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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/7nn526/if_not_than_the_redpill_or_pua_where_else_should/

The OP isn't even necessarily praising Red-Pill, he's asking where else should 'beta' men turn to to get casual sex if not PUA or Red-Pill.

None of the comments are able to answer the question. They skirt around it. They say things like ''Why should we care?'' but this is precisely the point, and the problem...

The Feminists/SJW's/BP are all shitting on Red-Pill, but they aren't offering disgruntled men an alternative to turn to. It's because they don't care...and this is why Red-Pill subs will always continue to grow. Nobody else really cares for their issues, the media openly shames them.

I think Blue-Pill need to acknowledge that they don't care about the issues betas have whatsoever. I'm not saying BP should accept RP, I'm just saying, lets not be disingenuous here.


[–]trumputin77Red Pill66 points67 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Bper: omg the redpill is a disgusting, mysoginistic sub and dis respects women,

OP: ok if the redpill is do bad how come you don't offer better advice?

Bper: why should I care about some autistic incel?

Well they will keep going to the redpill.

[–]danhakimiTalking about pills is stupid7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There is no such thing as bp. There are no bpers. I hate when people talk about bp like it's a thing.

The debate you're talking about usually goes a little more like:

Normal person: omg the redpill is a disgusting, mysoginistic sub and dis respects women,

OP: ok if the redpill is do bad how come you don't offer better advice?

Normal person: I don't know man, there's not that much to be said other than what I'm sure you've already read elsewhere. Honestly, dating kind of just sucks. Keep working at it. Good luck.

OP: fuck. That's what I thought. Thanks.

[–]trumputin77Red Pill15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You read enough about the redpill, a "disgusting mysoginistic sub" to have discovered and subscribed to a sub dedicated to questioning its merits or advice given on TRP.

You must have went through countless pages on this sub to find a 19 day old topic then scrolled through dozens of comments to find my comment. You then decided to write a nice paragraph and scenario because you didn't like a term I used to describe people on here.

Does this sound like something a "normal person" does on their free time?

[–]danhakimiTalking about pills is stupid1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was looking at, like, the top posts in the past month or something. This topic stood out.

A normal person has this reaction only if prompted. When normal people discover TRP, yes, they think it's a disgusting, misogynistic sub that disrespects women. The fact that most of these people don't happen upon TRP is not really relevant, is it?

[–]FuckYourselfUCunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always filter top posts too and end up dredging up months old discussions. Like right right now.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The race to care the least is one of those things that's shitty about the PPD community

A few people have instructive or philosophical reasons for stating this, for others it is a race to the bottom

It is helpful to know what people do and don't care about though, your place in the world and how people come to view and consider your problems, to avoid the irrationality that comes from egocentrism

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this is my only problem with this sub too

A lot of pseudo nihilists that will get easily triggered if you hit the right button

Others will stick to their guns till the bitter end to prove their pseudo nihilism saying things like “my problem with slavery isn’t that it’s immoral it’s something else I can’t quite pin down”.

I’m like JOKED, I wish you idiots would say that shit in public I dare you

[–]El_Tigrex4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every online debate forum is filled with pseudo nihilists, it's by far the easiest position to defend and people are more interested in "winning" the argument than arguing a coherent position they actually hold.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

what would happen? ive said way worse than that "in public" for decades.

[–]deeman0107 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

How large of an audience is your “public”?

[–]Talkytalktalk2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you mean "pubic".

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Goalpost shifting.

[–]deeman0106 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Goalpost shifting? You just stated something and used “the public” to give credibility to your statement. So you’re saying we should just take your word for it?

Not to mention that you emphasised public with quotation marks.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I put "in public" in quotes, as in "in front of other humans". That's what in public means

[–]deeman0107 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah and I’m asking how many other humans because saying it in front of friends and family is totally different from people you don’t know/ seldom interact with.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

out in the world, at bars, clubs, at the store i worked at. "public". i was not a lecturer on the alt right lecture circuit.

[–]deeman0106 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s all I’m asking.

Also I’m not moving the goalposts. I’m not OP, nor did I comment in this thread previously. So idk what previous argument you can refer to when you say that I’m moving it.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Feefees would presumably be hurt.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I have never seen such a bunch of pussies in my life

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Is there any social consequences for being a lifelong bachelor and only having casual sex with college girls? I know you like to say that men should just do what they want and not give up a fuck about who judges them . but seriously if the people who are judging you are a position of power it will affect you. unless you have "fuck you money" it's hard to not take into consideration who people perceive you for your actions and choices. if my boss is bluepill and see's that i don't own a house and i'm not settled with a wife or kids he might pass me up for promotion because he thinks i'm immature or a flight risk.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

yes.. those are the consequences. thats reality. yet 1000s of men say fuck you and do whatever they want every day, even if it means they never get the corner office. thats life. we live in a culture like all humans who ever lived. do you think a navajo indian was free to act like an arapahoe or to ignore the taboos of his tribe? nope. no ones ever had this freedom

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

alright so i'll just focus on my happiness and ignore the haters.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

isnt that what everyone has to do in the end?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

true. too true

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps you have never faced the threat of physical violence because of things you've said. Until then, you shouldn't be calling anyone a pussy.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

lol i have faced the threat of physical violence and physical violence several times, stop talking out of your ass about people you dont know.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure you have.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just because people don't buy into your pseudo-religious universal morality does not mean that they are nihilists.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well then they’re the worst kinds of moralists if not

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So basically everyone ether agrees with you or they suck?

How convenient.

[–]passepar2t4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The race to care the least

Well put.

[–]MyPasswordisPutin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think ppl here, at least some of them, really do care about the problems of others. They just lose patience with the ones who essentially say “oh but I don’t want to have to change to get what I want.”

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

We are all better served when others pull their heads out of their asses and self-actualize

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

And it's up to them to do that, no one else can do shit about it. Can't help those who don't want help. All the "caring" in the world cannot change that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but rubbing it in isn't helpful and there's a lot of that going around.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I see less rubbing it in, more incels whining and being told to deal with their problems like adults because screaming "REEEEEEE!" doesn't fix shit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's because you are cruel by nature. I think that you enjoy the amplification that you can inflict in an anonymous way.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's because you are cruel by nature.

Hahaha how so? Because I mock pathetic incels? I'm very nice to those who deserve it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mock the weak. That's cruelty. Do you like to harm animals as well?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah animals are cute.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You can tell them that this is so, tell them that by improving themselves they will improve the lives of others too, that to a large extent their happiness is in their hands (avoiding misery is as easy as hitting the gym 6 days a week, not doing drugs, etc.), who doesn't want to be around a happy, productive, fit person glowing with energy?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You can't help the man that seeks excuses and validation instead of solutions. When someone sits down and asks why people don't care about their problems they don't intend to lift themselves and prefer to be lifted by others. This, as opposed to facing their own accountability and responsibility in handling it.

It's the same reason the only reply they'll offer is another excuse--another example of failure--to demonstrate to themselves and others that they have no means of changing their scenario. The world is at fault and the world doesn't care enough, the only thing they want to hear.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly right. Well put.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

And you don't have to share how many fucks you don't give.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nope, I don't. You need fries for that salt?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that people are are purposefully cruel to strangers. There's no reason to do that to someone who's sincere. And if you are willfully cruel to someone who's not asking for it, you're a cunt. ANd there's a lot of unnecessary cuntery going around.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What is the cruelty here exactly?

[–]Menurotica3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you mean change like in lose weight or learn a new skill? Or change as in changing your personality?

[–]hurrem-hutan5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To do the first 2 a person would need the disposition for it. If they don't then they'd need to consider changing aspects of themselves to cultivate a desire to and then follow through with losing weight and learning skills.

Doing the first 2 requires more determination and motivation than people realise.

[–]BeyondTheLight1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are not wrong. The thing however is that most people do have that to a certain degree. They just don't prefer the having going through all that trouble to get the results they want, because they don't really want it that bad. Before anyone comes up with the whole: "well I want billions really bad, but I can't get it!!!!! hruururrhrurhurduururduru". I get that, but you can also be quite content with going from 0 to lets say a few 100k and that is quite doable for most people (in the western world), unless you have some kind of severe disability (think mentally or physically). Keywords are again MOST PEOPLE.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I prefer bluntly not caring to the pretending to give a fuck to rake in those snazzy virtue points. If you ask why people don't care, prepare for the honest answers at least.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's funny to see terps becoming moralfags. They're the ones who started spouting off about their supposed amorality in the first place lmao.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And now you are showing the real thing.

[–]caesarfecitPurple Pill Man121 points122 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

I've been saying this for years. What really offends bloopers is not the existence of RP, but the existence of the issues themselves.

Some of them move the goalposts and act like wanting casual sex makes you some sort of creep. Never mind the fact that the marketplace for casual sex has exploded and it's so fundamentally unbalanced that it has spillover effects into the rest of the SMP as well, and anybody who denies it is in my opinion engaging in self-deception.

Ultimately bloopers cannot accept that women's liberation has resulted in some seriously problematic semi-unintended consequences that effect literally everyone. These consequences affect single men and single women, couples, families, and children. It's actually a really impressive display of cognitive dissonance, similar to what still is happening politically in the wake of Trump - where a certain group of people simply cannot accept that Trump actually won on his own merits.

Ultimately ideological battles are won when one side is able to successfully solve the concerns of the other side better than their own side can. That's why FDR won four terms, why Bill Clinton's triangulation strategy saved his Presidency, and also why feminism would have never gotten off the ground were it not for fathers and brothers acting in the best interests of their sisters, wives, and daughters - as well as their own.

That's also why so many of the discussions on this sub are pointless, futile and tantamount to noise pollution. Most of the people here have no real interest in solutions, no interest in seeking the win-win, and instead just want to rant and tear down the people who frustrate and offend them. The same people they don't understand and don't want to understand.

And if you think a decision to remain ignorant and sneeringly dismissive about the motives and worldviews of people in opposition to you is a wise one... Congratulations, you're still a fucking child and it's a tiny injustice that you're allowed to do adult things like drive and vote.

[–]TheSonofLibertyUndecided11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and tear down the people who frustrate and offend them.

There's a lot of this here

[–]mgtow_19 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is probably one of the best comments I have seen on this forum.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Best post I've seen in months.

[–]BothWaysItGoesLibertarian26 points27 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

What really offends bloopers is not the existence of RP, but the existence of the issues themselves.

Wow, you are right. That’s probably what I felt when I was in my "blue pill" phase.

[–]darkmoon0935 points36 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The inconvenience that these issues are actually real and are felt by men from all walks of life and aren't some boogeyman conspiracy theories conjured up by anti-social neckbeards.

Yeah, I think a lot of Blues here are pissy that these things may actually be real. They'd rather it be swept under the rug and be be forgotten but because it's not going anywhere it makes them lose their shit.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's especially seen in how they talk about incels. These guys aren't willingly being celibate. There is not only no sympathy and they have serious contempt for them, Bpers cannot fathom someone being so unattractive that they cannot get sexual attention from anyone else. They then ridicule them as if that will help people who have been ridiculed their whole lives. No wonder they are angry. No one gives a damn and they expect them to be nice and not bother anyone with their needs or desires. Incels aren't exactly doing themselves favours by being angry, but what else do they have?

Bloopers genuinely believe incels can fix their problems, and they don't want to acknowledge they have a point because it leads to uncomfortable conclusions: maybe women should be more considerate of a wider variety of men. But this isn't going to happen, even if it means ending the incel issue. Bpers are also very quick to point out how RP perpetuates the system by being assholes and treating women more harshly, yet ignore when women treat men poorly and perpetuate the cycle of men turning to RP or becoming incels. It's always men's fault first.

[–]OfSpock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bpers cannot fathom someone being so unattractive that they cannot get sexual attention from anyone else.

That's because we've seen some pretty ugly folks rack up huge numbers of sex partners. Yes, their partners weren't stunning either, but that's why the advice is usually to lower their standards.

[–]eliechallita1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Can't talk for other bloopers, but I'm well aware of these issues and experienced them personally.

I don't have a one size fits all alternative to RP, I just think that RP is the wrong answer to those issues, anf I've had more success with mostly BP ideals

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You don't have to talk for all of them. However bloops don't have a healthy attitude towards incels and blame them for their misfortune, like blaming a black person for being born during slavery. Sure the anger and bitterness don't help but they aren't getting help elsewhere because no one cares.

My point was also about how easily bpers close themselves off to the idea that some men seek and use RP because being themselves or operating with a BP mindset didn't work for them like it worked for you. The BP sub is also a joke filled with thinly veiled contempt, disguised as humour. It's like watching a man recovering from a knee injury trying to climb stairs and mocking them for attempting to trust others who offered help but tripped him up a few times.

They are angry for a reason and it's because of the BluePill mindset that being different is a problem. It's ironic considering how many liberals occupy the BP landscape. I saw an old post on here, among the most upvoted, by a guy who said that he hates RP but understands that it exists because of the anti male view society has, which BPers tap into. I doubt those men would have turned to RP to begin with if their interactions with women weren't as devastating as they were, and all they get told to do is 'man up'.

Men would love to be nice and sweet towards women without being stuck in friendzones, being manipulated or being blamed for women's unhappiness. But women don't care for nice unless it has power or is hot. They will manipulate men if they can get away with denying they did anything at all (look at the hate nice guys get on Reddit. An entire sub dedicated to hating men for trying to be nice and to be friends first and liking the women they are friends with. Such assholes!). And they continue to blame men for their issues.

What exactly were the ostracised of the smp supposed to do?

[–]eliechallita-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

See, I don't disagree with much of what you've said, but in order for what you've said to be completely accurate then you'd have to prove that women actually do everything that you've stated.

I'm not saying that you're wrong: There's a lot of horrible people in the world. But bloops (me included, to a certain extent), don't believe that all women are manipulative bitches. We aren't convinced that these men's experiences are representative, or even that they're accurate. After all, there's usually three sides to every story. And most of us have had ample experience with men treating women like shit and blaming them for all the evil in the world.

So when a guy comes crying that them bitches were milking his wallet and tormenting him on Tinder, our first reaction is going to be suspicion or even scorn because of how often we've seen those stories turn out to be self-aggrandizing fabrications.

I'm not saying that our reactions are as sensitive or reasonable as they should be, but I think that they are justified in many cases. And I'm convinced that turning to TRP for advice on living a good life is like turning to homeopathy because an oncologist couldn't cure your cancer.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When dealing with generalisations, yes, much of it is hyperbole. But for every bloop calling these men's experiences into question (as I said, Bpers cannot fathom that someone would need rp or that the stories could be true) they aren't exactly as critical when women pull shit that men could never get away with.

Sure there are three sides to every story, but that line is never used when blue pillers make claims against men, such as using faulty stats to 'prove' men are the rapists women say they are. BPers also never call into question the experiences of women here, for example, when men call BS.

Rpers experiences might be extreme but so many men keep repeating the same experiences. In other words, if you refuse to take their stance seriously, why should they take yours seriously? Men also aren't running to RP because they haven't tried other ways. Many of them were BP before and tried more mainstream advice. They tried talking more, doing more chores, being as emotionally available as possible but still their relationships sucked. They don't go there because things are going well.

Just about every man I know would love to be nice and have the attraction and loyalty of his partner. But it doesn't work that way. Women don't fuck guys because they are nice. They fuck them because they turn them on. If seeking homeopathy works then why should they go back to chemo when it harmed them in the process? You, much like many bloops here, refuse to acknowledge that some men, a growing number, need that much help or guidance in that way. But where are they supposed to go when there is no place for them?

Women won't sleep with them. Their relationships fall apart. The woman they thought loved them abandoned them. They struggle to interact with women. They are short, unattractive, very nerdy or overweight. I am sure in BP land, short, ugly, fat guys get all the pussy they like. But in the rest of the world? BP mindsets and advice got them nowhere but the friendzone and the feeling of being used. How they feel matters to them. You aren't going to call women to comfort them. You aren't going to magically make them taller or hotter. You aren't even going to care about their sexual success and relationship happiness. But they will and they will try their best to get something out of life that makes them happy.

What irks me isn't that Bpers oppose RP so much as they are blind to the fact that, yes, there are men who suffer loneliness, abandonmen, abuse and betrayal at the hands of women and instead of thinking that maybe the thousands of men who experienced the same shit have a point, they deny it exists and use it as a reason to ridicule and mock men who are trying to come to grips with the truth. No one cares about them. Especially not you guys.

That's why they joined the red pill. You want the red pill to vanish? Get women to be less shallow, change society so it as accepting of men as it is of women, and go on a campaign to promote the interests of men in a way that doesn't have to benefit women for it to be considered good.

But that ain't happening so why should rpers give up doing what they do? For the benefit of the same people who made them miserable, rejected them repeatedly, used them, took their stuff and their kids or who treated them like they were sub human for being born ugly? Women are cruel as fuck to men they deem unworthy of their presence, let alone their vaginas. Go read the stories of some of the incels about what happened to them when they grew up. The bullying, the isolation, the depression. Think about what association that would make in your mind about the opposite sex if every interaction was painful. Now imagine the person getting beaten, humiliated and rejected was a woman and ask yourself: who got more sympathy? Who do I blame more for their own misfortune? Who deserved it more for not being a better human being?

[–]eliechallita1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll write a longer answer after work, but I wanted to point out that I agree with you that these guys have often had it rough.

I know that from first hand experience: I went through much of the same stuff that those incels did during school and early college. It's BP that got me out of it though, and that's why I know that works.

[–]darkmoon092 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't have a one size fits all alternative to RP, I just think that RP is the wrong answer to those issues, anf I've had more success with mostly BP ideals

Can you elaborate more on how RP is wrong and BP has worked for you?

[–]eliechallita5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was exposed to RP and PUA as a teenager and read up on the philosophy back then. I somewhat agreed with the emphasis on self-improvement, but that is far from unique to RP.

However I had deep problems with accepting AWALT and the idea that I had to manipulate women psychologically into finding me attractive by treating them as if they were disposable, as if I cared less than they did, and by viewing them as inferior from an intellectual or maturity stand point. I was especially repulsed by Roosh and other RP luminaries.

BP has worked quite well for me since then: I've had a string of good relationships that began with me simply treating women the way that I wanted to treat them. I didn't lie or manipulate them: I acted according to my own nature, and they enjoyed my company. I didn't score a tremendous n-count or anything, but I didn't care about that, and I did average about a date per week at some points. If I liked someone, I made it clear that I liked them and that they mattered to me. I've actually stayed good friends with most of the women that I dated.

The women that I've dated, and my now-fiancee especially, were mostly attracted to the fact that I was genuinely funny and treated them with kindness and respect. The latter are far from sufficient by themselves, but they've always been a requirement in the relationships I've had. In fact, many of them have outright said how much they like the fact that I have and am comfortable with acting on some qualities that are traditionally considered feminine.

I look much better than I did in my teens, but not good enough to explain by itself the success that I've had since then. I have a good career in tech, but so do most people in our circles in the Bay Area.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you describe this in detail, please? Like, was it that you couldn't imagine someone needing RP or was it that the issues shouldn't exist?

[–]BothWaysItGoesLibertarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't like the idea that men and women were very different (their values, behaviour, etc) so I was trying to rationalize that it is not true. I had an idea similar to "internalized misogyny", but I didn't know the actual word or other concepts of modern feminism because it was like 10 years ago, I was 13 and lived in Russia. I put blue pill in scare quotes because it was actually me who was a contrarian, views of redpill are simply the norm in Russia.

[–]Plopolok19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Trump actually won on his own merits.

I think he won the republican nomination on his own merit, but winning against Clinton was a piece of cake, she lost much more than he won.

[–]caesarfecitPurple Pill Man9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

While I do agree that one of the two big stories from 2016 was the Democrat base failing to turn out for Hillary Clinton, the other big story has to be Trump holding onto his base in the face of easily the biggest media pile-on in living memory. He succeeded in weathering the attack where Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin failed.

[–]TheLongerCon10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Trump won because the voters that he appealed to the most lived in places where it mattered, and the voters he turned off the most lived in places it didn't. Maybe that was his own merits, personally I think some of that, luck, and America's god awful electoral system.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah. Trump won because Obama's base in Milwaukee, Detroit and Philly didn't turn out for Hillary, and they didn't come out for Hillary because (1) Hillary isn't black; and (2) they really wanted Bernie.

[–]TheLongerCon5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Democrats have won those state's without black politicians before. Black voters overwhelming went for Clinton.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And Trump has lived through an even WORSE pile on than Romney or Palin, or even Bush 43. I'm a political junkie, and have been following politics for 30 years. I've never seen anything like the degree of hostility, animus and rage for a public figure like the commielibs have for Trump. It's reached levels of pure insanity.

[–]trumputin77Red Pill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. The fact that some say only incels/ugly/awkward have trouble getting casual sex is troubling. The whole point of a beta is that he can have relationships but never casual sex. The incels are guys who can't get it period.

It really depends on the circles.

[–]darkmoon095 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said my friend.

[–]Johnny_Lawless_EsqSnozzberry Pill7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking bingo. I couldn't have said it better.

[–]rreliable6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What really offends bloopers is not the existence of RP, but the existence of the issues themselves

Good insight.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great comment.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Congratulations, you're still a fucking child and it's a tiny injustice that you're allowed to do adult things like drive and vote.

+1

[–]passepar2t18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At the end of the day, we're animals and some animals are just not going to make it.

I'm strongly pro-red pill but you can't expect the world at large to care about the unfortunate.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism22 points23 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes obviously. If TBP spent 5% of their time trolling and laughing at struggling men to provide guidance the red pill would not exist. They made their decision already. They rather laugh than solve the problem.

[–]MyPasswordisPutin 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You can’t solve other people’s personal problems for them. They have to do it themselves. They have to do what we all do, make the most of ourselves and the opportunities that we get.

[–]SadDoggo452 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And they try, but no one is expert when they start. So men seek out communities to help them.

That is the whole point of the discussion that was linked by OP - men try to improve themselves and seek help in PUA/TRP/something else - while getting mocked by women and society.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This isn't true at all. TRP exists because most men never understand the true nature of women.

In order to overcome this men must enter the top 30% or they will never be successful.

TRP exists because blue pill advice will never address these harsh realities. So your solution amounts to blue pill users constructing the red pill for it to be true.

[–]TheScutFarkisAffair 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

true nature of women

There is no "true nature" of woman. They are as varied as anything else and there is no philosophy that universally applies to either gender.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How many attractive woman of median height do you know that primarily date men shorter than herself?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Until they go though a divorce of their own and it happens to them.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Crushing how it's the only thing that gets through.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every time I read a biggerdthanyou post I know another red piller has been freshly minted.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are two movements: One says your a degenerate shitlord that should prostrate for your original sin of manhood and the other says we understand and here's how to get what you want.

Hmmm. I wonder which people find more appealing.

Also this is an often discussed topic. The top post of all time on this sub is a massive, yet well thought out, wall of text detailing this exact dynamic.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The Feminists/SJW's/BP are all shitting on Red-Pill, but they aren't offering disgruntled men an alternative to turn to.

None of these people need to answer if they aren't people who are out having casual sex to begin with. If they are, all they have to do is say what they are attracted to if they are women, or what has made them attractive to women if they are men.

[–]Plopolok-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What people say on these matters tends to be wrong.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what would make men or women lie to people on the internet who they don't know about what attracts them, or what makes them successful with women. Personally, I'm in the category where I don't enjoy casual sex, so I don't really have any advice for men who want to have it. I try to give relationship advice on threads that call for it, though.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (131 children) | Copy Link

I care about the guys who can't get girlfriends, or have problems in their relationships, or are not getting enough sex from their wife, or feel bad about themselves, or can't find a Taco Bell open this late. But I can't make myself care that some guy isn't getting as much casual sex as he wants.

[–]caesarfecitPurple Pill Man75 points76 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

Translation: If guys don't subscribe to the exact same sexual morality that I do, let them eat cake.

Furthermore, RP holds itself out as something that addresses all of those issues, not just getting laid, so your smug dismissal is just cherrypicking and therefore not an argument.

[–]rreliable18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Translation: If guys don't subscribe to the exact same sexual morality that I do, let them eat cake

Bingo.

You're really on fire tonight.

[–]Intellibunny 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

RP holds itself out as something that addresses all of those issues

Does it make Taco Bells stay open later?

No, it does not. Check and Mate, Red Pill!

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Does it make Taco Bells stay open later?

No, it does not. Check and Mate, Red Pill!

Retreat nto bad jokes when you've got nothing to counter with kinda proves op's point...

[–]caesarfecitPurple Pill Man9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lmao

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

The linked thread was specifically talking about wanting to be able to get casual sex written by a guy who is already in a relationship with a beautiful woman who desires him.

[–]caesarfecitPurple Pill Man11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm not a fan of cheating either but it's no skin off either of our asses.

Unfortunately unless you want to resort to measures most people would consider draconian, the casual sex market is here to stay, and with that inevitably comes some infidelity. But the two are very separate issues unless you're willing to roll back the social clock a few hundred years.

[–]rreliable5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The point doesn't have to be valid to his life. It just has to apply to someone's life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

would you recommend the married redpill? i don't want to cheat like the redpill advocates or anything. i just want to get on my girlfriends level of attractiveness .

i didn't make the thread because i personally want casual sex .i'm quite happy with my situation and would try to make it last as long as possible. i do believe in she's not yours it's just your turn ....because its right shes not my slave or property shes with me untill she no longer wants to be with me

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Alright, it looks like I was unfair to you. I assumed that you wanted to be able to cheat on your girlfriend or at least toy with the idea to even the score.

Use TRP or do whatever you want it's none of my business anyway. I cannot support men who want casual sex because it's a threatening idea to me, but I do support your right to make yourself happy.

[–]alpha_in_progress2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

its a threatening idea to you? how so ?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because I think it means that men don't really love women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

cool cause it felt weird seeing you continuously say i want casual sex and want to cheat....cause i don't and i never said that lol

but one question right .....why is only a problem when nerds want casual sex. girls don't hate when girls want to get casual sex. they just tell them to lose weight , dress skimp, put on make up and go flirt with guys in bar ...and it works .....so whats the big problem why nerds wanting something that other normal people seem to be able to get

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I guess I don't understand why you even brought up casual sex if you are already in a relationship?

Also, if you are in a relationship with a hot woman then you aren't really a nerd. You probably have above average looks and are a Chad-lite at the very least.

This makes you above me SMV wise. Would you expect an ugly old woman to be sympathetic towards a Chad? That's how I view our conversation. You are at the top and asking those far below you to offer sympathy. If you were actually a nerd then I would, but you aren't. You are a Chad who's dating a Stacy while wishing he was an uber Chad.

This is hard for me to relate to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

nerd

Eh I know a chad nerd in my engineering program who studies hard on the weekend and can slay during the weekends. Dating an engineering major stacy.

[–]RageQuitNoRespawn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

well i want to be uber chad so my stacy doesn't branch swing.

I never said i was a nerd. i have interesting hobbies and a good social life thats how i met my gf.

i already told you why i made the post lol. people shit on the nerds for wanting something that normal people can get. then tell them to avoid the only place that tries to help them

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You made two threads. One was titled "Where should I go to learn how to get casual sex?" and when that was deleted by the mods you made another post titled "Where should nerds go to learn about how to get casual sex?

And I don't think you are a nerd. I think you are a Chad who is trying to even the score with his Stacy girlfriend who gets a lot of male attention. You feel like you should be able to get equal amounts of attention from women. You said you want to get offers for casual sex on facebook like she does.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think my first post would have gotten the intended message across.

and that second post with like 60 karma made by the other guy linking to this post ......i was supposed to be making that post

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

then tell them to avoid the only place that tries to help them

To avoid the most bitter and angry place that tries to help them

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

why is men wanting casual sex a threatening idea to you? Genuinely curious here.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Probably because I want men to love me for my personality lol.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Um, if you don't like casual sex, then don't have casual sex.

Men wanting casual sex is no skin off your nose.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't, but the fact that men want it so bad makes me think that they don't really love women at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

wanting casual sex does not mean men don't love women.

As an aside, I don't "love" women. I love some women. But I don't "love women" as a group. Just like women don't "love men" as a group.

I really only "love women" as a group to the extent that some of them are sexually appealing to me.

Why do you expect men to "love women" as a group, when women display unbridled, unrestrained hate for men?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It could probably help you a lot then as it’s full of good ideas about relationships but you have to sort through all the garbage to find it.

[–]RageQuitNoRespawn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

like i'm not fully redpill because they give alot of stupid advice that would prevent any smart, well adjusted woman from committing to them long term. like seriously what quality woman would accept being a plate for months while you vet her. but for casual sex it makes sense.

the point of the thread was that i was looking places on how to get casual sex specifically and found the redpill and pua and such ...but then i realized that people don't like redpill and pua because it promotes manipulation and emotional abuse .....but then i realized that the people who are shitting on the redpill don't provide any good advice ...i mean yeah alot of the redpill is common sense but obviously there is a large enough group of people that didn't realize these things and would like help ...but instead they are being made fun of and being labelled as creeps

there seems to be no empathy for the struggles of nerds

[–]concacanca0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure that /r/marriedredpill is what you want. It's more LTR focused and doesn't go in for casual sex unless the marriage is basically over anyway.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong. It’s provided several primers in n how to “get yours” by cheating while still married and several of its heroes are serial cheaters.

[–]Eastuss 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

And I guess the relationship is strictly monogamous and she was never open to negotiation despite the fact she can leave him at any moment for any reason or refuse to give sex. One of the reason why TRP exists is also to make men realize how skewed our moral is and hw it is mainly beneficial to women. I am not saying women should be sex slaves, but in a world where men are commitment whore and slaves to women, and where women are free to express hypergzmy, I find it hypocrite that polysexuality is looked like a luxury men should be ashamed to want.

[–]Hayasaka-chan4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He is also free to leave the relationship or withhold sex. If he wants an open relationship there are a decent number of women into that so find one of those women. Why should she be the only person expected to change?

Your interpretation of the matter reads like a fundamental compatibility issue. Neither person is wrong for wanting what they want in a relationship but where it gets muddy is when someone tries to step outside their partner's boundaries.

You'll either click or you won't. It's not hard to not cheat on someone.

No one is beholden to their partner to be "open for negotiation" in what they are comfortable with. It should be a conversation and if something mutually beneficial can't be worked out just move away from that relationship.

Just don't be a cheating creep.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He is also free to leave the relationship or withhold sex.

I am also free to have an abortion as a man, but it's not useful. Things are pretty simple, men are more polysexual than hypergamous, women are more hypergamous than polysexual, if you allow hypergamy and forbid polysexuality, you advantage women, there's no hidden logic in this.

there are a decent number of women into that so find one of those women.

No there aren't a "decent" number of women into that.

Why should she be the only person expected to change?

Why do you say that? She doesn't have to change, she might consider let him more free and putting less responsibilities on his shoulder. I know a decent amount of woman who forbid their men from watching porn and masturbating. Control freaks.

Your interpretation of the matter reads like a fundamental compatibility issue. Neither person is wrong for wanting what they want in a relationship but where it gets muddy is when someone tries to step outside their partner's boundaries.

The problem I have is that our society and our moral push us toward a model where women have all benefits and all powers, all while picturing men's needs as bad. I'm not saying something like we should cheat, but more something like exclusivity and other forms of commitment shouldn't be expected from men nor enforced by the laws when nothing really constraint women to give what men want. Or at least, I would like people in here to understand that imbalance, even if there's no clear right solution for everyone to be happy.

Just like I want people to understand that women have currently all powers over a baby's life and a man's responsibilities and men have no decisional power in any way and this is wrong, even if there's no clear solution about how to ethically make things fair for everyone.

Though the only problems I have with cheating are diseases and accidental pregnancies. If these two weren't a problem, I wouldn't even see why men wouldn't cheat.

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If 80% of men want casual sex and 40% of women do*, that's sort of an unbridgeable gap.

  • Put in whatever figures you want but I think everyone agrees men want casual sex way more than women.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t even care if they eat cake. No one owes them food.

[–]Johnny_Lawless_EsqSnozzberry Pill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine. Just realize that if you take this position, then you have no right to be surprised or offended when they start to steal food.

"Stealing food" is, of course, reprehensible, but you can't say you didn't see it coming.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But don’t you see that it’s a problem? When a large number of people feel left out, right or wrong, they’re going to cause problems. They need to be addressed somehow, or they will make their problem into all of our problems.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see it as about as big of a problem as some woman complaining she can't get Chad.

[–]SadDoggo451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual liberation brought decline of the traditional marriage and more freedom to women, and society today pushes women more, so there are now more educated women, earning more and having less dependency on men.

Why is this relevant: Research has shown that one of biggest bringers of stability to civilization was monogamous marriage. Poligamy leaves some men with multiple wives, but if there is roughly same amount of men and women, that means a lot of men are left out. A lot of men with no sense of purpose. That creates problems. Quotes from the Study :

In suppressing intrasexual competition and reducing the size of the pool of unmarried men, normative monogamy reduces crime rates, including rape, murder, assault, robbery and fraud, as well as decreasing personal abuses.

By shifting male efforts from seeking wives to paternal investment, normative monogamy increases savings, child investment and economic productivity. By increasing the relatedness within households, normative monogamy reduces intra-household conflict, leading to lower rates of child neglect, abuse, accidental death and homicide.

Similar situations is happening now - less and less educated high earning men, women don't want marriage any more, women group around high status men, who also don't care about monogamy.

I mean why do you think the alt-right is on the rise? Definitely not because those men think that things are fine and dandy.

[–]CounterintuitiveRam19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I used to want a girlfriend but then I realized that the girls I wanted to be the boyfriend of, all wanted to have casual sex and then have a relationship later, and better yet, they wanted to have it with criminals, drug dealers, bikers and bad boys and not guys who focus on school and are building a future for themselves. It crosses the line in my book. If girls would just have casual sex with nerds and busy-bodies I'd literally not give a fuck because I'd feel like the guys earned it by being upstanding citizens. I may as well enjoy what girls enjoy and not pay girls to cross me by taking them as a long term girlfriend after they've sucked every degenerate dick in the land.

[–]rreliable15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being an upstanding citizen has serious sexual costs. All else being equal, criminality gets you masses more pussy than good citizenship.

We sexually train our men to abandon good citizenship and embrace crime.

Luckily for society, most men try to remain good citizens, despite the sexual punishment for doing so.

[–]BothWaysItGoesLibertarian10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I care about the guys who are not getting enough sex from their wife

I can't make myself care that some guy isn't getting as much casual sex as he wants

So you can empathize with men who feel entitled to sex with their wife, but can’t empathize with men who don’t have a wife?

[–]rpwthrowaway2016LD LTR7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I care about the guys who can't get girlfriends

Sex and romantic relationships are important for psychological health for many people, sex with multiple people whenever they want is most likely not.

[–]segagaga7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You didn't answer his question though. You deflected it with a non-answer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I empathize with men who can't get any or limited sex, but I don't empathize with men who can get plenty of sex and are even in a relationship but specifically want to get casual sex.

[–]Neo2TrinityRiding the Cuck Carousel17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I can't make myself care that some guy isn't getting as much casual sex as he wants.

This is a strawman. Not everyone who studies pickup does it simply to go out sleeping with a bunch of women. It's simply learning about attraction. Women take this for granted because they can just learn how to do makeup and instantly boost their attractiveness.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The OP specifically mentioned getting casual sex.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Even getting "casual sex" doesn't mean "player" or "cad" or "pump and dump".

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What does it mean in your view? Fuck buddies?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It can mean that. Or friends with benefits. or pump and dumps. Or one night stands.

But it doesn't HAVE to mean "player" or "cad", the connotations of which are "man takes advantage of woman" (as if that can even happen in a sexual context).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh ya I agree with you on that, tons of girls just want to shack and then leave. NSA

[–]deeman010-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whilst OP mentioned casual sex, I feel that your point resonates with me quite a bit.

I feel that a lot of the females around me take hard work for granted since it’s so much easier for them to look better.

[–]Neo2TrinityRiding the Cuck Carousel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok. Fair enough.

I guess it's just annoying that men are shamed for this stuff. I know everyone wants to talk about "slut shaming", but men are called creeps and looked down upon. There's also a lot of self improvement stuff in the PUA community.

And also a lot of guys eventually go on to have relationships, but there's nothing wrong with casual sex. Or maybe someone's open to a relationship, but then they sleep together a few times before they get serious and then break it off.

[–]darkmoon0911 points12 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Why not? what's so repulsive about guys wanting more causal sex?

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ8 points9 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

It's not repulsive to want casual sex, it's the things you guys write about women that's repulsive.

[–]darkmoon0931 points32 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

You mean like how women employ their own AFBB sexual strategy? or how women initiate up to 70% of divorces? branchswinging? lying about their sexual past? or how women seemingly treat their alpha fuck buddies better than their actual boyfriends/husbands who commit to them?

You see, part of the problem I think is that RP get a lot of flak for being sexist and hateful towards women, while there some legitimate misogyny among RPers, often times RP get's criticized for simply pointing out commonly observed behavioral trends among women, or just by calling out hypocrisy and double standards in society that favor women, or simply by expressing the notion that perhaps women aren't deserving of any special treatment or consideration simply because they're women? does pointing out the Women Are Wonderful effect count as misogyny? That's the point I'm making - RP critics seem to get upset over anything RP has to say about women that isn't angelic or positive. Anything less than positive about women = 'misogyny ' in the eyes of many RP haters.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ5 points6 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Your entire philosophy is built on the idea that women are inferior to men, and therefore men are justified to treat women like shit.

I have seen posts on TRP calling women inferior, less rational and capable of love, naturally subservient to men, worthless except for our sexuality and get hundreds of votes and mod/EC approval. That is why RPers are repulsive, your whinging little theories about AFBB and "female nature" are just after thoughts, really. They're rationalizations and excuses to treat women the way you guys have always wanted: like shit.

[–]darkmoon0926 points27 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

C'mon, surely you haven't heard of the anger phase? just to be clear for anyone else reading this - yes, misogyny is tolerated within RP because RP understands and acknowledges that for many for the men coming there they are "waking up" to the realization that women are people and people in general tend to be shitty. A lot of times this happens after men have been hurt/abused by women. Surely women also talk shit about men in their own 'locker room'? it doesn't mean they actually hate men in the strictest sense of the world. Why can't these men be afforded that same benefit of the doubt when it comes to women expressing their loathing of men?

Yes, there's some rhetoric in RP that's rather over the top and dramatic, but I can assure you there are those of us who are intelligent and rational human beings capable of weeding through the blatant sexism that we recognize as frustrated guys blowing off steam from the information that's actually sound.

As for mod/EC approval of extreme rhetoric, again RP is meant to be a place that fosters 'locker room' talk free of political correctness and female influence. I'm willing to bet that 90% of the guys who visit TRP aren't going out of their way to be bastards to women in real life. RP even says that wallowing in anger is counterproductive and unhealthy, that it's important to get over the anger and make moves to improve your life.

Most RP guys don't actually hate women, rather they're frustrated with women which breeds feelings of resentment and bitterness. Is that not just...being human?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd15 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Surely women also talk shit about men in their own 'locker room'?

Not even that, they do it openly and no one blinks an eye. "Men are pigs" "men are idiots" and variants are common expressions.

Which I ain't complaining about, it's just funny how it's only sexist when you flip the genders around.

[–]AnimalFactsBot8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Contrary to popular belief, pigs are actually considered to be very clean animals.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They also don't have sweat glands, so the saying "sweating like a pig" makes no sense.

[–]AnimalFactsBot4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A pig’s snout is an important tool for finding food in the ground and sensing the world around them.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No, there's absolutely no excuse for the way RPers act or the things they say. I've been angry plenty of times and never joined a hate group calling men inferior and irrational and worthless. TRP is tainted goods.

Edit: apparently this was a very triggering comment for some folks

[–]darkmoon0911 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you even reading what I'm posting or just outright dismissing me off the bat?

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, "anger phase" I've heard that excuse before.

What you don't seem to understand is that you're trying to excuse the same ideas and rationalizations that led to women being treated unequally in the past as simply new guys stumbling into the "anger phase", and yet the idea of women being irrational and less capable of love and loyalty is enshrined in your precious sidebar. Women being inferior is fundamental to how TRP operates otherwise none of that shit would be there, and ECs wouldn't keep encouraging it.

[–]CounterintuitiveRam4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What about a man who thinks women are superior because of their ability to emotionally manipulate men but that it makes women inferior morally?

[–]concacanca6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fwiw, I'm not RP, probably purple, but I think your points here are strong.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The most fascinating part of TRp to me is that - Being a good person is not conducent to having sex - Certain antisocial behaviours actually INCREASE the chances of having sex - The more you employ these behaviours and the more sex you have, the more it reinforces negative ideas about the opposite sex because - If this is what's working, what does that say about women and their relationship to me?

The conclusion is that while I may or may not have become a total piece of shit along the way, I now understand that women are sexually attracted to pieces of shit. So you can't gloss over that point and go straight to calling TRP names because you don't like what they're saying, you're ignoring a very important point and thats

They are angry about what women are attracted to. Do you see that?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

there isn't any more "Misogyny" at TRP than there is misandry at TBP or in the society at large.

Plus, "misogyny" today means

--disagreeing with a woman

--calling out a woman on her shit

--refusing to put up with shit from a woman

--having standards for women

--having expectations for a wife/GF and demanding that she live up to them

--breaking up with a woman for failing to live up to expectations

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I gave numerous examples of what I consider to be misogynistic about TRP and none of your comment addresses that, go push your ridiculous strawmen at someone else.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, I don't care what YOU consider misogynist. I care about what society considers misogynist, and I set that out. Because we both know I'm right about this.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So your comment is totally irrelevant to mine, you just feel like being antagonizing. Gotcha

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, my comment is relevant to yours in that it explains the irrelevance of your comment to, well, much of anything.

[–]bmoviescreamqueen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I care about what society considers misogynist, and I set that out.

Well that's the problem, isn't it? We live in a society where some guys still think it's okay to rape a woman behind a dumpster and then cry when he's going to be on the sex offender list for the rest of his life. Or guys who feel entitled to have sex and if a woman denies them, they're entitled to shame that woman. If you're using a society as a rule book of what to consider problematic, that is the problem, because that rule book is really outdated.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Casual sex is not a necessity. Intimate relationships are important, but there are avenues other than casual sex through which men can get that fulfillment.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, it doesn't exactly help that modern society/media/pop-culture basically shoves causal sex/party life in your face everywhere you look and essentially sets the tone in deciding that if you aren't partaking in this then it must mean you're somehow defective or "off". The social pressure to get laid is real, for both men and women. No one want to be that "off" awkward fellow who struggles to get a date much less have sex.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet the vast majority of people are in or seeking relationships, not casual sex.

It's almost like the media and pop culture aren't an accurate and realistic reflection of real life, but that's impossible.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

or can't find a Taco Bell open this late

Can confirm. I've transitioned to gyros as my late night food of choice.

You're right though. I have empathy for guys that have legitimate issues. Depression, loneliness, and difficult relationships are very relatable for a lot of people. Not getting as much casual sex as you want is not a relatable problem at all. And it even has an easy solution (get involved in social circles where sleeping around is a thing, and just be fun to be around, and not a salty dipshit like most RPers. I swear, most people on TRP straight up just sound fucking boring and self-important. Nobody likes that).

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you know any social niches where sleeping around is a common thing?

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ren Faires/the SCA.

They're also some of the few places where unironically saying "M'lady" isn't seen as creepy.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Music scenes are a very obvious one.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only guys who get to sleep around in music scenes, or any scenes where sleeping around is a thing, are the attractive men.

The only men who get to sleep around are attractive men.

Ergo, TRP has the solution: BECOME MORE ATTRACTIVE. why do you begrudge men this?

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It can be relatable depending on degree. Casual sex on demand isn't something most men can get. If it's really purely casual sex they want they can always go for a ho or get surgery. If they can't even do that, I'd suspect they're poor too. That's a legitimate issue too (as in: recognized as difficult to fix by most people).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

or can't find a Taco Bell open this late

xD

Sometimes I go to mcds when Taco Bell isn't open.

But yeah, there are some guys here who haven't even held hands with a girl and yet there are fuckers complaining of "only" having an n count of 10.

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There are neither Taco Bell nor McD in my whole fucking country :( Only Burger King and Kentucky Fried Chicken. And all kinds of weird Korean places where you get rice with rice and rice and more rice.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Which cuntry?

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Cambodia. But soon I go to the USA for five weeks, and shall wallow in all the culinary experiences of Taco and McD.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

xD

You don't even have to go to America for that. They have Taco Bell and McD's in Japan and its apparently better than in America lol.

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some time ago KFC managed to convince the Japanese that Westernes ate KFC on Christmas (rather than turkey, which I suppose is what you eat in the USA), and the Japanese wanting to have a hip Western Yule like what they see in Hollywood movies started adopting KFC Christmas as a tradition. Now apparently almost everybody in Japan have KFC for their Buddhist Christmas.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now apparently almost everybody in Japan have KFC for their Buddhist Christmas.

KFC execs in Japan are like, "yacht time" whenever Christmas comes around. xD

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Cambodia.

Oh sick, they sell Valium over the counter there. Can you be the plug fam?

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

They sell everything over the counter. Viagra to steroids. Valium is for border upperclass housefraus.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't need Viagra or steroids but man OTC benzos yes fucking plz mate.

What's the deal with opiates over there?

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't do any drugs or medications. Drugs are nominally illegal but as far as I know readily and cheaply available. If you get nabbed by the police you can bribe yourself out of trouble. I think meth is more common than opiates. Hash is legal. But in general, you probably don't want to go to the third world to do drugs.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah if I was in Cambodia I'd just buy up all the benzos OTC from the pharmacy just wondering if there's also OTC codeine like I have in the UK because that's where it's at Valium + codeine.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I go to mcds when Taco Bell isn't open.

/#MeToo

But yeah, there are some guys here who haven't even held hands with a girl and yet there are fuckers complaining of "only" having an n count of 10.

Yeah, I can't relate to them at all.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

/#MeToo

Should have used \

Yeah, I can't relate to them at all.

Hehe. But you know that we exist. :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Should have used \

Damnit change stop negging me lol.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

xD

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

there are fuckers complaining of "only" having an n count of 10.

Mine's only like 5 must be bottom 80% :(

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's only 5? You said you get laid easily though, and are rejecting a girl for sex who's obsessed with you. Most guys in the same boat who have around the same n-count would easily take up that pussy.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Roughly 5 that I can remember, only including PIV not just blowjobs or girls I "played" with but didn't actually fuck... including anything but PIV in your N is just a lie. And I mean I'm on benzos a lot and uni in particular was quite the haze, fuck if I know.

Anyway if you want my crazy ex so badly you can have her mate. Fly to England I'll hook you two up.

[–]BeyondTheLight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyway if you want my crazy ex so badly you can have her mate. Fly to England I'll hook you two up.

If you ain't a good bro, then I wouldn't know it either.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

💯

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But I can't make myself care that some guy isn't getting as much casual sex as he wants.

I thought you cared for my plight. We shared so many of our deepest insecurities with each other.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You aren't just some guy though.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. You're my friend too. But you still wouldn't care that I've been incel for the past 1-2 days. In a perfect world, we'd all have basic minimum income and there'd be no need for work.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I just want some one to recognize how much of a victim I am that I got 500 Tinder swipes and only 350 were Chads.

[–]Plopolok2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Independently of any moral judgment, if that makes you sad and if somewhere there are people offering effective advice to improve your Chadswipes ratio, I'd point you to them.

Also, that's a strawman. People who go to TRP don't complain that they have only 3 plates when they want 5, their complaints are usually much more legitimate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think all of RP complaints are legitimate except the one mentioned in the OP. And perhaps the rare guy who complains about his wife not having threesomes or letting him fuck other women.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll swipe right on you to make it 351. Would that make you feel less of a victim?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only for two days. Then I become a Chadless Tindercel again.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You'll never get anyone to sympathize with your desire for help or advice to turn men incapable of having casual sex into men who can. It's seen as unmasculine to ask for help, especially when it comes to dating, and raking up a high n-count is seen as the privilege of "naturally" high-value men. Advice on how to turn "beta/nerdy/whatever" men into men with high n-counts upsets the natural order. All of this sucks but there's nothing you can do about it. I also don't see the need for sympathy. If it works for you then just continue to do it. Fuck what anybody else thinks.

Of course, none of this disqualifies the genuine criticism people have for the red pill and the manosphere in general, especially regarding the misogyny seen on it.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It's the natural order for men to struggle and prove and improve themselves. "Betas" improving themselves is in no way against the natural order

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't talking about an actual natural order, I was talking about the way people see the world. There's this general disdain towards people who felt left out and grew up lonely and sexless becoming people that have lots of casual sex. Especially if they in any way embodied nerdy stereotypes growing up.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't see this anywhere

What I see is the expectation to sack up regardless of your circumstances

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Here's a recent article that more or less shows what I'm talking about. Throughout the article there's this sense of disdain and disgust towards these men who are trying to make up for missing out on sex or getting rejected in high school and college. It's almost like the writer and the interviewed women feel as if these dudes no longer know their place.

It's merely a recurring undercurrent and I think the article has a lot of other legitimate things to say but it's something you'll find in a lot of lifestyle articles about modern dating and sex.

Here are some quotes so you don't have to read the whole thing:

In Ava’s experience, however, once men like this land a woman, they are quick to throw her back. After a few extravagant dates, Ava says, she will initiate a conversation about where the tryst is going. The men then end things, several using the same explanation. “They say, ‘I’m still catching up. I lost my virginity when I was 25,’ ” Ava tells me. “And I’ll say, ‘Well, you’re 33 now, are we all caught up yet?’ In any other context, [these fancy dates] would be romantic, but instead it’s charged because no one would fuck them in high school. . . . I honestly think what they want is a do-over because women wouldn’t bone them until now.”

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For many women who describe it, however, it’s a new immaturity—sexist behavior dressed up with a lot of highfalutin talk—that reinforces traditional power structures, demeans women, and boosts some of the biggest male egos in history: just another manifestation of Brotopia.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Probably more disdain at weird and sexually perverse nerds than just guys looking for relationships

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is no disdain for late bloomers or nerd who try and look for a relationship late in the game but some people seem to think that's all they should look for. As soon as those men go looking for lots of casual sex they're being toxic or immature and things like that.

[–]EsauTheRed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would you expect coddling and such from people who largely think what you want is deviant and wrong?

Personally, I am against casual sex, I'm all for casual dating to eventually find a monogamous partner you fit well with, but I think that casual sex and reifying polygamous urges is wrong. Why then are you looking for encouragement and support from me?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All of this sucks but there's nothing you can do about it. I also don't see the need for sympathy. If it works for you then just continue to do it. Fuck what anybody else thinks.

It's right there in my first comment dude. Where the fuck am I expecting to get coddled or looking for your encouragement and support?

I explained a certain cultural attitude, you seemed confused by my assertation that it existed and so I gave you an illustrative example of it.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider11 points12 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

The more men turn PUA, TRP, migtoe, etc, the more women will turn separatists. No one wants a soul-sucker; confidence-destroyer like those men aspire to be. Fuck that.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice41 points42 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

They are just giving woman a taste of their own medicine. Woman have been doing their own version of TRP for ages. Now TRP is just saying "fuck me? well fuck you too".

That's why people talk about the decline. Woman walked away from their role in the grand bargain now men are walking away from their role as well. It becomes a race to the bottom of who can care less and get more while giving less.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider0 points1 point  (35 children) | Copy Link

No, those men are getting left out because no woman today would give them her time. There's no reason for any woman to put up with a man today. Men don't like it and pretend there's some 'decline' (yes, there is, but not what they make out of it). Sour grapes.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice24 points25 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Most of TRP is "enjoying the decline" and getting what they want out of women while giving little to nothing in return. You must remember though that they are doing that as an adaptation the the current environment that was created by feminism.

Never forget that that people act based on the incentives structure that they live in.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider2 points3 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, no one believes those self-masturbatory 'field reports'. Even still, those women must be low-tier just like terpers are. Wishful thinking. The more men turn PUA, TRP, migtoe, etc, the more women will turn separatists. No one wants a soul-sucker; confidence-destroyer like those men aspire to be. Fuck that.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice15 points16 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

They only reason that they are turning into that is in response to women doing it first.

Yall walked away from the table first. TRP is a response to that. It's a bit too late to complain now.

Whinning about it will get you nowhere.

Migtows and their female "separatist" equivalent are losers who have nothing to offer and go on sour grape rants about the other sex not being worth it.

The fact of the matter is simple. There are still plenty of people like me who has good experiences with the opposite sex because we bring something of value to the table and hence can attract the remaining worthwhile people of the opposite sex.

The rest of you can enjoy your race to the bottom.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider-1 points0 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

The metaphorical table you mentioned had shitty buffet. Women need no men, it has always been the other way around. There are still women who have positive experience with good men. The unwanted bitter men join subs like these. I feel zero empathy for them. Women will be fine. It's men who are racing to the bottom.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Only a few women truly don't need men. Most of you truly do need men and depend on them. Even "independent" women get government help, work for men, work for companies founded and run by men, work for government agencies funded by male taxpayers, or have wealthy fathers or sugar daddies.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

In your revenge-fantasies, sure. Men's vile nature and rampant misoginy is prevalent in the media (#MeToo, PUAs, etc). Every woman has heard and experienced this in one way or another. The only women who truly need men are poor, uneducated women.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It's not fantasy, revenge or otherwise. It's just fact. Every woman I've ever known has, at bottom, depended on a man for something. Depended on daddy's money. Depended on boyfriend's physical protection and status. Depended on hubby's money. Depended on male boss for work protection and shielding from her work fuckups. Depended on male coworkers to save her bacon after her repeated work fuckups. Depended on ex husband for alimony and child support. Depended on boyfriend for a place to live. Depended on welfare funded by male taxpayers.

UMC and UC women-dependent on male bosses. Dependent on wealthy husbands or ex husbands. Dependent on daddy's money. Dependent on government services like police and fire protection provided and paid for mostly by men and male taxpayers.

You all depend on men. All of you.

[–]speltspelt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

men are more fundamentally dependent on women than that, they don't spring from the earth as fully formed adults.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, BOYS are dependent on women until they're about 10.

After that, they need the men in their lives to form them up. Mom can't do much of anything to form him up after that.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean I can’t deny I’m one of them although I think my education made me a better, more useful person but I think your assessment is a tad harsh. Especially as women are out achieving men academically and areas not related to physical prowess cuz that will never happen. Do you have a female boss? Jw

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are "outachieving" men academically because higher ed is outright hostile to men.

I don't have a female boss. Most of the people I work for are men. I have had female bosses, and all but one of them were hopelessly incompetent. Most of the women I work with spend more time doing their nails, gossiping, bitching to each other about their husbands/boyfriends, talking to their kids on the phone to resolve fights and problems, and crying about one thing or another at the office instead of actually getting shit done. And even when they do work on shit, the work product I get back usually is shit and has to be redone, BY ME.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Nah woman started it first. Men are just paying along. The current cultural zeitgeist is a result of feminism.

Not that I care. There are still enough good women out there for me so whatever the rest of you does won't affect me.

Go separatist, MGTOW, hide in video games and porn or antidepressants and cats. I don't care. To each the consequences of their own choices.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Good women for good men (by their own estimation). But nice projections here, I see (cats, antidepressants, etc). Could you be any more cliche?

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You just glossed over how I pointed out the cliches of both sexes or did you not read "video games and porn". Seems that you have a narrative and you want to shoehorn everything into said narrative.

Would you have preferred that I say "bottle of wine and a bodice ripper" instead?

Ether way. When I see people "giving up on the other gender" that translates to "I have nothing to offer and I suck so the only people that I can get with suck also so I'll take my ball and go home"

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

what happens when women "don't put up with" men is:

--women whinging about "where have all the good men gone" (i.e. where are all the hawt men lining up to offer me marriage?")

--women whinging about attractive men who pump and dump them, lie to them to get sex, play them, etc.

--women unable to get commitment even from men who would have gladly wifed them up after a decade on the carousel

--women sleeping with and sexually sharing attractive men, women joining harems, women sleeping with married men (and complaining about it while still doing it because it's better than no human contact at all and because there are no single men of sufficient attractiveness)

--single mothers

--women on welfare, working makework paperpusher jobs

Women fending for themselves and raising children alone has been a scourge on the West and continues to be.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So? Better all of this than depending on some doodbro, just because he has a penis. #slootsftw

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So don't go around with all this "strong independent woman" bullshit. Women who do all of these things (as you now admit) are neither strong nor independent.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see that you have your narrative set in stone. No amount of arguments will change a 50-something-year old's p.o.v. Women and I don't care.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ok don't care. Nice downvote, BTW.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

There are just as many women out there looking to destroy men

And there are many people who turn to TRP simply as a sort of "defense against the dark arts" sort of thing, and as cold, hard motivation toward self-improvement

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

There are just as many women out there looking to destroy men

Like what?

"defense against the dark arts"

Whaaat? "Dark arts" being what exactly? Women's growing independence that scares males away?I visit their subs regularly and there's like 1 in 1200 posts about actual workout+diet self-improvement tips. The rest is woman-bashing, strategies to gaslight them, fake-ass field reports ,etc. Please.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't actually visit TRP so I wouldn't know, I don't care so much about the sub

Plenty of women lie to men, use and lead men on for their money and resources, cheat on the man they are with whom they claim to love, etc.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Women's independence is growing. They are outperforming men academically and earning their own money. They are no more building lives around men. The women you described above are not those women. They are the bottom of the barrel.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Higher education is a racket

Plenty of "educated" women are still looking for men to provide

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

True - most "educated" women are working stupid government make work bullshit paperpusher jobs, or "work" for companies run by men. Most women don't actually "work" at their jobs.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of educated women (why are you undervaluing their degree? Are you any better? No? Then shush) want a partner that can contribute.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm undervaluing it because it is one of the crises of our generation, we were told that uni education was our ticket to the middle class and so pursued education in droves, wasting years of our lives learning things that are not applicable on the job market and loading ourselves with debt

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't that apply to everyone? It's not a woman-only issue.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes, it applies to everyone more or less

Though not everyone is impacted by it, and men tend to go for majors that have defined career paths, and we see over time more and more women pursuing higher education

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

academically

Only due to government intervention.

Take away the welfare state and you’ll find out which gender is more productive

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, that makes no sense. No one's stopping men from succeeding. The govt. just makes sure there are enough girls in each classroom. Your success rate is solely up to you.

[–]Neo2TrinityRiding the Cuck Carousel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there are many people who turn to TRP simply as a sort of "defense against the dark arts" sort of thing

This kind of conjured up Harry Potter for me lol. "Harry Potter and the Cock Carousel"

and as cold, hard motivation toward self-improvement

Yeah. I'm in eternal monk mode due to chronic illness so this is my main focus with the community. "Inner Game" as David Deangelo called it (idk if he coined the term, but it's the first place I heard it).

[–]AlanHalworthPurple Pill / BP++5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe RP is actually the most effective teacher on how to get casual sex that one can find on the internet. However, it achieves this mostly by replacing one group of alphas with another group of alphas. Even if feminists care about men (which I think they do), why should they care about replacing one group of alphas with another? Wouldn't they feel bad for the outgoing alphas?

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymoreRed Pill Man6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

None of the comments are able to answer the question. They skirt around it. They say things like ''Why should we care?'' but this is precisely the point, and the problem...

Those comment's unsaid truth is that, if you have to ask a question like that (how to get casual sex), you don't deserve it in the first place.

Women just don't want wolfs in sheepskin, aka. betas pretending to be alpha. Women can get casual sex easily, so after that, the next "challenge" is to be with men who they desire.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women can get casual sex easily, so after that, the next "challenge" is to be with men who they desire.

Why would anyone want to have casual sex with someone they don't desire?

Aren't you just saying that women can't actually get casual sex with the men they want to have casual sex with easily after all?

[–]SadDoggo450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if you have to ask a question like that (how to get casual sex), you don't deserve it in the first place

I can't agree with you. No one is good at something naturally. If a person has great "talent" for drawing, it's probably because parents have them a lot of coloring books and it was their play time. Same goes for any other skill. Raise a kid in a complete darkness, and he/she will never learn to use their eyes.

People with normal childhoods take social interaction for granted, but there are many reasons why persons would be bad at that - helicopter or narcissistic parents, childhood trauma, moving/changing schools often, getting bullied in the school, getting home schooled or going in all men's school...

You are saying because your life circumstances were such that they shaped you into a person that sucks at dating/talking to woman/finding a romantic partner/finding a sexual partner, you should do anything because you don't deserve it. And you shouldn't even try.

[–]KerPop42Neo was trans8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You're misrepresenting their comments. The "why should we care" is in response to the post asking "why don't women care [that nerdy men can't get a lot of sex]?"

Also, there are many responses saying that they need to learn from their friends, or settle for an LTR like the majority of people. Just because TRP cares doesn't mean it's right.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

or settle for an LTR like the majority of people

If this advice was given to women, it'd be called old fashioned sexist slut-shaming.

[–]KerPop42Neo was trans5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone might, say that, sure, but telling a woman complaining about not getting a lot of sex to go for an LTR is not slut-shaming.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it'd be called old fashioned sexist slut-shaming.

yeh, and? why would you care if it was "called" that by some internet holes youll never meet or fuck

[–]SadDoggo451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of men today can't even find a decent girlfriend, for myriad of different reasons. One guy I know had helicopter parents, one was bullied and lacks confidence.

You say "you should settle for an LTR" like you go out, find sutable partner on the first try and go into LTR.

You know it doesn't work that way. You need to date around until you find a decent match. And for people who suck at dating, PuA gives some help.

[–]GridReXXit be like that17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

From that OP:

Why don't women care that some men can't get casual sex and mock them for trying?

Honestly, I think on some deep subconscious lizard brain level it reads as this:

"Why don't men care that some women can't get bankrolled by men and why do they mock those women for trying?"

It's like asking men why they aren't rolling out the red carpet of sympathy for failed "gold diggers."

Also, a man a woman finds unattractive asking said woman for casual sex is counterintuitive.

It's like a gay man asking a straight man what's the best way said gay man can fuck the straight dude in the ass. I'm sure he means well but the straight dude is not trying to envision being penetrated by someone, and especially someone he's not attracted to.

[–]Plopolok3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But women have casual sex, probably most of them tried at least a few times.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven't.

[–]Neo2TrinityRiding the Cuck Carousel9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mark Manson has a book called Models: Attract Women Through Honesty

Models is the first men's dating book ever written on seduction as a purely emotional process rather than a logical one, a process of connecting with women rather than impressing them, a process of self-expression rather than manipulation. It's the most mature and honest guide on how a man can attract women without faking behavior, without lying and without emulating others. A game-changer.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your point might have leverage if any of us believed that RP actually gave a shit about men. They don't.

[–]sovietterran8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So these men are turning to a sub that's all about focusing on only their happiness, and being seethingly angry, dehumanizing, and vile toward women because they are sometimes not Altruistic towards certain men, because those big bad feminists and SJWs and women aren't making sex a charity?

[–]madscientistlove 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

None of the comments are able to answer the question.

It's not an inability to answer the question. The question assumes that casual sex is an acceptable goal to have, and so I disagree with the basis of the question. I think people shouldn't be having casual sex, so it wouldn't be in my agenda's favor to provide an alternative to PUA or TRP.

[–]Starphysics6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t realized people still thought people shouldn’t have casual sex. Why not?

[–]madscientistlove 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It's against my religion. I think people should only have sex in marriage.

[–]Starphysics6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is extraordinarily archaic and you shouldn’t expect others to follow those rules.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillar of the community6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's great if you could pull this off, but you are closing the barn door after the animals have wandered off.

Marriage rates are declining and marriage needs an overhaul if it wants to attract more people. Divorce rates are also very high and our best answer to it is 'well, people aren't committed enough.' Maybe the incentives are poor or we ignore cultural trends in a bid to hold onto the past.

The past is not coming back, not in the same way anyway.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The past could "come back" and it probably will, but it is going to take a long time and will be extremely painful for a lot of people.

[–]Plopolok3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Imagine you're vegetarian. Wouldn't you try to have some influence on where and how non-vegetarians get their meat?

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a veggie and don't give a shit what meat eaters do. Even if I did I'd never influence their decisions anyway so it'd be pointless.

[–]TheBookOfSeilCuckleberry Finn6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The Feminists/SJW's/BP are all shitting on Red-Pill, but they aren't offering disgruntled men an alternative to turn to.

Should they? Are they supposed to? If men are "disgruntled," then they should take the initiative and do something about it themselves, rather than wait around and be handed a magic pill or ancient stone tablet that is "the answer to all of their problems." People need to search high and low (and also within themselves) to find what it is that they're looking for.

If they need to read something that tells them they need more life experience to get what they want, then their lethargic mindset is going to be the only thing f*cking them.

[–]rulenumber3035 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The ways to be attractive have always been promoted and have never been a massive TRP secret, nerds just ignored them throughout their childhood and teen years because they thought they knew better and did not personally find physical activity, getting out the house and learning how to be social a fun thing to do.

It is perfectly reasonable that nobody wants to take on unpaid responsibility for walking someone through a very complicated long-term project with multiple stumbling blocks and multiple goals when that someone has a track record of petulance and not listening to advice and have also left the journey until so late that they may not complete it. Indeed, TRP itself often backs off sharply from a huge number of things that most of its members desperately currently or eventually want help with (for example "how can I get this ONE girl" and "how can I save the relationship I'm in") purely because the men who seek out TRP are such needy timesucks full of excuse and emotional blackmail and who tend to be ready to round upon those who help them and deliver a savaging.

Have you ever considered that no-one gets everything they want in life, that this is one of the major themes of adulthood and that situations where a man's sex drive is part of the equation are not exceptions to this?

Any sort of statement or implication that anyone makes that says they can solve another person's attractiveness problems is very much mistaken and possibly a bit unethical. Only you can solve those problems because you are the problems. All anyone else can do is by discussion give you new angles to consider the problems from.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The ways to be attractive have always been promoted and have never been a massive TRP secret, nerds just ignored them throughout their childhood and teen years because they thought they knew better and did not personally find physical activity, getting out the house and learning how to be social a fun thing to do.

This is very much true. If you are 22 or 25, no friends, no experience with women, you are very much behind the eight ball and may need several years of heroic, well-above-average effort just to get the results that your average peers get. And these guys don't want average results, they want the type of results that genetically-blessed individuals have been moving towards since they were in grade school.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah for whatever reason you guys are too busy with your life to help the nerds get their stupid goal.

the redpill cares about their stupid goal. so just stop picking on the nerds and leave them to try to improve themselves

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one is picking on TRP because they try to help nerds improve themselves.

We are picking on TRP because it's a bunch of angry, bitter men spreading their misogynistic beliefs and making it even harder for those nerds to connect with women by deliberately othering them, discouraging them from friendship with women and from ever letting them get close emotionally.

We just think that those nerds should get their dating advice from mainstream sources like normal people and not from an angry conspiracy board where half the mods are virgins yet think that they are experts on women.

[–]rulenumber3032 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah for whatever reason you guys are too busy with your life

That's because to have an average normal sort of life pretty much takes up all an average normal sort of person has to offer. Nobody has time or spirit to be 100% on the hook for the rescue of another person in anything that will take hour after hour of thankless work unless that person is their lover or their child.

TRP doesn't care about you either, it just is less honest about not caring. Where anyone else will say outright "yeah that's my limit" TRP works around that by pretending its limit for putting up with you is THE limit not THEIR limit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP itself often backs off sharply from a huge number of things that most of its members desperately currently or eventually want help with (for example "how can I get this ONE girl" and "how can I save the relationship I'm in")

Strawman. TRP says "well, you probably can't get that one girl. Go get another one" and "well, you probably can't save that relationship. Improve yourself so that if you want another one, you can get one that works for you".

[–]Morgoff5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They shouldn't have to care about men not getting enough casual sex. Loneliness in general is a problem for both sexes, but blue balls not so much.

And the key to getting dates is confidence (which you have to work on yourself), perseverance and learning to handle rejection. Which is all hard work for a lot of people understandably.

There's no magic formula for it really. PUAs are selling snake oil. Even a drunken "You're fucking gorgeous you are" to the right girl will get you somewhere. Doesn't mean it'll work on everyone. Same with PUA techniques.

[–]sketch1620005 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being attractive is pretty damn close to a magic formula FWIW

[–]Blue_Violet23Blue Pill Woman10 points11 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

It's not people's job to care because some loser-incel doesn't get any. It's his responsibility to adjust/possibly lower his standards so that he can get some. Society and women don't owe these men sex.

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man14 points15 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I used to be an incel, 11 years ago, before the term had even reached the internet, but that is terrible advice for men. It helped to get me laid, but it didn’t work to make me happy. Raising myself up into the top 20% of men had far better results. But that didn’t come until after a few years of wasted time on women that did not satisfy me.

[–]mrcs84usnFatty Fat Neck Beard12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Lower Your Standards." Yeah, because nothing is better than actively pursuing people we aren't interested in, and for the record, most men aren't even shooting for an 8-9/10.

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

When I lost my virginity it was to a 3/10 she was probably 5’2” and a good 260lbs

She told me she loved me that night. Afterward she told me how she lost custody of her child because she put it in the oven and threatened to turn it on during a fight with her baby-daddy.

I never saw her again. (Thank god). I would have gladly been fine with a 3/10 that wasn’t crazy or a 5/10 That was a little crazy. That’s how horny and lonely and desperate men will become after a lifetime without sex.

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Wtf man, don't you have any self-respect

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I was told that if women didn’t want to sleep with me, it’s because I was a terrible person and I needed to lower my standards.

Edit: this was 11 years ago... so if you’re asking if I have self-respect now, of course I do, I wouldn’t ever do anything like that again. Nor do I need to.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Top 20%? What does that entail these days?

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You mean describe myself, or describe what’s required to be in the category of men as what’s in the top 20%

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Isn't that the same thing based on what you said?

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure I’ll even go a step further.

Let’s talk about the fabled top 5% of men first.

This is not just in terms appearance. But could also be the top men in terms of wealth and social status.

This is all generalities. In order for an 8/10 appearance guy to be on par with a 9/10 appearance guy he has to make something like double the salary.

Mayors of large cities, governors, millionaires, attractive doctors and lawyers making say 200k+ in the Midwest, maybe 300k+ if we’re talking about the coasts, corporate executives. Landlords with lots of properties. Trust fund babies. Real celebrities, YouTube “celebrities”. Bodybuilders, especially professional body builders. Men in a popular band.

Next we fall down to the top 10% of men, that don’t otherwise qualify for “top-tier” status this is your standard 6/6/6 number to get to that category that don’t fit the previous categories of top 5% men. 6 figures, 6 foot tall, 6 pack abs, bigger than a 6 inch dick. Guys who spend a lot of time in the gym but are otherwise struggling in life - maybe a personal trainer. Someone maybe like a small town mayor.

Next we include the next category of men, the 20%, they miss out on multiple categories or one category by a lot. This would be your 5’9” - 5’10” doctor or highly successful engineer who works out and eats healthy but isnt ripped. Your tall attractive man with an extremely beta personality. Might be the cute guy in the office surrounded by women all day. Guys who work out a lot but maybe aren’t that successful at all in life the local gym lunkhead. We’re talking about still good looking men for the most part unless they make up for it in other extreme ways. So like a bodybuilder with a downright ugly face. Or maybe we’re talking about leaders of men, but in esoteric ways, like the tallest and most attractive man at the magic the gathering tournament.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The "top 5% of men" is over 8 million men in the US alone. They're not all mayors and pop stars and executives. There are 17,600 "top 5% men" in the city of Seattle alone.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is all generalities. In order for an 8/10 appearance guy to be on par with a 9/10 appearance guy he has to make something like double the salary.

Quite the wild assumption there regarding RMV perceptions of others.

Mayors of large cities, governors, millionaires, attractive doctors and lawyers making say 200k+ in the Midwest, maybe 300k+ if we’re talking about the coasts, corporate executives. Landlords with lots of properties. Trust fund babies. Real celebrities, YouTube “celebrities”. Bodybuilders, especially professional body builders. Men in a popular band.

So YouTube "celebrities" that are borderline broke are top 1%? What category is this describing? 9/10? 10/10? Isn't that described below?

Next we fall down to the top 10% of men, that don’t otherwise qualify for “top-tier” status this is your standard 6/6/6 number to get to that category that don’t fit the previous categories of top 5% men. 6 figures, 6 foot tall, 6 pack abs, bigger than a 6 inch dick. Guys who spend a lot of time in the gym but are otherwise struggling in life - maybe a personal trainer. Someone maybe like a small town mayor.

That's such bullshit LOL.

The amount of men with 6/6/6/6 is like <.01%. This is mathematically provable. Let's try.

6" penis = <10% of males (clinically measured) 6-figures = <15% of males (closer to 10% for overall population inc. non-college grads) 6-feet = <15% (basic demographics) 6-pack = oh boy, maybe 1%? I'll be generous and say <5% (best guess based on DEXA statistics)

.1.15.15*.05 = 0.000113 or 0.0113% or 1/10000 men. Wow, almost right on.

LOL @ Top 10%.

Next we include the next category of men, the 20%, they miss out on multiple categories or one category by a lot. This would be your 5’9” - 5’10” doctor or highly successful engineer who works out and eats healthy but isnt ripped. Your tall attractive man with an extremely beta personality. Might be the cute guy in the office surrounded by women all day. Guys who work out a lot but maybe aren’t that successful at all in life the local gym lunkhead. We’re talking about still good looking men for the most part unless they make up for it in other extreme ways. So like a bodybuilder with a downright ugly face. Or maybe we’re talking about leaders of men, but in esoteric ways, like the tallest and most attractive man at the magic the gathering tournament.

A bodybuilder with an unattractive face? So you have a body unappealing to most women (too muscular) with an ugly face? Nothing else smarts/status or personality/character wise that's redeaming? That's bottom 50% automatically.

Do you see how ridiculously arbitrary everything you said was?

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok, so you’re not actually going to engage me in a fair and honest matter fine.

A) a lot of YouTube celebrities are earning > 100,000 . I think you’d be surprised. I certainly was. Logan Paul just made the news the other day. I’d never heard of him. He makes approximately 6 million dollars a year for vlogging. Google who his girlfriend is... it changes all the time, but there have been 3 different subjective 10s in the past year. (Possibly more)

B) you’re bad at math. You can’t just take all the numbers and multiple because there is actually a lot of overlap between height and income. Yes, only 15% of men are taller than 6 foot, but a disproportionate number of them make significantly more than average income. So I’m saying that these men make up roughly 5% of the population. (And im not wrong). And I gave an example where it doesn’t have to quite fit the entire 6/6/6 paradigm (5’11” fit surgeon making 300,000 a year could easily fall into the category). As could a 6’3” head chef making 80,000 a year. Similarly, you might break into the 10% category if you’re 5’11”, only make 60,000 a year, but you have a 10 inch penis, there are plenty of size queens out there. (Example, all the BBC out there). I don’t judge who gets the sex, I just observe who does.

Just because this is what I label as top 10% this is really the 5-10% because they might be the “best men” on paper, but they lack that significant outlier that keeps them away from the top 5% men. Whether it’s salary, or attractiveness or strength or prestige or even their mentality.

C) bodybuilder with an unattractive face: Example: https://goo.gl/images/g3jh77

And you know what, he’s probably higher than top 20%. I bet closer to top 5%

So here’s a better example: https://goo.gl/images/YNTKbc first wife https://goo.gl/images/1Vo7Vy second wife.

That is a downright unattractive man, he might be a 4 in terms of facial aesthetics alone... but more than makes up for it with an amazing body. His first wife is probably a 6. Second wife is a 7. This is a man that is definitely within the top 20% of all men despite not doing much other than having a great body.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, so you’re not actually going to engage me in a fair and honest matter fine.

A) a lot of YouTube celebrities are earning > 100,000 . I think you’d be surprised. I certainly was. Logan Paul just made the news the other day. I’d never heard of him. He makes approximately 6 million dollars a year for vlogging. Google who his girlfriend is... it changes all the time, but there have been 3 different subjective 10s in the past year. (Possibly more)

A lot of them are earning > 100K? Where'd you get that idea? I know a very select few from the whole are very successful, but far more have admitted that YT income is "bleh."

B) you’re bad at math. You can’t just take all the numbers and multiple because there is actually a lot of overlap between height and income. Yes, only 15% of men are taller than 6 foot, but a disproportionate number of them make significantly more than average income. So I’m saying that these men make up roughly 5% of the population. (And im not wrong). And I gave an example where it doesn’t have to quite fit the entire 6/6/6 paradigm (5’11” fit surgeon making 300,000 a year could easily fall into the category). As could a 6’3” head chef making 80,000 a year. Similarly, you might break into the 10% category if you’re 5’11”, only make 60,000 a year, but you have a 10 inch penis, there are plenty of size queens out there. (Example, all the BBC out there).

My math is good enough to prove you're full of crap. I doesn't matter if there's a modest correlation between height and income. It's something like $1000/year/inch? Versus the median that's an extra 2K/year (5'10 vs 6').

Feel free to assume that it's not <15% of males making 100K, but <20% (a very generous addition in your favor). Doesn't change the outcome.

Not to mention this obsession with height and penis is pretty funny, but I won't even go there.

How you've decided that these random examples of men (esp. the 6'3 80K/year chef) fit into the "top 5%" is beyond arbitrary.

I don’t judge who gets the sex, I just observe who does.

No, you speculate/guess, at best, since you don't know what's happening behind closed doors and can't know what someone is thinking.

C) bodybuilder with an unattractive face: Example: https://goo.gl/images/g3jh77

And you know what, he’s probably higher than top 20%. I bet closer to top 5%

This dude is going to be bleh to nasty to the vast majority of women. Muscularity has a very real inverted U-curve vs attractiveness.

So here’s a better example: https://goo.gl/images/YNTKbc first wife https://goo.gl/images/1Vo7Vy second wife.

That is a downright unattractive man, he might be a 4 in terms of facial aesthetics alone... but more than makes up for it with an amazing body. His first wife is probably a 6. Second wife is a 7. This is a man that is definitely within the top 20% of all men despite not doing much other than having a great body.

Ronnie Coleman is more likely making up for his "unattractive face" with his confident personality and champion mentality much more so than his body - that much I'll bet.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Noone believes they are owed sex. RP certainly doesn't. RP tells these men why they're failing, and gives them solutions.

BP just points and laugh at them, without giving the appropriate advice on how to change.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is PPD not BP. TRP also does not really care if others find them distasteful, if anything they like that aspect.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman9 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely do not care about nerdy guys who cannot get casual sex. Part of that is my personal aversion to casual sex, no doubt. I feel sympathy for people who struggle to obtain or maintain relationships but that is a completely different topic.

[–]Nu_Guy22 points23 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I could be wrong, but I feel like people who say this use it as a cop out because it is the PC thing to say.

I don't think people in general care much about mens emotional problems.

TRP also explains how to keep attract and keep a woman by bettering yourself. Not just casual sex as OP brought up

[–]RainbowStarSeeker2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Treating women like lesser beings is not "bettering oneself"

[–]Nu_Guy9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I dont think the core principle is to treat women like lesser beings. You see those comments here and there but that is not the main principle.

I think what you are referring to is the concept that women want a guy who is better than them.

To that I say, I agree 100%

[–]RainbowStarSeeker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ew

[–]RainbowStarSeeker-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You literally just exemplified my point

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Taller, stronger, faster, smarter, richer, higher status

Women don’t want an “equal”

[–]RainbowStarSeeker-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women want to be seen as equals as human beings...yes, absolutely.

Your misogyny is noted.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But they want men who are better than they are.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m pointing out women want men who are better than they are

[–]Nu_Guy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can give you examples, But I don't think you want to explore that possibility.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So then OP what has TRP done for you, are you regularly smashing sluts? Do you have a fact filled FR to share with us?

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice troll bait, but it doesn’t matter how many times you get laid, someone will think it’s gross because it’s so high, and someone else will think you’re lying and exaggerating because they can’t imagine someone having that much sex.

It’s a no-win proposition.

For the record, trp helps me a lot with casual sex. I had an 18 year old girlfriend (we dated 9 months) cheat on me a few months ago. Since then, I’ve had sex with 7 different women in a 3 month timeframe. I’m not happy with my situation, but lack of sex is not a problem.

[–]storffish6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I ask again, why are these nerds expecting strangers on the internet who don't know them from Adam to not only care about their problems but help them fix them? why can't they ask their friends? people who know them personally and have insight into their personalities and behavior.

if their answer is "I don't have any friends" or "my friends are all just as autistic as I am" then I found the problem.

[–]caesarfecitPurple Pill Man10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't give a shit about anybody on this sub, especially the shittier mods.

That doesn't mean I don't give a damn about gender issues for both sides, and the profound long-term ramifications of those issues for society.

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because if I post on /r/cars about a car problem, I expect good answers. If I post on /r/aquariums about my fish being sick, I expect people to help me because they care about the subject, that’s why they subscribe.

If I post on /r/relationships I would expect to receive terrible advice that would harm me.

[–]storffish4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

cars and aquariums can give you relatively objective answers based on described problems (but will often still refer you to an expert.) relationships are highly subjective and emotional, you need to know both sides of the story and the people involved to have any insight. people are pretty shitty at self-reporting when it comes to how they act and are perceived. this is exactly my point.

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mmmhmm, that’s why the blue pill relationship subs are sooo careful about giving advice, bzzzzt wrong answer, they will spout blue pill wisdom as if it’s the truth. And once you’ve had enough relationship experience, you’ll see that the advice you get from TRP is actually going to work.

[–]storffish3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

strangers on the internet, no matter what their bent, cannot give accurate relationship advice to people they don't know. they can encourage you to drink their particular koolaid, but they don't know you from adam.

[–]TyrannicalWill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You go to a red pilled community for red pill wisdom, not your most likely dumb friends. Also, privacy is a bonus.

[–]storffish4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

most likely dumb friends

then get better friends. nobody can teach you to get chicks like an older, more experienced guy who knows you personally. I found this sub from watching my friend attempt to use "red pill wisdom" and make a fool out of himself.

[–]TyrannicalWill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I found this sub from watching my friend attempt to use "red pill wisdom" and make a fool out of himself.

Never failing is the ultimate failure

[–]PBRScagsquad(((Prima Illuminatus)))6 points7 points  (78 children) | Copy Link

Well what do you want us all to do? Open up training centres for these guys? Free prostitutes for them to use as practice, setting them up with girls, what?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Admit they don't care

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Do you care?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Why? Maybe you can help me empathize.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

For all the women that a man could look for getting a relationship, for some of them the bar for a relationship will be getting them to have casual sex with him first

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Do Redpillers see casual sex as a means to get a relationship or a goal in itself?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

For them it is a goal in itself

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

That's what I can't relate to. If they really liked the women they sleep with, they would want a relationship and not casual sex.

[–]the_calibre_cat6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Is it really that hard to relate to?

If you're a dude that can get casual sex... then you're a dude that's got something going for him among the ladies. You've got some special sauce that they really like, and given that the ultimate arbiter of "success" is whether or not you fulfilled your genetic imperative, this is an incredibly validating feeling.

I get that you can't relate to it, you're a woman, the way you fulfill your genetic imperative is getting into a relationship and cultivating a resource base to nurture your offspring. Men certainly have this drive to a degree, but not to as much of a degree as you do, because we can go out and make several ladies pregnant in literally the same day.

It's different. You can't relate to it, and I don't think society can or will do something about it, short of inventing a drug that just kills male sex drive, and even then - you think that wouldn't be just a huge social stigma? You think men who choose to sexually abstain will be respected by broader society?

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it really that hard to believe that a man (or woman) might care about someone as a friend, be attracted enough to fuck them, but have no interest in a romantic relationship and all the associated baggage?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is strange

[–]PBRScagsquad(((Prima Illuminatus)))0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fine, I can get behind that, I think I have always been upfront about my feelings on the matter. A lot of other people on here are not though. cough BP males cough

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Maybe instead of trolling RP actually make your own alternative for men who need the advice. Sort of like...The Red Pill....

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.12 points13 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Most people here are not “trolling” TRP, this is a debate sub, not an advice sub. Many of us here are not here to give advice to men. So if your question is why aren’t we all offering alternatives, that’s why. Not exactly the place for it. That being said, in many posts it does get brought up and many people do try and give advice. Remember when incels weren’t banned?

[–]purgingyourface 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Thinly veiled trolling called debate or discussion, you mean.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

What do you know? You have a one day old account.

[–]TheSonofLibertyUndecided1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I actually agree with the comment you're replying too.

Don't you remember that one kid the more mean-girls-esk bill pillers here ran off a few years back?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk who you are speaking of, xem?

[–]TheSonofLibertyUndecided1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

ya that rings a bell

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

His name was xemnas, that’s not why he left tho

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

He's.... actually got a point, given the direction and level of discourse in this sub most of the time.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate alts

[–]EsauTheRed 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I guess there could be differences in what people think debate is for

For some, it's simply to argue and win, for others, it is an attempt to further analyze concepts and reach something more akin to the truth (dialectic)

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely

[–]caesarfecitPurple Pill Man3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most people here are not “trolling” TRP

That's rich. There's no shortage of bad faith shitposters on both sides in this sub and literally everybody knows it.

Furthermore, BP explicitly calls itself a satire of RP, therefore they have no interest in offering a genuine counter-argument.

[–]MrsEdith8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's an alternative. Be as attractive as you can be. Make friends with men that aren't losers. (If you can't do this, you can't even deal with women). Don't whine. Be confident and be chill. Stay away from echo chambers that bitch about women. Men that bitch about women are weak. Weak men are subhuman scum that dry up vaginas. You're welcome:)

[–]sovietterran5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An alternative to TRP would mean accepting faults and personal failings instead of pretending to while blaming women and our culture. Most of TRP doesn't seem to want to accept that.

[–]antariuszRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The advice would have to work, or men would abandon it. Just like how PUA lost a lot of popularity as men discovered they could get sex but failed in relationships.

Sure, health fads come and go, but there is a reason subs like /r/Keto and r/fitness are always brimming.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women should stop lending a listening ear to men. It has been taken advantage of for so long, it has to stop.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound pretty beta, TRP doesn't need some lame random defending them.

[–]PBRScagsquad(((Prima Illuminatus)))-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I rip into everyone on here, regardless would I get paid for doing so, I want something in return for molding these people into lady killers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you admit you don't care about the issues betas have in todays world?

[–]PBRScagsquad(((Prima Illuminatus)))4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not unless I am being paid to or am getting any reward for doing so, no. I don't hate them, I'm just indifferent.

[–]Blue_Violet23Blue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

no. I don't hate them

but I pity da Foo'!

This is how I see it, too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Why free prostitutes? We could make some money off incels here

[–]PBRScagsquad(((Prima Illuminatus)))6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Good point, how could I be so blind and foolish, here's a RP guide on how to get rich quick:

Step 1. Find incels

Step 2: Acquire prostitutes

Step3: give the prostitutes to the incels for a fee

Step4: ???

Step 5: Profit

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

We wouldn't hire the prostitutes. For most having meaningless sex with a woman who isn't attracted to us is stupid.

[–]PBRScagsquad(((Prima Illuminatus)))5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, trying to make dolla here and you guys can't even play along.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Cuz fucking hookers is cope?

[–]PBRScagsquad(((Prima Illuminatus)))2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So? I don't give a shit, I want to make money getting you guys laid regardless of whether you consent or not.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll provide the roofies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We won't though. :)

[–]Plopolok0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Prostitute actresses, then.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

cope

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pimpin' ain't easy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Change step 3 to

Expensive, but on low interest payment plan 👍

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing to pay for the first six months!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, just no interest for the first six months.

Then 33%😁

[–]louplopNeeds your food0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

take my South Park's fan upvote :D

[–]Orange_Paisley5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

They think the government should provide prostitutes to them free of charge, because being incel is somehow a disability for which they should be compensated.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol the incel tax

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

That logic isn't terribly far beyond the rest of today's pretentious "other people should be forced to care about me" "logic."

[–]Orange_Paisley2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Prostitution is generally illegal, immoral to many, and I do believe that Japan got quite a bashing for forcing women to be prostitutes during WW2.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

So are drugs, so that's not an argument. No need to force women to be prostitutes, a nice government incentive paid out per session would be enough incentive for some women.

I don't actually advocate this at all, I'm a big fan of drastically scaling back what the modern welfare state defines as a "need" and making people earn their social standing - but I am saying, it's not so far of a stretch when leftists routinely look the other way when benefits intended for "need" get abused for luxury at the expense of the rest of society.

If those S.N.A.P. recipients can do drugs and buy ribeye steaks... then why can't an incel have his government prostitute? Sex is probably closer to a biological "need" than a ribeye fucking steak is, but when this contradiction is pointed out all the lefties shrivel into indignance faster than a pussy drying up at the sight of a stereotypical neckbeard.

[–]Orange_Paisley2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The government is not providing people with free illegal drugs, so your analogy is not germane to the conversation. S.N.A.P. is supplemental, it does not generally provide enough to feed you for the month. My dad is disabled and gets a whopping $30 a month in SNAP. If he wants to spend his benefit (which he paid into though his taxes for 50 years) on rib eye steaks, I would have no problem with that. As it happens, he tends to use his SNAP on a couple of cases of Diet Coke.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The government is not providing people with free illegal drugs, so your analogy is not germane to the conversation.

Not entirely true! Sometimes it does! There are actually some people for whom the Federal Government cultivates and distributes marijuana to.

S.N.A.P. is supplemental, it does not generally provide enough to feed you for the month. My dad is disabled and gets a whopping $30 a month in SNAP.

It's means-tested. If your dad is getting $30/month, then he's got income elsewhere.

If he wants to spend his benefit (which he paid into though his taxes for 50 years) on rib eye steaks, I would have no problem with that.

I'm shocked

[–]Orange_Paisley1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, I wish they would cultivate it and distribute it to me. Life's not fair that way, I suppose.

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, it sure isn't. Which is where I find myself questioning the wisdom of the state in forcing the population at large, to labor unreciprocally, for another segment of the population. I don't think incels should get government prostitutes, but I don't think many people should get government... anything.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are actually some people for whom the Federal Government cultivates and distributes marijuana to.

Four. There are four people.

Because of a court settlement in 1976.

[–]the_calibre_cat0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That was just the example that came to mind, alternatively, they have a special legal scheme whereby if you have a certain medical condition, you can get access to drugs that without the medical condition (and without the doctor's permission) you'd get thrown into a cage over. Sometimes, the Federal government provides these drugs through it's means-tested healthcare programs.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Escort agencies already run legally through loopholes even in the US.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno.

I mean, you're not going to get most women to care about the fact that some guys have problems getting laid, are socially awkward, can't get relationships, can't keep relationships going, don't understand sexual relationships, don't understand sexual attraction and how it works, etc. Most people aren't going to care that some guys have a lot of trouble "getting it".

What actually drives men to TRP/manosphere is the fact that they don't get it, they realize they don't get it, they need help getting it, and TRP/manosphere is the only place they can get help "getting it".

Yeah, yeah, I know -- Men's Health, GQ, Esquire, dating sites, etc., tell men to be confident, look their best, up their status, don't be needy or cringey, etc. Problems:

Those places don't tell men the underlying theory of WHY those things are important.

They also don't tell men how important looks and physical appearance are. They say looks are important, but they don't tell men HOW important looks are - looks and physical appearance are EXTREMELY important.

They also tell men to "be confident" but not HOW to be confident and WHAT confidence looks like.

They also lie to men about the true nature of women and what women ACTUALLY IN ACTUAL REAL TIME, REAL WORLD PRACTICE find SEXUALLY attractive.

They also do not acknowledge that EVERY WOMAN is willing to have sex outside a relationship, so long as right time, right circumstances, and right man.

They also exhort men to keep going and to "prove themselves" to women who obviously aren't attracted to them - they don't tell men to cut things off with women who clearly aren't feeling it.

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If people are suffering and TRP offers them a way out then of course people will continually flock to it. It's not that hard, people.

Want an alternative? Then fucking sell it. Have something to offer. Appeal to people's self interest. Be persuasive.

TBP is just a joke. Seriously. r/thebluepill is only there for satirizing TRP, but has never, and was never intended to, offer anything of substance. It's not an ideological position. It isn't anything, so of course it's not going to get any traction.

[–]Vincentzoq1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can anyone explain what all this "red pill", "purple pill" thing is all about?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The sad thing to me is that these guys who "lost" the social strategy are now trying to find ways to win and become "alphas" (the very people they despise and envy) not because they want a fair world but because they are jealous of a bullshit mating strategy. Happiness comes from commitment, self love and being among a loving group of people, not competing for basic pleasures that are fleeting. They talk about how they are addicted to dopamine fixes meant to keep them beta rather than seeing that they are still chasing the big dopamine rush (being the all-powerful Sauron alpha-male lord of fingering objects)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, the problem is that we live in a society where men feel the need to get casual sex. Yeah yeah, you can point towards cavemen days all you want, but not every society is like this.

It comes down to respect. You clearly don't respect women. Not only that, but those who are male and say stuff like I'm saying you assume several things (or just one of them):

1) Beta (not everything in life comes down to terms of alpha and beta...this kind of mindset is what I am talking about)

2) Cuck (not everything in life comes down to sex. again, comes down to the mindset)

3) Just trying to get laid (AGAIN not everything in life comes down to sex...you know you can defend women without trying to get sex from them, right? you know that's a thing, right?)

This is what rape culture looks like. It's mindsets like yours. I know the term rape culture triggers you, but it's true. When people have the belief system that is solely built around getting casual sex, thinking of terms of alpha and beta, have thoughts that are entirely devoid of empathy...THERE IS A PROBLEM.

[–]TheSonofLibertyUndecided3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, the problem is that we live in a society where men feel the need to get casual sex. Yeah yeah, you can point towards cavemen days all you want, but not every society is like this.

do you have some examples?

For example, I am reminded of this Orwell passage from Down and Out in Paris and London Ch. 36 - last paragraph is most important:

"The second great evil of a tramp’s life—it seems much smaller at first sight, but it is a good second—is that he is entirely cut off from contact with women. This point needs elaborating.

Tramps are cut off from women, in the first place, because there are very few women at their level of society. One might imagine that among destitute people the sexes would be as equally balanced as elsewhere. But it is not so; in fact, one can almost say that below a certain level society is entirely male [I've omitted the stats he gives here in support of this sentence] ... The result, for a tramp, is that he is condemned to perpetual celibacy. For of course it goes without saying that if a tramp finds no women at his own level, those above—even a very little above—are as far out of his reach as the moon. The reasons are not worth discussing, but there is no doubt that women never, or hardly ever, condescend to men who are much poorer than themselves. A tramp, therefore, is a celibate from the moment when he takes to the road. He is absolutely without hope of getting a wife, a mistress, or any kind of woman except—very rarely, when he can raise a few shillings—a prostitute.

It is obvious what the results of this must be: homosexuality, for instance, and occasional rape cases. But deeper than these there is the degradation worked in a man who knows that he is not even considered fit for marriage. The sexual impulse, not to put it any higher, is a fundamental impulse, and starvation of it can be almost as demoralizing as physical hunger. The evil of poverty is not so much that it makes a man suffer as that it rots him physically and spiritually. And there can be no doubt that sexual starvation contributes to this rotting process. Cut off from the whole race of women, a tramp feels himself degraded to the rank of a cripple or a lunatic. No humiliation could do more damage to a man’s self-respect."

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Legit answer: hip-hop music.

During that purge I went and dropped rap lyrics in a few threads as a joke, but when you think about it, hip-hop is basically the biggest source of unfiltered RP views there is.

That's before you even get into the underground shit like Necro, I'm talking about mainstream stuff like Future's famous lyric "chase a cheque, never chase a bitch" just to name one easily off the top of my head.

I'm sure there's countless examples we could drop.

So for real. Listen to hip-hop. I find it ironic so many terps are alt-right when the black community basically agrees with them on everything haha.

[–]kn831 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's part of the reason why the black community has fewer incels than whites.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I say this all the time but it doesn’t compute.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These hoes ain't loyal.

Sad thing is black community already learned what open hypergamy will do and now white girls are about to mostly become single mothers too.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hip-hop is heavily Red Pill. I would argue that will over 50 percent of Western society generally agrees with hip-hop's view on women, as long as it's set to a catchy beat. The second you step outside of that medium, though, you become the scum of the Earth.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah man it's true, it all becomes acceptable when you stick it over a sick beat, funny ain't it?

And then most of those beats are just samples with drums and 808s on top as well if we're really being real. Every big producer does the same shit.

That's why I like The Weeknd quite a lot, I actually dunno how much he samples to be fair but in any case his beats are different from most of the stuff out there, he actually has his own original sound which sadly is more than can be said for most artists nowadays.

Also why I'm sad about Lil Peep's death, love or hate him you can't argue his style of music was not different despite relying heavily on sampling before COWYS.

But now I'm just getting into a music rant lol sorry. I need to get on fucking Logic X and make some shit for myself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, I suggest doing this: stop giving a shit about female bullshit.

What do I mean by female bullshit? A good many posts I read are about men saying women control something called the sexual market place, in which women choose and select from a pool of available men who to sleep with and who to have a relationship with, and somehow men don't have a choice in who is or who is not selected to sleep with a woman.

Speaking from one man to other men: if you are one of those men who thinks women control who does or who does not get sex, that is a self-imposed limitation. My suggestion for you men is to live your lives by developing your careers, following your interests and if a woman has an interest in you and she chooses to enter your life, so much the better. But just because some woman has not entered your life doesn't signify there is a problem with you. What it means, just as the OP said, is that women do not give a shit about men, just as a generalization.

[–]TyrannicalWill2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What it means, just as the OP said, is that women do not give a shit about men, just as a generalization.

I think more complaints are really about the reality they were born into, and coming to terms with it - which is completely justifiable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The world is unequal, the earth is unequal.

I really do not care to hear about the complaints made by women about the inequality of the world. I am not spiteful or hateful of women, but nobody from the other isle ever lifted a finger to help me or help a lot of other men.

A wonan was sexually harassed? I was forced to take shwoers with my grandfather.

A woman was raped? Both my parents abandoned me when I was a boy. My mother was a whore and my father was a sometimes coke head.

A woman faces an agonizing decision over abortion rights? cancer rendered me sterile, so I can never ever father children.

Women do not make false rape accusations? In college, I was falsely accused of planning to rape a girl. I am only free today because I was able to prove that the classroom instructor actually put the girl up to accusing me. I can actually prove it, for real.

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

::sages your life::

[–]MisterJose0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Feel like a broken record posting it again, but this sums up my opinion on why men turn to the Red-Pill better than anything else I've ever read.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

deserves an upvote.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's so true it hurts to read

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that article is so true it hurts to read

[–]Ultramegasaurus4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women hate men, especially unattractive ones, who want casual sex anyway.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

WE. DO NOT. OWE DISGRUNTLED MEN. ANYTHING.

I’m sorry that you can’t get your P in a V. I’m sorry you’re ugly. I’m sorry you’ve allowed those things to make you bitter.

But no one owes you a thing.

[–]Plopolok6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

One fundamental principle of a healthy society is that each one is supposed to care for all of us. That's what makes us a society.

If black people say "the way we are treated is unfair and that makes us unhappy", you should listen to them and see what can be improved. If nerds say "we've been misled, we're ineffective at seduction and that makes us unhappy", you should also listen to them. At the very least, not criticize the few places where they can get help.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What would you want? Pity sex? Sex workers distributed by the govt? Hhah!

[–]Plopolok4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Just not raising boys with ineffective psychology, not trying to prevent men from reading about these kind of things in TRP or other places, and generally not saying disgruntled men are subhuman to which no one owes anything. They're citizens, they deserve basic respect and empathy.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What will "basic respect and empathy" bring them? You think incels and manomenz never received a listening ear? No! They had, but they want more!

[–]Plopolok1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Manomenz" are clearly not heard by society, they're censored, as shown by the documentary "The Red Pill", both the documentary itself and its history from production to diffusion.

I'd prefer not to prolong this discussion; I'm afraid you might be a troll ("HarpyMaster, Undercover C.C. rider" ? ...)

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Retards gonna retard. Ofc no sane person would think of them seriously.

HarpyMaster, Undercover C.C. rider" ?

I sleep around while maintaining a 'girl-next-door" persona and looks.

[–]Plopolok-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Retards gonna retard. Ofc no sane person would think of them seriously.

Exactly. Which is why I prefer not to prolong this conversation.

[–]HarpyMasterSeasoned C.C. rider2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, the retard part was for TerPs. No one cares about some losers hating on wimminz for having a say in whom to sleep with. At least I don't.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

WE. DO NOT. OWE BITCHES/GOLD DIGGERS/BANGED OUT CAROUSEL RIDERS/POOR DECISIONMAKERS. ANYTHING.

I'm sorry that you can't get commitment from an attractive man. I'm sorry you're ugly. I'm sorry Alpha McGorgeous gave you herpes. I'm sorry you're a bitter cunt.

But no one owes you a thing. Women aren't entitled to commitment or marriage or a family or kids or a house or a 401(k) or a retirement.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel so bad for you.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19931 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

commitment or marriage or a family or kids or a house or a 401(k) or a retirement.

Which is why singledom is on the rise, more women turn CF (childfree) pursue careers and increase n-count. Men can suck it.

[–]MauveSuitCrotchetA sensible lavender0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

r e k t

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

?

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet you demand that those same men care about women and microgaressions.

[–]VoidInvincibleFull Measure1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chad? Are you Chad? Me too!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Tell that to the media who keep forcing women's issues down our throat.

We don't care about slut shaming or fat acceptance either.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell that to the media who keep forcing women's issues down our throat.

We don't care about slut shaming or fat acceptance either.

how is anything being "forced down your throat"? dont pay attention to it and dont care, i promise nothing will happen

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

is this how all upper middle class people think?

[–]bmoviescreamqueen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you unable to not read articles you come across on the internet or turn off a tv? Who's tying you to a chair and forcing you to read those things? Call the police, you are being held hostage.

[–]MauveSuitCrotchetA sensible lavender0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pls clarify/s

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[–]Ordinate1Brown pill - Eat shit and die, motherfucker!0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If they don't care, why should we?

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because society's a game and if some players think the rules are rigged then they'll flip the table and no one gets to play anymore.

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists/SJWs/BP are one of the main reasons why you boys got Donny for president. Let that sink in.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I care about anyone who has fallen victim to intentional societal lies and cover ups.

One of the biggest lies we were told is that men and women are “basically the same”. This is a politically motivated lie

Once an individual is helped to see through ideological lies they’re on their own as far as I’m concerned, I don’t care about your “sexual strategies” like at all

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That is because The Feminists/SJW's/BP don't care to admit that what turns women on is oftentimes incompatible with BP/feminist values.

The radfems understand that and to stay intellectually consistent they went all political lesbian on us.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Intellectual consistency is merely an inconvenience when it doesn't match your agenda.

The Blue Pill will never admit that male dominance is sexually attractive. Nor will they ever admit how contradictory this is to their push for absolute equality across every dimension of society.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you suspect they keep from their heads exploding?

[–]wattwattyOld and reddish0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

It's not bloopers' responsibility to provide an alternative. No one should be expected to provide an alternative path to an end they do not think is worthy of attaining.

So, what OP is really trying to tease out (I think) is the difference between (a) not caring about a "plight," nor offering advice to avoid/remedy it, and (b) active derision of those who seem to be in this plight and are trying to remedy it themselves.

(a) is not on bloopers to do, in any way, shape, or form. But, WTF (b)? Why complain about, ridicule, attack, and belittle? Is it because they don't like RP, but it works? Maybe. That question is central to the whole sub, ain't it? But, they claim to not believe it works. OK, I'll take them at their word...

But, then (again) -- WTF? Why all the vitriol if RP is just a bunch of losers engaging in some sort of meaningless, ineffective kabuki? We see the occasional claim that it's harmful to others. But, 3 threads later we are told (often by the same redditors!) that RP only works on weak-minded or "trashy" women, and that, by dint of their exposed defect in this regard, they deserve to be suckered!

No, it's that -- no matter the protestations to the contrary -- they know it might work. They might be special snowflakes on which it doesn't work, i.e. women who have ever only had 1 partner, men with a "perfect" egalitarian relationship with their partner, etc. But I don't think the bloopers on here are idiots. I believe they have eyes as well. They know it works to make "inauthentic" (i.e. not natural) alphas. That is something to be shamed and shut down as quickly as possible!

[–]Intellibunny 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Why would "it works" be the best reason to hate TRP? Why pick just one, when there are so many others? Such as, I don't know...the misogyny?

Although I must admit, the idea of unknowingly fucking someone who thinks about me the way red pillers think about women does make me want to vomit.

[–]wattwattyOld and reddish1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Although I must admit, the idea of unknowingly fucking someone who thinks about me the way red pillers think about women does make me want to vomit.

Of course. I understand.

You are free to believe that no man you have ever fucked1 thinks the way red pillers think. The overwhelming odds are, however, that most did, whether they have ever seen TRP or not. Men who think about women the way red pillers think about women are attractive to women. Alphas think this way, and "faux" alphas think this way.

1 I am making the twin assumptions that you are a woman and not a virgin. If either is incorrect, I apologize, but I trust you understand that my comment doesn't depend on these assumptions.

[–]Intellibunny 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't like the type of men you call "alphas" so...nope. Men who treat women as inferior are not attractive to me.

[–]wattwattyOld and reddish0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't like the type of men you call "alphas"

Given the abundant confusion and divergent opinions about what this means on PPD, I can only say that you likely (through no fault of your own) don't have any idea what type of men I call alpha.

Men who treat women as inferior are not attractive to me.

Understood. But, we were talking about how men think: what are their thoughts and convictions and how do they conceptualize their relationships. Lots and lots and lots of authentic (i.e. men you have never heard of RP or anything like it) alphas think about women in all the ways the TRP sidebar describes. How they treat women never seems to be called out as evil or bad.

[–]Intellibunny 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Meh, I don't make much of a distinction between thoughts and actions. Someone who thinks shitty things about me but treats me ok so he can fuck me is actually much worse than someone whose thoughts and actions, while shitty, are at least congruent. This is one of my big issues with RP.

[–]wattwattyOld and reddish0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I get that you don't like it. Makes sense. But...

The odds that any particular man you've found attractive does, in fact, think about women in essentially exactly the way described by TRP are very high. Attractive men -- men women want to fuck -- think about women the way TRP describes. It doesn't matter if they've seen those notions codified in something like the TRP sidebar or not.

[–]Intellibunny 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You seem pretty confident that you know what other men think, while being simultaneously certain that I don't. Interesting.

[–]wattwattyOld and reddish0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You seem pretty confident that you know what other men think, while being simultaneously certain that I don't.

Indeed. I am equally as confident that you know what other women think, while I don't. That's not a particularly arrogant position.

Look, I'm old. I've known a lot of men in my life. I've known a lot of men who have had a lot of sex with women. Every dang one of those successful men -- without exception -- espoused RP tenets in private. All the women they were fucking thought they were soulful and romantic and cool.

You should probably just go and live your life, content in the knowledge that I am completely wrong and that you can vet the thoughts of the men you find attractive with perfect fidelity. I'm not even kidding: You'll enjoy your life more.

[–]Intellibunny 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I am equally as confident that you know what other women think, while I don't.

Friendo, you just spent a good amount of time telling me the exact opposite.

But that's to be expected, since RP teaches you that "We know the true nature of women and men, and women are childlike whores who are too stupid to even understand themselves."

Anyway, I think I'll just continue to not be a psychopath who assumes all men (and women) are hiding who they really are and are out to manipulate me so I should maniplulate them first. Fuck closeness and understanding, right?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You'd never know how a man who's attractive to you treats women. You'll know and care about only how he treats YOU.

[–]Intellibunny 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That makes no sense. I'm a woman so he'd treat me the way he treats women by definition.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, he will treat you the way he treats women he's attracted to and wants to have sex with.

He treats "women" differently. Because most "women" are women he might be attracted to, but who will not have sex with him. We treat women we're fucking or want to fuck or have a chance to fuck much differently than we treat women we aren't fucking or don't have a chance to fuck.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

u/caesarfecit has the best answer to this: Blues don't hate TRP; they hate the fact that the issues exist. Blues hate the fact that unattractive men are making themselves heard, that unattractive men want things for themselves, that unattractive men want improvement, that unattractive men want to know what attractive men know, and worst of all, that unattractive men are sexual beings who want to have sex.

[–]Ultramegasaurus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not bloopers' responsibility to provide an alternative.

It kinda is, considering they want to keep men away from TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

/u/askerman97 this is not a problem with just men and casual sex, this is a major problem with social justice and the left as a whole. Social justice movements have a huge issue with not being able to self-criticize or accept flaws. This is part of the reason why Donald Trump is the president of the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/28/us/drexel-university-professor-resigns/index.html

Here is a good example.

The professor said the threats began last December after he posted on Twitter: "All I Want for Christmas is White Genocide."

In October, the professor tweeted that "Trumpism" and the "narrative of white victimization" were to blame for the mass shooting in Las Vegas that left 58 people dead and more than 500 wounded.

Here is a professor whom publicly expressed support for white genocide. Now, no where he did apologize for being racist. He also never apologized for using the vegas shooting as a political ploy with no evidence (the shooting was never linked to Trump or determined to be politically motivated).

Now, can you imagine what would happen if he had swapped black for white in that tweet? There would be national protests and he would be on the front page of CNN. It would be Ferguson on steroids.

Simply put, feminists and social justice advocates aren't rooting for equality, they simply root for the underdog.

[–]cholomite-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There is no better alternative and there will never be one. At it's core, the red pill is a breakdown of how attraction works in women, and the female nature. These are things that are defined by biology, not society, so they will always stay constant. It's like debating whether or not gravity exists.

The only thing the bluepill has is to point out the crazy posts on the redpill, or point out the rare exception that goes against red pill ideals. As long as women are women, the red pill will be relevant.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, as long as some guys need help figuring it out, the red pill will be relevant. Guys don’t turn up at trp because their lives are going great. They turn up because there is some major deficiencies with them that need fixing. That’s especially true in mrp.

[–]Plopolok0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So, do you think RP theories should become mainstream and part of normal education instead of being seen as perverted?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, anything that helps people get along better, but taught by whom? Think back to middle and high school the place where people naturally learn these things through being forced to spend every day in an environment where to truths are writ large. There’s always going to be guys who scoff at doing what’s obviously needed to get what they want. Girls are the same but to a lesser extent!

[–]Plopolok0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, anything that helps people get along better, but taught by whom?

Mostly, I think media (Hollywood, etc.) should show relationships differently.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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