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Think about how many men you know who’ve dumped a LTR woman because she lost her job, became ill, or due to other unfortunate circumstances beyond her control.

Now think about how many women you’ve known who’ve dumped a LTR man after he got sick, was in a work accident, was laid off, became depressed, etc.

Now think about all the divorces you’re familiar with, whether it was the husband or wife who filed, and consider the circumstances leading up to the separation.

Then consider how many elderly men follow their mates into the grave within months to a year of their wives’ passing, and compare it to wives following their husbands.

And, before y’all start going off on absent fathers - I’ve seen pregnant women actively drive fathers away before blaming them for everything and telling their kids their fathers abandoned them (when these men clearly wanted to be a part of their lives - including the women’s).

A woman stumbles and a man will stick it out. A man stumbles, she’s gone. Why is this?


[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.81 points82 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

You can base this purely on your experience but the data we have shows a mixed picture. Women are more likely to leave when there’s financial troubles and unemployment (and money issues are often identified as a huge factor in many divorces), while men are more likely to leave sick women.

Given that many people here are younger I am wondering what experience they truly have concerning these issues since these type of circumstances tend to skew older. I would not imagine it would be very much for many of us.

In my own experience I haven’t seen much of either yet - I’m mid 30s and while I know plenty of older couples I can’t say I even know a ton of divorced people let alone the specific factors leading to divorce in the ones I do know.

Edit: the few divorces I personally know enough about to have at least an idea of what happened involved people who got married too young/too quickly or for the wrong reasons or infidelity.

[–]Jathrowaway9719 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad you brought this up. I’m 21 so I have no marriage experience. From looking at others relationships though reality reflects the stats. Men left their sick wives, women left their financially strapped husbands.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The observation you made in your first paragraph is interesting because it seems like it could be reduced down to "women leave when a man can't provide and men leave when women can't put out."

[–]buarthaDelights in homosexuality25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't even necessarily think it's just 'putting out' so much as 'being attractive'. In my observations men are a lot more caring when they find the person they're with cute/beautiful, if that starts going away, whether it's through something controllable like weight gain or something outside the woman's control like aging or sickness, so does the kindness and patience. I don't think it's a conscious thing, and obviously it doesn't represent every man since I do think a minority of guys have wife goggles strong enough to find their wives beautiful no matter what, but I've seen it happen on lesser scales in several of the relationships around me so it seems to ring true.

It also doesn't help that men have less caring experience and will probably struggle with having to take care of the household tasks, his kids and his wife, whereas women are generally better prepared for those scenarios.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good observations. Thanks for sharing

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am hesitant to boil it down that simply but we can all draw whatever conclusions we like, they will nevertheless be speculative

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't it more likely they these men that divorce just hate their wife and are given a free pass to leave her with their assets intact?

Otherwise, men would leave their elderly sexless wives just as often.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s my take on it

[–]FatherFigure1992 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

I've gotten fired before and my wife stuck with me and told me to not worry about it, but then again we are actually equals and view each other as people first.

[–]LittleBigCheeks12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think, for me at least, it depends on the effort being put in. If my SO was unemployed or laid off I would support him if he was actually looking for work/applying or we had some agreement worked out.

In my last LTR my bf lost his job AND dropped out of school not just without telling me, but lying also. I thought he was in school for a full semester but he was sitting at home. He also said he was looking for work and I believed him for a while, but I caught him sleeping through interviews and just not going. He got one job through an employment agency finally and got fired for being hours late consistently. I stupidly stayed for about 1.5 years. I loved him dearly but you can't help the resentment that creeps in when you're pulling all the weight both financially and at home.

I think it's more about attitude/effort. I don't want to date a "bum" but a bum isn't just someone who is out of work, it is someone who just doesn't want to do anything.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right after we moved in together mr blu’s Company folded and he was laid off. I didn’t give it a second thought because i knew he’d have a new job and that no matter what he’s someone who picks himself up and keeps moving. It’s a character issue. How many of those men who are unemployed and getting fired have other issues going on like laziness, irresponsibility, drug abuse, etc.

Ie correlation doesn’t equal causation.

I’d say the same about men who leave women who gain weight. It may be that he’s a shallow POS. Or it may be something else going.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and I’ve also supported my husband through a period of unemployment although that’s a tad bit different because we both chose it. Nevertheless I would do so again even if it was unexpected and not our choice but it would definitely put strain on the relationship if he didn’t find at least some other source of income after a while. I can admit that.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think for most decent women in good relationships like yours what happens AFTER the firing/layoff/etc is what matters most. If he sits and stews in it, was unable to find a job in his field for like a year or more and also refuses to work some “lesser” job to make ends meet, I think that is when the woman ends up losing attraction, then love, then saying “I’m done.”

A lot of the examples of this I’ve seen the man got depressed/dejected and was entirely unemployed for far too long while the woman struggles to provide for the family. In younger couples especially he may start drinking, playing video games all day, sleeping all day instead of absolutely raging to find a job, any job, to make sure the bills are paid and she (and any kids especially) are provided for.

I just watched this almost happen to two friends of mine. He was laid off from his IT job and just... drank a lot, only applied to a few places and then stopped, and just generally was not functioning well. He got his shit together after about a year of that (and huge financial stress for her), got a good job in his field, turned his mindset around, and just proposed to her: she said yes.

8 months ago I wasn’t sure if they were going to make it. She was beginning to resent him too much and become scared that this was forever. She’s 29 and he’s 35 so she is trying to have children soon. It was getting to the point where he was going to be in deep shit and it’s fortunate he pulled through.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not an alcoholic but I seriously sympathise with him. People think STEM is easy jobs but I went a year with nothing then like 3 months of abusive low tier shit before saying fuck it and doing things the way I do now.

You may have only see him apply to a few places but I can say from experience even if he did dozens and you didn't know he could easily have ended the same way. It's a special kind of hell being locked out of your specialty after all that work.

[–]MajIssuesCaptObvious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. I'm in engineering and have seen good scientists for over a year being unemployed while applying at dozens of places. Because STEM pays well, employers are very meticulous reviewing everyone and will leave a position open for months until they find someone they like. They want the best employee they can find for the money they're going to pay.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Even in the most liberal places people still cling their beliefs to gender stereotypes deep down and stuff like this triggers it

[–]LifterofThingsDelicate Feminine Flower6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit: the few divorces I personally know enough about to have at least an idea of what happened involved people who got married too young/too quickly or for the wrong reasons or infidelity.

I'm in my mid-30s. This has been the case in my peer group as well.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]DoarUnFraier 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Living in a poor Eastern European country I saw a lot of divorces take place around me. Infidelity was rarely a cause for divorce.

Domestic violence in a tie with the husband losing his money and / or capacity to work, were the top reasons most marriages here ended.

The second most widespread reason was the woman going to work abroad and finding a foreign man who was more wealthy (and treated her to nicer stuff) willing to marry her.

The third most widespread reason was the man finding a younger woman willing to marry and have kids with him.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok

[–]johndoesall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was my experience. Married lost job and house in the last recession 2007. Wife left me. Tried to get back together but she cited all my health concerns as a factor why would she come back. I had health problems affecting my job. Was working part time and on disability. She remarried about 6 months ago.

[–]WarezMyDinrBitc0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The data shows that 70 to 80 percent of divorces are initiated by women...

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The data shows that 70 to 80 percent of divorces are initiated by women...

We don't know though where the breakdown of the relationship is. In many cases divorce happens after a breakdown of the relationship, not as the cause of the breakdown.

[–]WarezMyDinrBitc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well we DO know that the court is incintivising the dissolution of marriage and family by having one sided family court laws. Women do not have any reason to work on the relationship when marriage and divorce are win win for them and lose lose for men. The numbers bear this out when sexual freedom is at an all time high, yet birth rates and marriage rates at an all time low. Men are not wanting to commit anymore. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Feminism as well is having an effect but that is the number we cannot really account for. Family values are not up there on the list either. People just aren't getting married anymore and it isn't because women don't want to....

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well we DO know that the court is incintivising the dissolution of marriage and family by having one sided family court laws. Women do not have any reason to work on the relationship when marriage and divorce are win win for them and lose lose for men.

What if I told you everyone comes off worse than before in divorce, and women are usually the worst off? This is what I know

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then consider how many elderly men follow their mates into the grave within months to a year of their wives’ passing

Well that's gonna be rare because most men die before their wives.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

More men leave their sick wives than women who leave their sick husbands. The divorce rate when the wife has cancer is about 23% but only 2-3% when the husband has cancer

[–]SubjectsNotObjects3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A few people have mentioned this so far in the thread: the cynical part of me wonders if this, also, is just about money.

Essentially, there's a chance the women are just doing time to get the inheritance and don't want to risk missing out on money he might leave her.

Men are less likely to get money from their dying women and less likely to need it.

[–]ItWasBrokenAlready36 points37 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Women leave more often when the man is unemployed.

Men leave more often when the women is very ill, or the child is very ill.

Both are pretty shitty behaviors, but having a job is a bit more controllable than having cancer.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas-4 points-3 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Is it? Can people control for recessions, circumstances of birth etc? Can they control for smoking, diet, risky behaviors etc?

[–]ResponsibleCharacter8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

If I lost my job I’d have a serving job in less than a week. There is no excuse for being completely unemployed for a prolonged period of time as an adult. Adults have bills and must be bringing in money.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah same. I’d waitress while I figured something else out. And I’m a licensed attorney

[–]ResponsibleCharacter4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Rock on. Im a STEM PhD candidate. It would take an act of god for me to be unemployed. But yup I’d be right back to serving until I figured something out. Gotta pay those bills.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely

[–]Jaeger__850 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In my country employers generally don't want overqualified employees. They fear they leave fast and are too assertive.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Attorneys with JDs and scientists with PhDs are not "overqualified."

They are simply "qualified."

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you have unemployment benefits that pay more than the jobs available to you, I can see being unemployed for a while. My uncle was making six figures in computer programming until he wasn't. He was unemployed for five years, but they had plenty in savings. He did odd remodeling jobs to keep busy and bring in some cash when the unemployment ran out, but he wasn't about to go to work for just over minimum wage. His time was better spent keeping track of his investment portfolio, and doing things around the house that employed people might pay someone else to do.

That's an excuse, but you're right. If your nest egg isn't paying the bills, you have to get out there and make some money.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did his wife leave him over it?

[–]ItWasBrokenAlready15 points16 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it is. Not trying to diminish job difficulties. I wrote 'a bit'. Might be hard and one can get unlucky, but in 1st world country it's still easier to deal with unemployment, if without disability, than e.g breast cancer. And females with cancer face 21% divorce rate opposed to 3% males.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill-4 points-3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

it's still easier to deal with unemployment, if without disability, than e.g breast cancer

you can mitigate breast cancer risk with a healthy weight. you can mitigate losing your job with good performance at work. neither are entirely controllable, but since layoffs are far more common that breast cancer, i don't think its fair to say layoffs can be avoided more easily.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter15 points16 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Actually 80% of families with 6 or more instances of breast cancer are carriers of mutations in BRCA1/BRCA2 and there is no avoiding it by maintaining a healthy weight. It’s ludicrous to argue that women get breast cancer because they are fat. That is not the case and it is not controllable whatsoever

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill-2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

its not the only factor, my mom wasn't particularly fat when she was diagnosed, i'm just saying its a factor. the more tissue there is in any part of the body, the more risk there will be for random cancer mutations.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Breast cancer originates in breast tissue, not fat cells. The reason you see slightly higher rates in overweight women is because some breast cancers are responsive to heightened estrogren which, also causes the body to hang onto excess fat.

Please don't spout nonsense about breast cancer. Controlling your weight is such a small factor and is not at all comparable to the level of control you have over finding and keeping a job.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you can dramatically reduce your chances of getting breast cancer by maintaining a healthy weight.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It’s still outrageous to imply women are at fault for developing breast cancer and therefore the men who promptly abandon them after mastectomy/ chemo etc are somehow justified. They’re fucked up, just like a woman who immediately dips after a man gets laid off instead of helping him out while he hits the pavement running looking for a new job. More so imo, to abandon someone who is not only in need but physically destroyed, that you were supposed to “love.” That is not love.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

easier to deal with unemployment, if without disability, than e.g breast cancer

i may have misinterpreted the quote i was replying to. i took it as an assertion that unemployment was easier to avoid than breast cancer. i attempted to refute that in my responses.

it is surprising to me that someone would leave in that circumstance. my dad certainly didn't. perhaps there is a lower risk of this when children are involved.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your dad is a good person who truly loves your mother, then men who bail are not and do not. And I get what you’re saying, but unemployment is also easier to fix than breast cancer. One can always take a “lesser” job at any point.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i took it as an assertion that unemployment was easier to avoid than breast cancer.

It is

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

One in nine women will get breast cancer in their lifetime, yes? This includes 95 year-old women who will never live to see that lump metastasize. Meanwhile, more than one in nine working-age adults who want to work are unemployed at any given moment.

This doesn't mean that there is more that an individual can do to reduce the chances of breast cancer than an individual can to to reduce the chances of being unemployed, just that one is considerably more common than the other.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you just fucking say that somebody can mitigate cancer by not being fat cuz you are because that is the only retarded it is shity cruel and disrespectful given that the majority of cancer is genetic

please tell me that you are completely autistic and sociopathic and have never had any life experience because that's what you read like

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You realize that there are a lot of other illnesses one can have that are either inherited, or totally random/uncontrollable?

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes . There’s tons of shitnout of control

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man30 points31 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Since the man is supposed to "provide" in many women's minds, when he shows signs that he can't, why would they stay?

This should be common sense.

[–]reluctantly_red25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

man is supposed to "provide" in many women's minds

Heard this one -- exact quote from ex-wife "you were my husband you were supposed to do that". The fact that she was already cheating with her next husband during the time period we were talking about didn't seem to effect her thought process.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because that's not all the partnership is based on and more women than not these days have their own provisions..

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I simply offered a possible (and probably popular for the women who leave) thought process to answer OP's question

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women having their own provisions matters as much as men having internet porn and a trusty hand to take care of their needs. Women are hardwired to be attracted to men who provide resources, protection and elevated social status. It doesn't matter that you don't need the money; it matters that he couldn't help you if you did.

You ever notice how professional men almost never have "professional" in their requirements in dating sites, but professional women always demand a professional man? Docfors, lawyers and executives don't need no man for his money, but they have no interest in men that they see as beneath them in the social hierarchy. Dries 'em right up.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Having resources one of the only saving graces you betas have so enjoy it while it lasts

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Meh. The world we know will end soon enough. The weak will die, and the surviving men will all be alpha providers. Strong independent women in this world will find themselves latching onto any man who can provide a small measure of physical security and food security in the dystopian near future. It will be terrible, but the sexual marketplace will finally balance out. Former social media "influencers" will suck a dick for half a roasted squirrel without regret.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think that will happen but I will fucking be tickled pink to watch a social media influencer suck a dick for half a roasted squirrel. Can we just make that happen right now in real time?

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Throw out enough likes, or hearts, or whatever the local currency is, and you can find someone who will debase themselves in any way you like. I nearly welcome the end of civilization.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I always say women need security like men need sex. Its why MRP is shaped the way it is.

[–]NotPrincessErin 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’d rather have the sex than the security. Someone who treats me as an equal (and contextually, is my equal) who shares my kinks and likes fucking me but doesn’t have money or power is way better than a rich dude who’s an asshole and can’t fuck.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And I've seen women leave men for losing their ability to provide. I hope there's a lot of women that don't ask for commitment and are okay with just sex. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be the average propensity as it is for men. But I didn't just bring up money, you don't want a dude that beats you, cheats on you and generally doesn't treat you equally.

As you say, someone your equal and why you don't say someone below you.

[–]reluctantly_red8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

who’ve dumped a LTR man after he got sick

My ex-wife asked for a divorce the same day I was diagnosed with a heart condition. Thankfully it turned out to be easy to fix -- but she didn't know that at the time. My value tanked that day and she bolted without a second thought.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh come on you know it wasn't because of that....

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Actually most men who become widowers replace corpse wife with new wife or new GF very quickly. I know several youngish widowers and a few widows and the men replaced and the women did not. I also know men who vamped out on a sick wife. One woman I worked with had to drive herself to radiation treatment for breast cancer because it was "too much stress" for her husband. We stepped in to fill the gap. So my observed experience has been the exact opposite and it is women not men who stick it out.

[–]SeasonedRP7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the following their wives to the grave part is describing elderly men. With younger widowers and men who get divorced, I've seen the same thing you have--these men often replace their wives quickly. These men seem lost without a woman living with them. I'm not sure why that is, but it's fairly common.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair point. I think the old guys who die quickly after wives have no adult children nearby to fill the gap. The ones with adult children available might do okay because there is somebody to do stuff for them.

[–]WaterOnMyHood 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

The men leaving their sick wives never made any sense to me. If I imagine myself in that situation it would make absolutely no difference whether she was sick or not. It doesn't turn me off viscerally and I don't see that person differently at all.

The devil is in details. Men do not care for their health that much and it's not uncommon for men to drop dead because they tried to tough out some fatal disease. Women are more immediately aware of their health.

The differing mentality between the two is likely the root cause. A sick woman will not put her husband before her health. A sick husband is likely going to play down the disease and act like it doesn't even exist.

[–]boatyscxslave0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I think that makes sense!

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the kind of thing I've observed as well. I don't know where OP is coming from.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Think about how many men you know who’ve dumped a LTR woman because she lost her job, became ill, or due to other unfortunate circumstances beyond her control.

Newt Gingrich left his wife for a younger model when she was in the hospital with cancer. That's just one prominent example.

Tons of men leave women because she had a baby and didn't lose the baby weight. Or because she is now 40 and there is a cute 22 year old secretary at his work. I'm not buying this "men will stick it out and women won't" argument at all.

[–]JulesPierreMeoww 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hell, John McCain too. His first wife waited for him while he was improsined in Vietname and he promptly left her for a trust fund beauty queen the minute he returned to the US and I believe she too was diagnosed with some illness.

It's actually proven that men leave their sick wives at 7 times the rate than the other way around. It's been observed and proven so repeatedly that hospital and oncologist practices have family support centers to help spouses (90%+ of who are women) when their partner leaves them.

[–]learn2earn890 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not only that, I've seen men re marry another woman less than a year after his first wife passed away.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill20 points21 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure the data has suggested that women are more likely to stay with men who develop health problems than vice versa so the premise is already flawed. It's sort of the stereotype that men want to ditch their aging partners to shag younger women.

The fact that men "follow their wives to the grave" results more from men generally living shorter live spans, and thus die sooner "after the partner dies". Dying when your partner dies doesn't mean you're "sticking it out with them" it just means you haven't been able to resume thriving after they're gone. This could be as much a result of being dependent on their caretaking lol. "Needing" someone is different from 'being loyal" to someone.

[–]cooktight 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

Has anyone got that study linked somewhere? The numbers keep gettitg quoted but I've never seen it sourced

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not only are women more likely to stick around with a sick husband than vice-versa, they are also more likely to donate an organ to him than he is to her.

Spouses are often the first to volunteer to donate a kidney to their loved one. And while women are more likely to get chronic kidney disease, men are more likely to be treated for end-stage renal failure – meaning of heterosexual couples, more wives than husbands may feel compelled to step up. In a study of 631 living kidney donors in Switzerland, for example, 22% were female life partners while 8% were male partners...

Women also far outstripped men in donating to their children, a sibling or another family member, for example.

[–]cooktight 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

There isn't anything in the article saying its a result of decisions rather than circumstances ie, men being more likely to have kidney disease, wives generally being younger and men more likely to be bread winners that can't take time off for recovery. It would be interesting to adjust for these factors and see how it shakes out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And while women are more likely to get chronic kidney disease

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, so you stated that women are more likely to donate an organ to get man than he is to her, implying some sort of inherent selflessness in women. Your citation says that men are more likely to need donor kidneys. It's great that so many women donated kidneys to their partners, but it's no indication of men's willingness to donate a kidney. It's an indication of how many married people needed donor kidneys.

[–]PeskyPapayablue5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091110105401.htm

This is the study linked on femcel subreddits I believe, it seems to only cover cancer and MS though I'm not sure why other illnesses would be different.

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finances. People underestimate by far how many unhappy men stick around with a woman they hate just to avoid the divorce courts.

If you lost everything paying for treatments, you have little reason to stick around.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Last time someone posted the data, I remember health being the only data point where men are more likely to leave their wives.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because they don't have to physically divorce to "leave" the relationship. They just go cheat or go out to get a pack of smokes.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It makes sense considering that sex is often paramount to men in relationships. If she no longer is physically capable, then he is apt to bounce.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if she is capable, she can't be a new woman.

[–]EspressoCappuccino21 points22 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

A woman stumbles and a man will stick it out. A man stumbles, she’s gone. Why is this?

Women have more options than men. You're either a woman's top option or you're practice. Hypergamy doesnt care.

Once she gets that opportunity to branch swing she will. Not only will she branch swing but she'll hamster her way into the new relationship to fit her narrative. Saying things like "he's not the guy I fell in love with" "I wasn't happy. "

That's why you always have to be on top of your game as a man. Wanting a woman is attractive but once that want becomes need, you are fucked and she's gone.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Also, all the literature points to men leaving women who get sick: cancer, autoimmune disease, etc. seems a lot more harsh to me than leaving because your spouse refuses to pull their weight and isn’t doing every possible thing to bring in money to support the household.

[–]EminemLovesGrapesSpongebob0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men don't have to take care in that way of anything. When suddenly your spouse takes ill many men can't handle that type of a burden.

Becaude they've never had to. It's at a level.of emotion that many men don't operate at. Suddenly the dial shifts to a 9.

It's easy to say ''well he wasn't going to die when I left him''.

Taking care of a person in that situation is a huge burden and men just aren't up to that task. I know I wouldn't be.

I see it's just as harsh for the husband to see their loved one die as it to leave them. They're now stuck.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is not an acceptable excuse IMO. So men abandon their dying parents as well? Seems like a cultural/societal issue they need to address. It's supposed to be "in sickness and in health," afterall. And not all men up and abandon their dying spouses. The ones who do have no excuse for their behavior and their love isn't actually love.

[–]EminemLovesGrapesSpongebob0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying it's an excuse, I'm saying it's a valid reason. The burden of performance is heavy enough to carry alone as it is, and it makes sense 1/3 of men just don't have that emotional strength.

Dying parents is different. You're prepared for that already at marriage age. My mother died recently and I got over that even before she passed away because I knew it was coming. There's nothing you can do, and everyone has to watch their parents die.

But for a spouse that's different because you don't expect them to die. I don't excuse it, but I can empathize with them because I can (and can't) imagine how hard that must be for a guy. Women in that regard, just have it easier. They have an emotional support structure.

And yes, society and our culture does need to address it. But it won't. And many men will dump their wives for fear of suicide/burn-out because of it. And I hope something actually happens as opposed to the "It's men's own fault, so solve it yourself" narrative you keep seeingl

[–]ResponsibleCharacter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She’ll stay until she sees too many signs over too much time that he’s not going to go back to being functional. Nobody is going to support an unemployed adult indefinitely (except when that is decided on for the relationship, ie SAHP). If I lost my job I’d be back to waiting tables until I found a comparable position. There is no option where I turn down “lesser” jobs and have 0 income for months if not years.

[–]chomponthebit[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Savage, isn’t it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's how we're all here I guess

[–]jkonrad 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Seems like half the problem is guys don’t know what to do with a woman once they have one.

[–]EspressoCappuccino0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is guys become beta once they become comfortable in a relationship. Forgetting that betaness makes poon dryer than the Sahara, it is literally repulsive to women.

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course he's not the guy she fell in love with. She wore that guy down into a "squeeking little gerbil".

[–]hotcaulkPurple Pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience, it was the male who balked at the idea of being the "stay at home" partner. I had that issue with an Ex. We were discussing hypotheticals, I was with him about 11 years. The issue was the opposite of what you described. I didn't mind the idea of being the sole breadwinner (I made more than he did when we first started discussing this). He thought it would be degrading for him to be a stay at home dad.

He didn't think leaving close to all of the housework/errands to me was degrading to anyone even though I worked more. He just took it for granted. He regrets the way he was now, but he didn't make that change until I was long gone.

We ladies were told over and over "Times are different! You don't have to stay at home anymore. You are just as able to have a career as a male is." No one really ever told the gentlemen "Times are different! You don't have to be the main/sole breadwinner anymore! You are just as able to run a home and be a primary caregiver as a female is!" Everyone just assumed female careers meant two income households instead of more lifestyle options for everyone. That's the message it seemed we all kinda received, anyways.

Men are more likely to leave than a female partner during a terminal illness, by the way. At least in the study mentioned here. Did you have a different source for your claim about illness?

[–]ontherailstoday3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My experience of being with a man who had been laid off was that he lacked the desire to pivot to offering a different form of value? I mean I was doing as many hours of work as I could get, coming home after doing double shifts... and the house was always in a bigger mess and food needed cooking and the dog was desperate to pee... and all my dear husband had been doing all day was smoke cigarettes and watch porn. Then when we had sex he wanted to be all about being pleased and was petulant when I wanted stuff that pleases me.... obviously he'd spent his entire day at home thinking only of himself and not even the slightest moment thinking about me.

Tastes bitter right... when in the past you've been the one with spare time and so many times made him a special meal to come home to because you had a day off and could do that, or tidied up stuff he needed tidied up or even done simple things like aired his hobby room out so it smelled fresh or made sure to shower and put on fresh clothes instead of keep wearing sweaty old workclothes for his arrival home. So he became an ex husband and I went and found someone else to have kids with. And he hasn't had kids and neither has his sister and his father's line ends with him and can't say I think that's a bad thing.

It isn't what he's not doing because he can't do it... it is what he could be doing but isn't. Divorce looks like an overflowing ashtray and dog pee at the back door.

"A woman stumbles and a man will stick it out." Yeah that's because a woman stumbles and she picks herself up and keeps limping on in the right direction. " A man stumbles, she’s gone. Why is this?" Because he stumbles then sits his arse down on the couch, pulls out the games controller and remote control, lights up a cigarette and asks for a blowjob.

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[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You were not with a man who got laid off; you were with a boy who thought he was a man, and fooled you into thinking he was a man until he lost his job. Then he reverted back to the middle-school child he always was, on permanent summer vacation. Your experience says nothing about how a man behaves when he loses his job.

[–]ontherailstoday2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No real Scotsman eh?

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No. No real man. As equal as we like to think society has become, one thing will never change. All it takes to be a woman is to be born with a vagina, and live to adulthood. To be a man takes more than merely being a male over the age of majority. It's not easy to draw a clear line between man and boy, but most individual cases are easy to parse. For instance, an adult male who spends his days playing video games and watching porn while his wife pays the rent and takes care of the household is not a man.

You are judging all men based on the actions of a manchild.

[–]ontherailstoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's not the only one I've seen do it, he's just the only one I've had do it to me. Men are just... well the crap end of the range on every measure seems to involve more men than women. There's more men than woman who are just below the necessary attributes to be a functional partner.

And don't go saying "that's not a man because if it is made of garbage it is not a man" because well... it is a fully grown adult male of the species, it is a man... just a lot more men than women are made of garbage.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My woman stuck with my ass through me breaking my leg so that's nice

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxj6q34fdtfcw3522 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I had a cold once and my gf didn't leave as well.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nice username

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxj6q34fdtfcw3520 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]DaphneDK42TEMC (Trans Exclusionary Male Chauvinist)2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If I remember the stats correctly, then women are more likely to stay with an ill husband, than a man with an ill wife. However, men are much more likely to stay with an unemployed wife, than women are with an unemployed husband.

[–]JulesPierreMeoww 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interestingly enough, the more economically dependent men are on their wives, the less housework they do. Even women with unemployed husbands spend considerably more time on household chores than their spouses.

In contrast, if a man is employed and his wife is unemployed she will take a lot more of the household and childcare chores. That's why a lot of men don't really mind that much if their wives are jobless for a period of time.

[–]CaptDeadlift0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because that's how men were brought up , that women do all the chores and men sit around while mom/gf/wife cleans up.

A extremely bad habit and I consider all males that are unable to take care of themselves , clean after themselves as inept humans of society.

I was the same during my HS and was always waiting for my mom to clean up my room but I did some self examination to realize that it's a shitty behavior and that I needed to change FAST.

[–][deleted]No Pill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think about how many men you know who’ve dumped a LTR woman because she lost her job, became ill, or due to other unfortunate circumstances beyond her control.

Literally the opposite happens, at least in the case of sickness. https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/why-sick-wives-increase-divorce-risk-not-sick-husbands/

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know where you're getting this from. I know TONS of women who were rejected, broken up with, or divorced because they were/became sick.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then consider how many elderly men follow their mates into the grave within months to a year of their wives’ passing, and compare it to wives following their husbands.

In most couples the man is older by a couple years, even 20 and women live longer on average. It would be weird to expect a 70 year old woman to die months after her 80 year old husband dies.

[–]SmurfESmurferson11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Statistically, it’s women who stay with men

[–]mandoa_sky11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

data please

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian-3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

& what does that serve to do? 2 words don't invalidate this persons observations or concerns.

[–]Juko00711 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Without data, you are just another person with an opinion and Ops opinion is just as good/bad as anyones. If we want to have a constructive discussion, we need some facts that we can agree on first.

[–]Bekiala3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No it doesn't and the OP asks a decent question and data would add to the discussion.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

An argument is a claim with evidence. There's no point discussing one person's anecdotes.

[–]chomponthebit[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Data is fine and anecdotes are fine.

Statistically, if men more readily leave ill women, and women , statistically, more readily leave unemployed men, I wanna know.

If your dad outlived your mom, or your sister divorced buddy who lost his job, that’s fine, too.

It’s a discussion. Speak your mind

[–]mandoa_sky4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well what about all those men who cheat on their wives / abandon them when the poor lady develops cancer?

or all the examples on r/justnoso ?

[–]JulesPierreMeoww 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

As stated in multiple posts, men statistically leave their sick cancer-ridden wives at 7 times the rate than wives leave their sick cancer-ridden husbands. It's women who do majority of organ donation and men who are majority receivers of said organs. This is evidence based data and if needed I'll link to the studies but others in this thread have done a good of doing that.

In terms of employment, I'm sure there are women who leave their husbands after they're unemployed. But as again many responses have pointed out:

1.) Usually it's due to extended periods of unemployment on the part of the husband who after a period of time is not contributing in any significant way to the household. Anecdotally, that is what I normally have encountered in my peer group, with the woman pulling double shifts at work, and coming home to do even more housework even while having an unemployed husband laying about not pulling his weight either financially, care-giving or via household management.

2.) Statistically speaking, the more economically dependent men are on their wives, the less housework they do. Even women with unemployed husbands spend considerably more time on household chores than their spouses.

If a man is employed and his wife is unemployed she will take a lot more of the household and childcare chores. That's why a lot of men don't really mind that much if their wives are jobless for a period of time.

3.) It is easier to get another job, even one that pays less, than it is to recover from cancer and other life threatening diseases.

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Thank you.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Show me the data.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

While we are swapping anecdotes, the one couple in my peer group that is (maybe) getting divorced is my sister and her husband. He cheated and told my sister he wanted a divorce, she actually wanted to stick it out and try to make it work. I told her to let him file the paperwork, if he wants to bounce to this new chick, he can do the leg work. That was like a year ago, and as expected he never did, he also never moved out of the house my sister pays for, and it looks like they are coming back together.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because women are cunts

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Preach

[–]HonestyOverCivility1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women are like Lamborghinis

Men are like garbage trucks

A Lamborghini with a working engine is still beautiful and a sight to behold, a garbage truck without a working engine is useless. Ultimately this is just the reality that women have intrinsic value while men have to earn their value in the form of social status, wealth, capacity for work, etc

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Only because men let women get away with not having to earn their value.

[–]HonestyOverCivility0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Male/Female Order of power IMO:

  • Top 20% of men
  • Top 80% of women
  • Bottom 80% of men
  • Bottom 20% of women

Women will always be the more valuable sex as they are the limiting factor in reproduction. Accordingly, by virtue of being the hot commodity they can get away with demanding more while bringing less to the table, until such time that men are the hot commodity (imagine a world war happens that kills off half the male population). Until then, as a man, the only way to win the game is to be in the top 20% of men that the majority of women are competing for

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This can all be solved by cutting out the excessive nature of male thirst. So some of this is our own fault. How do we solve that?

[–]sunshinecentered1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The only study I've found on this topic says the exact opposite of your personal opinon, so I think your ideas are likley not founded in reality.

Study

The present study examined whether illness onset constituted a risk factor for marital dissolution at middle and older ages. In our analysis examining the onset of any of four serious illnesses (cancer, heart problems, lung disease, and/or stroke), we find that only wife’s illness onset is associated with elevated risk of divorce. ...

Article

A woman is six times more likely to be separated or divorced soon after a diagnosis of cancer or multiple sclerosis than if a man in the relationship is the patient

[–]noburuwataya19841 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting study! I'm still left wondering who actually initiated the divorce in the studied women's cases, unless I'm not reading thoroughly enough... Also interesting: ill wives were apparently more likely to be widowed, as well...

[–]ThimbleK961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are actually much more likely to leave their wives if they become disabled than vise versa. Women are more likely to stay with a man who cheated than vise versa. Everyone seems to have their own odd limits.

[–]Atiesh1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the way men are raised and pressured to become family leaders and providers, they are more likely to need to project their feelings of failure on someone else, and the easiest target will actually be someone totally on their side (thus likely to enable him or even become a narcissistic supply). Even a partner who wants to stay through times of hardship must save themselves or become a scapegoat.

[–]illegalladDeep Purple1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe empirical data shows the opposite of this.

[–]Anarcokitty1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gender socialization, basically. Women are raised to be caretakers, healers, mothers etc. A woman that leaves her husband is also shamed by society. Men can leave their wives and kids and its okay. They expect to be taken care of, but not to take care of women as they do for them.

[–]guesswhobitches20190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said.

[–]guesswhobitches20191 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha idk I haven’t dated in so long but usually the men I’ve dated who are depressed etc end up dumping me. Maybe an insecurity/pushing away thing? I guess that just applies to emotions tho rather than being jobless homeless etc. I’m FTM trans btw but I was very much presenting as a “woman” when I dated them, and still do look pretty femme. Also identify as bisexual.

[–]ConcreteAngel7081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it has to do with income. Men are less likely to give up their money and women are more likely to walk away?

My personal experience has been that I see women file for divorce after cheating occurs. I have seen several females get sick and the men cheat. I have seen men who get a major illness and the women are sitting in the hospital 24/7.

Maybe it is because of his status, but my SO has had way more ups and downs than mine. My SO has only had one opportunity to support me in a rough situation and I have literally had dozens to support him.

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men put less into marriage than women. It's therefore easier for them to fall below the threshold of 'better than nothing' than it is for women. See also men's remarriage rates after divorce or widowing compared to the number of women who give up men entirely.

[–]TC1827MRA2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because dating is easier for women. A man will need to put in effort to find love, while a woman can find love w/o trying.

Furthermore, divorce courts favour women so walking out is a payoff off for women, and a financial impediment for men.

Finally, societal expectations still is men as providers. Men have to provide, women have a right to be provided for.

In short, it is because we live in a ridiculously female privileged society, legally and socially.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Social conditioning. It'll start changing soon enough.

After finding the manosphere i changed and dumped my ex when she was down on her luck.

The women were right all along men. Fuck taking care of a useless parasite

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

when she was down on her luck.

What was the problem?

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Didn't make enough money or contribute enough

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxj6q34fdtfcw3521 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is funny, cuz that's what my grandma has been telling me since...forever, to find a woman who has a good career path, never pay for a parasite.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, luckily i didn't pay her anything, but she wasn't much of an asset ethier.

[–]villanelle23eve1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hard to say, too many variables.

[–]analt223No Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if shes hot, she's not "down on her luck" in our eyes. We dont care about income, bad relationships with her mom or dad, diagnosed with depression, etc.

Women do not understand the lack of options the vast majority of men have.

[–]HWGA_Gallifrey0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Perceived or actual resource acquisition is hardwired into the female psyche for mate selection. It honestly falls on men to know who they are entering a relationship with.

Sunken cost fallacy, men leaving their wives and children after a cancer diagnosis, narcissism, psychopathy...all play a part in why one dirt lemur leaves another. There's no set formula or trend...male dirt lemurs just tend to complain about it more. Women usually get around this by having a back up guy or two.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no such thing as a dirt lemur and you should apologize to the adorable little bastards for conflating them with human men 😁

[–]brander200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men and women have biases about a man's social status that dismisses the social context and places emphasis on the man independence. The biases stems from another bias of women's emotional labour and women having an interdependent view of their own status, using their partner as a variable to access their value, as the one that makes the family cohesive and therefore measurable against other families. It's highly cultural.

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Differences in values.

A man with a job that’s paying for an apartment will still find a woman attractive enough to stay with them, while a woman will not find a man as attractive if he is failing to “be a man.”

Basically, men have a higher threshold/are more willing to hold up the weight of the relationship than women are. 50/50 (aka “equality”) is all about perspective and whether or not someone thinks they’re getting a better deal. If someone feels like they’re doing more (even if they aren’t), they’re going to be more stressed and have less stamina to carry their perceived portion of the relationship.

[–]This-is-BS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men mostly look at women as sex objects whose contribution they don't really need. Women look at men as providers and meal tickets and if they can't fulfil that role, they're no good to them.

[–]guesswhobitches20190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex objects/caretakers, right? Esp mommy’s boys or men who need therapy 🤪

[–]ight_here_we_go0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because being a man is actually hard, it is far more acceptable when a woman gets her hand held through her problems.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

IME, people will put up with a lot in a relationship if they believe no one else will want them. But they can be quick to leave if they are certain that is not the case.

[–]farttmistress0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When oil prices plummeted so many jobs were lost in my area. Divorces went through the roof. The law enforcement in my area came out and said there was a “domestic violence crisis,” something like 30-40% of the people in my area were involved in a domestic violence dispute.

This was one of the biggest lessons I learned as an adult as it was so baffling to me to see these once “wholesome couples” claw each other’s eyes out at the first sight of struggle.

Why? I don’t know. Maybe the lack of a provider sends people into some sort of primitive shock. I suppose for hundreds of thousands of years as a species if a tribe of humans failed to have a provider they were pretty much dead. Maybe that has something to do with it?Idk.

Maybe you could say the same thing about a sick woman. Once a female loses her fertility or just becomes really ill maybe a trigger goes off in males that sort of push them to find someone else to pass their DNA onto. I’m just guessing.

[–]OverEasyFetus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just goes to show you're just a utility to her. Women don't love men, they love what they provide.

[–]Ubermensch-10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because the moment women improve themselves, they upgrade.

[–]Crook560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I honestly joke and call my girlfriend my retirement plan. We both agree I’ll never have to work another stressful job again, but I’m gonna have to pull my own weight somehow.

No matter your situation, lift your share. If you’re dating an absolute loser, that’s on you, not society.

[–]backdoorinvestor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy and Briffaults Law. If the female out earns the male, the divorce rate goes up to 75%

[–]abegman670 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not even remotely true LMFAO

[–]shonenhikada0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men are loyal and care about the person. Women are as loyal as she can derive benefits from you. The moment she cannot, she will eventually going to look elsewhere. Men and women do not love equally or the same way.

[–]SubjectsNotObjects0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I would feel too guilty breaking up with a girl who already had a lot of stuff on her plate.

In one last relationship I knew I wanted to end it, she was under a lot of stress at work, I didn't want to be "the straw the broke the camel's back" - and so I waited, helped her to get a new job she was happy with in a new profession - and then ended it.

My experience of women is that they are far more emotionally sensitive and vulnerable than men: they cry easily - they break down easily - and this makes me cautious in breakups - timing is everything, I would feel callous to dump a girl.going through a hard time.

[–]SubjectsNotObjects0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many have mentioned that women are less likely to abandon terminally ill men than vice-versa.

It is worth considering that the financial gains/risks for leaving a dying partner will tend to be different for men and women: let's no paint this is pure selfless virtue when, in truth, it may well be motivated by money.

[–]methylotrophMGHOW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Evolutionary instinct: women are disproportionately endowed with instincts to throw away a man that can't support her and the children. Evolution also makes men more prone to stay with needy women, because it is a harder to ensure paternity of the children of independent women.

Of course today we have paternity testing and welfare so these instincts make less sense.

[–]LotBuilder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman’s value in a relationship is not financial. It’s great if she can carry her own weight but it’s not a make or break issue for most guys unless it’s extreme like zero job and a major spending problem.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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