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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=men+scared+by+women

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=men+intimidated+by+women

There's no shortage of articles by female authors who boast about how their intelligence or independence intimidates men. Here's a wake up call, lady, he is not intimidated by you.

What he is intimidated by, is the state. He is scared of the never ending army of policemen with guns and armor that you can wield against him if you levy the right charge.

When you declare to the world what a strong, intelligent feminist you are, he gets the impression you are aware of the power at your disposal, and the means by which you can inflict those powers upon him. Make the right accusation, and he is fucked for life. Naturally, they'd rather avoid you, which leaves you to vent your frustration: http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/10/hooking-up-when-youre-an-anti-rape-activist.html#

If it were just the two of you on an otherwise uninhabited island, he would have nothing to fear from you.


[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions75 points76 points  (59 children) | Copy Link

One time, I agreed to meet with this guy at 8 or 9 at night. Before we met, I said to him, ‘This is the work I do, I know the chief of police … so, don’t try and get creepy; I know all my rights.’

Damn, if I was told that before the date, I'd cancel too. I respect consent and all, but she's made it clear that she's got an itchy trigger finger and is ready to fire.

Rather have a good time with someone not so hostile.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a woman said that to me, I be see ya.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that just sounds like someone looking to start shit.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I bet her favorite greeting is "Excuse me?!?" while making an angry grimace or rolling her eyes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I CAN'T EVEN!!!"

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.18 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

yeah that's crazy and weird.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Aka Berkley CA

[–]DevilishRogueKnows more than you11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Also Seattle, Portland, Denver, most of NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have been to literally all of those places and none compare to the beast that is Berkley. Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and SJWs. It's ground zero for leftist insanity

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I have some super lefty friends in Berkely and even they say it's crazy, lol

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. To their credit I had a borderline SJW friend who lived there I met thru Reddit and knew my irl info. When srs came after me he messaged me to let me know and refused to give them any info even though he was "disappointed and disturbed" by my views lol. Then they came after him but never got him either.

[–]PurpleBanner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, the united states of America.

[–]determinedtolearn7Logic Saves Us All11 points12 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

agreed. why would i go on a date with someone who's saying that to me? lol I like your flair btw

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions6 points7 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

Thanks - I'm here to learn more than anything.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

I know the truth you can ask me

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions5 points6 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Sweet as fuck, ok, I trust.

Question:

Is the truth in any circumstance an actual objective fact, or is the truth whatever you believe it to be?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ah good question, let me answer it truthfully. Whatever truths I tell you will usually be objective facts but when there is a truth out there that I don't want you to know I will say something like "will have to wait for the facts on this one" or so. Hope that's ok

edit: also when I want to believe something very little evidence will count as sufficient and when I don't I will wait for a truckload of evidence before I reconsider

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I didn't expect a serious answer.

I am pleasantly surprised, and know I'm going to mull it over while drinking some coffee.

Respect.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, just don't tell your friends. I wouldn't want people to start doubting the many truths I tell them on Reddit now

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's the first rule:

We don't talk about Reddit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I was talking about your Reddit friends of course, especially our mutual friends here on PPD. I actually made the mistake of mentioning Reddit in public once and have since been carefully avoiding it

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian2 points3 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

The truth doesn't exist. Everything is up to human interpretation.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I dunno, some things are pretty objective, like math.

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Math is nothing but a human interpretation with regards to value, or anything related for that matter. It's man made.

P.S. Think of it like this, Colors don't exist. It's just a variance in wavelengths. Since our eye has no capacity to interpret it beyond the colors we think we see ( and also the reason why there's a limit in the spectrum of what our naked eye can see) it created the colors that we know of today. Since we have limited knowledge on how the world actually works, we created math in order to try to understand it. It's limited.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Math is the behavior of the universe. Patterned behavior of the universe exists regardless of whether there's mankind in the universe or not, therefore math is independent of mankind. Mathematics was DISCOVERED, not invented, there's a difference.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/si/math_is_subjunctively_objective/

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Math is the behavior of the universe.

This isn't absolute fact. It's a claim. Same as how it can be claimed that Math is a human construct made to better understand the world. Most non-platonist believe it to be a human construct.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256838918_The_Reasonable_Ineffectiveness_of_Mathematics_Point_of_View

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You realize how self-defeating that logic is, eh?

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

But then it does exist - truth is an interpretation.

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If truth can be interpreted as anything depending on the individual, then by definition it's not true. You can claim that there's an apple tree in space, but that doesn't make it fact, so therefore, it's not true, in relation to reality. It's a belief.

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You don't need facts to accept something as truth. If I sincerely believe the Apple tree in space exists, then it is truth.

Or more relevant: politics. Alternative facts.

Or even more relevant: PPD. Blue Pill believes their truth. Red Pill believes their truth. Neither lies, and arguments are mostly anecdotal. What's the truth?

(Note: I'm just playing Devil's Advocate)

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

(Note: I'm just playing Devil's Advocate)

I'm aware you are.

But my claim is that there is no truth. BP has their beliefs and RP has theirs. neither is truth but belief. Now, if we delve into quantifiable and observable evidence, there would be a basis for said beliefs. It still doesn't make it true, but rather, more believable. In essence, that's what science is. Ergo, truth does not exist, it's human interpretation of a belief claiming it to be true.

P.S. Granted, I'm heavily influenced by Nietzsche but the idea still stands.

[–]midnightvulpine10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, anyone who feels the need to be that preemptive is a potential problem. Fortunately high strung sorts like that don't seem to be too common.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Aren't a lot of BP women and dark triad RP women like that though?

[–]darla102 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you explain what a dark triad RP woman is?

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One who admits RP is right and tries to use it to exploit and manipulate men, like that one "pink pill" poster that got banned. They're demanding, stand offish and high strung because they know they'll still get free shit from men.

[–]midnightvulpine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't know. All I know is I deal with a lot of women where I work and none of them are like that. Though I don't know all of them that well. But someone like that, they tend to stick out.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like the female version of /r/niceguys

"ugh why won't men like smart independant women!!!"

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see that. She sounded like a psycho there, and that sets off my "get-the-fuck-out-and-abort-mission" alarm.

Sorta analogous to the "creepy" insult given to some men.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a very apt comparison.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You'd have to be fairly desperate to stick around after that.

That comment is like the rattle on a rattlesnake.

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice.

I'll be stealing that analogy and using it sometime in the future.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men who have social anxiety are probably afraid of women, because you know social anxiety and everything.

The men on the manosphere who are "afraid of marriage" are probably more afraid of the state.

[–]BlacksTheOldOrange9 points10 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Intelligence & independence are the most underrated female attributes. They're not intimidating in the slightest. A moderately attractive woman with these attributes will have a long, long, line of suitors.

An entitled, fear-mongering woman with an over-inflated opinion of her own self-worth is not intelligent & independent. Annoyingly, they always think they are

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

A moderately attractive woman with these attributes will have a long, long, line of suitors.

TIL I'm unattractive.

[–]SkrattGoddess2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Le refined gentlesir is once again creating his own story about the luxurious life of an intelligent m'lady.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. It always make me laugh when guys talk about how many men are supposed to be throwing themselves at me. I've never been approached, so where does that leave me?

[–]trpobservereats ass1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've never been approached, so where does that leave me?

What do you look like?

Do you live in a city or the middle of nowhere?

How often do you go out? How often do you go out to specifically social gatherings like bars, clubs, parties, etc.?

These all effect the chances of being approached.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What do you look like?

There are pictures in my submission history.

Do you live in a city or the middle of nowhere?

I live downtown of a city of roughly 200,000 people not including college students.

How often do you go out? How often do you go out to specifically social gatherings like bars, clubs, parties, etc.?

Never.

My point was that many men on this subreddit act like men fall into my lap merely by existing.

[–]MilmandaRed Pill Woman0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lady, you're fat. That's why men don't approach you. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it's the truth.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Really? Then why do all those other fat girls have boyfriends? At any rate, I've lost 10 pounds since that picture was taken and guys still don't approach me.

[–]Milmanda points points [recovered] | Copy Link

First off, congratulations on your weight loss. :) I can't speak for "all those other fat girls," but I guess they put themselves into situations where they meet potential suitors? I saw that you post in /r/INTP a lot, which is interesting because that's what I've tested as too. I'm also a fat girl, so I suppose we have a lot in common. I've always been withdrawn and shy, but I was lucky and met a man that I really connected with in an online game--of all the places. But, hey, men can be shy too right? Maybe you should try approaching them instead and see if you have more luck!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to start doing that when I hit my weight goal. Right now, I don't want them to recoil in disgust when I approach them.

[–]SkrattGoddess2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they know soooo much about a woman's life.

That's why I laugh at their misery xD It's hilarious.

[–]trpobservereats ass0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Post a pic and then we'll talk

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are pictures in my submission history.

[–]trpobservereats ass1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, like me, you look slightly below average. Not that I think you'd have too much trouble finding a boyfriend. But no, men will not fall into your lap merely by existing. It would just be easier for you than for a guy of similar attractiveness with girls.

Edit: seeing as you never go out, I'm still willing to bet some guys would approach you in many different settings if you did.

[–]Skratt points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Le intelligent m'ladies will always have the most refined suitors at her feet!

The evil mean m'ladies are not a catch to gentlesirs such as myself! sips wine

[–]BlacksTheOldOrange1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I get the impression that this 'line of suitors' isn't something you've personally experienced. You mad?

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

No woman has a 'line of suitors' XD That's something you made up in your own sick mind. Who are you, a male neckbeard, to tell a woman she's mad because she's not living a fantasy life you made up?

[–]trpobservereats ass1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You are really obsessed with this whole neckbeard thing. I tip my fedora to you, oh angry one.

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You have never heard the word neckbeard leave my mouth before this comment. Ever.

[–]trpobservereats ass0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The m'lady and gentlesir talk is part of the whole "neckbeard" persona that you're going for

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's just 1 person.

Who else have I called a neckbeard?

[–]trpobservereats ass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its a young obsession, m-m-m'lady

[–]BlacksTheOldOrange0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What? Calm yourself down.

And they definitely do. I should know, I've been one of these women's suitors in the past. Didn't last, she was married at the time.

Also, one of my best friends for almost the last decade is an ambitious, headstrong woman (albeit a very attractive one) who's had so many guys fall for her it's beyond belief.

These women were/are; wealthy, ambitious, sarcastic, & quick-witted. And guys - myself included - fucking love them

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

XD mladies

[–]BlacksTheOldOrange0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't forget to feed the cats, you lonely sad sack.... XD

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

XD That's a cute depiction of me.

But I'm not lonely or sad.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If it were just the two of you on an otherwise uninhabited island, he would have nothing to fear from you.

Yeah most men aren't afraid of their date beating them up. Dunno what else she could do to you on an uninhabitated island.

When people talk about men being afraid of independent women it's mostly the fear of losing value as a provider. But that has already happened so whatever.

[–]LittleWindowpane points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Kill you while you sleep with big rock

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes but that's not something men are afraid of, in a dating scenario they are more afraid of their date calling the cops on them rather than physically assaulting them as OP suggested. In theory the woman at the bar could also pull her gun and shoot you so maybe we can extend OP's point and say men are not scared of women, men are scared of the state, sometimes men should be scared of women

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you are asshole on island during day, rape and beat woman, woman may take revenge at night with big rock. Is law of jungle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Jungle has no law. But yeah if you make enemies there's usually good reason to be afraid of them

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the jungle, might makes right. To a great degree. Piss off people and you might get some jungle justice.

[–]SkrattGoddess15 points16 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

Wtf are you rambling about? When a guy sees a hot intelligent woman, his first thought is not to think about her sending him to jail. This is ridiculous XD

[–]the_calibre_cat7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When a guy sees a hot intelligent woman, his first thought is not to think about her sending him to jail.

No, but that thought isn't very far down the line, particularly if/when things get intimate. Men know who the state works for, and it ain't men.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 17 points18 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

You are not a man. You have no idea of what men think.

That being said, most men are oblivious to the risks they face harbor no fear of the state, until it's too late. I was talking about the men who seem 'afraid' of women.

[–]SkrattGoddess13 points14 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Clearly you don't either xD If most men were that scared no one would get laid ever.

'You don't know what men think' you have a sub dedicated to assuming how women think xD Bye.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Well do you have a sub dedicated to assuming how men think? No you don't so how can you know

[–]SkrattGoddess2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

...What?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Red pillers talk about how women think all the time so obviously they should know. But you don't talk about at great length how men think so I'm questioning your expertise

[–]SkrattGoddess2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But they aren't women though stupid voice

[–]DevilishRogueKnows more than you2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sure you've heard the "If you want to catch a fish do you ask a fish or a fisherman?" argument enough times not to need it repeating, but suffice to say that the overwhelming majority of women (and men too for that matter) don't have the slightest clue about how they think.

[–]SkrattGoddess3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Neither do men, hence why I made the comment that sparked this shitshow of a thread.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Irrelevant because they talk so much about women they could all get a degree in women's studies. You should open up your own blog to talk about men. Call yourself the rational female or Heartista or something

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't care enough to make a blog about men xD I really don't.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women don't care bout men, confirmed red pill :(

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Clearly you don't either xD If most men were that scared no one would get laid ever.

Did he say most men?

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No.

He said men.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

From context it was clear he was referring to those men labeled by the women he described as being afraid of women.

[–]SkrattGoddess0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it was not clear.

[–]Me2_09 points10 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

You have a greater chance of getting gunned down in the street or die in a car accident several times over, than getting a false rape accusation through the initial stages of the courts.

Worrying about extremely unlikely hypotheticals will make you go insane because there really is nothing to worry about.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 13 points14 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

You have a greater chance of getting gunned down in the street

That's true.

die in a car accident several times over,

Accidents are irrelevant because they are, by definition, unintended. A false accusation is an act someone consciously and intentionally commits. This is not a lightning bolt, or a freak of nature. This is a human being deciding to destroy you.

If a psychopathic woman is angry with you, the chance of a false accusations jumps to 100%. And when that happens, all the statistics in the world won't save your life and your reputation.

[–]Meetchel7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've dated, slept with, and had very drunk ONS with many women (including quite a few I know were clinically diagnosed with mental disorders) in my numerous years as a single straight male, and have literally never been accused of rape. Where do you get this 100% stat from?

[–]midnightvulpine5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

And how likely are you to run into this hypothetical psychopath? Intent on their part or not, meeting and getting involved with people like this certainly is accidental. No one intentionally seeks out unfortunate people. So the analogy stands. You're in more danger driving to work each day than you are to have some woman screw over your life. Yet I doubt you pause to consider each time you get be hind the wheel.

It's like someone who is afraid of flying, when airplanes are actually pretty damn safe. The fear is overblown.

[–]the_calibre_cat4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like someone who is afraid of flying, when airplanes are actually pretty damn safe. The fear is overblown.

Yeah, but airplanes are engineered and built to be that way. There are no such assurances with any other person's mind - and the potential for loss is enormous. I would much rather die in a plane crash than be a pariah for the rest of my life for a crime I didn't commit.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

And how likely are you to run into this hypothetical psychopath?

Once you do, all statistics and probabilities go out the window.

No one intentionally seeks out unfortunate people.

See: gold diggers.

You're in more danger driving to work each day than you are to have some woman screw over your life.

Again, intentional vs unintentional. If some woman gets it in her head to destroy you, there's nothing you can do.

It's like someone who is afraid of flying, when airplanes are actually pretty damn safe.

I am apprehensive about flying. But the ratio of intentional to unintentional accidents is quite low. Whereas ALL false accusations are intentional.

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one intentionally seeks out unfortunate people.

See: gold diggers.

Oh please.

Most men who are marrying a gold digger know they're marrying a gold digger. They think it's more important to marry a good-looking woman, even a gold-digger, than it is to marry a non gold-digger who might be less physically attractive, and that's their choice. They both made their choice, and he's paying for her company with his money.

Most 60 year old millionaires know that their 25 year old wives wouldn't be attracted to them if they weren't rich.

They're not unfortunate people.

[–]midnightvulpine3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Like I said before, you don't look for psychopaths in your life. They aren't common. So running into one is akin to getting into an accident. Because it's an unintended consequence of social interaction. A car plowing into you will do its damage irrespective of your choices in life, there is t much you can do to stop it. If you want to continue to spin this flimsy separation as a way to ignore the suggestion that this overriding fear some men carry is overblown.

No one I know seeks out gold diggers. And if one seems you out, there are ways to insulate yourself. But that still doesn't answer to my opinion that the danger of running into a woman intent on maliciously ruining your life for some reason is rare. It happens, but it is no epidemic, any more than any other malicious human encounter is, male or female.

[–]SilentLurker6661 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You don't look for rapist in your life either. Rapist aren't common (if you go by FBI's statistics instead of feminist statistics). Yet here we are.

The very action of men avoiding bad dating experience (either gold diggers, serial cheaters, high N-count women, or women who'll falsely accuse you of rape) is very much part of today's sexual strategy for men just like how one should avoid accidents from happening.... sure the chances are could be rare... but a responsible individual should actively avoid "accidents" in the first place.

[–]midnightvulpine4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

There's a difference between being cautious and pushing fear to levels not warranted. I don't necessarily agree with some of those who push rape fear the most either. Caution is good, but panic is not.

[–]SilentLurker6661 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

But who are you to justify if the level of caution is warranted or not? For one, doesn't this depend on context?

Sure if you go on a blank slate vs the example on article posted by OP where the girl literally say she knows the chief of police, alarm bells should be ringing.

The fact is that with the recent events in the media regarding false rape accusation, most men are more aware of such dangers in today's dating scene, and the should be given today's tension between the genders and the political climate. The problem is BP wanted to diluted the dialog and deescalated this into a non-issue or even resort to shaming language. This should be looked down upon because today's men should be "cautious" and be more socially aware of the dangers in today's society.

[–]Me2_04 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its definately not jumping to 100%, maybe 2 or 3%, I have known many women in and around mental health hospitals and the impression you probably have of "true crazy" is probably not completely accurate.

I think of everything in number and probability because of my career, but applying it to normal life helps a lot when looking for priorities to think and worry about, and things to shove under the rug.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have known many women in and around mental health hospitals and the impression you probably have of "true crazy" is probably not completely accurate.

Maybe not clinically diagnosed, but I'm talking about vengeful and hateful women. It's not like false accusations have never occurred before. But even then, false accusations are but ONE of the weapons she can wield via the state.

[–]RedPill1150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its definately not jumping to 100%, maybe 2 or 3%

Just the rate at which feminists bring us proveably false accusations stories is much, much higher than that.

It's the usual bunch of half truths - women who are raped often don't want to report it and go through recounting it when the odds of being able to "prove" it happened are low.

At the same time, the trauma of recounting it doesn't apply to girls who are simply angry, or made it up. They're actors putting on a performance, each performance is gratifying to them until they get bored with it.

Feminists have been encouraging women to make fake (or "misunderstood") accusations. I've had a girl tell me "thanks for not raping me" because I got a weird vibe from her and left before anything happened, because she had had some drinks - 8 hours before. I've watched a girl try to coerce a guy into dating her by telling him she could call their clearly "be sure to come back next week" fwb arrangement "rape" in a blatant attempt to try to hold onto him (she wasn't coy about it, she was clear that she was threatening him).

There's a lot more girls, given the social space to do so, who would happily make up horrible rumors that fuck you over and ruin you - than there are guys who actually want to rape.

[–]thrwpllw6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a greater chance of getting gunned down in the street or die in a car accident several times over, than getting a false rape accusation through the initial stages of the courts.

A man has a greater chance of being raped than he does of being falsely accused of rape, for pity's sake, but you'd never know that based on the ink spent on the subjects...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you get married you have a fifty percent chance of getting divorce raped. By the state.

[–]Me2_00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol that is a totally different thread, its practically socially acceptable

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

getting a false rape accusation through the initial stages of the courts

But a false accusation doesn't need to go to court at all to cause enormous damage to your life. All she has to do is talk to her friends, or your friends, or (if you're in school) campus police.

[–]ThirdEyeSqueegeed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. The women who write these articles are not that hot or intelligent, they're just bitter because Chad won't LTR them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a back-of-the-mind thing. Push comes to shove, all men know the woman has the power to bring the state to bear on him, same as all women know that 99% of men will be able to overpower her at any time. We also know snakes bite, dogs can be aggressive, and guns can kill

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

i haven't read any of those articles (seriously guys, stop seeking this out if it bugs you; it's not common, and easy to avoid) but even TRP has men telling themselves things so that they feel less nervous and worried about approaching women.

there are certainly men who have posted even here on PPD about what a horrible fate it is that women no longer have to rely on men to be providers (independence).

most women are not just flippantly calling the cops on men for fun, and cops are not just running off to arrest men if they happen to look at a woman the wrong way. if this is how you feel about the state of things, then you need to get away from any pill stuff, take a breath, and spend some time observing the real world.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist6 points7 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

I did observe the real world. The whole reason I googled "False accusations by women" and stuff like that in the FIRST place is because I've heard about it from many non-pill men IRL and seen women play victim a lot when the guy didn't do anything wrong, and expecting me to white knight for them. The observations started WAY before any pills.

I think you're suffering from "Just world phenomenon", which in psychology refers to people who benefit from double standards being more likely to say that the world is fair, or you could be aware of it and just be gaslighting us. We know what we're seeing and experiencing, and don't need a person who has never experienced our hardships telling us otherwise.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

I did observe the real world. The whole reason I googled "False accusations by women" and stuff like that in the FIRST place is because I've heard about it from many non-pill men IRL and seen women play victim a lot when the guy didn't do anything wrong, and expecting me to white knight for them. The observations started WAY before any pills.

so if you noticed something was off and you didn't like it, why didn't you get new friends, or try talking to other people? did you challenge what you were thinking in any way, or choose to play victim yourself? surely you don't think that the small group of people that surround you are the entire world.

I think you're suffering from "Just world phenomenon", which in psychology refers to people who benefit from double standards being more likely to say that the world is fair, or you could be aware of it and just be gaslighting us. We know what we're seeing and experiencing, and don't need a person who has never experienced our hardships telling us otherwise.

you see cops beating and arresting men for looking sideways at women on a daily basis? you regularly see women on the streets cackling and cheering each other on for their strength and intelligence as they call the cops on random strangers? you think it's the common woman's MO to use the legal system to go after men in any way that they can? no, that i don't believe. it's not because of just world or whatever bullshit you're trying to pin on me; it's just not realistic.

again... this is a consciously chosen belief, some weird comfort in paranoia. it's not different than the things that radfems believe, and it's no more realistic or rational than some of the insane things i've seen radfems say. i'm someone who worries too much, and even i can see that this is an irrational fear.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 8 points9 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

so if you noticed something was off and you didn't like it, why didn't you get new friends, or try talking to other people?

Distance yourself from the people who look out for you? What advice is this?

you see cops beating and arresting men for looking sideways at women on a daily basis?

I've seen male victims of female violence get arrested. That's worse than your attempted dystopian satire.

you think it's the common woman's MO to use the legal system to go after men in any way that they can?

Whether the common woman engages in such behavior is irrelevant. What is pertinent is she shouldn't have this unequal power over men.

i'm someone who worries too much, and even i can see that this is an irrational fear.

Are you a woman? If you are, it is an irrational fear for you.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red1 point2 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I've seen male victims of female violence get arrested. That's worse than your attempted dystopian satire.

And burglars who fall on the stairs or cut themselves on the window they broke sue the homeowner.

The legal system has problems, but a few very visible problems doesn't mean the whole system is broken.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Much lower conviction rates with equal evidence for women, and a bigger (huge!) sentence disparity between men and women for equal crimes than between blacks and whites, indicates a gendered problem in the legal system though.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I agree. That does need to be fixed.

The issues you have referenced are a somewhat different issue from male victims of gendered violence being arrested, because they deal with the courts and the trial and justice system rather than police response and enforcement. They're related though, especially at the root cause level.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

The root cause is the "women are wonderful effect". I mean statistics show a male victim of female perpetrated domestic violence is more likely to be arrested than his abuser. That's because of primary aggressor laws and the duluth model that law enforcement is indoctrinated with, but even before those laws and that model, that was the case, because the "women are wonderful effect" comes from evolution.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

While I'm certain it happens, I'd love to see the actual statistics on how often, since you have them.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Denise Hines, Ph.D. is a research assistant psychology professor at Clark University and a research associate at the Family Research Laboratory and Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire. At the conference, Dr. Hines detailed her findings on what happens when abused men seek help by calling the police. About a third of all domestic violence injuries are suffered by men. Hines' study included 302 heterosexual men, ages 18 to 59, who had been in a relationship lasting at least one month within the previous year, had been physically assaulted by their female partners within the previous year, and had sought outside assistance/support. The median age of the abused men was 40, and the median age of their abusive female partners was 38. The relationships had lasted on average a little over eight years, and 73% of them had minor children. About two-thirds were married, separated, or divorced. The men in the survey who called the police found them to be "very helpful" in only 19% of cases, and "not at all helpful" in 50% of cases. More importantly, when an abused man called the police, the police were more likely to arrest him than to arrest his abusive female partner. The men who called the police were arrested in 26% of cases, whereas their abusive partners were arrested in only 17%. Half the time the police arrested nobody, despite the abuse, and in 8% of the cases they arrested both the abuser and the victim. In those cases where the police did identify the abused man's female partner as the aggressor, in 29% of cases, they refused to arrest the abusive woman. In 39% of these cases they said that there was nothing they could do and left. One abused man said: The [police] first response was to arrest me, even after she turned on them, they did nothing.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to keep this in a different thread.

I believe the root cause is that women are seen as inherently weaker and in need of protection. they are the "victim" by definition because they can't be anything else in traditional models of masculinity/femininity. Likewise men can't be victims of gendered violence for the same reason. In traditional relationship models the man always has the power, and is therefore always responsible even when violence is perpetrated against them. Physical violence and aggression are seen as exclusively "male", and even if a woman is violent it isn't seen as "real" violence.

This model no longer applies (if it ever really did), but it is deeply ingrained in our societal consciousness and constantly reinforced by a majority of social conditioning and media.

Is this the "Women are Wonderful" effect as you see it? Because I think that's a pretty inaccurate name. If not, I'd be interested to hear your alternate explanation in more detail.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not just with violence and protection though, people allow lack of agency for women when it comes to ANY crime, not just violent ones. That's why I think it's evolutionary, women are just seen as more valuable and less disposable than men due to having vaginas, which are less common than sperm. It's not like this is different from other primates. In chimp tribes, females are seen as more valuable and less disposable than males, except for 1 alpha male, which is a position many males can fight over, so even though he's more valuable, he's always THIS close to losing that value if he becomes weak.

[–]PurpleBanner0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe the root cause is that women are seen as inherently weaker and in need of protection.

No, women playing off their oppression as being seen by others as inherently weak and in need of protection is part of a woman's staple of negotiation tactics.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And burglars who fall on the stairs or cut themselves on the window they broke sue the homeowner.

That's retarded, too. But there's no gender discrimination here.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The point is that the law is sometimes applied in stupid ways. Sometimes gender is involved and sometimes it isn't.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The legal system has problems, but a few very visible problems doesn't mean the whole system is broken.

I believe at some point the sheer number of "problems" tends to point to the idea that a new solution is necessary. Maybe we can haggle over the number of problems, but I see a bunch personally, and they all aren't around family court/law.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually, I agree, the legal system is pretty broken. I'm not really sure what my larger point was, I think the "whole system" I was trying to refer to was the domestic violence response portion of the system, which is no more broken than the rest of it, but I articulated it so poorly I don't even know what I meant. I've confused myself.

[–]PurpleBanner points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Actually, I agree, the legal system is pretty broken. I'm not really sure what my larger point was, I think the "whole system" I was trying to refer to was the domestic violence response portion of the system, which is no more broken than the rest of it, but I articulated it so poorly I don't even know what I meant. I've confused myself.

A woman with a crisis of conscience is huge.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I'm misinterpreting your statement I apologize, but I'm a dude.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It's really not so much false rape accusations. It's divorce. It's the divorce meat grinder that these men go thru.

These guys lose literally everything in their divorces. They lose their money, their houses, their cars, their retirements. They lose their children - relationships with their children and the chance to help raise them. They get chained to a child support/alimony treadmill where up to 75% of their income is garnished, leaving them to live on 1/4 of what they used to live on. These men go into total impoverishment, depression, and isolation.

THAT is the real issue here. Yeah, false rape accusations is part of it. Divorce and the subsequent poverty, isolation and mental disorders it produces in the men it affects, are the real issues here. (While ex wife lives it up in the house her ex husband still pays the mortgage on, and fucks a string of bad boys and assholes in the bed he bought.)

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I never said false rape accusations, there's many different types: false violence accusations, false theft accusations, false cheating accusations, and I've seen women do all of those to men.

I'll give an example, I have a buddy, small nice asian guy, known him for years, always tries to help people, very positive. His gf went into a downtown area with more lower socioeconomic class people and claimed she had her purse stolen. She called the police and claimed it was him who stole it. The police ended up checking surveillance footage where she claimed it was stolen, and there was nothing there, turns out she had it the whole time. This dude is super nice, and would never steal someone's shit, he even bought me a sub once.

It's just one example, but I have many, and my point is that women can lie/hamster about anything, and the guy better have video evidence proving his innocence, because the police WILL side with her. Hell, there's been cases where that video evidence gets thrown out of court and the guy is deemed "guilty" anyway.

So yes, men are fucking scared of women.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah those are all true. Seen women in divorces do this - falsely accuse husband of threatening her or hitting her, when all he did was yell back at her because she'd been haranguing him for hours on end; or move past her while she was physically blocking his route of escape.

False accusations of cheating when they never happened.

All a woman has to do is squeak meekly to a police officer: .Ifeelunsafe and all holy hell will break loose on the hapless man.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So yes, men are fucking scared of women.

No, they're scared of the state. All the accusations in the world would amount to nothing if they weren't backed up by men with guns.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's like saying a woman is scared of a rapist's penis, not the rapist himself. Sure, the penis might inflict physical harm, but most of the harm is emotional from seeing someone enjoy your pain and cognitive dissonance if she involuntarily orgasms (some do).

Men feel a similar betrayal and violation from someone they trusted, from seeing her pleasure in watching them suffer, from cognitive dissonance of still being attracted to her even though she hurt them and they hate her. The woman is the cause, not the state, the state is just a weapon. A lunatic with a gun is only slightly more dangeous than a lunatic with a knife and a brain.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's like saying a woman is scared of a rapist's penis, not the rapist himself.

No. Here, both offending parts are inextricably linked physically. Women have acquired the power of the government only recently, and only in the west.

Men feel a similar betrayal and violation from someone they trusted, from seeing her pleasure in watching them suffer, from cognitive dissonance of still being attracted to her even though she hurt them and they hate her.

True, but it doesn't take away from my point. The most common cause of fear is danger, and nothing is more dangerous to the man than the government.

the state is just a weapon

Not all weapons are equal.

A lunatic with a gun is only slightly more dangeous than a lunatic with a knife and a brain.

Disagree completely. One has far more range, and far more scope for destruction.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Elliot Rogers killed 3 people with a gun and 3 people with a knife. Guns are loud and attract attention and make people flee or get help, but a stealthy person with a knife can kill far more people before being caught or stopped. A person's brain is far more dangerous than what they're armed with.

[–]DrunkGirl69Manic Pixie Drunk Girl1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How can video evidence be thrown out? Was it suspected to have been tampered with?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's not authenticated, yes. Not that it happens very often to my knowledge.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

States with two party consent laws for recording. Guys in those states literally can't record video evidence in private to defend themselves from potential accusations, because it's illegal.

[–]questioningwomandetached from society-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and because a lot of guys saw their dads go through this, they want to control women and are afraid of women who don't want to be controlled. Am I correct? Any woman who doesn't want to be controlled or is the least bit argumentative triggers them.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So a woman who divorce rapes a man, or levies a false accusation and lies is a woman who doesn't want to be controlled stopping a man from controlling her? Did Hitler want to stop jews from controlling him, is that why he engaged in genocide? This is so backwards...

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

(seriously guys, stop seeking this out if it bugs you; it's not common, and easy to avoid)

It doesn't bug me. It keeps me alert. It reminds me to never let my guard down.

most women are not just flippantly calling the cops on men for fun,

But all women have that power. The power to ruin their man's life at the slightest whim, courtesy of the state.

cops are not just running off to arrest men if they happen to look at a woman the wrong way.

Cops are obligated to make an arrest on a domestic violence call. They follow the Predominant Aggressor policy (read: ARREST THE MAN).

if this is how you feel about the state of things, then you need to get away from any pill stuff, take a breath, and spend some time observing the real world.

It is the real world, not TRP, that led me to this conclusion.

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Cops are obligated to make an arrest on a domestic violence call. They follow the Predominant Aggressor policy (read: ARREST THE MAN).

What states/countries have this law? Because I've honestly never heard of it but would seriously (not sarcastically) want to know where this happens.

[–]CaptainNeeMoNoy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The Duluth Model is used in my home state of Florida, and it requires that the man be arrested in any DV call. I've tried looking up all the other states it applies in and I've never been able to find a cohesive list.

All I can find is a quote from their site that suggests it's implemented in many states and possibly in other countries as well: "The Duluth Model is the most widely-adopted approach in the world for intervening with men who batter and keeping women safer. It has influenced and shaped much of national and state-level policy around batterer intervention and domestic violence work because of its innovative methods and success."

http://www.theduluthmodel.org/about/faqs.html

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I went to their website and I haven't read anything about it saying that they automatically arrest the man without evidence. Can you link me to somewhere on that website where it says that?

I checked the duluth model wikipedia too and couldn't see it saying that.

[–]CaptainNeeMoNoy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go read through the Duluth Model website. They hold that if a man is being physically abused by a woman, he must have been violent towards her in the past.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Duluth model. Almost all police agencies use it.

[–]RedPill1150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

most women are not just flippantly calling the cops on men for fun, and cops are not just running off to arrest men if they happen to look at a woman the wrong way. if this is how you feel about the state of things, then you need to get away from any pill stuff, take a breath, and spend some time observing the real world.

Likewise, most men are not flippantly raping girls for fun. Most men find rape either boring or disgusting - it doesn't provide the validation of sleeping with the girl, it doesn't provide the emotions, and for most men having a girl quaking with anger disgust and fear at them is a huge turnoff.

If you feel we live in a "rape culture", then you need to get away from feminism, take a breath, and spend some time observing the real world.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.24 points25 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

I think this is a bit of a stretch. I've never known any man IRL to express any such sort of fear, it's only here that I see this. I highly doubt "men" are scared of intelligent/independent women because they might make false accusations of rape/abuse one day. "Men" have insecurities in dating/relationships, just as women do, but I doubt this is high on that list.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 24 points25 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

I've never known any man IRL to express any such sort of fear

To express fear openly is unbecoming of a man.

I highly doubt "men" are scared of intelligent/independent women because they might make false accusations of rape/abuse one day.

That's true, albeit not in the way you intended.

Men who are oblivious to the risks they face harbor no fear of the state, until it's too late.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.10 points11 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

You're coming off a bit fear mongering here. Same as those feminists who want a safe "out" on a bad date because they are scared of violence/rape. Like dudes are going to attack you in a public place or follow you to your car and jump. It's boogeyman fear, IMO.

That being said, a good rule of thumb when dealing with a crazy or angry ex is to never collect your things or whathaveyou alone, bring a witness. This goes for both men and women.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You're coming off a bit fear mongering here.

With good reason.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That's the same one person you quoted already. Got anything else?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

DOn't need anything else. His position is pretty much the majority position on YMY.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No, you do need something else if you want to prove that this is the "majority position". One person's blog isn't enough.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not if this one person represents the majority position on YMY, which he does.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Show me proof of this and I'm willing to entertain it. Until then, you're not supporting your argument.

[–]DevilishRogueKnows more than you6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't be childish. There are no peer reviewed studies on this, there is just what informed men know and are aware that other men know.

[–]midnightvulpine4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which you state as truth without any other qualification. Which is just as effective as if I simply responded to you with, no it isn't. You really should try harder.

Personally, I don't agree with the writer of the article. Whether it no the majority does(or even knows much about the law) I don't know.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"No means yes, yes means anal"

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Same as those feminists who want a safe "out" on a bad date because they are scared of violence/rape.

Because all men. But if feminists want such an out, make the date something like at Starbucks or some other public venue with an easy out.

It's boogeyman fear, IMO.

FUD seems to fit better here, as the fear is "taught" spread to others and the fear mongering continues. I mean look at how much feminists promote rape being some systematic thing and women going to be raped by some stranger. In reality up until 2013 rapes where steady decreasing according to the FBI. More so women are far more likely to be raped by someone they know than by a stranger. FYI only reason rapes went up in 2013 is that is the first year FBI including male victims (only took 80 years).

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Because all men.

But that's what I'm saying -- that's also an irrational fear, IMO.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but this also stems from the feminist narrative from talking about men as a group not as individuals.

[–]midnightvulpine3 points4 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

In the same way that those fearmongering over false rape allegations talk about women as a whole or a hivemind. It cuts both ways, really. Both sides like to generalize far too much.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Tho with the false rape side I think there its much more trying to raise awareness of it, while we and our dog Spot knows that men are rapist (never women) and that its always done in some back alley because that's where us men have our meetings at.

With the false rape thing, while stat wise its not an epidemic, the affects of it and what feminists are illegally pushing for needs to be addressed. Its saying something when a group of feminists are fighting their own to stop the removal of due process in regards to college rape.

[–]midnightvulpine0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

What exactly is being pushed for illegally?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Removal of due process a legal right granted to all.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man8 points9 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I dont think intelligent or independant women are any more likely to press charges

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't either.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont think intelligent or independant women are any more likely to press charges

Women who proclaim to be intelligent and independent tend to be neither. For women who do possess those virtues don't need to remind everyone. It is the former group that I refer to in my original post.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

In my experience it's equally likely, but more intelligent women will spin better lies, and are therefore more dangerous.

[–]Me2_07 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Intelligent women are more likely to have empathy, therefore avoid hurting others. A smart girl would not do some stupid shit like that because she would have to stoop down several levels of maturity. Its only a few dumbasses who are out there cheating and scheming. You guys act like it is 99% of the population.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's that "poisoned M&M's" analogy that feminists like to use about men?

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I've seen that analogy that conservatives make about immigrants more than feminists using that analogy about men.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5qaq7r/men_are_not_scared_of_women_men_are_scared_of_the/dcxpo0p/

Did you read my story here about my friend? His gf was an intelligent asian girl. Women hamster away immoral shit regardless of whether they're intelligent or not. In their mind they actually don't think of it as hurting others and rationalize it. A more intelligent brain is capable of coming up with more intelligent rationalizations for bad behavior too. It's not like smart people are immune to addiction, smart people get addicted to alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs too, and then can rationalize it just like anyone else. Women get addicted to feels. The difference is, with drugs, you have to try them first, but with feels you just might get them one day and boom, you're addicted.

[–]autoNFAPurple Pill4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Mattress Girl (Emma Sulkowicz) and Jackie Coakley were both schemers, yet they were smart enough to get into good universities (Columbia and UVA). There are more who don't get caught in their lies.

[–]Me2_04 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes but those are two individuals out of how many in the god damned country? Its not a huge fucking problem which is why those stories are so shocking.

If you actually have met someone raped on a college campus you would know that its near impossible to get REAL JUSTICE. The rapist gets off scott free with barely a statement taken by police. Definately no arrests are made, definately no guy's life being ruined.

You as a guy are obviously going to sympathize with another guy's situation rather than empathy for a girl whos rapist is running free, which happens to be a much larger widespread problem.

[–]autoNFAPurple Pill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm mainly challenging the point that "a smart girl would not do some stupid shit like that". Intelligent women do in fact do shit like that, often enough to say that it's a thing that happens, even if infrequently.

[–]Me2_00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In general the more intellectual you are, the more valueble you think other life forms are.

If you are purposely causing severe emotional trauma to someone for "fun", that is a mental illness, not a normal girl, doing normal things.

Now is the chance of a girl having a similar mental illness higher these days? Yeah I think so, higher than their respective male partners as well. I think there are a lot of differences between what drives men vs. What drives women, but in recent times with social media, there seems to be a generation with less self esteem than previous generations. That can cause some SERIOUSLY dynamic consequences.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was there ever proof that mattress girl's claim was actually false? I don't know the other one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You've met me

[–]NinjaSpartanZXPurple so you can stop debating a strawman!0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All of my friends are afraid of girls like this.. I won't even talk about the work place.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have paranoid friends then.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I read that one article which was kind of stupid. What woman is going to be naive enough to tell a potential date is is an activist surrounding rape prevention/education? Plus, this meme promoted by TRP that women are all running around saying " oooooh I am an empowered intelligent lady person woo hoo " that is some college girl bullshit. Once you are in the adult world you realize everybody has their own baggage to deal with, they are too busy worrying about that not, which of their colleagues are empowered. Save it for yoga class.

Honestly the number of rape activists dating is pretty small, so this is like a micro non existent problem that I don't care about.

Interesting how the OP ended the blurb implying the fear would likely be reversed if there were any fear at all.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting how the OP ended the blurb implying the fear would likely be reversed if there were any fear at all.

I never implied anything of the sort. Where are you going with this?

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not going anywhere. Where are you going?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What woman is going to be naive enough to tell a potential date is is an activist surrounding rape prevention/education?

That's less of a problem than her needlessly hostile stance.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She seemed annoying, yes.

[–]cinmacn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

College girls are generally the most attractive, so it makes sense that men would be most concerned with them.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay, I'll CYV: It's not being scared - not of the state, and certainly not of the woman in question. It's just lacking compatibility, plain and simple.

  • intelligence is a dealbreaker because it means you're in some regard living in different worlds. You have different hobbies, your intellectual horizon is different, your humor is different, you consider each other frustrating (the more intelligent partner is frustrated by the other's boneheadedness, the less intelligent partner by the other being exhausting) etc. Physical attractiveness can cover this problem for a time, but ultimately odds are that you're just plain and simply incompatible.
  • "independence" (or rather: vocal claims of having that trait) is just "bitch-signalling". I am not afraid of that woman, I am not afraid that she'll turn the power of the courts against me if we have a falling out, I simply think she's an annoying person who will get on my nerves, and this makes any further objections unnecessary. Bonus points for that sort of claim usually being little more than self-adulation.

[–]give_me_shinieshere for the bants3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This sounds spot on to me. I imagine men are more inclined to think she's just a headache, rather than thinking of false rape n the courts or whatever.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men are terrified of the state, which isn't always a bad thing. Abuse of women has been a serious issue and men being afraid is good when justified.

However women are not afraid, which isn't good. Women know their abuse of their spouses or even their children will probably not carry penalties, or will carry less than what a man would get.

Also men are somewhat intimidated by women who are smarter or wealthier than them. And women are somewhat repulsed by men who are dumber, poorer and less educated than them. Thems the breaks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Abuse of women has been a serious issue and men being afraid is good when justified.

Other men have been enforcing this issue since the dawn of time. Don't believe me? Go to a bar, put your hand on a women, see how that progresses.

There is no point in history where the protection of women hasn't been priority #1, above almost everything else.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Strong Confident WomenTM aren't intimidating, they are just annoying if they don't turn it off outside of business hours. It's bad enough having guys try to AMOG you; I don't need women doing it too.

Being an anti-rape activist is fine and all (because of course, us guys are all pro-rape and they need a counter-balance) but a chick who reads you the riot act before your meet up, that isn't intimidating either it is a just a huge red flag.

Plus, if a woman claims to have been raped one of two things are going on a) she was actually raped and probably kind of messed up or b) what happened did not actually amount to rape and yet she made the accusation. Either way, you probably have better options available even if she is rather hot looking.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I imagine having a drink and watching a ballgame with the guys, and all he does is ramble on about his business deals, and how alpha he is.

Don't be surprised when you aren't invited next season, and it's not because I'm intimidated.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It pretty much runs in both directions. Arrogance is not confidence, and bragging about stuff is annoying.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. If you're not thirsty, every one of those chicks just comes across as the used car salesman.

Except I gotta hear about them pump themselves up about it

[–]thefisherman1964 points points [recovered] | Copy Link

The state is the biggest threat to the prosperity of the individual and it must be dismantled

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

You TRP guys seem to fear everything. And if you don't fear it you sure spend a lot of time telling us over and over how much you don't fear it.

"I'm totally not scared right now."

  • TRP guys

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And if you don't fear it you sure spend a lot of time telling us over and over how much you don't fear it.

We are afraid. You are wrong on what we are afraid of, as I demonstrated in the main post.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

"I'm not scared of intelligent women; I'm just scared that intelligent women call the cops on me" is like the best cop out ever.

"I'm not afraid of the dark. It's just scary in the dark"

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What a retarded argument. Is that the best you can do?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]BeyondTheLight1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The analogy really doesn't apply here. It should be something like "I'm not afraid of the dark. I am afraid of the monster in the dark."

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually wanted to include ghosts but somehow forgot about it

[–]BeyondTheLight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe a wendigo would have done the trick!

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The intelligent woman is not scary, the questionably intelligent cops with guns and legal authority to use them are. How is this not simple and obvious?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a genuine concern. I used to smack around weak guys with bitch-like ways (blue pill guys) constantly as a teenager.

I don't do it so much now tho, cuz I don't wanna go to jail.

[–]CaptainNeeMoNoy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are certain things that you should be afraid of due to being male. If you're in a state that uses the Duluth Model and you get accused of DV, you're going to jail. If you go up against a woman in court, she has a massive advantage due to her gender.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't worry about any of that shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

TIL guys can also shit test.

interesting, if he passes, do you get wetter?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tell me more about how not scared you are.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fear was never my motivation for joining. Same as I'm sure you didn't become PPD because you feel empowered by mocking your 'lessers'

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True all around.

[–]LewisCross points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Can't argue with this at all.

Women can't enforce any of their rights on their own. The state, government, with its money, power, brute force, and laws that can imprison, impoverish, and even kill you, are the real powers here.

And in every relationship, even every marriage, every woman holds the threatpoint like a Sword of Damocles over her man's head. And it is:

"You will do what I say, give me what I want, and do what I want. If you don't, i'll divorce you and take your money forever, leave you penniless, and it'll take you months or years to get laid again. I'll call the police and have them arrest you. I'll press criminal charges against you and have you imprisoned if I can. And if I can't get you imprisoned, i'll jam you up for weeks, months or years with the police and the courts, and make your life a living hell. Think I won't do it? TRY ME."

That's what every man instinctively knows now whenever he interacts with a woman.

[–]LyaninaBlue Pill3 points4 points  (50 children) | Copy Link

That's taking OP's statement a bit further. Every man, any interaction with a woman? I don't think the idea even crosses most men's mind.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

Ezra Klein on Yes Means Yes affirmative consent laws:

men need to feel a cold spike of fear when they begin a sexual encounter.

To work, "Yes Means Yes" needs to create a world where men are afraid.

It's clearly stated: The intent is to threaten and intimidate men, to make them afraid, to create a culture of fear. The intent is to bring change through threats of imprisonment for aggressively pursuing a sexual encounter.

[–]LyaninaBlue Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, America.

But now we're not talking about the same thing. If that is the intent, I still think it's not really affecting most men. Most men who are having sex are not terrified they'll be accused of rape.

[–]midnightvulpine4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, that's what he thinks it should be, that is not the stated intent of the thing itself unless you have text to that fact. Don't conflate one person's opinion with the intent of those who drafted it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

I don't think most women would agree with that. It would be like me saying I'm scared of men because I read RooshV.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Don't agree with what? Klein's statements, or the very reasonable interpretation thereof ?

Roosh doesn't have the power to impoverish or imprison you. The worst he could do is to offend you a little.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I think you get my point. The quote you linked is likely not something many women would agree with. Inspiring fear in men based on a few radfem sentiments is a bit irrational to me.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't matter what many women would agree with. Yes Means Yes is the law in CA college campuses and it will spread. Its clear intent is to intimidate and threaten. Legislators you elected will soon pass YMY laws. coming to a state near you....

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

And I'm not certain that most YMY supporters advocate for it to intimidate or scare men. The concept, in and of itself, is about clear consent, not striking fear in men.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The concept is about seizing power through instituting fear.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, it's not.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

But how do you define clear consent? and how can one give or get consent? Does it need to be "yes, I give you consent to have sex with me"? Or is behaviour okay? At what point or points are consent supposed to be given? At the start of the date? the end? at the start of the act? Should a man ask for consent every time he thrusts? Should he ask for consent every time he touches a part of her body that he hasn't yet touched? None of this is defined. For example, I've heard people say that sometimes, even though a woman has given clear consent, in the middle of the act, the woman can freeze up and get tense. She could say "yes, I'm okay, keep going" when you ask "hey, are you okay?". But, it's your job, as a man, to recognise that she isn't okay and stop. If you don't and you keep going, even though she is telling you to, you, in fact, did not have consent.

The idea of consent is good, but there is no way it can ever be practical. The fact that it is a law and people go to jail for not getting it is ridiculous and this exists in order to give power to women. That power, which allows each individual woman, not the law, to essentially define when a crime has taken place incites fear. How could it not? It would be like saying you could go to jail if someone accuses you of having messy handwriting, without it actually saying what constitutes "messy handwriting". Or it would be like saying you could go to jail someone accuses you of being too noisy without saying what "too noisy" means. How many decibels? What proof other than the accusation would be needed? THAT is a scary thought, and that is what consent is in our society.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Those questions are partly why I'm against YMY too. The practicality, the nature of sexual relationships, the unsurety, it's a bit too much.

But I don't think it allows only women to define it. I think the idea is to get express verbal consent. That's not as unambiguous as it sounds, it's just unrealistic. Also, I'll point out to you that the current standard used under criminal law is "no means no", and male defendants have been arguing anything but an express verbal "no" means consent for decades. i.e., "well she never said no." So while I don't like YMY, it's not like the current standard doesn't encourage defenses which are based upon what she expressly says. It just seems hypocritical to require her express verbal nonconsent but then say it's not required for consent. Fortunately, that doesn't always fly, but it used to quite frequently in the past (from what I've been told anyway).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, a man has to check in every time he does anything.

"May I kiss you?" "May I touch your left breast? May I touch your right breast? May I remove your shirt? May I remove your bra? May I touch your pussy? May I insert my penis into your vagina? May I begin thrusting?

He must get an affirmative, explicit, verbal YES to each and every question before he proceeds.

There was a video making the rounds a few years ago, showing this exact thing and making the argument that "consent is sexy!" The man was asking permission for every single act he wanted to do; her saying yes most of the time and "no" or "not yet" a couple of times. It was cringeworthy; I wish I could find it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Many women may not agree with it, but they sure don't do anything to counter it either.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

What exactly would you like for us to do about college disciplinary boards in states we don't even live in? Sorry, I have a lot of issues I contribute to and campaign for and do phone-a-thons for. It's not at the top of my list. That being said, if it ever came up in my state, I'd vote against it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

What exactly would you like for us to do about college disciplinary boards in states we don't even live in?

You can start being vocal about it and saying such things are stupid. I mean somehow feminists got their act together to organize the biggest protest since Vietnam. And that was all done online pretty much.

The one thing I can never get/understand about you feminists is you have all these resources, yet sit on your ass doing largely nothing. Instead you allow the radicals to represent feminism instead and you moderate feminists go meh. Mean while moderate feminist bitch over the image feminism has and blame us anti feminists for not understanding feminism.

[–]DrunkGirl69Manic Pixie Drunk Girl3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you care so much how about you organize a march? This isn't something that has affected anyone I know irl, so I have other priorities.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you care so much how about you organize a march?

And be attacked by feminists? No thanks I like to stay out of jail.

This isn't something that has affected anyone I know irl

So?

[–]DrunkGirl69Manic Pixie Drunk Girl1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Wut organizing a march doesn't get you put in jail

Edit - and if that were the case, why are you asking why I don't risk jail time if you wouldn't either?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Anytime it comes up on Reddit, I do. That's the extent of my involvement in something that doesn't effect me, isn't even in my state, and isn't at all related to all the other issues that I volunteer my time to. What are you doing? This issue is far down on the totem pole if issues I care most about, nor do I think criminal laws (which are what I care about) will start changing. Have you written any legislators? Made an phone calls? Donated any money? Anything?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's the extent of my involvement in something that doesn't effect me

Are you not a feminist?

What are you doing?

In regards to the topic of this thread, nothing as its by and large a non issue that the OP is fearmongering about. As far as gender issues themselves, I fight feminists, volunteer, and promote awareness of men's issues.

Have you written any legislators?

My state reps suck balls so no. Plus they rather pander to women and minorities than that of men and whites despite whites in my state are part of the minority pop wise.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

As far as gender issues themselves, I fight feminists, volunteer, and promote awareness of men's issues.

Where exactly? Reddit? What do you do to volunteer?

[–]trpposter points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Your original comment was removed because you agreed with me. Here it is:

Can't argue with this at all.

Women can't enforce any of their rights on their own. The state, government, with its money, power, brute force, and laws that can imprison, impoverish, and even kill you, are the real powers here.

And in every relationship, even every marriage, every woman holds the threatpoint like a Sword of Damocles over her man's head. And it is:

"You will do what I say, give me what I want, and do what I want. If you don't, i'll divorce you and take your money forever, leave you penniless, and it'll take you months or years to get laid again. I'll call the police and have them arrest you. I'll press criminal charges against you and have you imprisoned if I can. And if I can't get you imprisoned, i'll jam you up for weeks, months or years with the police and the courts, and make your life a living hell. Think I won't do it? TRY ME."

That's what every man instinctively knows now whenever he interacts with a woman.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes Means Yes is about making sure clear and unambiguous consent is present.

It's actually better for preventing those ambiguous rape cases where consent or lack of consent isn't voiced, because under Yes Means Yes it makes clear consent the standard.

[–]questioningwomandetached from society1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are scared of anyone who dares question them. Like a woman who questions them when they talk about how money, freedom, and goals make you so happy but then go tell women they aren't important and they won't make them happy.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

i dont think people are afraid of false accusations the ways Red Pillers and MRAs talk.

IMO men are more afraid of having partners that arent dependent on them. "if she's independent, she doesnt really need me and might be thinking about other men!"

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

i dont think people are afraid of false accusations the ways Red Pillers and MRAs talk.

Because they are oblivious. Most of them probably have no idea it happens at all.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

probably 'cause it doesnt happen enough to worry people

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Probably because the media doesn't think it warrants as much attention as women's tantrums.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there it is. i feel like people only bring up false accusations to demonize women.

until people develop the capacity to discuss false accusations without diminishing real rape no one will want to discuss false accusations.

[–]-almost-blue- points points [recovered] | Copy Link

says the guy throwing a paranoid tantrum.

[–]PurpleBanner points points [recovered] | Copy Link

No, Elmo, false rape accusations are pretty easy to pull off.

False rape accusations are just one of the many tools a woman has to negotiate with to get whatever she wants in life.

A woman's breasts, her body, her legs, her vagina, etc. are just tools she can use to negotiate for whatever she wants.

The talk about independence and equal rights? Again, negotiation tools.

The talk about being oppressed? That's just another tool because there is a corresponding relationship between oppression and social status.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dates with you must need a hostage negotiation team.

[–]PurpleBanner0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

http://www.bluerepublican.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Campus-Sexual-Consent-Form.pdf

Feminists play hardball, and so do I in order to survive this feminist era of society.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're not playing hard ball, you're living in paranoia and fear.

Tin foil hat.

[–]PurpleBanner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you're living in paranoia and fear.

How so?

[–]CaptainNeeMoNoy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

False rape accusations, while not common, are less rare than most people realize. We actually had a very well-researched post on it a while ago if you wanna take a look.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/42x6y2/the_making_a_difference_project_and_the/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A scarcity mindset, from scarcity minded men.

[–]LyaninaBlue Pill0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

And IMO men are not actually afraid of their partners.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

but some men hate the idea of having a partner that calls herself "strong and independent" which is the topic at hand. maybe they're not afraid of the woman exactly, but they are afraid of having a partner that's independent and not dependent on them.

[–]raginghamsterChad's Attack Hamster2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think 'afraid' is the wrong word.

I think some men may have a preference to avoid dating women that are 'strong and independent'

Men that are aware of how biased the police and court system are against them, are afraid of having their entire life go down the toilet in a matter of days. This fear, taken in healthy doses, keeps us alert and aware of risk management.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the amount of anger many men have towards women for calling themselves "strong and independent" makes me assume they are motivated by fear

i guess at this point in the conversation we've gone into speculative territory

[–]SkrattGoddess1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're confusing strong and independent with a vindictive psychopath xD

[–]raginghamsterChad's Attack Hamster0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]SkrattGoddess1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only a psychopath would put someone in jail because they're having a bad day.

[–]raginghamsterChad's Attack Hamster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not singling out 'independent' women. I've even dated a few.

anyone has the potential to act shitty, given enough motivation (revenge).

It's just that, a man can't self-inflict an injury, call the cops, and expect his false story of domestic violence to be taken seriously. A woman can.

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[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You said it right; women have unnatural power over male liberty with impunity, no responsibility, no recourse, and they don't understand why that might make things difficult for them.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The mods removed /u/LewisCross 's original comment because he agreed with me. Here it is:

Can't argue with this at all.

Women can't enforce any of their rights on their own. The state, government, with its money, power, brute force, and laws that can imprison, impoverish, and even kill you, are the real powers here.

And in every relationship, even every marriage, every woman holds the threatpoint like a Sword of Damocles over her man's head. And it is:

"You will do what I say, give me what I want, and do what I want. If you don't, i'll divorce you and take your money forever, leave you penniless, and it'll take you months or years to get laid again. I'll call the police and have them arrest you. I'll press criminal charges against you and have you imprisoned if I can. And if I can't get you imprisoned, i'll jam you up for weeks, months or years with the police and the courts, and make your life a living hell. Think I won't do it? TRY ME."

That's what every man instinctively knows now whenever he interacts with a woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

oh. why is this month old comment up again?

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought you made a great comment and it would be a shame if it were lost forever.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of women are also scared of the state. Anarcha-feminism is an extant group.

[–]PurpleBanner3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is the state.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Explain why anarcha feminism is a thing

[–]PurpleBanner4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

That's just another term for third wave feminism.

Feminism says white heterosexual males run the world through patriarchy and while patriarchy oppresses everyone, the American white woman with her McDonald's pumpkin spice latte is the most oppressed person. Ever.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Anarcha-feminism, also called anarchist feminism and anarcho-feminism, combines anarchism with feminism.

Anarcha-feminists believe that the struggle against patriarchy is an essential part of class conflict and the anarchist struggle against the state.

[–]PurpleBanner3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for backing me up.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It says that sexism is part of state coercion. Everyone living in "first world" countries is privileged to benefit from state coercion that keeps aggressive characters like ISIS away.

[–]PurpleBanner1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Of course, of course, how can there be sexism with out white males in power?

Edit.

You said,

Everyone living in "first world" countries is privileged to benefit from state coercion that keeps aggressive characters like ISIS away.

No, ISIS isn't really a problem because they do not have the financial or political power to control the economies of entire nation states, e.g. Goldman Sachs, the Koch Brothers. What is the damage that ISIS can do compared to the damage wrought by wealthy donors who can lobby politicians to change laws that favor the interests of multinational corporations?

ISIS. OOAOOOAooaoaooaoa. Scary.

You realize that the citizens of Flint, Michigan have gone with out clean water for over three years? Go tell them that ISIS is a threat to world peace.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of non white guys are sexist. Its not an ethnicity.

[–]PurpleBanner1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of non white guys are sexist. Its not an ethnicity.

There are plenty of non-white males who are sexist, but according to feminism, it is white males are predominately responsible for the pervasive anti-woman attitude whose miasma has been institutionalized.

Notice how I said anti-woman. Because you are a feminist, you associate woman as the paragon of moral virtue in today's social strata. To be against women is to be against freedom, right?

[–]trpobservereats ass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They arent very visible to feminists. Defending black people against the "evil white oppressor" no matter what is a rather frequent occurrence for feminist activists. When non whites do something bad its because of white racism, of course.

[–]questioningwoman points points [recovered] | Copy Link

People right now who say feminism isn't needed are the same types of people who think women should automatically love lack of money and freedom and enjoy submitting to authority. They are the same types of people who want to regress us.

[–]PurpleBanner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

who say feminism isn't needed

What is needed is a modified form of feminism that doesn't encourage women blame someone else for the problems they have in life.

But that kind of feminist that I have abstractly described is never likely to exist because for women to accept responsibility for their own actions would mean having to invent a new set of negotiation tactics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the same reason some couples dress up as furries.

[–]EchoZeroEleven points points [recovered] | Copy Link

You're belief in no truth is your truth.

I know that sounded like bullshit, but eventually we have to answer this question: what is more powerful? The event, or the interpretation of said event? Because, future events are going to be influenced by people, who are acting out of their beliefs.

Either reality is truth, or perspective is truth.

This is probably what sends some men into the anger phase - they're beliefs were smashed against the rocks of reality, and now they must find a new truth.

Herman Hesses says it best:

"The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world."

[–]PurpleBanner points points [recovered] | Copy Link

I know that sounded like bullshit, but eventually we have to answer this question: what is more powerful? The event, or the interpretation of said event? Because, future events are going to be influenced by people, who are acting out of their beliefs.

So, the OP is correct.

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Forget what I said, I made a mistake.

Edit:

I meant what I wrote above as a reply to someone else, not a reply to the OP.

[–]Returnofthemack3Purple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea that men are intimidated by independent and strong women is fucking ridiculous. Look, i'm not denying there is a subset of retards out there that truly fear an independent woman, but for the most part, those 'strong and independent' women are not even entertaining the thought of dating lower status guys. Does it ever happen? Sure, my parents can attest to that. It's still fucking rare for an 'ambitious' woman to date down though.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently men are afraid of healthy women too...

When feminists say men are afraid of something really they're just trying to use shame (toxic masculinity?) to coerce men to act to the benefit of those feminsts.

[–]andrewisgoodYou are a fountain of misinformation0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

If you live in America and you're a white dude, if you're scared of the State, you're scared of your own shadow.

[–]trpposterRed like the rising sun[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

What are you talking about? Is it the fabled white male privilege again?

[–]andrewisgoodYou are a fountain of misinformation0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Dude, there's an actual picture of a bunch of white men telling women what to do with themselves.

I mentioned white due to if you're a black man in the States, being scared of getting shot by a cop would be a fear. Hell, I'm white and I don't feel comfortable going to the States with all those gun nuts.

Fabled white privilege is also something that someone who lacks self awareness would say.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

being scared of getting shot by a cop would be a fear.

Combined with your flair, I can't stop laughing.

[–]andrewisgoodYou are a fountain of misinformation0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

So the increased likelihood of being shot as a black man by a cop, those stats are non-existent, correct?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

misguided at best...

We could go through all the numbers, and itemize the actual threats to black men in america, but we know this dance already, it ends with me being called a racist, and then touting out a few family photos of my black side of the family, doesn't get us anywhere.

It's a fear, the same as terrorism is a fear. McDonalds food has killed more people than the both of them, combined. People suck at assessing risk, and love to have an 'other' to blame life on.

[–]andrewisgoodYou are a fountain of misinformation0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

We could go through the numbers, but you don't think we should. You are a fountain of misinformation.

See, I'm surprised you didn't actually post the numbers talking about how more actual white people were killed by cops then black people, which would be ignoring the population disparity, but I could still see it as an argument.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/?tid=a_inl

Here's the deal. It's not just shooting, granted, I'm scared of being shot in general because it's the States and you people have a severe gun fetish. I've never seen a handgun in my life and I don't plan on seeing one.

It's also the general fear some black people would have of being shot, even though they might not be. Cops need to be looked at as bears, where you have to be super calm around them and hopefully you won't get mauled. And yeah, you can bring up black side of the family. I wasn't going to say you were racist. I am going to say you are a fountain of misinformation though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I didn't post them, because you know all the same numbers, you've had them showed to you, same as I've seen all the ones you are talking about.

Know what I do know? Take guys like Ed Latimore. They have a perfect roadmap of avoiding all this, it's pretty simple. Avoid shitty provoking behaviour, make something of yourself and avoid shitty parts of town that see a lot of crime, avoid thuggish black guys, and you avoid 99% of it. The rest is a mindset shift, and no one can help with that.

Last DOJ audit from Eric holder showed a negative correlation, once you account for all the controllable factors, like above. Democratic, black AG, official study.

But if you're primed to think one way, you'll only see it one way. but why bother. you have it drilled in your head that I'm misinformed, and you're the only one who 'gets it'

so you're surprised, because I don't give a shit to play your victim game.

[–]andrewisgoodYou are a fountain of misinformation0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess I go back to Angry Black Rant, who is an atheist podcaster, who was pulled over by police twice while riding his bicycle. Basically, his way to avoid it, despite how annoying it is to be pulled over for no reason because he's black, is again, talk to them like they're bears. Woah bear.

Also, let's say all these black guys are using shitty provoking behaviour. Is that an automatic death sentence? Do they deserve to die because of that. What happens if you are a good person but live in a shitty part of town?

For me personally, maybe it's paranoia on my part. I might end up leaving the airport to go into the States, but I also want to travel to different countries that are also seen as pretty dangerous, Mexico for instance. So maybe I'm just really cautious.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

We don't disagree on that. proportional force is a basic tennant of the force continum.

Of course, we know life ain't so black and white. I want to be clear. A school teacher doing what he's supposed to do, and gets shot in front of his kid and GF? fucking rights set an example.

A thug who fights a cop and get shot? soon as you start putting those two together, you take anyone with a healthy respect for authority, and you immediately alienate them from a real grievance.

I argue BLM is the most dangerous organization for a black man right now. That moron from Dallas set back real remediation impossible for years.

But we won't get there with the narratives happening right now.

Trust me, I've been to almost 2 dozen countries. I am generic brown looking, so I always pass for a local. You better believe I'm on best behaviour, while my white buddies were acting damn fools. They had a "fine" at worst. I didn't take the chance.

It's not some kind of whine either, it's just the way to navigate life

[–]lbspredh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually it's because people describing themselves as intelligent Or independent turn out to be an asshole

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm scared of neither.

[–]brewmastermonk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong, men are afraid of being labelled unfit for fatherhood because it completely undermines our very existence as bodies and minds shaped by evolutionary pressures to breed. Because of female pre-selection just one negative review by a woman can completely ruin your chance of procreation. This could throw us into a very emotionally/time expensive existential crisis that could even further ruin our chances of becoming fathers.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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