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Interesting article out of The Daily Beast today

The Republican Lawmaker Who Secretly Created Reddit’s Women-Hating ‘Red Pill’

Some highlights:

An investigation into Fisher’s online aliases found a trail of posts linking the lawmaker to the username Pk_atheist, the creator of The Red Pill—an online Reddit community of nearly 200,000 subscribers that promotes itself as a “discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.”

Though he once cautioned another user to “invest in a decent throwaway” account, Fisher apparently failed to heed his own advice. Fisher’s many online identities spin a large butweak web. Following its thread leads to one identity after another, dating back to high school, when Fisher, a programmer, created a message board used by his friends as a social platform. The website’s name, “Fredrickville,” appears over and over, and provides more links between him and The Red Pill—Fisher’s personal email account uses the name, the same email addresss used to register The Red Pill’s backup landing page, should it ever get taken down. In addition, Fisher’s customized Facebook URL, revealed in a comment on Fredrickville.com, uses the name Facebook.com/Fredrickville. That personalized link formerly led to Fisher’s personal Facebook page, which has recently been deleted. Fisher’s customized URL for his band’s SoundCloud also uses the name.

The Reddit alias Panderific also appears to belong to Fisher. A post by Panderific in 2012 advertising his blog Explain God—a blog by the same author as Existential Vortex—revealed an additional trove of thousands of Panderific’s comments. In one, from March 2012, he disclosed that he was running for office in New Hampshire, and promoted his candidate website—which was Robert Fisher’s own site, electfisher.org.

Within hours of contacting Rep. Fisher, and after delivering by email a summary of his apparent connections to The Red Pill kingpin, his two primary Reddit usernames had been wiped, and four blogs connected to him were deleted or made private. He has not returned additional requests for comment.

By May 2014, Fisher, then running for state representative, had apparently mastered the art of “spinning plates.” He bragged: “I spin a soft harem.” As opposed to a harem, a “soft harem” means the women are mostly unaware of each other, though they are sometimes strategically given hints about the availability of other women.

Yet even as he bragged about his conquests, Fisher also groused bitterly about dating hurdles.

“Dude, I’m attractive and a business man. I own a small empire. I’m also running for political office, and I’m incredibly outgoing… And this site [OkCupid] files me in next to millions of other guys. Obviously I’m going to have more luck IRL,” Fisher wrote to another user in 2012.

Elsewhere, he wondered why listing his accomplishments on dates, including his status as a candidate and “high level exec,” was apparently a turnoff to women, despite it being characteristically alpha.

On a forum subtitled “Contemplative Dominance for the Modern Man,” under the username FredFredrickson, Fisher complained in 2012, “I cannot be honest about my accomplishments or ambitions without ridicule. I am running for a state political position, I’m a high level exec in a franchising company, and I own two business locations in state. I found that stating it simply… nets me negativity on dates if I’m honest.”

FredFredrickson, Fisher posited that the notion that “rape is bad” was not an absolute truth. He wrote, “I’m going to say it—Rape isn’t an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he’d say it’s quite good, really.”

Though he stated he “doesn’t advocate breaking the law,” Fisher said online in 2012 that a 40-year-old man asking to see the breasts of a 15-year-old wasn’t creepy. Instead, he said it was “evolutionarily advantageous and perfectly natural.”

Thoughts on the article?


[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (48 children) | Copy Link

I’m going to say it—Rape isn’t an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he’d say it’s quite good, really.

Well, by that logic, murdering isn't an absolute bad.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

By that logic, taking a massive shit in my neighbor's pool isn't bad and is my god damn right as an American!

[–]JaggedYellowPillyellow is the opposite of purple16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape!

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪20 points21 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

well you can mak many arguments that its not bad, by definition its always illegal, since "murder" is illegal intentional unprivileged homicide.

if a man raped my daughter and he got off in court and i killed him, it would still be illegal murder but i wouldnt think it was "bad"

[–]333i points points [recovered] | Copy Link

That actually happened in Texas recently, jury dropped the charges and ruled the murder justified when a man caught a guy raping his daughter and beat him to death

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is not the situation I described at all. Catching someone in that act of assault and intentionally planning a homicide are two different things

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

They found it to be a valid defense of others?

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun11 points12 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

In Texas, the use of deadly force is authorized to stop sexual assault.

I believe /u/333i is referring to an incident where the father walked in on the rape, beat the rapist until he was unconscious, and then called 911 on the rapist's behalf once his daughter was safe. There were call transcripts which showed the father actively attempted to save the rapists life after the fact, even offering to drive him to a hospital himself.

The sheriff refused to press charges, and then I believe a grand jury decided not to indict.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

In Texas, the use of deadly force is authorized to stop sexual assault.

Yes that would be the "defense of others" I'm referring to.

I believe /u/333i is referring to an incident where the father walked in on the rape, beat the rapist until he was unconscious, and then called 911 on the rapist's behalf once his daughter was safe. There were call transcripts which showed the father actively attempted to save the rapists life after the fact, even offering to drive him to a hospital himself.

Which makes sense. It would be different if like Atlas proposed, you premeditatedly murder the rapist of your child after they walked in court after the fact.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes that would be the "defense of others" I'm referring to.

Forgot to mention that in this case the man's daughter was only 5, and totally unable to defend herself.

It would be different if like Atlas proposed, you premeditatedly murder the rapist of your child after they walked in court after the fact.

Yeah, that would not fly. Even in Texas.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that would not fly. Even in Texas.

Lol, you never know with TX.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I love how Texas treats self defense. My ex's house got robbed once, and as they were running away, she grabbed her gun and shot 2 of the guys in the knees.

The police arrived and were just like "good work ma'am" and took em away.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, stand your ground laws. Florida has them too, not sure how many other states do though for defense of property, although if the robbers are literally in the house/yard, you'd arguably have a case for self-defense outside of defense of property.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That rules, good for her.

[–]333i points points [recovered] | Copy Link

You are correct - my post was a little misleading, thank you

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No worries!

[–]dopaff points points [recovered] | Copy Link

If ten horny pedophile men got more pleasure out of raping an underage girl, than she gets displeasure out of it, shouldn't that be forced by the state?

Obviously not. And that Atlas, is why we are Kantians.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What?

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm just gonna go full Godwin on this one and state that I'm fairly sure Hitler was pretty happy with the Holocaust, too. Totally stole that from another thread, but I just couldn't resist.

[–]buarthaDelights in homosexuality6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Doxxing isn't an absolute bad because this doxxing is funny as fuck

plz no dox

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

9 in 10 people enjoy gang rape

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doxxy no doxxy. Doxxy no doxxy.

[–]gasparddelanuit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m going to say it—Rape isn’t an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he’d say it’s quite good, really. 

Well, by that logic, murdering isn't an absolute bad.

That comment appears to have occurred in the context of an abstract philosophical consideration on the subject of rape, not in the context of advocating rape or considering whether rape is acceptable or not.

That's how philosophy works sometimes.

[–]bsutansalt5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's hyperbole to demonstrate why objective morality is a bad thing. I'm somewhat surprised people don't get that. Although I suspect those feigning indignation by so many at the statement are just doing so to have a reason to be outraged over what's really a solid point.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was poorly done. There's no situation where rape is truly justified. If he wanted to demonstrate why objective morality is a bad thing, he would just need to explain how murder isn't always bad or necessarily wrong.

[–]vitringur2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And theft is amoral, since it is just a zero-sum transfer.

I really don't think he thought this through.

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, nothing is absolutely bad. It just needs to be net bad so that you shouldn't do it.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not at all an absolute bad. If someone rapes your daughter is it absolutely bad to kill the rapist? I think not.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, murder isn't always bad.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun30 points31 points  (79 children) | Copy Link

Fisher complained in 2012, “I cannot be honest about my accomplishments or ambitions without ridicule. I am running for a state political position, I’m a high level exec in a franchising company, and I own two business locations in state. I found that stating it simply… nets me negativity on dates if I’m honest.”

This is bad personal branding. You want to communicate attributes/selling points by showing rather than telling.

For example, if you want to perceived as cool, you need to act and be in certain way. And not go around telling people "I'm cool," or "I'm in a band."

Like, walking around telling people "I'm rich and ambitious" is laughable. People who are actually like that have the clothes, the lifestyle, etc. to show that without saying it.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

I'd call it bad social skills. telling people how awesome you are is boorish, and the fact that he doesn't realize that says all I need to know.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun19 points20 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

I'd call it bad social skills.

No argument here. It's absurd that he thinks women's negative response to that is some feminist conspiracy.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

confirms what I've always suspected about the underlying issues that have made terpers romantically unsuccessful

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was not surprised to learn he was a programmer. Issues with social skills seem to be very common in that crowd.

People become what they do, to a certain extent. And it appears like spending all day essentially talking to computers makes it harder to understand effective communication with people.

My brother is a computer scientist, and I've noticed that even though his verbal skills are top-tier, the more into computers he's become, the worse his ability to socialize is.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

One guy

confirms

Lol

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well, he did create TRP.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So what? The statement is still horribly wrong and demonstrates a lack of ability to form logical deductive reasoning. Moreover it evidences a ferocious confirmation bies.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, it doesn't confirm anything. But saying "it's just one guy" isn't exactly accurate since he created the group.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For the purposes of the argument being made it is just one guy. The argument being made was the existence of one guy who acts in ways that you think red pillers act confirms the theory of how they act a a group. That is in it's face absurd and should be mocked.

You defending it is also hilarious (not to mention hypocritical) since you have complained about terpers using that exact same stupid logic that you now defend.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, I was mostly being glib. Obviously the dude doesn't actually represent every person in TRP. He was actually told exactly that by the members of this sub, particularly Atlas, which was a true joy to witness. Buuuuuutt as the dude who created the group, I just think it's telling that he's the sort of guy who angrily tells the world he's a catch when in truth he's probaly not, otherwise he wouldn't be complaining about women. You'd think he'd be the enlightened fully realized alpha, not the guy who still hasn't admitted he's the problem and needs to work on himself.

All that's if this politician is even pk_atheist, which I'm not entirely convinced of.

[–]disposable_pants1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

George Washington was a slave owner. Every American is a slave owner, confirmed.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Washington didn't create America, he was chosen to lead it. If TRP had been formed by a collective and picked him as the leader it'd be different. But this is the guy who created TRP. And apparently he's also RPS, the guy who thinks marital rape isn't real, so my sympathy for him is now diminished even further.

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry but, this really is pretty clear confirmation. In the real world I've seen many men with these exact same issues, statements and ideologies and none of them were nearly as attractive or successful as they either thought or wished they were.

I still gave TRPs the benefit of the doubt because hey, I've never met every man on earth right? But the fact that the whole thing was founded by exactly such a man blows any sort of reservation of judgment right out of the water.

This, in conjunction with things I've already experienced wrt men IRL is all the confirmation I personally need.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn, I expected better from you of all people. Lets break down exactly how hilariously terrible that argument is.

First you have a theory about a certain type of men. You have met a bunch of them in real life and none of them were red pillers. You propose that red pillers are just such men, because ...reasons. Next you find out that one red piller is like that (possibly, it's not confirmed that it's him) You then conclude that all red pillers are like that because you have a ferocious confirmation bies that only requires one person to behave in a way you expected and suddenly all of them are like that.

The most ironic part (and hypocritical) is that I'm sure you have made fun of red pillers many times for using that same retarded logic.

"I know some women in RL that are like that and look at this example, that confirms it, confirmas AWALT"

Sound dumb? It's because it is dumb. That is the same logic you are using. Just pointing it at a different group.

As for the "founder" excuse. hahahahaah aha ha hahha Nobody had even heard about that guy before this thread. He is just the random dude that happened to register the name trp on reddit. If not then point to me what red pill theory he is responsible for. What influential article or book he wrote. No? Nothing?

Now just think if you pointed that logic at racial groups. Now that would be hilarious.

[–]gasparddelanuit4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

confirms what I've always suspected about the underlying issues that have made terpers romantically unsuccessful

That's a very methodical approach you have there. One guy's view and unique experience proves what you projected all along.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

that one guy is the founder.

[–]gasparddelanuit2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

that one guy is the founder.

So? One guy, even the founder, does not indicate or determine how other guys who visit his forum behave.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

my observations are based on how the other guys on the forum behave. the fact that the founder displays the same lack of social awareness is just especially tasty.

[–]gasparddelanuit2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

my observations are based on how the other guys on the forum behave. the fact that the founder displays the same lack of social awareness is just especially tasty.

Your observations, no doubt, also ignore factors like hypergamy, Briffaults Law, female solipsism and more generally female psychology and physiology.

You don’t know how these guys behave. You only have an impression of how they behave.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's easy to tell when someone doesn't have a good grasp of social mores.

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Irrelevant

[–]wholesomedude1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

confirms what I've always suspected about the underlying issues that have made terpers romantically unsuccessful

I just want to know...so what? If they're on The Red Pill, then they must have something holding them back, and you've found that thing to be lack of social skills. That's a real reason for why a lot of people who struggle in dating struggle. Why is this so profound to you?

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean...duh. If men were people focused they'd most all get pussy no problem.

[–]gasparddelanuit2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I'd call it bad social skills. telling people how awesome you are is boorish, and the fact that he doesn't realize that says all I need to know.

Bad social skills, for a man. Women are renowned for doing this, yet we always hear how superior women’s social skills are compared to men’s. Successful women, and even many unsuccessful ones, feel no shame in boasting about how amazing, smart, talented, powerful, beautiful, independent and successful they are. As with men, it betrays an insecurity and is not a good look, yet no one in the blue pill world calls women out on this. They basically encourage it. It’s even celebrated at its extreme, in the form of divas.

Ironically, it’s this arrogance, entitlement and lack of humility that puts men off modern women, yet women can’t figure out why they can't get a man. So much for their superior social skills.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

there are subsets of people who adhere to different standards of decorum... divas are like the female version of rappers. For normal people-- not Kim and Kanye-- that behavior is considered boorish.

[–]gasparddelanuit1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

there are subsets of people who adhere to different standards of decorum... divas are like the female version of rappers. For normal people-- not Kim and Kanye-- that behavior is considered boorish.

No, the entitled and arrogant attitude amongst women is standard in the mainstream. They’ve been brought up on Oprah, Dr Phil, Steve Harvey, Wendy Williams, The View, The Talk etc., not to mention the gynocentric spin throughout most mainstream movies and media. My point was that even the extreme end of this, in the form of the diva, is celebrated.

Women have been brought up on the spoilt idea that men are here to please them because they are so awesome, merely for existing. It’s up to the man to prove that he is worthy of a woman’s attention. When men dare venture that women ought to reciprocate if they want men’s attention or dare to question what women have to offer, women are up in arms.

In any case, the point of my post was to highlight the double standard in how male and female bragging is received.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

your sources are Oprah and Dr. Phil? people who exist to capitalize on overwrought, digestible scare pieces for old people?

lol, you guys crack me up. anyway, I haven't seen accepted, celebrated "diva" behavior IRL. those women get called out by their girlfriends.

[–]gasparddelanuit1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

your sources are Oprah and Dr. Phil? people who exist to capitalize on overwrought, digestible scare pieces for old people?

No, my source is how women behave throughout Western culture. The arrogance, entitlement and attitude they express, in person and across all media platforms.

lol, you guys crack me up. anyway, I haven't seen accepted, celebrated "diva" behavior IRL. those women get called out by their girlfriends.

Beyoncé “Put a Ring on It” Knowles is not getting called out nor is Gwen "Ain't Nothin' Goin' on But the Rent" Gutherie. They’re considered icons and are celebrated. Even crazy nutters like Mariah Carey are held up as examples to follow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

yes, celebrities are held to different standards than ordinary folks

[–]gasparddelanuit1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

yes, celebrities are held to different standards than ordinary folks

What is celebrated in the mainstream has a huge impact on what ordinary folks aspire to and what is considered acceptable. That translates to society. Diva type behaviour is common in ordinary women too. That link I posted of kids behaving like divas was even seen as a good way of promoting their message, nevermind that the message was full of lies anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

again, it's a clickbait piece. you should try going out into the real world

[–]scallopkidCardio bunny 🐇0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, "bad personal branding" is kind of a subset of "bad social skills."

[–]bsutansalt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's the opposite. He was saying that he CAN'T bring that stuff up to women as doing so works against him. Women do tend to appreciate a man who's accomplished like that, but the guy himself can't just brag about it like you said.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and he's blaming that on women rather than, you know, standards of decorum.

[–]writingtochucow6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I love that this is your response. And I <3 u.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

😘

[–]writingtochucow6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see u not upvoting me. It hurts.

[–]TheOneTrueMagnet points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Even the quote mentions that this is on dates. "What do you do?" is easily the most asked question when meeting people in general. This goes doubly for dates. He is stating that when he shows women he has money, they tend to put him in the provider category instead of the stud category.

[–]OfSpock4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

But not answering is socially weird.

It's also something people with good jobs brag about so not answering implies a poor answer.

[–]TheOneTrueMagnet points points [recovered] | Copy Link

I will give you an example of lines that I often use.

Her: So what do you do for a living? Me: I beg for money at the intersection of X and Y.

or

Me: I herd cats between here and Oklahoma City.

or

Me: I work as a receptionist for a call-in fortune teller.

Throughout the night, she will ask me from time to time. It actually builds suspense with little effort. You can have fun with it throughout the evening.

[–]OfSpock4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You sound like you're dodging the question. You either have a crappy job or a boring one.

[–]TheOneTrueMagnet points points [recovered] | Copy Link

It only seems that way because we are typing over the internet. It is all about delivery. You are right though. I work in a very specialized hard science field. It is incredibly boring to most people.

[–]OfSpock3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

No, it really doesn't. When you ask a question and don't get the answer it seems really dodgy. Yes, conversation can flow away, which is why you might try a second time (especially if the conversation falters) but it's way more suspicious than "I work for the government/in IT etc.

[–]TheOneTrueMagnet points points [recovered] | Copy Link

I have used this many, many times, and not just in reference to my job. It works with all but the most cynical women whom you should avoid anyhow. As long as you can read the atmosphere and make it fun, you can do almost anything. If you are autistic, it doesn't matter what you do.

If you treat a date like a job interview / survey, don't be surprised when she treats it like one.

[–]OfSpock2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How does it work long term? How long have you kept your job a secret? I can see a ONS not particularly caring but most women would want to know

[–][deleted]  (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]bsutansalt1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're using logic. Flirting and building chemistry isn't.

[–]OfSpock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And Robin Williams could probably make this funny. Most people, not really. Maybe it just doesn't translate well to text. Because he sounds lie someone who tells unfunny jokes and laughs at them.

[–]bsutansalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends. Handling it as a shit test is usually the best course of action as it's funner than offering up boring facts. This process is also referred to by another word: flirting.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is heavily advisable for men to not answer this question, especially if they are in a job that screams provider. Not only do you avoid being put in that box immediately, you can do it in a way that is teasing and maintains some mystery.

In general I agree with you here.

[–]IRaiseMyKids2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If he did have a large soft harem then it works though. He pandered to exactly what today's modern slattern wanted.

[–]Reed_49831 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What if they ask you what you do for a living and you tell them that? Is that bad too?

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

None of it is "bad." It's a question of how to effectively socialize with others.

[–]Reed_49831 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What should the most effective answer be if a girl asks you what you do for a living and how much money you make.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a general rule, you want to be both vague and playful at first. If nothing else, this invites more conversation with the other person. So saying "I work in advertising" vs. "I'm the senior account director on BBDO's NYC healthcare team, specializing in brand development for clinical-stage molecules." Or making up an obviously fake job that's funny, entertaining, or fodder for banter with the other person.

This also has the benefit of not seceding too much control over the conversation. A date isn't an interview, both people are equals. Some tension and back-and-forth is necessary.

You also want to answer without bragging or seeking validation.

If a girl asks how much money you make right off the bat, that's a pretty huge red flag on a number levels. I would deflect that question somehow, and rethink my interest in them as a person.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Like, walking around telling people "I'm rich and ambitious" is laughable. People who are actually like that have the clothes, the lifestyle, etc. to show that without saying it.

Yet here there's people with actual money, ie Bill Gates, who know it and don't need to show it. And those that are rich/well off but because they don't have real money like Bill they feel the need to show off as if they do. The key difference is really the presentation. As if you look at any person with real money they by and large dress down and not if you will peacock/show off.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yet here there's people with actual money, ie Bill Gates, who know it and don't need to show it.

Bill Gates lives in a house that took 7 years to build and cost $63 million dollars. He's constantly surrounded by private security. Trust me, he's not "one of the people" and that would be obvious from even a momentary encounter with him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guess I should made it more clear, look at how he dresses. Its largely business causal and when he does wear a suit its not flashy. Nothing about him is flashy least in person. That is more what I am talking about here. People like him with real money don't have the need to show off that they have money, they know they do. Its the people just below them that need to show off to say they have money. Its pretty noticable actually. Hell Trump is a prime example of this, as look at how flashy he is to say he is rich.

[–]bsutansalt0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

One of the things we've learned at TRP and in pickup in general is that bragging is bad. Showing off is also not so good. What's better is other people in your social circle doing the bragging for you to the woman you're interested in, and then the person in question playing coy/humble.

The juxtaposition is much more powerful for coming off in an attractive manner rather than as a giant tool which is what tends to happen when a guy says look at these really awesome things I have! It's try-hard at best.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're saying no, but then agreeing with my comment...?

[–]bsutansalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fixed. I was in a rush earlier and missed some stuff.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂21 points22 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Didn't that guy pop in here within the past year? I remember Atlas putting him in his place lol

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I was there for that. I was looking for the creator of TRP and found him, then I see the same username in PPD having a dick measuring contest with Atlas and it was after a couple years or so of an empty post history. Strange day...

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Link please!

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

he argued with me on pk_atheist because i have RPS on ignore

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are they the same? I didn't read the article...

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ohhhhhhhhh another doxxing

savage

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't find it. I remember they were arguing about something that I guess he wrote and then he pulled the "Do you know who I am?" and atlas pulled the "I don't give a shit." and he ignored my "Holy shit! I thought you were dead".

My memory could be hazy, but it was along those lines.

[–]AsYouPleasedBigDaddy5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

reminds me of when women typically chime in, just to hear themselves speak. You must think you had a salient point in there, since nobody here tells you no. But really, your chatter is inane.

Wow, what a charmer.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you read anything other than that one quote, he's the most sensible one in the conversation.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If anyone has links to this I wanna see

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Saaaaame

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]IckyStickyPoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember that thread. That was my topic, back when I was StickItInTheToilet.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a vague recollection of that as well.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoa.

[–]the_calibre_cat10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wellp. He's deservedly doomed.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS37 points38 points  (123 children) | Copy Link

Soooo... can we now finally put the disingenuous bluepiller claim that doxxing isn't an actual risk to rest?

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say that's a blue pill claim. A lot of people in various groups go the pics or it didn't happen route. And most of us here maintain a level of discretion when it comes to revealing who we are because it's the Internet. And the Internet is a dangerous place for personal information. Especially if you run in controversial circles.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

thank you and i'm a feminist / blue piller. doxxing is toxic asf

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is toxic to say the least. I wonder if its tied into something deeper that gets people so round up to target someone and doxx them.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂6 points7 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

When do bluepillers claim doxxing isn't a legitimate risk?

[–]disposable_pants23 points24 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

TBP: "If you guys aren't a bunch of fat lazy neckbeards, and actually work out, post pics and prove it."

TRP: "Doxxing is a thing."

TBP: "Gosh, we would never do that!"

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay, that is an imaginary conversation.

I'd ask if you have an actual example, but I'm certain some BPers genuinely don't believe Doxxing is a risk. There are almost certainly examples out there of BPers, and maybe even some RPers and non-pillers, that hold this opinion.

It is not a majority viewpoint though, most posters understand the risk and understand if someone is hesitant to, for example, post a picture of themself. That doesn't mean we won't ask about personal things, but everyone seems to be pretty understanding when someone refuses to share personal info due to fear of doxxing.

I don't personally care, I happily share things that would make me identifiable if anyone wanted to bother, but I certainly don't expect everyone to be so carefree.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

that is an imaginary conversation

No, it's a summary of countless conversations that happen on here all the time. Here's an example in the wild from this thread:

if I were out here posting vainglorious stories here about how hot I am I'd fully expect people to jump all over me. telling someone to put up or shut up is a totally normal and accepted way to handle a braggart.

And another:

There would be no problems with r/TheRedPill or The Red Pill itself if every male who was speaking on it's behalf could back up how attractive and successful they claim to be.

The first is outright demanding that red pillers "put up or shut up;" and the second dangles the same kind of bait. Anyone who's been around here as long as you will have seen many similar conversations in the past.

It may not be a majority demand from blue pillers, but it's far from rare, either.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay, that is an imaginary conversation.

I'd ask if you have an actual example, but I'm certain some BPers genuinely don't believe Doxxing is a risk. There are almost certainly examples out there of BPers, and maybe even some RPers and non-pillers, that hold this opinion.

No, it's a summary of countless conversations that happen on here all the time. Here's an example in the wild from this thread:

Did you just stop reading after six words? I acknowledged that it happens.

Who cares? If someone asks for personal info and you don't want to share, then don't. If someone's an asshole about it, they're an asshole regardless of their pill.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you just stop reading after six words?

Did you?

It may not be a majority demand from blue pillers, but it's far from rare, either.

It doesn't matter if they're an asshole for asking, plenty of blues ask anyway. It's not imaginary, and it's not uncommon. So the question "oh when have blue pillers ever actually done that" has a very firm answer.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So the question "oh when have blue pillers ever actually done that" has a very firm answer.

Yes, but I didn't ask that question. I acknowledged that it happens in my original comment.

[–]funny_lyfeMostly rational6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly why I am hesitant to post any pictures, proofs without a lot of blacking out. Not worth losing my professional reputation. Lot of autistic left wingers out to shame people. I can fuck up anyone's name if I want as the first link on Google as long as their name isn't super common. So I assume plenty of other people also know how to do shit like this.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lot of autistic left wingers out to shame people.

Same with right wingers as well.

I can fuck up anyone's name if I want as the first link on Google as long as their name isn't super common.

Even if it was common, you likely be able to find something to narrow it down. But for some of us even if we have a common name and that even say something personal without additional info you will never find us. I mean my co-workers know what actual city I live in and my first and last name. But I tell them if they google me they find nothing without my middle name which is one not on my name tag and two I don't give out.

[–]funny_lyfeMostly rational1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really it's not hard to even even find who someone is without them giving out personal information. Just need the right knowledge and enough motivation.

It's ridiculous that people have to deal with shit like this. And I say this as someone socially liberal. This is why I want nothing to do with most of the idiots in either camp.

[–]rulenumber3030 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

TBP: "If you guys aren't a bunch of fat lazy neckbeards, and actually work out, post pics and prove it." TRP: "Doxxing is a thing." TBP: "Gosh, we would never do that!"

I thought the conversation usually went...

TBP: "If you guys aren't a bunch of fat lazy neckbeards, and actually work out, post pics and prove it." TRP: "Doxxing is a thing." TBP: "Gosh, you can't all of you except a tiny handful of guys trying to make money off TRP be scared of that... I mean surely some of you self reported alpha he-men rulers-of-the-universe look-at-the-amused-mastery I-bench-more-plates-than-a-class-picnic-has types are the same person online as off and don't give a flying fuck who knows you're terping through life?" TRP "But doxxing." TRP "But ALL of you?"

[–]disposable_pants1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"But ALL of you?"

I think you're trying to say something along the lines of "well shouldn't there be some 'I don't give a fuck' red pillers who will doxx themselves anyway, just because they truly don't care that much?"

That would just be stupid, obviously. There's being alpha, and then there's being a complete dumbass who voluntarily destroys their career for nothing more than internet validation. The fact that there aren't idiots like that on TRP is a point in its favor.

[–]IRaiseMyKids8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

TBP and SRS have some serious overlap. And SRS loves doxxing and Swatting.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

People from SRS and TBP get doxxed too. We need to stop pretending this problem is limited to one side.

[–]duderocker964 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One side does it much more than the other side........ Why pretend it is equal?

[–]disposable_pants2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why pretend it is equal?

Because then they can whitewash their own, far more egregious shitty behavior with the "but both sides do it" false equivalency.

Just look at how Trump supporters defend him whenever he tells bald-faced, easily disprovable, objectively untrue lies. "Oh, all politicians lie." Yeah, using an unemployment figure you don't agree with is exactly the same as denying you made a statement that's still up on Twitter.

[–]duderocker961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trump supporters < Liberals

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You linked to your own comment. Please actually show me an example of a blue pill person saying doxxing isn't a big deal. Red pill people try to doxx too. I had to abandon my last account because of it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There have been Mods that were doxxed and users - TBP laughed their butts off repeatedly. Doxxing is a risk, and TBP doesn't shy away from laughing, and yes in some of those threads - they also mention how it sucks - and then continue talking about the person and the whole situation. I can't link to several of the threads because they are talking about a doxxed a user and mentioning other usernames the person may or may not use.

This is one example of something that happened to a great user, that made one mistake.

Regardless of whether or not BP (or any user) is laughing their butt off when doxxing happens does not change the fact that they will talk about it, and any notions of "aww shucks" do not negate subsequent criticisms, judgments etc that normally happen. The person is still scared and doxxed and worried about what could happen. The presence or absence of "feeling bad" has nothing to do with anything if the topic is still talked about and spread.

"Show me people laughing" misses the point entirely. It's not about laughter (although obviously the people that do laugh suck), it's about sharing and spreading the information.

Even when a person has not been doxxed, TBP user's can be shitheads. A user's SO died once, and on the thread she posted looking for support - a BP user swanned in and said "that's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket." To the credit of TBP moderation team - when I went to them they were pretty good about responding and taking action (the user that posted the comment on the RP sub was banned).

There doesn't have to be a hoard of people snickering and laughing (although please don't pretend this is something people don't do), for damage to be spread so the problem is exacerbated. It seems disingenuous to say "as long as people are stating that it's wrong that the person was doxxed when they're talking about it then it's okay" because that completely misses the actual point. Nice words or mean words are irrelevant because the discussion is happening and the information being allowed to spread.

I hesitated to comment on this thread at all because I absolutely hate that this person was doxxed and that it's a huge conversation. Even if they have other, undiscovered aliases, that hardly matters because your real identity only has to be exposed once in connection to a community and that's it really. I am not a fan of many RP user's (for various reasons), but being doxxed is not something I would wish on anyone. It's horrible.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm aware, I've been doxxed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry that happened to you, and I hope you didn't face any negative consequences in your personal life as a result.

Can you share how you were doxxed (without giving away revealing details of course)? Posting on a particular sub, disclosing information you thought was otherwise innocuous, sharing a picture?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You linked to your own comment.

Yeah, so the discussion stays in the same thread.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's already in the same thread.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry: comment chain.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

yup.. we dont

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

tbp doxxed an old rpw mod

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

thats fucked up it wasn't while i was lerking tho.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry1 point2 points  (84 children) | Copy Link

When and where have bloopers claimed that?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS14 points15 points  (83 children) | Copy Link

There has more than once been the attempt to bait redpillers into posting pictures of themselves (along the lines of "prove that you're as attractive as you claim"), with objections being casually brushed aside.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂12 points13 points  (52 children) | Copy Link

That's not a blue pill thing. I have been solicited countless times over the years to prove I'm actually a woman.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

seriously... so many times i've seen TRPers cackling and suggesting that any non-RPers that don't share pictures are definitely the blue-haired fatties they accuse them of being, and that's why they don't share them. you can either decline to share and get dismissed for being too ugly and scared to send photos, or derail the conversation completely by turning it into a thing about your looks, whether or not they're relevant (usually not). dumb.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

While I don't agree with trying to bait someone into divulging personal information of that sort (the most you'll get from me is an ironic "pix plx" if someone claims to be particularly attractive), there's still the thing that a redpiller who is identified IRL risks having his reputation and career destroyed. And this btw regardless of what he has said - guilt by association would be enough.

Come back when you can credibly claim the same.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

maybe some BPers or non-RPers don't have to risk their reputations or careers; depends on which ones. i think that's true for the other pills too; some will need to worry, some won't. but either way, they'll likely have to endure harassment and death/rape threats though, which gets pretty serious once some personal/location information gets dispersed to a group like TRP or the manosphere. men with serious anger problems, revenge fantasies, a love for violence, a bone to pick, and your name and address (or even workplace address). what could go wrong?

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Case in point: Anita Sarkeesian.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I used to hear tits or gtfo lel. I "passed" as male for years online in many spaces esp 4chan.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Another such space is video games. For example about a third of the Call of Duty players are women, but the gender gap in the voice chat is much larger.

[–]metaltriteMagenta Pill4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

source? seems really really improbable

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Question: have you ever played Call of Duty?

Out of everyone asked, a third of those who said yes were women.

So a third of all call of duty players are women. That's the logic.

[–]metaltriteMagenta Pill1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

so are you saying it's anecdotal? I used to come across like one woman a month back when I was playing everyday myself.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to come across like one woman a month back when I was playing everyday myself.

How do you know the gender of players unless they use the voice chat?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah I'm just saying it's bullshit. They always create polls that are deliberately worded to produce misleading results to promote their agenda.

It's the same idea as that stupid statistic that said the majority of gamers were women, but only because they counted playing games on your smartphone as 'gaming'.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What seems improbable? That women would be playing video games or that they wouldn't use names that could identify them as women or that they don't use the voice chat as often?

I've heard it at some game convention, but don't have any concrete facts at hand right now. Only this one that says that women gamers make up the userbase of a third of FPS in general or this one that says that a third of all Diablo 3 players are female

I did find something related to CoD, but I can't find any new statistics right now, but in 2011 a fifth of Call of Duty players were women, but that was before they included female soldiers and made it more appealing to women. Could also be lower than a third; I don't even know if I remember it correctly but it's above a fifth because I distinctly remember that more and more women were entering that market.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it kind of fucked up that I'm partly questioning my gender identity in my mid 30s because of these identity-shaping experiences growing up?

[–]wholesomedude0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What did you used to do on 4chan?

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lurk

[–]disposable_pants4 points5 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

That's not a blue pill thing.

Blue pillers do it. It's irrelevant whether they are the only ones who do it. It's also a bit of a stretch to suggest that red pillers are trying to doxx blue pillers -- the whole idea behind doxxing is that you can whip up public anger at someone, and what blue pill idea would the masses get angry at?

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂9 points10 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

No the point of doxxing is to inflict real world consequences. Like people calling your employer to tell them you're a feminist whore.

[–]disposable_pants2 points3 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

...which would inflict exactly zero real world consequences on the employee. If anything, the employer is going to sympathize with the employee because someone is obviously harassing them.

You can't doxx people using their belief in popular ideas. If someone calls your employer and says "he believes in god and goes to church every Sunday!!1!1" your employer isn't going to give a shit.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂4 points5 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

If an employee causes a wave of harassing phone calls, they can easily be deemed a problem. And having someone contact all your relatives calling you a whore causes problems. Stop trying to imply people on the blue pill side of things are immune from the threats doxxing can pose.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Now I have absolutely no doubt that you are a woman. No man ever born had the ability to hamster the way you do. To suggest, in the wildest hypothetical situation, that being outed as a feminist has anywhere near the real-world ramifications as being outed as anti-feminist, is hamstering at its finest. I tip my fedora to you, milady.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not about being "outed" as a feminist, it's about having a professional work environment compromised for whatever reason, in my case because I was a feminist. Were you one of my gender doubters? Lol

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

It'd be inconvenient, sure, but it's highly unlikely anyone is going to blame Delilah Doxxed because they're getting calls insulting her for being a feminist. They're going to feel sympathetic first and foremost, because they probably buy into the popular idea themselves. It's no different from how religious people rally around other religious people when they perceive them as attacked.

But any discussion of a blue piller suffering from doxxing is completely hypothetical. We're looking at a bona fide example of a red piller getting doxxed by a major media company with the express purpose of derailing his career. If there's ever been anything remotely comparable from the blue side of things, let's see it.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂5 points6 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Did you not read my comment upthread? I got doxxed about four years ago. It sucked ass.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ding ding ding

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

..which would inflict exactly zero real world consequences on the employee. If anything, the employer is going to sympathize with the employee because someone is obviously harassing them.

Do you know how jobs work? LOL.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah -- unless you have a shitty boss and a shitty minimum-wage job, any reasonable employer is going to recognize that a few days of people calling in with mean things to say isn't your fault. Unless you're completely, instantly replaceable it makes no sense to fire you over random people being assholes.

People don't get fired because they hold popular ideas. No one is going to fire an employee because a few people call in and harass them for being Christian or feminist or believing in democracy. If you're so convinced this happens, link to an example.

[–]DB605Everyone's a BlackPill in the end1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are no women on the internet until proven GoneWild.

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm actually a woman

Prove it.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Prove it.

SHOW US YER TITS

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Which you don't have to do

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And I haven't.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Links?

edited: I've been asked the same exact thing by Incels and redpillers before as well. It's not a unique trait to bluepillers. I don't doubt that bluepillers have done this, but that doesn't mean that only bluepillers do this -_-

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Are you fucking kidding me? I tend to bookmark my own comments for recycling, not every bullshit other people say in an attempt to be smartass.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Read edited coment

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

edited: I've been asked the same exact thing by Incels and redpillers before as well. It's not a unique trait to bluepillers. I don't doubt that bluepillers have done this, but that doesn't mean that only bluepillers do this -_-

Yeah, the difference being that the doxxing fallout for redpillers is a weee bit harsher than it is for Joe Everyman - as we can see here.

And this still didn't stop smartasses from attempting to bait redpillers into divulging sensitive information about themselves.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't really answer my question.... where have bluepillers made the claim that doxxing isn't a risk, and how is this claim only unique to bluepillers?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Those bluepillers who attempted to bait redpillers sure as hell didn't think of doxxing as a tangible risk, or otherwise they wouldn't have tried to turn it into a game of chicken.

And, as I said to smurf: for us it simply is far riskier than it is for you.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those bluepillers who attempted to bait redpillers sure as hell didn't think of doxxing as a tangible risk, or otherwise they wouldn't have tried to turn it into a game of chicken.

But what if they tried to bait them into posting pics because they wanted to dox them? Dun-dun-dunnn

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

We can bookmark comments?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The save option right under your comment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, not on this app. I'm usually mobile

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

This is fucked up and dishonorable... NABPALT tho.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I don't assume that those who did it intended to use it to doxx redpillers (at least I hope so, with some of you guys one can't know), but it certainly was an underhanded tactic to score cheap points in these discussions, with the occasional accusation of cowardice thrown in.

I.e. ironically it did everything bluepillers claim to hate - shaming people for not conforming to traditional norms of masculinity, for unattractiveness, or for both.

But as I said: Now that we have tangible proof that you're really risking your future if you offer too many insights about your life, we can shut this bullshit up for good.

[–]SmurfESmurferson5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

So don't share pics if it makes you uncomfortable.

I'm the first to admit that I pic swap in IRC (including with TRPers whom I disagree with on almost every point), but I'm aware of what I'm doing. I'm also friends with a few on FB.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm the first to admit that I pic swap in IRC (including with TRPers whom I disagree with on almost every point), but I'm aware of what I'm doing.

Counterquestion: What could realistically happen to you even if someone was able to connect your reddit alias with your RL persona?

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not SmurfESmurferson, but I'd like to answer this as well.

They wouldn't do anything. Because if I discovered one day that somebody was stalking me, Imma stalk the shit outta that stalker in return. I've always wanted to stalk a stalker!

que laughter of insanity

[–]SmurfESmurferson1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

To me? Friends cracking some jokes, most likely - I don't say anything online that wouldn't come out of my mouth IRL.

I'd be a touch worried about my husband's job, but (realistically) he's in an Old Boys Club industry, so I think they'd be more confused about what Reddit actually is than what I say.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So in other words, nothing serious. Now imagine how Fisher feels right now, assuming the article is factually accurate.

And this is what I mean with doxxing being an actual risk for redpillers. I have plenty of personas on other forums where doxxing wouldn't even remotely be an issue for me simply because there isn't really anything controversial there. Here it's different, and this is only really the case for one side.

[–]SmurfESmurferson5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm agreeing with you - if you're uncomfortable sharing, for whatever reason, then don't share. There are some blue folks on IRC that don't share, either.

Fisher's big mistake was making those comments as a public figure - this is an anonymous sub, sharing pics and info isn't necessary. He could have taken some additional steps to protect his identity, as pointed out elsewhere.

He didn't. And while he didn't deserve the media storm for his questionable decisions (especially given that these are his private thoughts), he should have had the foresight to know that his public status would make him a target if he ever did get doxxed.

I'm actually a little surprised he left such an obvious trail of breadcrumbs.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its a great question because in most of our risk management stuff they remind is not to fuck with losers.

They have nothing better to do than drag you into their own shit. Having nothing to lose says a lot about your value.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

if I were out here posting vainglorious stories here about how hot I am I'd fully expect people to jump all over me. telling someone to put up or shut up is a totally normal and accepted way to handle a braggart.

if they'd gone out and found that person's pictures and outed them/posted without permission that would be fucked up, but that's not the case as far as I know.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

if they'd gone out and found that person's pictures and outed them/posted without permission that would be fucked up, but that's not the case as far as I know.

Yeah, but that's kinda the point. Even if you yourself would never intend to use a person's pictures in order to retrace his or her identity doesn't mean that other people are above that. There's a reason why it's against the rules of this sub to volunteer personal information.

In fact, now that I think of it, there was a redditor who requested specifically my pictures for some weird reason (IIRC it was because she took it quite personally that I claimed to not be that much into her type and she tried to score a cheap comeback). The thread got shut down, and I think she was banned because she tried this more than once. Or she left on her own, who knows.

But yeah, divulging personal information of that sort is a no-no on PPD.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

my point is that telling someone to put up or shut up is a way to shut down bragging, not necessarily a legitimate request.

other than that I agree... I've had a few people from here DM me unsolicited pics to get an opinion and even though I'd never, ever do anything with them it still made me feel squicky having them there and attached to their usernames at all. like, if they got sent to the wrong person they might not be used for earnest "do you think I look ok?" purposes.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Our generation (later millennials and x) has known of the evils of doxxing for a long time. But today, kids 18-25 don't know about these things because selfie world is everywhere. It used to be that on the internet, nobody knew you were a cat.

Kids 18-25 are much more non-retarded though about issues regarding racism, sexism and classism.

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nope, you don't get to say that in good faith.

Guess how many times blue pillers have been told they're obese, rainbow-haired and ugly - and told it's up to them to prove otherwise.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're the fifth person who has to be reminded that the consequences of being exposed as a redpiller are a weee bit different than those a bluepiller would have to suffer.

Or could you in good faith reasonably claim that what happened to PK_Atheist in the OP could also happen to a bluepiller?

(on an ideological basis. Those here who claim to be prostitutes or porn stars or what would also be severely at risk if they were exposed, but not because they're doubleplusungoodthinkful)

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're the fifth person who has to be reminded that the consequences of being exposed as a redpiller are a weee bit different than those a bluepiller would have to suffer.

Which should tell you something about the context of the point you made. You simply said that blue pillers try to dox red pillers. It was a ridiculous point about jokes about 'pix or we don't believe you'.

Or could you in good faith reasonably claim that what happened to PK_Atheist in the OP could also happen to a bluepiller?

That should also tell you something. If the activities of someone fall below what's expected by a decent society, then being "exposed" is a different matter. Members of the klu klux klan didn't want to be exposed either. I'm not comparing the red pill with the KKK. The red pill and manosphere have "some" legitimate grievances, but for fucks sake, if they want to be given any respect by the wider community, they need to cut out references to rape and women only being good for housework and sex and women being children etc etc etc. If it's a community of men honestly bewildered and angry and upset, then it would help to start a community that has honest intentions, not a community that wants to foster hate against women.

doubleplusungoodthinkful

Women suck. Men good. We sad. We mad.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You simply said that blue pillers try to dox red pillers.

Apparently you didn't read what I wrote.

If the activities of someone fall below what's expected by a decent society, then being "exposed" is a different matter.

Sorry, I live in Germany - and up until a year ago, it was even impossible to make a perfectly valid and legitimate critique of our immigration policy without being labeled as a borderline Nazi. And (anonymous) surveys from late 2015 said that more than half of those questioned said that they felt that it would be better to keep one's sincere opinion about that subject under wraps.

What I want to say here: just because uttering certain opinions gets you ostracized due to politics/culture/media having a one-sided bias and using their power to push out any alternative narrative, thus giving off the impression that only one side exists and the other is just a fringe group (and also doesn't really have a right to exist).

I mean, think of Donglegate: a guy listened to a presentation. He made a dick joke to his friend. An extremely thin-skinned feminist who sat behind them and apparently needed more credentials in her fight against the patriarchy took a picture of these guys and tweeted (or FB'd or whatever) something hysterical about how guys like that are responsible that we don't have women in tech (bonus points for having made dick jokes herself before). As a consequence, the guy got fired.

Why did the guy get fired for this? Because the issue at hand was so terrible? Certainly not. I have an alternative explanation: Because the media has pushed the narrative of the sexist STEM boyclub that refuses to let women into their ranks to such a ridiculous extent that this guy's superiors were afraid they would expose themselves to another witch hunt if they didn't lay him off.

Do I think that RP ideas are majority-compatible? No.

But do I think that being publicly flogged by a united front of media and politics doesn't automatically invalidate what you're saying? Definitely.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

[–]BPremiumMeh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seconded

[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn. Nigga just got s heavy doxxxx

[–]darla101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who else are they trying to dox?

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse14 points15 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Pretty disturbed at the amount of doxxing going on on the part of The Daily Beast.

[–]purpleppparmchair evo psych8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

was it the daily beast that published an article doxxing olympic athletes through grindr?

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably. Lol grindr

[–]purpleppparmchair evo psych8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah iirc their 'journalist' set up a fake grindr profile to bait the athletes. the article has been retracted from their site.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's just shitty

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

No, I think he's saying this article sucked because the author couldn't even link to pk_atheist's new username, which alreadyredschool knows.

I'm more disturbed that a state representative thinks rape isn't always bad (if the rapist likes it) and that he also founded TRP which is a super toxic place that hurts men, women and children alike.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||[🍰] 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

[citation needed]

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

You can find all the citation you need on MRP.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||[🍰] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No, I can't. If I was you, and read the posts and comments that you did, that would be all the citation I need. I'm not you, and I won't make the same leaps of logic you did. I could read all the posts and comments on MRP, and never come to the same conclusion that you did. It's completely subjective. It's just your opinion. So, as to your assertion that TRP is a super toxic place that hurts men, women and children, [citation fucking needed].

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, I can't. If I was you, and read the posts and comments that you did, that would be all the citation I need. I'm not you, and I won't make the same leaps of logic you did. I could read all the posts and comments on MRP, and never come to the same conclusion that you did. It's completely subjective.

One thing in life that isn't subjective at all is a divorce. It's pretty objective. LOL.

[citation fucking needed]

Do your homework. You aren't my professor, there's no grade involved, and citation is actually not needed because this is an informal conversation, not an article, not a term paper. Bunch of angry little men, all pissed off because we now have our own Terpygate with its very own Terpyleaks, and because your founder is a piece of shit who lies to the people he represents. Christ on a bike, LOL. I thought women were the emotional ones.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||[🍰] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Go back to r/TheBluePill. You have nothing to offer PPD.

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you in charge of PPD?

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||[🍰] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you been banned yet? That should answer your question.

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would I be banned? Because you demanded citation for something that's common sense and I refused? Grow up.

[–]DB605Everyone's a BlackPill in the end2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP which is a super toxic place that hurts men, women and children alike.

How...

[buckles in]

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

...children?

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's been a huge wave in divorce over the MRP. There was even a post over there about it, which I probably won't find now, but there was. Not sure if it's recent or if it was always that way and I just now started noticing (probably the latter). Yes, children get hurt in divorce cases; perhaps they are the ones hurting the most, in fact.

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about New Hampshire, but privacy laws are often different for public figures

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Its not the law that determines whether or not something is ethical.

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

But it determines what is legal. And borderline expected.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

People who live like that are like sea slugs inside a pen, blindly following where the fence leads them. It's like they're not really living as citizens but just as denizens of an area.

[–]SmurfESmurferson1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They're lawyers, publicists, managers, etc. There are whole entourages who exist solely to help public figures navigate this.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even lawyers talk about "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law". Common law is supposed to stem from cultural ideas of justice and informal "laws" that predated legislation.

[–]SmurfESmurferson1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whether you like it or not - it's legal. So it's better to guard against it as a public figure, than try to undo damage after it's happened.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscardThat's Mr. Dad to You28 points29 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Anyone who says 'rape isn't an absolute bad' is an arrogant idiot who deserves to lose any platform he/she has and never be listened to again. That's absolutely disgusting.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp11 points12 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

With the caveat that people who do debate often come up with all sorts of weird hypothetical situations where we come up with the good in bad things, and the bad in good things, and just sort of generally talk about stuff that freaks people out

[–]disposable_pants12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Case in point:

  • "Theft is an absolute bad." What if I'm stealing because I have no other way to feed my family?
  • "Driving drunk is an absolute bad." What if I can't call an ambulance, my friend has a life-threatening injury, and he probably won't make it unless I drive him to a hospital?
  • "Killing is an absolute bad." What if I'm killing a terrorist who just hijacked a plane?

You can also come up with even farther out hypotheticals when you start discussing different moral codes. E.g. if you're discussing utilitarianism and the idea of creating the most happiness, you might trot out a hypothetical like "what if one person who really enjoys killing murders three people who are suicidal?" In such a conversation "the murderer probably likes it a lot" is par for the course.

You always need the context of the statement before adequately judging it, especially when it A) sounds outlandish and B) is singled out in an obviously slanted article.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscardThat's Mr. Dad to You4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

In each of the examples you gave, there is a direct and tangible benefit to the action [feeding your family, saving your friend, saving the plane]. There is absolutely no rational or likely example where the same can be said of rape. I'm pretty damn surprised I even I had to say this.

[–]disposable_pants3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Read the rest of my comment:

You can also come up with even farther out hypothetical when you start discussing different moral codes. E.g. if you're discussing utilitarianism and the idea of creating the most happiness, you might trot out a hypothetical like "what if one person who really enjoys killing murders three people who are suicidal?" In such a conversation "the murderer probably likes it a lot" is par for the course.

That conversation has been had in countless philosophy classrooms. Are countless philosophy students and professors "arrogant idiots who deserve to never be listened to again" because they entertain the idea that a murderer might derive enjoyment from killing someone?

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscardThat's Mr. Dad to You5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's quite simple. There is utility in even the murder of serial killers thus it can be entertained. That's the line that is crossed. What makes rape / child abuse, etc. a closed-handed issue is that there is nothing redeemable, zero utility, no offsetting virtue (pick whatever you want) to balance the wrongness of it.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What about men that want children but women don't want him?

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscardThat's Mr. Dad to You1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get gud at life so that someone will make babies. People shouldn't fucking rape! It's not a hard concept!

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some men will never get a woman. Ever. Too ugly, short, etc. Bottom like 5-10% of men.

Suppose they could just pay for a surrogate. But my point remains. There is an argument that defends everything.

There are no shoulds. Who's going to enforce it? Your God has abandoned humanity.

[–]disposable_pants2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can make that argument, and I can even agree with you. But do you see how someone might entertain a counterargument, which might produce the quote in question?

Say they're speaking in strictly utilitarian terms, so the only goal is to maximize overall happiness. They don't buy into the idea that there has to be some sort of "offsetting virtue" to justify an action. If Tim really enjoys hitting Bob, would really hate not hitting Bob, and Bob merely dislikes getting hit (it's not some horrible, terrible, life-shattering event), can you at least envision an argument that justifies Tim hitting Bob? Say you have two outcomes:

  1. Tim hits Bob. Tim has a happiness of 10 after this; Bob has a happiness of 4.
  2. Tim does not hit Bob. Tim has a happiness of 5 after this; Bob has a happiness of 6.

The total happiness in the first scenario is 14; it's only 11 in the second. A pure utilitarian would argue that the first scenario is therefore better, and might even use the phrase "Tim probably liked hitting Bob a lot" to support this.

[–]DerEwigeKatzendameThat wasn't cute or funny0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is absolutely no rational or likely example where the same can be said of rape.

Are you saying a sexual emergency doesn't count? /s

[–]scallopkidCardio bunny 🐇3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I would​ make the argument that nothing is "absolute bad" because objective morality isn't real. It's just bad in nearly every human moral frame of reference (including mine, for the record).

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet reddit is chock full of edgy angsty teenagers (some of them in their 30s and 40s) who like to say things like all morals are relative, everything is meaningless, nothing matters, etc. Not to mention the rash of people who out themselves as psychopaths / sociopaths (mostly because they've watched some tv-series and now thinks its way cool).

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It isn't. It's a net bad, not an absolute bad.

[–]Archwinger23 points24 points  (97 children) | Copy Link

You should hear the internet warriors in an uproar about this.

"I hope he's kicked out of office and can't find another job anywhere, even as a grocery sacker. Guys like that have no place in society and deserve to die!"

Internet warriors are scared shitless. Real world evil internet misogynists aren't actually losers in Mom's basement. They're politicians, doctors, lawyers, financial advisors, and even the guy serving you drinks at the bar. Secret evil internet misogynists are hidden among us, and they don't have a tell. They're tricking their way into political office, tricking their way into women's pants, and even tricking their way into friendships and casual conversations with normal people, and NOBODY KNOWS!

People who think wrong thoughts are succeeding at life! The horror!

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You should hear the internet warriors in an uproar about this.

"I hope he's kicked out of office and can't find another job anywhere, even as a grocery sacker. Guys like that have no place in society and deserve to die!"

I have a distinct memory of you once saying you would doxx BPers if you could in the hopes they would lose their job or something. Have you had a change of heart?

[–]Archwinger5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Doxxing is too lenient. I would show up in my trenchcoat and fedora and skillfully seduce them. Even the guys. Because The Red Pill isn't sexist. I would totally be temporarily gay to harm someone who thinks differently than I do on the internet. No homo.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would rape and murder them.

Let's not go there. Even in jest.

[–]Archwinger3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Changed to be at least 15% more PC.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would show up in my trenchcoat and fedora and skillfully seduce them.

MRW when I read this update.

[–]writingtochucow6 points7 points  (74 children) | Copy Link

Real world evil internet misogynists aren't actually losers

They are though.

[–]IRaiseMyKids5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

xxchromosomes is experiencing some serious anxiety over the fact that a member of the redpill is actually successful in life. The only reason I am here is it came up on my /all feed and I though PPD would debating it.

[–]wholesomedude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and I though PPD would debating it

What language is that? I might need to get a translator

[–]Archwinger10 points11 points  (71 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about that. While the angry internet loser is definitely among us, a lot of us have girls we're seeing, some have girlfriends, some even have wives and families. Many are highly educated with good jobs and are well respected in various industry, hobbyist, and peer groups.

Most people would regard this segment of The Red Pill as successful men.

That's the real world. Actual success. Only an internet loser would assert, "But if you think bad stuff inside your head, that makes you a loser regardless! The least successful person in the world who thinks right stuff in his head is better than you!" Reality trumps ideology any day of the week.

That crazy clinging to idealism ranks right up there with "Just be true to yourself, respectful, genuine, and authentic, and you'll find the right girl for you. Probably when you're not even looking!" Ideological masturbation is not real. It's not the real world.

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 4 points5 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Belief in how the world should be is why we've had movements for social change. If everyone acted how some RP folk think we should(with a focus on the self) then we never would have had, for example, a radical change in race relations.

There is a place for cynicism and being idealistic in the real world.

[–]Archwinger12 points13 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

It never ceases to amaze me that if you take liberal ideology to its extreme, you practically end up with religion.

Jesus himself would declare that the meekest of the good people is better than the strongest, wealthiest, most accomplished wicked man in the universe.

While sure, that meek good person will fail and suck ass in the real world, his place in heaven is assured.

Just instead of heaven, you replace God with a sense of self. That unsuccessful person who thinks right things instead of wrong things in his head can smile with self-satisfaction over how he's good inside and true to himself and not evil like those successful assholes.

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 4 points5 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Ok, real talk. What the hell are you talking about? All I said was that there is room in the world for idealism and cynicism. And being idealistic has an impact on the world. If it didn't, a lot of things that do work and improve the lives of people in this world wouldn't work.

You might want to take a step back and reconsider what you're arguing about because you're arguing past what I'm saying. Or get all of what's in your head out in a blog post somewhere or something.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

He's just pointing out the religiosity of your position. Which I mean, feminism derives from Protestantism in many ways so, what a surprise.

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Continue following the comment thread and you'll see applying the concept of religiosity to my views is wrong. And I'm not a feminist.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Continue following the comment thread and you'll see applying the concept of religiosity to my views is wrong.

And I'm not a feminist.

Do you consider yourself an egalitarian and not a feminist? What idealism do you generally like otherwise?

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't consider myself anything. I don't like political and ideological labels because they tend to be used as means to bludgeon one another or parcel people into generic categories. If anything, I consider myself progressive in a general sense.

When it comes to Feminism, I don't consider it as useful as it used to be in today's world. It's too broad, has too much baggage and so forth. I don't follow it closely, I don't study it, I generally ignore it.

I'm not sure what you mean by what idealism. Idealism, in my opinion, doesn't come in flavors. Idealism is a part of humanity. It's what prompts us to explore, to grow, to risk for others and try to improve the lives of those around us. It's, in my opinion, integral to where we are. If the world was only full of cynicism, do you really think that societies would have formed? People focused only on themselves or those closest to them, only acting in means limited to their personal circle, never extending an inch to help those around them?

Idealism is no one thing. It's an intrinsic element of human nature. No one can honestly say they don't have it. They might ignore it most of the time, but idealism is still there. Just as cynicism is and every other aspect of human personality.

[–]Archwinger1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I said:

"The Red Pill isn't (only) a bunch of losers in Mom's basement. It's a lot of men people would consider successful, and it's stupid and crazy to argue idealism over reality, such as: 'But Archwinger, if you think wrong things in your head, you're still a loser. The least successful guy on Earth who thinks right things is better than you.'"

You said:

"But Archwinger, idealism is what leads to positive change."

I, assuming your comment was in response to mine and that you supported the idea that a right-thinking unsuccessful man was better than a wrong-thinking successful one, and assuming that you weren't simply spitting out a general platitude about something that wasn't being discussed, responded:

"Your support of that idea is practically religion, just without Jesus."

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I said idealism leads to positive change. Not that it's the only path to positive change. Unless you honestly think there was no idealism in the push for suffrage or the push for changes in race relations. Or in seeking to improve the lives of gay and trans people. Philanthropy, Doctors without Borders, etc. Idealism is a strong force. That doesn't mean it's infallible or the only path to take. Or even the best path all the time.

It's not a religion when past effects back up the simple fact that it can be useful and that dismissing it out of hand is foolish. It's a common sense look at history and the present day.

I was speaking against your seeming total dismissal of idealism by balancing it with the fact that idealism is useful. Is it the only path? No. Is it always the right path? No. But is it worth throwing away? No. There is no one right path. And idealism and cynicism both have a place in everyone's life. How much a place depends on their situation and circumstances.

Not everything to do with idealism is a platitude. Like I said, you need to step back a moment.

[–]gasparddelanuit0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Ok, real talk. What the hell are you talking about? All I said was that there is room in the world for idealism and cynicism. And being idealistic has an impact on the world. If it didn't, a lot of things that do work and improve the lives of people in this world wouldn't work.

You might want to take a step back and reconsider what you're arguing about because you're arguing past what I'm saying. Or get all of what's in your head out in a blog post somewhere or something.

The dichotomy is not between idealism and cynicism, but idealism and reality. Don’t make the sophomoric mistake that is endemic to mainstream discourse.

To quote George Bernard Shaw.

“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.”

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I've already laid out my views on this throughout is thread. I don't agree with your framing and you don't agree with mine. Idealism isn't fantasy. It's a real aspect of the human condition.

[–]gasparddelanuit0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I've already laid out my views on this throughout is thread. I don't agree with your framing and you don't agree with mine. Idealism isn't fantasy. It's a real aspect of the human condition.

I didn’t say that idealism was fantasy nor do I consider it a bad thing. However, untempered with a sense of reality, it can lead to very bad consequences and even tyranny.

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

The keep reading because many times I say idealism and cynicism are both required. I'm not a pie in the sky idealist. I hold true to how I think things should be, but that doesn't mean I'm unrealistic about the chances of it happening. But that doesn't change how I think things should be. Holding strong ideals and realism can go hand in hand. Some are just bad at mixing the two appropriately.

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair anything related to politics, or any ideology like RP, BP, people treat them like religion. They believe them to a t, and if you insult their believes, all hell breaks loose. At least, that's how I see it, in this subreddit, as well as some political subreddits.

[–]BPremiumMeh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol and many people would view that as a good thing, if we didnt change race relations. Like trumps voting bloc for one example

[–]writingtochucow10 points11 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I just genuinely think that if a person thinks the things that that guy thinks, they're a loser. That isn't the kind of thing happy, fulfilled people think. That kind of disdain for whole swathes of humanity is always a sign of some deeper dysfunction. It's the same for the kind of feminists who truly disdain men, same for racists etc. That thinking always comes from fuckery, never from truth or courage.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But that's mostly your personal opinion, and not how society as a whole sees them.

I didn't like Obama, some people did. Hard to call him a loser tho

[–]writingtochucow5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it is my personal opinion. That's all I ever meant to express. I'm sure there are a ton of people here who think Arch is awesome and aspire to be like him.

society as a whole sees them.

I think a decent chunk of the population reading the stuff this New Hampshire guy is saying, as well as Arch's rants about stupid cunts etc. would probably think they were losers, regardless of what model Merc they drive. (and it doesn't really matter, either way)

I didn't like Obama, some people did. Hard to call him a loser tho

I don't think Obama is a loser because he doesn't appear to make hating half of humanity for a state of being they were born into (femaleness) a thing. I feel the same way about people on the other side, too, you know. I've known women who genuinely thought men were scum. Not just bad men, or men who'd treated her badly. All men. That shit never comes from somewhere truthful or courageous, as I said. It's weak af.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think a decent chunk on the population

Let me stop you right there. Quite frankly another decent chunk would feel the opposite. No one thought Trump would win, yet turns out there was a huge chunk that just wasn't as outspoken

[–]KnowingDoubter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Comrade speaks truth!

[–]writingtochucow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not really talking about the States alone. And I know some would agree. I just don't think most would. And again, it doesn't really matter.

[–]Archwinger7 points8 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

That's just a slightly different shade of the same idealism.

Clinging to the belief that the whole point of existence is to be haaaaapy. And if you think negative thoughts about anyone or anything or don't live life the same way that I do or think the same things that I do, then you can't possibly be haaapy like I am.

You're pretty well-adjusted and liberal, right? Have you ever been on antidepressents or diagnosed with a mental illness or seen a therapist for any issues?

I hate women. A lot. And I haven't. Because I'm actually good with myself, good with the world, and not fucked up in the head.

You know who takes happy pills and consumes therapy more than any other demographic? Strong independent liberal women. You know, those happy well adjusted people.

[–]writingtochucow9 points10 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Because I'm actually good with myself, good with the world, and not fucked up in the head.

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe you.

[–]Archwinger9 points10 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

What's not to believe? I have a wife who fucks me and treats me all right, a beautiful child, a good job with great hours, benefits, and quality of life balance but still make a six-figure salary, I live in a great city, great neighborhood, with great people, I'm in the best physical shape I've ever been, I have friends and hobbies I enjoy. Life's pretty good. I mean, it's not perfect. My car needs new breaks and I need to schedule a dental appointment soon. I hate the dentist.

Whether or not you think women are stupid cunts is kind of like whether or not you like peanut butter. You can be successful and happy with or without peanut butter.

[–]writingtochucow9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hey man, I don't know the details of your life, I don't know what goes through your mind in the dark before you fall asleep at night. But I do know what you say on the internet.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're happy as you post vitriol all over the place and use the term 'stupid cunt' to describe the person you're married to (and the one you fathered). I just think the odds of this being true are really, really low.

[–]Archwinger8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So how about you? You're pretty self-assured, female, and liberal, right? Easily more happy and wholesome than I am.

How's your mental health? Ever taken anti-depressants, seen a therapist, or been diagnosed with any mental illness?

[–]writingtochucow5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nope, wouldn't describe myself as self-assured. Am female, though. And probably liberal to most Americans. Def. centrist in my own country.

And it doesn't matter if I'm typing this from the sunny peak of Mt. Mental Health or the depths of the psych ward - it's irrelevant to my opinion that New Hampshire guy, and people who make a point of hating huge groups of humanity for things like sex or race or leftness or rightness, are losers.

It's funny that you're trying to convince me so hard, though. I'm just a stupid cunt woman, dude. Who cares what I think?

[–][deleted]  (19 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Archwinger9 points10 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I haven't given it a lot of thought. Off the cuff, it's probably society's fault for creating a backdrop where women get bonus points just for existing and men have to work their asses off just to be average.

You end up with this alien race of vagina-owners who haven't had to work nearly as hard, get nearly as smart, become nearly as interesting, or really do all that much except be a woman and not be too fat, and end up with an easier life. Men flock to fuck them, date them, even marry them, and take care of them. They don't even have to work if they don't want to. Someone will pay their way for them. There's a safety net in place and women have to practically try to fail.

And it gives them a big head. They laugh at average men for only being average, when those guys worked their asses off just to be average, and the cackling women barely worked at all. Yet they think they have hard lives. They genuinely think they work hard, are smart, interesting, and have hard lives and have overcome difficulties. It's just mind-numbing.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I haven't given it a lot of thought.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Dude, you have written more about women than Simone de Beauvoir. You have written more words about women than Stephen King has written about scary things, including but not limited to women. My ass you haven't given it a lot of thought. (Unless your writing is all ENTP mouth word vomit, in which case I rescind my comment.)

Edit: Jesus, thanks for the gold, anonymous nice person!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You hate us for being objects of desire and all that entails. At least I can understand that. Thank you for answering.

PS. Don't skip the dental appointment! There's nothing nicer than lovely teeth 😬

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this kind of dependent on how you are raised? Heck, my parents never give me special treatment for being a female. They expect me to succeed in my career. My parents also prone to criticize me about my shittiness instead of giving me compliments. In fact, compliments are rare. Most of the time, they will point out how stupid my behaviors are.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you hate women a lot?

I don't hate women, but I do hate that our society is structured in a way such that they spend most of their time doing useless shit, such as "being fat" and "not sucking me off". Some of them even put effort into being deliberately unpleasant.

We can do better.

Does that help?

[–]rathyAro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well hate typically makes you feel bad. You hate half the population and live with something you hate. It's hard to imagine how you could be happy.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You do know this is just your opinion right? That nothing you've said can possibly convince anyone else because all you have is anecdotes and the ability to say no?

LOL

[–]writingtochucow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You do know this is just your opinion right?

Yes. Please see the post where I explicitly state that this is my personal opinion.

That nothing you've said can possibly convince anyone else

I'm not trying to convince anyone.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's some fine Just World you've imagined up.

[–]writingtochucow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No it isn't.

[–]IRaiseMyKids2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women hate the idea that they are so awful that men of all social classes are redpill. SO they degrade those men and lack the insight that that is just continuing the shitty attitude that drove the men away in the first place.

[–]disposable_pants2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Secret evil internet misogynists are hidden among us, and they don't have a tell.

I guess this really puts to bed all the "I totally could spot a red piller in real life" claims we see around here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They just like making a boggie man. Why would some loser in his mom's basement whine about divorce rape? If I was poor as fuck I'd be knocking up every girl I could.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Internet warriors are scared shitless. Real world evil internet misogynists aren't actually losers in Mom's basement. They're politicians, doctors, lawyers, financial advisors, and even the guy serving you drinks at the bar. Secret evil internet misogynists are hidden among us, and they don't have a tell.

We know this. We deal with you guys all the time IRL. The reason that we come to PPD and started BP is because we all know assholes like you guys and want to speak out against your douchebag/asshole conversion therapy. And yes, you all have a tell.

None of you can deal with women in a normal fashion. It takes about 5 minutes to figure this out.

People who think wrong thoughts are succeeding at life! The horror!

Sexists and Misogynists have run this country from positions of power since the beginning. It's called The Patriarchy.

You really have no idea how the other side thinks and it's kind of hilarious.

[–]Archwinger5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

So most people I meet and hang out with know that I'm an evil misogynist, and they just don't care? Even the women? They all grudgingly put up with my existence but take great pains to pretend to like me so I'll never know they know?

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, actually I have ever met a guy like you, IRL. Granted, I live in an anti pc country, so meeting misogynistic guy is not that hard. My dad has a colleague just like that. He calls me useless because I am female. I think people seemed to exaggerate about how bad misogynistic comment is. It is not as bad as people seemed to think, really. What, you think you are super evil? I have seen worse people than you in my family, and they are not even misogynistic. Misogynistic statement is just, well, a mere statement. People always talk shit about other people since forever. It is nothing new really. I just don't understand why in the western country, they need to make a big deal out of it.

The question is, how people like that view their female relatives?

[–]Archwinger2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're picturing some kind of cartoon character stomping around calling women names instead of an actual red piller.

[–]bsutansalt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That or someone with some serious Aspergers who lacks social awareness.

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish he's a cartoon character. But he is very real.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You want me to speak for your friends? No fucking idea what they think.

There are a lot of people who are down with Misogynists and Sexists. Just like there are a bunch of people who don't.

But to act like the people who don't agree with your sexism and misogyny don't see it?

lol

[–]Archwinger2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You, and a lot of the blue pill people, have a strong tendency to picture this very overblown, cartoon character version of a red piller.

If not strutting around calling women sluts and cunts, then at least sneering derisively, talking down to girls condescendingly, getting awkwardly grabby with strangers.

And if not that, then obviously creepy, talking primarily/only to girls, staring creepily, exhibiting extreme social awkwardness.

You imagine that every normal asshole, sexist, or autistic guy you meet is a red piller in the wild, when most likely, many actual red pillers are far more subtle and undetected.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

at least sneering derisively, talking down to girls condescendingly, getting awkwardly grabby with strangers.

And if not that, then obviously creepy, talking primarily/only to girls, staring creepily, exhibiting extreme social awkwardness.

But, like... there is no shortage of so-called field reports in the main TRP sub, describing encounters exactly like this. Or descriptions of encounters like this in askTRP, wherein the OP is like, "...and then the girl ran screaming into the night; was she alarmed at being overcome with lust for me or was she running off to find another girl for a threesome?"

To be fair, such posts often get the OP lit up like the Fourth of July in the comments. But yeah, judging by their own accounts, there are plenty of terpers who answer to your exaggerated description.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there is no shortage of so-called field reports in the main TRP sub, describing encounters exactly like this.

All of which could easily be chalked up to a combination of A) people exaggerating when they tell stories, especially on the internet, and B) social interactions, especially romantic/sexual ones, being notoriously difficult to translate smoothly into the written word.

Come on now -- we're in this thread discussing a red piller who was so normal, and blended in so seamlessly with everyone else, that he made a customer-facing business work and was elected to state office. To continue denying the possibility of a guy like this existing is just an exercise in rationalization at this point.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sexists and Misogynists have run this country from positions of power since the beginning. It's called The Patriarchy.

Good.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relevant username.

[–]buarthaDelights in homosexuality4 points5 points  (44 children) | Copy Link

The thing I really can't get over is how chubby he is. I don't mind fat people on a personal level, but if you ran a sub that never shuts up about how important fitness and lifting you'd think it would eventually sink in.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 2 points3 points  (43 children) | Copy Link

We all thought Gaylubeoil would be this huge buff dude too, so much for that.

It's almost like people lie on the Internet or something!

[–]Returnofthemack3Purple Pill8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

man, I dont even love GLO or anything, but you guys are retarded. That suit is obfuscating his physique, you can find pictures of him lifting and with a muscle tee...he's pretty jacked. Depending on the clothing someone is wearing, you cannot always tell what they're packing. Furthermore, he does bulk cycles pretty often, so if he has some excess chubs there that' slike...normal for a lifter that's serious, depending on the time.

If you dont believe me, find his twitter. Furthermore, dude actually sees clients for lifting advice and routines. He's not bullshit on the physique

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 2 points3 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

Are these pictures years apart?

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, they're all relatively recent. He's posted vids in the purple pill sphere as well with him and his gf.

He's not just all look either. He can do pullups with his gf on his back. I can barely do that with my own, and mine is around 100 lbs. GLO's looks heavier.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine I'm not going to dispute it then if that's really how he looks. Maybe it's just the smug expression and bile he's speaking that makes me think he's unattractive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

Nope, in the rush to jerk yourself off over one of your BP posts, you just never stopped to pay the fuck attention. Do you know what he does for a living?

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 5 points6 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

Don't be rude.

Doesn't he coach at a gym and sell shirts to RPers or something. He looks different now.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I will treat you respect when you deserve it.

Or am i supposed to be kind to that shit show of a sub?

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You have to be civil, that's all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure, whatever you say cupcake

Civility is earned, not given.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

cupcake cuckcake

FTFY

And civility is required as long as you post in this sub, no one cares if you don't like it.

Not sure why you're linking that post, what does it have to do with anything

[–]Warning_Low_BatteryPurple Pills and Purple Dinosaurs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be the change you want to see.

[–]disposable_pants1 point2 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

"Don't be rude"? You're the one linking to a dozen memes making fun of a specific red pill poster. The double standards blue pill mods have on here are fucking laughable.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 2 points3 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

He's not a user in this sub.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

you're still acting in bad faith making fun of a specific redpill poster.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Not a user in this sub, not subject to the guidelines. Take it to modmail if you have further complaints.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, he is. He's commented here before. And being an asshole to someone who doesn't comment here frequently is still being an asshole.

You're on the wrong end of this whole conversation. First you claimed GLO was just some average chubby guy, and you were shown to be incorrect. Instead of admitting your error, or just saying nothing, you questioned the veracity of a picture that clearly shows the dude's face and tut-tutted over manners... despite ripping on a guy just a minute before.

Do you honestly not see this?

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

He's banned from this sub, has been for over a year now.

Do not insult others, myself or any other commenter here.

[–]Warning_Low_BatteryPurple Pills and Purple Dinosaurs1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you honestly not see this?

No, he doesn't. His behavior has been reported many times and brought to mod attention in modmail. They will not do anything about it since he is also a mod.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow is that him???

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/members/memberbillssponsored.aspx?member=377225

Look at the bills he sponsored. A bunch of pro marijuana stuff, a bill to protect minors from gay conversion therapy, reducing business taxes, free speech on campus, poker in private residences, relief to those struggling with utilities bill payments, etc

Dude is basically Reddit incarnate. Reddit would love him if it wasn't for his creation of TRP subreddit. lol

[–]IRaiseMyKids4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just shows you the average man can be pushed to 'extreme' beliefs by the average woman.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (63 children) | Copy Link

It's nothing but an effort to threaten people who talk to each other on reddit and other forums about unpopular topics, like

--women's bad behavior

--men's disadvantages in dating, sex, relationships and marriage

--the fact that men are talking to each other about these things

It's an effort to stop men from badspeak and thoughtcrime.

It's also an enormous amount of effort to identify someone who started a subreddit. The amount of geeky legwork needed to connect all those dots indicates a tremendous tendency toward autism, as well as a lot of hate motivating all that work. All to silence and shut down what we're told is an insignificant band of misfits, losers, crazies and weirdos.

[–]the_calibre_cat12 points13 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but the fact that it's coming from an elected representative doesn't exactly do wonders for the Republican Party's attempts to rebrand itself. That said, fucking Christ, right-wingers, get yourself some credible I.T, and learn and live O.P.S.E.C. and I.N.F.O.S.E.C. - it's not a big secret that the left-media's sole purpose is to advance left-wing dominance in the halls of power by manipulating the court of public opinion against those who oppose it.

They have skeletons in their closets - they just won't report on those, because doing so doesn't help the cause.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

get yourself some credible I.T, and learn and live O.P.S.E.C. and I.N.F.O.S.E.C.

No shit. Jesus H. Christ on a sidecar.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I mean, everyone around TRP the subreddit and manosphere bloggers know it's open season on them. THe entire reason most of us post under pseudonyms is because what we talk about is unpopular, unseemly and unsavory (though no less true).

[–]the_calibre_cat9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This guy's an idiot, though. He absolutely deserves to sink in my view, and sink he will - I'm just annoyed that the Left can (and will) weave it into their "right-wingers are sexist" circlejerk of guilt-by-association, as they always do. Remember kids, A.W.A.L.T. is sexist and bad, but A.R.W.A.L.T. is solid science.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why does he deserve to sink?

[–]the_calibre_cat2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why does he deserve to sink?

Mostly this:

"FredFredrickson, Fisher posited that the notion that 'rape is bad' was not an absolute truth. He wrote, 'I’m going to say it—Rape isn’t an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he’d say it’s quite good, really.'"

Otherwise, he's just a manosphere guy trying to figure his shit out, who happens to be a business executive and a Congressperson. That's totally fine. "Rape isn't that bad" is a red line, though.

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that was taken out of context (something about moral relativism), but I agree that it was a really bad example for that particular debate.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I mean, everyone around TRP the subreddit and manosphere bloggers know it's open season on them.

Gee, I wonder why.

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Idk, I think trp speaks to a lot of guys and that might be a reasonable way for the gop to orient itself. Very curious to see how this one plays out

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think trp speaks to a lot of guys and that might be a reasonable way for the gop to orient itself.

Why would they do that? It's exactly how Trump got elected....but also exactly why he probably won't be reelected. The men that TRP speaks to (or was created by for that matter) are not what the GOP wants or needs, so why would they "orient itself" to accommodate or appeal to them?

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because appealing to a large swath of people is what politicians do? Why wouldn't they want to?

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why wouldn't they want to?

You realize that TRP and those who support their ideologies are still just a drop in the bucket, right?

The GOP isn't looking to appeal to "a large swath", they're looking to appeal to as much of a majority as they can. They're also looking to appeal to X group, while still not pissing off Y or Z group.

That TRP "speaks to a lot of men" even is up for debate. What is "a lot" anyway? I mod bullshit subs that have more subscribers than they do. TRP is just, like I said, a drop in the bucket.

On the other hand, a lot of shit that gets said on TRP (or hell, the manosphere in general) really wouldn't fly with many of the GOPs core voters and demographic. Nor would many who follow TRP really get behind the GOP.

You think the GOP should (or wants to) appeal or be tied to a demographic that would (had she she not been a Trump) otherwise label Ivanka as an "execucunt", says women (such as herself) would be better off being banned from higher education or inheritance and/or would advise their supporters to "pump & dump" a woman like her?

Staunch and lifelong GOPers still have sisters, wives, mothers and daughters that they love and want to protect. TRP would call them "cucks" and "white knights", however. This past election already proved that even Trump, with his (wildly misinterpreted) pussy grabbing comments was viewed as distasteful, oafish, aloof and sexist by much of the GOP.

Why in the hell would or SHOULD they ever try to appeal to such a (relatively) minuscule population to the detriment of their core (and wider) demographic?

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

There's way more disgruntled "betas" than subscribers to trp. Each one could potentially be seduced by some trp ideas. Also trp doesn't have to be full on misogynistic; it can be presented in a very palatable way that men and women would find reasonable. Obviously if someone dives into r/trp it'll look bad but if that politician can convince people that online rhetoric is exaggerated and can explain his beliefs reasonably people could buy that. They bought it with Trump and he didn't even try that hard to sound reasonable.

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There's way more disgruntled "betas" than subscribers to trp.

And many of them still vote democrat and always will.

Each one could potentially be seduced by some trp ideas.

Sure, and this has happened time and again. The thing is, for however "disgruntled" these betas might be, they still don't all subscribe to everything TRP says or advocates. Yeah it might seem appealing to subscribe to TRP ideologies for a time, but there's a reason why TRP has only grown to barely 200k subscribers after all these years.

That aside, wanting to find ways to be more sexually successful with women doesn't mean one has to (or does) also buy into any number of the other things TRP apparently supports (like being alt-right, rape apologia, or race bating). So there being a purported abundance of disgruntled betas out there means nothing.

it can be presented in a very palatable way that men and women would find reasonable

No, it really can't.

but if that politician can convince people that online rhetoric is exaggerated and can explain his beliefs reasonably people could buy that

No amount of spin or clever wording is going to prevent people from seeing things with their own two eyes. I don't care how creative politicians get, there's just no way to "convince" the masses that shit like single moms are subhuman scum can ever be excused or is in any way logical.

They bought it with Trump and he didn't even try that hard to sound reasonable

Contrary to popular belief on reddit, people didn't all vote for Trump based on his supposed "red pill" beliefs or rhetoric, nor because they identified with TRP leanings. They voted for him because they wanted jobs, felt strongly about illegal immigration, wanted to see a genuine health care reform, were tired of being overtaxed and underpaid or simply hated Clinton.

That aside, he's hardly some paragon of red pill truths. In fact, he's largely "blue pill" in his beliefs, attitudes, behavior and thought.

[–]badnews4u0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

DNC LEAKS MOFO? you kidding me?

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer8 points9 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It would be more probable that most of these Red Pill users are not as successful or attractive as they claim to be. There would be no problems with r/TheRedPill or The Red Pill itself if every male who was speaking on it's behalf could back up how attractive and successful they claim to be.

The problem really is not the content that is being discussed, but who is discussing it and the manner it is being discussed. There is a lot words on r/TheRedPill and not a lot of actions that do any justice to the user base. There is substantial evidence that The Red Pill is filled with "misfits, losers, crazies and weirdos" and very little evidence it is filled with actual attractive men who are really doing anything.

Thinking that it is because people want to silence men's voices is a good victim complex and an easy cop-out.

[–]ThirdEyeSqueegeed2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There would be no problems with r/TheRedPill or The Red Pill itself if every male who was speaking on it's behalf could back up how attractive and successful they claim to be.

So, basically, attractive men are allowed to say whatever they want, but unattractive men should know their place and keep their mouths shut?

Thanks for that. Classic AWALT RP confirmed ;)

[–]dragoness_leclerq🚑 Vagina Red Cross 🚑1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So, basically, attractive men are allowed to say whatever they want, but unattractive men should know their place and keep their mouths shut?

No, I think it's more like, there are a lot of men going around claiming to be highly attractive cunthounds who are sexually successful with women left and right and know all the secrets to getting laid, how women really work, etc.

However, all this is taken at face value and without any sort of confirmation of how attractive or successful they actually are. How is anyone really to know whether the things they say come from a place of actual experience or success, trial and error, etc...... or simply bitterness, anger, revenge, whatever.

When a TRPer talks about how hot he is and how readily he's able to make women into virtual sex slaves, vixens and submissive nymphs, etc just by virtue of his physical attributes and "dread" or "alphaness", without a shred of proof, how do we (general we) know whether he's speaking from actual experience, or just some dad-bodied loser nerd talking out of his ass and basing things on what he thinks happens between women and "Chad"?

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

However, all this is taken at face value

No, it's not. Guys on TRP aren't blindly believing everything they read, because no one does that on the internet anymore. You frequently see field reports getting called out for sounding unrealistic, and frequently see pushback against various ideas and tactics because the commenter thinks they wouldn't work so well in real life.

How is anyone really to know whether the things they say come from a place of actual experience or success, trial and error, etc...... or simply bitterness, anger, revenge, whatever.

Try it, and make your own conclusion. Plenty of TRP guys have done this, and said it works for them.

[–]Returnofthemack3Purple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's stupid because someone that doesnt look amazing could still be 'red pill'. It's not like you have to be leo dicaprio

[–]disposable_pants6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is substantial evidence that The Red Pill is filled with "misfits, losers, crazies and weirdos" and very little evidence it is filled with actual attractive men who are really doing anything.

You're confusing reasoning with evidence.

There is zero real evidence that red pillers are attractive, hideous, short, tall, smart, dumb, etc. Evidence would be something tangible and at least somewhat objective -- like pictures, or school transcripts, or test scores, or even accounts from acquaintances in real life. Nothing like this exists in any significant quantity.

All you're doing is presenting reasoning -- "I conclude that A, B, and C must be so because I believe X, Y, and Z." And your reasoning is highly questionable.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not saying they are hideous. I am saying that they are strange. Do not strawman me again.

The evidence that there is several users of The Red Pill are engaging in what one could call strange or odd behavior. This is just anecdotal and from my own personal experience, I also know an individual who is being cyberstalked by a Red Pill user. There are so many of them who stick around, but for what purpose is unbeknownst.

Aside from the point that my personal data is almost useless as evidence, it is The Red Pill users who are claiming that they are attractive, successful with women and that The Red Pill "works", yet they have provided zero evidence aside from anecdotal, which rests on their shoulders to provide.

[–]disposable_pants2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not saying they are hideous.

I didn't claim you were -- I mentioned many personal characteristics we have no evidence of without claiming you touched on them all -- but you did say they weren't as attractive "as they claim to be." You double down on this in your most recent comment. Pretending you were just calling them "strange" is dishonest.

The evidence that there is several users of The Red Pill are engaging in what one could call strange or odd behavior.

Anonymous posters saying stuff on the internet is not evidence. If I say I'm the King of France, is that evidence that we have royalty among us?

they have provided zero evidence aside from anecdotal, which rests on their shoulders to provide.

First, there's no evidence one could imagine that anyone skeptical of TRP would believe. You could post pictures of various women sucking your dick and people would say you paid them. So why bother trying to please people who won't believe anything anyway?

Second, only an idiot would make it easier to get themselves doxxed.

Third, anyone is free to read TRP, apply a few bits, and see how it works in their own life. Something as simple as having conversations with a handful of women would offer significant evidence, provided minimal effort and a willing to consider the possibility that TRP may be on to something.

[–]Returnofthemack3Purple Pill0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This argument sucks because the social climate makes it imperative for anyone involved in the red pill to keep a low profile and maintain anonymity. The risks to career and livelihood are way too high for most. With that said, there are multiple top contributors whose identity or we've seen them and they're decent looking, well spoken dudes.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Such as?

[–]Returnofthemack3Purple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

such as what? Are you denying that coming out as 'red pill', the most 'misogyniistic place on the web' according to many outlets, that you woudln't face potentially serious consequences? Lol are you serious?

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whose top contributors identities have been revealed? GayLubeOil, anyone elses?

[–]Zakncnp2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

How do we know there wasnt a political agenda behind making the redpill the same way there is a political agenda behind all the russian trolls online during the 2016 elections? I think its a bit early to discredit the article.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't know it's political. the point of it to me is to discourage men from talking to each other about the truth about intersexual relationships, because if they do, they'll be outed, doxxed, smeared, their livelihoods threatened and destroyed and their lives ruined.

I'm also not discrediting the article. I'm simply stating what I think its true purpose is. Men aren't supposed to talk about these things. ANY discussion about what women do and how they comport themselves is hatespeak and thoughtcrime. Anytime men say something true about women, if that truth paints women in an unsavory or less-than-flattering light, it is not supposed to be said. It must be censored and its utterance punished. It's

"we can't stop you from saying it; but we can identify the people who do say it, and we can make you say it using your real names so that we know who you are and we can threaten, destroy, and even physically terrorize you for saying it."

That's the point of this article.

[–]Zakncnp3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I see it as an opportunity to attack a member of the GOP, who are complicit in impeding the investigation of the russian meddling in our election. His online statements are being used to discredit him and his party, so that democrats will have more influence.

I personally dont care if my lawmakers are redpill or bluepill, but any online movement with a political agenda should be investigated. I didnt think redpill was political, but after the start of the "redpill right", this article, and the overlap of redpill/thedonald members, i am no longer so sure. The redpill could be used to indoctrinate peope into a certain political view, and in some cases im sure it has.

[–]disposable_pants-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

any online movement with a political agenda should be investigated

What are your thoughts on the First Amendment?

[–]Zakncnp1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I respect the right to free speech. I also believe there is blatant cyber warfare being committed against europe and america. Propagandists and shills should be unmasked so people have context for the information being presented. We dont respect certain sources of news, we likewise shouldnt respect the opinions of blatant pathological liars.

[–]disposable_pants1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I can agree with about all of that in abstract. But you don't think the government "investigating" politically unpopular groups risks violating freedom of speech?

[–]Zakncnp2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Depends on the context. In this case it was a journalist who unmasked the redpill founder as a GOP lawmaker. Thats not a violation of the first amendment or an example of the government investigating anyone. Now people have more information available to them when deciding if this product is for them.

So no i am not in favor of a mccarthy-esque government witch hunt to punish those who have different views than the establishment. However if a foreign government is trying to influence voters in a way that favors them, i absolutely want our government to investigate that and expose it. Up until the trump presidency they have been doing that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, disposable's about right on this. You investigate if there's cause to believe that a group talking to each other is engaged in some sort of criminal activity, or that they are talking about committing crimes and doing something to further that agenda (which is conspiracy).

But you don't investigate just because some people are gathering to talk about unpopular things, or about things women don't like, or even about evil things (Satanism, communism, socialism, etc.)

[–]Zakncnp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well in this case it wasnt the government investigating, it was a journalist.

And I am glad that the government investigated the activity of online trolls, because it was revealed there were paid shills of a foreign government trying to influence public opinion in order to incite internal conflict

[–]ProbablyBelievesIt2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nobody would care if he only talked about it. But when you belong to a party that wants to legislate other people's private lives, while spying on them?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The Democrat party is the one that wants to legislate others' private lives (Obamacare, seat belt laws, etc.)

[–]ProbablyBelievesIt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I keep hearing that, while the GOP gives poor people the freedom to work without a living wage or the freedom to die from an inability to pay.

But yes, if you want the freedom to fly through a windshield at 60+mph, I can see why you'd be opposed to such cruel oppression.

[–]IIHotelYorbatreats objects like women2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Typical anti free speech SJW "naming and shaming" tactics, trying to shut down any discourse they don't approve of. Which they of course describe as being harassed to the ends of the earth whenever someone does any amount of it back to them. The difference is the MSM backs them to the hilt.

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

--men's disadvantages in dating, sex, relationships and marriage

It's funny that TRP makes that claim to have a disadvantage in relationships, marriage, dating and sex, even though they are the ones who apparently discovered all the secrets to get women doing whatever it is they want women to do. Basically all men need to do now, according to TRP, is to read the side bar and implement it. There are FR claiming success. Yet, they're still claiming disadvantage when, in reality, if one does believe that TRP works, not only do they have an advantage over women, but also over bluepill men. Shouldn't they be happy without the need for all the toxicity if they figured out the secret to overcome women's advantage?

[–]disposable_pants13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Shouldn't they be happy without the need for all the toxicity if they figured out the secret to overcome women's advantage?

Blue pillers/feminists typically think women are disadvantaged in society, right? Say Jane wants to be a mechanic. She reads about engines and transmissions and tinkers with cars for years, and eventually is able to get a job as a mechanic. She still has occasional jokes made about her solely because she's a woman, still has customers and managers who treat her like she doesn't know what she's talking about, still has her mistakes magnified on account of her sex, etc., etc., etc.

Why can't Jane just be happy? She's learned how to become a mechanic, hasn't she?

It's the same thing with men and TRP. You can learn how to play the game that's presented to you, but knowing the game and playing it well doesn't fundamentally change it.

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why can't Jane just be happy? She's learned how to become a mechanic, hasn't she?

Bad example. Jane didn't happen to eventually get a job as mechanic; that would have been Beta Jane doing things like it's accepted and normalized in society. What happened to Jane was that she found out the formula by which every woman can also be a mechanic. Since she's now Alpha Jane, all she has to do to stop the jokes and unacceptable behaviors is to lift more, read the sidebar and implement dread; alternatively she can start spinning plates (jobs) until she decides which one suits her better and respects her alpha status. That means that Jane has now an advantage over the market (she can play it) , over her male co-workers, and also over the women she chooses not to share her magic formula with. If Jane isn't full of shit and truly believes that, she should be happy and shut the fuck up about her disadvantages; she has none.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Just because Obama made it to President doesn't remove the disadvantages he faces as a black person in our racist society.

Just because a man is successful and has advantage over other men and women doesn't remove the disadvantages he faced as a man in our misandrist society.

For once a racial analogy actually holds perfectly, and your overly reductionist view loses nuance in attempts to paint the picture you want.

P.S. There are no alpha women...

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

For once a racial analogy actually holds perfectly, and your overly reductionist view loses nuance in attempts to paint the picture you want.

Obama got to be president fair and square. Obama did not find the buttons to push so that all black men can become president. Your example is as bad as the Jane example. Men's disadvantages in the dating scene (perceived or real) can't be compared to the disadvantages of minorities in this country. The only plight red pillers can identify themselves with is Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" There's nothing noble or lifting or moral or just or right about your little hate group, nor will there ever be. It hurts men, women and children alike (just look at the wave of divorce on MRP). Lol. Get over yourself. Your "problems" getting pussy are nothing like the problems minorities face.

P.S. There are no alpha women...

It's my party and my Jane can be alpha if I want to. Deal with it.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You missed the point. Obama still deals with prejudice and racism regardless of how he got where he did.

[–]foreignergrlThe Bluest Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is you missing the point. Obama does deal with prejudice, but red pillers don't. They read the sidebar, lift more, they implement dread, they spin plates until they find the respect they deserve (according to them). Magic ensues. So they deal with nothing and everything is in their favor now. They won the game. If they believe their own bullshit, that is.

[–]disposable_pants2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one on TRP claims to have a magical formula by which all disadvantages disappear and the user is superior to everyone. You're railing against a straw man.

[–]bsutansalt1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

's nothing but an effort to threaten people who talk to each other on reddit and other forums about unpopular topics, like

--women's bad behavior

--men's disadvantages in dating, sex, relationships and marriage

--the fact that men are talking to each other about these things

It's an effort to stop men from badspeak and thoughtcrime.

It's also an enormous amount of effort to identify someone who started a subreddit. The amount of geeky legwork needed to connect all those dots indicates a tremendous tendency toward autism, as well as a lot of hate motivating all that work. All to silence and shut down what we're told is an insignificant band of misfits, losers, crazies and weirdos.

I wish that is what he says when people call for his resignation. Followed by "pound sand".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Indeed bsutan.

I think what really offends women is that men are even talking about these topics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The efforts to minimize anything he's done miffs me as well.

Name 10 people you know who have won elected office, own a company, and can play an instrument. Not many can. Of course, a majority of the talk here is 'well, his company is a failing industry' or 'he still makes payments' so much attempts to make this guy look like as much of a failure as possible. 'his suit sucks' 'he's fat'

Anything to avoid having to say this is a normal man, with very reasonable grievances.

How frail are our egos, when the cost of teh livelyhood of a man is worth our pretty lies? And the worst part? this place is the closest to neutral discussion on the matter. Imagine if the cunt was turned up to '11'?

I was never a fan of the 'misogynists aren't born, they are made' speech, but this is the kind of things that make it true.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ.

[–]Alth12Purple Pill Man8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Even if we take them at their word I fail to see how it's relevant to him politically. Everyone has personal views, and he is entitled to his. It reads to me as a smear piece, as they aren't really tieing what his online views are to any actions he has commited to politically that would be relevant.

Definitely a leftist attempt to smear someone who is right wing politically, and try to tie in right wing with rape apologism etc.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

you don't think you're entitled to know the viewpoints of the people who's salaries you pay? if a politician paid by your tax dollars to write legislation in behalf of your interests was, say, secretly running a blog about how she hated men I think you'd be interested to know. her views are her own and she's entitled to them, but that's still valuable insight into what kind of person she is and what her political motivations might be. as a public figure, she signed up for scrutiny from her constituents.

[–]Alth12Purple Pill Man5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

We've got Jess Phillips in the UK who was known for her colourful anti male stances before she was elected and has translated that into politics. I had no problem with her before she brought those views into her politics, and started pushing a misandristic view.

Contrast that with Theresa May who is open about her feminist views in her personal life, yet hasn't let them impact her politically.

Part of politics is putting personal opinions aside and doing what is best for everyone. There isn't any evidence he is doing anything untoward.

The other question I'd have is what has he done that warrants this level of attention from a large international media source? For someone so small fry they've poured a lot of energy into him. What's the agenda? I have a hard time believing any media, from the Daily Mail, Breitbart, to the Guardian and NYT does anything for the greater good, particularly not against some small politician.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The other question I'd have is what has he done that warrants this level of attention from a large international media source? For someone so small fry they've poured a lot of energy into him.

he founded what many consider to be a hate group against half of his constituents and kept it a secret.

[–]SeemedGood4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

what many consider to be a hate group

And that would be poor consideration.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

why not let voters decide for themselves?

[–]SeemedGood2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never suggested that they shouldn't. But the thing about republics is that they don't function well unless the voters are independent thinkers and well informed. The vast majority of people decrying RP have little to no experience of it. It's the NPR effect ("I love listening to NPR because I always know just what to say over a coffee at work").

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

For someone so small fry they've poured a lot of energy into him. What's the agenda?

What are the odds that the writer frequents TBP? That's a whole sub dedicated to working itself up into a frothing rage over TRP -- they'd love to doxx a high-profile member, even if in the scheme of things he doesn't matter one bit.

[–]Alth12Purple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about that. If I had to guess they wanted to prove a substantial link between the Republican party and the Manosphere. Something that would really paint the Republicans as misogynists and rape apologists. They set out with that idea and started digging, eventually hitting pay dirt.

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How can your opinion possibly not influence what you think is best for everyone?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two words.

Bill Clinton.

For years we were told that a politician's private life (what he does in total secrecy and even totally lies about UNDER OATH) has no bearing whatsoever on his public life. But he was a good Democrat liberal, so when he says and does FAR worse things than this guy is claimed to have done, it's A OK.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course it's a smear piece, designed specifically to discredit him. It's "can you BELIEVE someone actually SAID these things?"

It's also a veiled threat. "We did it to him. You're next."

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Our guys are in politics now? That's a welcome development

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I have a feeling he won't be for long lol

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If Trump can win with all the shit he said, I don't think Republicans much care tbh

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

in Mississippi maybe, good luck in new hampshire

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would increase his popularity because he's considered a martyr now.

It's probably going to boost his popularity overall - I have a gut feeling that the percentage of edgelords and people who hate "SJWs" has surpassed the 30% critical level

[–]LeaderOfGamergateNon-Red Pill, anti-BP, anti-feminist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well we have a guy who hates feminism and openly talks about grabbing pussy, calls women who disagrees with him 'fat pigs', as president right now, so... I wouldn't exactly say your side is winning politically.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every guy says that shit. Even the self-proclaimed "allies".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was unaware New Hampshire voted for Trump

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Your guys have been in politics for thousands of years, that's why the red pill metaphor is so dumb. TRP is blue pill af

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All signs of a changing of the guard from boomer WaW tradcons are welcome imo

[–]DB605Everyone's a BlackPill in the end1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Nothing about what you just said makes sense, and we're all less intelligent for having heard it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You think you're Neo, but you're really just one of the nameless guys floating in goo. Antifeminism was the status quo for thousands of years and still is. You're a dupe who's taken the aesthetics of rebellion for content.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||[🍰] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Red pill =/= antifeminism. There is overlap, to be sure, but most of society (blue pill) accepts modern ideas of women being equal to men in every way, while simultaneously believing they are special in every way (i.e. women are wonderful effect). This is cognitive dissonance. Opposing feminism, which tries to break down traditional gender roles despite what real people really want in a partner, is but a part of red pill philosophy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Red pill =/= antifeminism.

How are you gonna convince me of anything if the first thing you say to me is a barefaced lie?

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||[🍰] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't expect to convince you of anything. You are not here to debate. You are not here to learn, or to inform. You are only here to insult. I stated my subjective belief, and you called me a liar. I don't appreciate being called a liar. Get the fuck out of here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are only here to insult.

You figured it out!

Get the fuck out of here.

PEace

[–]DB605Everyone's a BlackPill in the end2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You think you're Neo, but you're really just one of the nameless guys floating in goo. Antifeminism was the status quo for thousands of years and still is.

If you honestly believe that, you've either a troglodyte living in a cornfield in Arkansas, or you've been asleep since 1950.

People lose their jobs for disagreeing with feminism, SJW'ism, and various other leftist monoliths these days.

[–]lurccount points points [recovered] | Copy Link

You're right, the force of feminism in society is so so strong that you cannot go against it and have any sort of power. That's why Feminazi SJWs control the US House and Senate and Anita Sarkeesian is the President.

[–]DB605Everyone's a BlackPill in the end2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Anita Sarkeesian got famous for making a feminist hit piece on the gaming industry that was factually incorrent and logical incoherent, that took her all the way to the Daily Show and being a guest speaker at the UN.

How well do you think the people who corrected her did?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Antifeminism was the status quo for thousands of years

Good.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

New Hampshire state legislature. Don't get too excited.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Baby steps, Rome wasn't built in a day etc etc

[–][deleted]  (14 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

If that's true, then the man identified in the Beast article has a case for defamation. The man id'd in that article would issue a public statement categorically denying his involvement, and tell the Beast it has 24 hours to retract the article or he's suing.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, if there's not a lawsuit over this, it seems likely The Daily Beast identified the right person.

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm aware of NYT v Sullivan. That article comes pretty close to malice.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This

However, he didn't. Instead, the posts they asked him about were instantly deleted as well as the accounts themselves. Pretty suspish

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

When was the last time a politician filed suit against a media outlet? Because that's incredibly rare, are we to believe that almost every accusation we read anywhere is 100% accurate?

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[–]disposable_pants1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's my point -- the fact that this guy isn't running to court is in no way evidence that this story is true.

[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

the posts they asked him about were instantly deleted as well as the accounts themselves. Pretty suspish

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[–]CrazyTom54Fabulous Blueberry1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okie dokie

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this just doxxing?

[–]JaggedYellowPillyellow is the opposite of purple1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it possible to dox someone who is already a public figure? When I think about doxing, it involves tracking down a private individual's real identity and making their identity known to people who only knew them by an anonymous handle. In this case, you're taking a public figure and showing that they made objectionable comments under an anonymous handle. Clearly they're related concepts, but I feel like the reverse directionality is important.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Linking an anonymous Reddit account to a real life individual publicly is still doxxing.

[–]FieldLine1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's weird that there's nothing on the author. No previous articles, no online presence - even her Twitter looks like it was a throwaway, created a while ago and only used now.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What are the odds the author is a frequent /r/thebluepill poster?

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this an article on a sleazy website doxing some guy? Lame.

[–]HugMuffinfrom the ground up4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh. While I'm not a fan of any RPer, I feel like we need more information to confirm many of the implications made by this piece.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's no smoking gun in hand, true, but this part especially is pretty suspish...

...Fisher, a programmer, created a message board used by his friends as a social platform. The website’s name, “Fredrickville,” appears over and over, and provides more links between him and The Red Pill—Fisher’s personal email account uses the name, the same email addresss used to register The Red Pill’s backup landing page, should it ever get taken down.

Within hours of contacting Rep. Fisher, and after delivering by email a summary of his apparent connections to The Red Pill kingpin, his two primary Reddit usernames had been wiped, and four blogs connected to him were deleted or made private. He has not returned additional requests for comment.

[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I find it hard to believe his guy is Red Pill. He doesn't have a neckbeard OR rape charges. Bullshit.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

hes a chubby rape apologist who exaggerates his looks online... par for the course if you ask me.

[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah everyone looks good with that snapchat filter he has on his pic.

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[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol you got that from one grainy face pic? You hoes is savage

[–]midnightvulpine[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assuming their connections all link up, I can tell him why listing accomplishments gets him ridiculed. The wrong tone or laying it out at a bad time can seem boastful. Which many see as a negative trait. Especially if they don't care about that side of your past.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wondered when this would make it from /r/Politics to here.

For a moment when I read it I thought they'd doxxed redpillschool, but it turns out it's a guy I never heard of, I guess he was long gone by the time I came along.

Still, career limiting stuff for a professional pol. Silly Boy.

Although, to be fair, his anonymous accounts strident Atheism is almost certainly going to hit his core vote harder than the RP stuff.

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

wow, such anti-establishment, much against the system

[–]LeaderOfGamergateNon-Red Pill, anti-BP, anti-feminist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So once again, SJWs show they are fine with doxing other people but cry foul when someone tries to dox them or uncover their identity.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

rp being talked about in default subreddits, damn. I wonder how many guys know of rp and it's theories but say absolutely nothing about it in rl.

[–]alphabetmodamused modstery1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Had to dust off the old account for this one.

So is RPS one of this guys' accounts as well? I've had the displeasure of "debating" with him(basically arguing with a toddler) and it would make to much fucking sense that he's a politician.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Pathetic troll article, I am no mod on trp or an endorsed contributer but even I know the new account of pk_atheist but the author couldn't figure it out lol. Anyways I know this decent throwaway.

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[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pk_athiest is the creator of the Red Pill subreddit. He hasn't been involved in several years though.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

He was pretty honest about his dry spell even if it was a stupid move, anyways I spent my time doxing the guy and I am pretty sure he author is just inventing stuff.

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[–]shoup88Report me bitch4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I think he's saying this article sucked because the author couldn't even link to pk_atheist's new username, which alreadyredschool knows.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I thought you were endorsed?

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I made like 2 threads and 5 comments over there ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven't been over there much in a year.

[–]darla102 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The doxxing is almost as disgusting as his rape comments. Almost.

[–]BPremiumMeh1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Really? The guardian? Get out of here with that trash. Ive posted articles from there and others have told me the same thing. They are biased, just like posting something from XOJane or Brietbart

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Interesting article out of The Daily Beast today

[–]BPremiumMeh3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oops, wrong article I was looking at. lol my bad. Still Daily beast is just as bad as the guardian

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[–]writingtochucow2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wat?

[–]cuittler points points [recovered] | Copy Link

lolll y'all are petty af

How so?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The Guardian is like Breitbart... really now?

[–]IRaiseMyKids0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any indication his votes were fucked up? Any malicous statments IRL? OR was he just engaged in locker room talk and shite rape jokes?

[–]keonklaM*ens R*ights A*frican0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm well this guys job is probably done,but hey this will probably increase the members of the red pill by alot.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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