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By mass, I mean like 10-25% of men Around middle age, Not like 80-90% by age 20.

Testosterone: the hormone far more abundant in men leading to higher propensity for risk taking, lower empathy levels, increased aggression and sex drive. I’ve said before that masculinity is like gasoline: it’s toxic, flammable, poisonous and needs to be handled carefully, but without it your car (Society) ain’t goin nowhere.

But what if another fuel source was found? I think robotics, computers etc may be the elusive “seawater fuel” or whatever replacement for men.

Modern economies favor women’s innate advantages over men. Women smoke men at Interpersonnal skills, empathy, inherent understanding of people and teams etc. men’s brute strength was nullified by automation and the prison industrial complex. Young urban women now Out earn young urban men, this is particularly relevant due to most opportunities being in urban these days. Women outnumber men in college, their investments do better overall, and they buy more houses. The sassy instagram t shirts saying “the future is female” aren’t wrong imo.

Where does this leave men? Men lack the inherent attractiveness to women that women have to men. There will still be lots of pairings off as people come to terms with new dating and marriage realities, but lots of women will perceive these things as a bad deal for them and avoid serious LTR/marriage. I don’t think women will experience solitude in the same way men will, since they are naturally more likable, put more effort into maintaining social networks, and can have “soft lesbian” live in relationships with their “besties” to pool resources, companionship and physical touch. With apps like tinder etc sex with an attractive guy is just a few swipes away.

At this point, TRP are likely to say “but men run the electrical grids etc” and while this is true and will likely to continue to be so, they will be incentivized less but just enough to continue such work. For one some of the more attractive ones will get married and have kids. For two, since women won’t want such jobs it will be a breath of fresh air to be in a masculine work environment as opposed to the feminization of most other Work places, and for three it will probably pay decently.

Many Young Men have been checking out into video games, alternative music cultures etc for years already. They are way behind in development to women and are unlikely to get their shit together. Of course this is not all men, but a bigger chunk than usual. How long will such men be even able to sustain passive lives of part time, minimum wage jobs and video game playing idleness ? What happens when their parents die off? Even assuming they can maintain these lives, will they really want to?

With no wives/LTRs, no families, no meaningful work contributions and an increasingly atomized society , I predict there will be mass male suicides in the future. As time goes on, men will simply perceive their lives as much shorter and to be deliberately ended at will. Men will come up with short term plans for fulfillment like achieving a certain rank or skill level in a sport, game etc or maybe even some kind of career mark, because it’s something appealing or interesting to do in spite of there being no long term future. A while back, a famous black metal singer committed suicide because he felt his life was complete. He wasn’t very old, but just couldn’t think of any meaningful life goals outside of music, and had done all that he wanted within those goals. Made sense to me. I think more men may follow suit in the future.

For the record, I don’t think this will be “most men” or even half, but rather the ones shut out economically and romantically.

I’m also not positive about this by any means, but we have had mass shooting epidemics so mass suicide ones seems plausible too.

I’m also not sure society will bother to change this, as it will massively ease the burden of healthcare costs, most of which are end of life Care.

Finally, I’m not sure this will be all that sad. It may simply incentivize men to “live fast, die young” and spend their less time living the way they actually want, whatever that is. Long lives are a very recent advent, it’s hard to say they’re necessarily an improvement.

What do u think PPD? On a scale of Fox Moulder to Alex Jones how crazy am I?


[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

I think this will result in more mass shootings and murder/suicides than suicides alone.

We're already seeing this happen.

[–]newredditfag38 points39 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

The most dangerous creation of society is a man who has nothing to lose.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

The shootings are becoming more and more sophisticated too. I remember when people though Columbine was a lot of deaths (12-13), then Virginia Tech (I think high 20s). Now, we have guys regularly killing 40-50+ people.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a US specific cultural issue.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[–]Alth12Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, in the UK no access to guns, and majority have no idea how to even get hold of one.

Mostly we just get shit faced drunk and go to Cambodia to blow up a cow with a bazooka.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mostly we just get shit faced drunk and go to Cambodia to blow up a cow with a bazooka.

Now that's a holiday!

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

and its only gonna get worse, and gun control will be futile. I'm waiting to laugh after every law abiding citizen's AR has been confiscated and the mass shootings continue undeterred, along with gang violence

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I think that people don't understand the real problems in our society that are causing these types of shootings.

Hint: It's not gun control or mental illness.

[–]IckyStickyPoo8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hint: It's not gun control or mental illness.

In Australia, those were exactly the things that were causing those types of shootings. Lack of gun control and mental illness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Were there many shootings in Australia (besides that Martin guy)?

[–]IckyStickyPoo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The rate was about 2.8 per 100,000 people for the five years prior. In the years afterwards it went from 1.5 to 0.9 and has stayed at about 0.9 for years up until now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting.

[–]Alth12Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Might just be that the underlying cause remains but people have greater difficulty gaining access to the guns so don't bother.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

and its only gonna get worse, and gun control will be futile.

The # of mass shootings in the US compared to the rest of the West kinda refutes that point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The US is sin city with a twist of individualism

Nothing to do with guns

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, because there are already tons of guns, strong gun culture and huge borders

Law abasing citizens won’t have them, criminals and terrorists will

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

R u rly a redpill gun control advocate ?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am European.

Gun ownership is very restricted here and we're still alive and kicking despite this cruel restriction of our personal freedom.

But without the sarcasm: this was less a normative take on that issue than a factual one. Because easy access to guns is a considerable factor when it comes to shootings.

And regarding terrorism... let's just say that it's far easier to reproduce the attacks in Nice than those at the Bataclan.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am European

You lost me right there

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mexico had strict gun laws and still has one of the worst murder rates in the world.

The problem is society's

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

after every law abiding citizens AR has been confiscated.

Yea, I'm sure that'll be peaceful

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol good point

[–]analt223No Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its also interesting that there was a fairly small amount from Columbine to VT. Then VT kinda ushered in the current era of mass shootings.

Its also of note that VT was around the time social media, smartphone culture, high speed internet in our pockets took off. It does make me wonder if social media being everyone's "highlight reel" causes people to have a fear of missing out on this invisible party going on, and causes the snap to be catastrophic.

I truly believe that society as a whole has been pretty stagnant since 2007 or so, perhaps that era ended last year with things like brexit and Trump winning though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps.

I think social media plays a big part in the shootings. Absolutely. You basically gave guys that are not totally 'there' to begin with. They are socially awkward and become angrier. Many are the incel types.

Of course, the Las Vegas guy did not seem to be like this. No one really seems to be able to figure him out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Society doesnt create this, if anything it mitigates it. Just not anymore.

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

The most dangerous creation of society is a man who has nothing to lose.

Or woman with nothing to lose. When women are pushed too far, they'll fight back fiercely.

[–]newredditfag2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

women fighting back compared to men is like comparing snakes with lions. No woman is capable of causing even 1% of destruction a violent man can cause(just look throught history). That feeling of pure anger is a characteristic of the alpha male. No woman can compare with that. The best a woman can do is manipulate a larger man to work for her. Women are sly creatures not strong willed and aggressive as you incorrectly feel.

[–]IckyStickyPoo1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No woman is capable of causing even 1% of destruction a violent man can cause(just look throught history).

That's a little silly, because if a woman takes up arms (as some did in history and as some are doing today) they can cause every bit as much destruction as men.

No woman is capable of causing even 1% of destruction a violent man can cause(just look throught history). That feeling of pure anger is a characteristic of the alpha male.

The feeling of pure anger and wish to destroy and win is human. Women have been restrained by many things, including pregnancy/risk of pregnancy between 15-50. They traditionally turned anger inward. We now have less than 60 years of 'the pill' and relative peace in most western nations, and you're not going to see a lot of female anger in the streets here.

The anger of males in western nations that causes mass shootings is due to mental illness and a sense of entitlement.

No woman can compare with that. The best a woman can do is manipulate a larger man to work for her. Women are sly creatures not strong willed and aggressive as you incorrectly feel.

A woman is leading Kurdish forces fighting ISIS in the city of Kobani, Syria. And a substantial number -- more than one third -- of the Kurdish battlefield troops in Syria are women. One reason they fight is that women have more to lose than anyone else. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/14/opinion/ghitis-isis-women-slavery/

Devi’s model of delivering alternative justice inspired a movement that now boasts of a network of 400,000 women - dressed in pink sarees and all wielding a stick - across 11 districts of India’s largest province of Uttar Pradesh. It is ironic that in one of India's most backward regions, women are forced to become 'masculine' and aggressive in their fight against machismo and patriarchy. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/02/gulabi-gang-indias-women-warrriors-201422610320612382.html

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You seem delusional. Some third world women fight? So? Any stats on how well they do? LMAO.

Have you ever even shot a gun? Or killed anything? I grew up with girls who were avid hunters and none of them would be stupid enough to wanna attack men outright. You seem to lack any experience outside of an office tbh.

[–]IckyStickyPoo1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I have shot guns at a range. I haven't shot any men, no.

But why the hell do you imagine a woman with a gun is any different to a man with a gun? They can both inflict exactly the same damage to another human being.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ever hunted? Gutted an animal? If women start randomly shooting men what exactly do you think will happen?

You think life is like a range?

Your delusional because you have no real experience. Or you watch to many movies

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ever hunted? Gutted an animal? If women start randomly shooting men what exactly do you think will happen?

No, and I never want to. I don't eat animals.

What do you think will happen if women start randomly shooting men?

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

And get knocked the fuck out. Go ahead and pick a fight with a full sized man and see how it goes.

And not one of those low T BuzzFeed fags

[–]IckyStickyPoo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about hand to hand fighting, obviously.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think it's just growing pains. The Japanese had a reputation for suicides years ago. Now they are kinda checking out peacefully and playing video games

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

they're still very suicidal

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's their suicide rate?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

True. Men in Japan play videogames and identify themselves as "herbivores". They are currently experiencing a marriage crisis there right now.

Not exactly the kind of society we should be striving towards.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, but it's better then violence.

[–]mgtownigga20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's already kind of the norm. Men kill themselves a lot more than women, and the reasons are obviuos to most

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but I'm talking about a scale where everyone will know someone close to them who's committed suicide. Like WW2 where everyone had a close friend who died or was seriously injured

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I see them just staying in permenant check out and sticking with the booze and video games rather than going for the mass suicide, they are lulled into comfort by hiding in drugs/booze/video games. We have evolved into a culture where you can stay home all day, people don't have to socialize to believe they have a connection you can text or shit talk on the internet tubes.

[–]GridReXXit be like that5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

I think the ones mid existential crisis might “check out officially.”

But most people like congenial comforts.

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Drinking yourself to death is a form of passive suicide, reduces average life expectancy by 30 years to about 50 which is also when suicide is near its peak.

About 1.2% of men die from suicide vs 2.5% from alcohol related health complications/accidents. About 11% of those deaths are attributable to drunk driving accidents. Another 2% from drug overdoses/health complications for a total of 5.4% of men dying from either directly committing suicide or doing it passively so we are already halfway to that lower estimate.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I mostly agree, but this idiotic feminist notion that men are only good as brute force and can't form teams has to go.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It looks like I articulated that aspect of my post poorly. I think men make stronger teams overall, but the type of teams in modern encorpera favor women in an odd way. This wasn't always the case

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Also, you make it seem like it's men who are getting replaced with automation, while in reality women are not at all immune to this either.

Let's say in your typical workplace, you have a female receptionist, and a male security guard. To automate your receptionist, put a Siri in a Sophia, and you are basically done. To automate your security guard, you'll have to wait until robots at least can open doors consistently. In this scenario, it's the female worker who will be rendered useless sooner.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One example doesn't change a trend. And no one is replacing receptionists nor security guards due to the personal and human element required for both.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What trend?

And let's see in not so distant future if "no one is replacing receptionists nor security guards".

[–]empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm waiting....🕰

[–]single_use_accTaupe Enema3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is that when we talk about "male teamwork" and "female teamwork" the difference isn't so much the genders, but the "teamwork" part. We judge male and female teamwork differently - that's the problem we don't talk about, but we don't: because then that wouldn't enable the comparison as easily. It'd be apples and oranges.

Women are very good on appearance. They're superficial. Their main goal, above all else, is to maintain their appearance of goodness, niceness, pleasantness - the sugar-and-spice effect. They will do everything they can to preserve that. That is their main priority.

Do they look like they for great teams? Yes! Look how they're all laughing, and getting on, and complimenting each other, and they're exiting their team sessions smiling and laughing.

That's great teamwork...from women. It works for them! The reason women put so much effort into being pleasant/nice/good is...because it works for them. That's all the have to do. Women can - and will - get away with murder just because they're nice. Be a nice woman, and all of society will move heaven and earth to give you what you want. You don't have to make any firm decisions - nor should you, because you'd look bad - as long as you just be nice!

Men, unlike women, are judged on results. So, men focus on getting those results - which is the whole point of a team. And in reality, that often means discord, conflict, as they work out the problems and how to overcome them.

The problem is that people want the results we get from male teamwork, but expect it to be done via female teamwork.

but this idiotic feminist notion that men are only good as brute force

If I can use a labour analogy: women see themselves as management, with men beneath them as workers. They see women as the ideas people; but men are the ones who are to carry it out.

When you look at it like that, how feminists treat men starts making a whole lot of sense.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I can't argue with this.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar28 points29 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

I have a huge bone to pick with the manosphere about automation. In the long run, who knows what will happen with technology.

In the short term I contest most predictions about the obsoletion of physical manpower.

A few major points:

Technology has always been making low level labour obsolete. As economics evolve from underdeveloped (most of labour in agriculture) to developing (most of labour in manufacturing) to developed (most in services), technology and industrialization was pushing the change. New jobs are created to replace the old ones.

The novel argument against this is that the new jobs (engineering/designing robots/AI) are going to be too advanced. We're reaching a point where technology advances faster than biological evolution (as in the average human's brain simply won't be smart enough to take the new jobs being created - only smart humans will be able to handle it).

It is still FAR from being the case. There are still a lot of masculine jobs that are high paying e.g. HVAC, elevator inspector, trucker, garbage man, etc, and are years away from even being close to automation. If you put that much faith in the tech industry, then I'll remind you that the bottleneck is often not technology, but culture and politics.

For example, trucking: I got autopilot on my tesla. I can't actually fully rely on it myself. It's only really 90%+ reliable when I'm stuck in traffic on the highway. There's actually no legal way for Tesla or other companies to have fully self driving cars on the road. They have to have a person there to accept responsibility and take care of things (or even just soak legal responsibility) when shit hits the fan. Think about it: Airplanes are mostly self flying. Why do we still need well-trained pilots?

Also talk to any high skill contractor. Ask him why he gets paid so much by his clients when a lot of his work can "technically be automated if the clients knew exactly what they needed and were ready with perfect specs and planning". Clients are stupid and often need the contractor's subject matter expertise. That's more than automation coming from "specific artificial intelligence". Automation of that would involve a more holistic vision coming from "general artificial intelligence" which we've barely begun to scratch.

Also, I contest, automation will be replacing feminine jobs at least as quickly (if not FASTER) than masculine jobs are being replaced. People keep thinking that automation will make physical labour jobs obsolete. I.e. mostly masculine jobs. It's actually low to mid level management that is more likely going to be replaced at a faster rate in the next couple of decades

This has been going on in the tech industry where starting from as early as a decade ago, MASS layoffs of low to mid management have been occurring in major fortune 500 tech companies due to changes in management systems and tools. In just one year, multiple large companies I knew cut 20-30% of their management. The tools are mainly software, making it easier for one person to track and manage a larger group of people. I see this trend spreading to other industries. It already has trickled into them (e.g. restaurants using tablets/kiosks to allow waitresses to manage more tables at a time, self-checkouts replacing clerks / cashiers).

Also note that software evolves faster than hardware. Any nerd sitting at home with a computer can fortuitously discover a service vacuum and create supply for that demand by teaming up with his nerdy friends in a few months (maybe more depending on type of service). The physical barriers to entry are almost non-existent. This simplifies other ppl's work and can even automate it.

Pure software can simplify or automate a lot of work, but that work wont be "manual labour". It will be stuff like organizing spreadsheets, scheduling, managing people, etc. This sort of automation is many magnitudes easier and more common than making a robot that can listen to commands and work on your backyard exactly the way you want it to.

This is actually more feminine than masculine labour. Masculine labour is more difficult to automate (more so than it already has been automated).

..

I can keep going on endlessly about why automation doesn't necessarily make MALE jobs obsolete, but for now, here's a short story: (Credit to /u/Atlas_b_Shruggin for bringing it to my attention the first time I autistically ranted about automation to her.)

http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

It's a story about automation. The earlier parts are semi-realistic. The program "Manna" the start of the story replaces the manager of the burger joint, not the burger flippers. The burger flippers are better at "complex tasks" interacting with customers (addressing their questions and concerns) and putting meals together. The AI manager has the relatively simple job of scheduling and handing out orders. Note that this has already begun to happen in many industries with project management tools.

[–]GridReXXit be like that8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I agree that as all technologies are cannibalized, new technologies are created and thus a market for new jobs.

However to /u/cxj’s inference.. the stereotypical software engineer doesn’t typically get women wet. So where does that leave guys still?

That said I work near Amazon country now and I’m seeing that yes while there are a lot of nerds in the tech field, there are a surprising amount of stereotypically good looking stylish and socially apt dudes who are coders, architects, developers, engineers, programmers, analysts, etc.

What cxj and men like him have to do is decide to major in quant or STEM or high finance or medicine as opposed to becoming a touring musician. You can always play music on the side!

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Engineering isn’t the only masculine field that’s difficult to automate though. I listed just a few of many that will be difficult to automate, like truck driving (or hell ubering), Hvac, yard work, etc.

I was actually talking about manual labour being more difficult to automate than people give it credit. But yes that’s a great addition you bring up. A lot of creative and/or g loaded stem work will be difficult automate away.

And yes he guys going into it that I see arent all stereotypical BBT nerds.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that there are a variety of fields that are difficult to automate. I used engineering as an example.

I get what you were talking about. I just had a tangent on my heart about engineering specfically lol.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I appreciate that a lot.

I noticed that when a lot of prole engineers start to chill about their money and stop being so prole-minded, they start to be a lot more fun (with their time and money). The problem is a lot of them are just hyper focused. Once they see a problem they tackle it pretty quickly though. Most aren’t as spergish as what we see on reddit.

Welcome to the best coast btw

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to the best coast btw

thanks!!!

beautiful landscapes, awesome nature

this PNW "cloud" is irksome however

headed back to the flyyest coast next week though!

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Ofc the good looking, stylish, social guys will get laid and get girlfriends.the point is that’s what it takes to get them nowadays, the income and stability alone won’t seal th deal because as we’ve discussed women expect to maintain lifelong attraction to their husband and this is clearly not realistic for most, sadly

I also know a few tech bros who get laid, they do it exactly like the rest of dudes. I also know two Indian guys at my new job, both nurses, who are not physically attractive but get laid. Again, masculine behavior FTW but ppd has a racial post ban so w/e

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ofc the good looking, stylish, social guys will get laid and get girlfriends.the point is that’s what it takes to get them nowadays, the income and stability alone won’t seal the deal because as we’ve discussed women expect to maintain lifelong attraction to their husband and this is clearly not realistic for most, sadly

yep, of course they do.

The point of me mentioning that was that those dudes have two things:

  • Physical attractiveness and/ or grooming/style
  • social and masc. prowess
  • stable and lucrative careers

The issue I see with a lot of guys dropping out is they're lacking one of those.

For the guys closer to yourself it's usually the third bullet.

My advice to my ex and to all future kids of mine is even if you HATE a certain major... commit to mastering a marketable and potentially highly lucrative skillset early.

It's why so many parents force their kids into certain subjects even if the kids is like "noooo i wanna be a dancerrrr!"

Unless my child is displaying Alvin Ailey talent, I'm going to tell them to have a highly marketable skillset as a back up plan.

Many of the guys "dropping out" for lack of bullet 3 didn't have the foresight or support network to drill this home at an early age.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

See I’m an odd contradictory person in the skill set regard. I thought I could avoid debt via community college Nursing but that turned out not to Work Out quite well, but once I did commit to school it was for a marketable skill set and major.

I also went on tour for years in bands but didn’t amass any debt really

[–]Fleetfox17Purple Pill Man2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you mind me asking why nursing didn't work out for you? Considering as a career switch as a late 20's male with little marketable skills.....

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I meant the avoiding debt part of Nursing

I just lost my first RN job. I can’t in good faith recommend this field to anyone right now but I won’t discourage anyone either. I’ll just say that the boom has long since faded. The “high demand” is all for jobs that people don’t want because they lack the resources and jeaopardizd your license so they have high turnover. This is dangerous for anyone but what new grads get stuck with. On top of that the saying “nurses eat their young” refers to the cultures hostility to new grads.

[–]Fleetfox17Purple Pill Man2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for the response, do you mind expanding a little more on why you wouldn't recommend the field to anyone? I'm really trying to do my research and make a smart decision because it is a little late in the game. It does seem from what I've learned so far where you work is really important to job satisfaction. Does the nurses eat their young thing happen because you were a male in a female dominated field?

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I already elaborated, the available jobs are really shitty and risky , it’s easy as fuck to lose your license, companies cut costs and limit your resources thus risking YOUR career to increase their profits, the good jobs are cornered and protected by ingroups , lots of the culture is low key toxic af but hard to see as an outsider.

I wouldn’t worry about your age, tons of nurses start late af, and acute care nurses have a shelf life of 8-12 years anyways before they do something else, go super part time or leave the field entirely anyways. You aren’t that behind, my preceptor started at like 41 lol.

If anything I get less bullshit for being a male. Women hate each other, they’re inherently catty and nurses eat their young applies more.

Also you better get straight As to get into school now and be a naturally strong test taker. Also work very hard to create and maintain a network in school to maximize your chances of getting a job, and ideally try working as a CNA first to get some healthcare experience.

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I personally wish I honed in on my skillset sooner. But hindsight is 20/20.

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hindsight is 20/20

Oh the horrible truth this is....

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Also, I contest, automation will be replacing feminine jobs at least as quickly (if not FASTER) than masculine jobs are being replaced.

The recent past seems to be completely invisible to a lot of people. I remember when every executive or manager above a certain level had an AA to make phone calls, tend to correspondence, make copies, hand-carry important memos here and there, set up meetings, all that stuff. Those AAs are gone, for the most part. Email replaced a lot of their functions. I was given an AA in my last job and I honestly had nothing for him to do other than make my travel arrangements, which took him maybe an hour every few months, and do my expense reports once I returned home.

When I worked for the giant defense contractor, only the top tier of senior managers had AAs, and even those guys were expected to tend to their own email and make their own phone calls. When the company started ruthlessly culling senior management, the old dudes who had their AAs print out all their email so they could read it on paper were the first to go.

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I dunno man. Young Women do better in school and go to college more often. WOmen in their 20's make more then their male counterparts. Male beuty products are selling at their highest rate ever. COuples where men make less then their wives are less succesful. Women complainign about the lack of college level men to marry.

Higher percentage of men in the US goign to jail..

Men who attempt suicide have a higehr success rate.

ALl the numbers seem to point to a reduction in male power without the comensurate societal support afforded to women .

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I am not disputing his idea that men might start killing themselves at a higher rate in the near future. I am disputing the claim that automation is what’s going to drive men out of the workforce , any more than it does women.

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Automation is doign more physically demanding jobs. Men do physicaly demanding jobs. SO i follows automation is killing traditional workign class male jobs.

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You didn't read my comment or didn't understand it.

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Automations is doing the less manual labor work.

Source: I work with automations

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Male beuty products are selling at their highest rate ever.

I can see it increasing even more as male attractiveness becomes even more attractive to women and the laundry lists get bigger.

[–]throwaway738495028270 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dunno man. Young Women do better in school and go to college more often.

Yeah, they get more degrees, but they also go into pretty useless fields compared to men

Not all degrees are created equal. At the top are important degrees - Healthcare and Psychology pay well, but teaching and admin aren't that lucrative. Women also a giant chunk of degrees that aren't as valuable- Art, foreign languages, english, journalism/communication.

At the other end, men are greatly dominant in engineering and computer science, which are highly lucrative and don't demand more than a bachelor's. Math and physical sciences are also solid degrees.

Yes, women get more degrees, but that also means more debt.

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Bottome line young women are better educated and make more in their 20's. IF they are in general better educated then they will over theuir lifetime make more money.

DO men dominate lucratuve stem fields sure.. But women dominate plenty of well payign fields in medicine including pharmacy and physicians .

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Agreed 100% about automation, I made the exact same argument in my top level comment but you went into a lot more detail here.

The singularity is not gonna just happen tomorrow, strong AI is a looooooong way off. Our current AI tech is very primitive.

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I agree. I work with automations. People who think automations will eliminate all male jobs seem to have no clue how automations actually work. It's not like on Star trek.

If anything it'll help keep jobs from going to low wage countries. Why pay shipping costs if you can make locally for cheaper

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god tier reply, thanks! so insightful

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Think about it: Airplanes are mostly self flying. Why do we still need well-trained pilots?

Even better argument: why do we need BART drivers?

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the toronto subway has 2 drivers 😹😹

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This is a good post. People would do well to remember that AI isn’t the same thing as robots.

AI will be mostly used in your mobile device, rather than a walking robot.

That means the service sector will be hit first. Humans will mostly be working with labour that we have yet to develop robotics for.

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we have had mass shooting epidemics so mass suicide ones seems plausible too.

I think that both will increase. I don't have any strong feelings about the numbers though.

However I think there will be larger changes that will take a generation or two to be fully felt. It seems to me that we have crossed some kind of threshold in the last decade or two. More and more men are checking out of college, careers, and most importantly, reproduction. Men who in the past may have managed to integrate into society well enough to reproduce are completely checking out.

Out society finally shifted enough that a certain type of man has been pushed out. Over time this may lead to some fundamental shifts in the makeup of our populations. The personalities, quirks, qualities that make up these men will become rarer and rarer. What effect will it have? I'm not prepared to speculate.

We are seeing evolution at work right now. The environment has shifted enough that a certain type of man no longer has enough fitness to be included in the gene pool. While it may be tempting to see this as a fully good thing, I'm not sure. After all if these men can no longer find a way to fit in, if they're not contributing in any meaningful way, what good are they to anyone? Do they have any redeeming qualities that we are currently undervaluing? I'd love to know the answer, but it will take longer to fully play out than my lifespan unfortunately.

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i'd say it's safe to say a lot of these men have redeeming qualities and that it's not a good thing to have them checking out. The kinds of guys that do the best in the current environment are not usually the most intelligent among us lol. I mean seriously, who do you think is responsible for most of the tech we enjoy? Chads? Fatt chance

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tech nerds aren't the ones "checking out," their problem is generally social awkwardness and an imbalance of single men and women, not despair and hopelessness. those guys generally want girlfriends and make loyal boyfriends when they find them, there just aren't enough of them around in their particular fields/markets. the techiest places have the most single dudes. and the majority of tech dudes are rule-followers who did the whole good grades in high school and a four year degree schtick and are being rewarded for it with a high paying job. why would they check out? diversity programs? let me take out my tiny violin for them.

if you really want to see men checking out go to any small town in middle America, preferably somewhere in the midst of the opioid crisis. men in record numbers out there have just stopped looking for work, loaded up on heroin, and gotten on disability. it's scary. those guys are your former working class bread and butter.

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As the other poster said, the men checking out aren’t the techies. I don’t even think techies have the capacity to check out. Plus they’re being handsomely compensated (validated) for their work and contributions to society.

I know the manosphere seems to think that if a man can get sex he’s going to be happy but it’s false.

The men checking out are the ones who can probably get sex, but their purpose and place in society isn’t validated.

They can have sex and have a child but they have no real skill set to earn a living and so their child and baby mama can do better without him and they usually do.

These men are listless and sad and frustrated because they haven’t figured out how to be useful to anyone not even themselves.

They essentially feel “emasculated” by “society.”

You can find these men all over America’s lower working class communities in the urban and rural and suburban adjacent areas.

The manosphere doesn’t care about these men either. Manosphere seems to think those men are doing great because their penises touched a woman.

Well sex isn’t the end be all. Purpose is.

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These men are the ones who voted on Trump, I assume?

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeppers

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I like how women think they can't be replaced by robots easier then men. Manfacturing has been automated for decades and it takes men to keep the machines running. My brother is in automations and it's mostly male dominated. Not too mention jobs like construction would be very hard to automate

Teaching and office jobs would be extremely to automate. Teachers can be replaced by a central hologram and the school would only have to hire assistants at a fraction of the cost to babysit the kids. This is already done somewhat in college. The teachers Union is the only thing preventing this now

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[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I don’t see a solution either , it’s just a tentative prediction

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If so then fuck them and their weak ass Texas a & m bonfire collapse dna. The weak always die off.

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😂

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Is that 10 to 25 percent of men attempting suicide, or 10 to 25 percent of men dying by suicide?!

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Success

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No. That won’t happen. Way, way too many dead guys. They’d become criminals first, or OD on heroin, or be homeless on the streets.

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Men are more successful at suicide then women. Most attempts seem successful

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Are women likely to become a cheap diligent workforce though?

Perhaps in a middle class academic/white collar bubble but out in the real world the vast majority of women have no desire to replace men as society’s workhorse. And whilst women are going to university in greater numbers the more difficult technical subjects the majority is still men. Also a personal observation at the office where I work the female population is pretty much cleared out by 4:00pm whilst tee men stay much later.

The vast majority of women want to be in relationships with men who are the main breadwinners unless you apply massive societal pressure to working class/lower middle class women to go out and work they will never choose to do it

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I work at a firm where the engineering team is largely women.

They stay the latest because they're driving the firm.

I don’t think it’s a gender thing of who stays latest.

The people who stay later typically have a lot of work to do. Either that or some don’t manage their time properly.

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It seems we have different experiences.

Just to clarify I’m not saying women are less capable than men or are unable to do the same work as men or work the same hours. I just don’t believe the vast majority of women want to.

That’s not a criticism i mean why the hell would you want to given the choice. if the future automation of industry and a possible ui releases men from the social expectation and pressure that they should be constantly working and the stigma of being out of work then we may well see the suicide rate drop as more men chase their passions.

[–]oneprettycoolcat4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women are less likely to pop off and start killing people, or even more important to the people in charge: much less likely to get together and decide that a change in leadership is in order.

[–]alby3332 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And my pet fish is less likely to overthrow society than my cat but I don’t lose sleep worrying that my cat is a danger to humanity.

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Ok?

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I don't see how it's fixable.

Improving mental health for one will help fix things.

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I didn't say improving mental health was the fix but will help fix things. And there's more to mental health than just chemicals. You have this thing call therapy. You're right it doesn't change the environment that has to come with people's mentality towards mental health. Right now we rather ignore those with mental health issues or that attack them than to help them.

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I don't think OP was talking about run of the mill depression. He was talking about men lacking purpose because their dreams of dominating their environment are completely thwarted. The only widespread solution for this would be to sedate them, chemically castrate them, or upload them into the matrix.

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He was talking about men lacking purpose because their dreams of dominating their environment are completely thwarted.

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I don’t think women will experience solitude in the same way men will

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With no wives/LTRs, no families, no meaningful work contributions and an increasingly atomized society , I predict there will be mass male suicides in the future

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Men will come up with short term plans for fulfillment like achieving a certain rank or skill level in a sport, game etc or maybe even some kind of career mark, because it’s something appealing or interesting to do in spite of there being no long term future.

Seems to me they aren't talking about men being able to dominate their environment much more than men dealing with total emptiness and zero purpose in life. As they are basically pointing out men are simply existing at that. They aren't trying to be something more anymore.

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I agree with you on this one man, anyone who thinks throwing antipsychotics down your throat is what mental healthcare is, is simply ignorant. Cognitive behavioural therapy for one is extremely useful for getting your mindset straight.

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throwing antipsychotics down your throat

that's basically how they run the public foster and elder care systems in the states. keep 'em sedated and then funnel the money you get from the feds for Medicaid into state revenue. voila: state-level budgeting

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That's basically what the NHS does in the UK too but that's just shitty mental healthcare. It doesn't mean it can't be done properly, just that the systems in place cba to spend the extra money and effort.

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Not 5 years ago people called me a conspiracy theorist for saying this

One thing I hate about society is that they're so smugly happy with being wrong until they can't anymore then act like "oh yeah everyone knows that".

Mental illness has A LOT to do with modernization and lack of purpose

[–]oneprettycoolcat2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No amount of poorly-understood psychiatric drugs or talking with a (probably female) therapist will change a lot of the things that are the cause of our general malaise.

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Ya read down the comment chain.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Situational depression is very different from the chemically depressed.

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So?

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

These people would benefit more from changing their situation than an SSRI.

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Go read the rest of the comment chain, as clearly you need to.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I read all of it. I agree with the other person who has been replying to you. I think it misses the forest for the trees for "increase mental health" to be your top level reply.

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Clearly you didn't.

And there's more to mental health than just chemicals. You have this thing call therapy.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah I read that part too.

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Clearly you didn't.

These people would benefit more from changing their situation than an SSRI.

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Why important or powerful instead of just useful?

[–]rulenumber30311 points12 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

If you just want to be useful there is absolutely nothing stopping you. Useful is easy. Grab a broom and sweep the street. Go read to old folks in nursing homes. Volunteer when your friends need help shifting. Fix people's computers for free.

This is not about feeling useful.

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Actually while I was unemployed I did volunteer with the elderly (no but seriously) and it did help my mood a lot during that time. Having no sense of purpose at all is what makes unemployment so depressing, and I think people underrate how important feeling useful is to mental health.

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Did you know many people do not feel useful if they struggle paying rent

[–]rulenumber3038 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Which is an argument for a comprehensive welfare state that provides sufficient material resources such that everyone can be housed, fed and kept in good health with a little left over for personal fulfillment. The woman who is working the job the unemployed dude would have had can pay taxes, the government can transfer funds to him on a regular basis and he can pay his rent. Sure as hell beats having to marry him and then spend a lifetime pretending to like sex with him, running a household in a way that pleases him, being told he's doing you a damn favor just by working for a living, having jokes made about being a scold when you try to have any say in things etc.

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At least someone admits the welfare state breaks families up. That's the British experience for decades now.

Also, I very much doubt people will feel useful if they have to rely on other taxpayers to look after them. I think they would prefer real independence. You will just create slightly better off people who feel even more useless.

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I'm pretty sure that feeling useful to other humans is a thing that predates the existence of currency.

[–]_Rookwood_Purple Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't address my point. If you take someone who is economically insecure and feels they aren't a contributing member of society and than just hand them taxpayers cash i very much doubt they will feel like they contributing members any more than before.

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Doesn't address my point. If you take someone who is economically insecure and feels they aren't a contributing member of society and than just hand them taxpayers cash i very much doubt they will feel like they contributing members any more than before.

Like I said, if a person is feeling useless there's plenty of unpaid work needs doing, they should go do it. Then they'll have a full belly AND be useful. If they've really fallen for this whole neocon blackpill bullshit, then maybe they could regard themselves as a special sort of prostitute who gets paid to NOT fuck people. Somewhere there is a person who is immensely happier in a world where she is a taxpayer and our hypothetical unattractive benefit recipient is masturbating twice daily rather then being a shitty sort of husband.

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Consistent but unrealistic

[–]rulenumber3034 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why unrealistic? It is an improvement in living standard for everyone. And all it takes is a bit of taxation and guys having to realize that making something of themselves is their own responsibility, they aren't going to be issued a woman to nag them into anything.

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We are currently trying to build a welfare state in America and the money for it is not all there and wouldn't be even if the taxation was in line with the nordic model countries

[–]oneprettycoolcat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhh you do know that the trend over the past few decades in the U.S. has been to continually get rid of "welfare", right?

[–]rulenumber3030 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You build up slow to it and you'll get there.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep! Can’t go to a welfare state in one big leap.

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A hammer is useful, but I doubt most people want to feel like nothing more than a tool.

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If this was a female problem society would move heaven and earth to fix it.

[–]GridReXXit be like that4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men care more about women than men.

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

As do women.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well of course women care about women lol

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, so your previous comment is pointless.

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Men just need to learn to adapt to the new world. You're right that brute force is not valued in modern society and automation will eventually takeover even the trades, but that doesn't mean a modern man can't find his place within it.

First of all it will be a long time before automation fully takes over anything more sophisticated than the service industry. In fact shit have you seen how often self-checkout machines go wrong in supermarkets? They can't even do that yet.

So we're talking many, many decades into the future here. Reddit loves to circlejerk about how the singularity is gonna happen tomorrow but this simply isn't true. Ask anyone who works in AI, data analysis, or a related field and they'll tell you this straight up. The technology we currently have (e.g. machine learning) is very overhyped and very primitive.

So safe to say, we will have work as a sense of purpose for a long time to come.

As long as you have some type of work, not only do you have a sense of purpose but also community within the workplace, other people who share your occupation, and so on. You still feel needed by the group as it were.

Now as for sex and relationships, yes I definitely see more guys in the future pooling resources, having housemates, not getting married. This seems to be a growing trend in my generation particularly.

Why would that lead to suicide though? Those guys will have close friends, presumably also have jobs to provide money and sense of purpose, and an active social life if they wish.

As for guys who think they won't be happy unless they do have a wife, they will work towards that goal instead. And it's not like office work is repulsive to women is it? The mere fact brute force isn't necessary to society anymore doesn't automatically mean these men are now unattractive.

I mean maybe I'm wrong, maybe you do need an LTR or marriage to not commit suicide, but I don't see life that way personally speaking. I've made the choice already not to have kids, and I'm very unlikely to get married for reasons I've spoken about elsewhere on PPD already, and none of this is sour grapes because I can't do those things. I assure you I could if I wanted. If Menu still has an alt somewhere, she's seen how hot I am lol.

But I genuinely think I'll be happier opting out of those things and using that freedom to focus on my own goals, which can be summed by getting rich, buying a Lambo, and doing cocaine off of hookers (although technically I can do the latter already I guess).

And that sounds fucking sick to me mate. In terms of famous people, I look up to Felix Dennis. He's the one who said "if it flies, floats, or fornicates, always rent it - it's cheaper in the long run." The guy had a net worth of £500m, never got married, just did whatever the fuck he wanted because he had total freedom.

Most guys clearly ain't gonna make £500m but they can have a higher level of freedom by "going their own way" regardless.

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So what exactly are you doing in terms of getting rich? I mean all you talk about is getting high.

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Haha that's a perfectly fair question.

I don't talk about my business on here on purpose because I don't wanna get doxxed but the long and short of it is importing cheap stuff from China and selling it at a profit in my country. I am saving up most of the profit and the hope is that this will go towards future expansion wherein I will eventually move onto wholesale. At that point I'd be buying in such bulk that the profit margins would be much more substantial.

Then I'll buy a Lambo.

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good for you brudda

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Thanks man, hoping it pays off!

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah ha. That is a plan, hope it goes well and you get your Lambo and hookers then.

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Cheers!

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First of all it will be a long time before automation fully takes over anything more sophisticated than the service industry

I think people fall into the trap of assuming that "automation" equals "r2d2 from Star Wars."

There are plenty of things that are automated more and more that you don't really see because instead of some physical robot doing it, it's just a script running on a server somewhere making the calls that you never actually see. Making a robot to load boxes is a whole lot different than writing an algorithm to automate stock trading (Which is a really, really big deal, too.), after all.

For instance, at one of my past jobs I got saddled with the work of some young lady who ended up leaving (I'm in IT but it was the fun "And other duties as assigned" clause). Basically it involved scanning a bunch of forms that came in overnight, splitting these forms up into different files based on a number on the form, and sending out emails to different people based on information in the form. This is pretty much what this young woman did all day.

It took me all of about three hours to write a script that read the forms once they were all scanned, search and split them based on that form number since it appeared in the same place and always was a certain number of digits, and then searched the pdf for relevant information about who to email and then send out the emails. I put in a random timer on the last bit so it wouldn't deluge people with emails and reveal what I did.

So it eventually came that all I had to do was physically scan the forms, then sit back and play video games or something in my office for a few hours while the script did its thing. I never told anyone that I had automated most of it, and I'm at best a mediocre programmer so I imagine someone who is actually good at it could do even better than I did.

The point is that a lot of the work we do today can be automated with the tools we have now with very little effort, it just requires someone with the right mindset (In my case, I'm extraordinarily lazy.) to come along.

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Right and I agree with you, the very existence of computers has made many boring office tasks a lot easier because computers can do basic shit way quicker than humans.

But look at the task you gave as an example, that's simply data entry and organisation. This is entry level work. And that's kinda my point, largely automation is limited to taking over easy jobs like that which any old laptop can do.

This whole fully automated AI utopia/dystopia (depending on who you ask) where computers can do jobs which require actual decision making, thought, and human interaction is so far off in the future it's not even worth thinking about yet.

Algorithms that can trade stocks are also significant, but have they put actual traders out of business yet? Absolutely not, not even close, because there's so many judgement calls humans can make which a computer simply cannot even begin to understand, not unless it has advanced AI that won't exist for a long time yet.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

neural networks are already better at decision making than humans in some cases

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Like what? Examples, links.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

alpha go comes to mind

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Oh yeah computers are good at playing games. They've been able to beat chess masters for a long time as well, this is nothing new. Yet I don't see that put to much practical use yet.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

there's a difference between chess and go though

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Right... but there's also a difference between Google using their billions of dollars and all those supercomputers to win a game, and using all that shit to actually replace humans in the workforce.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Personally I don't think humans will be replaced in the workforce en masse, actually.

As long as our brains and bodies are efficient enough as machines to compete with supercomputers we will still be competitive. As long as it takes some pizza and coke to get several petaflops of computational power, we're still going to be relevant.

That doesn't mean neural networks and AI in general are completely irrelevant though.

[–]throwaway738495028270 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

automation will eventually takeover even the trades

Not really. Manufacturing yeah, but not plumbing, pipefitting, electricians, etc.

Once these jobs are taken over by robots, so are pretty much every other job.

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It will be much more difficult than people seem to think, but eventually I think they'll at least partially automate the process.

You're right though, there will always be demand for physical human labour. If you're a smart guy right now you get into one of two fields: IT (because them computers are still gonna break) or the trades.

Customer service will probably still exist at least for high end companies who want to provide genuine human interaction to customers, but the jobs will be much rarer.

[–]throwaway738495028271 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think they'll at least partially automate the process.

In a way technology will make certain parts of trades easier, but there is no way these trades will be phased out (well, until robots with AI come around, but then no job is safe).

Trades and STEM jobs are overwhelmingly dominated by men and aren't really in danger of being automated any time soon, they're also at worst solid careers, and at best extremely lucrative.

The OP is a little delusional if he thinks women have a better skill set for the future. The only jobs women dominate that are lucrative are healthcare jobs and psychology jobs, the rest? Not so much. As far as degrees go, women get most of the art, communications, journalism, foreign language and english degrees, all of which are pretty useless when it comes to earning potential. Women also dominate in teaching and admin, but those are hardly lucrative, most earn less than practically every skilled trade. I'd also argue those jobs will become automated before trades ever will.

As far as jobs go, men will be fine in the future. However, I do think the suicide rate for men will go up, but it has nothing to do with their skillset becoming useless.

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I'm in full agreement with you here my man.

[–]mgtow_16 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure it will be suicides, but I'm pretty certain there will be more uncertainty and unrest. It could be suicides, it could be crime, it could be economic related, and it could be any combination of them. Hopefully we find a solution before society falls apart.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Artificial general intelligence obsoletes women too, not just men. Reductionism of both men's and women's skills is the future.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Dunno where you been but we don't exactly treat returning troops very well these days already. A large portion of homeless men are ex-military. It's very sad to be honest but that's how it is.

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[–]TheLongerCon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's always been the case.

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Pretty sure the same was true after the Vietnam war you Yanks had as well tho man, it's not exactly new to the 21st century. My country is no better so don't get me wrong I'm not trying to criticise the US. It's just a fact we see soldiers as disposable in society. I mean they are men after all so what's new?

[–]Ascimatorsmirks audibly4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't see a percentage that large stepping up to suicide, especially while they can have alcohol, tv, videogames and drugs instead.

[–]storffish2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they'll just drink themselves to death or OD, same result.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Kurt Vonnegut said that smoking was a socially acceptable suicide method, I think opioids are even more that. I also think becoming a white version of an African Hebrew Israelite is a form of social suicide.

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Lol what is an example of a white “black Hebrew Israelite”

😭😂😪 I’m from a city full of black Hebrew Israelites — always men. Always full of scams

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Alt righter who cosplays

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

LOLOL!!!

In the black community we jokingly call "hoteps" (Hebrew Israelites count as such) the "Ankh-Right"

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same thing just different external flavor e.g. chocolate, vanilla, curry etc. Btw what do you think of hotepy books like 'The Isis Papers' and 'Metu Neter'.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same diff yep!

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Wtf are Black Hebrews Israelites

Is this an east coast thing

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites

In theory cool idea.

In practice it's a bunch of ex-prisoners and/or zealous conspiracy theorists who don't have the mental capacity to understand what they're advocating.

Plus a lot just like the "man is king, women defer" aspect and run with that. A lot of them convince a bunch of women they're allowed to have multiple women, but she must be exclusive in the name of the Lord. It gets weird.

Hence a lot of them just seem like a male cult to me. I've never heard a woman proudly claim to be Hebrew Israelite. Just a bunch of men.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting. Seems like these dudes actually get laid tho, no idea how often that happens with “alt right”

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The joke really wasn't that they don't get laid or do get laid. It's more that many of the "right" guys are sexist and misogynistic and want to go back to a time where women just did what men say .

The "ankh-right" guys are the same.

That's the common thread.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

AhahahHa wtf is this nonsense

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Suicide? Who knows.

Drug addiction and overdoses? Oh absolutely

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re right this is more likely

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

We're already starting to see men qualify themselves to women a lot less. Look no further than the death of chivalry.

Watch an average neckbeard walking into a convince store with a women an attractive women behind him. Bet he doesn't hold the door for her. He is getting his large slushy, a bag of chips and heading back to his apartment for his PC. Shit, I'm far from ugly and I don't ever hold the door for a chick. In fact, I usually speed up, take the door first and give it an extra hard push. It's on her to finish the job.

There is an underlying MGTOW with all men that is unfolding. Sure we have a lot of betas who still placate women, but even when you talk to them, they know what's up.

Something is going to expose this on a mainstream level and it'll be done so in a manner that the media can't silence it. There will be no hate, bigotry or misogyny involved. This will be the point where the pendulum stops in it's particular direction IMO

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Considering that one of the things that feminism attacks is chivalry, as they see it as part of a paternalistic culture, this actually seems like more of a win for feminism than anything.

Lots of women nowadays would give you the stink eye or tell you that they can get their own door for themselves, whenever a man thinks he's doing her a favor by opening the door for her. So, you patting yourself on the back for being a rebel and being edgy by refusing to open the door for women, is actually a benefit for us all. Thanks!

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Please do not encourage suicide.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My apologies. Edited my comment.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Replace suicide with minecraft and you got it

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I could see that too, I hope it happens. Even some young women are back lashing against poor treatment of men, even some who also whine about men’s treatment of them.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Great post. There's some interesting data out there about the suicide rate by occupation. The occupational groups the with the highest suicide rates are:

  • Farming, fishing, forestry
  • Construction and extraction
  • Installation, maintenance and repair.

The occupational groups with the lowest suicide rates are:

  • Personal care and service
  • Office and admin support
  • Education, training and library.

Essentially, the male dominated fields have a higher incidence of suicide.

The researchers think this is not because men are more likely to commit suicide, and thus male-dominated have a higher rate. But because of "job-related isolation and demands, stressful work environments and work-home imbalance, as well as socioeconomic inequities, including lower income, lower education level and lack of access to health services."

Source.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–]GlibPerspectivePurple Pill Man-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So maybe if these shitty jobs disappear, we get universal basic income, and people are able to live less stressful, more interconnected, fulfilling lives at home there will be less suicide? Sounds pretty dope.

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UBI is hardly a given

[–]alby3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some Scandinavian countries are already experimenting with a ubi I believe.

It’s probably far more likely in Europe than the us

[–]GlibPerspectivePurple Pill Man-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like it's that or some terrible dystopian future where the proletariat is left to die because they're literally not needed for anything anymore. I think UBI wins out, but maybe i'm just being blindly optimistic because I can't deal with imagining things getting that bad.

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like it's that or some terrible dystopian future where the proletariat is left to die because they're literally not needed for anything anymore.

Bring on the black leather and neon colored hair, then. You're putting a whole lot of undeserved faith in people, as we have the technology and resources to fix most of our problems as a species but we choose to not do it because some people much prefer to see imaginary numbers in their bank account go up to levels that they could never spend in an entire lifetime versus, say, preventing children from starving.

Also sorry to burst your bubble but there will never be a UBI, at least in the U.S. It's much easier and more profitable to imprison excess men or simply kill them, and we're going to do whatever is most profitable.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing10 points11 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Modern economies favor women’s innate advantages over men. Women smoke men at Interpersonnal skills, empathy, inherent understanding of people and teams etc

Someone's never worked with women in an office before ever. Or read anything about what happens to the software development heavy boys clubs after they adopt diversity measures.

"The future is female" is a hilarious pipe dream and yet here you are passing the Kool aid like we're all already dead

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.19 points20 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Someone has an idealistic view of men in the workplace. Men absolutely fuck each other over, and women too. They are not this awesome view of loyalty and togetherness. They can be lazy, passive aggressive, incompetent and inefficient. I’ve witnessed men trying to sabotage others in the workplace multiple times, to the disadvantage of the company. Like wtf?

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Your industry probably isn't the norm. Lots of public hate against your industry. Most jobs I've had the men get along pretty well. The women get along ok to, they just complain more, and worry about the silliest crap

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The corporate world is full of men fucking one another over quite apart from lawyering, just because people appear to get along doesn't mean they aren't plotting to get one up.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, and women always get along great. 🙄

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No dude I specifically did not say that.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Nah, it happens sure, but generally men are chill and women are bitchy

[–]GridReXXit be like that9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This hasn’t been my experience. Men are underhanded and conniving in the office. Most people are tbqh.

[–]BPremiumMeh0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

only since they cant physically fight without getting sent to prison

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah and since women don’t really have the physique for fighting you’ll see more social sparring.

But yes in the modern workplace most ppl resort to social sparring since they aren’t punching each other.

[–]BPremiumMeh0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

which is bullshit. Bring back a good scrap without lawyers and bullies with badges, and you'll see much more social cohesion amongst men. Womens way just breeds retardation and appeals to higher power, which the government loves.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not every man excelled in the old way either.

Men’s way appeals to status and power too — a more physical side of it.

Also I think it’s only retardation to people who aren’t cunning in spirit or quick in social aptitude lol.

Just like I find fighting silly. Mostly because I’m going to lose a fight of brute strength against most men.

People find silly what they’re not particularly good at it.

[–]BPremiumMeh0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

More men excelled then than they currently do now. And mens appeal to power was through themselves. So they could grow, be better, in a measurable way. You got into an argument and got your ass kicked? brush it off, learn to duck and counter punch/grapple better, and grow. Nowadays you dont even get to know your accuser because its easier to hide behind policies and legalese.

Its retardation to people that value time and efficiency, and those that despise cowards. People who hide behind HR policies and lawyers are cowards.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re Focused on HR and work. I wasn’t really focused on that per se.

But I’m sure people who are more cunning find your ideals exhausting and dunce.

People are good at their things and have their own frameworks and ideals.

I think yours work for you, but I’m not in the habit in making value judgements on which is “better.”

It really just depends on the person and what they value and what their strengths are.

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[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not white People. It’s all people when their income and livelihood and professional reputations are at stake.

[–]IckyStickyPoo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, it happens sure, but generally men are chill and women are bitchy

ho ho ho no. My partner works in a huge company of almost all men. They are not chill.

[–]Hungry_AFYour friendly neighborhood misandrist6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No they're really not.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

its about the net. at every company ive been at all the workhorses are men, all the massive drama involves a vagina somewhere

if you want to get the most done get those horrible stem guys and no women

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if you want to get the most done get those horrible stem guys and no women

right?!

unless that involves some social shit

[–]BPremiumMeh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

to be fair, the only reason for sabotage and cats paw tactics is because its illegal to fight/hit someone else.

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I worked as a freelance consultant for a number of years, so I was in and out of a lot of places. I never met anybody who deliberately fucked up anybody else. Men or women. I met some rather incompetent people, probably because that is all the company could get. They weren't bad people though. Most people are ok.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree. It’s not most people. I’ve unfortunately had two people try and “sabotage” me. One woman, one man. The man’s tactics were much more deliberate and involved flat out lies. To this day I have no idea why he did it. He was an ex-colleague at the time.

Another ex-colleague at a different firm I worked for was bizarrely competitive about cases. Didn’t want me to be hired as the pharma lawyer even though the firm had no pharma lawyer and when he was previously asked if he wanted to do pharma cases he always said no. Like wth dude, why? It wasn’t just me though, we hired a top notch commercial lit guy and he acted the same way.

[–]throwaway738495028270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

tbf you're dealing with other lawyers.

[–]Butt-Factory6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I think automation and advanced AI will lead to all kinds of crazy consequences. Suicide is likely to be among them but I'm guessing there will be a lot of other factors that are yet unseen that prevent us from really making any serious predictions.

This is an unavoidable stage in human evolution that is coming at us like a freight train. It's no one's "fault", and there's not really much to be done about it. This is happening.

edit: I do think you are making a mistake when you assume women's jobs will be safe. With mass unemployment, no one is safe. It doesn't matter how good you are at your job if there are millions of desperate people willing to do it for less money. This will effect women too.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree with all of this

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The technology is unavoidable, the women slowly taking power and treating men like they should suicide is not a consequence of it :/

[–]Butt-Factory0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

not sleeping with you is not wishing death upon you. don't be so dramatic.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Frankly I wish, but sometimes this is not how it feels like when women talk about undesirable men. But not death necessarily, but banished or enslaved.

[–]Butt-Factory0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who's fault is it that you're undesirable?

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women standards. Men's needs. And feminism.

[–]Butt-Factory1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Note the total resistance into accepting any personal responsibility for your failures

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

First, this ain't about me. Second, i exposed responsibilities as being shared, your refusal to believe this is not a one sided fault is worrying me.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, furthermore men and women will take note and attempt to use this malaise for their own ends.

I foresee a lot of men's groups/self help initiatives/cults etc. all attempting to harness the power of these young men.

[–]single_use_accTaupe Enema3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I foresee any men's self-help groups getting shut down by screeching harpies like they have every other time before.

[–]Doom_and-Gloom5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I foresee them shutting down on their own due to lack of interest from men themselves long before that.

[–]single_use_accTaupe Enema0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's why that will happen:

"HA, HA: MALES ARE TOO STUPID TO GET HELP - by the way, any male who seeks out help is a pathetic weakling misogynistic who's probably looking for a gun so he can go full Elliot Rodger."

[–]CarkudoThe original opinionated omega0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you foresee that the current trend will sharply change? Why?

[–]Doom_and-Gloom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did not say that. I said most if not all men's self-help initiatives are likely to fail on their own due to lack of interest from men themselves long before feminists even decide to turn their attention on them.

This is because men don't like to hang around other men they perceive as losers, even if they're losers themselves.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Depends on how they are presented, I could well imagine a ''support group'' to help un-sexist men.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The Men’s Shed movement worked OK. There was not much opposition to having a bunch of men gather to build DIY projects. Now, if you started to teach high school students TRP in those sheds, there might be some outrage.

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[–]IckyStickyPoo4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But now at 30, I'm thinking more and more about it as a pragmatic way to stop any suffering and complicated situations.

Suicide is a dead end and that's all it is. Every human being suffers. Self-hate is hard but you could find yourself in a totally different place in a year or two, wondering why you used to feel so bad.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not worried about jumping in. Suicide is an eternal commitment, and I'm very much afraid of commitment. :P

I know in few times I could be elsewhere. I know it could be worse, I know suicide is an option at any moment though...

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Most people have kids to avoid suicidal thoughts due to lack of purpose.

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[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Chile.. yes therapy has the time I don’t to counter all of that.

I just went to my new GP and asked for referrals to a derma and a therapist.

I’m fairly introspective but introspective to know I need assistance learning how to center my thoughts and meditate accurately.

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[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I never really cared about skin stuff and I still don’t but I want to proactively stay looking great 😂

So I want to ask questions about what I can do now to preserve my sexy for as long as possible.

And I do have some slight acne scarring / hyper pigmentation that I’m tired of covering with concealer.

I think Cocoa butter fades scaring but I’m sure a derma would know of other serums.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (27 children) | Copy Link

Sadly I don't want to go on therapy in fear of being told I have to change my environment or I have to change myself... My choices are already well thought and I don't have better decisions with less compromises...

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Yeah something usually has to adjust or change for them to get better.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy Link

It's like, I'm suffering a bit from being polysexual in a monosexual relationship, and my choices are either to leave or to stop being polysexual... But I want neither.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Poly sexual?

You want sex with other people ?

Why?

  • not attracted to your wife as much?
  • she’s not offering sex as much ?
  • none of the above you want to be able to fuck everything that’s tempting ?

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I think I am monoromantic polysexual, idealistically. I also think most men are like that.

I'm attracted to my wife, in 10 years we have something like sex 3 times per week. My libido variates a lot on my health condition though.

not attracted to your wife as much?

I am. I just sometimes feel bored to have sex with her. And it began as soon as 3 month in the relationship. People all told me that my sex drive would calm down once I get satisfied with good sexual rhythm, it never happened. Felt I was a monster a first because everyone depicts that as bad, the men who are like that to be jerks, cheaters, ect...

But most men I know eventually admitted that no, steady relationship sex doesn't make them insensible to other women, porn, or masturbation. But they usually hide that idea.

she’s not offering sex as much ?

let's say that work and society feels denaturing. I want sex 3 times per day and that's when none of us are available. I don't crave sex 3 times per day, that would be too exhausting on the long run.

none of the above you just want to be able to fuck everything that’s tempting ?

yep more like it. The incentive is omni present and sometimes more frustrating than other times. Wife is a good partner, sexually open and all, I'm very lucky for that. I could be satisfied with some threesomes once in a while or some free pass once in a while, but she's absolutely nazi and insecure about my exclusivity and most women are like that in my area, despite being in a country renown for threesomes... And then I can't really know, people who get into ONS a lot tend to say they got bored of it and want a meaningful relationship more. I want a good balance of steady meaningful relationship and some sexual freedom here and there. Still want to build a family.

That model is absolutely not common at all, people either get monoromantic monosexual or polysexual aromantic. yet I'm pretty sure most men would be into it if it was more accepted.

A part of it could also be linked to all sort of problem in my rewarding scheme. Too much porn, masturbation, surreal expectations of sex, lack of sensibility down there... But when I try to stay clean on porn and masturbation

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Okay so yeah I guess you just want sexual variety. This is tricky because many partners will feel betrayed if they’re thinking “I’m attractive. I offer you sex when you want and you still want more.”

Best bet is to find a woman who’s okay with occasional sexual liberties in a relationship.

Problem is most women who accept that also want passes for themselves occasionally and men don’t usually want to accept that part.

Most men want “she’s exclusive, I’m not” and that rubs most women wrong.

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Hey man I have the same situation it's fucking rough because I love her so much and I'm not the cheating type so it's not like I can use ignorant excuses to "fuck up" every now and then

Either way I just want to say you aren't alone

And I don't watch porn so I doubt that's part of your problem

It's male nature dude, that 666 beast

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey man, sorry to hear about all this, but PPD is not a place to discuss suicidal ideation. Please see our Mental Health Resources wiki page for places where that would be appropriate.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your flair tho... x) my point was that suicide thoughts seem far away but get close pretty quickly at some point.

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I’m better off than most financially and genetically, but i don’t see the point

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Modern economies favor women’s innate advantages over men. Women smoke men at Interpersonnal skills, empathy, inherent understanding of people and teams etc.

If a hamburger from a vending machine is cheaper than from a living cashier / waitress, I don't care how many social skills she has. The baseline for any consumer is the price. With the same price, the consumer will prefer comparable goods and services packed with perky tits in silk blouses and fake smiles. With the different price, consumer will always go for the cheaper version of comparable goods and services. This point of your post is very controversial. And you seem to totally ingore how many women just stick to what I call a "recreational job" - i.e. a job that doesn't make any actual money and is just used to, essentially, get away from the family for several hours. Why do such jobs exist? - Because all able-bodied men are busy either learning new skills, doing a proper job, or looking for a job that would pay decently.

Look up unemployment rates for men and women. There are something around four nations worldwide where men don't outnumber women in workforce. One of them went through a bloody genocide a couple decades ago.

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A good point here is that it doesn't have to be a large percentage of men to get noticed or to make a significant impact. All it has to be is 10 to 15 points. That's roughly the figure by which age at first marriage is being pushed out. It's also roughly the figure by which the number of never married men and women by age 45 has increased over the last 30 or so years (i'll look for the chart).

And it's making an impact. It's getting noticed. People are talking about it. But it's been happening slowly over the years, and people are just now beginning to notice it.

And it won't just be suicides either. It'll also be men taking others out with them - ex GFs, or coworkers, or random people at shopping malls or public streets or office buildings.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed

[–]Hatefulmalez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It'll also be men taking others out with them - ex GFs, or coworkers, or random people at shopping malls or public streets or office buildings.

Such men must be offed.

[–]InsanoVolcanoOld School2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we have reached or nearly reached peak suicide. The things that make people suicidal in the present - isolation, certain drugs, lack of meaningful work - aren't going to increase substantially in the future. We're already isolated. We're already plied with anti-depressants, and their prescription is starting to trend downward. The only thing that COULD get worse is the downward trend of employment, but I think the previous two things counteract that.

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Women can't do without men simply because us men worship them and they can't do without worship and praise

[–]Hatefulmalez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot of women who can.

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

About 1.2% of men commit suicide in the US, the idea that it will rise is reasonable but to expect it to rise by between 8 and 20 times is unlikely. The worst country in the world for suicide, Sri Lanka, has a rate only about 3 times the US rate. Doubling or tripling in the US might be reasonable.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You’re probably right

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No. You are right. There will be mass suicides. Don't let the haters tell you otherwise.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As usual i hope that I’m wrong but don’t think I am

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why would you kill yourself when you have access to unlimited drugs, video game war simulations and hot sex-robots? All a man could wish for.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because those things are unlikely to lead to meaningful long term happiness imo. I could be wrong, but it seems like an effective distraction from the high T young man part of life, but not the aging , meaning seeking, legacy building part of life

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah ok. There is a point beyond which I cannot make predictions. Where mass automation and AI has been unleashed. But we're nowhere near there yet. One of the fastest growing job sectors in the USA is solar panel installers. Good old masculine job. Can you automate that? A robot which climbs on top of a roof, decides the best place to install panels, carries panels around, fix them to the roof, do the electric wiring, test it. etc. I guess you can do that, but it's not going to be anytime soon. There are a ton of jobs like that.

Mass production factories on the other hand can be automated quite extensively. This is not such an issue for the Western world I guess. But these factories mainly employ women (because they're more reliable, more likely to accept authority, less likely to cause trouble, go on strike, etc). And these women are going to be replaced by robots.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting take, strong points

[–]nemma8830/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see in a hundred or two years time the fluidity of human sexuality, the breakdown of binary gender, and brain evolution to the point heterosexuality will be a minority.

If humans make it through the crises to come, water shortage, food shortage, space shortage, threat of nuclear war, collapse of religion, economic reform or collapse and revolution etc which gives us lots to do in the short term future who knows what industry would pop up.

But short term, until a new era is established I think I agree. Not just because of the SMP - though it will play its part, from us furiously milking the good 'ol days cow, leaving new growth in a state of suspense and the market focused on consumerism over any growth. The inevitability of globalization and the balancing of the global scales that will not be benefiting those who were ahead before.

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Men lack the inherent attractiveness to women that women have to men.

There are just more factors that fuck up attractiveness for us.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

See my thread: women’s turn offs are stronger than their turn ons

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lol I did

[–]GlibPerspectivePurple Pill Man5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This is missing the part where automation could also lead to a socialist utopia where none of us have to do bullshit jobs and we can all live in relative prosperity.

I know it's a long shot, but if the universal basic income ball comes rolling a lot of these deaths of despair can be fixed. There are many ways for masculinity to manifest. If people no longer work men can display masculinity by developing aptitude and prowess in art, music, sports, hunting, or any other enjoyable pastime.

Also a lot of the reason why women are dominating in schools and whatnot is the massive amount of government assistance aimed at promoting the status of women. With the amount of articles about automation coming out, and specifically it's impact on low to middle class, uneducated men, I'm sure this will be discussed within a political cycle or two. Trump's election really shook things up, and people are waking to the idea that a large number of men might be feeling disenfranchised, and how dangerous that is for society.

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Basic income is not "socialist."

Basic income is essentially a way of putting people in a cage. You obey the rules set down by the important people and they might not let you starve. And, ultimately, why would they bother offering basic income when the cheaper solution is to just let people die? Or, if they get uppity, a bullet to the back of the head costs less than a quarter.

[–]BPremiumMeh0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

true! but thats also how revolutions begin, and that shit gets bloody. Fast.

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The imbalance of power between the government and its citizenry in the first world is too large for any successful revolution to happen.

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Basic income is essentially a way of putting people in a cage.

/u/oneprettycoolcat gets it.

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Basic income is not "socialist."

Basic income is essentially a way of putting people in a cage. You obey the rules set down by the important people and they might not let you starve.

Sounds like socialism to me.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever read animal farm? I think if a self sustaining socialist utopia were really possible, we'd have it by now.

[–]alby3332 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No we as a species do not have the social intelligence to make such a system work perhaps one day in the future. Sadly with current attitudes the well off will never see a benefit to being less well off so those in poverty are less poor and if I’m honest we seem to be moving in the opposite direction. Socialism isn’t really wrong it’s just humans aren’t capable of implementing it

[–]MessianicJuice2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think with AI, instant communication, and automation, we have a good chance of making socialism work. Those systems, when combined for the sake of everyone equally, could force socialism in an efficient, utilitarian manner. It could work if there was political will.

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What a bunch of depressing self-victimizing bullshit. It’s still unsure exactly how technological improvements in automation and AI are going to impact the labour market. Saying it’ll create a society that favours female skillsets is pure speculation. Maybe it will open up entirely new types of work or maybe we’ll slowly move away from lives based around a 9-5 job altogether.

Suicide might increase in the future but it has little to do with the amount of “low value” men in society who feel like they cannot compete. If you look at attempted suicides and the occurrence of suicidal thoughts you’ll find that women often outnumber men. And in China, a country where men literally outnumber women and therefore a great case study to test your theory, women commit suicide more often than men.

[–]darla105 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In China women are cut from their social spheres when they marry. That’s why they commit suicide.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Women may be more timid as workers, but men are smarter.

I see it like this: when you need to put up an illusion of work, you hire women to sit all day doing their nails and stabbing each other in the back gossiping and engaging in popularity contests.

When you need actual work done, you hire men

[–]Hatefulmalez2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Sexist much? Get out more.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Sexes are different, men have a dick and women have tits, sexism is a retarded insult

[–]Hatefulmalez2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

No, it is not. You insulted an entire opposite gender based on preconcieved bs. That's sexism. If you dont want to be called a sexist, dont talk like one.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Is women being able to give birth preconceived notions too?

[–]Hatefulmalez1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What? Stop spinning it, I was clearly calling you out.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

see racism is supposed to be a problem because there are no real differences between the races.

Sexism is different because the sexes are like different species

[–]Hatefulmalez1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Different in a physiological + biological sense, yes. But to say female gender is bitching at sessions while males are "bustin' their asses of hard work' is preposterous.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

As is the feminist idea of men being irrelevant caveman brutes who use physical strength to oppress poor smart and hardworking women

[–]Hatefulmalez0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

....you lost me. How else did men oppress women?

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Firstly, women are better socially in pure social settings, but do not compare with men when working together to complete a task. Man's neurological pathways evolved for millions of years going out into the wilderness, observing patterns of animal behavior, and making the kill. Pattern recognition is key to that point.

Secondly, automation creates jobs. It's just that society has to adjust to the new job market. People have to make and maintain both the hardware and software. Those people will mostly be men as the stats surrounding stem fields already indicates.

Third, you're assuming things are going to trend in the same direction. I strongly encourage you to study economics or some other field that deals with group human behavior. People are fickle and change their mind a lot. Just because things have been trending one way for awhile does not mean they will continue down that direction. Also, there is already increasing amounts of pushback against modern feminism. Just look at the election of Donald Trump, the rise of The Red Pill, etc. What if trp becomes mainstream? What if Trump gets re-elected. I think you're assuming a lot. It's certainly possible what you predict will come to fruition, but I have strong doubts about it.

[–]TheLensOfEvolution1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Suicide might be a little extreme... but I’ve been checking out of life with video games, porn, YouTube, etc. I’ve considered how meaningless my life is (42, living at parent’s house, single, poor). I’m just wasting my days away, waiting for nothing but to get old and sick and die of a heart attack or something. So I think apathy and nihilism will increase amongst men, and not necessarily suicide, because hey, DOTA 2 is still super fun, and there’s always drugs to make me happy.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that’s savage

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Modern economies favor women’s innate advantages over men. Women smoke men at Interpersonnal skills, empathy, inherent understanding of people and teams etc. men’s brute strength was nullified by automation and the prison industrial complex. Young urban women now Out earn young urban men, this is particularly relevant due to most opportunities being in urban these days. Women outnumber men in college, their investments do better overall, and they buy more houses.

There will always be someone more successful than you. What does it matter if that person is a man or a woman? What about women's success makes men want to withdraw from the game entirely?

Men lack the inherent attractiveness to women that women have to men.

Why do you think successful women such as Oprah Winfrey and JK Rowling still choose to be with men?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oprah is a lesbian

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Oh, I didn't know that. I thought she was with Stedman.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stedman has been her beard for 30 years, Gayle is her gf

[–]Orange_Paisley4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He’s her beard.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

::whispers she is, she is::

Her and Gayle are soulmates.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now I know everything.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men don't gain status by competing with women

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There are still other men to compete with. And when faced with a competition, women are much more likely to defer to men than the reverse.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

It’s not about women’s success “discouraging” men, it’s about men lacking competitive abilities in female favored markets. I am a nurse, I work in a female dominated field and outside of a very few specific niches women outdo men. I’m not trying to be he best nurse ever, just safely and compassionately take care of my patients a few days a week so I can spend the rest of my life doing nothing

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I work in a female dominated field and outside of a very few specific niches women outdo men

I don't believe this, but even if it was true, why is it a problem? It's certainly not the case that all men are the worst nurses, and all women are the best. Maybe women are slightly better on average, or maybe the very best nurses are mostly women, but why does this matter? Previously maybe the best person at a job was a man, but it still wasn't you.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

no reason to engage with people who flat deny what im saying

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

What part do you disagree with?

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You don’t believe that I work in a female dominated field

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Oops lol, bad phrasing on my part. I meant that I don't believe women outdo men even in nursing.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Well they do in a lot of ways. Men excel in ED and psych that’s about it

[–]GridReXXit be like that3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Every male nurse I’ve had has been hot. Why is that.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

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Well they do in a lot of ways. Men excel in ED and psych that’s about it

Read that as "men excel in erectile dysfunctiom", lol.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am in a peds hospital and there are men in every nursing department. They make out just fine. I would say men also tend to gravitate to ICU.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“Make our just fine” isn’t what I said.

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There will always be someone more successful than you. What does it matter if that person is a man or a woman? What about women's success makes men want to withdraw from the game entirely?

Men feel like they are not useful if they can not be successful

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No, men feel like they are not useful if they aren't able to provide.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

What's keeping men from being successful if that's what they want?

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Women on average being more successful then men at the available jobs means men will be less successful on average. And this advantage women have is genetic

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Do you believe there is only a fixed amount of jobs?

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Yes

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I don't know anything about economics, but I would reason that as long as job growth outpaced the growth of the labor force, then there won't be larger than average number of unemployed persons. This is partially because as the labor force increases, so does the number of consumers and employers. Perhaps you might say that the fraction of the unemployed that are men will increase, but this would require women to be better than men across all occupations, and also for their genetic advantage to be large enough to predominate over other more pertinent factors that influence success.

I don't see this as likely. Women are not as driven to succeed as men. We aren't as strong as men. We arguably aren't as intelligent as men. There are very few fields where women would have an advantage. Even in something traditionally feminine like nursing, men still get paid more.

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Perhaps you might say that the fraction of the unemployed that are men will increase

Yes that is what I am getting at.

I don't see this as likely. Women are not as driven to succeed as men. We aren't as strong as men. We arguably aren't as intelligent as men. There are very few fields where women would have an advantage.

This I disagree with. Women are getting much more degrees then men now and are naturally better socially then men. Physical strength does not matter much in post industrial economies where 70% of the jobs are service jobs. Here it is on the way to being a woman's world

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The highest earning degrees are still predominantly held by men.

And even if women are better at service than men, they are still getting paid less in these jobs. So it's highly likely that there are other more important factors at play.

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The highest earning degrees are still predominantly held by men.

What are those?

And even if women are better at service than men, they are still getting paid less in these jobs.

That's married women. Unmarried ones outearn their male counterparts

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is partially because as the labor force increases, so does the number of consumers and employers.

Well, there's your misconception right there. People joining the labor force (And, historically, we're at a pretty low level of labor participation right now. You can see the chart here and the actual BLS website here) don't necessarily put much money into the economy because they're generally pretty poor.

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This seems more a symptom of our economy than any gender divide.

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's definitely true, but I do think a shitty economy affects men more than women as women can have value outside of their economic value, whereas most men cannot.

[–]drok007Not white enough to be blue pill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would say murders and suicides will both increase, not everyone feels the need to take it out on themselves directly.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well we currently have a spree of mass shootings

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This seems as if it would make a fairly entertaining plot for a dystopian-esque fiction novel.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought so too. I really could see it happening tho

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet we are living that novel.

[–]purpleppparmchair evo psych3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

On a scale of Fox Moulder to Alex Jones how crazy am I?

You're not the first to come up with this. Minus the suicide part, Hanna Rosin wrote an article and a book about this a while ago. I'll think we'll find a way to fix it tho. Maybe we'll come up with technology to sedate men, or parents will choose to have more daughters somehow.

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[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thats what I suspect. Men will be "castrated" in various ways. You already see the beginnings of it with ADHD and Austism "epidemics". Mere attraction toward post pubescent teens is now spoken about like a disease. Sexually forward behavior is more and more stigmatized if not criminalized. Basically, with male psychology being pathologized, you will gradually see more sedative, anti-psychotic, and perhaps hormonal treatments for various "diseases". It won't be the forced physical castration of all men, but the gradual chemically imposed compliance of a growing number of them.

No, you'll see more systematizer males beating women at their own game by putting 10000 hours into learning how to be manipulative, play victim, fake emotional expressions, be passive aggressive. There will be more guides from pissed off men teaching other men to mimick women's behavior and do it better than women, because they're driven by testosterone to be competitive, and women are not. Gays already do it well, and it's successful, no reason straight men can't adapt with a climate that's hostile to them, only reason they haven't yet is because the climate isn't hostile enough yet, and the benefits of risky masculine behavior outweigh the risks for a lot of them.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think your specific examples will happen but you're on the right track. Women might have better social skills than men in general but the people with the best social skills are usually men. Think of the most charismatic people in history, usually politicians and other male figures.

It won't be about mimicking behavior's but about subtle social nuances and dynamics most women know unconsciously but would never study and perfect to the extent only a competitive, analytical man could.

[–]darla102 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve already been advised to put one of my boys on meds because he won’t sit still in class. That’s not happening.

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Your forgetting as well that masculinity itself will be pushed out socially in favor of femininity. And any men that are masculinity at least rooted in it will be punished for it not just in school but in work as well.

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Thats exactly what Im saying?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Done so via drugs I am talking about done by social means.

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Thats already been done

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No its not, but starting to.

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ADHD is treated with stimulants, not sedatives. Giving all the men Adderall would if anything make them more motivated to go out and do shit.

[–]BeyondTheLight1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol Caffeine already gets me up and running. Imagine what Adderall would make me get done.

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Conquer the fucking world... inside your own head, as you run about chasing the shadow people cuz you ain't slept for a week.

Nah but in all seriousness, pharma amphetamines are extremely useful tools for productivity, and they can make even the dullest of tasks feel fun. If you're on that stuff you will not want to just sit there doing nothing. It makes you want to get up and do shit 100%.

If anything giving all the men ADHD meds could easily be the solution to this dystopia.

[–]BeyondTheLight0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As long as we don't give people acid tbh. There is some stereotype to acid and hippies. It literally makes people hippies tbh. They suddenly stop "caring" so much about things. It is also why people who are afraid to die, but are treated with acid suddenly are okay with dying.

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Acid does essentially turn people into hippies yeah it's pretty amusing. Although I go back to normal as soon as the stuff wears off, during the trip I'm so fucking hippie man.

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Yeah I know

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I'm in the process of looking into gestational surrogacy as a single male. (I will likely hold off on this for another 5 years though)

My plan is to only have daughters. I think bringing a boy into this world will be a disservice to him and my genetic line.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You're thinking too small. Women will do better by default but the elite will always be male. Women lack the competitive drive and analytical mind to dominate hierarchies. It makes perfect sense because climbing social and economical structures is at the core about securing access to higher quality females, why would women be the best at it?

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Yes. The key phrase being "elite male". This is not an easy circle to penetrate. I would say my best bet for getting my descendants into these elite circles is to have very physically attractive daughters (whose would-be mothers I would not be able to attract on my own due to my own low SMV) and then encourage them to marry into these kinds of circles.

At that point, when they have children, the children will be either in the elite circles or on the fringe of these circles.

Of course, none of this is a guarantee at all, but it's my best option.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You create your own circumstances. No reason you can't penetrate those circles yourself if you put your mind to it. Never forget that we human are the most successful and resourceful predator on earth, even Billy Beta is a force to be reckoned with if he stops being helpless and fucking putting 100% of his being towards something.

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First, you are contradicting yourself here: "No reason you can't penetrate those circles yourself if you put your mind to it" and "If he stops putting 100% of his being towards something". You do realize that, to become very successful, you will need to be 100% committed to it, right?

And you do sound pretty naive. It's definitely not impossible to crack upper class circles. It's not hard to be economically or even socially mobile in the US. But I'm talking about cracking the highest of the high, the Trumps and the Clintons of the world.

To do this on your own, you would need to be the equivalent of Mark Zuckerberg (and you would need to create something as widely used as Facebook).

It would be more likely to progress the way Trump's family did (Grandfather becomes successful, father is more successful, son is the most successful).

This is absolutely possible (and I'm currently working towards it; I'm not a liberal socialist, after all), but I still think the best bet is to have a hot, savvy daughter to marry into these circles.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Awkward wording on my part, I did mean that you need to stop being a helpless victim and start putting 100% of yourself towards your goals.

To be fair, you never mentioned precisely what your goals were. Top 1% is what many would consider as elite circles, top 0.01% is evidently another ball game entirely.

I think we live in a world where considerable upward movement is possible in ridiculously short time frames. Zuckerberg is an extreme example but there are thousands of self made men getting into the 11 figure/billionaire club.

That in itself is not gonna get you anywhere, I think you could get away with having much less if you combine it with a deep understanding of social dynamics and human connections. In that regard, I think a man has a much better chance than a pretty face with a nice ass.

I'm a big believer in the newfound study and mastery of social dynamics by the regular joe. Pickup artists are the start of this movement but learning how to sleep with random girls is only a tiny drop in the potential of this skill set.

I have to say I'm curious what it would look like if you did train a daughter into those arts from a young age, it would be fascinating to witness for sure.

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Awkward wording on my part, I did mean that you need to stop being a helpless victim and start putting 100% of yourself towards your goals.

As I said, I'm already in the process of doing this. I don't see myself as a victim at all. If you knew me IRL, you would have no question about what kind of person I am.

To be fair, you never mentioned precisely what your goals were. Top 1% is what many would consider as elite circles, top 0.01% is evidently another ball game entirely.

It's very easy to be in the Top 1% by being either intelligent or charming. I am both. I make 6 figures currently and most of my friends are doctors and entrepreneurs. I especially like entrepreneurs because I tend to think the most like these people.

I think we live in a world where considerable upward movement is possible in ridiculously short time frames. Zuckerberg is an extreme example but there are thousands of self made men getting into the 11 figure/billionaire club.

I agree that it is definitely possible. Difficult, but possible. And I am currently working towards that, as I mentioned previously.

That in itself is not gonna get you anywhere, I think you could get away with having much less if you combine it with a deep understanding of social dynamics and human connections. In that regard, I think a man has a much better chance than a pretty face with a nice ass.

I'm not a very social guy and I don't desire to be. In fact, I hate dealing with people. As I said, I can be very charming when I want to be and I know how to hit the right buttons and ingratiate myself. In the past, in areas where I've lacked talent (and there many), I've been able to charm people into helping me.

However, I do think that a female with these talents along with business savvy and good looks can move much further in life than a man, especially these days.

I'm a big believer in the newfound study and mastery of social dynamics by the regular joe. Pickup artists are the start of this movement but learning how to sleep with random girls is only a tiny drop in the potential of this skill set.

Okay, yes, social dynamics is all well and good, but you need to find these circles first before you can charm them socially.

I have to say I'm curious what it would look like if you did train a daughter into those arts from a young age, it would be fascinating to witness for sure.

That's one of my goals. However, my primary reason for desiring to have children this way is to produce offspring that I'm not otherwise genetically able to produce (I would not be able to attract a tall, attractive, intelligent blonde woman for example). I'm also very concerned about the current treatment of fathers in our country. I figure if I'm a single father without a declared mother, I can't lose my children to divorce and a vindictive family court lawyer.

[–]IckyStickyPoo2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Man, that's depressing.

And if 20% of men commit suicide by middle age, then about 5% of women will also be committing suicide (if men committing suicide 4 times as much as women holds).

People are just never going to be happy, by and large.

Even if we design a way to provide for everyone without most people having to work, what would people become without the drive & struggle to achieve? Seems that women of the 50s who didn't do paid work got through with antidepressants.

Are we all doomed to become lotus eaters??

[–]purpleppparmchair evo psych4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That would be 25% of the population wiped out.

noooooo check your math it's not that depressing

[–]IckyStickyPoo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

haha yep, not that dire - will edit. I think I got all caught up in the sadness.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I actually forgot to mention depression and the opioid epidemic, that will factor in as well.

I wouldn't necessary project that women's suicides will increase proportionally with men's though. Their social role is changing but not wholesale vanishing

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the opioid epidemic

Just like the mass shooting thing someone else brought up, this is a US specific cultural issue. It does not apply to the rest of the world. The US uses 80% of the entire world's opiate supply.

Blame your corrupt government for allowing Purdue to get you to all become smackheads.

(He says as he sips codeine lol... but you get my point.)

[–]IckyStickyPoo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't necessarily project that women's suicides will increase proportionally with men's though. Their social role is changing but not wholesale vanishing

I'm projecting that based on what is currently happening (women's suicide rates increasing along with men's) and also what things would be like in the future if your scenario played out. It would be hellish for everyone to have that number of men committing suicide and would cause a lot of depression/trauma in the general population. It's hellish enough right now for the families facing it.

I really worry about the whole automation thing and many men's jobs vanishing. But different sources predict different outcomes in terms of automation.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am a simple man. Cxj says there will be mass suicides, I know there will be mass suicides.

But yeah, I agree and see it coming, too. I have no doubts. The signs are there.

I think what's holding men back is that failed suicide attempts can leave you disabled and even more miserable, especially here where you can't legally get a gun and have to stick to other methods. There should be suicide booths like they have in Futurama.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

DUUUUUUDE I’m all for the euthanasia clinics like in soilent green

Didn’t know they were also in futurama

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never really watched Futurama. I honestly don't know why I know they have it.

Yeah, I guess working in the medical field changes one's opinion on suicide and euthanasia.

The year I worked at a hospital definitely changed mine.

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[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is "the opioid epidemic" sweeping my generation

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah that's Purdue pushing pills to make a profit by lying about their addictive nature.

This is a US only issue, it literally does not exist in any other country on the planet. The USA alone uses 80% of the world's opiate supply.

[–]storffish0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

that started it but it's running on its own momentum now. started off people following doctors orders and getting addicted, now it's people who want to escape. we get cheap heroin from Mexico too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I know, I've seen the documentaries and read all the articles.

My point is though, this didn't happen in any other country. It's US specific.

It may possibly spread to developing markets in the future, that's yet to be seen.

But in the West, no other country has rampant opioid addiction like the US.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its only going to get worse. Given the rise in male suicide rates and the current factors I can only guess/bet that we will start seeing a noticeable increase of male suicides in baby boomers.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great write up!

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[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRPers are pushing this crap. Ten percent of men, dying by suicide?!

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It's nice to see the incel world view become a regular part of "purplepilldebate".

Yea seriously it's like the mods are in love with incels now.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This poster is def not an incel

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It says incel content is against the rules.

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Thanks for finally making this post!

I don't think the majority of these men offing themselves will take the mindset of the rockstars who burn out fast - a decline into content misery seems more likely. It is what I observe in the communities forming with these characteristics currently

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree overall with what you’re saying, I just think there’s a chance men will adapt to shorter predicted life spans and live more awesomely during these short spans

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Natural selection. Men of the future will be feminine and weak, and natural selection will select for women who prefer such men. So in the future, everyone will become a pseudo lesbian.

[–]passepar2t0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's going to be as many as 10%. But, yes, I think suicides will go up.

[–]Hellothere_10 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

First of all I severely doubt the whole automation situation will hit men any more than women. Men are good at heavy lifting but they are also more interested than the average woman in science, engineering and software devlopment which are likely to flourish in the next decades.

Don't get me wrong we are looking at a fundamental restructuring of society during the next 20-60 years but this doesn't have to be bad. Ultimately something like UBI is going to become necessary but I personally don't have much doubt that once that is the case it will happen if only because we are looking at a full economic collapse otherwise.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think a UBI would be necessary when the alternatives such as letting people starve or simply putting a bullet into the backs of the heads of people who cause problems are vastly cheaper for the people in charge?

[–]Hellothere_10 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because the rich people in charge wouldn't let that happen. Companies can have all the fancy robot factories they want, they still won't make any profit if the people they sell their products to can't afford them because there aren't any jobs.

As much as those big cooperation like to look down on little people, without then there is no market and most branches of economy would collapse.

At some point they won't have any other option but to beg governments to raise taxation and provide people with money so they can continue to sell their stuff.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If they have fancy robot factories that can make whatever they want then they no longer need things like an economy.

You also haven't seemed to notice that while the average American (and first world we in general) have gotten considerably poorer over the last 40 years, companies' profits have never been higher. Our current times have proven the Keynesian dream that the interests of the rich and poor are the same as foolish.

[–]Hellothere_10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you really think these people would be content shutting down their billion dollar consumer goods robot factories just because they can technically produce everything they need for themselves?

Do you really think politicians would be willing to kill all the peasants below them and thus make their own jobs obsolete?

The only reason cooperations need politicians is to is because they control and manage all the little people. The moment politicians just let their own population die they will become useless themselves and lose all their power. Even the most corrupt politician would not let that happen.

There is also still the option of open rebellion.

Heck, most Western governments are actually already brainstorming or experimenting with UBI on a small scale.

Unless we completely fuck up our democracies beyond repair I don't really worry that UBI will happen once it becomes necessary.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you really think these people would be content shutting down their billion dollar consumer goods robot factories just because they can technically produce everything they need for themselves?

Yes. Money is worthless if you can produce everything you need.

Do you really think politicians would be willing to kill all the peasants below them and thus make their own jobs obsolete?

Yes, because politicians are the same people who would be owning these factories. There is no difference between government and business in our society.

Unless we completely fuck up our democracies beyond repair I don't really worry that UBI will happen once it becomes necessary.

You really don't seem to know much about the history of the United States. We're dealing with a group of people who have a long history of preferring physical violence to oppose things like an 8 hour work day or workplace safety laws. Human life means nothing to them.

[–]Hellothere_10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Money is worthless if you can produce everything you need.

The people in question already have all the money they'll ever need, and yet they still gather more and more.

At those top levels we are looking at a lot of highly competitive and narcissistic personalities that just wouldn't be content with an easy life supplied by robots. I seriously doubt they would just give up on the economic system no matter how irrational that might technically be.

Yes, because politicians are the same people who would be owning these factories. There is no difference between government and business in our society.

That's just factually wrong. The industry might have a huge sway in politics, but you know who has an even bigger sway? Banks.

And you know who would be the first ones to lose everything if you collapsed the economy in favor of self-sufficient robot production? That's right, also banks.

Do you really think all those powerful banks are just going to let that happen without using their influence to try to keep the economy and monetary system alive?

You really don't seem to know much about the history of the United States. We're dealing with a group of people who have a long history of preferring physical violence to oppose things like an 8 hour work day or workplace safety laws. Human life means nothing to them.

I think you are being a bit pessimistic here. I mean sure, Americans have been brainwashed to worship capitalism and rich managers but if you took away their livelihood en mass that very violence you mentioned would turn against the powers to be.

Besides, the United States are not the only country and if they completely refsed to change people would just mass emigrate elsewhere and the US would become politically irrelevant.

[–]brucebannerstailor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is all incredibly subjective. You are providing no other information other than your own opinion to back up what you are saying. What is your evidence that women are "naturally more likable"? Who are you surveying to confirm that men have less attractiveness to women than woman to men? You use an example of one famous person who took their life as a means to make the point that men overall feel less fulfilled than women, don't you think its possible that he is an outlier and you are taking one popularized case to make a point it doesn't even connect to? Male suicide is increasing yes, but you are almost trying to point it at one single cause, video games, and you can't even establish a link there. So because young men play video games they will become isolated and kill themselves? Again you provide nothing other than your own opinion on what the life of a gamer is. There are numerous other factors that could be influencing this trend, prescription pills, economic shifts, environmental factors which yes could include video games but that is far from the single cause.

[–]Hatefulmalez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent. The more men off themselves with, the better for us women. Just dont take prisoners with you.

[–]snapchatmeyourgw1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Economies will always favor logical thinking. Your entire premise is flawed

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Economies favor logical thinking? Do you mean that’s a necessary feature for jobs and men have more of it?

[–]newredditfag2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men will always dominate the STEM fields due to their logical thinking abilities and testesterone driven hyper competetivity. Men have always craved for power and they have always achieved it. I don't really think your fears are justified that women will control the society because of empathy or whatever. Men have always been in power and will continue to do so. Gender studies don't run the country. But you are right that a certain section of men who don't contribute productively due to automation, womenisation etc may be more prone to suicide than say similar women with worthless goals.

[–]Doom_and-Gloom1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, some men have always craved power, and even fewer have achieved it.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

all men are competitive

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Virtually all men crave power. Doesn't mean they all get it, but they all want it.

[–]snapchatmeyourgw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, men don't have more of it they just refrain from thinking emotionally.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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