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So was wondering what do BPers and RPers here think about that decision?


[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (5 children) | Copy Link

Because this is sort of noteworthy, I figured we should approve this post, even though it's about incels.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this56 points57 points  (66 children) | Copy Link

I worry for the incoming flood of homeless incels.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Me too. But we're not gonna let a takeover or anything happen.

Especially since admins are clearly done allowing that kind of content on this site. They've already banned a few of the incels backup subs.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt they flood here. If anything they are going to flood TRP and MR, and likely a few other subs like PUA ones.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol. I mean we were already commonly here before. I’m incel in the end.

[–]eliechallita3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're much better than people like StAliaHarkonnen or Lookismisreal though

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You and most of the incels here debate even if they whine about no woman fucking them.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're alright though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They probably already have ten backup subs so I wouldn't worry about that. /r/incels was never the main sub in the first place, it was the normie one for distraction, whereas the real shit went down in private subs.

[–]Ascimatorsmirks audibly6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

real shit

What, like using the word "femoid" 10 times more per sentence?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much yeah. Private subs are like x10 more autistic.

[–]Ascimatorsmirks audibly0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is it possible to be more autistic than what I've seen on r/incels?

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[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

they probably already have ten backup subs

Abundance mentality!

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

We should welcome them.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.23 points24 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

God no all you new people have no idea

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑10 points11 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I was just looking at this thread like who the fuck are these people!?

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome back. We missed you.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Heyyy dragoness!

[–]BeyondTheLight2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ikr. GET THESE YOUNG PEOPLE OFF OF MY LAWN I OWN THIS PROPERTY YOU POOR FAG MILLENIALS.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you back??!

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol, oh dear god no.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You tease

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, what kind of woman would I be if I weren't?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

HEYYYYYYYYY!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Omg hi!

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hiiiiii bby!!!! ❤️

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

What, the incels?

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

LOL.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Judging by what I’ve seen, welcoming incels would be like welcoming cockroaches into your house. They will fuck up everything and shit all over things.

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly right.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

To get quality discussion:

  • Purge incels, hard-line extremist TRPers, and other maladjusted jackasses.

  • Bring in educated people, with backgrounds in biology, evolutionary psychology, philosophy, or sociology. Easier said than done, although we've got a behavioral therapist in here and we might've had a bona fide clinical psychologist at one point.

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, bless your heart.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

She ain't that new, and I think for her I think given her anti male views her replies are only be more comical.

[–]pinkgoldrose8 points9 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

I'm not really anti male, I'm anti reddit males who complain about women. My vitriolic responses are very much reactive. I don't stay that stuff in real life, but then again I don't meet misogynists in real life. If they left my gender alone, I would leave them alone.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Same. I'm seen as ultra sexist here, yet I don't treat women differently IRL, my beliefs are sexist, not my behaviour.

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

My beliefs are not sexist.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I said "same" in the sense that how I am here is not defining how I interact IRL. Not in the fact we share the same beliefs.

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's totally possible that I had some ugliness inside me and that this is the place where it came out. I hope I'm not making the place worse.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't consider our beliefs to be ugliness inside us. The way we formulate them isn't always perfect. But since we're on a mature debating place, we can point out these errors or forgive them. IRL is a lot more harsher.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

I'm not really anti male, I'm anti reddit males who complain about women.

And you removed your blue flair because? If you where really such I would think what you where saying would be different. Instead you often make broad generalized (and well often unfactual) statements in regards to men.

I don't meet misogynists in real life.

I wager you have, just not out right noticeable ones. Nearly all men know to not say anything critical of women in public as its not PC. The only ones that don't are the men like Trump. But they are a minority. Hell I bet if you meet me in person and heard what I say about women you would call me one despite everything I say being true least for where I live. As were I live is where the very sort of women RPers and to some regard incels complain about actually exist.

[–]pinkgoldrose3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

And you removed your blue flair because?

I didn't have a flag before, then I thought about something funny to write in a flag, then I stopped finding it funny and I removed it. Why do you ask about my flag?

If you where really such I would think what you where saying would be different.

?

Instead you often make broad generalized (and well often unfactual) statements in regards to men.

Only because red pill makes broad generalized and unfactual statements about women. Like I said, I'm reacting to red pill. This is a sub to debate red pill.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you ask about my flag?

Curious monkey.

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Talking about how you word/phrase things. There's a difference in saying men do X versus RPers say X.

[–]Mr_Smoogs 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Pretty sure you're a vapid misandrist volcel at your own omission

[–]pinkgoldrose5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

When did I admit to being a vapid misandrist? Vapid maybe, misandrist no. I love people and I believe in the good of people, including men.

But if red pillers want to go on record and say:

  • AWALT
  • women are manipulative
  • women branch saying
  • women have nothing to offer
  • women use men for their resources

Then I'm going to reply that:

  • men are manipulative
  • men branch swing
  • men have nothing to offer
  • men use women for their ressources
  • NAMALT

That's right, despite saying some "mean" things about men (none worse than what red pill says about women), I've remained the bigger person as I've consistently said NAMALT in numerous comments.

It boggles my mind that you guys find a way to call me the extreme one. Most of what I write is saying "what you say about women is also true about men" or "what you say about women is false".

I just can't agree with red pill. The women I know are upstanding, loyal, hardworking. Any guy can get casual sex easily and if he wants a wife he can easily get one who outearns him and will still clean up for him.

PPD isn't a manosphere safe space. It's meant for debate.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think that you misunderstand the message of AWALT. It's analgous to 'treat every gun as a loaded gun,' it is not to be taken literally.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Much like the real homeless, it sounds like a nice idea until they actually get here. Then you want to get rid of them.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

r9k was better

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I hope it does not turn into incel Niagara falls screaming in a barrel here because their cesspool got torched.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh it will

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

😎🔨

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]RapedByAGirlshadowbanned for posting about being raped ideaology:MGTOW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relevant flair.

[–]darkmoon0933 points34 points  (281 children) | Copy Link

It was a shitty, low-quality sub that didn't offer guys any formidable path out of the woods thay they're lost in. They would be better off at TRP but even TRP has little tolerance for whiny incels becuase TRP is about identifying the issue and implementing solutions to those issues rather than just complain and hate women.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (279 children) | Copy Link

It’s usually genetics. I’m afraid you can’t change it. Some people are unappealing to women no matter what.

[–]Cristoff1314 points15 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Genetics may prevent you from being a "Chad" who can easily score casual sex, but I see plenty of unattractive men who manage to get a girlfriend or wife. Unless you are seriously disfigured or grossly overweight, there are other factors in play.

[–]darkmoon096 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LTRs are overrated in this day and age..causal sex is where it's at.

[–]rovad_5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*sigh

Its just not worth explaining anymore

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

The big difference is that these ugly guys have to pay, whether outright or not, to have a girlfriend or a wife, as she is not with him because she is sexually attracted to him.

Most mens' sexuality has no value, and thus access to women has to be purchased with something else.

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Why is it so important to you what woman think? If I was an ugly dude with an excess of cash, I'd be out there swimming in whore pussy. So what if she doesn't find you attractive. Pussy is pussy. And then you can send them off when they start to be irritating. All this concern about female validation is the supreme beta characteristics of all.

[–]oneprettycoolcat6 points7 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Why is it so important to you what woman think?

Do you believe that a woman will treat a man who is paying her the same as she will treat a man to whom she is sexually attracted?

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

No. Why do you concern yourself with what another man gets? Concentrate on yourself and don't compare yourself with others.

[–]oneprettycoolcat5 points6 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

If you want to say that someone who is actually attracted to you will treat you the same as someone you are paying, then you are severely divorced from reality.

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Which part of the word "no" don't you understand?

And again. You are living your own life, not somebody's else. So don't think about what others get, but about what you yourself can.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are dropping the real truth bombs here but incels don't wanna hear it.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Just wanted to make that clear. And it's important to me that women think because I am unfortunately a heterosexual male, so, that's pretty obvious.

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[–]oneprettycoolcat3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. That is how business transactions work. Why would I interact with a woman if I wasn't having sex with her?

And yet you rarely see women whining about this to the degree than incels do...

99% of women are only ever single or celibate by choice. That's a big difference.

In any case, I'm just pointing out the fallacy in saying "Ugly guys get married all the time!" as some sort of proof that women aren't shallow.

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[–]oneprettycoolcat4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because women understand the transactional nature of relationships, instead of holing up and getting depressed because they don't have a gaggle 6'5" muscular orbiters buying her diamonds. Which is effectively what incels do.

I see articles lamenting "WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD MEN GONE?" all the time. But yes, women are shallow. Men are shallow, too. The cultural narrative only says the latter, not the former.

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+1

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice10 points11 points  (132 children) | Copy Link

Username doesn't check out.

[–]changeIsTheWay 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I was optimistic originally but bones can’t be changed.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice5 points6 points  (121 children) | Copy Link

They don't need to be. You just need to bring something else to the party.

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[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t a truth bomb, it’s a bullshit bomb.

No one denies that height is attractive in men. That if there were two otherwise identical guys, one 5ft 3 and one 6ft 3, then the 6ft 3 guy will have an attractiveness advantage.

But it is only that, an attractiveness advantage. It’s not as said above....

The fact of the matter is a man who is 5' 4" will be considered with derision and disgust on approach (and well after it) almost universally by women anywhere the average height of men is considerably in excess of that

.... that’s just pure self serving defeatist bullshit.

Scurvemuch and Ercole are two posters here around 5ft 3 who do perfectly well. Who make up their height disadvantage in other ways that are also accessible to the short incels.

Everyone here knows guys this tall IRL that do fine with women.

I’ve even seen scientific research on female attraction to height which points out this is a serious factor for tall girls but height makes little difference to short girls.

No one is saying it isn’t a disadvantage, but every Male carries some disadvantage or other. It’s the view that this is an absolute bar that is bullshit. And the short arses don’t want to hear this, not because it isn’t true, but because this removes their excuse that their success isn’t their fault.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Derision and disgust? At 5’4”? No, that’s bog standard rejection. It’s not like he is a 4’4” dwarf.

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[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Look, your talking to an RP guy whose personal interests are all about Evo Psych and human instinctual attraction. I am well aware that the components of attractiveness are instinctive and not really subject to rational modification. I’m also perfectly well aware that women find height attractive. None of that is remotely controversial at all.

But the issue here is that incels present this as “women are just not attracted to short men” which is false. They are more attracted to tall men, or is true, but there are lots of other compensatory factors the incels ignore and that compensate for height, or are attractive in their own right.

Height is one fa tor of sexual attractiveness among about 20. And no man is attractive across all 20 things. Some have the height... but not the status. Some have facial aesthetics... but not dominance. Some have confidence... but not height. Etc etc.

Height is not uniquely prejudiced within this group (the RP alphatraits list). Just like any other component of alpha it’s attractive in its own right, but can be compensated for with other factors. A guy who is short but has 19 of the others in abundance will do fine. Just as a guy who has no status but the other 19 in abundance will do fine. Just like a guy with no social proof, but the other 19 in abundance will do fine etc etc.

Height is being used an excuse by short arse incels to not develop the other 19 because there is no point. And when, by so doing, they doom themselves to celibacy they do not say “See, because I have none of the 20 I’m unfuckable”.... they say “Waaaaah, it’s because I’m 5ft 3. Ignore all the rest of the things that make me unfuckable. It’s this one thing that is doing ALL of this.” And that is complete bullshit.

Short Doctors high in dominance and with good social proof do not have a problem getting laid.

Short drug dealers who ride a motorbike and get in fist fights don’t have a problem getting laid.

Short guitarists who play in garage bands and have confidence and game don’t have a problem getting laid.

HeightCels problem is not just their height (it’s a contributory factor, but not the only one).

Their problem is they are undateable fuckups who also happen to be short. And if they got tall they’d still be undateable fuckups as they get so much else wrong as well. Fixable stuff.

But fixable stuff that they never fix because they say it’s pointless to do fix, due to their height. And that’s nuts. If they fixed the other stuff their height would not hold them back.

Anymore than other guys are held back by the 1 alpha trait in 20 that THEY don’t have holds THEM back.

Height is not a silver billet. It’s one component among many.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay but since you are not a different person with a different life, what good does getting hung up on this crap do for you?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Literally nobody denies that women find height attractive. No one.

[–]darkmoon096 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Lol. Plenty of women (and men) deny that shit day in and day out.

[–]FalseBuddhaSomething borrowed, something Blue9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of people deny that it's the only thing it takes to be attractive.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, no.

I’ve seriously never seen anyone of either sex deny height in males is attractive to females.

It’s not controversial. Not round here. Not in the mainstream.

You just can’t take from this that “Therfore that means anyone under 5ft 10 is dooooooooomed” which is precisely what incels say about it. That we will argue with, because it’s clearly bullshit.... But no one denies that height is attractive.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well there are flat earthers as well. We all just know that they're nuts

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Firstly I an a man. Secondly nobody here is denying that it's easier for tall guys. Height is one of the factors that influence attractiveness. However it is just one of them and you can compensate for it by other means.

Just like some people are born with trust funds and have an easier time becoming wealthy some people are born better looking and have it easier. So fucking what? Life is not fair but you can still get what you want if you are willing to do what it takes. If you are not and just want to sit around and whine about somebody else having it easier then then I have no sympathy.

[–]changeIsTheWay 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Lol no.

It’s meaningless dude. Looks matters mostly entirely

[–]darkmoon0910 points11 points  (65 children) | Copy Link

Having less than stellar looks means you need to bring more to the table. Is it really that painful to develop?

[–]oneprettycoolcat6 points7 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

I think the point you're missing is that she'll never actually be sexually attracted to you, even if you bring more to the table and she actually bangs you. At that point it's just a business transaction.

[–]darkmoon094 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

If that's how it is then why not just make life easier on yourself by facing the music and paying for women upfront directly? That way you're being honest with yourself and you wouldn't have to deal with pretending that she likes you for you. At that point you're free to pursue the quality of life you desire once women no longer have that power over you.

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I don't have any desire to bang prostitutes.

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[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Wrong, plenty of woman are sexually attractive to men that are not that good looking.

How do you think ugly guys get one night stands? How do you think ugly guys have FWBs?

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Just because a woman has sex with you doesn't mean she's sexually attracted to you.

[–]alby3332 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well if you follow the school of thought that women only find 20% of men attractive then you are in the same boat as 80% of men.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I am. What about it?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]darkmoon092 points3 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

??

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Looks are personality

[–]ItsYough1234 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Of course looks matter, we all learnt that from an early age. What are you doing to meet women in real life though? What's your social circle like? Does it include women? Or are you a typical incel who doesn't have any social life and no real way of meeting women but think your problems are entirely due to looks?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I do.

Also most incels do have a social circle.

[–]ItsYough1236 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Most incels I've talked to seem to be severely lacking in any sort of social circle but I'm glad you're not.

So a Friday or Saturday night when you're all drinking together, what happens? Do your friends not try to get their friends at least somewhat interested in you?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't go out usually. Most of my friends are engineering nerds. But not all engineering nerds are incel. The unattractive ones are though.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Other incels who feed off each other in a poisonous circle jerk don't count

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Simply not true. Model looks are a shortcut. However the vast majority of people have to take the long road. I have enough life experience with guys who are successful with woman to say that looks and height don't stop you.

Take for example my short round pudgy faced friend that has a n count north of 40. Or another guy I know that comes up to my shoulders and went prematurely bald at 22 yet still manages to fuck more woman than most guys can shake a dick at.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You all say that on forums but it’s usually lies

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well if you ever take a trip to Chile I'll prove you wrong.

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[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are all y’all even trying with this guy he admitted numerous times he hasn’t even tried asking women out. At all.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like playing the lottery you might not win anything 99.999% of the time but there is always the possibility that you might hit the jackpot and get someone to radically improve their life.

But mostly it's the whole "someone is wrong on the internet" thing.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you are going to ignore all the rest of the research and the hundreds of other studies that have been done to just focus on the one that tells you what you want to hear.

You are deciding to fail.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol you must be trolling.

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Just for the hell of it, look up Korean 2 Jaw Surgery sometime.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I know. I’m looking into plastic surgery. It’s painstaking and maybe even if I have a handsome face my height will break it

[–]frogsgoribbit7371 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your height won't break it. As someone who has dated short men (including a guy shorter than you), it doesn't matter as much as you think. Yes, taller men will get more women, but that doesn't mean short men will get none. It's a ridiculous thought process.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want "lots of women" but more so stable relationships at a given time.

I don't think they were ugly. Hence why I'm still going on with my procedures.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't get plastic surgery. Just go meet lots of women and ask lots of them out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And get rejected by all of them?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I really don't think you guys realize just how much work some of us have put in to meeting women, dating women, and finding that special someone from somewhere. Or how many times we have been rejected.

It's a lot. For both of those things. A lot

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You think its effort. But its actually looks

[–]darkmoon098 points9 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps. Then that's a feature of the male experience that people (society) will need to learn to accept. There will always be losers simply becuase it's just not possible for everyone to be a winner.

Regardless, at the end of the day individual guys' are in control of their own lives and they can consciously choose to find ways to improve their lives that may not always involve the unending quest to be the ultimate pussy slayer.

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The problem is that society lies to men. That’s what creates anger and backlash when most incels learn that heard truth in one shot and can’t brace for it.

Also problem is that sexual success is an exponential curve. It’s not linear. So some people get literally nothing while others get exponentially more.

[–]darkmoon093 points4 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that society lies to men. That’s what creates anger and backlash when most incels learn that heard truth in one shot and can’t brace for it.

An honest question, do you think men would be better off if society was being brutally honest with them? That women largely don't care for 'niceness', that men are largely disposable, that they offer little value, that men have to exert effort to generate attraction, and that even then nothing is guaranteed and there's still a good possiblity that they'll come up short at the end of day even after putting in effort?

Do you think men collectively would be better off if they were hearing this from the get-go.

Also problem is that sexual success is an exponential curve. It’s not linear. So some people get literally nothing while others get exponentially more.

Life's a bitch. Or to be more specific in this case biology and modern gender dynamics are a huge bitch. Again, men are the disposable sex, so men are going to be the ones bearing the brunt when it comes to who lives a lonely sexually frustrating life and who doesn't.

It fucking sucks, I know. But i just don't see how anyone can somehow rectify it without infringing on women's right to choose their mates.

I really don't know of any large/collective solution, but again I'll ask you: would men be better off if this were all told to them on day one? I only see men becoming even more angry and depressed from that.

[–]oneprettycoolcat9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

An honest question, do you think men would be better off if society was being brutally honest with them? That women largely don't care for 'niceness', that men are largely disposable, that they offer little value, that men have to exert effort to generate attraction, and that even then nothing is guaranteed and there's still a good possiblity that they'll come up short at the end of day even after putting in effort?

Yes. Shittiness becomes tolerable if you deal with it long enough. False hope inevitably involves losing it, and that's even more painful.

[–]darkmoon091 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I suppose. A part of me still thinks that guys would still be having a hard time digesting it even if society was being honest with them. It's just an unshakable shitty feeling knowing that you're unwanted and undesired by default. It's pretty much saying that your entire existence is shit and worthless.

[–]oneprettycoolcat2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I never said it was easy. I said it would be better.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Eh, I guess. There has to be a better alternative though instead of just telling guys that they're useless pieces of shit for being non-chadly.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nobodies drafting you for a war to make them money. You are free to rise by your own efforts. We have incredible technology and the poverty stricken today would be insanely wealthy only a few generations ago. Living better than kings.

Life is great these days.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sure quality of life has risen compared to generations past, but as you can see these issues that we discuss here still have a profound effect on someone's mental and emotional well being.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And it's nobody else's responsibility to take care of your emotional state. Seriously there are like no times throughout all of history when things have been this good and you've had this many opportunities. Turn that glass half empty into a glass half full and then find some ways to fill it up some more. Nobody else is going to do this for you

[–]darkmoon091 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And it's nobody else's responsibility to take care of your emotional state

Never said it was. Quit putting words in my mouth.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When the incels come around, if nothing else, I get to upvote blue pillers.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes it would. No men would not. From a young age if they are taught it.

[–]darkmoon092 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You're saying men wouldn't be struggling as much if they were told the brutal truth from the beginning? I'm skeptical of that claim but I'm all ears.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They would struggle but would come to terms with it young

[–]darkmoon093 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I suppose, but a part of me thinks they would still be depressed wrecks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes but to terms with it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As an incel I think telling men straight up that they are ugly and will probably never be loved by a woman would make life a lot better. I think it's better to never have any hope than to have hope just for it to be crushed when you realize that you will never be up to anyone else's standards.

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Society didn't lie to you. Your parents did. Don't blame me for what your parents did. Also if you have no success and I have any success this isn't exponential, it's infinite. I have infinite more success than you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My parents didn't tell my anything with the "bee yourself."

Also, my parents had an arranged marriage, but were open to me dating. But they said that they aren't of much help so good luck.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You should go get an arranged marriage

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want that though.

[–]pinkgoldrose6 points7 points  (55 children) | Copy Link

If you truly believe it's genetic, just move to another area where your genes will pass. Where I live men are drowning in pussy and those who wish to marry get breadwinner wives easily.

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[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Cause life is about compromises...? For everybody, Chad, Becky, Helga and Hebert. Some have to sacrifice and compromise more than others, I'll totally allow that, but deciding something is wrong with the world cause you DON'T want to compromise is on you to come to terms with, not the world to fix itself to please you.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

"It's just equal" is another part of it. I don't perceive it as equal and this is why I discuss it.

Women and feminist fought and are still fighting for what they feel like is unacceptable compromises while men don't have to do the same kind of compromises. And I understand that.

But men's unacceptable compromises are just going to be brushed off because others have problem too. This is a fallacy.

[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You're.... Not fighting, though. I mean, more power to you, but you are an internet warrior who's bitching about men getting a raw deal. Don't self-aggrandize. I never said equal.

Did you miss the lesson in grade school about Life is not Fair? It's just not. Somebody always gonna have it easier of harder. That's all irrelevant, though, compared to this-

You are not doing anything other than whining about how men have it worse and demanding the world change to fit your preferences. How in ANY way is that Alpha behavior, what's so magnificent about you that you'd like to rewrite the universal Code for female sexuality to benefit you?

Look, maybe you missed the lesson: in life, youre given a series of demographic cards that dictate how your life will go: race, height, gender, sexual orientation, etc. It's ON YOU to play with the hand you're given.

[–]Dweller_of_the_Abyss3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So the next time you and your ilk want to preach Women are People™, just remember this post.

[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've no idea what you mean by that. Of course we're people... Men are people too...? And Blacks and Asians! Gays and straights!

Doesn't mean we're all given the same cards to play in life.

[–]Dweller_of_the_Abyss2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You basically told homeboy to shut up and don't complain. So the next time you feel objectified and derided, follow your own advice.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In a perfect world I should be MRA... Oh no that doesn't work, this movement is buried down because it's apparently misogynist. :p

But nowhere in my comment I said I estimate myself as a warrior or something...? Your answer is weird to me.

Still, sharpening my perception, having other people listening to my POV and me listening to their pov is good enough to me. I'll just do my best to raise my newborn son with all the tools he needs to have a comfortable social life.

Did you miss the lesson in grade school about Life is not Fair? It's just not.

So we should just all shut the fuck up and accept that life is unfair while another group constantly complains and get their environment to change for them? Come on, don't be an hypocrite.

They even want lessons in school to tell men "not to rape". ;)

[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok, maybe you've missed this in your time online, but WOMAN does not directly equivocate to RABID FEMINIST.

Aside from my time spent on PPD and in pill-related subs for an hour or two a day, I give only a passing thought to anything related to SJWism or gender dynamics, and that's the case for MOST NORMAL FUNCTIONAL PEOPLE. I mean, you want to talk about it, sure, there's a lot of interesting and perhaps productive conversations to be had on how to fix societal problems for men, women, blacks, whites, asians, whatever, but I really think you're suffering from confirmation bias with this whole woman thing. Also, to direct it back to your original comment I replied to:

Why do you think not wanting to sacrifice everything for something else to get better is not wanting to improve? Why is it ok for you to want your environment to change for you but others shouldn't expect that?

It's ok to WANT those things. I WANT world peace and a job for every person and healthcare and freedom to have any gun you want and all sorts of other beautiful things cause FREEDOM and MURICA and shit, but there's some big differences between yours and my approach to it, and why I think mine is better:

  1. I don't think people are shitty or batshit if they think differently than me. Some people DON'T LIKE guns cause their brother's sister-in-law's aunt's kid got killed in a gangfight. That's a perfectly justifiable reason for thinking a certain way about them that differs from my own views and experience. Doesn't mean they're Hilary Clinton incarnate.

  2. Everything in your comments we've exchanged seems to suggest that the WORLD needs to change to accommodate YOUR views in order for you to be happy. Regardless of who you are and what you want, that will never happen, and you're stuck in this circle of frustration cause you appear to be so focused on things that reinforce only your narrative. Man, there's SO MANY ways of looking at the world's problems, why are you choosing to focus on the ones that make you feel shitty? What gives you the authoritative right to decide ALL WOMEN EVERYWHERE are just shitty people and they should be required to change their ways? Most folks of every variety are just tryin' to get by.

  3. Let me preface this point by stating this is not a direct argument against AWALT. Sure, women are all similar in some regards. HOWEVER. You seem to assume all women think all men are rapists or that all women are rabid feminists or all women are on some hell-bent crusade to believe men should suffer. I see it in your comments to me--yeah, I've got boobs, but I'm not a feminist. I don't really care about campus rape issues. I don't really complain much about my life aside from "Man, I had a shit day." I certainly don't want or expect the entire population of men to change their lives to benefit me, as you seem to believe all women do. And....I'm pretty fuckin' average. Most of the women I interact with share those qualities--and I even live in a college town. Most of us just can't be arsed to take up the Feminist Torch or whatever cause we're too concerned with just paying bills and taking care of our cats/dogs/kids/friends/so's, what have you. I'm not saying AWALT isn't a thing, I'm saying OP, you should probably stop this weird projection of YOUR VIEWS onto ALL WOMEN ERRWHERE. Cause most of us honestly don't worry about big-life stuff like that cause our small-life stuff takes up so much of our time.

Maybe try cutting out the word "should" from your comments here. "Should" is a moral argument, not a practical or realistic one. To say someone SHOULD do something means they need to change their behavior, and a lot of times it requires a great deal of motivation to get entire demographs to do so. If you looked at the world as it IS and not what it ISN'T, and REALLY TRIED to hold back projecting the beliefs that every woman is out to make men suffer, you might not hate the world AS IT IS quite so much.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really think you're suffering from confirmation bias with this whole woman thing. Also, to direct it back to your original comment I replied to

That is what I think of everyone who think I suffer from confirmation bias. It is difficult to tell who is right and who is wrong.

You think I consider every women to be like crazy feminists, I think everyone spread the point of view of their own gender, except men who often do spread female POV. This is why I see the society as mainly female oriented.

In the end this is about understanding the nuances. You think I consider that all women spread words such as "all men should die" or other obvious things. But it's not obvious. It is an accumulation, like cold approach, they aren't a problem if it's an isolate case, it becomes one when you're constantly being cold approached. Well, how I see thing is basically an accumulation of messages such as "this should change for women's sake" and "men should adapt if they're struggling".

I don't think people are shitty or batshit if they think differently than me.

I hope this isn't the impression I gave you. If it's the case, then I'm sorry. But generally that is the treatment I am given. People do not apply logic, people apply feelings, my logic doesn't check with their feelings, they brush my point of view off and label it deviant and irrelevant.

Everything in your comments we've exchanged seems to suggest that the WORLD needs to change to accommodate YOUR views in order for you to be happy.

Let's define me as monoromantic polysexual. At 20 I was fairly convinced I was a deviant and I had to hide myself. But as I grew old, I asked several men, and even the least sexual all eventually showed me they work just like that. Lot of men are not polysexual by choice or by constraint, but by human nature they are completely polysexual. You can still claim this is a confirmation bias, but you can't deny that, if NAMALT, then Enough Men Are Like That anyway, you have proof everywhere.

Man, there's SO MANY ways of looking at the world's problems, why are you choosing to focus on the ones that make you feel shitty?

You're thinking my life is my comments on reddit. That's not the case.

What gives you the authoritative right to decide ALL WOMEN EVERYWHERE are just shitty people and they should be required to change their ways? Most folks of every variety are just tryin' to get by.

My comments were about toxic masculinity, which is spread by everyone. So I don't know why you say that.

You seem to assume all women think all men are rapists or that all women are rabid feminists or all women are on some hell-bent crusade to believe men should suffer.

I have a more varied view on how women think. The best I've seen are women on PPD who understand how men work and what they have to go through. But even though they're very open minded and have seen lot of different points of views, they still hardly understand from where most incels/socially inapt men come from. Most women here still do think men live in the "rapist/pushy" extrema of sexual behaviour, and see TRP as potentially making it worst.

The two extrema of men's sexual behaviour is "extremely open" to "extremely closed", the goal is to be in the middle. The extremely closed feels like totally unknown, and people who never lived it do not understand what are the causes of such behaviour. These extremely closed men need TRP.

Apex fallacy on men is still very common in here. So, just imagine what it looks like outside where people are less open minded, more psycho rigid.

I know everything looks like my word vs their word. I can't help myself to be confident about what I see, everything showed myself in other domains that I have better perception than others, and that I spend more time watching and thinking than others. I don't think I'm lacking empathy that much because I can understand most feelings of the other gender, while every woman I talk to seems unable to relate to any of mines. I've been raised by women, I've seen them, I've been told to act like them, to think like them. I've been a friendless, a friendzoned, an orbiter, an incel, a try hard, a seductor, a boyfriend, an husband, a complete jerk, a submissive nice person. I've learned to get into women's skin to understand what was wrong with me. I've been in most men's skin and can relate to most men's feelings. How can I believe I have a bias, when other women do not show any hint of understanding for men and do not have any incentive to understand them, to change, or anything? Most of what women serve me is always "women are perfect, men have to adapt" kind of agenda. I'm not talking about women who are mean, who are feminazi, I'm talking about normal women who act like men owe them.

But how would you know yourself? You don't notice these things, they seem normal to you.

Now, sure, I don't know you, maybe you're a very reasonable person. And if you are then I would appreciate to talk more with you. Maybe you'll challenge my view (yes it happens), but sometimes there needs to be more details for that.

[–]Butt-Factory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are any sacrifices unreasonable if the only alternative is apparently suicide?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where I live men are drowning in pussy and those who wish to marry get breadwinner wives easily.

I highly highly doubt that. I doubt that is even in NYC where women outnumber men and noticeably so.

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Either she's being sarcastic or she actually believes her ridiculous exaggerations.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Giving her posting history I say she believes it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

Lol.

I’m not moving to a country just to have essentially a long term escort

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

If you move to India and make Western money you'll be a top 20% chadmeister.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

chadmeister.

Haha, nice!

[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Careful, your German is showing....lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

My real-life nickname that my friends gave me when I was younger actually was the english version of my name plus "-meister", lol. : )

Damn you, American Pie movies. No wait...it was an awesome nickname.

I try to bring up that I am german from time to time because it seems relevant. Many posters have pointed out that many german men are even more emasculated than men in other countries and that dating dynamics here are slightly different.

[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Man, location is SUCH a big part of the SMP. America is BIG. Politics, culture, and values vary so much. I live in a middle-American college town with scads of cheap, drunk college pussy. Demographically speaking, we also have more dating-aged women then men so the availability of men is just miniscule.

Part of the reason I stopped dating was that 35+ yo men in my area have no motivation to get hitched and have kids cause they're still getting laid. I'm passingly attractive but I want kids and family, there's just no men who want it cause things are good for them. Can't blame them, dudes gonna dude.

It's a total reversal of what I've seen described on the California coast, where a lot of TRPrs and Incels post from. Even chubby nerds do alright here. They're not swimming in pussy, but they can find a 4 or 5 to clean up after them and give them sex on a semi-frequent basis.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right?! @differences

It's interesting to hear.

So once men have an abundance mentality, they don't seem to be as morally superior anymore...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy Link

I don't want a long term escort. I can "land" an HB9 literally via wealth but I don't want that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That's not how women work. Sure there are gold diggers, but if you moved to India with some skills you would be much higher in the SMP. Not a lot of 6' 3" white guys with blue eyes around to compete with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Skills don't matter. Sexual attraction does lol.

There are Indian chads I'll have to compete with.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Your defeatism is incredibly unattractive. So I'm out.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I can "land" an HB9 literally via wealth but I don't want that.

So how does it feel to be a vocel?

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

volcel confirmed

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Unlike some other people here, I don't mind if incels come here and talk about their experiences. Their perspective can be unique and interesting. However, thinking of your own mental health, wouldn't it be better to just forget women and commit to a MGTOW lifestyle, if there is truly nothing you can do to change your situation? It seems like ruminating over something so depressing and unchangeable is just torturing yourself for no reason.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Occasionally you get distracted by something and stop thinking about your situation for a moment, correct? The thoughts may always come back, but occasionally you will get a temporary reprieve from the pain.

Well there are techniques from cognitive behavioral psychology that can help train your brain to do this more often. There may always be some lingering background noise, but you can minimize this so that it becomes tolerable.

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I've been only thinking about this for the last 6 months. Nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes even spend 8 hours in a shot thinking about it.

I mean, my life is boring.

A lot of my hard classes, they suck. Yes. But I realize how my classmates can get through them... by having an SO who cares for them and sex also being a release.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes even spend 8 hours in a shot thinking about it.

Imagine if you had a friend that followed you around for 8 hours and said things like "You are ugly. You will never find love. You are worthless." This would be a horrible, cruel friend right? Yet this is what you are doing to yourself by ruminating about these things. You may not be able to change your situation, but you can stop torturing yourself by continually self depreciating yourself.

Will you do me a huge favor? Could you message me every day for a week and tell me 5 things that you did that made you feel a little better about yourself? It could be something as small as brushing your teeth or getting out of bed in the morning. If you do this for a week I promise I'll give you reddit gold at the end.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What is there to be happy about? I’m envious dude. Envious of "normal” people.

I can pm you those things. Gold isn’t needed. But yeah

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What did you do today? Start from the beginning and give me all the details. (You can move this to pm if you want)

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

It really sucks and is unfair how through no fault of their own, some people are just born being aesthetically unpleasing to the eye and have to deal with social isolation and rejection because of this. I can imagine it would be like being born without a mouth but still experiencing normal human hunger.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Yup.

People don't understand how one can be lonely while still talking to actual human beings.

I guess that's where the "you need to leave the house" comes from. Lack of understanding.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It is hard to imagine fully, but I remember when I was young thinking "What if no one will ever love me?" and this was a terrifying thought. I imagine it would get more and more terrifying as you get older and still not one person is willing to accept you. I hate that nice people like yourself have to live with this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't worried just 3 years ago at 18. But I'm 21. College will end, and it will be harder and worse and then it hit me.

And what's sad is that this is all like a resume. When you're in your teens things like awkward romance (kissing wise and even bad sex) is cute, funny, and acceptable. When you're all grown up, its expected that you might even have a decade of experience from that standpoint. I have "no experience" on my resume and lets say I stay this way to 30, women will expect that I'm matured relationships wise and I know how they work. So its even harder then.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The line between "talking about your life and trying to understand what's wrong" and "complain and cry and woe is me" is very thin..... Especially for men...

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't like it. I'd prefer their get their own subreddit.

Frankly, I found them funnier than TRP too.

[–]BeyondTheLight3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their automod is great yeah haha.

[–]pinkgoldrose8 points9 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Deleted from reddit?

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun9 points10 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Yeah by the reddit admins. It was for violations of the site's policy on violent content.

[–]pinkgoldrose5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well any legit nerd has a private server. They can host their own forum. Make it incels.com.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh it already exists. The Lookism and Sluthate forums (spinoffs of the old PUA Hate forums) are super similar to /r/Incels.

But off-site forums don't have access to reddit's huge userbase/audience to spread their message. So people like to come here.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Did Voat ever take off?

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think so. But not 100% sure.

Did you ever read any of the comments there? The users were hilariously unbalanced. I can't imagine anyone other than the most extreme autists being able to handle it.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I went there once a year or two ago. Can't even remember what it was like.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. But its not dead either. To put it one way Reddit is Youtube and Voat is Vimeo.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It took off with the alt-right and no one else. Incels would be well at home there.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

These guys are nuts. They routinely threaten to go on violent murder rampages if we don't go fix all their problems for them.

[–]WavesAcross0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Do you think they are actually going to do it? If not then why does it matter?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Elliot Rodger did.

And I bet no one initially took him seriously either.

[–]WavesAcross3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

  1. The people who didn't take him seriously were the cops who his parents called on him. If you want to complain about people not taking him seriously, look to law enforcement.

  2. He was one person who wasn't even around when the subreddit was created.

  3. Even if we count him as part of the group, its still not representative of them as a whole, to put in perspective a random white man is just barely more likely to be a murder than an incel.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with you they aren’t dangerous, they are still nuts though with the shit they say.

[–]WavesAcross1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully the good mods around here will start banning them as well. For now I'm just going to start blocking them.

[–]WavesAcross1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You never fail to impress with your inability to support your arguments.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

God. They have already started. Well I'm gonna go play video games with my wife. Hopefully by tomorrow the good mods around here will have most of them banned

[–]Ultramegasaurus7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Guess MGTOW or Mensrights is next in a year or so.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Looking forward to the day TwoX gets purged as well.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't kid yourself.

[–]Grizzlybear_NobilityBlue Pill Woman4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Two x is mostly open letters about almost sexual assault, and abortion experiences, at least the ones that get the most traction. I like them. While I can see how they might come off as a bit overreaching to others, when it comes down to it, they're vocal. Not violent, and not promoting violence.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

about almost sexual assault

You win ten thousand Internets. I know you didn't mean it as a joke, and it's not comedy gold in general (I mean the fact that such events happen), but that was totally on point.

[–]Ultramegasaurus9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Never gonna happen. They have vaginas

[–]stone_opera8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol what? Have you been on Twox? It's just men telling women how to feel about women's issues.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I haven’t spent much time there but what exactly is the issue with that sub?

Most I’ve seen is like some news articles about abortion regulations and whatnot

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't actually know what people's issues are with TwoX, minus the debacle around it being added to /all.

If people don't like TwoX for feminism/SJWness, SRS sounds like it'd be up first.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because it's a default sub on a site with a majority male userbase. And the admins only made them a default for tokenism purposes pretty much. "Look everyone we're not a basement dwelling boys club we have wimminz!"

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They have vaginas

(in there somewhere)

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mensrights as long as it says pretty much how it is now won't be banned. MGTOW on the other hand may. If they ban Mensrights there be a huge shit storm if they don't ban other subs like SRS or Anarchism.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

The place was filled with people celebrating mass murderers and massacres, justifications for pedophilia and rape, blatant racism and other unseemly shit.

As someone who posted there, I think there's a case to be made for a subreddit dedicated to men who feel like they're at the bottom of the barrel dating-wise. But the incels subreddit wasn't that place.

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep.. an edgelord troll sub .. promoting suicide and depression too...

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm an incel. Or, at least, I used to post there.

So no, I don't believe all incels are racist, sexist, etc. But it's undeniable that the subreddit was filled with that kind of shit. People had Nazi and pro-Elliot Rodgers messages in their flairs for fuck's sake.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you aware of what jokes are? They may be dark jokes, but it doesnt mean they actually believe them.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪2 points3 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Do you think the content of the incels subs was invisible?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy Link

No, and it was certainly controversial, but people ARE 100% purposefully spreading misinformation.

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Are they actually? What do inside jokes look like to outsiders, do tell.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

"Being under 6'4 is COPE"

""Just get a shower bro. Just get a haircut. Just be confident" accompanied by a picture of an ugly guy."

"white sharia when"

"roasties BTFO"

"st elliot"

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

You know that's not the content most people had problems with maybe minus st. elliot. (... also maybe the roasties comment, I have no idea what that actually means and I don't know if other outsiders would either).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

Please tell\show me what kind of content most people DID have problems with.

For what it's worth, people obviously DO know that murder is wrong. They arent saying "st elliot" because he murdered people, but because in his manifesto he talks about somewhat relatable topics.

Also he murdered 4 MEN and 2 women. If anything, he'd be a MISANDRIST because of that.

roasties comment, I have no idea what that actually means

I'll explain, but you have to keep an open mind lol.

You know how women (and men) insult men for their penis size, and shame some men for being virgins? Well, some women's vaginas\lips are very loose and\or saggy. Their genitals resemble "roast beef", hence the name.

Now, the interesting thing isnt that incels even seriously believe this, it's that 1) some women assume this is from being promiscuous, and 2) how absolutely NUCLEAR offended some women get. I mean, I'll probably get mass downvoted myself and I'm just EXPLAINING it.

It's absolutely hypocritical. You'll see someone talk about "lmao small penis boy, no woman wants you" and everyone laughs, but then he says "lmao loose vagina, you're promiscuous" and EVERYBODY absolutely loses their minds and mass downvotes that guy.

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Stuff that other people have complained about (I never bothered reading r/incels):

Comments about enslaving women into sex camps

Comments about raping women

In effect elliot did kill more men than women, but you can't say that his motivation didn't stem from a kind of misogyny - it was right in his manifesto. (Unless there's something I'm missing)

Oh. Yeah that goes over my head, but who knows how popular of slang that is. Also I'm not sure that it's necessarily the same groups getting offended and using virgin/small dick also an insult. As another aside, the aesthetics of a vagina isn't going to really be impacted by how many men a woman's had sex with, so that's also just wrong...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Comments about enslaving women into sex camps

Pure bullshit misinformation. They make things up so to people with no knowledge of incels, they seem like super bad evil people.

Comments about raping women

You know how tumblrettes have an obsession with rape? Like "stare-rape" or "neglect-rape"? This is the same thing. Only a tumblrette-like person would project so many sex\rape accusations on someone they dont like.

In effect elliot did kill more men than women, but you can't say that his motivation didn't stem from a kind of misogyny

I dont know if it was actual misogyny or just him being pissed off at how women act. Regardless, going "THEY WORSHIP A WOMAN-KILLER" is definitely an incorrect accusation.

Plus, a lot of people are very touchy and, if the person being criticized is a woman, they'll automatically think "misogyny", even if that has nothing to do with the fact that the person is a woman.

Also I'm not sure that it's necessarily the same groups getting offended and using virgin/small dick also an insult.

Well, regardless, it's still very hypocritical of reddit\society in general, no?

Short guy, small dick, virgin? "haha, make fun of the loser!"

Fat woman, loose vagina, slutty? "OMG YOU HORRIBLE MISOGYNIST RAPIST!!!"

A bit of a double standard eh.

As another aside, the aesthetics of a vagina isn't going to really be impacted by how many men a woman's had sex with, so that's also just wrong...

See, that's not even the point. Whether that's true or not, it's completely irrelevant, given how absolutely BATSHIT insane they go whenever someone brings that up.

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Also, most people are going to find it weird to see reverence of a guy like elliot, without context like that. Like I said, what does an inside joke look like to outsiders?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

most people are going to find it weird to see reverence of a guy like elliot, without context like that

Well then they shouldnt assume things. They should learn about the community before they make accusations.

"Lurk moar".

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL43 points44 points  (173 children) | Copy Link

When you ban discourse, you don't make the problem go away, you push people into more extreme positions.

You're literally making the problem worse. All the banning of incels did was prove their point about how they are oppressed.

incels are victims. Plain and simple, it is no different than going to the bipolar subreddit and banning them because they sometimes exhibit the behavior of being bipolar.

Women cause them pain and it wasn't them who fired the first shot. It was being ostracized by society as children and the people they cared for.

People just throw up the handwaving solution of "work harder to improve yourself!"

It is no different than rich people telling poor people to "get a job!".

Telling people who are oppressed in our society, "there is no more racism today!"

All reddit did today was confirm their beliefs and made the problem worse.

Incels need empathy and help. Real help, not handwaving solutions. Turning them away just leads to reinforcement of their beliefs.

It's easier to remove the problem from our view than it is to confront the problem.

When you try to silence them, ignore them, and oppress them, that is when they pick up the gun, vote Trump, or pick up the tiki torch. You are cornering a sick rat and getting surprised when they bite you.

[–]darkmoon0911 points12 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

What practical, realistic help could society give these men? At the end of the day it's up to each individual person on planet Earth to take control of their own lives.

[–]mgtownigga13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

the fact that we cannot even discuss the issues plaguing these types of men is a problem, and a greater problem is the fact that they're actively derided, demonized, and thrown under the bus constantly. It's as if society hopes they all just go quietly into the dark night, but as we all unfortunately know, a lot of them lash out, injuring and/or killing people in the process.

I don't have any easy answers, but an honest discussion of the issues facing these men and a bit of sympathy would be a goddamn start. You can't just exclude people from the social contract and expect things to remain peaceful

[–]Ultramegasaurus9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where are incels lashing out? Seriously, you're conflating several groups of men together for no reason.

The vast majority of mass shooters aren't incel. Texas shooter was married. Las Vegas shooter married twice. NYC driver married. Orlando shooter married twice.

Even fucking Elliot Rodger would be called a mentalcel on /r/incels for being a decent-looking and rich sperglord. 4 out of 6 kills were males, all of whom looked ugly enough to be incel themselves. He wouldn't fit in the sub yet is the closest (and only!) thing incels have to a mass shooter.

And if we talk about dangerous to women, typical thugs, who have ZERO problems getting women, are a lot more dangerous than some incels on an online forum. During the time it takes a Bluepiller to denounce guys like this as violent serial killers, a guy like this has probably hurt or even killed another woman in the US.

When it comes to real violence, incels are nothing to be scared of.

It's just pure hate of unattractive men and nothing else.

[–]mgtownigga1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe incel was the wrong term, but I think they fall under the general umbrella of disaffected, socially alienated, and frustrated young men.

Focusing on their lack of sex is kind of missing the point, because they're lacking a lot more than that most of the time

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When they aren't even trying to help themselves but demand others to fix things to their liking of course people are going to react as such.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are excluding themselves.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That isn't true. You wouldn't say the same thing about racism would you?

What practical, realistic help could society give to black people(women, poor)? At the end of the day it's up to each individual person on planet Earth to take control of their own lives.

[–]darkmoon094 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being discriminated against becuase of your race or socioeconomic status isn't quite the same as being unable to find sexual partners. People look at the latter and think "seriously? C'mon. Get over yourself".

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]washington_breadstixM'gtow1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is up to each individual person.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disagree. We as a society need to make things better for the disadvantaged.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd agree with that sentiment too though.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

What practical, realistic help could society give these men?

Therapy for one. These men think all to life there is is sex and sex alone. Until they learn its not and that ya not everyone is going to be a winner the better of they be. But really they want to be help and more so seek help. The lot of them don't want help unless its forcing women to do their bidding.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sex isn't everything to life, but it's still considered to be fundamental human need according the Maslow's heriachy of needs. It's a key factor to being mentally and emotionally healthy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

And we should care about Maslow's hierarchy of needs why exactly? If you think its a key factor in being mentally and emotionally healthy then you do think its everything.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's what psych professors/experts say is vital to mental and emotional health. That's why you should care about it. I didn't make up those rules.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's what psych professors/experts say is vital to mental and emotional health.

One source. Two what quaks say is well a grain of salt.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

its not just one source. It's a school of thought that's taught in colleges. I don't see how you can dismiss that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If its not just one source then you can easily link things to support it.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't need to link any source. It's all around you and taught college academia.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Incels need empathy and help. Real help, not handwaving solutions.

They don't want to be helped unless that help takes the form of a willing HB10 appearing in their basements and saying "I am for you".

Any kind of help that requires them to get off their asses and actually DO something is not something they are willing to do.

And whiney losers who won't ACT don't garner sympathy.

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The toxic masculinity is why they became incels and why they're kept incels.

This is something men need to fix.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Women, they hold zero responsibility.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I will take responsibility for driving the interests of women. I see no need to do the work men are unwilling to do for themselves.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Which is fine, but this incel thing (for lack of better phrasing) isn't totally on men. Yes men are the ones whining here and do need to help themselves, but nothing will improve unless women change as well.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How do you invision women should change?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For one take responsibility for their actions. But in general women need to change how they treat and view men. There's really no one thing really.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women also reward masculinity. I rarely see a guy who is effeminate, weak and short be treated as a sex symbol by women compared to a masculine, stronger, taller counterpart.

Once women reward men who aren't as masculine, then you will see toxic masculinity disappear.

[–]todayismanday1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Society as a whole needs to change. But usually women actually campaign for their rights, political change, etc. I don't see men campaigning for male victims of rape, domestic violence, emotional neglect, unless it's to derail a discussion about women's rights. Get organized, people. Meanwhile, I'm fighting for women and LGBT rights, and in an individual level, you bet I prefer effeminate men than bulky dudes

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you will see~~ toxic~~ masculinity disappear.

Fix it for ya. Masculinity itself isn't toxic.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a mistake to think that this is something only men can do something about. Toxic masculinity is spread by everyone.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am very often irritated when I talk here about disadvantages of being a man, my statements are brushed off and labelled "whiny", or ignored because men have a debt to women, virtual privileges or I don't know what.

Yes, "whiny" is the term that we get. Incels get "bitter". And "bitter" means: "anything you say is automatically irrelevant."

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, classic fallacy.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I'm called a whiner, all that does tell me I'm going in the right direction.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

From what I’ve heard when people have gone to their spaces and tried to show them sympathy they get shit on so why fucking bother?

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I, like, have posted 2 comment on this subreddit I think? I don't think I've tried to be helpful, but I wasn't receiving that much negative answer.

It's clear that if all my life I'm told "just be nice" "just be confident" and then I'm an incel, and then people tell me again "just be nice and confident" I'll be seriously pissed. Maybe we don't know how to reach them...

Though people under depression are not reasonable and if they don't want to help themselves, nothing can be done. Just like beggars refusing to seek a job and a place to live but willing to take the money of strangers...

[–]decoy88Black Male in London2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and gigantic effort is unreasonable for the reward.

If that's the case then why so much anguish over the lack of it?

[–]ItsYough1234 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've done what you think should be done many times only to get abuse shouted back at me. I've told them I know it's going to be harder for them than the average guy and have given them great advice but they don't want to hear it. Most people giving them advice do so out of the kindness of their heart but they get nothing but abuse back. This is when people start to get fed up with them. Only a tiny minority outright portrays them like how you did with your second statement. Most give very nuanced views and tell the incel they know it isn't easy for them. The trouble is the incel doesn't want to do anything to increase the chances of success. It much easier to say chad gets all the girls and there's no point in even trying. They just want to vent. The vast majority of them have very black and white views on everything. You can make some great arguments for them to better themselves but they usually don't want to hear it.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As you said they want to vent, it's internet... But an outright "I agree the problem is real" calm anyone the fuck down and put them in your side. What you tell them is registered no matter what, and you don't know how much it reshape them.

I may make a post tomorrow on /r/askTRP askPPD /r/relationships or I dunno, to know how to handle my relationship's problems, I'll vent a lot and complain that no solution will work, but I'll still try to apply what is said, even unconsciously, I know I work like that, I know lot of people prefer to never admit their fault but will show it in their behaviour.

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/r/asktrp is just going to tell you be alpha and /r/relationships will likely blame you and say everything's your fault. Either way your screwed.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but with a bit more details. :P

I guess relationships will tell me to talk about it to her. While trp will tell me she's loosing attraction and I need to improve.

Both aren't wrong though.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve heard the same exact shit: people trying to show them some sympathy only to be abused. Fuck that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am very often irritated when I talk here about disadvantages of being a man, my statements are brushed off and labelled "whiny", or ignored because men have a debt to women, virtual privileges or I don't know what.

Best to get use to it as this isn't going to change for quite some time.

The toxic masculinity is why they became incels and why they're kept incels.

Even tho its not and has nothing to do here. Its much more how men are raised and that treated that is the issue than anything else.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of incels would be satisfied with a single mom let alone a HB10. You know one who had her Chad abandon her.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

lol. They are not oppressed nor are they victims nor are they entitled to help especially then they don't do jack for themselves.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just world fallacy. Many incels have tired to improve and have had no result. Most people just say "try harder" without wanting to discuss the real issues.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There's no word fallacy here. I really doubt many incels have tired to improved really.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

have you asked them?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would I? Actions speak louder than words.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer15 points16 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The ban is not about oppressing involuntary celibate communities, the ban is about reddit controlling the content they want to host on their Web Site, which is perfectly fine. If it was actually about trying to oppress or silence the opinions of involuntary celibacy, those subreddits would have been gone a long time ago, there was posts advocating rape, violence and a whole menagerie of abhorrent content.

It's easier to remove the problem from our view than it is to confront the problem

It is also easier to write a virtue signalling reddit comment and make a flair saying "incel advocate" than it is actually attempting to do anything that requires you to personally sacrifice time or resources to do anything about this "problem". You have most likely done as much too help involuntary celibates as many other users on reddit, which is effectively nothing.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've always been socioeconomically poor.I haven't had an income in 10 years. I'm doing what I can to help, and that is raising awareness of the problem. I do sacrifice time, you can see my posts here. I'm writing this now instead of going out to see Thor.

They don't have a lot of people advocating for them.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All at the same time putting the blame on women as if we deliberately aim to create and abuse incels for no reason at all...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The ban is not about oppressing involuntary celibate communities, the ban is about reddit controlling the content they want to host on their Web Site, which is perfectly fine.

It is, but its also pushing their ever liberal/feminist agenda. Which is fine to but I wish the admins just say it outright. As they only banned one left wing sub all other subs have been right wing. This is despite various left wing subs break reddit's rules left and right.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If they were trying to push liberal/feminist agendas then r/the_donald would be gone.

[–]SilentLurker6660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They kinda did that with how they changed the format and /r/popular not showing any right_leaning subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5u9pl5/introducing_rpopular/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its been rumored that reddit is working with police and that FBI in regards to that sub as a way to monitor and find possible extremists. Hence why its not gone least yet.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where is this rumor?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

On reddit. This been said in various parts of reddit.

[–]mgtownigga11 points12 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

seriously. The stance I often seen taken with incels is the kind of stance that drives people to radicalism, full stop. Anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of the literature on the subject. Banning one of the only places they have to congregate and discuss their issues is the opposite of what should be happening here.

Remember this the next time you have an eliot rodgers shoot up a bunch of people, and ask yourself if were doing the 'right thing'.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Do you think if Eliot Rodgers was an active r/incels user, he wouldn't have shot anyone?

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

He would probably have still shot people.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I agree 100%. That's why I'm questioning that user's assertion that r/incels prevents massacres. It's ridiculous.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

r/foreveralone might have cooled his rage a tiny bit, but fucker needed therapy and reassurance that attractiveness wasn’t everything. If he absorbed a lot of stuff from r/foreveralone he might have become a rich version of a basement dwelling neckbeard.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

but fucker needed therapy and reassurance that attractiveness wasn’t everything.

Nope, he would have needed reassurance that he was already attractive enough.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Elliot freakin' Rodgers? His body was OK but his personality fucking sucked, not to mention that he had autism holding him back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't say anything about his personality.

Looks-wise, he was attractive enough.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

That being said, his autism made him unattractive as fuck, and he needed to reckon with that.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

If they don't have the balls to go to the bar now and then, how do you expect them to go on a murderous rampage? More likely to find them furiously wanking to tentacle porn in their basement.

[–]mgtownigga2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

a lot of them wont, obviously, but the point remains socially isolated and sexually/economically frustrated men are vulnerable to radicalizaion and to the recruitment efforts of radical groups. This isn't conjecture, it's fact.

What kinds of people do you think Isis targets? Do you think white nationalists find well adjusted, successful men? Get real dude.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The incel subreddit was certainly doing it's job of radicalizing them.

[–]mgtownigga3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

look, im not saying the incel sub was some positive force in society or anything. I'm just saying that banning them and taking potshots at these people is not going to improve the situation. Why do things to make it worse

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I think it will improve the situation. Less people getting caught in the quagmire and more people choosing the self improvement route.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How will it improve the situation? They just made these men spew into other subs now and make other subs toxic or that more toxic. These men aren't going to seek out self improvement they are going to seek out anything that reaffirms their victimhood.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's the problem with the internet. People can find little bubbles that reinforce their toxic views.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It is. But its really no different from IRL really with people group up with and being friends with like minded people and such reinforcing their views, them being toxic or not. I mean Trump supporters aren't going to hang out with antia. To throw another example just look at high school and all the cliques that form.

[–]mgtownigga1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

somehow i doubt that will be what happens tbh

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I highly doubt all of them spend all their time in their mom's basement.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I'm sure they go to the store and some even have a job. They run scared from any kind of normal social interaction though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt all of them do run scared tho and that some even have normal social interaction. I also have no doubt some even seek such things out but from one reason or another never luck out.

[–]Neoprime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they don't have the balls to go to the bar now and then, how do you expect them to go on a murderous rampage?

Sex or the lack of it is a great motivator(ask ISIS).

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hillary did the same thing in the election. I voted for her, but I almost didn't because I was called things like "Bearnie Bro" or a misogynist whenever I brought up issues that I cared about. Now I am smart and I knew she was the right choice anyway, but she pushed a lot of dumb white males who vote into Trump's corner.

Doubling down after she lost just made it worse too.

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Yup.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑20 points21 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

When you ban discourse, you don't make the problem go away, you push people into more extreme positions.

There was no ‘discourse’ on r/Incel/. It’s just a bunch of sexually frustrated men throwing around insults and blaming women for all their problems. It’s just like RP, but even more pathetic.

You're literally making the problem worse. All the banning of incels did was prove their point about how they are oppressed.

Lol. Incels are not oppressed. Does any sane person actually believe this? Women ignoring you and not wanting to fuck you is not oppression. It just means they don’t want to fuck you. Plain and simple. If someone is offering me bread, and I ignore them or I decline their offer, have I oppressed them? Wtf?

incels are victims. Plain and simple, it is no different than going to the bipolar subreddit and banning them because they sometimes exhibit the behavior of being bipolar.

Is this for real? How exactly are incels victims? Bipolar is a recognized mental disorder. ‘Unable to find women to fuck you’ is not a disease. Comparing incels to bipolar patients is just insulting. In fact, I don’t even believe half of the men on that subreddit were truly incels. They are only incels for the attractive women they wanted to date. If a fat, ugly woman was interested in them, they would most likely reject her.

Incels need empathy and help. Real help, not handwaving solutions. Turning them away just leads to reinforcement of their beliefs.

Incels don’t want ‘empathy’. Only few struggling men actually want empathy. We had another post addressing this, earlier this week. Saying they want empathy is just a smoke screen for what they really want, which is sex. And so if at the end of the day, all that women give them was empathy and no sex, they would still be unhappy and call themselves ‘victims’ or ‘oppressed’. And a lot of them would even get angry at the woman offering them just empathy, especially when she sexually rejects him after he misreads her empathy for sexual interest and tries to ask her out. This obviously defeats the whole purpose and makes women (and I guess, other men) less likely to offer them empathy. It’s a shitty cycle.

[–]mgtownigga18 points19 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. I think a lot of incels are mentally ill and socially isolated as well as sexually frustrated. Instead of being empathetic and trying to help these people in an earnest way, most of society woudl rather see them dissappear and die. That's really the messaging that gets sent out, and it's unsurprisng why these types are lashing out and killing us in the process.

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I think a lot of incels are mentally ill and socially isolated as well as sexually frustrated.

Agreed.

Instead of being empathetic and trying to help these people in an earnest way, most of society woudl rather see them dissappear and die.

The important bit you missed out here is many have tried to offer them advice and they actively decline it. So what else is there to do? You can't help someone who does not want help.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of them need some tough love to push them to take responsibility for their life, get out there and make something of it. Instead they congregate in crab bucket safe spaces and bring each other further down.

[–]Dmva1002 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men pumping and dumping women and not wanting to commit isn't oppression either.

Or being smarter and more productive in the work place, and earning higher pay. Keyword, earn.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who calls that oppression?

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men pumping and dumping women and not wanting to commit isn't oppression either.

I never said it was.

Just like women using men for their money and not having sex with them also isn’t oppression.

[–]damaskroseBlue Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How exactly are incels victims? Bipolar is a recognized mental disorder. ‘Unable to find women to fuck you’ is not a disease.

Speaking as someone with depression, most incels seem like they've got depression. It also seems like they're handling it the wrong way by blaming external factors. I've done it, and it never works. As soon as one problem is resolved, you find something else to blame for your depression. Depressed because you hate your job? Ok, quit that job - but now you're depressed because you're unemployed. Get a new job? Now you're depressed because you hate this job, too. Quit working entirely and start a business? Now you're depressed because you think you'll fail.

This is why some people still post on r/incels even after they've had sex and girlfriends. Because having sex doesn't fix depression. At some point you have to stop blaming external factors and realize your biggest problem is your own perceptions. That's not to say all your other problems aren't real, they are. But it's like you're focusing on scrapes and bruises when you've got a gunshot wound in your chest.

[–]darkmoon091 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you don't seem to appreciate how sex/companionship/intimacy are fundamentally linked to living a fulfilled, quality life; otherwise it wouldn't be on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. For men, that need' is like 1000x powerful compared to women because men have testosterone and are biologically programmed to be always be wanting it.

Just saying, you so nonchalantly dismissing it as 'they just wany sex' is not really taking the time to a look a little further into. It's also rude and insulting to men who genuinely would like an LTR with a girl who doesn't have to be smoking hot. But even those guys can still fall into the incel bracket because that's just how things work.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one is arguing that incels do not have a right to be sad or frustrated or whatever. Everyone’s issue with incels is that they cruelly insult women and blame them for all their problems. Is it a woman’s fault that she’s not attracted to you? Would incels prefer her to lie there while puking a little in her mouth, as he has sex with her? I highly doubt that. No one is physically imposing anything on them. No one is physically harming them. They are not dying because women aren’t having sex with them.

It's also rude and insulting to men who genuinely would like an LTR with a girl who doesn't have to be smoking hot. But even those guys can still fall into the incel bracket because that's just how things work.

No they don’t fall into the incel bracket. And this is just proving my point anyway. Like I said, a lot of them aren’t even true incels. They just aren’t attracting the kind of woman they want. You cannot be rejecting or refusing to date unattractive women and claim to be an involuntary celibate. Because by definition, your celibacy is, in fact, voluntary. And it’s so laughable because they complain that they cannot get attractive women to sleep with them, yet they want the women to sleep with someone (incels) that they aren’t attracted to? Lol!

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

If someone is offering me bread, and I ignore them or I decline their offer, have I oppressed them? Wtf?

If society is offering you no bread, and you say your hungry, and your only solution is to "work harder" and you try and do that and yet you have no bread, and that is repeated for thousands of people, that is a societal problem and not a personal one.

Eventually the hungry person lashes out and breaks a window to steal bread. Then we get a musical about revolution.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What exactly do incels expect society to do? No seriously, reason this out with me: what do they want society to do? Force women to sleep with them? I’m honestly not even trying to straw man this, I’m genuinely asking because at this point, I’m confused as to what they want.

If it’s a problem of food, we can reasonably expect society to create food donations and encourage others to give to the poor. In a way, society can even force its more wealthy citizens to provide food for the less wealthy ones. With shelter, we can reasonably expect society to provide shelter homes. With security, we can reasonably expect society to employ more people into law enforcement to crack down on crime. With all these basic needs for survival, there’s a solution. What, in your mind, would be the solution that society can provide for sexually frustrated men that have apparently ‘tried everything’?

[–]sketch1620001 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

TL:DR Probably validation of the problem and resistance against the social norms that lead so many men to equate thier entire self worth with their ability to get laid.

....... Honestly, a lot of it is accepting that there actually is a problem, and then going from there. Let me give a counter example.

In my view, sexual issues for men can be seen as kind of an analog to body issues for women. Lets look at how society handles body issues.

First, people rightly see unrealistic/unhealthy body behaviors and mentalities as mental disorders and so resources are allocated to cousel women through these up to an including psychiatric healthcare.

Secondly, people turn the lens back on society, acknowledge that social norms and pressures can lead otherwise healthy women and girls down a self-destructive path, and then dedicate resources to alleviate those pressures and norms (eg widespread criticism of the fashion industry and unrealistic beauty standards.) There are huge million-dollar campaigns (Dove is a good example of this) dedicated to building body acceptance in wider society, reducing social pressure for women to look a certain way, and positive self-body images among women. And that's a good thing.

Men simply do not get this level (or any) support for sexual issues, which are just as damaging to a young man as negative body image is for a young woman. Really the only people who actually acknowledge male sexual problems as actual problems is the Red Pill. Aside from being wholesale villifed in society, the RP reaction to these problems are anger and rebellion as opposed to the more incel reaction of depression and hopelessness.

Now imagine if we treated incel the way we treat body dysmorphia, or anorexia.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TL:DR Probably validation of the problem and resistance against the social norms that lead so many men to equate thier entire self worth with their ability to get laid.

Is this TL:DR for your post, or for mine? I’m guessing that it’s for yours, but since you put it at the top of your post, it’s a little misleading.

As for the rest of your post:

Hm. I’ve never thought of it that way. I guess that could be a solution. So basically, what you’re suggesting is society wide empathy. Sort of like how society makes being less than ideal body weight sort of okay by pushing body acceptance and all that? But you do know that, most of these incels don’t actually want empathy. For example, imagine a man went to a female ‘body acceptance’ forum and made a comment about how all women are beautiful and they should celebrate their bodies, all in an effort to show them support and empathy, how do you think such a man would be received? Now, compare this to a woman going into an incel forum to offer support by saying how being an incel is not something to be ashamed of, how being an incel can still be attractive or alternatively, how they should try to find happiness in something else other than their sexual lives, so that they aren’t too depressed by the lack of it. How do you think such a woman would be received? Be honest with yourself, do you really think that an incel that hasn’t had sex for a year or more and is sexually frustrated wants to hear from a female about how it’s okay to not be having sex, especially when he’s not getting the sex he wants from her?

My point is that the solution for incels goes way beyond just empathy. These men, might (minimally) appreciate the empathy and/or acceptance, but what they really want is sex. Preferably with an attractive woman. There’s no way that society can help to fix this for them without significantly imposing on the rights of women. Now, one could argue that the body acceptance movement for women included pushing for men to find bigger women more attractive, in order to date them, and so that these women could also find partners, but there’s a difference in male and female attraction. Men are generally attracted to a larger variety of women, than women are to men. RP is grossly exaggerating with the 80/20 notion, but there is some mild truth to it. So by pushing the female body acceptance movement, men were more pliable to viewing these women as attractive. For women, it’s different. They are generally more rigid and narrow regarding the kind of men they find attractive. So if we pushed for ‘incel acceptance’ and adopted the “oh, it’s okay you’re an incel. It’s okay that no woman wants to have sex with you. You are perfect just the way you are...” kind of mindset, it’s still very unlikely to get an incel any closer to what he wants, which is sex.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

what exactly do black people expect society to do? Force people to accept them?

See how different that sounds, when you use the phrase "minority group" use the word "incels" and you have your answer.

First is recognizing there is a problem.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you don’t know that there’s a difference between forcing someone to accept a group of people (basically do not discriminate against them), and forcing women to sleep with a group of people, then you do not know how to argue in good faith.

No one is discriminating against incels. No one is denying them jobs or telling them to drink from another fountain because they’re incels. Women just don’t want to sleep with them. And even though we can force people to not discriminate against minorities, we cannot force women to sleep with incels. And getting women to sleep with them is the solution that incels want. Everything else is just extra.

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incels are victims.

Only victims of themselves.

All reddit did today was confirm their beliefs and made the problem worse.

It's not the responsibility of a private company to cater to the desires of incels.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Only victims of themselves.

Growing up I knew kids who were picked on because they were physically different. They didn't bring the ostracization onto themselves. They grew up stunted as a result.

It's not the responsibility of a private company to cater to the desires of incels.

That's true, but sad the weakest among us get discriminated against. They need our help, not our derision.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Growing up I knew kids who were picked on because they were physically different.

How does this pertain to the incels? They're not children getting bullied in the playground, they're grown men with responsibility to sort their own shit out.

They need our help, not our derision.

Anyone who tried to help them is told in no uncertain terms to piss off REEEEEEE. You can't help those who do not want to be helped.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How does this pertain to the incels? They're not children getting bullied in the playground, they're grown men with responsibility to sort their own shit out.

That's where it starts. You're just seeing the results of a couple of decades of growing from that point. You didn't see their life up to that point and all the stuff they tried.

Anyone who tried to help them is told in no uncertain terms to piss off REEEEEEE. You can't help those who do not want to be helped.

That's why they chase you off. A decade and a half ago they tried to "improve themselves". You just see their current problem as if I happened yesterday. They literally obsess about it for decades. That's why your solutions aren't really solutions, they're literally the first thing they tried.

That's why they created the "take a shower" meme.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They literally obsess about it for decades.

Then what's the point in trying to help them?

You're contradicting yourself here.

Either they deserve help or they're helpless and cannot be helped. You cannot hold both positions at once.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They can be helped, but you need solutions other than, take a shower, get better clothes, get a haircut, join groups.

That's what normal people do, and it works. It isn't that easy for incels.

Platitudes aren't real help.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What would you suggest then?

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well the first step is recognizing there is a problem...

and instead of trying to bury it, listen to the people who are affected by it. Stop telling them they need to "work harder".

The banning of incels is going backwards from that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

When you ban discourse, you don't make the problem go away, you push people into more extreme positions.

Your literally making the problem worse. All the banning of incels did was prove their point about how they are oppressed.

+1

incels are victims. Plain and simple, it is no different than going to the bipolar subreddit and banning them because they sometimes exhibit the behavior of being bipolar.

They blame us when its not our fault. Our genes, which impact our upbringing and sexual success.

Women cause them pain and it wasn't them who fired the first shot. It was being ostrazized by society as children and the people they cared for.

Its not women, its genes. But we get more hurt since women love to LIE.

People just throw up the handwaving solution of "work harder to iimprove yourself!"

It is no different than rich people telling poor people to "get a job!".

And even then, poor people have a slight sliver of chance to better themselves. When you're ugly you literally are stuck with your bones.

All reddit did today was confirm their beliefs and made the problem worse.

Incels need empathy and help. Turning them away just leads to reinforcement of their beliefs.

It's easier to remove the problem from our view than it is to confront the problem.

+1

[–]shoup88Report me bitch9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They blame us when it's not our fault.

The sub was banned for violent vitriolic hate speech. You guys didn't write those words? That's "society's" fault too?

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like the people that can’t get romantic relationships tend to be maladjusted as hell.

[–]todayismanday0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women cause them pain

By not wanting to have sex with them? That sub was full of hate speech and incitement to violence, rape, murder and other crimes. This is not ok and has nothing to do with free speech.

People need help and support, not a forum filled with suggestions that women are subhuman "femoids" and "sluts filled with chad cum", etc. I'm pretty sure that sub only made those people more bitter and justified in their hate.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

By not wanting to have sex with them?

By not including them in society. Offering help in terms of meaningless platitudes that incels have already tried. Easier to push them aside and forget about them, than to listen to them.

[–]todayismanday0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not having sex is not the same as being excluded from society. People who are truly excluded are people who have some disabilty, poor people, people of racial minorities that face violence and hate everyday. Being ugly is tough, okay, but ugly people have friends, jobs, opportunities, everything that society provides. Sex is not a guaranteed human right. In fact, refusing sex is a human right. You see? I'm all for listening to everyone, but I won't just sit and listen while they call women femoid subhuman useless sluts filled with cum. I reported those comments and the mods did nothing about it. No one deserves to hear that, and saying that isn't helping them at all.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not having sex is not the same as being excluded from society.

Usually if a person doesn't have sex they are also excluded from society. They are both one in the same.

Some ugly people have jobs, friends, opportunities, everything a society provides.

Now change "ugly people" to minorities. "Some minorities have jobs, friends, opportunities, everything a society provides"

See how different that sounds? Racists make the same arguments you are making.

Sex isn't a guaranteed human right, but that doesn't mean it isn't a need either.

Obviously not everyone agrees with you since they banned incels. They don't want to listen them.

some rape victims do talk about having partners who abuse them in order to make them relive their experience again and again as a form of punishment. Or they sleep with a bunch of men after. Rape victims fantasize about killing all the men in the world because the one guy who brought them pain. Victims don't rationally process what has happened to them always. They were broken by the thing that happened to them.

Incels were broken by the thing that happened to them. Just like rape victims.

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Rape victims fantasize about killing all the men in the world because the one guy who brought them pain.

Mind citing evidence to that? Thanks.

[–]todayismanday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Minorities are excluded from having rights. Rights to their own bodies, to get married (with someone who wants to marry them), to have kids, to walk alone in the street, to getting elected, and so on. Having sex is not a human right, or even a human need, since you don't die if you don't have it. What incels need is real social connection. And they will never have a real connection with a woman if they think they owe them sex, that they are inferior, evil beings, that they are sex objects, that they are useless, dirty, disgusting, subhuman, and so on. There is a huge difference.

Fuck no. Rape victims have many different ways of coping and none of them involve making a forum where they discuss how much men are subhuman, disgusting, objects, dirty, etc. They talk about themselves and their pain and how to deal with it, how to deal with the fact that they ofter were in love and in a relationship with their abusers, often for long years. It disgusts me that you really made this comparison. Rape victims are NOT the same as these misogynists who ENCOURAGE raping women! They are the victims, and incels were encouraging the very same crime! You don't know if some of them went out and acted on their fantasies. There is no "thing" that broke incels, just women living their fucking normal lives and not wanting to be intimate with them, as is their fucking right. Rape victims are broke by men who believe they are entitled to have sex with them (like incels) and disrespected their right to their bodies. Just apologize for what you said.

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

A victim doesn't talk endlessly about rape farms etc.

Women didn't deliberately hurt you. But you guys talk about rape farms. How do you think that makes women feel?

I'm genuinely sorry for anyone who feels on the fringes of society and rejected by the opposite sex. But I have no sympathy for the ones who have sicko fantasies of doing harm to people who haven't knowingly done harm to you. And that stuff was allowed in the incels forum. You had free rein to talk there - no oppression or silencing, and that's the kind of stuff you guys often chose to talk about. Rape farms.

It's not just incels. Trp is just as bad. They hate women, too.

So much hate for women, just for being women. Women have had had to deal with that hate their entire lives. Incel hate is just more of the same.

You want to talk about taking up the tiki torch and a gun? It's a wonder masses of women haven't done this - women who have suffered real and actual harm at the hands of men.

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A victim doesn't talk endlessly about rape farms etc.

neither do most of incels. You probably deal with an incel on a daily basis and don't even realize it.

some rape victims do talk about having partners who abuse them in order to make them relive their experience again and again as a form of punishment. Rape victims fantasize about killing all the men in the world because the one guy who brought them pain. Victims don't rationally process what has happened to them always. They were broken by the thing that happened to them.

so of course an incel is going to obsess and fantasize about a place where his pain can be relieved. Why is a "rape farm" any different than a rape victim fantasizing about killing all (including innocent) men? Women have all kinds of resources to deal with their incident, incels have nothing and no one to help them. Incels have people actively trying to silence them.

Both are victims of something they did not cause.

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm talking about the incel forum, in which they did absolutely keep talking about government run sex for men - forcing women to provide sex for men.

In a rape, someone has actively done something terrible to another person. Most rape victims, however, don't fantasise about killing all the men in the world. They might fantasise about killing that one person.

Women didn't deliberately "not give sex" to incels, and incels are not victims. No one victimised them.

You could also say that better-looking men are victimising incels by taking all the women, but incels don't seem to fantasise about locking all those men up.

I understand that incels are in great pain - a pain that I can't fully understand unless I lived it. I'd like to see them get help. But they are not victims.

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[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It is a good thing I don't care if people like me or not. I'm doing what I believe is right. I care about these boys and men. They are hurting because they are victims of society. They did not cause this.

You smack someone with a societal stick(intentional or not) and you're surprised they lash back?

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels aren't real

you're all volcels and trolls

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

victims of society

While it might be true, the victim mindset will rationalize all their shitty behavior into shitty actions. They didn't cause it, but they keep themselves in that cesspool purposefully.

You smack someone with a societal stick(intentional or not) and you're surprised they lash back?

No one is smacking them. How dramatic, like a feminist lashing out at their "oppressors".

[–]80_20SCIENCE / non-incel incel advocate / NO PILL1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one is smacking them? Have you've seen an incel try and what happens to them?

[–]mgtownigga2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

dont even bother with bloops, they always get overly emotional during these topics. Just because were stating the obvious, which is that men violently lash out when they feel like society is excluding them, doesn't mean we advocate for violecne or think it's justified. At the end of the day, all of that moralizing is fucking worthless when juxtaposed with reality. Until they can see past their emotional blinders, this problem will only get worse, with an increasing frequency of radicalization and shootings. I don't see how it would go any other way

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[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism15 points16 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It's a private company they can ban what they want. No one is forced to give incels a platform and incels are not entitled to one. It's a sad day for bp since they lost a great "satire" mine over there.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haven't seen anyone cry free speech over this. If anything seen people like me pointing out how the admins are continuing to ban right wing/non liberal and/or feminist subs. As subs like /r/Anarchism and /r/ShitRedditSays should be banned. And yet they don't.

[–]mgtownigga7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

seriously. I've seen people directly advocating for violence on both of those subs, many times, and there has been no backlash. Also, dont get me started on their brigading, something they talk openly about.

Oh yeah, dont forget about all the 'ironic lol' socialist/tankie/whatever leftist dumbfuck ideology forums that constantly talk about putting people 'against the wall'. Fuck that

Admins are bullshit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen people directly advocating for violence on both of those subs, many times, and there has been no backlash.

Report them to the admins. I do when I see it. Ya they do nothing even tho I say so even when they say they take action when in fact they don't. As the user isn't suspended at all and their comment(s) still remain.

Admins are bullshit.

They are. There's very clear bias on their part that the community has been hugely vocal on and they refuse to address it.

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's a private company they can ban what they want.

lol, you capitalists and your private property

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

There's this great commune in Cali you could move to. I saw a video about it. Hold on I'll go find it.

https://youtu.be/VcXTXnCiRGU

There you go!

[–]virtualvirgincakePurple Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus christ is this real

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

oh man. It could perhaps have been interesting but that guy commenting was obnoxious beyond belief. If he could just have shut up, I might have made it to more than 30 seconds.

In fact there are several fairly succesful communist communes in the USA which have been running for decades. Its not even a 60s hippie movement. I believe Mary Shelley moved to a Christian commune in the USA which practised communal living as well as nudity. Early Mormon polygamism can be seen as an alternative lifestyle, as well as the Amish, and many other religious communities.

People experimenting with other and alternative kinds of lifestyles and communities is the best thing ever. Bloggers sitting on their fat ass making fun of it should be hanged from lampposts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah you can't hang them for making content people enjoy cause we have police here. But you can go move yourself to one of your commie hell holes if you'd like

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

you joke, but there are people within my circle of friends who went to Rojava

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a hilarious video. You should give it a watch!

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am done with Sargon, have been for over a year now, I just find him annoying now.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good riddance.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I hope it doesn't hasten the infiltration of TRP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Trp doesn’t work though

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

How so? did you try it?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I’m working on it

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That seems odd. If it doesn't work, why are you still trying it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Only lifting will just so my face won't be all that chubby.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Okay, so do it, and lots of it. Also, run.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah.

But won't change bone. Hence plastic surgery.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good luck with that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ll need all the luck I can get lol

[–]darkmoon091 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You're not going to see results overnight, dude.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I’m talking about gym

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

RP is more than just hitting the gym though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

lol is it also being a gullible gook faggot who dresses like shit and spends his paycheck trying to impress ugly tinder fatties

[–]darkmoon091 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know what you're talking about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill is such a laughing stock that the only people who take it seriously are FOB Asians and divorced 45 year old losers who journal their daily affirmations.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I know

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well when you say things like 'RP doesn't work' I'm presuming you're referring to all of RP as a whole and not just the gym bits.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]AlexDr0ps0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I truly don't understand how this is such a strong argument against TRP. I can't speak for anyone on that subreddit except myself but it has definitely worked and I see no reason to reverse what I have learned. Not just sexually, I'm in the best shape of my life and my career is going great. Why the fuck would the community exist if it didn't work??

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It only works if you're good looking already.

A lot of TRPers who aren't attractive think that it is the magic ticket to things. Its not.

[–]Grizzlybear_NobilityBlue Pill Woman9 points10 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, my question is why now? They've been dangerous and delusional for a while. I'm thrilled with the decision, I just don't understand why THIS was the nail in the coffin.

I think the leading theory rn is that a user pretended to be a woman on r/legaladvice trying to figure out how to get away with rape, but there's been some really rapey things in that sub for a while.

Still, I think it was a good decision. It was starting to become a cult. When you get so many people like that together, they grow and reinforce their own beliefs in an echo chamber. While they likely won't change, disbanding (most) of them is going to be useful in preventing even more men from falling into the same pit.

[–]WavesAcross2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Could you elaborate on how they are dangerous? While they talk about violence I think its a very strong claim that this makes them sufficiently more likely to harm people that its worth shutting down the subreddit and denying them any value that found in it.

And yes, I understand that they found value in rhetoric that would disgust other people, but reading it is purely voluntary.

While they likely won't change, disbanding (most) of them is going to be useful in preventing even more men from falling into the same pit.

Does the incel community make incels, or do incels make the incel community? I mean I am in the same position as one (late 20s virgin), yet I saw the subreddit and walked away.

What support do you have for this idea?

[–]Grizzlybear_NobilityBlue Pill Woman9 points10 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

The men in that sub really didn't see women as people, going so far as to call women "femoids" and actually saying that we are another species sometimes. And, when you dehumanize people like that, especially with those hateful ideas in place, it's the perfect recipe for violent action against them. I know I'm picking a disproportionately extreme example here, but just look at any genocide in history and you'll see this pattern again and again and again and again.

They didn't just talk about initiating sexual violence (which statistically puts them at a higher risk of actually acting on those words anyway) but they outright recounted story after story of sexual harassment or violence. And then there was of course that incident last week.

Does the incel community make incels, or do incels make the incel community?

Honestly, I'd say a bit of both, but I lean towards the community making the incels a bit more. I think that the men in that community had some less than stellar ideas already and that the incel community applauded them and brought them out and spoon fed even darker ideas. It's a bandwagon effect that spiraled way out of control.

[–]RenzololPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So when can we expect bans of all the left-wing subs who dehumanize right-wingers and Trump supporters by calling them Nazis and racists constantly?

[–]shoup88Report me bitch7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is dehumanization? Nazis and racists are still human.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not gonna happen in the current SJW environment.

[–]a_mans_perspectiveSigh... yes dear.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What incident last week?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The men in that sub really didn't see women as people, going so far as to call women "femoids"

Haha, lol.

[–]IncelWatch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you thinking of just getting it over with and fucking a girl at a brothel?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be good if they would spread apart and start getting involved with normal people groups. That way rather than cry together about how they are victims and reinforcing their plans to murder rampage everyone else for not fixing their problems for them they will start to fix their own problems like all the normal people do.

Definitely a good move to ban that toxic waste dump.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, my question is why now?

Reddit change their rule on violence about 2 weeks ago.

Still, I think it was a good decision. It was starting to become a cult. When you get so many people like that together, they grow and reinforce their own beliefs in an echo chamber.

Numerous left wing subs do the same thing and yet somehow they get a pass.

While they likely won't change, disbanding (most) of them is going to be useful in preventing even more men from falling into the same pit.

Does no such thing. All that will happen is they go into other subs and likely take over one much like what SRS has done to several subs where they took over modding them.

[–]Grizzlybear_NobilityBlue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Which left wing subs?

Also, while moderation might be hell for a little bit in a lot of subs, with decent moderation, it's unlikely they'll take other subs over. I think it would do the incels some good- stepping out into the real word for a little bit and away from their strange cognitive biases.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Which left wing subs?

SRS, /r/Anarchism, /r/GamerGhazi, /r/Negareddit, /r/AgainstHateSubreddits, and I am sure others. They all show the same signs of being well a cult and that echo chamber.

Also, while moderation might be hell for a little bit in a lot of subs, it's unlikely they'll take other subs over.

And yet SRS was able to take over various subs like /r/punchablefaces where they have effectively shut down the sub without outright doing so.

[–]Grizzlybear_NobilityBlue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haven't seen a lot of these, but if they are what you say, then yes- they should be banned, too.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh god I do not remember that r/legaladvice thread I’m sure that went over real well.

[–][deleted]  (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Grizzlybear_NobilityBlue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude, it's been less than 24 hours and the new incels site was already caught planning a rape.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

caught planning a rape

Do you have any proof?

[–]Grizzlybear_NobilityBlue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incel tears makes fun of a group. Nothing more, nothing less.

Incels is a violent counterculture with a radical doxology.

[–]Ultramegasaurus11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Banned for promoting violence

Huh, the gloating subs and their users telling incels to go kill themselves still exist

Oh, and look at this list of peaceful tolerance by left-wing, non-banned subs http://archive.fo/Pe1GI

[–]SilverGryphonRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I frequently comment in the MR, MGTOW, Redpill and this sub as well. I also was a follower of the incel sub and I posted several comments over there. Yes they did say some stupid stuff on the incels sub, but I have to admit that I loved some of the content that was posted in there.

Let's face it if you are not good looking it's going to be much harder to get attention from women. I'm an incel myself but I'm not going to go around and act like a crazy moron, I'm just here for the dank memes and black/red pills.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not only much harder, its nearly impossible.

I used to think sexual success was on a linear curve. I don't think so anymore. Its more of an exponential curve.

[–]1UPZ_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

me too, pretty much like you. I like going in the Incels Sub because of the Memes, black pill truth and generally funny posts. But there are some Incels over there that are dead serious in their views and its dangerous to have a platform for them to post and encourage vile things.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol@the autist admins who took it seriously

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog8 points9 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

If you tear out a man's tongue, etc, etc.

Censoring anyone's speech is a bad idea.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

A group of feckless losers encouraging each other to rape women and go on murder rampages, threatening people's families constantly with gun violence, who refuse to improve because they are just poor little wee victims?

Come on man I thought you were better than that.

Though why did your girlfriend dump you again? I thought you were alpha. Lol

[–][deleted]  (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]QueequegTheater6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How about the one that got your sub banned where /r/incels members suggested that a fellow incel should drug and castrate his roommate for having a gf?

Or how about the post on /r/Legaladvice where an obvious /r/incels member pretended to be a woman and tried to get tips on how rapists can avoid being caught by police?

[–]mistresswhat1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

r/inceltears has literally hundreds of screencaps that fit the bill.

[–]Sub_Corrector_Bot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You may have meant r/inceltears instead of R/inceltears.


Remember, OP may have ninja-edited. I correct subreddit and user links with a capital R or U, which are usually unusable.

-Srikar

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please show me one that gets more than 5 upvotes\comments.

Inceltears is well known to cherrypick and shill posts, mind you.

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

its proven to drive them away.. its 'dispersal' not censorship 😬

[–][deleted]  (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]PostNationalismex-PUA1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

there's always voat and gab.ai 🙃🙃🙃

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

This is not censoring, it is content control. Involuntary celibates are perfectly free to make their own web sites.

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Semantics.

It is an effort to prevent someone from speaking, on account of what he is saying, for the purpose of preventing him from saying it.

For the sake of avoiding pointless arguments about arbitrary definitions, we shall from here on out call it fnord.

I do not contend that fnord is always illegal, always a violation of human rights, or always morally wrong. However, fnord is almost universally a bad idea, because it achieves the precise opposite of its intended purpose.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Can I post my cookie recipe on r/TheRedPill?

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Is it something good, or just some boring variation on the basic chocolate chip thing again?

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Answer the question, yes or no.

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay, so, "boring chocolate chip", then. Dudes on TRP already know how to make those. Anyone who doesn't isn't alfalfa enough, and has to turn in his frilly apron.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So I could post a chocolate chip recipe on r/TheRedPill right now and it would stay up? Can I post any discussion topic on r/TheRedPill?

If your reply is going to be snarky/circlejerky do not bother replying at all.

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're just where fun goes to die, aren't you? Takin' this waaay too seriously.

Okay, Grumpy, we'll stop the jokes and clear up your confusion.

Look at the definition of fnord. It has three clauses.

  1. It is an effort to prevent someone from speaking,
  2. on account of what he is saying
  3. for the purpose of preventing him from saying it.

Removing off-topic shit in TRP, or here, or in /r/recipes, isn't fnord because #3 doesn't apply.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bye

[–]badnews4u7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it shows that low status males are the most hated group, probably universally. even the muslims become terrorists since they cant cope with being incel

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah ISIS members are def the incels of the Muslim world

[–]badnews4u1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

theres tons of incels in shithole countries. isis members at least get some status i guess or at least can use force to get what they want

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's unfortunate. They didn't do any harm talking with themselves on their isolated forum. If reddit starts to ban more I'm going to have to leave too. But it doesn't really matter. Reddit is just a company. Another one would come and profit from the market.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

/r/IncelTears needs to be banned ASAP. Their content is basically a circlejerk of "OMG INCELS ARE RACIST SEXIST RAPIST MURDERER PEDOPHILES WHO WANT TO BEAT WOMEN ALL THE TIME OMG IM SO SCARED YOU GUYS".

That's blatant fear mongering and misinformation.

They also have a bad habit of taking one post with like 2-5 upvotes and going "SEE THIS IS WHAT ALL INCELS ARE LIKE."

How does one report a subreddit anyway?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also apparently since I don’t want a long term prostitute essentially I’m a “volcel.”

[–]IncelWatch3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

If some start posting in trp then there’s a chance they’ll take the advice and try improving themselves. Trp won’t stand for people whining about their situation without having done anything to try improve it.

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

ya their sub literally banned self-improvement talk

[–]IncelWatch3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Haha lol that’s kinda true . A lot of people who tried helping were banned. That was one of funniest things about r/incels. Did pua techniques help you get laid?

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

definitely did

[–]IncelWatch2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How come you stopped running pua?

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

got married, mostly 🙃

[–]IncelWatch2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Haha awesome good on you. Did pua help you get a more attractive wife than you otherwise would have gotten without it?

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

definitely

[–]IncelWatch2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow that’s inspirational. I’m going to try to learn more techniques from /r/seduction.

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😉

[–]SoupTyrantPurple Pill Onlooker2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So did they actually do anything against the rules or was it just something distasteful getting swept under the rug?

[–]Butt-Factory3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There were posts made about murder, rape, suicide, and assault every single day.

[–]SoupTyrantPurple Pill Onlooker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like actual posts about murdering raping and assaulting real people? The suicide thing seems fine as long as it's like a support thing.

[–]RapedByAGirlshadowbanned for posting about being raped ideaology:MGTOW2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]DarkLord0chinChin4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]RapedByAGirlshadowbanned for posting about being raped ideaology:MGTOW1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya IK, it's one of my fav's.

[–]pm_me_malware1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hopefully they all end up on /r/randomactsofblowjob and meet up with each other so they can stop being incels..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Um, this isn't how sexuality works.

[–]rulenumber3033 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah that was coming.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that was coming.

But they weren't!

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You gotta be kidding me

[–]Temperfuelmma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OoOoOh so some reddit admins are red as well

[–]scrubchan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was fun, they should have kept it.

But I don't think those communities are a healthy outlet for incels. Echo chambers never are. They should spend all those nights on wizardchan r9k or r/incels etc getting drunk/doing drugs on the town.

[–]FormerDemOperativePurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hard to tell if this is ultimately good or bad. While it was hard to reach people on incels in groups, PMs were often a little more effective.

[–]dylang92Clear Pill0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I made a comment a while ago that more or less describes how I feel about it.

"Fair, but do you think it ends at Reddit? There are so many other incel sites and different boards they comment on. 4chan, Voat, Sluthate, Lookism, Tumblr even, I'm sure there are areas on Facebook, YouTube. I'm not even counting all the sites on the deep web I'm sure they have. What are you going to do? Devote your life to stopping them? That's one my problems with this subreddits, it seems like the only reason they care is that it's just on Reddit and if it does go away( provided they don't make a new subreddit) it's still going to exists outside of Reddit. Hell, in fact it might just fuel their fire that the world is against them, that their "safe space" is taken away.

I agree that there are reasons to fear some of these people, although based on who they are I genuinely don't think they are capable as much as some of you guys think they are. However they've existed before /r/incels, and they will surely exist after it. This subreddit doesn't solve the problem, it's just a place to laugh, bully, and actually ostracize them more. This all just fuels their fire and makes it worse."

Essentially I don't think this really fixes anything, they'll just go somewhere else. It may not be reddit anymore, but there are still Sluthate, Lookism, and now there is even a website they apparently made.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The term incel is over a decade old actually.

[–]dylang92Clear Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, they've existed before and they will exist after.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yup

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

great, like this board needed any more of them

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We can just send them to your an/com paradise. You guys should be able to sort them out.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

fuck the containment board is down and this place will be terrible now

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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