for the first time in their lives,” Isenberg told HuffPost. “They make the decisions, they are the ones with the freedom to come and go.”

It may seem counterintuitive, but “becoming involved with a violent convicted murderer feels safe for a woman who’s had an abusive past,” the writer said. “He’s behind bars; she’s not.”

[–]Virtue_Signaler 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Is there any way that many women are just attracted to power and masculinity, which often manifests itself in violence and aggression? Or are women not attracted to men who exhibit aggressive behavior?

It seems to me that these women are just on the extreme end of the spectrum, possibly due to mental illness or childhood trauma.

If they wanted a "perfect boyfriend" who they don't have to commit to, why not pursue nonviolent criminals who are doing long bids?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Is there any way that many women are just attracted to power and masculinity, which often manifests itself in violence and aggression?

yup

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As a female™, any violence that I see from a man immediately renders me dry as fuck. I nope outta that shit immediately.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Right

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup, it is right! Because you don't know shit about me, no matter how much you want to make women look bad!

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there any way that many women are just attracted to power and masculinity, which often manifests itself in violence and aggression? Or are women not attracted to men who exhibit aggressive behavior?

Well the link where I copied the first quote from also gave this explanation

Most people think such relationships defy common sense, but some theorists have hypothesized a biological impetus that operates apart from logic. Primate research finds that females prefer the larger, louder, more aggressive males who show clear markers of their maleness. In humans, then, certain women might sense in an aggressive male a larger-than-life companion who can deliver more than an ordinary man could. Through him, she subconsciously perceives, she gains status and protection.

It seems to me that these women are just on the extreme end of the spectrum, possibly due to mental illness or childhood trauma.

The problem here is that this spectrum only exists for women who feel unsafe in their environment.

http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(10)00098-X/fulltext

we found evidence consistent with this perspective, such that women's fear of crime predicted her preference for long-term mates who are aggressively dominant and physically formidable.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/attraction-evolved/201602/fear-crime-and-the-allure-bad-boys

Previous research suggests that women who grow up in high-crime neighborhoods find dominant men more alluring. Although a woman’s fear of crime and the actual likelihood of her being victimised are related, it is subjective fear of crime that best explains women’s attraction to beefcakes. If a woman thinks she is at risk, she will prefer a powerful man.

The researchers had expected that, if macho men are preferred because they make good bodyguards, women who are especially freaked out by standing in crime hotspots rather than safer areas of town should be more strongly attracted to dominant men. But women who were attracted to this type of man were more fearful generally, regardless of their location.

It's a trade off they make when they feel like they need a body guard.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ok makes sense, i agree with this.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They’re doing the lord’s work. /s

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These women are a small minority.

Or are they? Every time something like this happens, whether it's Cruz, or the Boston bombers, there are hundreds of women that come out of the woodwork fawning over them - and those are just the ones that send letters to the perpetrator.

I mean, I get the impulse many of our commenters here have to not generalize, but don't let your egalitarian thinking get in the way of your brain's pattern recognition. You don't see women getting this kind of attention when they commit these crimes, though you would be hard pressed to find a woman who has committed an equivalent crime, so this pattern recognition game cuts both ways.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is this still a surprise to anyone?

The Boston bomber also had fangirls, in fact those fangirls not only wrote to him but also wrote fanfic about him on Tumblr. There are entire Tumblr communities dedicated to fangirling over any famous mass murderer or serial killer. The Columbine shooters in particular have quite a following.

Most famously, when Ted Bundy was in prison he received 200 love letters a day and married one of his groupies in court.

Charles Manson's entire deal was getting an army of hot girls to do whatever the fuck he wanted.

I'm sure there's countless examples I've not listed. This is a well documented phenomenon.

I don't think it says much about the average woman, but it certainly demonstrates how many crazy bitches go coo-coo for fellow crazies... but then that should already be obvious to anyone with eyes.

Doesn't even need to be that extreme either, I'm a fucking magnet for those BPD hotties and I'm very dull compared to a murderer. But crazies have, like, crazy-dar. They sense me.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fame is like a magnet for pussy. It's crazy to think that before he was just a neurotic and creepy teenager and now all these girls see him as a brooding, vulnerable, sensitive young man.
Kind of reminds me of my own situation at that age: I was a creepy and neurotic kid but I wanted girls to see me as a sensitive, emotionally vulnerable soul waiting to be loved.

[–]ThirdEyeSqueegeed4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kind of reminds me of my own situation at that age: I was a creepy and neurotic kid but I wanted girls to see me as a sensitive, emotionally vulnerable soul waiting to be loved.

You should've gone on a killing spree, dude.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I hit 30 I reinvented myself and my look with a shaved head, goatee (technically, a vandyke) and "bad boy" look with leather,sometimes toned down with slacks and a blazer.

I left the army to go to law school so that was a huge transition. I suppose you could add into the mix that I had a decent grasp of half a dozen martial arts.

This was me 3.0 (the 1.0 and 2.0 versions are a differnt story)

It was really weird. I did well with women but it always seemed like they expected me to beat them or rape them or something.

Women like dangerous men but have the naive notion that those men are not dangerous to them.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment11 points12 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

Hundreds of women, out of the 157 million women in the US is hardly impressive or "common". It can be summed by the crazies.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

157 million women in the US is hardly impressive or "common".

That's a red herring since that includes babies, the elderly, people with congestive heart failure, and morbidly obese.

But my question is more why these women sent those letters.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a red herring since that includes babies, the elderly, people with congestive heart failure, and morbidly obese.

Other than babies are any of those women incapable of writing love letters?

But my question is more why these women sent those letters.

Because thier brain is broke.

[–]ChromeGhost0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well they would have to be at least teenagers for one , so you can cut out the population under that age.

[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Red herring. These women are just the relative extreme. If there was a guy who did relatively less bad more women would like that man.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying that the more normal a man is, the more interest he will have from women?

[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No. The more crazy/bad a man is the more likely women are to be attracted to it. There's a limit but some women will go pass that limit. It's more like a range.

The more boring/regular a man is the less interest he'll get from women.

[–]Poster515 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

A long time ago I read/heard something that made a lot of sense to me. Something like 'women are attracted most to men who are rebellious and aggressive rule-breakers just enough to garner fear and wary respect yet not get themselves arrested or socially ostracized."

[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. But even then there are outliers like this man right here receiving letters. Are majority of women into this man/men who are serial killers? No. But there's a decent amount to make you ponder.

That being said, there are women who like less bad than the average woman would. It's a spectrum.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Those "crazies" don't throw themselves at men in prison for white collar crime.

The effect that the OP is describing is very well known for death row inmates. There is a basic fascination for violence in the female mind, regardless of what they say.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Those "crazies" don't throw themselves at men in prison for white collar crime.

Don't they?

The effect that the OP is describing is very well known for death row inmates. There is a basic fascination for violence in the female mind, regardless of what they say.

Sure, for some small fraction of women. This isn't some sort of widespread phenomenon.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This isn't some sort of widespread phenomenon.

It is though among serial killers. Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, were others.

I think what your confusing here is the question is not "why does the average woman like this shooter", but why the women that did send letters chose to do so.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Charles Manson had a full cult of women chasing him, even after being jailed.

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are men who are obsessed with him too. Those sre dusturbed people that you don't want to be around.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Same reason the shooter killed people. They’re mentally ill.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then a very large number of women are "mentally ill". This includes gangster hos, btw.

There are strong evolutionary reasons for women to be strongly aroused by violent men. Hard to argue that that is mental illness.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is not a very large number of women who fall for literal serial killers. It is a statistically very small percentage of women.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Violence comes in several forms. Including simple homicide, not just serial killers.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Those "crazies" don't throw themselves at men in prison for white collar crime.

Don't they?

They don't.

The effect that the OP is describing is very well known for death row inmates. There is a basic fascination for violence in the female mind, regardless of what they say.

Sure, for some small fraction of women. This isn't some sort of widespread phenomenon.

It is widespread as far as death row inmates are concerned.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

They don't.

What leads you to this conclusion?

It is widespread as far as death row inmates are concerned.

Aren't all death row mates violent crimes though?

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

They don't.

What leads you to this conclusion?

Observation. Men inside for financial crimes typically don't get proposals.

It is widespread as far as death row inmates are concerned.

Aren't all death row mates violent crimes though?

Yes, that is the point. Women are attracted to violent men.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Observation. Men inside for financial crimes typically don't get proposals.

How many have you asked?

Yes, that is the point. Women are attracted to violent men.

Yeah, those 10 women are attracted to all the deathrow men!

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Observation. Men inside for financial crimes typically don't get proposals.

How many have you asked?

When you have stats, does one need to interview them again?

Yes, that is the point. Women are attracted to violent men.

Yeah, those 10 women are attracted to all the deathrow men!

Minimizing this won't push it under the carpet.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

L>When you have stats, does one need to interview them again?

What stats have you seen? Show me the stats of a nation wide white collar criminal.

Minimizing this won't push it under the carpet.

Why? Y'all are trying to say this is something inherent to women. But really it's a few broken people over and over again.

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men inside for financial crimes typically don't get proposals.

Because men who commit financial crimes usually don't become famous, however, those who do actually do get a lot of fan mail.

[–]splunx1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's because white collar crimes aren't national news, that's covered over and over again.

Also showcasing the shooter in many different lights, even sympathetic.

These girls definitely need help, but I don't think its that shocking.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Neither is your average street corner thug on national news, but even he has multiple girls (TRP talks disgustingly admiringly about such men).

Face it, violent men have always been a fascination for women.

[–]honeypuppy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Does he actually? I'd be curious to see any actual data on this. I wonder if it's an "apex fallacy", where the high level gangsters get women, but the foot soldiers not so much. I'm reminded of how in Freakonomics, they talk about how the average drug dealer earned below minimum wage and lived with his mother, but the stereotype of the high-flier was matched by a few higher-up gang leaders.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The higher up a gangster goes, the more women throw themselves at him. Pareto distribution.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Jordan Belfort is doing alright with the ladies.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278099/Your-stupidity-breathtaking-Girlfriend-real-Wolf-Wall-Street-Jordan-Belfort-pens-blistering-rant-against-critics-say-shouldn-t-profit-story-couple-set-home-Brisbane.html

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

GET THE FUCKING LUDES! I WILL NOT DIE SOBER!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How is it not common when other such shooters or murders also get large following of women?

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What makes you think it's larger than any other situation where a man get national attention for something good? For every woman writing a love letter to a shooter/murderer, there's a hundred more writing to like, the Jonas brother or something.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where did I say it was larger than say the fan base of Jonas brothers? I am saying its a common thing. Women send letters to men they don't even know to prisons for I can only guess for some sort of fetish.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well you need to justify "common" compared to another similar situations, such as a non-violent celebrity.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP10 points11 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

This is extremely common. Most murderers, death row inmates, etc., receive proposals from women.

Women love dark triad men. Darker the better.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Women love dark triad men. Darker the better.

How do you know that this is true for women in general instead of just women who are as crazy as him? Wouldn't it be more likely that a woman who wants to go on a killing spree herself would be attracted to someone who went on one?

[–]despisedlove2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Maybe you should delve in reality from time to time? Life wouldn't be such a surprise to you that way.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But that's what I learned from reality.

The kinds of girls my dealer hooks up with are those kinds of girls that will start a street fight after drinking a six pack in the park.

And it's also what every kind of research on the dating life of DT men says. Remember that one that TRP loves to post that said that DT men have more sexual partners? Well it also said that this is because they have lower standards on their partners and hook up with those that are just as bad as them.

Other research has shown that narcissists are the only people who can stand narcissists.

Consider delving into reality yourself because incel delusions clearly aren't real.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Given that the OP is discussing observed realities regarding death row inmates and other murderers, all that blather you wrote above only confirms the difficulty you BP postmodernist fantasists have with reality.

This isn't surprising. When your political philosophy has rejected reality as the basis of study or discussion, and adopted oppression Olympics as its substitute, discussion with the resulting ideologues like you becomes an act in futility.

So try that transparent white knightery on someone else.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Given that the OP is discussing observed realities regarding death row inmates and other murderers, all that blather you wrote above only confirms the difficulty you BP postmodernist fantasists have with reality.

How are a few hundred women out of a million reflective of women in general?

And why do expect me to trust your delusions more than my personal anecdotes and studies that align with those?

This isn't surprising. When your political philosophy has rejected reality as the basis of study or discussion, and adopted oppression Olympics as its substitute, discussion with the resulting ideologues like you becomes an act in futility.

Ah of course. If studies agree with my personal anecdotes that simply shows that I'm rejecting reality, but if you rely on a few hundred women who are attracted to serial killers to show that all women want DT alphas that's not delusional at all. Makes sense.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your delusions are fit subjects for a psychologist, provided you can find a real one.

[–]mittenmaster0 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If you really want a chuckle from him,

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/7ft4ko/cmv_i_just_want_a_nice_guy_is_the_female/dqewhbe/

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you’ve stepped back from your stance in the comment linked below asserting all women want nice guys?

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I simply don't include outliers in my generalizations.

I'm not denying that there are a couple hundred women out of hundreds of millions in the US that are attracted to serial killers. I just don't see how they are important when talking in generalities.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20173 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No - do not extrapolate the feelings of a small amount of psychologically damaged women to all of us. All of these women have histories of abuse and include the occasional psychopath.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No - do not extrapolate the feelings of a small amount of psychologically damaged women to all of us. All of these have histories of abuse and include the occasional psychopath.

Given what we know about evolution, and that "Fifty Shades of Gray" was the highest selling book for female audiences for all time, no one buys that nonsense anymore. Women generally are aroused by violence and sadism.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You are completely misreading what that book is about. You’re projecting what you want to see. If Christian Grey were poor he’d just be a stalking creep. You are interpreting this incorrectly and missing the nuance, as men often do. The sex scenes are never in the first chapter because it’s not about the dominance. There’s always a series of challenges where he earns her trust and respect and then his reward is her sexual surrender somewhere in the middle to end of the book. Men want to ignore the first 10 chapters where the hero demonstrates his value and trustworthiness and skip to the domination parts but the setup is way more important to female sexual attraction. The only reason the books are attractive to some women is because the heroine is getting the focused attention from a man who is obviously way out of her league. It’s just the Cinderella fantasy with a slight kink. Also there are more women in the world than bored ass white women look for cheap literary thrills.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't explain why even a poor street corner thug has multiple women into him, does it?

Your problem is that when it comes to biology, you feminist ideologues have a blind spot. That is why you can't understand why reality is the way it is.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't explain why even a poor street corner thug has multiple women into him, does it?

If these women could do better, they would. You act like they’re consciously choosing a life of poverty.

Your problem is that when it comes to biology, you feminist ideologues have a blind spot. That is why you can't understand why reality is the way it is.

Breh, don’t try to mansplain femininity to me. You all continuously misinterpret female behavior to bend it to your worldview. You want to believe women are attracted to sadism so you can justify being a predatory creep. Stop projecting your own sick sexual fantasies on to women.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't explain why even a poor street corner thug has multiple women into him, does it?

If these women could do better, they would. You act like they’re consciously choosing a life of poverty.

In other words, you admit that women go after money.

Street thugs aren't poor. They are probably richer than many middle class white collar workers.

Your problem is that when it comes to biology, you feminist ideologues have a blind spot. That is why you can't understand why reality is the way it is.

Breh, don’t try to mansplain femininity to me. You all continuously misinterpret female behavior to bend it to your worldview. You want to believe women are attracted to sadism so you can justify being a predatory creep. Stop projecting your own sick sexual fantasies on to women.

You are saying this to a person who strictly avoids women outside of work. Not my problem if your personal social fantasies don't square up with biological realities.

[–]ThirdEyeSqueegeed2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All of these women have histories of abuse and include the occasional psychopath.

Ah, right, so you know them all then? Cool. Perhaps you could ask one or two of them to set up an account and post their story onto PPD.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's simply what research on those women have stated.

You could try reading "Women Who Love Men Who Kill." if you want more insight into this topic.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You are not controlling for the "fame" variable here. If he was on the news for a bestselling album or controversial political opinion, I'd bet he'd get even more attention than he does. Consider Justin Bieber.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't explain why high profile financial criminals don't get anywhere near the same level of attention.

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any proof of that? How many love letters does a high profile financial criminal gets as comparef to a high profile violent criminal.

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Purple, as my flair says.

I have no fucking idea, and it is both disgusting and disturbing on a visceral level. It's one thing to see a random guy on TV and think he's hot without knowing anything else about him. But it's almost guaranteed that these girls know what kind of bottom-feeding scum he is, and it's the only reason they are even aware of his existence. I don't understand it, nor do I want to delve any closer to that part of these girls' psyche.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So PPD, why would a serial killer and mass murderer get so much adoration from women?

Girls like bad boys.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fame. This guy is famous. Millions of people now know about him. There's about 15 million high school students in the USA. Half of those are female. If there's seven million teenage girls looking at this guy and one in ten or twenty thousand is attracted to serial killers, that's enough for a few hundred love letters and a few naked pictures.

Now, if he was famous for something other than shooting up a school, like making a bestselling album, I'd bet he'd get even more attention.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So PPD, why would a serial killer and mass murderer get so much adoration from women? I mean, whats going on here? Thoughts?

masculinity

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Joking, right?

[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been saying women love bad boys. Lol. Women are attracted to chaos.

[–]newName543456went volcel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So did Ted Bundy and Charles Manson.

How can theory of "irresistible charm of bad boys" be refuted now? It's more attractive to be a serial killer than bland, average, everyday boring guy. At least the former gives them some thrills...

(RP BTW)

[–]DeepCrimsonPillRed + Black Pill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men are more prone to autism because it is an exaggeration of our logic-oriented thinking. Women are more prone to borderline personality disorder because it is an exaggeration of their emotion-oriented thinking. Likewise, women are more prone to hybristophilia because it is an exaggeration of the Alpha-oriented bad-boy-seeking sex drive all women have.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This guy was bullied by his classmates, that's why he snapped

[–]Freethetreees4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

He was never bullied, people just avoided him because they thought he was a creepy weirdo. Clearly their instincts were correct.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That's optimistic and a very literal reading of what she said. Her choice of formulation and the extremity of the crime leads me to believe this kid must have been singled out. If it were just about leaving him alone, he wouldn't have shot anyone.

[–]Freethetreees-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If bullying leads to violence, why aren't gay and transgender students shooting up schools at the rate of straight white males? They're the ones who get bullied most often.

[–]spookgangbanger 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Because they have no balls.

[–]Freethetreees0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So balls are the problem, then? Save the guns and castrate potential shooters. Someone call the NRA with this brilliant plan!

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20170 points1 point  (27 children) | Copy Link

Maybe he was bullied because he was a psycho.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Why would you bully a psychotic person? Do you understand the difference between someone who is psychotic and is a psychopath? Someone who is psychotic has an impaired grasp of reality - you are essentially bullying a handicapped person

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Because he’s a psychopath and being nice to a psychopath just makes them more violent because they take pleasure in the suffering of others. Short of extreme medical intervention there is nothing to be done but attempt to ostracize him from your social circle to limit damage. A bunch of teenagers are not equipped to handle a guy with that many issues.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/nikolas-cruz-shooting-florida.html

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Is he a psychopath or psychotic? You said he was psychotic before

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I definitely said psychotic and psychopath. If you read the article I linked it outlines pretty clearly that this kid was sadistic but also had mental illness.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

No you initially said "psychotic" because you don't understand they're not the same thing. I mean they sound similar so it must be the same amirite. They were basically the same thing in Dexter so now I'm a psychology expert.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No I understand the difference - he was both. But psychosis doesn’t make most people violent so I’m still not sure that makes him a victims - it’s the psychopathy that makes him externalizations it.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes the psychopathy is the bad thing. I'm just pointing out that in your initial comments you conflated the two.

Although, is this kid a psychopath? I've only seen him mentioned on PPD so have no idea. You can't assume he's a psychopath based purely on this one crime, a psychiatrist will go through the checklist and score him on the various psychopathic traits.

For example there are people who commit hideous crimes but show genuine remorse afterwards, so much so that they turn themselves into police - these are not psychopaths, and the courts do take remorse into consideration when deciding sentences.

If a psychiatrist has yet to evaluate this kid you cannot assume he is a psychopath yet.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20170 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes the psychopathy is the bad thing. I'm just pointing out that in your initial comments you conflated the two.

No.

these are not psychopaths, and the courts do take remorse into consideration when deciding sentences.

This kid is almost assuredly getting the death penalty - no one gives a single fuck about his “remorse”. He understands right from wrong. He has a history of choosing to do wrong. He’s had ample opportunity to turn his life around.

[–]Monkey_Jerk0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

How'd that turn out for the bullies?

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Not their fault or responsibility to parent a psychotic classmate - they reported this kid to the authorities and adults several times and the adults failed them.

 

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/mar/30/project-republic/no-emma-gonzalez-did-not-admit-bullying-parkland-s/

[–]Monkey_Jerk1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Not their fault

Maybe he was bullied because he was a psycho.

Pick one.

Yes the adults failed but why are you defending the bullying of mentally ill people?

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah I forgot, white psychopaths are special snowflakes that society needs to coddle.

[–]Monkey_Jerk1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's funny coming from a (black?) feminist woman.

Don't cry when you push someone over the edge and they dish it back.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’m just asking why we only do all this analysis on privileged white kids. I’m sure inner city gang violence can be solved by hugs and feel goods too but for some reason no one cares. I don’t know why we should care now.

[–]Monkey_Jerk0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Mass shootings aren't as common as everyday gang violence. Of course people want to know their motivations and why they snapped. The media also plays it up to push the anti gun agenda. And every time someone points out that gun related deaths in the black community are a lot more common and the reason is due to fatherless homes they get called racist. Maybe more black people need to start calling out their own instead of calling everyone who does call them out racist.

[–]Jammerly1Snatching TRP Bald since 20171 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How do you suppose that’s done when the police are racist? It’s not that Black people like criminals, it’s that we don’t trust the cops not to act like the judge, jury, and executioner. It’s racist because you all are only “pretending” to care about black on black crime when trying to deflect from the institutionalized racism enforced by the police state. It’s concern trolling and entirely self serving and transparent.

[–]EsauTheRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Politifact is a biased site

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just fine. The shooter had left the school a while ago and was 19 at the time of the shooting.

Seeing as younger kids basically never bully older and bigger kids, that would mean any bullies he had were in his year or above. Meaning they'd all left parkland at the time he shot the school up.

So anyone who bullied him wasn't there. He just shot up a load of younger kids who neither knew nor cared who he was.

[–]Monkey_Jerk0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably right but that bald lesbian was telling people he was bullied for a reason (implying he deserved it) so it seems the younger ones knew about him being bullied. Some could've possibly participated.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

She's a year younger than him, LGBT, Bald and Female.

I think the liklihood that she bullied him are tiny.

She may well have been aware of other shit, because kids know whats going down with other kids, but seriously ? When did the gay, younger, female kids bully the older, straight, male kids at your school ?

This is just the right-wing throwing shit at her because of the gun rights thing. Their throwing shit and hoping it sticks to discredit her and the others on that. You know it, I know it. Same as the ripping the constitution meme thing. They're trying to bring these kids down.

[–]Monkey_Jerk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both sides are playing it up and trying to make the other side look bad to push their own beliefs and agendas, that's for sure.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe the fact that he had no friends and the fact that he fucking shot 17 people were both caused by the fact that he was an asshole?

[–]EsauTheRed0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You're very emotional, self-righteous, and speculating

Kids get singled out for bullying all the time...Once you've been pigeonholed into a certain social role, it's hard to get out of it within the same group

I'm sure this kid was an asshole, social isolation does that to you - but my uninterested-in-this-topic opinion is that this kid was fucked with beyond just social isolation to make him shoot 17 people

[–]dailyqt 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Do you know how many kids are bullied every year? Do you know how many of those kids are mass shooters? Dumbass

[–]EsauTheRed0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying that people deserved to be shot, I'm just not surprised

I'm sure the fear of the occasional shooting would go farther to make kids think twice about bullying than any administrative measure ever has

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you imagine how the "school shooter kid" probably feels when a school gets shot up and he suddenly starts getting inexplicable visits from his peers? "H-hey buddy, how are you feeling? You're not gonna shoot up the school, are ya?"

[–]EsauTheRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think in this situation people will keep distance from and avoid the kid, which sucks but is preferable to chronic bullying

When you corner an animal, are you surprised when it viciously assaults you? Why are you surprised that kids will lash out when they are being bullied and have no means of escape?

[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there's no reason to believe that the women who choose to send love letters to a teenage serial killer are representative of women/girls on a whole. its not unbelievable that 200 damaged women exist.

i'm sure that if some young attractive woman gains national fame as a serial killer then she would have male groupies as well. it just so happens that women serial killers are rare so the opportunity doesn't present itself.

[–]pinkgoldrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Because he did something unique and is now famous.

[–]Khungghar 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Very unique and heartwarming.

[–]pinkgoldrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Do you seriously not understand what makes him stand out compared to you who have never done anything that 6 billion people are also currently doing?

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Crime does pay. Maybe people should stop educating their kids into being good and doing the good thing, and then will see what kind of civilization is left after that.

[–]pinkgoldrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Doing something notorious that is also positive is hard. Doing something notorious but negative has consequences (prison).

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right I won't. I stopped giving too much damn about that society. So doing something good for it is unlikely.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Why is the shooter getting any letters at all though? His actions were selfish and destructive

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well his actions demonstrate a very high degree of power and self identity. It's an extreme level of influence over others.

[–]pinkgoldrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Because he's famous and unique.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

So what? He has a net negative impact on society

It betrays the essence of selfishness that is rooted in humanity that women would swoon over a guy like this

[–]pinkgoldrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Anyone who does something to distinguish themselves will attract fans? How is that hard to understand? If there are guys who shoot up schools, it should be no surprise that they are girls who like school shooters. There are all kinds of personalities in the world.

You can't look at a shooter receiving letters and conclude that women prefer men who do bad things. What you need to do is pick someone who has done something equally rare, equally noteworthy, equally publicized, but "good" and compare how many letters he got.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Why is malignant killing something to be recognized, something that distinguishes someone, something that is celebrated

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Justin Bieber gets far more letters and female attention than this pathetic shooter.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

unique

I get the spirit of what you're saying but how is being a mass shooter "unique"? America has like a new one every week.

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[–]LifterofThingsDelicate Feminine Flower0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men who drink gasoline are super-sexy rebels.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do quite like the smell.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Slap me five!

[–]Orange_Paisley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It happens all the time. Charles Manson had groupies into his 80s. Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, the Melendez brothers, the Boston marathon bomber... there is a certain type of woman drawn to dark and dangerous dudes. It's a fantasy though. These men are behind bars and are unlikely to be set free; the women can adore them from a safe distance.

[–]randomcarrotaf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There probably are many reasons. Maybe some of the ones i could think of make sense:

The person is in prison, that means they can feel superior and more important since they are his "window to the outside world". It gives them power and control over the person who has hardly anything else to think about while being locked up.

Its is a fetish. There are a lot of women with rape fantasies, why should it be only rape and not other crimes as well? It could turn them on knowing he broke the law and faced prison, and it comes in various degrees - from theft to murder.

They were abused during their life and it highly influences their choice of a partner. The unknown mostly scares more than anything, and they are not confident and experienced enough to have a relationship that is loving and free of abuse - so they choose someone who is either likely to abuse them or they choose someone who already abused others. If that person is in prison it takes away the threat and leaves the excitement.

They are highly intruiged by the topic (in a none fetish way) and want to know what a person who is able to do such things is like. Maybe they even feel he was treated unjustified and they want to help him. It has a lot to do with power again - they feel THEY are the only one who can help him and the only one he really needs.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Some people just want to watch the word burn. They love when what they feel is a justified mass killing happens. He was bullied and snapped: it was justified. They just don't get him. It's probably someone living up their fantasy.

[–]EsauTheRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just unsurprised that it happened due to bullying, I can intellectually understand that what he did was selfish and destructive, but you can't just single out a kid and make him the scapegoat and target of everybody's frustrations. We shouldn't expect anybody to be so self-sacrificing that they will take that.

That's why I approach the shooting with equanimity. If someone personally fucked me over bad I'd go nuclear myself.

[–]0x123d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing new under the sun

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously these women are not representative of women as a whole - a small minority of women are truly attracted to serial killers or mass murderers.

But my take on why some women are attracted to these violent men would be this: these women are likely ‘low-value’ as TRPers would put it and also ‘disturbed’ in some way. There is a paraphilia called hybristophilia which many of these women have.

As for more typical feminine traits that could contribute - I think a misplaced sense of caring and nurture: feeling sorry for the man because of his neglectful or abusive upbringing or mental illness and believing their love can ‘fix’ him. Then there’s also the attraction to his toxic (certainly this term applies to these men) masculinity: he’s violent, impulsive, unemotional, defiant - in short, he has distinguished himself from other men and to these women that’s a plus they want to attach themselves to, and they ignore the evil of how he did it. And of course, he should be somewhat physically attractive - although that didn’t stop Manson from gaining a big female following. The likes of Bundy had many ‘fans’ because he was quite good looking. The better looking ones are certainly likely to get more attention, but some of these women are more attracted to the infamy and seeming sadness of these men than anything else.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Mental illness. The only explanation. You have no idea how many people are actually insane in your everyday life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Mental illness, unless it's some specific psychiatric diagnosis is just a pop culture label.

Be honest, why are women attracted to violence ?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's not just violence. Those women are mentally ill, most of them at least.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Those women are mentally ill, most of them at least.

How would you know without them having a psychiatric evaluation by a doctor?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I just guess. Just like I have guessed shooter was mental too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But evil or malice is not a mental illness. I think this is where a lot of people go wrong in these debates.

Simply using mental illness as a label prevents any understanding as to why women hop on bad boy dick in a heart beat.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But evil or malice is not a mental illness.

But it is. In most cases.

why women hop on bad boy dick in a heart beat.

some women

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But it is. In most cases.

I don't think you understand what mental illness is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I very well do

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

these girls might feel they understand what he was going trough. a lot of girls also feel humiliated and bullied at school, but don't have the aggression to actually go trough with their fantasies of slaughtering their class.

or maybe something else entirely.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just to post as a post itself, redpills don’t just care about women, they care about winning. This naturally attracts woman and obviously pulling in chicks without care bring in the most chicks rather than not doing so.

[–]1UPZ__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ivan Milat the serial killer had women visiting him in jail wanting him...

Status is very alluring to women... that status doesnt have to be "rich" or "famous"... infamous applies to some

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Red Pill.

TRP confirmed. What’s going on here is “chicks dig jerks”. Women love bad boys, assholes, outlaws, miscreants and men who DGAF about what others think of them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP confirmed. What’s going on here is “chicks dig jerks”. Women love bad boys, assholes, outlaws, miscreants and men who DGAF about what others think of them.

Yea, it's an extreme version, but follows the same path.

It's also interesting how many people are in denial of this, immediately saying "but 300 million people in USA!!!!!" or blaming it on mental illness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Female attraction to dark triad traits.

[–]IsaGuz0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are hundreds of mentally unstable girls in a 300 million population. Statistics.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are hundreds of mentally unstable girls in a 300 million population. Statistics.

Why don't we see, if statistics are true, girls sending love letters to software engineers or incels?

[–]IsaGuz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

1.You see girls sending love letters (by THOUSANDS) to rock stars or sometimes their favourite writers. That's what fanclubs are. I can guarantee boy bands receive more fanmail than murderers.

2.Because software engineers aren't as of a general rule famous (so the girls cannot know about them), but mainly because girls are generally not interested in the sciences of objects, but in the sciences of living beings (biology, medicine, nursing). If they don't understand the software engineer work, they're not bound to admire it. At certain ages, few have the knowledge to appreciate real quality at any job.

Incels are not famous either, so to begin with, girls don't know about their existence. Most importantly, they are not attractive, mostly because the majority have given up on life. No one who has given up fighting for life is going to be chosen for 9 months of figure-destroying, potentially-deathly new human being creation. Incels are between the unattractive and the very, very scary.

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Serial killers get a lot of adoration from disturbed people, men and women. It sais nothing about the nature of women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why is Mark zuckerberg not getting any fan letters from teenage girls ?

[–]Naya33330 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

He isn't? Do you have any proof of that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing comes up on google.

Don't be a fool.

[–]ellieectrode0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

Ehhhh, they may not be regular woman. They might also be psychotic.

Writing love letters is a little psycho in general.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Writing love letters is a little psycho in general.

It's the only form of communication with someone in prison whom you aren't related to, so this shouldn't factor here.

They might also be psychotic.

Why?

[–]ellieectrode0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Cause everything about that is creepy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Cause everything about that is creepy.

Ok, but lets try not to assign labels here. I mean why do you think criminals normally have lots of female fans?

[–]ellieectrode-2 points-1 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

It's not like these criminals have huge followings compared to any average male media figure. Criminal admiration is not a significant part of popular culture. This guy got a few hundred letters. There are 15 billion women in the US.

Average women are terrified of getting raped and assaulted by strangers, those women are not going to be sharing their mailing addresses with known criminals.

Women on average aren't likely to commit violent crimes but dark triad women must have their own special types of weird past times.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are 15 billion women in the US.

Ah yes the 15 billion women in the US, of course.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes the 15 billion women in the US, of course.

Lol, maybe he has to inflate he number of women to make his denial of women liking violence seem more comforted.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually think that's a Trump reference...

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't actually surprise me.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women on average aren't likely to commit violent crimes but dark triad women must have their own special types of weird past times.

Can confirm, I love my dt girl and her criminal hobby

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Criminal admiration is not a significant part of popular culture.

Not too sure about that. How do you explain the popularity of hip hop or rap music that often talks about committing crimes?

[–]Jammerly1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

White people liks Watching black folks self destruct for their entertainment and so they can justify their prejudices.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So your saying black people should not be performing hip hop and rap with those types of lyrics ?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

And yet in another comment you yourself brought up Jordan Belfort, and the movie about his ultimate demise was extremely popular.

Also I take it by your logic absolutely no one listens to white rappers?

[–]Jammerly1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It was popular because he won for such a long time and is still winning today. The movie didn’t really make it seem like it was a cautionary tale, it was mostly comical.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I disagree, he was made out to be a con artist and while it was a fun movie I think the audience liked seeing him "get what he deserved" at the end.

And you missed a bit:

I take it by your logic absolutely no one listens to white rappers?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People like stuff in fiction they don't necessarily like IRL, to be fair. Music is artistic expression just like a book or a movie.

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hundreds of women do this, out of the hundreds of millions in America. I feel pretty safe writing this off for a very crazy, small minority.

I guess female teachers who rape their students also often get love mail from men. So there's that.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because the women sending fan mail are retarded and broken. What about the millions of women who did not send fan mail, aka the majority.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Psh those unicorns don't matter when the goal is to appeal to the biggest chunk of women.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So PPD, why would a serial killer and mass murderer get so much adoration from women? I mean, whats going on here? Thoughts?

There are 300 million people in the USA. There's bound to be quite a few mentally ill people in that crowd.

If you guys think mass-murdering people makes a man attractive, then I don't even want to know what you lot think of men who are already physically attractive going ape-shit on someone's physical integrity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/nyregion/renato-seabra-ex-model-gets-25-years-for-killing-his-lover-in-times-sq-hotel.html

https://cdn2.flash.pt/images/2018-01/img_414x371$2018_01_04_15_58_18_101739_im_636509236384851090.png

https://fastfoode.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/renato_seabra.jpg?w=590

Let's go, brahs. I bet this guy gets thousands of love letters a day! Or would he have need to do a school shooting instead of castrating, torturing, and slowly killing his gay sugar daddy?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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