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I hear it time and time again that good women can't find good men.

If high quality men aren't choosing these women then it means that they aren't high quality.

30 something women who have high paying jobs think they deserve men with high paying jobs. They think they deserve men on their level.

But what if these men don't care about their job. What if they value youth, innocence, and want someone to raise their kids.

That means that these 30 something women are low quality.

High quality men say they want women with low partner counts. Men think that women have who have slept around should not get commitment.

Women on ppd say that women do not lose value by sleeping around. That vaginas don't get looser with many different partners . That just because they slept around doesn't mean they can't be good partners. That men who care about n count are insecure .

But it doesn't matter what women have to say about it. High quality men don't commit to high n count women. To men ..a woman having tons of partners reduces their RMV.

Fat women who think they should be loved at their size. That men should just magically change their preferences so they don't have to put in the work to lose weight.

It doesn't matter what fat women think. High quality men don't choose fat women.

Women can't decide what men should find attractive. Women can't just decide that they are high quality.

edit: im not 12 i know vaginas return to normal size. the point is that it doesn't matter what logical argument you guys bring. guys find sluts icky.


[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and men who aren't high quality men need to accept that they don't seem to know what high quality men want.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP just wants a revenge fantasy world where women are the ones aggressively pursuing him on tinder and he can afford to pick and choose.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (108 children) | Copy Link

If high quality men aren't choosing these women then it means that they aren't high quality.

We all need to realize that high quality is subjective. Maybe I don't want a stiff loser in a suit who only cares about retirement and getting promoted. Maybe I want a broke artist who is passionate and cuddles me between bong sessions.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (89 children) | Copy Link

Yup.

I find it amusing that in a post admonishing women that MEN, not women, get to decide what constitutes a "high-value" woman, we are told:

High quality men don't commit to high n count women.

Who decided that these guys are "high quality" men?

[–]PhucCheet 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Who decided that these guys are "high quality" men?

The "high quality" women are.

The post is about women who declare themselves high quality but can't find guys meeting their checklist of desired qualities and can't figure out why, because they're such a catch. The high quality men are whichever men they want and aren't getting (not necessarily TRP guys or the guys writing the post).

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The post is about women who declare themselves high quality but can't find guys meeting their checklist of desired qualities and can't figure out why, because they're such a catch.

I agree that women who can't get commitment from men they are attracted to or that they personally define as high-value are probably no prize themselves, but this OP is actually not really about them. It seems to be more about telling women what "high-value men," at least defined by OP, find attractive.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

True.

I see many posts by women arguing the same as well.

And many posts by men.

Not a gendered issue here. Just people of whatever sex who can't figure out why they aren't high value, and their ego refusing to accept that the fact that they can't get what they want means they haven't earned it. Kill your ego. Accept the truth.

😂 How many people do you think will do it?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kill your ego. Accept the truth.

😂 How many people do you think will do it?

Depends, how much acid you got?

[–]SilentLurker6660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How many people do you think will do it?

Part of accepting the RedPill is about killing your ego. You'll never get to keep the best girl, so you'll always have to work hard, maintain your frame and your game, and if she leaves you "It's just your turn".

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True that.

Tedious ppd. It's incels all the way around.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...9 points10 points  (78 children) | Copy Link

Who decided that these guys are "high quality" men?

Though the post is a bit of a mess, I assume it's implicit that women did.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (77 children) | Copy Link

Except that men whom women have decided are high-quality commit to high-N women all the time.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"All the time" is a vague and meaningless expression here.

[–]reformedorbiter 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The men that are high 'RMV' tend to want to commit to 23-26 year old women with a certain waist to hip ratio and a youthful appearance, not 30+ women. Do you not have any single 30+ career women in your friends circle?

[–]oceanicallyunbounded 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The 30+ career women in my friends circle are all married or in relationships, I don't see this epidemic of stranded career women outside of ridiculous articles.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah this actually is a revenge fantasy imo. I've not seen it IRL. Career women are often with men who have similar jobs to their own. They meet through work or university. I have never ever met a desperate single career woman in her 30's screaming "where have all the good men gone???" outside of a few stupid Buzzfeed articles.

[–]PowderedButtcheeks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

+1000

[–]SilentLurker6660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And therefore they are high value because they actually commit and don't keep going between relationships and as a result have a high-N count. QED?

[–]reformedorbiter 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

At what age did the 30+ career women who are married marry? When did the relationship begin?

[–]oceanicallyunbounded 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'd say 28-33, generally during or just after MBA.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you're really not living in a bubble 🙄

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I have seen and met and dated and really gotten to know many of such women. And I feel for them. Damn my empathy and nice guy syndrome.

Unfortunately for them, and for me, nobody else cares about them. Not the men who no longer want to date them, nor the women who somehow believe they will gain power if they deny those other icky women exist.

No doubt you would never be friends with such an icky woman. No those women should just not exist.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Nope.

[–]reformedorbiter 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Single 30+ career women are basically the female equivalent of nice guys.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.10 points11 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I don’t have many non-married career women fiends my age, but, of the few I knew who were recently single, they haven’t had all that trouble. The thing is, the few I do know who are now engaged and/or seriously LTR’d (like living together), they are still hot girls. Not sure what it’s like for the same demographic if they are less attractive. Probably significantly more difficult.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

career women fiends

What they fiending for? Haha couldn't resist soz.

they are still hot girls.

I mean yeah they're only in their 30's... honestly the way this sub talks you'd think 30 was 60. They really don't have an accurate image of what 30 looks like. It's not a death sentence.

My doctor for example is in her late 30's or early 40's, can't remember which, and she's had a few kids, but she is hot af and I'd marry her if I could. We'd live happily ever after in a bed of Dexedrine and swim in a pool of Oramorph.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean yeah they're only in their 30's... honestly the way this sub talks you'd think 30 was 60. They really don't have an accurate image of what 30 looks like. It's not a death sentence.

Ikr? 30s is still youngish

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think you're forgetting the majority here is American. And majority America is fat AF.

I don't think I've really comprehended the obesity crisis they have.

Or maybe people are just exaggerating to make a point.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

don’t have many non-married career women fiends

Feudian slip? :D

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha I was drinking

[–]reformedorbiter 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What age are the men they're with? What socioeconomic status?

The 30+ career women I know that can't get a committed partner are chasing men with higher socioeconomic status and sex appeal who are capable of dating 25-30 year old women. The ones that did get married in their 30's all married down to men with lower socioeconomic status.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

One of them I don’t know the dudes SES. The other one, he’s way higher, he’s loaded. I’m sure they could get younger girls but these are the women they’ve chosen.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay?

[–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (36 children) | Copy Link

...men...commit to high-N women all the time.

...always wondered about that scenario - do most women simply omit this information versus an outright declaration of "hey honey, just so you know I've already had sex with 39 other men before you...just so you know."

...or do they just lie by omission because a potential husband or life-mate does not bother to ask? Do these High Value Men even care?

That doesn't seem like a women who is "proud of claiming her sexuality."

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

A lot of “high-value men” - the hedge fund guys, the BigLaw partners, the pro athletes, the men that many WOMEN think are high value - move in circles where it isn’t some kind of hideous taboo for people to have lots of sex. The idea that good-looking lacrosse-playing Wharton grad Chad would give a flying fuck that his fiancée has slept with 15 guys is laughable, especially since his count is probably at least twice that.

Although TRP seems to think that high-value guys are stoic virgin-demanding STEMlords, and women are just too stupid or stubborn to admit it.

[–]damaskrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

stoic virgin-demanding STEMlords

I don't understand where TRP gets the stoicism thing from. If stoicism were attractive to women, they'd hate Italian, Spanish and Latino men...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The natural alphas that I have known have been, hands-down, the most emotionally volatile people I have ever known, and my dad tops the list. Even today, at age 74, and very ill, he still musters enough energy to coast the emotional rollercoaster, albeit not as wildly as 30 years ago.

It goes hand-in-hand with their innate outcome independence. When there's not much you care about, there's not much reason not to let your freak flag fly whenever you please.

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What? The stoics were Latins

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

the hedge fund guys,

You're talking to someone here who works in investment management, doing portfolio management and investment research. Most of the guys in the business, especially the large asset management firms like one that I work at, are far from lecherous pussy hounds (we run mutual funds, hedge fund-like products, the whole shebang for every kind of client out there).

I don't know what kind of bozos you deal with, or pretend to deal with, but the men I know aren't dating former town bicycles. Maybe, maybe some old, washed-up, former sell-siders running mosquito funds out of some basement? I'm further convinced you're "LARPing" (trolling) here.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say "town bicycle." I said that those guys don't care if some woman they are dating or engaged to or married to has a low N or not. There is a lot of room between "virgin" and "town bike."

And you're not the only one who knows people in the business, in spite of your strenuous efforts to act that way. My SIL has worked with C-suite dudes from just about every asset class of every buyside investment platform you can think of for the last 25 years. These men do not have the submissive virgin fixation that terps seem to think that they should.

[–]darla105 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been arguing the same thing in another thread. I"m starting to think it has to do with the man's Ncount more than anything else. I asked my husband if it would have bothered him to marry a woman with a higher Ncount than his. He said, "In my youth, it would have been a big issue". He even admitted to giving his college gf a hard time for having N5 when he only had N3. But he's been with over 40 women in his 45 years and no longer cares....within reason of course. Sis was a bit of a carousel rider in college. She still managed to snag a Princeton man. 20 years, 2 kids and still going strong.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men in general don't have a submissive virgin fixation.

That doesn't mean they (the men you mentioned) are committing to "high N" (undefined) women with any regularity or with the knowledge they are committing to these so-called "high N" women (blind ignorance doesn't prove they don't care).

You're spewing vague claptrap here (hence omitting a "high N" definition and now hiding behind the implied large range), for what reason, I'm not so sure yet, but I've already taken a guess.

Maybe add some detail to this shitposting of yours and it'll make more sense.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe add some detail to this shitposting of yours

Nah.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

IME most guys only get annoyed if the N count is higher than theirs.

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re wrong I think I’d just give up

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever seen high-status, attractive superconservative religious men? I'd bet they might have a submissive virgin fixation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I am the good-looking, lacrosse-playing, grad and I certainly do care where the pussy has been. 15 men is an immediate next. I don't want the garbage that these dudes left behind and I don't have to accept it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Oh, you have a Wharton degree?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I got my degrees in the UK.

[–]ayeayefitlikeBlueish-Purple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

At Oxbridge/Durham/St Andrews/Edinburgh/Exeter? Or it doesn’t matter.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

15 men is an immediate next

lol. Women be lying to guys so much

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They're only lying to themselves. I've been married for 20 years. My wife had an n=1 when I met her when she was 19. If I hadn't met her I would have never married, because as I've said, I don't want what someone was able to give up so easily. The needy validation seeking indicates a damaged woman.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It could be validation seeking or thrill seeking, because ya know, women like sex? It feels good. Damaged women give off way clearer signals than n-counts.

Your wife was low n-count because she was young lol

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah dude these women are delusional

Why wouldn’t a bunch of hyper competitive smart dudes care about that? Makes no sense

[–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

... a lot of women are trying to convince themselves that casual sex with 39 other men before marriage is "no big deal" and men should be lining up to marry these pass-around chicks.

I usually go back and forth with a few comments and sometimes offer supporting evidence about the high divorce rate for carousel women, possible infertility linked to STDs, high STD risks for the man who has sex with these women, the possible abortion(s) these women omitted due to "unplanned pregnancy," and the possibility that children born into a marriage with a promiscuous woman might be someone else's kid(s).

I can account for the occasional exception that a woman might be truly reformed from her past promiscuity, but these few women are rare exceptions.

The conversation usually goes nowhere and I almost always end by wishing them "Good Luck" in their search for "Mr. Wonderful" knowing full well there are very few women who can bounce around to different men in their youth and snag a High Value Brad Pitt/Ryan Gosling or Idris Elba/Chadwick Boseman later in life...

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are they thinking of "high-value guys" from religious or conservative backgrounds? Yes, there are badass men with low n-counts - Charles XII of Sweden, but in modern times? Unless you're religious, if you're very attractive and middle-class and up, you'll probably have a fair number of partners. Is TRP thinking more of Mike Pence types?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

IME, men don’t ask.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't ask either - I would make an estimate based on her overall behavior and what glimpses I get of her past, and apart from that appear non-judgmental and sympathetic so that she comes clean herself (because, believe it or not - people don't want to lie about themselves and their past; they want to be accepted for who they are instead of having to apologize for or denying it).

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean if someone asked I wouldn’t lie, I’m not ashamed. My H asked eventually but that was after we were together for a while.

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

A lot of of women around here seem to define high quality as “a guy who accepts my slutty past”.

And that’s it

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Um no? I’ve never seen anyone say that here.

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see it all the time

Part of being HQ is accepts slutty past

Let’s make a poll

Can a HQ guy prefer low N women? See how it does

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine then show me. Because I’ve been here for three years and never once have seen women here say a high quality man is just a guy who “accepts her slutty past.” If you’ve seen that “all the time” surely it won’t be difficult to find it for me.

Can a HQ guy prefer low N women? See how it does

Yes, he can. But saying many don’t is not the same as saying “that’s what makes him high quality.” Many high value men don’t care, or at least they don’t care enough to do anything about it. That’s not the reason they are high quality and nobody says that. I think it’s just a side effect of being an attractive man with options tbh.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But they can't accept that those men are somehow high quality men. No no, doing you see Arthur? They can't be high value men. No siree. Because the Reddit poster behind the handle can not accept that it is those other men who are high value, or at least possess traits women find valuable.

No don't you see? All teh womenz are brainwashed by the devil!! If the devil didn't seep into their woman brains they would really be attracted to him! Durh like feminism, I mean the devil, only been around like sixty years. Before that women only liked hard working follower nerds who never take chances and always do what they are told. Like every old book I read has women desperate to ravish that young man, who does everything he is told.

[–]S1imdragxn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You sound like a retard pipe down

[–]dakruNeither[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue, to me, seems to be that we are trying to categorize this way in broad strokes. Guy a is high value and girl b is also. As if that's supposed to be universal. What constitutes high value will vary from person to person the same way favorite food and favorite colors do. But within that what is high value to me is solely at my discretion. No one else - man or woman - gets a say in that. The OP makes some relevant points imo, but generalizes roo much.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women do. In this scenario women have classified the men who are interested in them as low quality. High quality men thus belong to the group of men who are not interested in them. Its a decision by elimination.

[–]SilentLurker666-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You made a really good point! If you flip the other side of the token, you'll hear stuff like "behind the success of every man there is a woman", "Incel are low value because they can't get laid", etc, but apparently it's not okay if the gender is reversed.

The truth is that the sexual market is all about supply and demand, and like any other market, demand drives value. Unfortunately, men don't want women with high N count and no social engineering and shaming language can change biological imperative.

[–]indican_king3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I want a broke artist who is passionate and cuddles me between bong sessions.

Where do I find women like this?

[–]GridReXXit be like that10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Brooklyn.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a place/city.......tho its filled with progressives tho.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

We all need to realize that high quality is subjective

It's both objective and subjective.

Pretending like people can't vary quite significantly in value (attractiveness ... or being attractive to x% of the opposite gender) is delusional. If this is true, then attractiveness can be somewhat objectively measured.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's more like high quality ideals are more or less universal. But what that looks like is individual.

• Attractive (what does attractive look like? Subjective)

• Comforting (what constitutes comfort?) • Mature (what mature looks like is subjective) • Good income/background (varies alot depending on the class you're asking) • Loyal (duh right? What about those poly and open peeps?) • enjoyable to spend time with (we all enjoy different things)

It's the details and specifics that people get caught up in.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

There are certain ideals which are not that individual at all. For example, certain male physiques have far stronger consensus preferences from women than others.

Also, if man A is desired by 25% of women while man B is desired by 5% of women, man A is a de-facto a higher-value male.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree. that goes for physique, but personality traits are a bit more complex

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Attractiveness = looks, smarts, personality/character and values (latter is LTRs only and completely subjective). However:

Personality traits to me are the "Big5 +1" : Openness to experience, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, Neuroticism (Emotional Stability) + Honesty/Humility. In that case, I agree, but I believe those personality traits also have the least overall impact on someone's attractiveness, unless they are on the extreme end of things (in which case they are detractors of attractiveness). Honesty/humility in my opinion would be the most impactful (people dislike dishonest people).

What I call character traits would have a larger impact: humor, empathy, kindness, moral integrity, passion/drive ; and for men, for example, also include: courage, assertiveness = attractive masculinity. These are less subjective than the ones above, given the strength of preferences expressed here.

Lasty, "smarts" can be relatively objective, too. A man with competitive, formal higher education, worldly knowledge and a well-paying job at a top-notch firm is going to be more universally attractive than some artsy broke hipster, no matter how much people on here will think otherwise. This is proven in mate-selection research (men with access to resources are generally married/selected over others).

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Those are common attractive traits. Bout how you measure those traits is way more varied person to person. For example a poly person and a mono person can both be seen as "loyal" depending on the person assessing it.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That describes the subjective part of attractiveness, but doesn't take away from the objective parts of attractiveness existing and being important.

[–]LimitedAbilities2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its about local maxima. The set of girls who pursue bohemian pot heads, will on aggregate find approximately the same subset of those men attractive. Those men are the local maxima subset of high quality. Every preference has these local maxima subsets, that could collectively be viewed as the superset of high quality men.

TRP attempts to focus on entering the local maxima of the set that appeals to the largest number of women, a classic male shotgun approach to dating. Of course many women aren't interested in those men, but there's more available partners for men in that set than the more obscure set you may be into.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shhhh you're breaking the One True Ron Swanson fantasy....

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, yes, everything pertaining to relationships is subjective. It ultimately boils down to human beings making decisions based on their preferences.

The thing is that we cannot control most of these preferences. In other words, even though it is subjective, it does not mean that it is something that can be changed at whim. Moreover, subjective sexual desires, when they're fairly universal, do reflect a certain objective biological reality about the sort of partners people prefer.

Everything else being equal, a youthful 20 year old female virgin is much more desirable than a used-up 30 year old woman looking to settle down. Everything else being equal, a tall, dominant, assertive man is more desirable than nerdy dude. From the perspective of evolutionary psychology, both of these things are easily explainable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“You are all equally worthless in my eyes”

[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's subjective but majority of men adhere to the same subject

[–]Noxin__NixonPillPoppa0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you paying for all the weed for the broke artist?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex and free weed now that is the dream.

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So I don't disagree with, but I would like to add that you also don't get to decide what high quality men want. Or even who these high quality men are. You only get to decide your own standards. If a high quality man (however that is defined and by whoever) decides he's okay with a chuddy, old, high N count, or whatever girl that's his choice. Not yours.

That vaginas don't get looser with many different partners .

That's a factually true statement. The vagina doesn't get looser with multiple partners. Or devolop beef curtains while we are at it. Those are biological facts and it didn't matter what either gender of any quality says about it.

[–]concacanca8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

All true. OP was onto something until he started bringing shit women's anatomy into it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don’t even get men who think that way (ie it’s diff partners which do this). They must be young?

[–]concacanca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry I don't quite get what you are saying.

Yeah I guessed OP was young from that part though.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s an incel thing. They tell each other this actively. They claim it’s a joke, but if it’s getting posted here presumably in good faith it seems some of them believe it anyway...

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean it must be. If you’ve ever had any sort of long-term sexual relationship with a woman you’d know this isn’t true.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or basic understanding of biology. If our bodies sagged and loosened every time we used them, I don’t wanna know what my asshole would look like, by now. I’ve eaten a lot of meat in my life lol.

[–]exhibitionistcouplezEverything I Know I learned from group sex20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

nooo you're missing the point of that entirely.

There is not a surplus of high quality men who women are ignoring or who are ignoring women. There is a surplus of low quality men that no one wants.

Like, you're focusing on jobs. It's not about jobs. More than half of millenials are living paycheck to paycheck. It's more important that the relationship be stable and happy so that you can survive poverty together than it is to find a guy with a high paying job because there straight up are not enough high paying jobs going around for most people to have access to one and we've adapted to that.

You missed your mark on something.

You talk about high quality men and how they get to determine what makes a low or high quality woman. But the thing is, that women are doing the same thing. And that guy with money and no soul who wants a young naive fucktoy who doesn't know what a prenup is or why there's a cheating clause that basically says even if he cheats she still gets nothing is no longer a high quality guy to women.

Oh, sure, some low quality predatory golddigger no one wants to deal with will jump on him.

But the girls who want to raise a family?

They're out studying about abusive relationships and control and things like financial abuse that make them avoid the guy you say is high value, and suddenly his status doesn't mean a whole hell of alot to a significant portion of the dating population.

What you're missing is that women are not complaining that they don't meet standards dude.

They are complaining that they can't find a man anywhere who meets theirs. Complaining that they really don't feel they can lower their standards any more without settling for a relationship that will make them miserable because the guy is a shithead.

Fat women will happily date a fat dude if he's good boyfriend material

Like that used to be a popculture phrase. Boyfriend material

And now it's like you guys have forgotten that such concepts exist entirely.

And if you think rich guys don't settle down with sluts you should meet some of the swingers I know. Like, contrary to what you think most people don't care about partner counts like they used to. No man in his 30s dating women 21 and up expects virginity and plenty of us like dating sluts. Though sluts and slut preferrers are a minority, we do match up quite well and for every slut out there there's at least one guy who's she's just his type of slut and will happily wife her.

[–]ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is full of self-proclaimed male sluts who wouldn't marry female sluts

Pure Hypocrisy and recipe for bad relationship

[–]Archibald_Andino3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that guy with money and no soul who wants a young naive fucktoy who doesn't know what a prenup is or why there's a cheating clause that basically says even if he cheats she still gets nothing is no longer a high quality guy to women

lmao

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Man sometimes I feel like most of the people on this thread are social incompetents who think dating is like a linear video game level. Then someone goes and drops an actual reality bomb like this one and I remember why I still read these threads. Thank you.

[–]exhibitionistcouplezEverything I Know I learned from group sex2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

=)

[–]MorpheusGodOfDreamsCaught Red Handed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like that used to be a popculture phrase. Boyfriend material

BETA BUX

[–]damaskrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Men decide women's SMV/RMV, but women decide the female pecking order. And women care more about climbing the pecking order than they care about being attractive to men.

This should be obvious from their fashion choices. Do women think men like high-waisted jorts, power brows and blue/purple lipstick? No, of course not. They just care more about looking fashionable (to women) than looking attractive (to men).

Of course they shouldn't complain if men don't find them attractive, because it was their choice. But I don't actually see many women doing that.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, and it is similar with men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

women decide the female pecking order. And women care more about climbing the pecking order than they care about being attractive to men.

Good point

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Men decide women's SMV/RMV, but women decide the female pecking order. And women care more about climbing the pecking order than they care about being attractive to men.

Do women think men like high-waisted jorts, power brows and blue/purple lipstick? No, of course not. They just care more about looking fashionable (to women) than looking attractive (to men).

High-waisted jorts are attractive (certainly better than, say, sweatpants), and men don't care particularly much about lipstick colour.

Women do care about being attractive to men. They also care about appearing "attractive" to other women, but this competitiveness between females is rooted in a desire to be sexually desirable to men.

Think about it this way: let's suppose tomorrow every man died, and only women were left on the planet. Would women still be inclined to wear make up? Would they still care as much as they do about their looks? Would anorexia even exist? Would women still want to wear skirts and short-shorts late in the night when the temperature is rather cold?

It all boils down to sex appeal.

But I don't actually see many women doing that

Many do. You can find various articles online of women lamenting. And this Ted Talk is pretty funny.

[–]damaskrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Would women still be inclined to wear make up?

Of course. Women would still care about being stylish, and makeup is a big part of that. But they wouldn't care as much about weight or age.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Of course. Women would still care about being stylish, and makeup is a big part of that. But they wouldn't care as much about weight or age.

Hell no. I completely disagree. They certainly wouldn't wear make up. Make-up exists to bolster sex appeal. And it's quite powerful in that regard.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Self-adornment is probably the oldest female human practice there is. If men vanished tomorrow, women would still adorn themselves, including with makeup.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would, I wear makeup to go to brunch with my GFs or the grocery store even though I have no intention to be getting a bunch of male attention. Not a ton of makeup, but enough for me to feel presentable in public/accentuate my features.

[–]ayeayefitlikeBlueish-Purple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Personally, I wear makeup very rarely - but it’s going out with my girls friends I wear it, not to impress my guy.

He doesn’t care, and if anything prefers me without as he doesn’t get makeup on his face when he kisses me - but the girls always look stunning all made up so I’m motivated to look just as good

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of looks in /r/makeupaddiction that are purely based on trend, not heightening attractiveness. I honestly don't know any men that would say they like instagram brows, black lipstick, blinding highlight, or some of the other popular makeup trends that veer towards artistic than attractive. They might not mind it on girls they otherwise find attractive, but I doubt any are going to say they prefer it to a natural or enhanced makeup look.

I would definitely go more flamboyant with my makeup if I knew I wouldn't be judged by males (or insufferable old ladies).

[–]justhanging925 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol you’re delusional if you think women will stop wearing make up. Girls from a young age show interest in make up and I really doubt it’s because they want to increase sex appeal to the boys their age.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's because they're conditioned to wearing make-up from society (which ultimately is composed of the adults they're interacting with, as well as cultural factors, e.g., what they're exposed to on TV).

So the question is, why is there this particular cultural norm for women to wear make-up? Men certainly don't wear make up. Human beings have not evolved to wear make up. The reason this norm exists is because attractive women are valued in society. A woman's looks gets her places a man's looks wouldn't. Women, as a whole, are aware of that, and so they collectively choose to emphasize and modify their physical appearance, often competing with each other in the context (which is why women tend to be judgemental to each other).

Why is all of this? Well, it ultimately boils down to sex appeal. Society wouldn't place nearly as much emphasis as it does on a woman's looks if there wasn't a sexual aspect. The incentive would cease to exist.

You need to look at the broader picture, beyond these individual cases of women who claim not be wearing make-up for men. At a deeper, societal level, it ultimately does boil down to sex appeal.

[–]justhanging920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, kids like to emulate the adults, but from a young age there is difference between how the genders act even without the influence of society. Women always want to look pretty for one another and male attention doesn’t always factor into that. You say it’s individual cases of women saying this but it’s a whole group of them who you don’t believe.

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This comment deserves more love.

Good analysis.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for acknowledging the grotesque ness of high waisted shorts , ugh

The “women care more about pecking order than being attractive to men” is a very compelling OP unto itself I wish you’d make. I’d actually hypothesize women’s desires for men frequently and heavily play into that pecking order more heavily than genuine attraction .

[–]tiposkChad Thundercock: the story of a manospherian homoerotic fantasy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d actually hypothesize women’s desires for men frequently and heavily play into that pecking order more heavily than genuine attraction .

I didn't want to participate in the discussion, but your comment caught my attention. I think that self-esteem is essential to our well-being, and that unfortunately, it's heavily based on how we measure up to culturally accepted standards. Therefore, status (or our perception of it) is what drives many of the things we do and "desire".

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider18 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That vaginas don't get looser with many different partners .

Of course it doesnt. Vagina goes back to its original shape after birth, let alone some dick, and I believe a baby is way heavier and bigger than your average dick.

That just because they slept around doesn't mean they can't be good partners.

So, women are born good partners and by having relationships they lose this quality? Color me shocked.

That men who care about n count are insecure .

Proven to be the case numerous times. What you say doesnt matter.

Men think that women have who have slept around should not get commitment.

Those arent the men women want. If women actually did what these men wanted, we wouldnt have manosphere where these same men complain 24/7. Nonsense.

What if they value youth, innocence, and want someone to raise their kids.

Hey, '50s are calling, want their joke back. Keep up with the current trends, will you?; women wont drop off college and quit jobs to be barefoot in the kitchen. Like some homeslave.

What do you bring to the table to deserve a woman with looks, innocence (so, virgin), etc??

[–]BewareTheOldMan3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What do you bring to the table to deserve a woman with looks, innocence (so, virgin), etc??

Isn't the idea that the man (demanding a virgin, looks, high SMV/RMV potential, etc.,) is bringing the same qualities or better?

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, no. If that were the case, they would've been paired up and we would be talking about stuff other than some hypothetical woman's n count.

[–]OfSpock11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

According to red pill, some old boring guy with money and a high N count is what she is looking for.

[–]ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not even money. Just being "alpha" ie a TRP cult member.

[–]BewareTheOldMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt that's the case, but I see your sarcasm though...

Nice work.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure sure supply and demand etc but

That vaginas don't get looser with many different partners

They don’t. Childbirth is pretty much the only thing that will permanently change the structure of the vagina. And now you know 🌈

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The percentage of high quality men is pretty low, most women are going for middling quality anyway so no worries.

[–]GridReXXit be like that14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that the the buyer determines the value.

That said there’s a big gap between what people want ideally and what they accept or who they actually end up having the most chemistry.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well, i mean, women dont HAVE to do anything at all, theyll just get the consequences of not adhering to what men find attractive

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

30 something women who have high paying jobs think they deserve men with high paying jobs.

Oddly it doesn't seem to be the case. It's mostly poor white trash women who think they deserve a high quality man. They have it stuck in their heads that getting hit up for sex= they are quality

[–]fatalcharm5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This has been my experience too. Women who have higher incomes are able to provide for themselves and have no need for a man with a high income. They tend to look for companions, rather than providers. They will choose a man with a lower income and more free time over a man with higher income and less free time. Women with lower incomes look for providers rather than companions. Of course, there are always exceptions but this is something I have noticed.

[–]pinkgoldrose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Meanwhile, actual high quality men like Prince Harry marry 36 year old divorcee roasties. But sure. You're "high value". And women "care about what you think".

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol people are using the word “roastie” on purple pill now? You do realize if you refer to women by their “roast beef” genitals it’s really hard to take anything you say seriously, right?

[–]Nu_Guy9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, This is the same for both genders.

"Men need to accept that women decide what makes a man " high quality/value "

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, but Reddit already knows this. It needs no repeating.

[–]Nu_Guy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reddit knows the topic of this post already also.

[–]TomeofBlood4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women decide that for men too. The crux of a man's value is his ability to attract women. It's called fitness for a reason.

[–]ellieectrode4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I kinda went career women because my needs for a male partner are that he look nice and gives good sex and cuddles. Didn't want to have to compromise on that for practical things like whether he can support a family with his earnings. Seems to be working out.

But I've never been that permanently single woman always complaining about being a catch but never having a man. Those chicks do come off as narcissists who can't see what about their personalities is such a huge turnoff even though it's obvious to others.

I see the perma-singles as a result of rampant cultural narcissism rather than some kind of gendered ranking system as you describe, OP. Narcissism isn't just for the ladies, however, the whole concept of a sexual market is pure narcissist fuel for men imagining that sex is equivalent to a type of ranked capitalistic exchange of which some and not others can rise to the top. So you guys and the permanently single chicks are meant for each other.

[–]fatalcharm3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. Men get to decide who a high quality woman is, just like women get to decide who a high quality man is.

Unfortunately for terpers, they believe that they are the ones who get to decide who a high quality man is and quite often are way off. They might seem high quality to each other, but unless you are gay then it really means nothing.

So both men and women often get it wrong. They aren't listening to the opposite sex. They keep fighting against each other, rather than working together. As a result we have too many low quality men and women walking the earth, and not enough high quality men and women.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

There are so many elements to value that it’s ridiculous.

If my female sexual partner had just a few (low N) prior partners - maybe she wouldn’t be as good in bed. Or as in touch with her own sexuality. Or understand that making Love means cuddles after. If she was thinner than she is maybe I would enjoy looking at her. If she was fatter I certainly wouldn’t.

If she had nothing to talk about after sex beyond “whatcha thinking” - I would have been long gone.

But who knows. Maybe if I wasn’t 10 years older and and inch shorter than her - I’d be banging someone hotter.

.... who cares what other people think ??

[–]MyPasswordisPutin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Wait?? Is your gf chubby??

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Lol. No

She is about 25% bf.

[–]MyPasswordisPutin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I’m jking Dr.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm.

Consider that I didn’t catch that lol

😇

[–]MyPasswordisPutin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think that I shall never see

A plate as lovely as pottery

A plate that lifts her arms to pray

And looks at Dawn all day

A plate that in summer may

Envy majolica or Spode or Rosenthal

A plate upon who’s bosom I have lain

Who lives intimately with disdain

Plates are made by fools like me

But God devised that must be shattered crockery

😂😂😂😂

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh Damn. That’s good!

Never will I see a plate

Of which- of late - I’ve ate

As more than faux China white

In that I shall delight.

And shelves I’ll pack with thee

My crockin’ pottery !

Oh hues of white

Oh tinges Gold!

Oh deep and shallow hues of Bronze of old !

But never shall I eat of these -

If they shan’t be as smooth and bright

As that first day on hither shelf did they alight

[–]MyPasswordisPutin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Aww!! Super!! That’s so well done! You so smart! Lol

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

And - no English degree ! I is de smartest!!

[–]MyPasswordisPutin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Lol 🏆

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

OK, it's decided then

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Meeting adjourned, let's all go home and enjoy the weekend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

But i gotta work this weekend ☹️

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, you stay back and figure this whole thing out. We'll be back on Monday.

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

:(

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's ok. I only work three days next week 😛

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

:(

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you don't think that the social pressure works on developing young men's minds at all regarding what they should consider high quality and low quality?

[–]bagoonga5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No one decides value because people vary. If you look at humans as individuals instead of straining to dichotomize their entire nature based on their sex, it's a lot easier to see.

What one person likes is high value to them. That's it. High value exists in the relation of a person and a thing they find valuable. It does not exist externally. Unfortunately, people end up confused and think that a bunch of people finding the same thing to be valuable is the same as the value existing intrinsically in the thing.

A fat woman is high value to a man who is into fat women. A skinny guy has no value to a woman who are not into skinny guys. No one has the right preference, they just have their own. It's right to them because they like it and wrong to others because they don't.

No one decides what is high value but individuals for themselves.

[–]Yourstruly7771 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah this is a cop out. Of course people have individual preferences but beauty is generally not in the eye of the beholder.

[–]bagoonga3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. Your preferences overlapping with other people's doesn't mean your preferences are objective somehow.

[–]bagoonga2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. Your preferences overlapping with other people's doesn't mean your preferences are objective somehow.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

...so who does decide what I find beautiful if it’s not me? I pretty much hate most people. I don’t give a shit what they think. When I find a rare person here or there that I come to actually value, it’s generally because their personality grew on me and I came to appreciate and admire them instead.

Your ideas about people seem to be based more on inexperience than actuality. Going to art school was by far the best experience for me, as I got to meet people who mostly felt the same. Visuals are temporary. And my opinion on people’s looks tends to be more geared around what they choose to do with their meatsuit rather than what it looks like independently.

[–]Yourstruly7771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You get to decide what you consider beautiful of course. You can also choose to hate all people if that is your preference.

Most people don’t hate everyone else though. (Google: ”I’m ok You’re ok”).

Most people can also agree on what is commonly considered beautiful. A sunset, a Victorias model, a piece of music, whatever.

You are free to disagree. I could hold the opinion that Hyundai is a luxury car, but I wouldnt expect people to agree.

[–]PowderedButtcheeks3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men need to accept that there are women who aren't gonna play your foolish games and walk around with their head hanging down just because some self-entitled pricks on the internet said they are worth less than some fantasy they have concocted in their collective heads. Look around. Look at all the fat women rocking wedding bands. Look at all the 'older' women walking around with a beau.

If YOU value certain things, that's fine. But to make a thing of it as if it applies to all men, everywhere, is ignorant. Ironically, it really doesn't matter what YOU say, because the women you find undesirable get men anyway if they want one. You seem to be mad about this? And maybe, little boys like yourself are considered 'low value' to a woman who is full grown and wants real masculine energy in her life, not a overcompensating, bumbling pretendo?

I know you redpills think that it's a mega challenge for a fat chick, a chick past 30, etc to get a man. And this is why I just laugh I know you boys are shut-ins on the damn computer if you truly believe this dumb shit about women...or just hating that even the 'ugliest' chick, has a higher chance of getting booed/wifed up than the average man does.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i'm talking about the women who say they can't find good men but claim that they are good themselves . not the ones who have found good men.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The proof is in the pudding, indeed.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I agree with the sentiment? I think? But the wording is so off putting and repelling that you're gonna scare everyone off from your view.

[–]PumpkinspiceZeus691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue comes from girls being treated as if they are perfect at literally every stage of their life and then walking into the real world where 90% of guys couldn't care less about them. Personally I think everyone bases their "quality" off of what they think they are supposed to like during crucial years and that becomes what they imagine high quality is and it becomes a sort of self fulfilling cycle.

I have grown up in a awkward position, alot of the females I have been around consider me high quality because of my physical traits and my personality being both focused on my ambition and paradoxically laid back because life isn't worth taking so seriously you miss out on enjoying it. But at the same time alot of these girls , while I'm friends with, I would never date because of their attitudes and thinking they are perfect and everyone needs to confirm to what they want.

Also when it comes to n count it matters to me because if it's that easy to get with them then obviously they don't view me as special (when everyone is "special" no one is) or at least mathematically I'm not anymore special than the dozens of guys they have already been with. Not only that if they are "easy" logically that means the likelihood they will cheat on me or leave me for another sexual partner is higher than a girl with low n count.

And before anyone gets to calling me a hypocrite yes MY n count is lower than 20 because it's not easy to convince me to lower my value for a girl with high n count. I can find a girl physically attractive but if she has slept with 50 guys mentally I'm checking out and moving on

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't care what quality men in general see me as, only my current lovers. Quality is subjective anyway... what is high quality to one person may be low to another.

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[–]Lolashaulke1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why did this need to be stated? The customer is always right about what the customer wants. If a man or woman can't attract the mate they want to with what they have to offer, they cant afford it with their current value.

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ok

[–]TheBookOfSeilCuckleberry Finn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Value is mostly subjective so why bother talking about it like it’s some objective form of reality that anyone can point out?

Both sides decide who is “high value” because we all subjectively assign a different “value” to everyone. Our bodies are programmed to like and dislike certain features and characteristics, and they’re not all the same.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women can't decide what men should find attractive. Women can't just decide that they are high quality.

is the gold in your post.

Just about every other line in there is the sort of thing that's likely going to vary enough in your own life so as to render the generic assertion pretty much dead weight.

[–]themoderationPeople Over Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if I want to fuck you. Which I don’t.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You straight people are so weird with all this thought policing.

Women don’t have to “accept” anything. Why do you care? I’m bi and I’ve dated both men and women. There isn’t a lot of differences. Some have higher sex drives than others; some prefer specific types of sex over others - there isn’t a huge gender correlation.

What people find attractive, that feature is valuable to them. Sometimes the features they find attractive in their own gender, they’re lucky enough to express that feature themselves. Other times, they slowly develop a fondness for features that are generally considered negative, because they grow to value its rareness (like a certain mole or birthmark.)

I personally like my nose, even though it’s huge. I even got it pierced to draw more attention to it. I also love being short (5’6) and lean (130 lbs) because it makes rock climbing/bouldering and long distance running easier, because my body is so lightweight. I value these things about MYSELF. If someone wants to date me, I don’t ultimately care if they value these things as much as I do, but if those are turn-offs for them, then I probably wouldn’t want to date them in the first place.

It honestly sounds like OP’s problem is that he doesn’t understand how self-esteem works. I’ll never understand how some people see a person liking themselves and thinking they deserve as high a standard of living as anyone else, and somehow come away thinking “How DARE they. I think low of them so they should think low of themselves!”

[–]rulenumber3030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, the weekly attempt to improve things for low quality men by encouraging women to attempt to compete like crazy for high quality men.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

edit: im not 12 i know vaginas return to normal size.

This is a throw-away post for me to disagree with this "common knowledge". My evidence is only anecdotal in that Chinese girls who are born and raised in China have tight pussies and Chinese girls who live in Canada have loose pussies.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's something in the water, I think.

[–]newName543456went volcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah.

And women decide what makes men high value.

But they don't do so on reddit comment chains, they do so pursuing specific men IRL. Highly sought after males are high value ones, simple as that, even if their social standing isn't high otherwise.

If your sensitive empathetic male friend doesn't get any action, but his drug dealer douche friend does, the latter is a high value one.

[–]Feiebee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO, I think a similar message would be this:

Don't tell men that they should like obese people. Don't tell men that they should enjoy your 'freedom' hair. Don't tell men that they should accept if you have genitals that they're uncomfortable with. Don't tell men that you're out of their league, or they're lucky.

We all have our preferences, and whether those are emotional, physical, sexual or mental, we should be able to choose who we love, and the type of people that we love. It's not anyone's place to dictate how they choose to show their love, not as a man, woman or non-binary person.

You have to make an effort for the people you want to notice you.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

The frustrating thing to me is that women are allowed to judge men based on sexual history, but men are not allowed to judge women's sexual history. It is inappropriate to reject a woman with a high n-count ("slut-shamer, what's wrong with you, you misogynist"), but it is entirely appropriate for a woman to reject male virgins ("nice guys aren't entitled to anything, my body my choice muahahaha") .

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, its usually the guys who ask the number , women so-so. At least women I know, and myself.

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My ex-wife asked me. I carried a notebook around for a week writing down the names (or sometimes just descriptions if I couldn't remember her name) of the less memorable ONS as they popped back into my memory. I think she was sorry she asked.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is that the reason she an ex?:))

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No -- she found a richer guy (classic hypergamy//AWALT).

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh..

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm more likely to negatively judge a guy for a high n count than for virginity.

[–]Doom_and-Gloom-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

No, you're not.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Lol sure.

My boyfriend was a virgin and I love it.

[–]Doom_and-Gloom-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

When you were both what, in your early teens?

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

18 lol.

But in the event we weren't together now, I'd still prefer a virgin over a high N count guy.

[–]Yourstruly7770 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

A virgin guy at 30 would be weird and low value.

A guy without children at 40? Something is wrong here as well.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

In a way I'd rather trade 'high value' of a man who has a lot of sex with the emotional simplicity and comfort of a virgin. I consider past partners baggage.

So the mo partners, mo problems.

[–]Yourstruly7770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that. Personally, I would probably feel the same if I was a girl.

Baggage isn’t all bad though. I handled my first few relationships with the maturity of a 5 year old.

I also hang with a group of ”single guys” who have no kids. They are in their late 30’s and still party on weekends. High earners, good looking, social, MGTOW if you will.

Some would consider them undateable because they have no kids or long relationships in their ”history”. I get that too.

[–]Doom_and-Gloom-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But in the event we weren't together now, I'd still prefer a virgin over a high N count guy.

No, you wouldn't. I mean, I don' t know how old you are now, but male virginity is never attractive. Sure, we're all virgins at some point, but once you're in your 20s it really starts to stick out.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop telling me what I would want.

I'm saying a man who has had lots of sex disgusts me, and a virgin is preferable to that.

[–]Doom_and-Gloom-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm saying a man who has had lots of sex disgusts me, and a virgin is preferable to that.

And I'm saying you're a liar, and I'll keep saying because it's true.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course men are allowed to. Go ahead do it

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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