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This is just a rant I'm typing from work. People in my workplace and neighborhood have been really annoying about this matter.

I find it curious how there is a similarity in the logic followed by two groups of people:

  • Physically unattractive men who believe they "deserve" to have a partner

  • Aging women who believe they "deserve" commitment

"I'm such a great guy, I'm funny, and nice, and charming. Why won't girls date me?" You don't get to determine if you're attractive, women around you do. If they don't, deal with it.

"I don't get laid because I'm too nice/too decent. Women only like jerks and douchebags". No, the reason you don't get laid is because you're ugly. You don't make a good fuck. End of story.

And then the ladies.

"I'm such an interesting, powerful, independent, brave woman! Why can't I have a man for myself?" Again, you don't get to determine if you're attractive, men around you do. If they don't find you attractive... it means you're not.

"Men are intimidated by a smart, powerful, independent woman! That's why I can't find a real man!" No, it's because you're not a good deal. End of story.

My basic belief is that no one deserves anything just because they think they do.

You can consider yourself as attractive as you want; but people around you will be the ones to determine the truth.

You can blame your niceness/experience/intelligence/decency. Reality: you're just not attractive. "Women are all sluts". "Men are all pigs". Sure, that's the problem. Sure.


[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie18 points19 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

The biggest problem I had was thinking all the shit I did in my marriage, aka BP behavior, meant I earned something from my wife. Its a bit of an eye-opener to realize the only avenue was simply be attractive. Really seemed to lower the value of being married in my mind

[–]reluctantly_red16 points17 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Its a bit of an eye-opener to realize the only avenue was simply be attractive. Really seemed to lower the value of being married in my mind

Yes. Its a blow when you realize that hard work and loyalty mean so little.

Its also somewhat liberating because taking care of your looks (e.g. going to the gym) is actually a lot easier than trying to satisfy a woman by provisioning.

[–]Yourstruly77710 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This. Going to the gym is much more rewarding than doing laundry. No joke.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

And lets not forget you have to buy the washing machine too -- and not just any washer will do -- she needs the latest fancy ass front loader that costs $1500 -- just see what happens if you suggest getting an old Maytag off of Craigslist.

[–]haikufun 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Psst. European steam clean models with combo washing and drying in one machine. Makes life so much easier.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

They make washing machines that are also tumble dryers?

[–]haikufun 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

$1776

😨

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Old Maytags are quality though.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but what would her friends think if they saw a mismatched old washer and dryer in the garage?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If she wants such a machine she can buy it with her money then.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Her money? You're funny.

But my ex's new guy did get her all new really expensive appliances and the new kitchen to go with them (tens of thousands of $$$ total). He also bought her a brand new SUV. And a motorhome so big it doesn't fit in a lot of spots.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ex sounds like a gold digger. There's no way I do any of that. If she wants that she can spend her own money. If she doesn't like that she can leave.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Hard work and loyalty mean a lot in a marriage, they don't generate sexual attraction.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What does it mean exactly outside of endeavors in which there is mutual interest (like raising children)?

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd really love to know this answer, because a "thanks for being there" seems...exponentially off.

[–]GridReXXit be like that13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Isn’t the primary reason for getting married to raise children and build a family?

Or to have a person by your side in old age.

Or to raise both of your statuses in certain arenas.

If you’re just getting married because you like the way she looks, you’re better off having a GF.

Marriage is about life planning, legacy, partnership.

The primary end goal of marriage has never been 😍😍😍.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Or to have a person by your side in old age.

Welcome to marriage 2.0, you're not entitled to that lol

[–]speltspelt4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

of course, women never were... men have always been more likely to get that than women and that hasn't changed.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It must suck to be a woman alone in her old age, because her husband had the unmitigated gall, the sheer audacity, the blithe inconsiderativeableness, to die first. It's like the final insult a clueless male can inflict on his long-suffering wife: to drop dead before she does, and leave her alone in the world. Have men no shame? Always putting themselves before the needs of women.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m not entitled to anything I wrote.

I haven’t deluded myself to think otherwise.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or to have a person by your side in old age.

You acknowledge that it doesn't result in that though, it's independent of marriage

[–]GenieGenius-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Marriage is selling your daughter for money or property.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage for me is what I listed above.

[–]kick6Red Pill Man2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You believed in the fallacy of “relational equity.” There’s a lot written about it.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

relational equity

Yeah, Rollo's article. But damn did it nullify shitty little powerplays.

[–]kick6Red Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s still powerplays that work in a relationship. It’s just that they’re all nuclear.

[–]TRP_HoplitePurple Pill30 points31 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

A better way to put it is: YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHAT TRAITS OR BEHAVIORS THE OPPOSITE SEX FINDS ATTRACTIVE! Some of these you have control over, most are due to genetics and you don't.

You're a guy and expect women to like you because you like to share your feelings? Hope you like the friend zone.

You're a girl and decide to get a pixie cut because it supposedly works for Emma Watson? Great, you just turned off 50% of your current dating pool.

[–]reluctantly_red5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some of us guys like girls with short hair.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the other 50%. And she has to like you back for her to notice any effect on you

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are ruining things for the rest of us

[–]reluctantly_red3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And fat girls with short hair can be really hot!

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHAT TRAITS OR BEHAVIORS THE OPPOSITE SEX FINDS ATTRACTIVE! Some of these you have control over, most are due to genetics and you don't.

I blame MSM and Hollywood for settings immoderate beauty standards.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're a guy and expect women to like you because you like to share your feelings? Hope you like the friend zone.

The friend zone works if you're attractive.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Are there all of these people struggling to find partners, though? It's been my observation that most people who want to be in a relationship find one pretty quickly.

[–]PeskyPapayablue14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This board talks way too much about the small percentage of very low value men.

[–]FranklinThePlug2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean the bottom 80% of men that women think are below average looks-wise

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not just the very low value men, but men of all values.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What % of men do you consider very low value?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mine observation too. Also there are big part of people who have no idea what they want or have too high standards (mostly women) so they stay single for long periods of their lives. It is applicable to men too, to some degree, just that they are really in a minority.

[–]IdoNtEvEnWaTz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women can be in a new relationship within a week if she wants. Indeed if she left her SO for a "better" guy she's already in a relationship.

It's not that easy for guys unless they dumpster dive to the max.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/incels and TRP.........

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People who want to be in a relationship more than they want to be happy can find one pretty quickly, but they probably won't be happy in that relationship. They think that relationship = happiness, so they don't consider the possibility that they might be happier without that relationship. Those of us on the outside of these toxic relationships can spot them right away, but the poor fools caught in them never seem to get it.

[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know plenty of average dudes that struggle. Check any post on the internet on how average guys are failing at all kinds of traditional and modern dating. I think a lot of them are beat up by trying to run the gauntlet that is pursuing/courting women only to fall on their face. Fat dudes are mostly part of the dickless community to women, but you can't blame women for that.

I don't really know any women who are not morbidly obese that are having trouble finding relationships, but I do know some older women(who range from hot to not) who are struggling, and I mostly assume because they are being picky(not exactly a negative).

[–]TheBookOfSeilCuckleberry Finn7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't get to determine what you deserve.

I think people already know this. However, they are voicing their concerns because they really just want to feel wanted and loved. I've heard "attractive" people saying what they "deserve" too.

The only difference between the two is that people are readily willing to give an "attractive" person "love" and attention before they give an "ugly" person "love" and attention.

That's just the way it is, so there is no point in anyone saying what they "deserve," except that they want to be heard and noticed in doing so.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Physically unattractive men who believe they "deserve" to have a partner

Aging women who believe they "deserve" commitment

I’ve got no real problem with people thinking they serve these things. People should be allowed to assess what they believe they deserve.

I think I deserve a pay rise.

The problem is really that people have to understand the universe is just not obligated to give you what you think you deserve, or even what you actually “objectively” deserve if this aligns with what you think.

The universe has no notion of “deserve” and will therefore just give you what it gives you. This will only align with what you think you deserve when Humans have become involved and have taken a decision to allocate you the things because they agree you deserve them and they are available to allocate (as with my pay rise, or not).

In human sexual relations human are extremely unwilling to assign to you “sexual access to them” even though they may agree you “deserve” it. They allocate their personal sexual access to who they want to give it to. And each human allocates only their own, and not others.

This makes “deserve” irrelevant in sexual relations, and “desire” paramount.

Although we all still have the opportunity to decide what we deserve, and it’s better if this aligns with the objective deserve everyone would agree on, it is still utterly irrelevant to sexuality.

My basic belief is that no one deserves anything just because they think they do.

I’d disagree in most cases (eg my Pay Rise example). Because humans will generally try to give you what you deserve IF they agree you deserve it and IF it is available.

I’d totally agree with you in the special case of sex/relationships because they work differently to the human norm and on the basis that each human only allocates themselves, and they’re extremely Unwilling to to do so on any other basis than their desire to do so (which is unrelated to deserve).

Reality: you're just not attractive. "Women are all sluts". "Men are all pigs". Sure, that's the problem. Sure.

That’s just people venting because subconsciously understand that they’re unattractive and seek to blame everyone for that but themselves. That’s just humans being humans. They do this on everything they don’t like, blame others for their own faults.

[–]EvilBananaManRDNot caring anymore[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the universe is just not obligated to give you what you think you deserve

This. This is exactly what I meant.

I agree on everything you said except the "pay rise" example. You will only get a pay rise if your boss believes you deserve one. You believing you do is not enough.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Another view on your OP is that people have every right to determine how attractive they are but that doesn't mean others will see them that way. I hold the view that the dating market is really nothing but a stock market. With that here you have Company A thinking their stock is worth X but you think their stock is more worth Y. Y here is lower than X and you will certain by their stock at Y when it either drops (they reevaluate their attractiveness) or they accept Y as their selling price.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The universe has no notion of “deserve” and will therefore just give you what it gives you

That's why I think that the universe sucks. We only exist to serve and feed its purpose if there is any, not the other way round. Hence why I'm flirting with nihilistic views. Life isn't "fair". It actually is the opposite and I don't like it.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You aren't here to serve or feed the universe anything.

You are a being created by your DNA in order to replicate the DNA that created you. You only purpose is to be a big long digression that DNA required to be successfully replicated.

So thats your only "job". And you are free to ignore it if you wish (although your DNA will make you unhappy if you do so).

Think of it as "If I did this, I can take the rest of my life off and use it to serve whatever purpose I like".

It's like having a job that says "clock in at 9.00am but the rest of the day is your own".

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I did not understand your last two sentences unfortunately.

Also, if my only job is to perpetuate my DNA, then why said DNA makes it almost impossible for me to do so in my current state? (aka very low SMV).

There is something off here, because the given tools do not fit the given task.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, if my only job is to perpetuate my DNA, then why said DNA makes it almost impossible for me to do so in my current state? (aka very low SMV).

I didn't say they always make a good vehicle for doing that. Nevertheless that IS what they made you to do. It is the only thing they made you to do.

If a shitty umbrella comes off the production line, it was still made to keep the rain off people even if it's terrible at it.

However, I suspect that you're just not as badly off as you think you are and as the million ancestors in your direct line of descent had a 100% success rate at copying their DNA... You've ot a pretty decent chance of doing so yourself so long as you don't cock it up by getting all stupid, nihlistic, and "woe is me for I am unfortunate" about it.

[–]ellieectrode0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You might also be interested in exploring the Buddhist view. The universe gives what it gives and desiring and striving against the nature of the universe is the root of all suffering.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I want one of those jobs where I have enough free time to post garbage from work.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

S T E M stem stem stem

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't make the final judgement, but you can impact it (being fit, hygiene, styling, make up, etc.)

You can also "estimate" how attractive you are to the opposite gender... But accuracy may be limited depending on how much you know about objective parts of attractiveness.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's good to feel like you deserve love or the deserve whoever it is you're attracted to. As in, there's no reason why you wouldn't deserve something. Feeling inferior to others is bad and you shouldn't let your own insecurities stop you from trying to get what you want. Having said that, you obviously cannot expect something or feel entitled to it. Asking "why" when it comes to dating is never a good idea. There is no "why", people just do what they want.

[–]ganso_bum7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People in my workplace and neighborhood have been really annoying about this matter.

You don't get to determine anyone else's opinions

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i get what you're saying. the world isn't fair and no one is entitled to anything.

but your actions do play a very large role in determining whether other people will see you as attractive or unattractive, the problem is that many people are focusing on the wrong things.

if the unattractive nice guy realized that being nice is overrated and spent more time in the gym and improving his social status, women would be more attracted to him.

same for the independent, brave career woman.

the implication that attraction is completely out of your control and due entirely to luck is not true.

[–]Eastuss 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You don't get to claim that you'll survive form a disease, you shouldn't allowed to go to the doctor, if you're strong enough to survive, you'll survive, otherwise you should die. /s

I'm not disagreeing with this post, but it's part of "natural selection" ideologies: you don't get to judge, only the system judges you.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not really getting your point. Within the system you can still improve yourself to improve your real value. You just can't arbitrarily claim your value should be higher than it is merely because you feel it should be so.

[–]BeyondTheLight1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right it is more of like that I can recover in several weeks, but not claim that I have the healing factor of wolverine or some shit.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You just can't arbitrarily claim your value should be higher than it is merely because you feel it should be so.

Isn't that what feminists and minorities do? Don't get me wrong, I am a minority myself, but Blacks, Arabs, Asians, Women seem to be entitled to things they do not deserve in society and in the world. (North Korea demands respect and to be see equally, by threat of nukes). For instance, what makes women "deserve" to be on men's levels (employment, corporate, academic excellence, cultural, etc) purely by social justice activism and not through merit? From what I can gather, men are the ones who build companies and become leaders of them, yet women feel entitled to get a slice of that cake (equal representation; equality of outcome, etc). They want to be the leaders of nations because muh pussy or CEOs of Fortune 500 companies because muh pussy. Yet women seem to be allowed to exert a disproportionate amount of influence relative to their actual importance and ability through their in-group preference driven activism, to dictate the direction of society even though they have done virtually nothing in the advancement of it. And they seem to be getting what they want. I guess the same can be said about minorities and mass immigration into the West.

I guess what I am trying to say is people should be allowed to complain and even try to force a change because if somehow their efforts prove fruitful, then it was worth it all along.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and affirmative action is bullshit too.

[–]mgtow_13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your general theme, but we are also trying to build and maintain a society. We regulate and punish certain sexual strategy behaviors and not others. If people start feeling like the systems no longer benefit them they reduce or stop participating in those systems. Enough people do this and the system becomes unstable and eventually collapses. We see signs of this already with people not working, not getting married, not having kids, not buying houses, etc. Is it bad right now? Probably not, but if trends continue it could.

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[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

To quote JBP: "The market sets the damn game."

Agreed, too many people of both genders act like they get to determine their value. It doesn't work like that. It's compared to a marketplace for a reason.

I can't take a car I bought for £10k and expect to sell it for £100k just because I believe that's what it should be worth. My car is worth what people are willing to pay for it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dislike your car analogy because it glosses over the fact that in the marketplace you are both the car and the car salesman. Personally, I don't really mind working towards being a better car, but I don't really have an interest in becoming a better salesman, yet it seems that the latter part is much more important.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a valid point. Salesmanship goes a long way and if you're selling any good then being a good salesman is as important as the good itself (within reason).

But that still only goes so far. If you're trying to sell a 1993 Honda Civic no one is going to pay £50k for it no matter how good the salesman is.

Likewise you can hype yourself up and believe you're high value but if you're obese and poor this still won't get you very far.

You have to develop both skills in tandem. You can only be a good salesman if your product is desirable. You can't demand Mercedes-Benz prices for a Ford Focus.

[–]MrButtholePoopy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

actually this exact point is where the "marketplace" analogy falls flat. no, you will never get to be highly prized or valued by everyone but to some degree, you do get to determine your value in the marketplace. the difference between any other thing that falls under the marketplace and the marketplace for humans is that humans are the only thing that have free will. we are the only known beings capable of conscious thought. self awareness. the beauty of the game is that the game is never just the game. people say it all the time, but people come along all the time and change the game. Right now, the game is not playing the game. the game is being you. a car does not improve over time. a car is not capable of improving over time except in a "oh that car is vintage now so its valuable" way. not so with people. we do not lose value as we age, in fact, if we live right, we gain value, we change, we become smarter, better, wiser, funnier, we just get better in every way if we choose to. how you live your life will greatly determine your value, but you get to choose your value because you get to choose how you live your life. and right now being authentic is in. so be you. real is in. so be real. the best part about this philosophy, you by being the author of your own life, you get to experience the joy and purpose of a conscious direction. ultimately making you happier more attractive to everyone

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hoooly shit, that was a lot of text about nothing.

The car cant get value by itself, you can put effort in improving it, and it works the same way with your body.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You said the same as I did but with far fewer words, thank you 😂

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are welcome ;)

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you choose to improve yourself then you are increasing your real value.

Just like if I buy a car from the scrapyard and restore it, I can resell it for a profit.

But the important part of this is that I have added value by improving something. Whether it's fixing up a car's bodywork and engine or fixing up yourself by exercising and earning more money, you haven't just kept things the way they are and demanded people value them more highly because you say so, you have actually increased the real value.

Look at the OP and you can see the scenarios they're eluding to:

"I'm such a great guy, I'm funny, and nice, and charming. Why won't girls date me?"

"Men are intimidated by a smart, powerful, independent woman! That's why I can't find a real man!"

These are people who are trying to make others value them more highly as they already are because they believe those traits should be valued.

If instead they improved the traits that were actually valued, they would indeed see an improvement.

To go back to my car analogy I might paint my car yellow and put fur all over the interior because I think it increases the value, but most potential buyers will not agree. If instead I improved the performance of the engine and put new leather seats inside, that would gain interest.

[–]MrButtholePoopy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

man just stfu you're wrong.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get off the debate sub then. And learn to use paragraphs while you're at it.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This discussion reminds me of the pay equity farce. Basically, SJWs/feminists imposed wage raises in female dominated fields of the public sector to be in line with what they should be worth rather than what was set in the market.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not what you deserve. It's what you earn.

[–]Iron_Pinecone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I basically agree, however, I think the systems people operate in can be rigged either for or against them. For example, dating and dating advice currently seems geared toward extroverts moreso than introverts.

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't get to determine how attractive you are.

Horseshit, of course you do. Eat right, get sleep, lift, dress well, groom yourself, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Physically unattractive men who believe they "deserve" to have a partner

Its a human need. Everyone should have the right to feel wanted etc.

[–]jonascf0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How would such a right be fulfilled in practical terms?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Won't be, but at least people should acknowledge that it is.

[–]Do_u_kno_da_throaway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of people would rather bitch that life gave them lemons than expend the effort to aquire sugar and water. Hell sometimes even when you do get those things your lemonade comes out tart.

The thing I see the most is oblivious people with zero self-awareness bitching about what they "deserve".

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You do not get to determine how attractive someone else is. You do not get to determine what they deserve.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, you do, but only in a very minuscule way, as you're just one person out of the millions of people who are going to see that person who could be attracted to him or her.

[–]kick6Red Pill Man6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You’re getting it twisted: you do not get to determine how attractive YOU are.

You absolutely get to determine how attractive everyone else is.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So if I meet someone who looks exactly like me I can not say they are attractive or not?

[–]kick6Red Pill Man4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That’s literally not possible. Even identical twins aren’t actually identical. Just take the point, trying to undermine it by inventing impossible hypotheticals is ridiculous.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Can I determine if I am attractive by looking in a mirror?

[–]kick6Red Pill Man2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, you can’t. Attractiveness is what others think about you.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So are people incapable or judging how attractive they are?

[–]kick6Red Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are ways to infer it, but the point OP is making is that generally most people don’t. They just demand that the world find them attractive because of certain traits they possess.

I’ll note that looking in the mirror, as you’ve previously mentioned, is a way of inferring it, but is the second most inaccurate way of doing so. SO inaccurate that my previous statements ring true in practice if not in concept.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You, as who? Sure you can determine if someone is attractive. For you. But that doesn't mean it won;t be subjective opinion. Same with deserving.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin-1 points0 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Act like a king to be treated like a king

[–]kick6Red Pill Man4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That misses part of the point: you have to BE a king AND act like it. Being a pauper and acting like a king is just going to get you laughed at.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Or like a narcissistic megalomaniac.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They're treated like kings because they act like kings

[–]HairbrainerWhy can't we be friends?4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They’re treated like children.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Only if they're powerless

[–]HairbrainerWhy can't we be friends?-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What, in your mind, is acting like a king?

[–]93til1nfinity"Open up bby" - Indian Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doing king stuff...and stuff

[–]Ascimatorsmirks audibly-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why you have to have power matching your narcissistic game.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Are kings dumped? Because if my boyfriend started acting like a king, that's where he'd be.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You'd fall in love with him if he started acting like a king

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I'm in love with him now. I would dump him if he start acting like a king. I am not a subject.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

So we're just going to ignore what my boyfriend is like now, okay. Have fun thinking all women are just into bad boys and nothing else.

[–]93til1nfinity"Open up bby" - Indian Man0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

All women want a KING

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't. Does that make me not a woman?

[–]93til1nfinity"Open up bby" - Indian Man0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Have you have a king before?

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I've had a man who demanded things of me, like I was his subject, so no thanks.

[–]Artpop_Tattooed Red Flag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the surface charm and the fact that people with those traits take better care of themselves. It's possible to be attractive without being dark triad.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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