Why is any criticism of women, no matter how mild, seen as red pill thinking?

nemma88 · 2017-05-16T07:27:00+00:00

Red Pill has buzzwords, if you use the buzzwords people may notice. If anyone checks post history they will see PPD. If you say something dodgy, people will check your history.

I don't know, people label Libtards, SJW's etc all the time in a bid to automatically dismiss their views, so it isn't particular to TRP.

TheGreasyPole · 2017-05-16T09:40:47+00:00

Because RP and MRAs are the only known groups that actually criticise women in modern culture. Absolutely no one else does.

So when a Redditor sees an individual criticising a woman... he naturally assumes that individual is a member of that group as they regard that criticism as an important signifier of group membership.

This does indicate just how rare it is.

If you saw a redditor criticising a male you wouldn't jump to the conclusion he is a "feminist" as so many groups may criticise men that wouldn't be likely.

That's just not the same in reverse.

It honestly does indicate how one sidedly "mainstream culture" view women. There is an honest to God "the sun shines out of their arse" phenomena there, enforced by attacking those who do not hold that line.

Only RP/MRAs as a group are prepared to weather those attacks (although, of course unaffiliated individuals may do so too.) This causes the mainstream to identify any individuals doing so as members of those groups, because it is otherwise so rare to risk the personal attacks you invite by doing so.

Gorgatron1968 · 2017-05-16T03:35:51+00:00

get off the internet... people criticize women all the time and they've never heard of the red pill. the difference between run-of-the-mill "bitches, right?" and TRP's particular brand of sexism is most people don't try to couch their criticism in pseudoscientific jargon about "female nature."

women are like men in that they are people. there are good women, shitty women, backstabbing women, kind women, fat women, thin women, desperate women, confident women, etc. "women are hypergamous whores" is just as laughably ridiculous a statement as "women are perfect angels."

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-05-16T10:07:49+00:00

I don't think it's any and all criticism of women, but rather any criticism that's based on the assumption that women are a homogeneous mass.

For example if one complains about female hypocrisy because woman A does something that woman B said she wouldn't do that's RP thinking.

sublimemongrel · 2017-05-16T03:33:30+00:00

Idk where you're seeing this OP. If you frequent r/relationships the individual women doing "bad things" are routinely called out. It's probably when you see sweeping negative generalizations that this phenomenon moreso exists. But if you give me some examples maybe I can understand you better.

reepbot · 2017-05-16T03:59:41+00:00

Because the name of a group, used as an adjective, would have to mean something that the group is known for. The Red Pill was, as we say, founded on the radical notion that women are people. Criticizing women is kinda our thing. You bring 'em down to earth and you see that they're really not that difficult to understand. We didn't pioneer it, but if you're on the nerdier side of the commercial internet then we are the go-to name for it.

CoffersWorthington · 2017-05-16T06:10:35+00:00

It's probably because when someone makes categorical statements about an entire group of people, it reflects more on their own life experience and insecurities than on the actual group.

Without any examples this post just seems like a whine.

andrewisgood · 2017-05-16T05:51:30+00:00

Any particular examples? I mean, there are multiple subreddits dedicated to how much women suck.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-05-16T03:28:08+00:00

if I shit on redpill women, is that red pill thinking 🤔

Master_of_Ritual · 2017-05-16T06:39:50+00:00

Some examples would make the OP a higher quality post. I'll meet your generality with a generality though: Red Pillers don't talk about women like they are people. They talk about them like they are a uniform and inferior species.

ppdthrowawai · 2017-05-16T14:16:00+00:00

Because it's emotionally convenient for them. If you know anything about cycles of abuse, the victim will often defend their abuser. This is a defense mechanism to defend their world-view that the world they live in is just and they are doing the right thing by loving their abuser. Likewise, after their abuse, many victims will seek answers as to why. Why did I allow this? Why did I fall for it? Why did I stay so long?

r/thebluepill is filled with victims trying to make sense of lives they feel like they have little control over. r/theredpill is a convenient scapegoat. So THIS is why he was able to manipulate me, he MUST have been a redpiller (despite redpill not working at all supposedly). By blaming the boogeyman of evil internet men, the victim offloads all responsibility for their poor outcomes in life.

It's sad that people get trapped in this perpetual cycle of victimhood. But they fail to notice that these same evil manipulation techniques are used on them on a daily basis by the politicians they voted for, that little shop they love to visit, their chiropractor, local car dealership, etc. etc. etc.

Ultimately it's all the same manipulation and what matters most is the outcome. Did I genuinely help this person by manipulating them into buying my product? Likewise, did this woman's life improve by willingly deciding to continue a relationship with me? I'm not holding her at gunpoint and she's free to leave at any time. She simply knows I won't compromise who I am for her. And if she decides to leave, there will be another one to take her place.

Keeping with the sales analogy, I'm not chasing my customer into the parking lot because I don't compromise the integrity of my product for a lousy customer. People do that when they're trying to sell you an overpriced, bogus product (reminiscent of the abuser who keeps their SO on lockdown). My quality is high and that will speak for itself. A certain confidence in what you're selling and how you speak to the customer allows you to sell at a high price. A lot of bluepillers bought a product at a high price and complained that they bought junk, therefore selling something at a high price is evil misogynistic manipulation. They fail to see that it's not the techniques that were garbage, but the product itself. If they bought a better product, they wouldn't be complaining. So to a sales guy (red piller) looking to learn sales techniques (game), would you want to learn how to sell your product at a higher price? Or would you feel bad because somebody somewhere had a bad experience once getting ripped off?

locriology · 2017-05-16T17:34:51+00:00

Generalizations are bad mmmkay

Seriously though, are you complaining that you can't make sweeping criticisms about half the world's population without receiving backlash?

reepbot · 2017-05-16T14:56:42+00:00

Because speaking about women as some kind of monolithic block (AWALT) is lazy stereotyping at its worst and 100% red pill.

CoffersWorthington · 2017-05-16T06:23:52+00:00

Read: "Someone called me a Redpiller and it's not fair, even though I probably fit right into the typical demographic"

YetAnotherCommenter · 2017-05-16T03:40:09+00:00

The answer is that we live in a culture that pedastalizes women (aka the Women Are Wonderful Effect) and quite clearly they enjoy being pedastalized because it provides them with useful privileges.

DemonConsulting · 2017-05-16T08:02:16+00:00

If you criticise women as a whole group, they will be upset for being generalised. Same goes for criticising men as a whole (remember "yes all men"?) that sort of generalisation get you labeled a radical feminist, a red piller, a misogynist, a racist, etc. depending on which group you just picked out to generalise. This happens because we as individuals mostly don't want to be painted with the same brush as every bitch or asshole of our gender. This is why a woman saying she is scared to reject a person hitting on her because of the potential to be hurt, raped or murdered or a man saying he doesn't want to take the risk of getting married or being accused of rape, immediately gets the opposite gender all up in arms. They will call eachother paranoid or even malicious, just hiding behind excuses, because obviously I myself would never ever rape, murder or falsely accuse anyone so WHY ARE YOU GENERALISING ME.

Now of course there are wider trends that can actually be observed, however most individuals can only be impartial, as long as those things don't concern them. Once they are included in the group, they feel personally attacked, especially if the accusations are not 100% true for them as an individual (like an individual woman not being into big muscle, etc.) which is understandable since saing "group X tends to be like this* can be objectively true, however if an outsider then takes this as an absolute and thinks Person A is in group X, therefor he must be like this and even rejects anything negating this fact, calling them a lier, is a legitimate disadvantage to person A, so they have an interest in fighting this notion.

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gabbygabretski · 2017-05-16T13:37:54+00:00

<i>"Does this kind of worthless labeling help with the issues between the genders?"</i>

No. It's the internet. I'm now very skeptical that anything one reads on the internet will ever "help with issues between genders" anyway. Sometimes no exposure is good exposure. Where does all that arguing get anyone? Gets boring, and there's no levity. Like attending a lecture all day every day. By choice. To feed our weird dopamine fixes, or something.

badnews4u · 2017-05-16T13:41:09+00:00

because they admit that women need protection and are hence inferior in strength/ability. i.e. gynocentricism in action

there are no issues between genders for the successful

SilentLurker666 · 2017-05-16T15:04:28+00:00

People people on the left are too caught up on "labels" and attack anything that was said without reflecting and actually thinking about what was being said.

RP has never claimed to have extreme views on women, but rather calling out general female's behavior in a very candid manner. This scares the BP because political correctness is their main tool to control their narrative.

A prime example of this is the Okcupid thread where women rate men lower then men rate women, but BP keeps pushing the narrative away from it's obvious conclusion that women are more picky when it comes to choosing their mate, and somehow they can claim with a straight face that they are not protecting the "females are wonderful" narrative and that RP doesn't understand nuance. Another example is the narrative that false rape accusation is rare so we shouldn't be concern about it.

comfysofachair · 2017-05-16T19:58:04+00:00

Reason #1: Because they are conditioned from birth to be treated like princesses.

Reason #2: Because thoughts lead to words and words lead to actions and actions are either rape or domestic violence.

Reason #3: Any criticism of a woman leads to the determination that a woman is not as capable as a man in some way. That calls out that men and women are not the same. One hop skip and jump of bad logic from there takes you to a place where men and women are not equal. And feminists DEMAND equality.

fidsysoda · 2017-05-16T23:30:34+00:00

Look at the actual function of these discussions. Are minds changed? Sometimes. But for most people, these discussions are a chance to establish identity. Establishing identity gives you allies, it gives you a sense of self, it gives a sort of unconditional love: if you agree with me, if you're on my side, anything you do is kosher. This falls naturally out of the political power of solidarity and the impotence of individuality. If you want to establish an identity, one of the strongest ways to do so is to elect an enemy. We have always been at war with EastAsia, as they say. From this perspective, what's important isn't the actual ideas exchanged, but slotting people into categories of unconditional ally or unconditional enemy. Nuance can serve no purpose to this function.

Note that the exact same thing happens in reverse. Feminism isn't a single thing. But when you express a positive or nuanced position on a feminist issue, you're likely to be accused of being whatever word they're using instead of "feminazi" these days. Again, the point to people doing this is not to practice rigorous thought; the point is to identify people as allies or as enemies as rapidly as possible. They don't care about rigorous thought; they wouldn't recognize it if it shat in their bathtub.

Transmigratory · 2017-05-17T10:41:19+00:00

It helps provide the reinforcement for one's safe space by helping with the installation of the bully proof windows.

Peter5930 · 2017-05-17T15:46:21+00:00

I probably wouldn't have heard about TRP if it wasn't for seeing men being denounced as redpillers for their views. Eventually, you start to want to check out what this red pill stuff is that everyone's always on about.

Ultramegasaurus · 2017-05-16T05:31:22+00:00

Because mainstream culture sees women as flawless.

[deleted] · 2017-05-16T03:26:57+00:00

Try going outside of reddit circles specifically made for white knighting and see if that changes your view on the matter.

reepbot · 2017-05-16T09:11:48+00:00

Maybe you just need to get off Reddit, dude.

despisedlove2 · 2017-05-16T18:07:58+00:00

Women hold all the power in modern first world societies.

You can tell that unerringly by realizing that they are the ones you cannot criticize.