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A common trope on here is that the bottom percentage of men will never be subject to authentic female attraction. The percent of men differs, but this can range from the bottom 80% of men to the bottom 10% of men, depending. Generally speaking, however, it is largely agreed upon that large swaths of men will never be wanted sexually by women, the way they want women. This post doesn't refute that idea, but it may provide some solace to such men.

Just like a large bottom percent of men will never be wanted sexually by women they way they desire, the bottom percent of women will never known the heights of heterosexual male love

A lot of men on here like to use the woman vs. car analogy, so I will too. When you buy your dream car, you clean and wax it every week, you service it more often than is necessary, you fix any little dent on your bumper, you agonize over the smallest scrape. Nobody does that for the 2006 Ford Escort you got off of craigslist for 20% below KBB. Now, you don't hate that Ford Escort, it gets you from point A to point B, it does what it should, it's yours, you even enjoy driving it on occasion, when the windows can come down and your favorite song is on. But you don't love that Ford Escort, and you don't love it because you don't act like you love it

The wise menu once said on here that all you are to other people is the space you take up. With that sentiment in mind, I'd take another step and say that love isn't something that exists in your mind, something you can open up a window on your head dome and show to other people. Love is the sum of your actions or behaviors towards the person you love. Nothing more or less

When men talk about how they would be "willing to take" a 5/10 woman it is analogous to what they perceive as being "Beta Bucks". Sure, they'll want to fuck that 5/10 when he's horny and she's getting in the shower, but would he treat her like that dream car? No. That privilege is reserved for all the women who occupy most of his attention, who he perceives as with men who wouldn't treat her as well as he would.

A quick look around at couples in real life reveals this. Unattractive men are not going starry eyed over their unattractive partners, they rarely go above the call of duty for them, compliment them, sacrifice for them, buy them gifts, etc. And most men have a "one who got away" who is either the hottest or second hottest chick he ever landed, who he did these things for, but is afraid or ashamed of the idea of being in that same position with a lesser woman.


[–]theambivalentrooster29 points30 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Love is the sum of your actions or behaviors towards the person you love.

Very salient point. Which is also why duty is an important component of long-lasting love and relationships. It's not just the temporary hormonal highs and lows.

[–]LyaninaBlue Pill6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I really liked that sentence.

[–]Lovemesometoasts6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

me too, this line kinda hurts to read because someone I really love used to say he loves me but his actions never show anything of the sort

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

So, love is about performance and rating said performance against a comparison of other men expressing their love to the women in their lives.

[–]theambivalentrooster6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, no.

But I'm curious, how do you define love?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Unconditional deep affection such as mother and child, father and child, grandparent and grandson, etc. but also tempered with a degree of absence so as not to smother the object of one's love.

[–]theambivalentrooster10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Unconditional love is idiotic and terrible for a relationship.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Unless it's your Dog, dogs deserve unconditional love.

[–]theambivalentrooster4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why does your dog deserve unconditional love? The only reason it loves you is because you feed it and walk it. The dog can easily love someone else who does the sam for it.

[–]theambivalentrooster4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Gentlemen of the Jury: The best friend a man has in the world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has, he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us, may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads.

The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog. A man's dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer. He will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounters with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings, and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.

If fortune drives the master forth, an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him, to guard him against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and death takes his master in its embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by the graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad, but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even in death.

George Graham Vest - c. 1855

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is that a real closing?

[–]theambivalentrooster2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

George Graham Vest - c. 1855

Supposedly, yes, in Burden v. Hornsby and won his client $50 for the death of his dog.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lord Bryon said something similar.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

so, by that logic, love is about performance.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

[–]rreliable26 points27 points  (59 children) | Copy Link

If an ugly woman makes an effort not to be a vile person, acts and dresses feminine, and accepts that she needs to select a man not ridiculously far above her league in looks, she'll quickly find men, and will be husbanded up rapidly.

Every ugly woman I have ever known who was in a happy, stable relationship was pleasant and agreeable.

I have never met a pleasant, agreeable woman who wasn't able to get a man. I knew one really ugly chick with thick facial hair, but she was great company and an all-round good person. But she used to complain about not being able to get a boyfriend. Now she's married to another woman, after her religious father passed away.

If you can't get an LTR, and you're a woman dating within your looks league, it's your personality.

Get nicer, or get nine cats.

[–]pinkgoldrose9 points10 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

If an ugly woman makes an effort not to be a vile person, acts and dresses feminine, and accepts that she needs to select a man not ridiculously far above her league in looks, she'll quickly find men, and will be husbanded up rapidly.

I wasn't vile, I dressed up in nice clothes, and I selected men well below my league, but these men made no effort whatsoever to contribute to the relationship and they didn't care enough to want to marry me (that second part might have been because we were still young). It was like dating a bag of sand. They would never buy gifts, never make plans, never pay for dates. They didn't groom themselves, didn't exercise, didn't eat healthy, didn't wear real clothes, made no effort to be social or pleasant, had no ambition, showed no interest in my life. They were just bags of sand eating nachos in front of a computer never wanting to do anything except sex.

Outside of reddit, young guys don't worry that women are scarce. If they get with one that isn't a 10/10 in beauty, they are just "meh", even the lowly men (most men are hypergamous anyway). It's never hard to get a boyfriend. But he will treat you poorly and he will be dissatisfied with you (men's satisfaction with a partner is a direct function of their partner's attractiveness). He will stay with you for sex as long as he cannot get a hotter girl to sleep with him, but that's it. I think older men might at least want to settle down with someone, but they still won't put anything near the effort they would put into dating the 10/10 all men think they deserve.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't vile, I dressed up like I needed to, and I selected men well below my league

You sure you don't need glasses? How can you assess your own league when the men you can get are men ''well below my league?'' really now? Back in college there were girls so hot they made guys who looked like they came out of Wonder woman's vayjay chase after them and humilate them, and you're telling me you selected men below 5/10 and they treated you like shit?

Can I interest you on a bridge I have to sell?

, young guys don't worry that women are scarce. If they get with one that isn't a 10/10 in beauty, they are just "meh", even the lowly men (most men are hypergamous anyway).

Young guys don't worry that women are scarce. How does that one work? Basing this on our current dating model of one woman for one man, how exactly would young guys not worry that women are scarce? Do young men share women? Like, Linda gets fucked by John on monday and then by Richard on thursday and dudes are fine with it?

If they get with one that isn't a 10/10 in beauty, they are just "meh", even the lowly men (most men are hypergamous anyway).

Young men are fine with dating women they aren't attracted to.. but most men are hypergamous. Wouldn't that mean most young men wouldn't be fine dating someone in their own league or below?

Are you feeling okay??

It's never hard to get a boyfriend. But he will treat you poorly. I think older men might at least want to settle down with someone, but they still won't put anything near the effort they would put to date the 10/10 all men think they deserve.

hahah. All the average women I know are well-treated by their boyfriends and the men certainly aren't leagues and worlds below their league. Women who get treated badly by their boyfriends huh.. I don't want to be rude.

[–]pinkgoldrose9 points10 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't that mean most young men wouldn't be fine dating someone in their own league or below?

Yes exactly. 3/10 men date 5/10 women who have better jobs, better social skills, give them all the sex, etc. and still consider themselves unlikely they can get Stacy. While they showered Stacy with gifts and favors, they do none of that for their girlfriend. They only stay with their girlfriend for sex as long as they can't get sex with a hotter woman (which might be forever). They'll still orbit some Stacy hoping she sleeps with them.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I think you have just terrible standards mate. Dating down in looks doesn't automatically mean you'll be dating up in terms of treatment. You picked losers and got loser treatment.

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Well yes in retrospective I realize that the guy who eats cheetos and smoke weed is unlikely to put any effort in anything, including relationships, but I'm a pretty ugly woman, so I took what I thought I could reasonably expect.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as you learned from the experience it wasn't completely wasted time.

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[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'd love to, but my city is super white.

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[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I'm sorry, did I say I had trouble finding a boyfriend? I was saying I have no trouble, but they treat me like shit. One of them was Peruvian and unemployed. I was in med school. Just to give you an idea of how far I was already willing to date down. I wasn't exactly classist.

The reality is that low quality guys are low quality. They won't magically make great boyfriends.

[–]Hal_Inceldenza1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes exactly. 3/10 men date 5/10 women

I've often read posts of you on /r/braincels and you always argued pretty reasonable. But I'm curious how your subjective rating system works. I mean there's obviously no completely objective scale to rate people's looks but I'd like to know what an average man (5/10) looks like on your personal scale. Maybe post a pic or just use some celebrity as an example.

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Bullshit. 3/10 men NEVER EVER date 5/10 women, and if they do, it never lasts. A man can't even fucking get on the radar screen of a woman above his SMV level. She doesn't even see him.

I don't believe for one minute that 5s are giving male 3s the time of day, much less dating them. Bullshit.

[–]void_magic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A 5 without make up is probably a 2.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

There is no such thing as male hypergamy. Men optimize but they are not hypergamous.

[–]darla101 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

optimize = save the real love for the hot girls + sprinkle some duty love on the ugos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's not "love" at all - chase the hotties for sex, use uggos as booty calls and FwBs/fuckbuddies.

[–]darla100 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

yeah but they are married/LTR to the ugos.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you mean "duty sex"? If you mean go through the motions of relationshippy things, then yes, men do "duty love". There are some relationshippy things I hate. Buying cards. Buying gifts for every stupid goddamn holiday (my wife was a elementary schoolteacher, so all the cultural holidays are important. St. Patrick's Day gifts? Columbus Day cards? Independence Day gift cards?)

[–]darla101 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Woah. That is hysterical. Have you ever bought her a cultural holiday card and put something flirty but inappropriate in it? "Happy Columbus Day. Get ready to have your territories invaded." That would be a fun surprise.

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I just HATE buying greeting cards, Hallmark cards. I hate it. Mrs. Cross prides herself on finding just the right card for everyone. Every year for Valentine's Day I receive a very nice card from her that cost $5.95 that I read once and go "aww, thank you honey" and then I throw it away. The kids get one from her too along with a gift.

Total waste. I think greeting cards are a total waste of time and money. I estimate every year Mrs Cross spends about $100 on greeting cards, Xmas cards, birthday cards, etc.

[–]darla100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why I find this so funny and cute. Come on Pem, $100 a year seems like a drop in the bucket when you calculate the emotional ROI.

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I estimate every year Mrs Cross spends about $100 on greeting cards, Xmas cards, birthday cards, etc.

Ah fuck that's funny :D

[–]rreliable0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But he will treat you poorly and he will be dissatisfied with you

There are tens of millions of men who have never been anyone's boyfriend, and would relish the opportunity to treat you the way you tell him you want to be treated, within the bounds of reason.

[–]pinkgoldrose5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but one person doesn't go through millions of collisions. A shy-ish woman whose looks don't attract male attention can reach the age of 25 with merely 300 Facebook friends. Out of these 150 men, only 1 or 2 will have never had a girlfriend, and one of them might be her cousin.

[–]WhatIsThisAccountFor0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It was like dating a bag of sand. They would never buy gifts, never make plans, never pay for dates. They didn't groom themselves, didn't exercise, didn't eat healthy, didn't wear real clothes, made no effort to be social or pleasant, had no ambition, showed no interest in my life. They were just bags of sand eating nachos in front of a computer never wanting to do anything except sex.

So you dated lazy fat slobs? That’s different than just dating someone below your level, unless you are like a fat 2/10 yourself or something.

You just have terrible decision making. You’re dating actual losers. If your SMV is average and you’re dating someone below average who is not socially inept and immeasurably lazy, you will have a good relationship.

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I suppose it's my fault for not finding the ugly guys who live good lives. But it seemed like those ones didn't like me. I think men are hypergamous in looks. An ugly guy with a good life doesn't want an ugly girl with a good life, he thinks he deserves a hot girl.

[–]WhatIsThisAccountFor0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But it seemed like those ones didn't like me.

Did it seem like the ones you dated liked you? Because it doesn’t sound like they did at all from the way your described things.

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well they were at least open to a relationship. Initially we had some cute-shy exchanges with butterflies in the stomach like tee hee he touched my hand. I kind of thought if the guy was shy it meant he liked me. Once they weren't shy anymore well yeah they didn't seem to care anymore.

[–]WhatIsThisAccountFor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I kind of thought if the guy was shy it meant he liked me.

Yep, then I was right. Bad decision making/judgement.

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You're correct. But ugly women don't want to date equal or down. They want George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Chad just like their hotter counterparts do.

[–]rreliable2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I meant to add that being nice is sufficient to be loved. So few women try this that they have convinced themselves it doesn't work.

Be nice, and you'll have all the love you can stand.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. "Be nice" works. For women.

It just doesn't work for men.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19936 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Define nice. Nice as in decent or a doormat to the man in question?

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or like many women will never know the heights of male love.

So what? She brought that on herself by not being pretty or being a bitch. Most women, even those at the very bottom, are not pretty because of their own choices, usually lifestyle and appearance. Most women who are bitches are such by choice.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Here, again blaming it all on the woman. Do your emotional labor yourself, ungrateful twat. Having cats has never seen so tempting.

[–]rreliable4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

You're so nice! You must be a real hit with the gentlemen.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19935 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I guess this answers my previous question to you. You define nice as a woman not having a backbone, not talking back. Basically a doormat. Cats are becoming more and more interesting..

[–]rreliable2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think it's more that I define niceness as "not calling a stranger a twat just because we see things differently".

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19935 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The twat part was for every male who expects nice things (whatever those may be) from women, often with zero gratitude. Sorry you feel called out.

[–]rreliable0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Nice people don't make non-specific sex slurs about half the human race. How the hell was any reader supposed to infer that you weren't attacking me?

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19931 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I was talking about those men, not half the population, although Im not far from the truth.

[–]rreliable1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How was a reader to know that if he's not gifted with telepathy?

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[–]concacanca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You must be new here

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

emotional labor

😂

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Unattractive men are not going starry eyed over their unattractive partners,

That is absolutely false.

Just yesterday I saw tons of fat men buy their fat wives flowers and chocolates, and even sing them songs with a guitar.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because the only thing worse then a fat wife, is an angry fat wife

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well the good thing is she probably can't catch you if you run

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can be fat and have a nice face.

When I mean fat I don't mean chubby, i mean morbid obesity.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How does someone show off high cheekbones with a chubby face?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Genetics. Even fat distribution in the face is very specific and in such order.

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[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe they were attractive when they met and got fat and old over time.

They wouldn't have gotten old and fat if they were as attracted to thier husbands as they were Chad! Reeeeee!

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha. This is awesome. So sharp it'll cut!

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The chocolates aren't helping

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19934 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Duty. They werent starry-eyed, no?

[–]ki68400 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree

[–]wracky272RPG's are fun13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Women don't actually want to be treated like princesses. That's what women tell each other they deserve but in practice it's sexually unappealing and boring. If you actually respect a woman, you don't constantly pamper her-- that's like tacitly saying "I'm going to protect you from this big bad world because it's scary and I don't think you can handle it."

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[–]wracky272RPG's are fun0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your addition.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Speak for yourself! My man just combed all the tangles out of my long hair. I like being pampered, damnit!

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My man just combed all the tangles out of my long hair.

Most men these days prefer a landing strip or a full shave.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL, no, that was my LONG hair, not my short hairs. :-)

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hasn’t been my experience at all

I’ve seen shrew independent feminists get super jealous of the way I pamper my wife

They get neurotic and bitchy

[–]wracky272RPG's are fun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists getting neurotic and bitchy? How do you know they're not that way all the time? Also, it's not always jealousy-- they may disapprove of traditionalism/chivalry in general.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS13 points14 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

When men talk about how they would be "willing to take" a 5/10 woman it is analogous to what they perceive as being "Beta Bucks". Sure, they'll want to fuck that 5/10 when he's horny and she's getting in the shower, but would he treat her like that dream car? No. That privilege is reserved for all the women who occupy most of his attention, who he perceives as with men who wouldn't treat her as well as he would.

You're underestimating the power of sunk cost fallacy and male thirst.

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[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS16 points17 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This depends on how you define it. If you consider "thirst" to be "mere sexual craving", then you're right.

However, if you consider "thirst" as a deeply rooted and unquenched desire that was grown out of never having experienced affection, that's something entirely different.

And a guy who is in that place may very well get a rather twisted perception of attractiveness. If affection of any sort, even from average women, has always been out of your reach, the lines between varying degrees of attractiveness become blurry.

The difference is that the 5/10 isn't maybe as unattainable as the 10/10, which in turn leads to a guy really going all-in for her. And because he has to justify (if only to himself) why he's so devoted to that woman, he'll convince himself that this is because she's truly special.

Where do you think do those guys who treat their plain girlfriends like Helen of Troy come from?

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[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh I did.

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Yes, they do. And they get that man's faithfulness, exclusivity, and devotion. You're wrong.

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they do exist, and they do treat their plain girlfriends very well. It depends on how they guy sees himself too, men who have low self esteem and less experience will be more likely to overcompensate in a relationship to please their partner

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This exactly.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You must be surrounded by really shitty men if you've never seen that happen.

[–]darla100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s almost like you are describing a sad sack of a man. Insecure, desperate for intimacy, eager to put a mediocre woman on a pedestal and pretend she is Helen of Troy.

OR

You are describing a desperate man who has fundamentally convinced himself that his average gf IS Helen of Troy.

Either way, this guy is desperate and that is highly unattractive. Scarcity mentality.

“Helen” sees right through that shit.

The rare man is the one who has a thing for the so called‘average’ broad, not out of scarcity but out of genuine attraction. The high beta who genuinely desires her and gives no fucks what anyone else thinks of her. This man treats her like royalty because he’s inspired to, not out of fear. I’m not sure too many of those guys even exist. But they surely have good relationships.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is considered ''love'' to women? putting up with them after fucking them, or risking getting eventually thrown out of the house when she gets bored with the man she's with?

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean the thirst of average men (™)

i've seen plenty of average men reject average women, not average women (™)

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much.

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[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman32 points33 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Every pot does not have a lid, that is some bullshit people repeat to one another in order to avoid feeling uncomfortable.

[–]rreliable7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Some pots also realize that there's no reason for the pot to GAF whether it has a lid or not.

Men are can-do, goal-oriented beings. Once they learn that being a pussy beggar is, at best, a horrible, shitty risk profile, they can re-organize their minds to find joy in life without making their happiness hostage to a being that cares only for her own wants.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunno.

[–]Hungry_AFYour friendly neighborhood misandrist1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are can-do, goal-oriented beings. Once they learn that being a pussy beggar is, at best, a horrible, shitty risk profile, they can re-organize their minds to find joy in life without making their happiness hostage to a being that cares only for her own wants.

Sounds like unattractive male cope.

[–]rreliable0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Attractive men get divorce raped every day.

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That very well may be, but that "cope" is better than being married to a woman who hates your guts.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of pots do have lids, though, even irregular pots. More than this sub would have you believe, in my experience

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[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

From what I have seen, no. I work with a lot of ordinary women whose husbands barely notice they exist unless they want something from them like chow cooked or other stuff. Then they tell me about their fascinating weekends...ooooooh we spent all weekend on the couch.

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[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. Men are on the fence during the courtship phase with unattractive women. Then they get complacent within a year and want to play hearthstone all night, until they want a BJ. When you're 24, however, these dudes want to know all about you, give you there undivided attention, try to rope you into a conversation longer than they had with their wives in years

lmao. You just made me think of something that made me laugh when I first heard it.

So this was in college, and this guy I befriended, he tells me that this girl - 5'8'' 110 pounds, with a huge ass, I mean that thing was so perky and full and firm and upright it was like the full moon had fallen onto earth and blessed Mankind, wide hips, flat stomach, big, brilliant green eyes, oval face, long, blonde hair, full ruby lips.

Chick was so hot I was walking around with a boner all day just by sensing her presence in the air. And wouldn't you know. She looked just the same in high school and my friend tells me she never got any male attention from any guys.

And these people here on this sub are telling me dudes are willing to dump a load on a fat ugly fat girl. Shit. People outside of South America and Europa probably make our homeless people look like stars.

ROFL.

SURE.

Shit's hilarious when you see chicks so hot being invisible to young, hot blooded-men. Maybe they were intimidated by her. Maybe they liked dick instead. Oh, well. I can't complain!

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪14 points15 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

these guys think fat ugly women are thrilled and feel special and loved because some schvug will dump a fuck in them

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[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪14 points15 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

they think thirsty omegas "love" the martha dumptrucks they get stuck with

[–]darla104 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

brutal. lol.

[–]rreliable1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Jeeze Louise, how does a person get such a hate-boner?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

what hate?

[–]rreliable1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

they think thirsty omegas "love" the martha dumptrucks they get stuck with

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

requoting it wont explain where the "hate" is, where is the "hate"?

[–]rreliable4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most people will interpret such caustic characterizations as indicative of strong hostility.

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You think fat ugly women "love" the thirsty omegas they get stuck with

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No but we're discussing unlovable women

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unlovable? Typo?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

you must have responded while I was editing it

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ok got it.

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These women think fat ugly men are thrilled and feel special and attractive because some hambeast will let him find a fold and fuck it...

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What the topic here Lewis, unlovable men or unlovable women?

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I'm simply describing that this works both ways. It's not as if ugly women are at some sort of further disadvantage because they're ugly, or they're women, or they're ugly women.

Things are tough all over.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OK?

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[–]Lovemesometoasts4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they're sickeningly cute

MFW

[–]rreliable0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Examples?

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[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is what I have seen as well.

[–]S1imdragxn1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Pretty much true

I say all the time on here, much to many reds and black pills chargrin, I put beautiful women on a pedastal shamelessly

Call it the redknight

[–]rreliable1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are metaphors, not examples.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You might just be describing unhappy relationships.

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a Camry.

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maybe those women have low expectations in the first place

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My reply to these women is the same as women like you give to the unattractive men at TRP:

"shut the fuck up. Be happy with what you have, and be fucking glad that anyone was willing to be with you. Why should someone who's more attractive than you want anything to do with you? You're lucky to have ANYONE. So shut up."

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[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Shitty personality is shit!

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Will heads turn when they walk in a room?

Yes, in the other direction.

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[–]BeyondTheLight1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. Menu would have gotten along with /u/MyPasswordisPutin . They are like twins!

[–]WeCaredALotP-P-P-PURPLE5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, yeah. Most people who complain about not getting the man/woman they want treat the people they COULD get like leftovers. This is true for men and women.

[–]reluctantly_red6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I do like car analogies. I think I'd be perfectly happy with the female equivalent of a 1980 Mercedes 240D (a car I actually drove for many years and over 400,000 miles). A simple classic design executed brilliantly. Not the flashiest car on the road and definitely not the fastest -- but solid, incredibly reliable, and surprisingly fun to drive (especially on narrow back roads).

While I didn't freak out over every scratch I made sure my old Mercedes got its oil changed on time, always had decent tires, and was generally ready to go coast to coast at anytime.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How about a 1984 Toyota Hilux?

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same idea -- but a model that's never been available in the USA. Some old beat up vehicles do get maintained well (at least their mechanicals). The OP is correct that no one wants to spend time and money trying to keep an old Ford Escort on the road. However, there are old vehicles that while not flashy or sporty truly engage their owners. Thinking there should be similar women out there somewhere.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, ‘95 Toyota T100.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maren Morris is your girl!

[–]concacanca4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Putting aside PPD for a moment, are people actually going through life like this? I've always been pretty generous with gifts, compliments, dates etc with every girlfriend I've ever had, and now my wife. I realise that not every guy is but this post makes it sound like im in a tiny minority and I find that hard to believe.

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[–]concacanca6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I'm not really the kind of guy who settles much on looks. In fact I've walked out of potential ONS because I wasn't attracted enough to them.

The fact is though, not everyone is going to find those women attractive. In fact my brother thought that my first GF looked like a dude. I find it hard to believe that there are many women who are so unattractive that they get 0 interest. Fuck, the fattest woman I've ever met had a devoted boyfriend.... until she dumped his ass and became a born again Christian.

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[–]concacanca2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok so that I disagree with.

I realise that women prize romantic interest over sexual interest and that this is a thread about that but the provision of romantic interest has always been massively correlated with how much sex I'm getting. There is clearly a cycle at work where romance drives sex drives romance drives sex. When one drops off, someone has to make the second effort.

My point is that maybe the unattractive men and women just need to try a bit harder.

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Yeah.

I don' t know where OP has this idea that ugly girls, "Martha Dumptrucks", get only SEXUAL interest and never ROMANTIC interest. What, like Martha never gets anyone, anyone at all, who's interested in actually wifing her up?

Out of the hundreds, or a thousand, women I've ever known, I've known only one woman who wanted a loving relationship with a man who couldn't get one. That's ONE woman.

Of the women who got those loving relationships, half of them intentionally and voluntarily blew up their relationships with divorces. That includes ugly women.

Just about every woman I've ever known who wanted to get married, got married. and that includes ugly women. Just about every woman ive ever known who wanted a man, got one. That includes the Martha Dumptrucks. (And one she's attracted to, oh yes sir, because women never ever ever get with men they're not attracted to, no way, that's what the women around here tell us)

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In fact my brother thought that my first GF looked like a dude.

maybe (s)he was a dude!

[–]concacanca2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In which case he had really great legs

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Honestly, ugly women aren't that bad unless they are REALLY ugly, or fat. I've seen quite a few women whom I was more attractive than but would consider dating because they were in shape. To the genetically unnatractive people life must be cruel.

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Well, majority of women need just to stay lean to be "conventionally attractive" to majority of men. But the demands for a guy are different. Ugly looks doesn't help but can be overlooked if he is famous, rich, has status, is persistent, drives fast car etc. Though for a woman to say a guy is physically attractive, he HAS to have muscles, abs, some facial hairs (no patches!) and that mysterious gaze, and most importantly, look masculine. Some women like baby faced men. But they are in minority, I think.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Butterface, lol.

[–]pinkgoldrose5 points6 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Great post. Very clear and I couldn't agree more. Men will date ugly women for sex, but they won't put any effort into giving her what she wants or into making her happy. They will stay with her only as long as they can't get sex with a hotter woman, which might actually last forever if they are an ugly guy with no game.

I've seen men bend over backwards and on their knees to please a Stacy they were orbiting even though the Stacy never dated them. Then these same men won't do any of that shit for their actual girlfriend.

A man who starts dating a 10/10 woman might as well propose right there and then and be as sure as he's ever been in his life. A man who dates an ugly woman might not even want to marry her after nine years of dating.

But basically, yes. Much like incels have to accept that they will never be sexually desired like Chad and that their girlfriend will not be aroused in bed by the sight of them, ugly women accept that men will never treat them with love.

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what a story, what a fantasy. Holds as much value as "those we shall not name" talk about women who want only "chad's cock".

[–]pinkgoldrose3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men can write any bullshit in here and get adulated by the echo chamber, but when one person speaks the truth, it makes you mad.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I talk the same with such men posting similar bs too. At least I try to.

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok thank you.

[–]ummyourdaddyHonorable Prime Minister of People's Republic of Incelistan0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

they won't put any effort into giving her what she wants or into making her happy

what is it that you want, honey?

[–]pinkgoldrose2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

For instance they will ask for sex when they want it, not care about foreplay or what she likes, get mad if she says something, refuse to have sex if she wants it when he doesn't, etc. Outside of sex they just won't do anything. They'll refuse to go on dates and just be annoyed at anything that isn't sex.

I've described it as dating a bad of sand who contributes nothing and asks for sex:

They would never buy gifts, never make plans, never pay for dates. They didn't groom themselves, didn't exercise, didn't eat healthy, didn't wear real clothes, made no effort to be social or pleasant, had no ambition, couldn't provide, showed no interest in my life. They were just bags of sand eating nachos in front of a computer never wanting to do anything except sex.

For example I had sex with my boyfriend every day and one day I said "oh I'm sorry but can we have sex later today because I just changed into my running clothes and I want to get my run done before dinner and then take a shower but it would be so nice if we had sex when we go to sleep after dinner and we'll have more time to relax :) :) :)" his response was an angry "forget it" and he went to smoke weed and watch porn and play games on his computer from 5PM until 2AM and then said he was too tired for sex when he came to bed.

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[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Context my friend.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

When a guy wants sex he's expected to "warm her up" with foreplay and some effort. When women want sex they figure all they have to do is ask.

Also, lots of guys don't get a girl's A-game either. I had two ex-GFs who had draws and closets full of sexy clothing they never wore for me. I asked one why and her reply was "I don't need to do that for you -- you're always excited". So just because I don't have ED she figures she doesn't need to try.

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's if you're a hot girl. As an ugly girl who dated ugly guys, foreplay quickly disappeared. Sex needed to happen right when they had their boners. If sex was painful and I nicely asked if we could do more foreplay, they would get mad and rage quit.

One of my boyfriends gave so little shit he said his favorite position was doing the starfish and I had to do all the work. He said it was because he liked lying there and not having to do anything, otherwise it was too tiring.

I did all that stuff (painful sex, sex whenever they wanted it, doing all the work, initiating too because that's what good girlfriends do) and the sex was entirely for them.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry but your experience isn't the least bit normal. I've had to spend an hour "warming up" (her words) a 300 pound women.

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Life isn't fair. I was super fit and skinny while I dated these guys. You just need to be more of an asshole really. They just took off my clothes and shoved their dicks right in even if it was painful. I could get them to at least enter slowly, but it took all of 30 seconds maybe.

I remember one time I tried to be charming and ask my boyfriend for more foreplay and he rage quit and gave me the silent treatment for the rest of the day.

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[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Context my friend.

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you are what you date, basically. I see nothing wrong with having a ONS with a guy you would never ever date for real, but... you complain about men not meeting up your expectations when you chose those men yourself to be part of your life and stayed with them. You are projecting.

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It was that or being single and at the time I wanted to be normal and have a relationship and live a normal life.

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But you didn't live a normal life. Being single is normal. Having fucked up relationships... well, I must admit, becoming more and more normal these days. Doesn't mean one should continue to do so when he has the knowledge how terrible his/her situation is. If you blame just men for your situation, nothing good will come.

Because it seems like you are exempt from any kind of blame while being an active agent in a relationships. Typical "women have no agency" situation perpetuated by a woman herself. But I do not want to offend you since you are as much of a victim of our modern culture as incels, nice guys, mgtowers, terpers etc.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You made a choice. Choices have consequences.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

BS! Men treat women pretty much the same. But women swoon over a few token efforts from a hot guy and complain that the ordinary guy isn't giving her what she wants despite the fact that objectively he's giving her at least as much as the hot guy is giving his woman.

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

BS. The way men treat hot women and normal women is night and day. They treat the Stacy they orbit way better than the girlfriend they later get. Also, like I said, a man who gets with a super hot woman will propose marriage right away and never to an ugly woman. Plus paying on dates, dressing better, the whole nine yards.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well then you should really like TRP because it tells guys to stop wasting their time orbiting women and only engage with women who acknowledge you and who reciprocate gestures of kindness and affection.

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think looks communism will work. I don't blame men for preferring pretty women. They are really pretty...

[–]-AveMaria-6 points7 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I think all unattractive couples have had their relationship built on a compromise. Which is... 'I wish I could have better, and I don't find you that attractive, but it's better than being alone.'

Seems to me that more women are willing to make that compromise than men. Incel men seem super entitled.

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe they prioritize something besides looks? My partner and I are both very average-looking people. Rest assured we'll never be gracing any magazine covers, lol! But he is simply the best man I've ever had. His character and other attributes are far, far more important to me than Ken-doll looks! So yes, I find him very attractive. I don't feel I "settled" at all.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't feel I "settled" at all.

If he had the same exact personality, but was also in great shape, would you prefer that?

Do you feel that men that have great physiques AND great personalities don't exist?

[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Meh" on the muscles. As long as a dude is at least as strong as I am, we're good. Actually, a guy really into fitness would be a turn-off for me as I have no intention of ever setting foot in a gym! I can't think of anything as boring as exercising on some sort of machine. I have jobs and a lifestyle that keep me running around like a madwoman 12 hours a day and when I'm done, I want to collapse in a heap, not run on a treadmill or something. (Blargh.) In my 30s, I briefly dated an ex-Marine who was really into fitness and while he looked great, I could see he was going to try to rope me into that lifestyle and I wasn't having any of it! A nice guy, but not the one for me.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No one gets everything they want. We all compromise and settle for the best we can get. Hopefully its a deal we can live with.

[–]-AveMaria-1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The degree of compromise varies. The degree to which you may desire someone better also varies. For example, my fiance is over 6 feet, attractive, has a decent job, comes from a wealthy family, is kind, quite religious, confident.. There aren't very many men above him, from an objective pov.

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could have just written "chad" :(

[–]-AveMaria-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk whether he's a chad. He hasn't had lots of sexual partners.

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You think incel men turn down those opportunities?

[–]-AveMaria-4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I've talked to incel men who turn down those opportunities.

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How many

[–]-AveMaria-1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

1.

But I am sure you have too! You think you are an incel. You think Betty 25-BMI with acne and a flat nose would turn you down?

[–]nizcole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg that physical description is me to a tee. Have you been spying on me?

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[–]-AveMaria-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So.. I have a cousin who's super good looking. Like everyone in our family is pretty good looking, but he stands out even among us. BUT he's been having a hard time finding a girlfriend. He's like 17, and always complains about girls. But he looks SO HANDSOME. It's so confusing to me.

But that's just it.. half of it is attitude and he doesnt have it. What do women like? Confidence, firstly. He doesn't have it. Humor, he doesn't have it. Maturity.. nope. I don't mean maturity as in 'oh I don't do drugs!' Maturity as in, does he seem like hes a functioning human being who knows what he wants and isn't a confused, bitter mess?

Chubby Betty's date average guys, believe it or not. This 80/20 myth is a joke and it's factually false. All you guys need to do is stop being so bitter and angry, fix your styles, be more confident and lighten up a little.

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I bet she would

[–]-AveMaria-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why dont you go out and try

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Often. Or they don’t seek them.

[–]CousinMabel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They definitely do. Most of the incels I know are actually pretty picky.

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Incel men seem super entitled.

they are like women in some way, they have no idea what they want because they did not get a chance to "try it" first. So they only have their imagination. Can confirm, ex-incel.

[–]wekacuckstupid buggy bot2 points3 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

What are "the heights of heterosexual male love"? Can you elaborate, please.

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[–]wekacuckstupid buggy bot4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sounds unhealthily materialistic.

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[–]wekacuckstupid buggy bot2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You've only covered "acts of service", "words of affirmation" and "receiving gifts".

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[–]wekacuckstupid buggy bot4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The two you're missing relate to the fact that you'll find me out gleefully driving the Ford Escort offroad making memories, while the expensive piece of overworked metal rots in the garage.

[–]EmpyrrhicalData2 points3 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

You're confusing the perception of male love with actual male love.

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[–]EmpyrrhicalData3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

There lies your answer. How attractive the recipient is means nothing.

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[–]EmpyrrhicalData1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Citation needed.

Take the same actions and attention on display from a man, you suggest being unattractive makes women perceive them as less loving than women who are attractive.

This is the inherent flaw in your argument about the plight of unattractive women. The root of the problem is not their attractiveness, it's their perception.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Well why would men treat hotter women “better” then? You’re saying the “better” treatment is just made up in her head?

[–]EmpyrrhicalData2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

You are correct. They do get treated better.

However, this circles straight back to my point about perceived versus actual male love. OP is confusing the two.

Love is how the recipient defines it.

OP nails it here. Many women are unlovable not because of their attractiveness, but because of how they choose to define male love. Namely, how well they are treated (given gifts) relative to their peers, and to the extent that men self-sacrifice.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Ok well what else would you call that? Ie a man who with his hotter GF who does more stuff/gives more presents whatever then when he’s with you, the less hot GF?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Their sexual attractiveness is the biggest predictor of how much sex they can get and the attractiveness of the men they can get sex from.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You also mod the shit out of it

Time for FFF tits dear

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[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not gonna lie I’ve thought about it that way before

“Catback exhaust system or maybe I’ll tell her she can take that $1000 for the lip injections”

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not gonna lie I’ve thought about it that way before

“Catback exhaust system hmmm or maybe I’ll tell her she can take that $1000 for the lip injections”

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not gonna lie I’ve thought about it that way before

“Catback exhaust system hmmm or maybe I’ll tell her she can take that $1000 for the lip injections”

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not gonna lie I’ve thought about it that way before

“Catback exhaust system hmmm or maybe I’ll tell her she can take that $1000 for the lip injections”

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Wrong. You're just wrong about this. Source: Am man, and know what men do for their women, including the unattractive ones.

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I've seen some of the most attractive women get cheated on and treated the worst by their husbands. It's obvious why: the men see these women as trophies, and after a while a trophy loses its lustre.

Young women would do well not to focus on their looks too much beyond keeping clean, fit and respectably well groomed. It may seem counterintuitive. But you don't want to be a target of trophy hunters. You want the guy to be at least as into your personality and character as your looks. You want your marriage to survive past the 'hot' years. That's a big part of picking right.

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It's obvious why: the men see these women as trophies, and after a while a trophy loses its lustre.

or maybe those trophies show as much interest in their men as they do to dead flies on a windowsill. Men are guilty of cheating, women are guilty of not showing proper attention to their men.

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Maybe they do. Treating human relationships like a commodity exchange does tend to have its drawbacks for both parties.

You play stupid games you get stupid prizes.

[–]TRP_HoplitePurple Pill2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A lot of those guys are probably betas that don't get nearly as much sex as they want from their partners. Most women aren't so unattractive that they can't get their partners to be loving towards them, IF they have sex with their partners at the frequency their male partners want.

Unless their partner is obese or really, really grotesque looking, I'd say the average man 20-45 years old can have sex 7-18 times a week. Most women don't have the same desire, especially for a non-alpha, and after marriage, aren't worried as much about him straying.

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[–]bunniebellPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Everyone has a different definition of love. Keeping up with an expensive car isn't love...it's self-interest. If money is important to them, they bought the car to appeal to their self-interest & continue that self-interest by putting time into the car.

Have you ever heard about hot women being bitches? Or that hot women don't need personalities or interests because they can get everything due to their looks?

Many women below 6/10 take care of themselves in other ways...which makes them attractive in a different way. Sure, we all want perfection in our mates...but experience teaches us that no one is perfect

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever heard about hot women being bitches? Or that hot women don't need personalities or interests because they can get everything due to their looks?

You know it's funny because if anything I've found the opposite to be true.

Hottest gfs I had were the ones who also had creative hobbies they took seriously, had high ambitions, intelligence, and didn't act bitchy.

On the other hand I've been with more average girls who lacked any real interests or ambitions or hobbies or anything and they were more likely to cheat which, well, if that ain't the behaviour of a bitch I dunno what is.

I think the halo effect means better looking people get treated more nicely and in turn treat others more nicely, are more well liked, and take up more hobbies because they're happier people overall and wanna experience things.

[–]BeyondTheLight1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Hottest gfs I had were the ones who also had creative hobbies they took seriously, had high ambitions, intelligence, and didn't act bitchy.

I genuinely believe that attractive people are also usually more intelligent, as a good symmetrical face is usually an indicator of the fact that everything in terms of biology is "right". You could think of generally better developed muscles, brains and you name it really. It tends to be the "whole" package.

I am not disregarding the effects of hard work though. You could still be a 125 IQ surgeon, because you put in the work required for example. The same principle applies to looks, as long as you put in the effort you will reach a point where it is "adequate" enough. Generally more attractive people start out at a 8 orso (figurative number so bare with me) and have a give or take potential to slump down 2 or 2 points depending on several factors.

I know that some people will have their genetics really holding them back, but with a proper enough environment they could actually live up to their "hard coded" potential. They could go from a 6 to say a 7 or perhaps even a 8 if "all the starts align". A lot of time it requires hard work more so than "talented/gifted" people. People forget that most people don't end up living up to their said potential. They only look at results and not at what happened prior to reaching that stage or even what heights they could reach. So yeah a child in a proper environment can get really far.

I think the halo effect means better looking people get treated more nicely and in turn treat others more nicely, are more well liked, and take up more hobbies because they're happier people overall and wanna experience things.

Definitely true. They live their lives with relatively less stress than most people are, so naturally they will spend their time on other things than to sulk all day for example.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'd be very very interested to know if there is legitimately a known link between attractiveness and IQ. But the thing about IQ is that it's also heavily influenced by environment. Like we know Asians have high IQ but they also study like fucking mad because that's how they're raised. "You are not C-sian, you are not B-sian, you are A-sian!"

So the age old nature vs. nurture debate rears its head once again... if good looking people are more intelligent, is it a result of biology or is it because they get treated better, get more opportunities, have higher self-esteem on average so they believe they can learn new skills in the place, and so on?

Also I mean look at Silicon Valley, absolutely full of very intelligent people who look exactly like your stereotypical awkward nerd.

Definitely true. They live their lives with relatively less stress than most people are, so naturally they will spend their time on other things than to sulk all day for example.

Exactly.

[–]BeyondTheLight0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

But the thing about IQ is that it's also heavily influenced by environment. Like we know Asians have high IQ but they also study like fucking mad because that's how they're raised. "You are not C-sian, you are not B-sian, you are A-sian!"

I mean this is definitely fair and I am not quite sure about it either. This is why I am not disregarding hard work, but rather using IQ as a synonym to "intelligent". It is hard to quite put your finger on it.

So the age old nature vs. nurture debate rears its head once again... if good looking people are more intelligent, is it a result of biology or is it because they get treated better, get more opportunities, have higher self-esteem on average so they believe they can learn new skills in the place, and so on?

I generally see people as cups of different sizes that start off with a certain content of liquid if that makes any sense?

Also I mean look at Silicon Valley, absolutely full of very intelligent people who look exactly like your stereotypical awkward nerd.

Austism and/or hardwork. Mostly the latter though. Also come on the IRC you jerk, so we can discuss it much better!

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean this is definitely fair and I am not quite sure about it either. This is why I am not disregarding hard work, but rather using IQ as a synonym to "intelligent". It is hard to quite put your finger on it.

Indeed. It's likely a combination of the two in reality. It's just difficult to estimate how much is down to each element. We simply don't have the data.

I generally see people as cups of different sizes that start off with a certain content of liquid if that makes any sense?

I like that analogy. And I definitely see what you mean yeah. Like I've said before I look up to my mum a lot because she started off in a shitty environment and worked her way out of it. Not many people can pull that off, not many even try. So she's a big cup who started off with a little liquid, but poured more and more in over time.

Then you get a lot of people who are happy doing retail work their whole lives for example. These people are almost without exception complete idiots. I also notice that those idiots hate it when someone moves on from their shitty job. They try and talk you into staying if you mention you're looking for something better. I'm guessing that's driven by a shitload of envy.

Austism and/or hardwork. Mostly the latter though.

Certainly high autism levels.

Also come on the IRC you jerk, so we can discuss it much better!

I gotta leave for work soon mate but afterwards I will hit the IRC tonight since it's Friday fuck it I can stay up all night and chat shit to you lovely people.

[–]BeyondTheLight0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I like that analogy. And I definitely see what you mean yeah. Like I've said before I look up to my mum a lot because she started off in a shitty environment and worked her way out of it. Not many people can pull that off, not many even try. So she's a big cup who started off with a little liquid, but poured more and more in over time.

Nailed it like jesus christ on a cross mate. So yeah I definitely don't subscribe to the "blankslatism" that quite a few people adhere to, but I don't disregard the merit to such an approach.

Then you get a lot of people who are happy doing retail work their whole lives for example. These people are almost without exception complete idiots. I also notice that those idiots hate it when someone moves on from their shitty job. They try and talk you into staying if you mention you're looking for something better. I'm guessing that's driven by a shitload of envy.

I mean I wouldn't exactly disregard them as idiots, because there could be a few of them who are intelligent, but unwilling to "fill their cup". If it makes them happy all the more power to them, but from a socioeconomic standpoint I would say that they are very much idiotic.

I think that they get annoyed, because they feel "betrayed", but most definitely envy, because they don't want to put in the work and want to keep you at their level, so they can feel better about their own lives. Quite sad IMO.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nailed it like jesus christ on a cross mate. So yeah I definitely don't subscribe to the "blankslatism" that quite a few people adhere to, but I don't disregard the merit to such an approach.

👌

It's always down to the individual how they will respond to their circumstances, and it could easily be argued this is down to the nature of that individual.

For example you got Person 1 and Person 2 both growing up in the same poor home, same bad parents, same living situation, etc but Person 1 decides fuck this shit I wanna do better, while Person 2 just gives in and continues the cycle.

The environment there is identical, but there was a drive to become better inside Person 1 that did not exist inside Person 2 - this is nature.

But on the other hand it's also entirely possible that if Person 1 grew up with a more privileged life they could have become complacent and lazy in that environment because they wouldn't need to work to get what they already have.

So it's a very interesting thing to think about, I think it's a delicate balance of the two.

I mean I wouldn't exactly disregard them as idiots, because there could be a few of them who are intelligent, but unwilling to "fill their cup".

When we're talking about people who are still in retail at like 40 years old, they're essentially split into two groups:

Group one had some shitty circumstances that prevented them from reaching their full potential, for example having a kid at 16 preventing them from getting an education so they had to work in any shitty job they could get to make ends meet.

Group two are seriously just utter fucking morons. There's no other way to put it. They're often friendly and all that, don't get me wrong. They're not bad people. But they ain't smart.

I think that they get annoyed, because they feel "betrayed", but most definitely envy, because they don't want to put in the work and want to keep you at their level, so they can feel better about their own lives. Quite sad IMO.

I agree. They'd say "you mean you're leaving us?" as if I'm abandoning a dying family member or something. Sometimes they'd just quip "ha, you're not gonna leave, not really." Or in response to me getting an interview somewhere else "yeah right, you won't get a job like that, as if that'll ever happen."

Come to think of it they often aren't very nice people, are they?

They just cannot stand the thought of someone much younger than them moving up from the line of shitty work they've been stuck in for decades. It makes them regret wasting their own lives.

Well they ain't gonna be the ones with a Benz that's for sure.

In the wise words of Lil Peep: "Who you wanna hate now? Pretty soon you gonna hate me / Getting to the cake now, all the hating don't faze me."

[–]BeyondTheLight0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So it's a very interesting thing to think about, I think it's a delicate balance of the two.

Right. If science had this properly figured out, then we would be so advanced, because it would mean that we can perfectly predict outcomes to the point that we could find the "perfect matches" for anything, especially romantic matches. Haha. That would make us quit having all the discussions on PPD altogether now would it not!?

"yeah right, you won't get a job like that, as if that'll ever happen."

This one is quite frequent. The mark of a person that is trying to manipulate you to the point of keeping you down their level. There are genuinely a few people like me who would try to be "realistic" in such a situation, because if I would be saying something like, then I genuinely mean that I don't believe that said person would be able to do better. Most of the time it is just an attempt at keeping you at the bottom.

They just cannot stand the thought of someone much younger than them moving up from the line of shitty work they've been stuck in for decades. It makes them regret wasting their own lives.

I mean I get it. Like shit I once had this dream where I was in this school full of young children who were so proficient with technology. Think of 8 year olds coding fluently in C,C#, C++ and you name it really. I was jealous in my dream. No walking around that, but what happened is that I woke up more determined than ever to be better at whatever I was doing. All it took was an imaginary set of rivals! haha. But yeah it is definitely regret of not being as far as possible in life.

All in all like you said it is just better to ignore the haters and if you are one of the haters channel it into motivation to change your situation. That is pretty much all there can be said about the subject.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That would make us quit having all the discussions on PPD altogether now would it not!?

Well that's no fun!

This one is quite frequent. The mark of a person that is trying to manipulate you to the point of keeping you down their level.

Yep misery loves company.

I was jealous in my dream. No walking around that, but what happened is that I woke up more determined than ever to be better at whatever I was doing.

You have the correct mindset, and I dare say if everyone thought like this there'd be a lot more wealthy people around.

[–]TheBookOfSeilCuckleberry Finn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the bottom percent of women will never known the heights of heterosexual male love

How large is that "bottom percent" of women though?... The point that men are trying to make is that a vast majority of them go unloved in comparison to women. Saying that "women experience it too" doesn't "provide some solace to such men."

love isn't something that exists in your mind, something you can open up a window on your head dome and show to other people. Love is the sum of your actions or behaviors towards the person you love. Nothing more or less

Love does exist inside your brain, and that is the only place where it exists. People call these feelings or emotions "love," but the word "love" is just the societal construct of what we refer to these feelings as. There is no objective form of love. Love cannot be shown to anyone, except through another's actions, and it is those feelings of "love" that are motivating them to do it. We are all driven by our feelings, because they provide a sense of purpose for us. If we have no feelings for someone, then we are not as inclined to do something for them as we are for someone that we have feelings for.

This applies to your last paragraph as well.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is complete nonsense. It's very easy to be fit. Women cannot go unloved for their looks for the same reason men cannot go unloved for their looks. All it takes to find people willing to fuck a woman - or a man - and to develop a pesky emotional attachment is to look like human beings were intended by evolution to look like.

Like they can walk down a flight of stairs without having to call for an ambulance. Never in my entire old life of 3 decades have I seen a woman not get attention, because grandma's and mother's here tell their daughters they better buy a dildo if they love cake more than dick, so women keep themselves from eating 20 pounds of meat for breakfeast. Likewise, their sons are also told the same.

Who am I kidding here? We love sports. Soccer, basketball, swimming and surfing combined with our love for sex guarantees we don't look like a monster out of the depth of the seas.

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I tried to go starry eyed over a self proclaimed unattractive woman but then it turned out she was lying about being unattractive

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Never trust what girls say about their looks online

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[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, women can tell when a guy is treating them like an interchangable hole. Maybe about a year ago we had a thread about men who fuck women they aren’t attracted to, not out of desperation but out of boredom or because their friends dared them to or because they’re doing it ironically so they can laugh about it later. The men who shared their stories proudly described how those joke lays got maybe a fraction of their sexual prowess and would fuck them apathetically on purpose, saving their energy and passion for women they’re actually attracted to, the Stacies of the world. Then those same sorts of guys will turn around and say the ugly women of the world should be grateful they’re not ugly men because at least they “get” degrading, lackluster ugly girl sex. Give me a break.

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I remember that thread. It was maybe the most baffled and aghast I've ever been on this sub, and that's saying a lot.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My favorite part was when I asked one guy why he was proud that those women now think he’s bad at sex and he got super offended, like ‘She doesn’t!’ after just describing how he meh-fucked her on purpose because she was a 5. I was like dude, are you expecting this person you don’t even respect and treated like crap to give you the benefit of the doubt?? No, she’s going to tell her friends about the shit lay she had.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Gah I don’t remember that thread.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m trying to find it, it was probably closer to 2 years back haha

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No worries thanks for trying!

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would love to see that.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There were some hilarious Puritan valentine's memes that were going around that one of my friends at work got fixated on with really suit this thread my favourite were, "I need you to help raise livestock and crops or surely we will starve to death come winter" and " You almost make my heart dance. And dancing is forbidden".

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Hahaha, that's cute.

[–]LyaninaBlue Pill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love ain't a thing

Love is a verb

So you've got to show me, show me, show me

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Figgy on point again

[–]carefreevermillionLook at me. I'm the Chad now.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So unattractive people (male or female) hopefully don't reproduce as a result and the gene pool improves. Where's the fire?

[–]jax006Red Pill Gives You Wings1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This just in: unattractive women get shafted in the RMP

Soon to come from a male OP in the next day or two: unattractive men get shafted in the SMP

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s like every day lol

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a Benz so my girl better at least be a Beamer.

[–]DrippyskippyMonk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe in love so I actually agree with you.

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So what?

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[–]concacanca0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Have women been habitually telling guys that they are only with them because they think they'd make a good dad and are considered a low cheating risk?

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[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did you one better

I didn’t get involved with women who I didn’t think I could love

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did you one better

I didn’t get involved with women who I didn’t think I could love

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did you one better

I didn’t ever get involved with women who I didn’t think I could love

[–]S1imdragxn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did you one better

I didn’t ever get involved with women who I didn’t think I could love

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they should except for the one thing both men and women hate is honesty.

[–]concacanca2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It'd never work.

[–]aznphenix2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is entirely a play on Lewis's usual points where he claims he jsut wants women to be honest about what they want, and that she's just using some guys because they're the best she can get.

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Honest as in "not lead men on". There is a difference between

going to dinner with a nice guy knowing full well you are not attracted to him and just want free meal

and

not doing so and telling him you are not interested despite that you are hungry as fuck.

When men are hungry (sexually), they would fuck anything that moves but they won't pretend you are a princess and will just leave you after they are done without telling you how beautiful you are and how they care for you and want to continue this and see "where it goes".

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Oh come on. This is EXACTLY what men do.

"You're really cool and we're having a lot of fun together. Why do we need to label it? Let's just hang out and see where it goes..." with no intention of it ever "going" anywhere.

Pump and dumps happen too, but let's not pretend guys don't ever lead girls on.

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I do not claim they never do this, but it would be a stretch to say that most men do this. It is most women who do this because they know how thirsty men are, consciously or not. I am starting to think it's in their nature.

And, when guy says let's see where it goes, he accepts any woman's advance forward (well unless she wanted to marry him on the third date or something). But women, on the other hand, would never accept a nice guy trying to even kiss her, or sometimes (saddest scenario) hug her over shoulders. But she would be happy to go get dinner with him. What gives?

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where the fuck do I say that women aren't dishonest.

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but would he treat her like that dream car? No.

Many men would. Even men sometimes have this irrational love of a woman even if she isn't attractive conventionally.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

lot of men on here like to use the woman vs. car analogy, so I will too. When you buy your dream car, you clean and wax it every week, you service it more often than is necessary, you fix any little dent on your bumper, you agonize over the smallest scrape. Nobody does that for the 2006 Ford Escort you got off of craigslist for 20% below KBB. Now, you don't hate that Ford Escort, it gets you from point A to point B, it does what it should, it's yours, you even enjoy driving it on occasion, when the windows can come down and your favorite song is on. But you don't love that Ford Escort, and you don't love it because you don't act like you love it

See this is where you're already failing. Why would I buy a car? A car costs a down payment and then monthly part of your wage goes away for the car. That is if you buy a decent-enough car. You can save up and buy a shit car. Regardless of how young or old the car you bought is, you still have to pay for insurance. Annual or six-monthly car check-ups. Gasoline. Tires. Cleaning and washing the car. I pay like 45 euros a month for a combination of the several bus lines we have, plus all of the subway lines. I need a car like a woman needs a man!

We can use the analog of a car being a girlfriend. You impress it, either because you are not a fat fuck and apparently not being a fat fuck is a huge accomplishment in itself. Then you gotta keep the chick satisfied enough so that she doesnt' stray and find another dick. And even if you are a good boyfriend there's no guarantee the chick won't cheat or dump ya.

I have friends whose asshole has more SMV than all of the red pillers entirety put together and they still get cheated on. I'm under the suspsicion that most men get cheated on, but who cares.

The wise menu once said on here that all you are to other people is the space you take up. With that sentiment in mind, I'd take another step and say that love isn't something that exists in your mind, something you can open up a window on your head dome and show to other people. Love is the sum of your actions or behaviors towards the person you love. Nothing more or less

That is so sweet. happy Valentine's everyone :)

When men talk about how they would be "willing to take" a 5/10 woman it is analogous to what they perceive as being "Beta Bucks". Sure, they'll want to fuck that 5/10 when he's horny and she's getting in the shower, but would he treat her like that dream car? No. That privilege is reserved for all the women who occupy most of his attention, who he perceives as with men who wouldn't treat her as well as he would.

This is a 5/10 https://www.photocase.com/photos/1757119-female-teenager-from-spain-human-being-woman-nature-photocase-stock-photo-large.jpeg

If a man needs to be horny to be attracted to that woman then he's either a super-good-looking-god or he likes men but doesn't want to admit it. Really, how picky can these guys be?

A quick look around at couples in real life reveals this. Unattractive men are not going starry eyed over their unattractive partners, they rarely go above the call of duty for them, compliment them, sacrifice for them, buy them gifts, etc. And most men have a "one who got away" who is either the hottest or second hottest chick he ever landed, who he did these things for, but is afraid or ashamed of the idea of being in that same position with a lesser woman.

I've seen fat guys all starry eyes for their girlfriends. It was amusing to see them trying to hug each other, all with that fat belly both of them had between them lol.

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This is a 5/10 https://www.photocase.com/photos/1757119-female-teenager-from-spain-human-being-woman-nature-photocase-stock-photo-large.jpeg

If a man needs to be horny to be attracted to that woman then he's either a super-good-looking-god or he likes men but doesn't want to admit it. Really, how picky can these guys be?

I can agree, she looks like 6/10 at best (face wise and only from that angle), but yeah, she's average or maybe a bit bellow in looks. She's an equivalent in looks of chubby guy with glasses who "treats women nice and with respect".

But thanks to our modern culture, she's as entitled probably as a 10/10 chick and dreams of Mr.Grey to come save her from herself one day.

That's ok, men dream of women "out of their leagues" all the time, but they can love and lust for even for an average plain jane. Just that what they give to plain Jane they could give to a hot Stacy and still get the same result in the end.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But thanks to our modern culture, she's as entitled probably as a 10/10 chick and dreams of Mr.Grey to come save her from herself one day.

Must be an American thing, because girls like that over here hook-up with guys in their league at nightclubs, they date guys who are their male equivalent in high school and university, and they aren't expecting a 10/10 godly stud to approach them.

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Absolutely, sorry for making an impression that I was speaking about all women. Just that many of them are entitled, but it do depend on the location, true.

[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I know, many women are entitled. People are allowed to have their preferences. There are women who'll reject me because I'm short. Others because I'm lanky, others because they don't like that I scratch my balls in public(clothed ofc). I don't give af, and neither should other men care that many women aren't into them, because many other women are and that's what matters.

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[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I bet the women on here saying "I'm 5/10 and unlovable" are much less attractive than that.

That's easy to solve. Stop dating American women. If no one wants to fuck them, they'll start eating less pizza and instead of staring all at high heels through shops windows, they'll take a walk once or twice a week.

But according to what I see on this sub, I don't think these dudes can stave off their thirst long enough for women to start changing themselves. Why would they? American men would put a wig on a car tire and fuck it.

You know what's funny. I met a lot of attractive girls in the University I went to who got no attention. Literally no attention from men, guys didn't approach them or aknowledge them, because everyone is fit and feminine, so why would they bother going out of their way to talk to girls. Where those came from, there's more and more.

And yet, on the other side of the world there are dudes who pay dinners and movie tickets and spend their time and attention talking to women who look like I could use them as a nuclear fallout bunk in case of nuclear world war.

😂

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[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What country?

One year in Spain, another year in Portugal.

Absolutely, abundance of attractiveness changes everything.

There you go.

This is what the average southern European woman looks like, naturally.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/nintchdbpict000375828193.jpg?strip=all&w=960

They don't work out, that much, if at all, and every year they have a beach body ready underneath those diminutive clothes they have on. It's hilarious how despite being fit and rather pretty, they have an history of being ignored, or they suffer from low self-esteem and body issues, which in turn are easy to manipulate. Many of them want a boyfriend. lie to them, tell them you have feelings for them. Put up with their nonsense for a bit, pretend to listen to them and to care about what they're saying and then bang them.

Attractive girls are rare here, they know it, and they milk it. And obese girls think they're attractive because of strategic photo angles, Snapchat filters, and Instagram followers.

I think attractive people in America are rare, not just women. But its funny to be talking to American women and men(I'm bi) over the internet on forums or whatever other place, to be told they're attractive and then when they send a picture of themselves it's like I'm looking at a fridge built by the US defense dpt. in case Russia decided to drop 20 nuclear bombs at the same time or something.

A coule of years ago I met someone from Michiggan over the internet, she's telling me how guys don't stop hitting on her, then she shows me a picture of herself. She had shoulders wider than Ryan Gosling and with her body mass I believe Muhammed Ali in his prime could have spend a day punching her stomach and she still wouldn't feel anything. She also said she had lost a lot of weight(surgery) and that she doesn't want to do physical exercise.

I mean.. no offense, but someone needs to revolutionize the American diet or lifestyle or something because at this rate there's a lot of people who won't be healthy enough to reach the age of 30.

Then they complain they're unlovable even though they're offering easy sex to guys who don't care about them instead of just improving themselves.

lmao, yeah, this girl was pissed because one guy travelled from California to her state to fuck her and then never talked to her again. Now I'm wondering.With the money he spent on the airplane - wouldn't it have been better to just hire a(hot) hooker?

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Captain Obvious to the rescue, fat women are fat. Post-wall women are post-wall. Stop the presses! Sexual relationships are sexual (very hard to understand, I know), if you want to get sexed with presents and pampering you better be sexable you know.

And anyways, you're not even right. I would have married and pampered the shit out of that ugly nerd girl if she didn't reject me first.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yawns

[–]PowderedButtcheeks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate this post more than you can ever imagine. I know I am 2 days late to the party, but maybe my words will help someone else. I have been called both ugly and gorgeous in the same day, each by strange men I never seen before. One comment came because I ignored a vulgarity display in public, and another came from a dude randomly passing by. Amazing, right? I judge from my history of exes, and dudes I had/have interested that I must not be entirely butt ugly...but honestly, I just think of myself as normal. A functional human female. I also know I am not cute enough to get every man I want. I may even be 'unloveable' because of my looks to some because I am ethnic...I prolly don't want to know those men anyway, and that kinda segues into my point here. Everybody is not going to like you, man or woman. And, as unfortunate as it is, the person you like may not like you back.

A lot of dudes flirt with me and tell me silly little things, but what does that even really mean? I can't take these things seriously. You said a mouthful about actions and behaviors, and a man that only goes on about my appearance when he talks to me, may as well be the dude yelling "You ugly ho!" because it's all just cheap, surface shit. It gets to you, at least to me. I'm at a point where I can't really take men seriously, I guess that's why I am here trying to understand what makes them do the shit they do. And lastly, I think viewing people as 'lesser' men or women because they are not conventionally attractive is pretty lame.

Awesome people exist who are just not hot, and I'd rather spend time with one of them than be in some flaky ass relationship with a man that uses more products on the daily than I do when I get ready to go to some big event. I stick to my feeling that romantic relationships are generally used as ego props. I did it too once upon a time, but I think once we grow up we stop doing certain things that don't jibe with us anymore. I see a ton of what you may call "unattractive" people deeply, madly in love with their gf/bf/spouse of about equal standing. And many of them have great lives together. Reading how men think about us, truly...it's mindblowing. I am more reluctant than ever to date again. I wouldn't want to end up being some sickos fetish, or perhaps worse yet, the second/third best he 'settled' for because Miss Insta Thot ghosted his ass or gave out a fake number. Anyone know how to turn lesbian?

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[–]DaThrowaway808<('.'<) (>'.')>0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If these shitty women would spend more time loving blind men, then they would get the love they deserve.

But the blind man isn't Chad, so they ignore him. AWALT

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Women of all body types get paid and worshipped by online followers for the way they look. There are certainly women whose looks keep them from ever experiencing male lust but those are few and far between. The truth is that most women are incredibly, intoxicatingly beautiful to at least a few men. If they end up getting settled for by a dude who's not really interested that's just because they would rather want someone of higher status/better looks than be loved and treasured by a low-value man. And that's a completely fair choice but it doesn't make what you're saying true.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ugly women think they are unlovable and men will only use them for sex, etc. because they are aiming way too high.

women in the 30th percentile or whatever of attractiveness think they are being realistic by going after men in the 70th percentile of SMV instead of the 90th percentile Chads that they really want. she would be horrified at the thought of ever dating an unattractive 40th percentile man.

shit-tier low SMV men do the same thing, but shit-tier women are definitely worse about it. part of this is due to the effects of different male and female mating strategies (the women all want the very best, men just want to get their dick wet and hopefully she is hot). but it's also cultural due to the "women are wonderful" effect and all the feminist female empowerment shit- you go girl, healthy at any size, fake marilyn monroe facts.

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