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BP's hyperfocus and fixation on the spergs, FAs, and neckbeards of RP shows that they (BP) are not serious about having a debate about the merits of RP strategies but rather just want to mock and abuse low-SMV men. (self.PurplePillDebate)

submitted by AnUndecidedPill

TL;DR: BP and other anti-RP people basically use their platforms not to engage with RP about the merits of sexual strategy, but just to shit on low-SMV men because it feels good to them.

Notice how whenever certain shit posts like this turn up the narrative is always something about butthurt, bitter, spergy neckbeards who feel entitled to models and hate women because they don't get models. It's never about RP principals themselves, or the fact that many average and 'successful' men still find themselves in the world of RP for whatever reasons; guys who have the confidence to approach women but have weak style and game, guys who can get dates but fail to close the deal, guys in LTRs but who are uncertain and have weak frame, or they feel that their LTRs are lackluster and unfulfilling, maybe they're tired of being boyfriends all the time and just want to get better at scoring ONS and casual hookups, etc,..point is tons of 'normal' men can and do appreciate RP.

Instead, the focus from BP is always about the low-SMV and incel men who bitch and moan. Yes, RP is full of them, no one denies that, but to characterize all of RP in that light is arguing in bad faith because it shows that the person is ignoring the valid points within RP and why even average/non-spergy men would apply certain strategies and is only emphasizing on the loud omega/FA types who can't be bothered to get off the couch and expect an HB8 to fall into their lap in order to paint a biased picture. That's a weak strawman that bloopers keep throwing around because for some reason they don't to seem to like to arguing about the RP strategies themselves and instead just want to shit all over low-SMV men. They're essentially bullies who sadistically enjoy kicking guys on the ground and enforcing their "place" in the hierarchy. It's rather ironic because it actually exposes and confirms RP's assertion that is a sexual hierarchy despite the frequent denial from BP, to me at least they're basically saying:

"Yeah shitlord, I'm great and you're not. I have it easy and you don't, and you should just go fuck yourself because no one owes you shit! the fact that you're even complaining means you're entitled and don't respect women, lol go kill yourself faggot!"

People like that are the reason why there are so many guys who find themselves reading RP in the first place, and the fact that the mods keep allowing this shit to fly is telling.


[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 21 points22 points  (67 children) | Copy Link

but to characterize all of RP in that light is arguing in bad faith because it shows that the person is ignoring the valid points within RP and why even average/non-spergy men would apply certain strategies and is only emphasizing on the loud omega/FA types who can't be bothered to get off the couch and expect an HB8 to fall into their lap in order to paint a biased picture.

Here's what you're missing - many BPs accept that there are some bits of TRP advice that are useful (lift, dress better, take care of yourself).

What many TRPers don't get is that BP doesn't accept TRP "philosophy" as fact. TRPers treat the side bar (and TRP philosophy in general) as near religious truth, while BPers tend to disagree with most everything after "lift, dress well, take care of yourself."

To them, believing is TRP is as ridiculous as accepting the sky being lime green.

BPers believe there's nothing to debate - it's categorically wrong, so the people who believe it are ridiculous. The same way people who believe the sky is lime green are ridiculous.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism 22 points23 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

Actually they agree with much more, especially if you put it into nice words. The more time I spend here the more I come to the conclusion that BP are totally ok with RP but not with the deliberately offensive language, anger phasers/incels or in general idiots who moan instead of putting in effort and posturing of stupid newbies.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

That's because there's nothing inherently world changing about TRP philosophy. It's generally in line with what gender essentialists have been since the beginning of the agricultural revolution. I can find "TRP-like" advice in Cosmo or Men's Health. I can find it in the Bible. I can hear it from my parents and grandparents. It's not as revolutionary as red pillers make it seem. The thing that sets it apart from "normie" dating philosophy is the obviously distasteful shit like the overtly sexist/misogynistic tone (anger phase?), the shit that says women can't love or that they're the oldest teenagers in the house, and the kind of people it tends to attract.

I liken it to white rights or white nationalism. Generally, most white people feel a sense of superiority about being white whether they acknowledge it or not. They like to keep their families white, they don't like their kids dating other races, they generally live in white communities and don't mingle with other races unless they live in big cities. However, even though this is standard practice, most white people would reject white pride or white nationalism for their overtly racist connotation and their history of harassment.

Same thing with Westboro Baptist. Most people are generally homophobic to some extent. However, Westboro's overt homophobia, their disrespect of dead military personnel, and their harassment made them completely unpopular even though before then most people would have agreed with them behind closed doors.

What people hate are bullies, and TRP and their sidebar of men's rights gurus and PUAS come across as bullies. Their language, tone, and presentation have made them synonymous with "misogynistic neckbeard trolls".

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That's because there's nothing inherently world changing about TRP philosophy. It's generally in line with what gender essentialists have been since the beginning of the agricultural revolution. I can find "TRP-like" advice in Cosmo or Men's Health. I can find it in the Bible. I can hear it from my parents and grandparents. It's not as revolutionary as red pillers make it seem.

What's "revolutionary" about TRP advice is that traditional masculinity has been undergoing something of a revival lately - not necessarily because of TRP or the manosphere, but because even Blues are figuring out what pussies and sad excuses for men our society's been turning out.

For about the past 30 to 40 years, society, feminists, women, and most men, have embarked on a systematic attempt to hide and conceal from men what women actually find sexually attractive, to out and out lie about what women actually find sexually attractive, to demonize and denigrate male sexual nature, and to elevate women at the expense of men. Men are finally starting to wake up to all of this. We were sold a bill of goods, we were told to do exactly the wrong things to attract women and build good relationships, and we were misled and lied to.

It's getting straightened out now.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

For about the past 30 to 40 years, society, feminists, women, and most men, have embarked on a systematic attempt to hide and conceal from men what women actually find sexually attractive.

What women find attractive can change via a variety of different factors. Culture, race, age, economic status/hierarchy, and nurture can all influence our ability to judge what is and isn't attractive.

Regardless, please explain the goal of this generational systemic attempt to conceal what women "actually" find attractive? Why would anyone want to do that? Who gains anything from this system?

demonize and denigrate male sexual nature

I don't know what you would categorize male sexual nature, but the only thing feminists have ever demonized is entitlement to female bodies.

to elevate women at the expense of men.

Equal rights isn't a zero sum game. Just because I now have the ability to vote, own property, and be considered a full person that doesn't mean that men are worse off. There are parts of our society that have outdated expectations for men, but how is a "masculine renaissance" going to fix them? Genuinely curious.

we were told to do exactly the wrong things to attract women and build good relationships.

What were you told?

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, what women find sexually attractive remains pretty static, actually. The kinds of men women actually like fucking is quite different from the kinds of men women are willing to fuck when they have no other options.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/per.2087/abstract?wol1URL=/doi/10.1002/per.2087/abstract&campaign=wolearlyview&regionCode=US-CA&identityKey=5b09c995-1ac6-4417-aca8-770094cbe81e

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a new article right? Can you create a post about this?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah its new as far as I know. Didn't figure you'd be the one wanting a post but I can do it I guess.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah.

Uh, I'm not sure your article supports a claim that women change what they're attracted to, depending on certain conditions.

From the abstract:

We evaluated five competing hypotheses about what predicts romantic interest. Through a half-block quasi-experimental design, a large sample of young adults (i.e. responders; n = 335) viewed videos of opposite-sex persons (i.e. targets) talking about themselves, and responders rated the targets' traits and their romantic interest in the target.We tested whether similarity, dissimilarity or overall trait levels on mate value, physical attractiveness, life history strategy and the Big Five personality factors predicted romantic interest at zero acquaintance and whether sex acted as a moderator. We tested the responders' individual perception of the targets' traits, in addition to the targets' own self-reported trait levels and a consensus rating of the targets made by the responders. We used polynomial regression with response surface analysis within multilevel modelling to test support for each of the hypotheses. Results suggest a large sex difference in trait perception; when women rated men, they agreed in their perception more often than when men rated women. However, as a predictor of romantic interest, there were no sex differences. Only the responders' perception of the targets' physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders' who rated the targets' physical attractiveness as higher than themselves reported more romantic interest.

TRanslation:

We were trying to predict who men and women will be attracted to based on our sample of about 330 men and women looking at videos of people talking about themselves, where the men watched women in videos and the women watched men. The men rated the women's traits and attractiveness and the women rated the men's traits and attractiveness. We tested RMV, physical attractiveness, what the video people wanted from life, and a bunch of personality traits to try to predict whether those things, and gender, affected whether people were attracted to the people in the videos. We controlled for a bunch of things to eliminate possible error and bias.

what we found out was that, based on the women looking at the videos, they gave similar ratings to all the same men. So the women agreed on which men were rated highly, in the middle, and at the bottom. But the men looking at the videos were all over the place on how they rated the women in the videos. There was a lot less agreement from the men on rating women high, in the middle, or low.

The women were attracted to the highly rated men. The men were attracted to the women they rated highly.

The only thing that mattered to both men and women was physical attractiveness. If the man found a particular woman or women attractive, he was interested; if the woman found a particular man or men attractive, she was interested. Men were more attracted to women they rated as more attractive than themselves; same with the women. END

Nothing in that abstract or what it says in lay terms supports a claim that women change what they're attracted to or change the kinds or types of men or traits they're attracted to, depending on conditions.

If anything, it supports what Red Pill says about women - they're attracted to men they perceive as physically attractive; and they're attracted to men they perceive as more attractive than they themselves are.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing in that abstract or what it says in lay terms supports a claim that women change what they're attracted to or change the kinds or types of men or traits they're attracted to, depending on conditions

Except for the obvious one of her sexual cycle one condition that I can think of is age.

Younger women prefer dark triad guys (actually low DT guys > normal guys > high DT guys) and as they get older masculinity becomes more important to them and they lose their attraction to DT traits.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They like to keep their families white

You can say this for other races. This thinking isn't unique to just whites. Heck just look at any area that is mixed race and you find each race basically keeping to their own. Primary because we as humans like keep to that others like us. Ya its racist, but sadly true.

Their language, tone, and presentation have made them synonymous with "misogynistic neckbeard trolls".

And the tone of TBP and more so feminists have made them synonymous with "man haters".

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

What makes TRP different is that it is a coherent and continguous philosophy of gender dynamics.

Yes parts can be found in many places.

What else brings it all together? Has anything remotely as useful as AWALT?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure the 19th century philosophers who thought up phrenology were also amazed at the usefulness of measuring a human skull and finding all you needed to know about black people and how they were lesser.

Look, I understand we love to categorize things and organize ideas into neat little boxes. AWALT is still not a real thing.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps to you that doesn't understand AWALT.

For someone that understands it and employs it, it's incredible.

Genders have no common nature in your view. That's ridiculous.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Genders have no common nature in your view.

That's because you don't understand this topic.

Why would we talk about masculine and feminine genders in the first place if there is no difference between masculinity and femininity?

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Genders have no common nature in your view.

That's because you don't understand this topic.

Why would we talk about masculine and feminine genders in the first place if there is no difference between masculinity and femininity?

Your question is confusing.

I think you deny masculine nature and feminine nature existing.

You do not deny masculinity and femininity.

There's a big difference between masculine and feminine nature and masculinity and femininity.

Feminine Nature leads to AWALT and Masculine Nature leads to AMALT.

Masculinity and femininity are sets of behavior traits.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think you deny masculine nature and feminine nature existing

What's being denied is that someone that's born with a penis must have a masculine nature or that someone born with a vagina must be feminine.

Masculinity and femininity are sets of behavior traits.

Yes that's the "gender is a social construct" part of the argument.

Sex = your biological makeup

Gender = your social identity

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you deny masculine nature and feminine nature existing

What's being denied is that someone that's born with a penis must have a masculine nature or that someone born with a vagina must be feminine.

Yeah. I know. Lol.

Masculinity and femininity are sets of behavior traits.

Yes that's the "gender is a social construct" part of the argument.

Sex = your biological makeup

Gender = your social identity

Yup, which is total bullshit. Easily seen by how today women are pushed towards science and engineering, more women are in college than men, yet most women still avoid science and engineering in favor of people and children oriented fields.

Just as their nature would have them do.

Society is trying out the experiment. The results speak loudly.

[–]disposable_pants -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

AWALT is still not a real thing.

Your comparison of AWALT to phrenology shows that you think TRP is claiming All Women Are Literally Exactly The Same, right? Am I correct in saying that you believe TRP thinks every single last woman out there is definitely certainly absolutely going to do X, Y, and Z AWALT behaviors?

[–]aznphenix 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

to be fair, there are some RPers in here that literally claim AWALT as in ALL women will engage in those kinds of behaviors (just in varying degrees/severity).

[–]disposable_pants 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

just in varying degrees/severity

That's a massive caveat, though. It's like saying that all people will be dishonest, just to varying degrees. Doesn't sound even remotely as absolutist as "All People Are Liars".

[–]aznphenix 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But still holds that they think there is some common set of behaviors that all women exhibit (that are explicitly only exhibited by women?).

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But still holds that they think there is some common set of behaviors that all women exhibit

Yes -- but how is that bad? Is saying that "all people are dishonest (at different times, and to different degrees, and some people will hardly ever be dishonest)" bad?

that are explicitly only exhibited by women

I disagree with the use of "explicitly" -- saying that women do X is not also saying that men do not do X. Compare it to /r/baseball: If they say that baseball players take PEDs, are they implying that basketball and football players don't use PEDs? Of course not; they're just on a sub that focuses on one group in particular and thus discuss that one group in particular, even if that group's attributes are shared by other groups.

You'll also see plenty of red pill criticism directed towards lazy men who want to get laid but don't want to put in the effort to do so. That group of men is criticized in about the same ways women are criticized.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The more time I spend here the more I come to the conclusion that BP are totally ok with RP but not with the deliberately offensive language, anger phasers/incels or in general idiots who moan instead of putting in effort and posturing of stupid newbies.

I talk about it pretty regularly offline and most people are pretty agreeable or offer their own examples to support the narrative. I've said for a while that the red pill has a PR problem and could very easily reword the message to be more palatable to the masses. I suppose if I was trying to make money on it I would actually care to make that change.

On the other hand, I have an edge that others don't and if society consumed the red pill on a whole I'm sure we'd be looking at a whole different gender war.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually they agree with much more, especially if you put it into nice words.

Then it isn't RP anymore. Then it's just common knowledge. If you remove the hyperbole, the anger and the misogyny all you did is removing all that made it RP in the first place and you are back at regular run of the mill BP advice

Don't you see the difference between "women want to get raped by alpha men" and "she could be cool with rough sex so at least discuss it" or "women are hypergamous sluts that only want the most muscular of men" and "hey guys if you lift you will have better chances at getting laid"

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

What you see as a verification of TRP, BPers would see as coincidental truth (not confirmation of TRP).

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't like the exchange, they may be fine with the behavior, but not the idea of someone being taught to behave differently

[–]Offhisgame 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of it is true. Some is massive exaggerations. Some is just wrong or wrong more than its right.

Those are some pretty massive issues.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

BP doesn't accept TRP "philosophy" as fact.

This is something Blues still get hung up on.

TRP is not a philosophy, or a worldview, or a religion. It's a collection of observations and anecdotes from a hundred thousand or so men talking to each other on line and in some cases in real life. It's evolved into a toolbox. It has particular use now, because of sexual deregulation and unconstrained female sexuality. Women are attracted to confident dominant good looking badass men with options, status, and resources (despite societal messages and feminism doing their damndest to tell men that women are sexually attracted to doughy, nice, supplicating, pedestalizing pussyboys who love cats and give great footrubs).

So, the tools evolved to (1) tell men the truth about attraction; and (2) help men be more attractive.

No one is required to use these tools. If you don't need to use them, don't like them, find they don't work, or can't use them, then don't use them. Lots of men really don't need them. So, they don't use them. But the tools are here for men who do need them.

If that set of tools ever ceases to be useful, the tools will be set aside or discarded, and another set of tools crafted and exchanged.

Like someone's said, if women start getting sexually attracted to and fucking skinny STEM nerds, then TRP will start creating helps and tips and tricks on how to be a skinny STEM nerd.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 7 points8 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

TRP is not a philosophy, or a worldview, or a religion.

That's why "philosophy" was in quotes.

No one is required to use these tools. If you don't need to use them, don't like them, find they don't work, or can't use them, then don't use them. Lots of men really don't need them. So, they don't use them. But the tools are here for men who do need them.

I've said before that I have no doubt TRP works for some guys.

That said, TRP needs to work on accepting that others don't buy into it. So citing TRP posts or the sidebar isn't as persuasive as many TRPers believe in a debate.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

BP needs to work on accepting that the people who don't buy into BP are mostly former BPers, and used to buy into it but don't now. So citing BPers' experiences or "studies" or "self reported surveys" isn't as persuasive as BPers believe in a debate.

I've been where you are. I used to be Bluer than you. I tried it all. I did everything you folks told me to do. I tried it your way. IT didnt' work.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 8 points9 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

This thread is about BP's attitudes towards TRP, not TRP's attitudes towards BP.

Try to stay on track.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is a poor response. Instead of dealing with their counter point you appealed to the topic. I would very much love to know from bluepillers what they think about the fact that RPers used to be bluepill in their thinking too!

These guys were not born like this. They didn't go running to TRP because things were going well and they intrinsically hate women. They aren't there because they want to be that way but they would rather not be alone or frustrated. What does TBP offer a man out of answers? Mockery? Satire? These things cannot help someone. It is great when you never have to resort to RP tactics but what do you expect is going to happen to those socially awkward, unattractive men who desire partners and sex when they grow up? If TBP and society cannot deal with their sexuality, they have to go somewhere else. What exactly does the BP or BP way of thinking offer a young man struggling to get a date or to get laid?

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a fitting response for this poster, who says that to everyone else who veers off topic.

Turns out, he doesn't like being on the receiving end of his own replies.

As for the rest of your reply, I suggest you continue reading the comment chain. It's all answered.

[–]calling_cq_to_anyonewubba lubba dub dub 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why can't you just answer his question?

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Good God, I can't believe I have to spell this out ... Much like TRP doesn't concern itself with the cares of women pursuing men, TBP doesn't concern itself with trying to better sexual rejects.

What does TBP offer a man out of answers?

TBP isn't there to offer men answers. It's like looking to Love & Hip Hop for deep lessons on life.

but what do you expect is going to happen to those socially awkward, unattractive men who desire partners and sex when they grow up?

As I'm not one, and am not married to one, that's none of my concern.

What exactly does the BP or BP way of thinking offer a young man struggling to get a date or to get laid?

TBP isn't there to help these people.

Stop thinking that you're owed any sort of respect of answers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

TBP isn't there to help these people.

Not "TBP". Blue Pill, BP. Which is much, much larger than r/thebluepill.

What does BP, "Just be nice, just be yourself, don't change, you don't need to change, all you have to do is just go out there and some girl will love you just for who you are" -- what does that offer young men?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I'm not required to stay on topic.

The point was to turn the argument back around to illustrate its absurdity, pointlessness, and weakness.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

So start a thread if you want to talk about that.

Citing TRP as fact is never going to make a believer out of a BPer. Because BPers don't believe the premise of TRP is correct.

I'm not sure what's absurd or pointless about that, considering it was on topic and an accurate encapsulation of many BPer's thoughts. Which is what the OP asked about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Your comment was absurd because it makes no sense. That's what absurd means.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Ok, so walk me through your thought process - how is my comment absurd, exactly? What do you believe is off base?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

TRP needs to work on accepting that others don't buy into it. So citing TRP posts or the sidebar isn't as persuasive as many TRPers believe in a debate.

No, TRP doesn't have to work on accepting that. the fact that BPers don't accept TRP posts or the side bar, or aren't persuaded by them, doesn't mean TRP is wrong or that individual TRPers are wrong.

Just as Blues aren't going to accept anything TRP says or does, or accept the arguments TRPers advance.

I, for one, have the advantage of having heard all the Blues' arguments before, so I'm not willing to accept anything Blues have to say about very much, really.

That's why it makes no sense. No one has to "work on accepting" anything the other says or does. And no one ever will.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your comment was absurd because it makes no sense. That's what absurd means.

Bwahahaha

Dying from laughter here.

Smurf wants to see the light so badly why won't any of us help

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why won't any of us help

Logic and persuasive argument would help.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is a philosophy, if contains beliefs and principles. It's not a religion or ideology.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes you agree with everything that makes a better beta. You just disagree with everything that makes a man his own point of origin to do what is best for him and him alone.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

6/10

Troll harder, my friend.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm 🤔 how to troll harder. I took the day off and have been dancing with A and downing some fine apricot ale so I'll have to take a rain check. But hey come dance with us! I've got a killer stereo in my living room!

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do a killer sprinkler, and an even finer running man. Does that qualify to come dance with you guys?

BTW, are you ever coming back to IRC?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure I'll come back in again. I just got used to spending my time doing other things. Happy New year!

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (85 children) | Copy Link

knowing someone's frame of reference is important to understanding their belief systems. A devout Christian is more likely to have survived a near-fatal accident, or to have recovered from an addiction, than a random person in the street. To that person, surviving their ordeal is the only proof of god that they need. He is real, and they wouldn't be here without him. No scientific evidence is going to change his mind.

When we look at guys on TRP, most are coming from one of two places: heartbreak or an inability to get laid. Are there some to whom neither of these scenarios apply? sure, but not in appreciable numbers. And guys on TRP are emotional, if they weren't there would be no talk of an "anger phase." when engaging with someone like that, it is simply impossible to separate their emotions from their objective beliefs because, in a way, they are one in the same.

So we have a group of guys-- spergs, sheltered, overthinkers, introverts, rejected-- claiming to be discussing " objective truths." To them, like the Christian ex-addict, their experiences are the only proof they need. their similar backgrounds further inform and reiterate their views. "it works, and feminists are threatened." an echo chamber forms.

The guy recovering from a breakup looks at his ex and her new boyfriend as an example of "female strategy" in action. He can dismiss anyone's account of women who don't operate like that ("stop trying to be a special anowflake, there are no unicorns") because she is the only proof he needs. Every woman he meets from here on out, he will view subconsciously through that lens. He can connect any action to something his ex did and therefor to AWALT. time to write a field report!

The lonely, unpopular guy bases his perspective on his limited interactions with couples around him, and on his attempts at dating-- mostly online. His crush started going out with another guy? He needn't worry... that guy is "Chad" and he is powerless against his charms. Nobody on TRP has ever or will ever meet this guy so they accept that sure, he's much too attractive for any mere mortal to compete with. A girl matched him on tinder and then didn't respond to his messages? she's probably blowing Chad right now. This is someone who doesn't get much validation in real life, but by describing his otherwise mundane life in TRP jargon he at least gets attention. And if he adopts a cocky online persona and writes his theories out long-form in stylized posts on TRP he even gets that validation he craves. time to write his next essay: "she will never love you, even when it's your turn."

[–]DarkLord0chinChin 20 points21 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I'll be brutally honest with you

So we have a group of guys-- spergs, sheltered, overthinkers, introverts, rejected

I am sort of a sperg in that my interests are very much not things like football and drinking. I also didn't have a lot of friends growing up and am a lvl 99 nerd. So I guess you got this right?

At the same time, I don't understand why this should be a problem. Why is it that I should be doing things I find boring / retarded to be considered "normal"? And where are the spergy nerdy girls that presumably exist (there is someone out there for everyone)?

Now it's not like I'm super-antisocial or something. I can be damn well social if I want to, and I think there are plenty of completely normal, well-adjusted guys like me. I just don't enjoy the social chit-chat and other things normies do as much.

So yeah, I wasn't the most popular guy, for sure. But are you going to fault me for that?

The lonely, unpopular guy bases his perspective on his limited interactions with couples around him, and on his attempts at dating-- mostly online. His crush started going out with another guy? He needn't worry... that guy is "Chad" and he is powerless against his charms.

AHAHHAHAHA

This is exactly the sort of thing that he OP is talking about. No, I'm not retarded enough to creep about a "crush" and the "chad" she is with. I'm not retarded enough to even touch online dating with a ten foot pole. One look for me was enough to understand that most of the time these things are filled with either prostitutes or landwhales and hordes of thirsty as fuck low-quality men.

If you seriously think I'd be the one unironically writing "ay bby u wan sum fuk" on an online dating resource then you're not as sensible as I think you are.

My experience that was completely confirmed by the RP theory the moment I read it the first time mostly came from real life interaction. I admit that I wasn't particularly focused on chasing tail growing up, rather obsessing over computer programming, but even I did get some experience.

Nobody on TRP has ever or will ever meet this guy

I have known many guys who'd fit the "Chad" stereotype. From soft, charming niceguys who got by with their looks, to aggressive, insecure, criminal-minded failures of human beings aka bad boys, to more well-rounded sporty good-looking smart genetic lottery winners.

he's much too attractive for any mere mortal to compete with

You can be as snarky as you want, do you want me to link you to that bodybuilding page again?

A girl matched him on tinder and then didn't respond to his messages? she's probably blowing Chad right now.

That's exactly right, if she's on Tinder, what else would she be doing? Learning how to knit a scarf in a library?

This is someone who doesn't get much validation in real life

I get plenty enough of validation in real life, mostly thanks to the life choices I made. I have a career I enjoy, I have friends who respect me and it's all good. Frankly, I don't even need that much validation anyway, I never understood the people showing off their "successful" lives on Facebook and Instagram. It's actually fucking depressing if anything.

stylized posts on TRP he even gets that validation he craves.

You got me here, I write posts on PPD for validation. I must be an attention whore xD

she will never love you, even when it's your turn.

More like "she's not yours, it's just your turn". Feel the difference?

[–]lurflyDevil's Advocate 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At the same time, I don't understand why this should be a problem. Why is it that I should be doing things I find boring / retarded to be considered "normal"? And where are the spergy nerdy girls that presumably exist (there is someone out there for everyone)?

Just a little perspective from a nerdy girl (wouldn't say spergy, also wouldn't call you spergy), most of my friends are nerdy. Around these parts nerdy is normal. I doubt anyone is expecting you to be doing boring things to be considered "normal" I think you just have idolized the people who like those boring things. You've decided that they are ideal and feel that you cannot be ideal because your interests don't match up with theirs. You feel like you can either change yourself to be like them or be stuck as not "normal". I mean I could be way off, this is all just random bullshit commentary so don't be offended.

But then you go and say this:

I get plenty enough of validation in real life, mostly thanks to the life choices I made. I have a career I enjoy, I have friends who respect me and it's all good. Frankly, I don't even need that much validation anyway, I never understood the people showing off their "successful" lives on Facebook and Instagram. It's actually fucking depressing if anything.

So you've got this nice life set up with nice friends, yet you still feel as though your interests make you not "normal". How do you define normal then?

I am absolutely a nerd, for fun I do nerd shit and drink with nerds for the most part. But I see myself as pretty normal, no one has ever indicated that I'm not a pretty normal person, and I don't look at girls who enjoy more mainstream girly things as "normal". I think maybe stereotypical, but they aren't more normal than me IMO.

So what makes you feel that way?

Also, I've met other nerdy girls almost exclusively through online gaming platforms and conventions. If you're lookin for them, they're out there!

[–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want 9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

And where are the spergy nerdy girls that presumably exist (there is someone out there for everyone)?

Maybe you are looking in the wrong places because most of my female friends have been pretty nerdy from high school on. The ones that aren't are still pretty different in their own way and married to super nerdy guys because that is who we hang out with.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Nerdy chicks are simply invisible to most men.

When men say they want a nerdy chick they are thinking about outgoing models that look nerdy, but not about the shy, moderately dressed nerdy chick that is overweight and never uses makeup.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Would that be the same women who according to "geekfeminists" were so desperate to have the privilege me and my outcast friends had. Sitting in a basement an entire weekend playing computer games. That they out of jealousy talked about how worthless we were and how we would never have sex. Would that be the same women who fought the patriarchal male gender roles by fawning over the sports guys?

[–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Probably yes

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Not a very good argument then. Odd how those women found out that all they ever wanted to do was play videogames after it became mainstream.

And this is why I despise feminism in general. Men are always expected to sacrifice, no matter the personal cost. Women are never expected to sacrifice anything.

[–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh I misunderstood your point then.

I meant probably yes these are the girls who sit in a basement an entire weekend playing computer games. The girls who "fight" by just not being attracted to jocks.

Girls who play games for days because they want to, girls who read huge book series because they love it, who buy comics because they love a specific character, girls who don't love clubbing and prefer to spend their time elsewhere, girls who have higher priorities than what their hair and makeup look like for the most part.

Those girls do tend to get missed because they aren't the "geek girl" guys actually want

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I meant probably yes these are the girls who sit in a basement an entire weekend playing computer games. The girls who "fight" by just not being attracted to jocks.

Yes, we've all heard of those magical nerd girls.

Girls who play games for days because they want to, girls who read huge book series because they love it, who buy comics because they love a specific character, girls who don't love clubbing and prefer to spend their time elsewhere, girls who have higher priorities than what their hair and makeup look like for the most part.

See above.

Those girls do tend to get missed because they aren't the "geek girl" guys actually want

Do those geek girls still drool over Chris Hemsworth?

[–]DarkLord0chinChin 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do those geek girls still drool over Chris Hemsworth?

In my experience, yes. It's almost easier with Stacy the slut as long as she doesn't dismiss you immediately

[–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, we've all heard of those magical nerd girls.

They do exist...

Do those geek girls still drool over Chris Hemsworth?

Possibly? Some might I mean he plays a comic book character. That doesn't mean that is their only type and they wouldn't like or date other guys similar to them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

RIght. Kind of like when women say they want intelligent men or are attracted to nerdy men, this is what they're talking about.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously, right? But why do you expect them to say "that's not ugly" after every preference they state?

[–]DarkLord0chinChin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol not even close

Ninja edit: More like this

[–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dang, the never uses makeup part explains it all. Most of my friends then and now barely wore any or none at all. Though truthfully, we never thought it was that necessary. I tried the goth thing for a while it was too much work lol

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

all of that is great, but I'm not talking about you. you don't online date? thats perfectly fine, but tons and tons of guys do and the quirks of that platform are a major source of frustration. you don't need or seek validation online... that's perfectly fine too, but lots of people do. I'm also not saying being an introverted lvl 99 nerd is a bad thing. it's not, it just is... but it is one of the most common cluster of traits that make meeting and attracting women difficult, and lots of guys (you included) who find their way to TRP fit that description. common backgrounds inform ideas.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm also not saying being an introverted lvl 99 nerd is a bad thing.

Yet you say it makes it difficult to attract women, making it a bad thing.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

introverts don't go out and meet as many people, so they don't attract as many people. I'm that way too. it's not a bad thing, it just is what it is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But not able to meet others and that attract as many people makes being an introvert a bad thing tho even tho its just the way it is.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And where are the spergy nerdy girls that presumably exist (there is someone out there for everyone)?

I was indoors reading books and playing video games. Go outside? Are you mad? There are people out there.

[–]aznphenix 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah seriously, I just get like a small group of friends and we stay indoors and play video games or I read books or play video games by myself.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

there is someone out there for everyone?

Things you say to crying hopeless young teenagers ≠ objective truths people believe in.

Now that you swallowed the pill you should be able to understand that they didn't say it because it's an absolute truth, but because it is a harmless lie that can help someone to stop being sad.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now that you swallowed the pill you should be able to understand that they didn't say it because it's an absolute truth, but because it is a harmless lie that can help someone to stop being sad.

I can't tell if you're being being serious or circlejerking, but yes, indeed, swallowing the Red Pill has opened my eyes to many things that were supposedly "obvious" to "normies"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How do lies help anyone? And how is "there is someone out there for everyone" "harmless"?

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because it's basically the same as "don't worry too much. You are going to pass this test"

It's just an empty platitude meant to cheer you up a little bit. You aren't going to stop studying simply because your mother said that you are going to pass, but you are going to start into the test with more confidence.

Or if you are predrinking with your friends and one says "it's going to be a great night". Are you mad at them if the night doesn't turn out great after all for lying at you or do you accept it as just a little mood enhancer.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you can't tell someone the truth about their SMV, you're better off saying nothing at all and letting your silence speak to it.

[–]hentaipolice 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess it depends on how you look at it. It seems to me that lying produces the angry TRP guys that TBP seems to hate since they feel like they wasted a bunch of time. On the other hand, if you tell them the truth, it depends on the guy. Some will give up, and some will try to become better.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is it that I should be doing things I find boring / retarded to be considered "normal"?

This made me laugh, thank you.

Though the answer in all seriousness is obvious isn't it? Gets your dick wet more often.

But I guess I'm lucky that I enjoy partying and music in between bashing commands into computers.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

obvious isn't it? Gets your dick wet more often.

If you follow rp it is

[–]disposable_pants 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

When we look at guys on TRP, most are coming from one of two places: heartbreak or an inability to get laid.

Agreed, but then you seamlessly straw man that into this:

So we have a group of guys-- spergs, sheltered, overthinkers, introverts, rejected

This is what OP is talking about. You're straw manning guys who've gone through a bad breakup or who don't get laid as often as they'd like as "spergs, sheltered, overthinkers, introverts, rejected". And you're doing it because it's easier to shit on low-value men than to address TRP ideas for what they are.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not shitting on them. TRP does have its fair share of spergs-- many of them self-identified. Many STEM kids grew up very sheltered and protected from normal kid rough and tumble by overbearing parents, so they didn't develop social skills at the same level as their peers. 'Overthinkers' is an easier way of typing systematizers that my phone doesn't auto correct. I don't consider introversion to be a bad thing and in fact I identify as one myself. meeting people just comes easier to extros. rejected was a simpler way of saying 'has been broken up with' and/or 'hasn't been given a chance' at the same time.

Why gloss over that kind of shit? is your skin so thin that I need to come up with flattering terms for everything? I thought you guys were all about "uncomfortable truths."

[–]disposable_pants 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

is your skin so thin

Is what dicks say when they're called out for being dicks. Whatever I think of your language doesn't change the fact that you're straw manning everyone on TRP as "spergs" -- exactly what OP is claiming.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Systematizing is not "overthinking". It's organizing information so it makes better sense to someone who didn't or doesn't "get it" intuitively.

[–]calling_cq_to_anyonewubba lubba dub dub 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, basically u/future_space_boobs is abelism-baiting.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is all very interesting, and contains kernels of truth. But it doesn't have anything to do with the OP, which is about how most BPers are all about shitting on low value men.

It also doesn't challenge the view.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

This is someone who doesn't get much validation in real life

Men IRL get next to no validation IRL. There's been a couple of threads in /r/AskMen even saying how little compliments if any they get IRL and how it affects them.

But I think you're overlooking a couple of things that have men turn to TRP/PUA. Which is one these men are highly unsuccessful with women and they see other men and that men they perceive to be better looking than them getting women and that more so hooking up with women. The other one is they straight up had bad interactions with women in that the woman rejected them harshly and/or that simply treated them badly and/or that was a gold digger. I know you feminists and that TBP love to think bad interactions with women are minor at best and basically never happen, but they happen much more than you guys like to or want to think. I am not saying it happens every single time, but its certainly not rare. I mean I myself had a few bad interactions with women, nothing extreme but had a few nevertheless. And every guy that I have talked to has said the same. Ya I know women have had bad interactions with men as well but the women's side of the dating coin isn't like that of the men's.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I can't speak for who's side is better or worse-- both have their own drawbacks that the other can't relate to, but it sounds like we agree. I used broad brush terminology, but the guys recovering from heartbreak may very well have been through brutal breakups and the guys who can't get laid may very well have been rejected harshly. I'm sure many of those guys had genuinely bad interactions with women. women can be huge assholes and I'd never deny that because I've known more than my share of cruel women. where I disagree is that this is a gender thing that applies to women as a rule.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

it sounds like we agree

Seems like it. I was more pointing out how while you seem kinda aware of the men's side here you weren't fully aware of it. Its something I would argue is far far more common with feminists and TBP than that of men. As we as a society hear about how women are cat called, sexually harassed, etc by men. We never hear from the men's side, but when we do it gets mock and more so downplayed as it being nothing what women face. I know you're not saying who has it worse , but this is a very common tactic among feminists and TBP when men speak out. And it only adds fuel to the fire. I know the men's side does play the same "who has it worse" card, but I wager that is more a reaction to feminists/TBP doing it more than anything.

where I disagree is that this is a gender thing that applies to women as a rule.

Do you agree with it when it applies to men?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that men's issues should get more press. It's hard for me to compare them to the press that female issues get because to be honest I try my damndest to avoid "viral reporting" or whatever. it makes me rage, and raging makes me unproductive.

One thing I will bring up that men will never be able to fully empathize with is the kind of instinctual fear that harassment and catcalling can bring on. What doesn't even register to guys can cause us a fight or flight reaction... I say this as someone who knows martial arts, it's a subconscious thing. I'm a small person, so when a guy says something that sounds even vaguely sexually threatening the alarm bells go off. objectively I know he's almost certainly toothless, but I still get that "oh shit need to escape" reaction.

We're off topic now, but I thought that was relevant. As I said, there are a lot of gendered experiences that the opposite sex will never relate to.

Do you agree with it when it applies to men?

No. As I've always said here, the vast majority of men in my life are cool dudes. Most of my social sphere is male, since I work in IT. I've met my share of dudes who were skeezeballs or pricks, but it wasnt their maleness that made them pricks they were just miserable people.

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One thing I will bring up that men will never be able to fully empathize with is the kind of instinctual fear that harassment and catcalling can bring on. What doesn't even register to guys can cause us a fight or flight reaction...

I was talking about this with a friend last night. There was a local news story where a woman was walking to work and a guy came up to her on the street and asked for her number. She said no and kept walking, and he followed her and continued catcalling her. She threatened to call the cops and he attacked her and started dragging her to a wooded area nearby. Luckily some employees at a nearby business heard it and got the guy away from her.

I saw the dude's mugshot. He wasn't big or threatening, just a normal looking dude. You just never fucking know. Guys complain about women finding street harassment threatening, and yeah, 99 out of 100 interactions won't end with the guy dragging you into the woods to rape you. But how are you supposed to tell the ones that will from the ones that won't?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! The fact is that on a purely physical basis most guys could drag most women off into the woods and rape them if they wanted to. That's not to say there are many men who would want to, but those are some high stakes.

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where I disagree is that this is a gender thing that applies to women as a rule.

Yes but women don't care about the issue. Only men do. So where do they go to for help when the women in their lives are unable to or unwilling to help?

It becomes a gendered issue very quickly when the only people who care about what you have been through are others of the same gender. However, men have been told to care about women's issues first. The second they care about their own feelings and issues, people don't like it. If doing things differently works for him, why should he change? Why should a RP guy give up a method that works even if it is not nice when no one gave him sexual attention when he was nice?

If average, beta, nice guys got women wet, this would not be a problem.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is very true. Women don't care about other women being assholes. Women don't care about men being mistreated by asshole women. Hell, even men's own mothers don't care about their own sons' problems in this arena.

men have been told to care about women's issues first. The second they care about their own feelings and issues, people don't like it.

I have discovered that no one likes it when men talk about their problems and disappointments in mating, dating, sex, and relationships. Women take grave offense to it.

[–]woefulwankPsychology of Romance 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

where I disagree is that this is a gender thing that applies to women as a rule.

Which do you tend to think are disproportionately more "cruel," women or men?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

in my experience it's about equal, it just manifests in different ways.

[–]woefulwankPsychology of Romance 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We're talking specifically about emotional cruelness, let's say

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

again, about the same. I've known some men who were absolutely wicked. On average, men are less socially deft but that doesn't change their intentions.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I doubt think either gender add a whole could be described as "disproportionately more cruel". There are assholes who are women and assholes who are men, but the majority of people of both genders are actually pretty alright.

I suppose depending on how you draw the lines to define "cruel" you could make the point that either gender is more, especially when you focus on traditional gender roles. If rejecting a person is cruel, but starting a war isn't, for (an intentionally hyperbolic) example, that makes women look worse.

[–]woefulwankPsychology of Romance 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

ok then, we're talking about the gender that you could suggest is more emotional cruel/venomous

of course saying generally, in a broader sense would be pointless

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ok then, we're talking about the gender that you could suggest is more emotional cruel/venomous

Women certainly have a stereotype for this, but in my experience most women aren't, and some men are. I don't believe either gender has a bias towards emotional cruelty, although the women who do it tend to be better at it because they're taught to be in touch with emotions growing up in our society, where men usually aren't (part of the whole "toxic masculinity" thing).

of course saying generally, in a broader sense would be pointless

It's a good thing I have an extra durable irony meter.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not "harsh rejection" as in "I'm not interested, and never will be, so fuck off" that these nerds are complaining about. It's that their sexuality is often seen as inherently creepy or predatory; if your SMV is low enough, the bottom 0.5 percent for sure, there's a good chance you're legit autistic or otherwise disabled, and so you get the "eunuch-rapist dichotomy" that a lot of disabled men deal with: the very existence of their sexual desire is seen as inherently creepy.

[–]aznphenix 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men IRL get next to no validation IRL. There's been a couple of threads in /r/AskMen even saying how little compliments if any they get IRL and how it affects them.

I think the first compliments I started getting from complete strangers were when I was at the end of my college years/after I graduated. Before that, it was only my parents, my parent's friends, my friend's parents and once my guidance counselor ( and like 90% of those compliments my brother got too, gender appropriately, because the parents and shit are just being nice ). If you're not getting compliments, it may just be because you look like shit... (At least that was why I wasn't).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No sincere compliments here. If I do get anything, its insincere, backhanded insult type stuff.

[–]aznphenix 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol maybe those were insincere backhanded insults - I'm pretty bad at telling tone or intent. (And have accidentally done that kind of shit myself)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

it was only my parents, my parent's friends, my friend's parents

Those don't count.

If you're not getting compliments, it may just be because you look like shit...

Or because guys by and large don't get them.

[–]aznphenix 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right but I was saying I largely didn't get them either because I looked like shit. The only way I haven't seen compliments go is strangers to guys (with the friends I know or even in the street, but maybe I'm not paying that much attention there) but my friends at least compliment guys and girls alike.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

I have mixed feelings about your post, on one hand I get what you're saying about belief systems and how a devout person can make themselves believe in something, on the other hand it seems like you're too focused on what you're seeing on thev TRP sub, RP thought extends beyond reddit and even the online manosphere altogether. I also get what you're saying about sheltered/introverted guys being shellshocked in a way when they come across RP. I get that, but what I'm addressing is RP critics being gung ho on shitting on the struggling low-SMV guys, it's like they don't want to see low-SMV guys to improve, they enjoy seeing low SMV guys squirm and struggle, they enjoy mocking them for trying to "act alpha" when reading RP/PUA material...low-SMV men just get mocked for existing ..and the fact that these guys even have sexual needs disgusts people.

Basically, it's social practice for low-SMV guys to be dehumanized.

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I think it's kind of a circlejerk of retaliation. a dorky guy gets rejected-- let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was a particularly brutal, nasty rejection-- so he goes online somewhere and lashes out: "fuck women, and fuck feminists girls have is so much easier."

women see this post and respond "you're just a neckbeard who expects to date a supermodel."

then guys online reply: "apparently having any standards at all is 'oppressive' to feminists and we shouldn't try to get laid at all! sorry we're not interested in blue haired landwhales"

and round and round it goes.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well in my experience it was more like

  • a crazy feminist posts crazy delusional things that "men and women are exactly the same" and that it's misogyny to say otherwise

  • a soon-to-be RPer sees how obviously false this is and says "lolwut"

  • a response is obviously "lol twerp go back to trp"

  • and the soob-to-be RPer finds that many of those things he has now read actually make sense

[–]disposable_pants 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly how a lot of relatively normal guys get into TRP. They get told over and over and over that it's the worst place on the internet, and sometimes they're even attacked as if they were red pill even though they aren't. Finally they decide to go and check it out for themselves. Then they read it -- and I mean actually read it, not just skim through post titles or TBP outrage porn -- and see that it's not half as bad as it was made out to be.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Is there anything about RP that you think is valid?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I think your appearance is very important in dating: you're not going to get anywhere on personality alone, you need to look your best. most of us will never be 10/10's, but dressing well and getting in shape goes a long way. Women generally are raised knowing this, but it appears lost on a lot of guys.

I like the idea of an "abundance mentality." don't let yourself get hung up on one person who has made it clear she's not interested in you, there are plenty more fish in the sea. save your love for someone who has proven themselves worth it.

Not being clingy or supplicating is another big one... no woman has ever felt moved to fuck her friend because he did her a favor. it doesn't work like that. That doesn't mean guys should stop being kind to people-- that's just part of being a good person and citizen-- but they shouldn't do favors for women with the expectation of sex or even a date in return.

It's also perfectly OK to date multiple people at once before you jump into a relationship. in fact, that's healthy. being too quick to date the first person who kisses you is a sign of a codependent personality. Learn to date casually and find out what you want in a partner and, more importantly, what you dont want in a partner before you commit. Shit, just playing the field with no plans to get in a serious relationship is fine too. there's so much pressure in society to find The One™, but you can have sexy fun with people who you know there ain't no way in hell they're The One™ too.

I like the idea that "you are the prize" because too many people-- men and women-- lose all self respect when it comes to dating.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's also perfectly OK to date multiple people at once before you jump into a relationship. in fact, that's healthy. being too quick to date the first person who kisses you is a sign of a codependent personality. Learn to date casually and find out what you want in a partner and, more importantly, what you dont want in a partner before you commit. Shit, just playing the field with no plans to get in a serious relationship is fine too. there's so much pressure in society to find The One™, but you can have sexy fun with people who you know there ain't no way in hell they're The One™ too.

Two things:

1.) Is this another way of saying that it's 'healthy' to engage in open hypergamy? you understanding that many would argue that this open SMP is part of the reason why there's a surplus of frustrated men. I'm not necessarily saying that the open SMP is all bad, just that it comes with producing a lot of losers by default of it's nature, and to say to guys "just get with the program" is basically saying "sorry you can't compete, but hopefully you understand that the open SMP is the best method".

2.) Another thing to consider, many guys are of low-SMV to the point where they can't really date 'casually' much less multiple people at once, they're the kind of guys who are faced with an ultimatum: commit straight away or kick rocks. They're the guys who have to offer an exclusive LTR from the get-go, there's no "let's just have some fun and see where it goes" for this guys.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

First off... what is your personal definition of 'hypergamy?' mine is marrying into a higher caste, which doesn't apply here, but everyone it would seem, has their own here. If you mean waiting for the best quality partner you can get then yes, everyone should do that.

And I think it's perfectly OK for guys to do the same thing... many guys allow themselves to get completely infatuated with one girl for years and miss out on plenty of other who could be compatible partners. As a generation (milennials,) we're terrible at the kind of casual socializing that leads to casual sex. we treat it like this complex calculus, a game to beat, when really it's just people having fun. the most sexually successful people know that. they have great social skills.

I'm also not directing people to have casual sex. there will always be people who just don't go for it-- me included. I'm just wired more for relationships. I'm just saying that those who do have to scratch that itch shouldn't feel compelled to commit to someone just because they fucked them. And as for undesirable guys, see my original post: very few of them are undesirable because they got hit with the ugly stick. mostly, they're just awkward. they get nervous around pretty girls and they clam up and get weird. so this applies to them especially! stop taking shit so seriously and you will be more successful. people are really good at detecting someone who's unusually nervous, and that'll ruin your chances.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

very few of them are undesirable because they got hit with the ugly stick.

As a very ugly person who's also ForeverAlone, I must be one of the "very few," then.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm also not directing people to have casual sex.

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It's also perfectly OK to date multiple people at once before you jump into a relationship. in fact, that's healthy.

Learn to date casually and find out what you want in a partner and, more importantly, what you dont want in a partner before you commit. Shit, just playing the field with no plans to get in a serious relationship is fine too. there's so much pressure in society to find The One™, but you can have sexy fun with people who you know there ain't no way in hell they're The One™ too.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a monogamous person. I've never had casual sex. but I've also watched a lot of my friends put themselves through hell trying to find a boyfriend or girlfriend to the detriment of their day to day enjoyment. dating doesn't always have to have a lifelong commitment endgame. Sometimes a FWB is just what you need.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/per.2087/abstract?wol1URL=/doi/10.1002/per.2087/abstract&campaign=wolearlyview&regionCode=US-CA&identityKey=5b09c995-1ac6-4417-aca8-770094cbe81e

The ugly thing is the reason.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, everyone does not have "their own" definition of "hypergamy". Whether or not you like or accept this, "Hypergamy" has evolved into a particular term of art in TRP and the manosphere. It DOES NOT mean "marrying into a higher caste" when discussed here. It applies ONLY to women, and means "am attracted only to those above me in SMV".

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha, her reply was nothing more than 'things that rp says that make me feel good.'

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

...why would they make me feel good?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

it appears lost on a lot of guys

Apparently you aren't aware of how men of late are being socially pressured to look like the men in the comic book movies, ie buff with a six pack to boot with a chiseled face. There is a reason after all body issues in men have increased dramatically in recent years, so much so we have no idea how many men now have body image issues.

It's also perfectly OK to date multiple people at once before you jump into a relationship. in fact, that's healthy.

Would say otherwise and that it's more possible sign of commitment issues.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

See I always thought it was obvious what kind of guys are attractive. There's a reason Chris Hemsworth has a career and it's not his acting chops.

But a lot of guys here claim that it never occurred to them that fit bodies are more attractive than flabby ones. because somethingsomething Disney.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But a lot of guys here claim that it never occurred to them that fit bodies are more attractive than flabby ones. because somethingsomething Disney.

Jesus H. Christ. How many fucking times does this need to be explained here? Why the fuck do you continue strawmanning this?

WE SAW IT. We saw girls going for guys with fit bodies.

And then we were told that those girls don't really like those guys. THE WOMEN WHO WERE GOING FOR THESE GUYS AND FUCKING THESE GUYS SAID THEY DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THOSE GUYS. THE WOMEN THEMSELVES said those guys were assholes, and that they really liked "Nice Guys".

We were also told that the only girls who like good looking men with fit bodies were slutty, crazy, stupid, broken, or damaged. And that someday they'd figure it out. And that we didn't want those kinds of women anyway.

What in the holy fuck were we supposed to do? Tell the girls they were lying? Tell the girls that what they said made no sense? Conclude that the girls were lying? HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT AT AGE FUCKING 14? Are we supposed to tell our parents, teachers and other adults that they are lying and to fuck off? Are we supposed to conclude they are wrong? HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT AT AGE 14 WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE FRAME OF REFERENCE OR EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE TO DO THAT???

DO YOU GET IT NOW????

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But a lot of guys here claim that it never occurred to them that fit bodies are more attractive than flabby ones. because somethingsomething Disney.

You sure about that? Nearly every guy if not all guys here recognizes this and a lot of them here even say if you don't work out you can't even get a woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What isn't said is that you need gear to attain that body.

That its illegal is sooooo much horseshit.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who cares if she thinks anything is valid? In what way does her hamster have to do with you making your life awesome?

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just truing to get an idea of where anti-RP folks are coming from.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

women see this post and respond "you're just a neckbeard who expects to date a supermodel."

Just think if women didn't mock these men the circle jerking would never take place. Tho I can't help but see the double standard here in that when a man vents about women he is mocked for it but when a woman does so she isn't mocked for it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tho I can't help but see the double standard here in that when a man vents about women he is mocked for it but when a woman does so she isn't mocked for it.

have you ever been to /r/tumblrinaction?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've check it out some, it's also not representative of society.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They were talking about here, as in PPD. Why would they need to comment about tumblrinaction?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 9 points10 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

I don't think most bloops are interested in focusing on shitting on low value men. I think we go after the misogyny or entitlement that some of the types you've described are more likely to display, and actually, I see RPers being hostile to incel types more than BPers.

I think it's more that we go after ideas/beliefs we think are wrong or hateful, rather than specific stereotypes of PPD men.

And tbf, when we had oilpainter here posting shit about outlawing gyms and redistributing sex through gov-subsidized prostitution, he was fair game to everyone. Reds seemed just as likely to shoot those ideas down as blues.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's another thing, why is RP singled out the way it is with regards to accusations of misogyny? It's not life misogyny has never existed before RP, and it's not like traditional PUA has never ruffled feathers before, so what makes RP so special that warrants it being called out the way it is compared to traditional "misogynistic" PUA that we've already seen before?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are we on a sub that debates PUA? If we were I'd do the same thing. It's not that it's special, but is here where we are.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No I'm saying that traditional PUA has always offended people, RP is no different in that it offends people but RP is different from traditional PUA so that must mean RP critics also have a more different and unique way of hating it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, well honestly I have no idea. I don't know much about traditional PUA or the hate that it got, except if RooshV counts, and then I know just a little.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I don't think most bloops are interested in focusing on shitting on low value men.

There's a whole sub about doing so.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I mean on PPD, and even then I question that r/TBP is mostly interested in shifting on low value men, they usually focus on the terrible misogynistic posts, from what I recall.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

they usually focus on the terrible misogynistic posts

Which seem to often come from low value men.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

But you're missing the main point which is that they aren't going after them for being low value, but for being misogynistic.

Regardless, I'm not even a poster/commenter there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Not missing the point, just disagree with it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ok find me some TBP posts about incels or linked from r/incels where their views are genuine and they are just hating on incels and not the shit they say about women. Then I might believe you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/5mixa1/existence_of_rincels_is_a_great_sign_of_progress/

That took all of 3 seconds to find. Either you didn't look, which I bet you didn't, or you so blinded to TBP bashing TRP/incels for being low value men you can't even see it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That person is describing people who write shitty posts about wanting control over women, etc. How can you not see it's about what they say and not them simply existing?

And no I didn't look, nor do I care to, it's not my job to prove your argument. For the last time, I'm not a TBP poster stop putting me in that bucket.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

How can you not see it's about what they say and not them simply existing?

Maybe because it is about them existing?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Blues don't go after Reds for being "low value"? Seriously? u/skinnysweaty does that ALL THE TIME.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I go after them because they are

  1. Misogynistic or sexist.

  2. Low value claiming that they are "average" and trying to foist their personal failings on society as a whole.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, you go after them because you enjoy shitting on them. Which is what this post is about.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk that's the real reason but he's also just one bloop, the majority of us do not.

[–]Superfluous_ToastThe scariest sex is the "not with you" kind 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you don't want to be treated like a stereotype, don't act like one. The so called "low value men" made their bed when they decided to spew shit at people on the internet. Don't complain and shit all over people, and then expect them to treat you with respect.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't complain and shit all over people, and then expect them to treat you with respect.

The irony of this statement. You do realize I am not TRP right?

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't think most bloops are interested in focusing on shitting on low value men.

Then why does nearly every thread on TBP include perjoratives like "neckbeard", "virgin", "basement dweller", etc.?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I was talking about bloops here.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Can you honestly say those pejoratives don't also pop up here? Or that many blue pill commenters here also post on TBP?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Frankly not more than RPers criticize bloops or question our intelligence.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's irrelevant -- we've discussed whataboutism before. You're attempting to derail the conversation.

Please answer the following questions:

Can you honestly say those pejoratives don't also pop up here? Or that many blue pill commenters here also post on TBP?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Stop downvoting me for real, it's every time. If you continue I'm just going to ignore you. It's every fucking time.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not downvoting you. Can you answer my questions?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, not until you quit, I don't believe you, at all.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you'd rather fling baseless accusations about imaginary internet points than have a discussion. Why are you even here?

[–]woefulwankPsychology of Romance 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think most bloops are interested in focusing on shitting on low value men.

Everyone goes after low value men. It's in human nature to highlight and punish weakness or lack of value. It's why it's innate to see lesser good looking as less worthy. There's studies where people with more attractive partners are valued more highly than those with unattractive partners.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

While TRP does ridicule low value men, TBP ridicules them even more, because the sub was literally created to mock TRP and any men who might be TRP, or act like what TBP perceives is TRP without being TRP. TRP was at least created for exchange of and refinement of ideas, sure it's pretty shit now, but there's still at least a little bit of a semblance of the original goal left in it (at least judging from what I saw a few months ago, I haven't been there recently).

[–]hentaipolice 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a low value man, I see a lot of shitting on people such as myself from both sides. I wouldn't know which side does it more, but to me it's hard to tell so I'm assuming both do it somewhat equally.

[–]Feeldariddim 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not even BP but it's pretty clear there's a mental illness there. I would go as far as to say that most people who model their lives in accordance to what is said on an internet advice board full of randoms, are either a) socially deficient, b) socially incompetent, or c) just flat out dumb af. If you need someone to explain to you why you need to strictly get advice from people who: 1) know you personally and 2) have earned your respect on the subject, then you're probably one of these people. This is one of the main reasons people develop friendships. You get to personally connect with people who you know aren't fuckups and who can teach you useful shit that you can use in your own life.

I think at best RP should be some sound board where dudes who are pissed at their dating problems can go vent just so they can eventually calm down, and then get back to normal life. I think it used to be that in the earrrrly days (I remember when that subreddit first started) but then people starting internet ego tripping. People who could communicate their ideas well in their posts became the oracles who were being applauded not necessarily for the merits of their posts, but for the manner in which they could express ideas and opinions eloquently and assertively. This was particularly valued considering that reddit loves censoring out anything that doesn't jive with the uber-liberal-20-something-know-it-all zeitgeist. Some people got pissed, then sucked it up and moved on with their lives in a better direction. A large faction however, never bothered with the leaving (this is the internet after all). They stayed and talked endlessly about the same shit because they had nothing better to do. They'd refer to other posters as "brother" cringe and had this weird 4chan-esque connection to each other that's just straight up weird, as if there is any bonding element to not being able to garner attraction in the opposite sex. That bizarre social connection, one which suppresses real life interpersonal skills and exaggerates online relationships, tells me that something isn't right with their brain wiring.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most people do move on with their lives, hence why it's called an anger phase, I think it's important for people to realize that while RP tells guys that it's okay to feel angry it's not good to wallow in those emotions indefinitely because it's counter productive

[–]Feeldariddim 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most people do move on with their lives, hence why it's called an anger phase

Yeah I don't buy that part about moving on. If you're logging into reddit and still theorizing about why basic chicks are par for the course when it comes to women in general, you've got a mental disability. There's a disconnect from reality that somebody like that just doesn't have the capacity to understand. Side note: I blame sugar, processed foods, and a generation of men who, quite frankly, weren't worth a shit to their sons.

Before, guys would get on RP rant and rave and come to the realization that the chicks they were into were boring as shit. Why was that? In part because they were boring and had no standard of measuring a woman's attractiveness beyond T&A. That doesn't even happen anymore, rather than fundamentally change the game and improve social mores in the process, they've gone balls deep into the same degeneracy they find problematic. That shit is beyond retarded.

[–]DicklessAlpha 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Their biggest nightmare is if a RP guy turns out to be a good looking social winner.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, it makes their head spin.

[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (4 children) | Copy Link

This is tagged CMV. Top-level responses should challenge the OP's view.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why? I set it for debate.

[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter[M] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your title is a direct statement of your view, therefore it must be a CMV post. If you'd like, I can remove the post instead.

If you don't want to do a CMV, structure your title so that it either poses a question for debate, or describes a topic without stating your view explictly. Thanks.

[–]BeyondTheLight 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

ugghhhhh DADDDDDDD STAAAAPHH. Nah you are low-key my favorite mod here. Human anyway.

[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

MRW

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Nah they're not doing it maliciously.

Without understanding TRP and while holding onto their BP views, the only thing that makes sense is that Spergs, FAs, and Neckbeards are the ones on TRP that needed or benefitted from TRP.

Its quite natural for them to do this.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Like in the way a sociopathic and sadistic child can't help being that because it's a child and doesn't know better?

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the way someone with a set of beliefs and particular perspective filters information they receive to conform to their perspective as best as possible.

Basic self delusion and biased interpretation of data.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Like in the way a sociopathic and sadistic child can't help being that because it's a child and doesn't know better?

Yeah, I don't know any better. I just do what my mommy tells me and post on r/TheBluePill. I could be doing something productive like writing field reports, but my evil blue pill programming doesn'et let me.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You already take the time to troll on multiple accounts, if you're such a well adjusted individual why are you even on here so fascinated by other people's lives?

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The mods have time to mess around tagging this post CMV and stickying a comment explaining that at the top, yet don't have the time to at least temporarily ban obvious trolls like /u/SipsSparklingWater. Missing the forest for the trees.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The mods are anti-RP biased it seems

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think it's that they're too concerned about being seen as overly supportive of TRP. If they actually banned trolls and the like a ton of blue pillers on here would be affected.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So then it just proves that BP is a bunch of horseshit.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

They're really doing a disservice to blue pillers on here. If they actually had to defend blue pill positions on their own merits, and actually had to criticize what red pillers actually believe in (instead of straw men), they'd be forced to make much more persuasive arguments. Instead, blues are allowed to troll and shitpost and just take the path of least resistance.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and actually had to criticize what red pillers actually believe in

We've tried but all we've got is "but muh toolbox"

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ehh, it's just two accounts. and I love people.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You're writing this from dead center in your echo chamber.

I'd mention the irony but RP is immune from irony and satire.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You're writing this from dead center in your echo chamber.

I'd mention the irony but RP is immune from irony and satire.

Whats the difference between our echo chambers?

I've been where you are. You haven't been where I am.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I've been where you are. You haven't been where I am.

Oh really?

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've been where you are. You haven't been where I am.

Oh really?

Of course. I've had your mentality and viewpoints before when I was BP. You've never had mine as you've never been RP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you saw the way I live day to day you would think I am RP.

I just don't do sexism and misogyny.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I just don't do sexism and misogyny.

But you treat women how RP would have you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm actually capable of making up my own mind on how to treat women. I don't need RP's sexist dogma.

[–]SetConsumesAlways Becoming 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You make no fucking sense.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Coming from you, I'm cool with that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah they're not doing it maliciously.

As an Evil Blue Pill man I can confirm. I live in a castle in the clouds like No Heart'

Red Pill tears are the only thing that sustains me.

Its quite natural for them to do this.

The sperm I spawned from burnt holes in condoms. It's just what us natural alphas do, shit on incels and terps.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill tears are the only thing that sustains me.

Do they taste better if their face is still stoic?

Stoic tears. Someone needs to use that for a band name.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

It's great you are using my post OP, thank you for that, I appreciate being the example.

The thing is this account u/SipsSparklingWater like most of my accounts is kind of like a character I roleplay as on PPD. Despite a lot of my posts being so snarky, trolly, illogical and even downright hilarious sometimes, I don't actually think in such extreme views.

SipSparklingWater like my other account u/OmLiLi is a caricature of everything wrong with Blue Pillers arguments and everything Red Pillers think about Blue Pillers put into action. SipsSparklingWater is an arrogant blue pill man who shits on everyone who he thinks is below him.

Why do I do this? Because I get the best answers and it helps me further understand actual RPs views.

These are the answers I love to read

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5nc2we/cmv_it_would_be_unfair_if_top_tier_men_did_not/dcaswzl/?context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5lfsxn/cmv_men_caring_about_a_womans_partner_count_and/dbvi87e/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5jykf1/cmv_women_arent_going_to_shit_test_men_they_are/dbjye59/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5chx40/q4rp_what_is_in_this_allegeded_blue_pill/d9worm2/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5myktt/cmv_only_weak_men_dislike_high_partner_count/dc7aojy/

I get all these nice answers and I understand RP perspective on things a little better every time.

"Yeah shitlord, I'm great and you're not. I have it easy and you don't, and you should just go fuck yourself because no one owes you shit! the fact that you're even complaining means you're entitled and don't respect women, lol go kill yourself faggot!"

That's borderline something I would say, minus the go kill yourself and I hate the word "shitlord". People are really sensitive, this is essentially just blue pill locker room talk. Like I really don't see any blue pill men shitting on FA, Incels etc. besides me.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

SO, again... you're trolling. You're deliberately stirring the pot and inflaming passions and prejudices, so you can elicit the most extreme responses you can. you're advocating positions you don't genuinely hold. Youre taking positions you don't really believe in and aren't really interested in defending.

you really should be banned.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

you really should be banned.

Ehh, if I get banned it's whatever.

you're advocating positions you don't genuinely hold

Those are the positions I hold, they're just a little more extreme.

[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Ehh, if I get banned it's whatever.

Don't even pretend like you wouldn't be crushed and spiral into a Kanye/Thom Yorke/Morrissey-tier depression

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why are you playing along with this? You're a mod. He's breaking the rules and flaunting it. How is he not banned already?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sips is a fun pet the mods like to keep around. Clickbait and it spurs on discussion.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A fun pet that shits over every room in the house.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol I kinda simultaneously want but don't want for him to get banned.. Maybe his flair should be "Official PPD troll" or something

[–]woefulwankPsychology of Romance 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thom Yorke

Bit unfair, his ltr jus died and shit. At least now his perpetual melancholy is just.

[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're probably right :(

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Only if you where the one to do it hyperreal, it would break my little heart. I'll make sure to write my next song about it.

[–]hyperrreal1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll make sure to write my next song about it.

I hope it would be similar to this song.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

do I ever cross your mind, anytime

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Then you don't really hold them

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But I do.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't. You said you hold a less extreme version of them. You're being deliberately dishonest for the purpose of saying inflammatory things all to the goal of generally pissing people off and eliciting angry, hotheaded, unbalanced responses.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

eliciting angry, hotheaded, unbalanced responses.

I actually get really insightful nice responses.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like sips.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill 1 point2 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Oh, that's you? Where do you find the time for all this?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (24 children) | Copy Link

Ehh, I just shit post when I'm not studying or working. It's actually really easy and quick to shit post.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What? Studying and working is the best time to shitpost.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I post during my breaks at work or between classes, right now I am listening to music and trying to figure out where I'm going tonight.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uhh, whenever I am dumb enough to actually go to a lecture I realize why I generally don't do it and start posting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If the lecture sucks I will too, I hear ya.

[–][deleted]  (19 children) | Copy Link

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[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains[M] 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Be civil. Please review the rules if you wish to keep posting.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Making purposely inflammatory comments is OK then? It details conversation and makes the sub useless.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains[M] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Out of the two comments, yours was purposefully inflammatory. I'll repeat: review the rules.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Out of the two comments? He just said he has entire accounts with that purpose.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains[M] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Which justifies you insulting him how? Do the rules cease to exist if you perceive that someone else broke them?

No? Then play by the rules. We're talking about your behavior, which was inappropriate. "He did it too!" is not an excuse and is literally codified in our rules.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there a reason why the mods here are being so blatant biased and hypocritical? dude admits he comes here to troll yet no one bothers to enforce rules.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not trying to justify myself.

E: having accounts just to shitpost is not even about your subs rules is what's wrong with the whole website.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Here's a rule:

(3) Do Not Troll.

I'll wait why you ban /u/SipsSparklingWater.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

/u/alreadyredschool /u/LeaneGenova /u/hyperrreal

I'll take the ban if you think I deserve it just to make him happy. Suspend me at your discretion.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with /u/hyperrreal. When you warrant a ban, you will be banned. We aren't in the habit of censoring users because other users want it.

[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you keep accumulated deleted comments, you will get temp-banned. But I at least, I am not going to ban anyone just because a bunch of others start demanding it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

But you won't ban someone who openly trolls, admits openly that he's trolling, and PPD has a rule specifically against trolling?

I'm not asking for a ban because I want him to be banned. I'm asking him to be banned because he breaks the rules and is telling you he breaks the rules and is openly posting about the fact that he breaks the rules.

[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe you. Where were these complaints about clear RP rule breakers? I never recalled you insisting that GLO be banned, even though he was a much worse offender and openly admitted it. And guess what, we gave him tons of second changes too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you a man or a woman?

[–]Feeldariddim 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

didn't the guy that started the donald say he was "roleplaying"? lol thats such a "im not really autistic i just play one on the internet" copout

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

BP does not give two shakes of a dead rats ass about your "sex strategies" or how much you don't get laid. We are here because of the sexism and misogyny pouring from RP like a broken sewer pipe.

Don't be sexist assholes and you'll never hear from BP again.

[–]ThrowawayCactus6012 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

We are here because of the sexism and misogyny

You make it sound like some kind of noble crusade. "Sexism and Misogyny, Oh My!" You think you hold the moral high ground? Is that it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

No, we oppose sexism and misogyny.

[–]ThrowawayCactus6012 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, we oppose sexism and misogyny.

What for?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because we believe it's wrong.

[–]ThrowawayCactus6012 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because we believe it's wrong.

So then, it is a crusade. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just don't understand why so many BPers try to deny it or downplay by saying that they're here just for yucks. If you take the issue seriously and wish to discuss it seriously, then by all means, do so. But there's too much posturing here.

Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. So what if a few guys (whom are already viewed as "losers" from a BP point of view) on the internet say stuff about women? A lot of people talk shit, even misogynistic, sexist stuff, but I think it often gets blown out of proportion. At least in terms of "real world" politics, there might be greater threats to our civilization than the red pill. If anything, you appear to be attacking a symptom rather than any real problem.

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Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is.

Then you should never have a word to say about "tumblristas", SJW's, or Feminists of any stripe.

[–]ThrowawayCactus6012 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then you should never have a word to say about "tumblristas", SJW's, or Feminists of any stripe.

While I reserve the right to say whatever I want about anything, I will say that I don't spend a great deal of time talking about "tumblristas," SJWs, or feminists. In fact, I've never even used the word "tumblrista" before this post.

I actually see most SJWs and feminists as pawns and parrots, just like a lot of ideologues and political hacks (including many on the conservative side of the spectrum, too). The real shame of it all is that, apart from all the posturing and trolling, there's so much that both sides actually agree upon. There's no need for another "red scare."

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

SkinnySweaty,

This is off topic, and maybe reserved for PM's, and maybe even not my business, but I'm high and so I gotta ask you something, and this isn't from a place of snark or malice or anything. I just want to know where you're coming from.

I see on you on this sub a lot, and from your comments I think I kind of understand where you're coming from. But the thing is, those comments don't give me the impression that you're feeling happiness or joy in the moment that you write them. Writing these things costs you some kind of mental exertion, does it not? So, I suppose you do it for a good reason.

What is that reason? I don't know why you do the things you do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know why you do the things you do.

Cool.

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Color me shocked.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The sexism and misogyny is a perfectly normal reaction/emotion to feel in response to the current SMP. get use to it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The sexism and misogyny is a perfectly normal reaction/emotion to feel in response to the current SMP.

Glad you are finally admitting it.

get use to it.

Then get used to BP and quit bitching about it.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

BP should get used to the anger and misogyny first before the other way around since RP is a reaction to the lopsided SMP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How should we fix this "lopsided SMP"?

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fix it? I don't think it can be fixed ("enjoy the decline"), but RP guys know that it's better to adapt even at the expense of women and their hurt feelings.

[–]questioningwomandetached from society 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

and I have a right to be a bitch back to that sexism and misogyny. Get used to it.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How about you and I date each other so we can relieve each other's anger?

[–]questioningwomandetached from society 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.angerroom.com/ we can go here lol

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[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..|| 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree with your view. Why would male blues have flair like "Bigger D than you", "Chad's Dad" and the like? They somehow find time in their busy schedule of getting all the pussy to crap all over the guys who don't get all the pussy.

They're like the stereotype high-school jocks. Being popular, awesome, well-liked and neck-deep in hot chicks isn't enough for them. They have to come here and tell us we are terrible people because we have to work our assets off for what they have naturally. They suck.

[–]drok007Not white enough to be blue pill 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBF I trash the shit out of BPers to being weirdos and whiners all the time. We definitely need to allow trashing of all types of people.

As for punching down on incel types, well yeah, they've finally found someone lower than them.

[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're essentially bullies who sadistically enjoy kicking guys on the ground and enforcing their "place" in the hierarchy.

They already hamstered it to "I just do it because those guys are mean to women on the internet". So they are innocent in their minds.

Instead, the focus from BP is always about the low-SMV and incel men who bitch and moan. Yes, RP is full of them, no one denies that, but to characterize all of RP in that light is arguing in bad faith

Even TRP agrees that those incel men who do nothing suck, what is the point of BP besides bullying if they just focus on them. It won't change anyone's mind about RP, it's a swing and miss as usual.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They already hamstered it to "I just do it because those guys are mean to women on the internet".

They're completely comfortable hating people who "asked for it". There's a stunning lack of self-reflection on why they believe in that justification for hate. It's third grade morality and the intellectual curiosity to match.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's never about RP principals themselves, or the fact that many average and 'successful' men still find themselves in the world of RP for whatever reasons; guys who have the confidence to approach women but have weak style and game, guys who can get dates but fail to close the deal, guys in LTRs but who are uncertain and have weak frame, or they feel that their LTRs are lackluster and unfulfilling, maybe they're tired of being boyfriends all the time and just want to get better at scoring ONS and casual hookups, etc,..point is tons of 'normal' men can and do appreciate RP.

If you're successful it's made up or you didn't neeeed it. Nevermind all the introspective before and after RP experience and observation. It doesn't count unless you fail and throw an internet tantrum for r/thebluepill to jerk it to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And as a blue if your experiences contradict red pill dogma you're told by terps that you're either a special snowflake or lying. And round and round the wheel goes.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is almost 200,000 strong and there are various subgroups and a lot of riff and raff among them.

The thought leaders tend to be guys who have their shit wired tight; they have some experience in the SMP and are perhaps married or LTRed. From what I can see they are early 30s to middle aged, middle class, college educated and there are a disproportianate number of entrepreneurs.

This is totally at odds with the unwashed masses of TRP members who tend to be teenage or early-20s incels or middle-aged divorced rapee chumps, all of whom are crying to WTF?

Your natural Chads don't hang there but guys who had to work for it to get their head straight and life in order are willing to dedicate 15 minutes a week to pay it forward and share.

A lot of BP is just kicking men when they are down. When I was down I got kicked a lot and when I finally said enough is enough, you fuckers still wanted to kick me. Didn't happen and I rose above it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad I am not the only one who sees this. I've been arguing for at least a year that r/thebluepill, and blues in general, are not here in good faith to debate red pill concepts (because that's what this sub is for). They're here to moralize and to shit on Reds.

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[–]hyperrrealTolerable Shitposter[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Post to the automod comment. This is a CMV post.

[–]Battle-Scars 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow! I have to say I usually dismiss your posts but this one, and your comments impress me. Props to you boobs. I have to ask, are you a man or a woman? No insult intended, I'm just curious.

[–]Shazoa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, BP people just tend to jump on these kinds of people when they spout offensive views. And they often do.

There's plenty of conversation here that goes on completely unrelated to putting low SMV men down.

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[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

To be fair this wasn't originally a CMV, I had set it for debate but mods took it upon themselves to change it.

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[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And that vision is what exactly? More BP train of thought? Their bias against RP will only further push guys into red territory.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I actually do that on purpose all the time. Even in this very post.

I hope that one day someone might sit there and realize "hey that bias against us terpy Terps Dario has is just like how I generalize women/feminists/non-whites based on a vocal minority. Maybe I should be more open minded", but nah they'll never be that self aware.

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you admit that you're not here to discuss sexual strategy but rather you just want to be aggressive towards the reds because they hurt women's fee fees? Why not actually come up with an argument that challenges RP instead of just trolling the guys who follow it.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why not actually come up with an argument that challenges RP instead of just trolling the guys who follow it.

Why not both?

[–]AnUndecidedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because the latter makes people inclined to take you less seriously as a poster.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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