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So as you may know from here, or FB, or other internet sources, a male BC trial was cancelled due to high rates of adverse side effects.

Now, to clarify before I go on, the news is misrepresented, most men were satisfied with the drug and it was cancelled by those who administrated the trial, not the men.

In fact, 75 percent of the men wanted to continue using the shot, according to a press release from the study.

However, the feminist/female media response was harsh, judgmental, and quite superficial:

Heatstreet reporter Kieran Corcoran, like many others, were put off by women’s responses. “Commentators lined up to mock weak-willed men for bailing on a trial,” he wrote. “Reporters covering this – many of whom likely did not trouble themselves with actually reading the study ... neglected to mention that some consequences were actually quite serious.”

So upon reading this and other sources stating the same lingo, I am thinking, where is the equality here? Isn't there supposed to be women supporting men in their issues here? Why are women making fun of men for a dire situation?

Men, by contrast, are expected to give unquestioning support of women. Men are criticized heavily for ever judging or criticizing women. Here is a great example:

Every time you make a snotty, snide, deprecatory, or disparaging comment about a woman’s weight, you implicitly endorse an unreasonable and unattainable societal standard for beauty that women are subjected to from the cradle onward. You contribute in a direct chain of causality to a culture of death that values women for the size of their jeans rather than the content of their character. You indulge in exactly the kind of time-honored platinum dickishness that has f-cked with the heads and hearts of countless women irrevocably.

My view is, this is evidence that feminism, or women's rights are a female superiority movement. Talking down to someone, calling them a wimp, regardless of the situation, is an attempt to gain power over them. Your weak, I'm strong.

That's not equality.


[–]NotHardcore27 points28 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm not usually a male rights proponet, but in this situation... it feels very sexist. Check out these headlines I just copied down from google news.

male birth control study nixed after men can't handle side effects women face daily USA TODAY - ‎Nov 1, 2016‎

Comedian Calls Men 'Little Bitches' After Male Birth Control Study Subjects Quit Us Weekly - ‎Nov 2, 2016‎

That Male Birth Control Story? Women Are Laughing Because We're So Fed Up Huffington Post - ‎Nov 1, 2016‎

Effective male birth control study halted because men couldn't Starcasm.net - ‎Nov 1, 2016‎

Men Quit Birth Control Study Citing Same Symptoms Women Have Been Dealing With For Years AlterNet - ‎Nov 1, 2016‎

Guys Who Quit Birth Control Study Citing 'Mood Swings' — SUCK IT UP! YourTango - ‎18 hours ago‎

Male Birth Control: Studies Show That Men Can't Handle What Women Go Through Everyday The Bitbag - ‎Nov 2, 2016‎

Male Fragility Halts Progressive Male Contraceptive Because Of Mood Swings And Muscle Pain HelloBeautiful - ‎Nov 2, 2016‎

Men and Birth Control: Guess You're Not as Tough as You Think You Are, Can't Handle a Little PMS? The Root (blog) - ‎Nov 2, 2016‎

Males Cannot Handle Side Effects Of Contraceptives Unlike Women? Morning News USA - ‎7 hours ago‎

Exasperated women told us how they felt about the male contraceptive trial being halted The Tab - ‎8 hours ago‎

Are you man enough for birth control? New Statesman - ‎1 hour ago‎

Guys, it's time to woman up and take on the gig Body and Soul - ‎Nov 1, 2016‎

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's pretty normal to belittle men like this. If women were treated like men by the media is this condescending, patronizing manner they'd lose their minds. Their egos are too fragile to tolerate even a day of being a man.

I mean apparently it's not possible to sell yogurt to women without making men look like idiots. So yeah...

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The bumbling, incompetent male.... something, something, institutionalized sexism??

[–]NotHardcore6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

small detail, but I'm reading its 95% effective and not 96% according to the official report. The hesitation isn't because of men's reactions at all.

"The study was halted, but it wasn't because the men who participated in it were wimpy. It was halted because one of the two independent committees that were monitoring the trial's safety data was concerned about the high number of adverse events the men reported. And, yes, the rate of side effects in this study was higher than what women typically experience using hormonal birth control."

The 320 men who participated in the research reported a whopping 1,491 adverse events, and the researchers running the trial determined that 900 of these events were caused by the injectable contraceptive.

These side effect rate is pretty high with this new study of men when compared with contraception studies for women

Adverse events or not, 75% of the men studied wanted to continue using the shot.

Keep in mind, too, this was a large-scale, multi-country trial involving 10 study centers. And there was some concern that many of the adverse events came from one of the study centers, which may have skewed the data. That’s why the researchers said in the press release, "Given the efficacy and acceptability of this method, despite side effects, there continues to be a strong rationale for continuing research."

"You can’t compare the findings of a phase 2 trial with the echo chamber of personal experience that is the Internet. You have to compare study with study, not a study with an op-ed column. These side effect rate is pretty high with this new study of men when compared with contraception studies for women. "

"You can’t compare the findings of a phase 2 trial with the echo chamber of personal experience that is the Internet. You have to compare study with study, not a study with an op-ed column. These side effect rate is pretty high with this new study of men when compared with contraception studies for women. "

"The study doesn’t say men are wimping out, our low vasectomy rate does

Forget the study. We already have plenty of data on how women bear the burden of contraception when a similar option is available to both in the coupleship. Only 5% of American men have had a vasectomy yet 15% of American women have had a tubal ligation. Almost weekly I discuss contraception with a woman who is having issues with multiple methods. She and her partner have finished childbearing and yet she can’t get him to make an appointment to discuss vasectomy. She just rolls her eyes. She’d given up asking. She assumed the not insignificant risk of pregnancy usually more than once and yet she cannot get her partner to assume the insignificant risk of a vasectomy. What exactly does that say? Yeah, I know this is not all men but it’s a lot. And this, quite frankly, is bullshit. The numbers should be reversed."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She assumed the not insignificant risk of pregnancy usually more than once and yet she cannot get her partner to assume the insignificant risk of a vasectomy.

Its his body, his choice.

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[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason there is more tubals is because it's done in conjunction with other surgical procedures (like C-sections or laparoscopic procedures), despite the fact that vasectomies have less healing time than tubals.

Most women aren't getting tubals to enjoy the CC, just like most men aren't getting vasectomies to enjoy bachelorhood. They are done after children most frequently in marriages.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget the shitfest TrollX is having over this, bashing the hell out of men and that being sexist about it at the same time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw this same crap plastered all over Facebook yesterday. Disgusting and sexist. "Equality," indeed. :/

[–]holdyourthrow5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My two cents as a medical doctor (not an reproductive endocrinologist). This med as I understand is progestin, a natural analogue of a female hormone. It is not a naturally occuring hormone in a male's body. While female cc pills trick the body into thinking it's in a certain stage of the natural cycle, the male cc pill does something unnatural and feminizing. I am not a transgender person and i would not subject my body to female hormone.

[–]TW_CountryMusicbluepill redneck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow I didn't know that. That seems...ill-advised.

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[–]alreadyredschoolRational egoism < Toxic idealism[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Take it to the automod.

[–]peacockpartypantsI like popcorn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think anybody should be a jerk to anyone... Keeps life nice and simple, people who are incapable of that can go away. Nice people can stay. Yay! Anyways.

We all know the media is bonkers and batshit. I think consumers of media have a responsibility to be careful what they hear, see and read.

It seems obvious to me any news source calling men "weak" for dropping out of the study, are doing it for the clicks and advertising cash. That's a pretty bold thing isn't it? Pretty nasty, negative, and we all know how people in general eat that up. I wouldn't say creating click bait article material in this instance has so much to do with feminism as it does with today's typical, thoughtless, shallow journalism.

Huffington Post is well known to be a shoddy, unreliable, very clearly bias news source. For christ sake, they cited USATODAY, which may very well be the American equivalence of the UK's Dailymail. In other words, I wouldn't take either source's articles all that seriously as a reflection of a majority of people's actual feelings about the drug trial. Much less so any reflection on feminism, and it seems to me, much more a reflection of the click-bait times we live in.

The worst offenders I found failed to mention how the study is in Phase II. It's less that the "study was cut short" so much as.... this is normal for many Phase II drug trials. It's a tweaking stage, not a finishing stage. When detrimental side effects are discovered, sometimes the trial can be cut short.

Personally, I liked an article from nymag that actually mentioned more serious side effects, such as one man who couldn't regain his sperm function. I noticed other articles failed to give the whole picture.

TLDR: More critical thinking, less assuming, we'd all be better off.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (56 children) | Copy Link

My view is, this is evidence that feminism, or women's rights are a female superiority movement. Talking down to someone, calling them a wimp, regardless of the situation, is an attempt to gain power over them. Your weak, I'm strong.

i think this is an odd reaction to have; there's just some amusement from one group of people that the negative effects they've been dealing with for a really long time appeared to be something that caused a group of people newly experiencing them to throw their hands up in defeat. i don't doubt that men would scoff at women who complained if the reverse happened. i also laugh, lightheartedly, to myself when teenagers act like having to spend a few hours running a cash register before heading home is the end of the world. it's not serious, it's not a conspiracy, it's not even 'feminist', it's just a thing people do.

ultimately, the problem is really that the more serious consequences of the trial weren't properly reported in articles. the article in the OP even notes that women weren't laughing at that.

edit: admittedly, some of the articles, titles, and comments others have shared in this thread are pretty mean-spirited and unnecessarily cruel about this. as others have also noted, most of what i've read is "oh, some of the men had mild discomfort from birth control? join the club, suck it up." kind of thing, not outright trashing them. i don't think anyone needs to be mean about it, but i can understand some amusement over the milder noted side effects from women who have toughed out those same things.

[–]CarkudoThe original opinionated omega23 points24 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

it's not serious

A powerful social rights movement that claims to fight against toxic gender roles, mocking and attacking a group of men for failing to conform to traditional male gender roles is not serious.

Okay.

it's not even 'feminist'

An opinion consistently expressed by a large number of influential voices who identify as feminist, through media outlets that identify as feminist or pro-feminist, is not feminist.

Okay.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No True Scotsman really is feminism's best friend.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

A powerful social rights movement that claims to fight against toxic gender roles, mocking and attacking a group of men for failing to conform to traditional male gender roles is not serious.

yeah, you're choosing to interpret it that way. i don't think that's what it was at all.

it's not even 'feminist' An opinion consistently expressed by a large number of influential voices who identify as feminist, through media outlets that identify as feminist or pro-feminist, is not feminist.

this was a relatively recent thing that happened, so if it's consistent, it hasn't been over a very long period of time. OP's trying to make it out to be some commandment of feminism, when it was probably just on those sites because they happened to center around women's issues, and birth control side affects have been a part of the lives of women for a long time. i'm not denying overlap or relation; i'm just saying it's not some Feminist Crusade TM. get a grip on your dramatics already.

[–]TheSonofLibertyUndecided10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i'm just saying it's not some Feminist Crusade TM.

no one here was saying it was some institutionalized feminist talking point, but they did point out how interesting it was to see so many feminist writers just happen to have the same sentiment to broadcast the "male weakness" talking point.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

yeah, you're choosing to interpret it that way.

Just like fems and their media lapdogs choose to interpret guys whistling on the sidewalk as rape, evidence of false sexual assault allegations as more of an inconvenience to women than unjustly persecuted men, and so on.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

nah.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A well-argued point.

Discourse, thy name is femmit... err, reddit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i mean, you're being ridiculous and extreme just for the sake of it. i'm not interested. maybe someone else will be.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Weird how everything in life seems to come down to what women are interested in.

Guys women aren't attracted to: kill 'em.

Career fields women don't go for: tear 'em down so they won't be dominated by men!

Men getting murdered every day: they're not attractive white women, so we certainly aren't going to talk about them on the news! Unless they're killed by cops, of course.

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Many societies are gynocentric and treat women better than they treat men. Of course, this runs counter to the feminist narrative of universal oppression and patriarchy theory, so it isn't often acknowledged, even though there is plenty of evidence to support it.

Just take the US as an example. Here men face 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime and are more likely to be convicted in the first place. This is a REALLY STAGGERING provable statistic with over a dozen peer-reviewed studies supporting it, yet it is almost never discussed, least of all by the feminist movement.

Then, as a comparison, we have incredibly minor women's issues getting national press on a daily or weekly basis. Wage gap, sexism in STEM, fucking tampon tax for god's sake, all of these are trumpeted by feminists as examples of horrendous oppression.

And I'm just sitting here like: I thought you guys were supposed to be about equality? Why are you ignoring boys dropping out of female-dominated schools, absolutely terrifying legal discrimination against men and all the other quite pressing issues that we currently face? Why does the incredibly minor issue of tampons having sales tax get infinitely more press and attention than a SENTENCING GAP EVEN LARGER THAN THE ONE BETWEEN WHITES AND BLACKS? These are all rhetorical questions because the truth of the matter is that the majority of feminists don't care about men's issues or even actively hate men.

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I would love to see an American/Jezebel-style feminist lecture a victim of female genital mutilation in the Third World somewhere about how she "feels your PAIN, sista!" because of being whistled at by construction workers on the street.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They took a serious and sad step backwards in reproductive rights and somehow turned it into a "what about the womenz" sort of thing.

It was a pretty condescending message that completely sidestepped the most important points.

Edit: Also, the article was pretty dishonest about the severity of the side-effects in comparison to female birth control. They were several magnitudes more severe for this drug than known rates for female birth control

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They took a serious and sad step backwards in reproductive rights and somehow turned it into a "what about the womenz" sort of thing.

i don't see how this affects reproductive rights at all, and while i haven't gone seeking out comments from women to stew in rage over (as it seems some TRPers have)... it doesn't seem to me that the message is crying out "what about the womenz", they're not calling to arms about it, just having a little laugh over what appeared to be a group of people having an extreme reaction to bad side effects that they've been dealing with for years.

people also laugh at, say, really wealthy people when they go all out complaining about something minor that the rest of the world deals with all the time; it's really not as serious as the OP is making it out to be. the reporters are probably most to blame for bad reporting (though ideally, everyone would read studies instead of articles alone, but that's just not the world we live in).

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure they were. The study was halted by the researchers, not the men participating because it was posing a serious health risk. The rates of severe side effects in female birth control are much, much lower. If you ever read any of this shit you would know the results were very unacceptable and not a laughing matter. Politicizing it into a men vs women thing is a shitty thing to do.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure they were. The study was halted by the researchers, not the men participating because it was posing a serious health risk.

i really haven't seen women applauding the end of the study, or the lack of birth control options for men, nor does that seem to be what the OP is about. yes, i see how this part affects reproductive rights, but that's not what i was talking about and is probably a subject best left to its own thread.

If you ever read any of this shit you would know the results were very unacceptable

don't be rude. if you want to talk about the more serious side affects and the actual results of the study, plus the effects it has on reproductive rights (rather than what's in the OP), make your own thread instead of being shitty about it.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm saying that particular woman was very dishonest over the results of the study and the frequency of the side effects. She greatly trivialized them by equivocating the two.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it stems more from women having a knee jerk, scoff type reaction. "Oh you experienced hormonal side effects did you? Welcome to my life."

Unfair and inaccurate, knee jerky and angry.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

there's just some amusement from one group of people that the negative effects they've been dealing with for a really long time appeared to be something that caused a group of people newly experiencing them to throw their hands up in defeat.

"They were mean to us FIRST!" Got it.

ultimately, the problem is really that the more serious consequences of the trial weren't properly reported in articles.

Because of systemic and sexist media bias. Thanks for reinforcing OP's point.

most of what i've read is "oh, some of the men had mild discomfort from birth control? join the club, suck it up." kind of thing, not outright trashing them.

Try going into the XX Chromosome sub and dishing out that attitude. See where it gets you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"They were mean to us FIRST!" Got it.

i didn't say anyone was mean to women first; in this case, it just so happened that the side effects that the articles highlighted were things that women had already experienced for a long time. that has to do with birth control and how it affects bodies, not 'someone being mean first.'

Because of systemic and sexist media bias. Thanks for reinforcing OP's point.

yeah, a lot of media is biased. i don't disagree with that, and outright agreed with the OP's position about it. i hope you don't actually believe that media is only sexist against men though.

Try going into the XX Chromosome sub and dishing out that attitude. See where it gets you.

i don't participate in that sub; why would i go there? if you want to make a point, do it yourself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't participate in that sub

I guess even white knights eventually get tired of having (what passes for) their balls handed to them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i'm a woman, i just don't hang out in that subreddit. i've been once or twice, it didn't interest me. it's amazing that my comments are generating outrage for just discussing this when you have someone below literally saying "cry more". guess that's what i get for actually engaging and responding.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the side effects the articles highlighted

This is why we educate ourselves about an issue independently before we start engaging in a lot of childish, "Aww, POOR MEN!" misandrist babble.

[–]the_calibre_cat10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

i think this is an odd reaction to have; there's just some amusement from one group of people that the negative effects they've been dealing with for a really long time appeared to be something that caused a group of people newly experiencing them to throw their hands up in defeat.

"lol guys were just joking"

no hypocrisy here, nope, move along

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

people also laugh at, say, really wealthy people when they go all out complaining about something minor that the rest of the world deals with all the time; it's really not as serious as the OP is making it out to be.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just stop the spin already. You are all over this thread trying to be feminism's PR person. Your arguments that "it's just a joke" "they are just letting off steam" etc are horrendously hypocritical.

You know damn well that if a bunch of male authors and publications had as a group been so mocking and belittling of women then feminists would scream bloody murder. Take a look in the mirror before you make your next post in this thread.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just stop the spin already. You are all over this thread trying to be feminism's PR person. Your arguments that "it's just a joke" "they are just letting off steam" etc are horrendously hypocritical.

i'm not, and i don't claim to be a feminist anyway. i have no particular reason to defend feminists, so this was a stupid accusation. i'm not celebrating what they did, i'm just not going along with OP's attempt to paint this as a grave injustice when it's really not.

You know damn well that if a bunch of male authors and publications had as a group been so mocking and belittling of women then feminists would scream bloody murder. Take a look in the mirror before you make your next post in this thread.

do you think there are no articles that mock or belittle women? you read pretty selectively if so. you also don't get to decide what or how i post, FYI :) .

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Op posted this as an example of the true nature of feminism. It does the job. You seem to have a problem with that. Why the raging urge to whitewash all of feminism's misdeeds?

[–]the_calibre_cat9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't disagree, I just find it awfully damn convenient that feminists are literally known for blowing clear non-problems ("people are mean on the internet!" "men like attractive, sexy women!") into ridiculous social dialogues. There isn't a male movement that shames women for using birth control, there's a (dying, increasingly less influential) religious movement that does, but not a male movement.

I mean, there's just so much here that's utterly delicious, two-faced hypocrisy on the part of the social media left. Very few guys will come out and say anything on their Facebooks and shit, either, because that shit looks weak and women can get away with shit-talking - men cannot (see: Donald Trump).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well yeah, i don't disagree there. there are some arguably feminist sites i used to visit and stopped visiting because they are posting too much nonsense, non-problems. from what i've read, at least, it wasn't the use of the birth control that they were being 'shamed' for though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's a red herring.

Were not talking about things not related to gender issues and humor.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

this is directly related, as we're talking about something women (in this instance) were amused by. humor.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Death of men is funny....

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

that the negative effects they've been dealing with for a really long time appeared to be something that caused a group of people newly experiencing them to throw their hands up in defeat

You didn't read my post before commenting.

EDIT:

there's just some amusement from one group of people

Then women should be no issue with men getting amusement of commenting on a women's weight.

75% of the men wanted to continue the trial and the plug was pulled by the trial administrators.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

i read. i'm talking about the reactions of the women, since that's the focus of your OP.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Again, that reaction is based off of deliberately lying about what actually happened and twisting the story to make men sound weak.

If that's what normal people do women should have absolutely no issue of men making rape or sexual assault jokes. But these are labeled as rape culture.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Again, that reaction is based off of deliberately lying about what actually happened and twisting the story to make men sound weak.

yeah, i agree, it was crappy reporting, like i said. clickbait and misinformation is everywhere though; it's not exclusive to sites that center around feminism or women's issues.

If that's what normal people do women should have absolutely no issue of men making rape or sexual assault jokes. But these are labeled as rape culture.

yeah, that's not at all the same. i don't know why you would ever think those two are on the same level. neither is this:

Then women should be no issue with men getting amusement of commenting on a women's weight.

even though it's been explained pretty clearly, i don't think you understand what the women were actually amused by.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The women were amused by something FALSE. Men didn't elect to stop the study. Clearly you haven't understood this or you wouldn't be reverberating the same thing.

Why are sexual assault jokes and jokes about suffering from birth control not on the same level? That's a subjective solipsism on your part.

If making fun of men's issues is amusement, making fun of women's issues should be no different.

Your actually supporting my view because your saying women's issues are superior to men's.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The women were amused by something FALSE. Men didn't elect to stop the study. Clearly you haven't understood this or you wouldn't be reverberating the same thing.

let me say it again: i'm not talking about the accuracy of what the women were reacting to, or the accuracy of the reporting, nor am i arguing that the study was probably misrepresented by reporters. i bet it was, i bet there was clickbait floating around too. we agree on that.

i'm talking about their actual reactions to what they read and believed and the reasons behind that reaction, nothing more.

If making fun of men's issues is amusement, making fun of women's issues should be no different. Your actually supporting my view because your saying women's issues are superior to men's.

no, i'm not. comparing women being amused at complaints from men about side effects from birth control (the non-serious ones that it looks like most reported on) to laughing at women being raped and assaulted is like comparing laughing at someone stubbing their toe to laughing at their gruesome death. i don't know why you've made such a bizarre and extreme leap, but those two things are not the same.

these women aren't laughing at "men's issues", they're just laughing at the idea of someone complaining about discomfort they've had to deal with for years. you can see parallel kinds of jokes that having nothing to do with birth control or "men vs. women" all over the place; i've even noted several examples in this thread. i mean, hell, there have been whole reality TV shows founded on that kind of thing (primarily laughing at women, like the kardashians or paris and nicole).

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men have been commenting on women's weight for all of human history... fat chicks are one of comedy's most reliable punchlines. It's only really recently that people have started to take issue with fat people being openly mocked.

and for a clinical trial 75% is low. If one in four patients can't tolerate your drug or wouldn't be willing to continue with it it's probably not going to make back what it cost in R&D and marketing. It would have to be a lifesaving necessity to make money if it's causing that many people side effects... and in this case it's a completely optional drug. Plus, there were some serious safety issues with it... at that point there's very little chance of it making it through the FDA.

Women report a lot of circumstantial side effect from taking birth control but in clinical trials the rates are much lower. The fact that a tiny percentage of women who are 35+ year old smokers experienced blood clots while taking one variety of HBC was almost enough to get it pulled entirely after being approved.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't leave out that it was the severity of the side effects, which where higher than that of what women face. You can read the actual results and outcome here:

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/pdf/10.1210/jc.2016-2141

Women report a lot of circumstantial side effect from taking birth control but in clinical trials the rates are much lower.

More so when women first got their bc things where much different. There was less concern about the side effects and more of a push to get it to market. Fast forward today and much has changed.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, was just going to bring that up about drugs like yaz. Most AEs aren't even discovered until the post-marketing period.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

2 dead, 1 attempted suicide, 1 hospitalized, 1 sterile, 7 aren't back to normal sperm count after a year. With a sample size of only 320! Oh yeah that sure is something to find amusing!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

oh, try harder. even the OP mentioned that the most serious side effects weren't really reported on in articles (which doesn't surprise me). i don't think this is what most women read about or were 'laughing' about.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Try harder?? To what present facts and not lie for "joaks"? A quick google and i found out for myself because i know a man-hate piece when i read one..

TIL: it is OK for the media to misrepresent info so long as it makes women laugh at men and puts men down.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Try harder?? To what present facts and not lie for "joaks"? A quick google and i found out for myself because i know a man-hate piece when i read one..

try harder to actually contribute to the discussion, instead of trying to make it seem like women were laughing at all the worst side effects of the trial.

TIL: it is OK for the media to misrepresent info so long as it makes women laugh at men and puts men down.

oh man. i wonder how many times i will have to say that i agree it was crappy reporting and that people should be bothered by that before everyone fucking gets it.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You can agree it is crappy reporting all you like but as long as you think it is ok to find "amusement" in false reporting that further makes a mockery of men, it kinda takes the shine off it.

I'm not trying to make it seem like women are laughing at it.. they are! And the femme media is misrepresenting data and calling it fact... all for "joaks"?? Really? It is just for a laugh they are calling men weak, sooks, etc? Get real! This is what institutionalized sexism actually looks like..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

so based on your replies to me, that's a 'no' on trying to have an actual discussion then. cool cool.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Bring some honesty to the thread and then you might have a better chance of having an actual discussion. At the very least admit that it's sexism against men by feminists and feminist publications. If you can't even do that then don't complain about getting called out.

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus christ, getting a feminist to be intellectually honest is pike pulling teeth.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bring some honesty to the thread and then you might have a better chance of having an actual discussion.

i've been honest; i don't know what dishonesty you're talking about. you don't just get to shout "dishonesty!" because someone says something you don't like. that doesn't make any sense.

i don't know why you can't have a conversation without being so hostile and personally attacking people, but i'm done with it, and blocking you. get a grip, for everyone else's sake.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are all over this thread trying to cover up the fact that feminism just got caught being sexist hypocrites. Trying to pass it off as "just a prank bro"

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you agree that the femme publications lied and basically made a mockery of men and that women liked it? And do you also agree that is blantant sexism?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would the media report the actual facts when they are after an agenda? I mean heck feminists where all over this bashing men because they couldn't take it. Doing the VERY thing they so often claim they are against, which is reinforcing male gender roles.

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[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't CYV

[–]RPSigmaStigmaRecovering romantic6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

By this point anyone that has not realized that modern western feminism is female supremacist has been living under a rock.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the campaign to throw 40 yr of 2nd wave "womens lib" down the memory hole has been pretty successful

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, 3rd wave is easy to spot. 2nd wave is more or less the "gray" area of fuckery.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They could also be lying or in massive denial.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't think they are a female supremacist movement, but they want women more equal than men.

[–]CarkudoThe original opinionated omega5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I condone your view, OP.

Hell, I confirm your view.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean it is exactly that. I can't even pretend for the sake of argument. The best anyone could do is a "no true" or "not all" feminists argument.

They reacted to this news the way oil lobbyists would react to a major recall on electric cars. It's obvious we aren't all in this together and feminists see men losing (even when it doesn't benefit women) as a victory for women.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to lie. When I heard that it was cancelled due to side effects women experience regularly, I let out a light dismayed chuckle.

Only because I'm around too many manoapherians who claim men are Uber tough etc.

That said some of the articles were too giddy in their "gotcha sucker!" headlines.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a nice catch 22. Men need to be more open about their pain with their doctors. Suffering in silence is toxic masculinity and harms men.

Oh these men accurately relayed their symptoms to the doctors running the study? Lol. Man up pussies!!!

And these are the same feminists in both cases.

Shed your toxic masculinity, oh you did? Lol male tears. Stop being a little bitch.

You can understand why men see this and come to the conclusion that no matter what they do women and feminists in particular will say they're wrong.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, I agree.

I think the emotional "LOL" response is the same response from TRPers when women complain about being rejected or when some women compare themselves to male incels.

It's sort of, "Seriously, we deal with this every day. Get over it."

[–]impossibleworlds 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I personally do think feminism is (and probably should be) a female advocacy movement, so I can't challenge OP's view there.

Personally I am not happy to hear that this trial failed at all, as I think it would be great for men to start sharing more of the contraceptive burden. It'll probably never happen though.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Sharing the contraceptive burden" would be an example of equality. I do X, you do X.

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, paying for everything involving the pregnancy isn't quite equal enough, I guess. Can you imagine where this is headed? A man with a uterus gets pregnant by a woman through IVF, can't legally abort, AND she gets the kid with the child support.

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that your mansplaining didn't get deleted on this medium is evidence that the patriarchy still exists and us Feminists still have a lot of work to do! Talk to me when they are able to put a uterus into a male fetus, then we'll have equality.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Birth control affects men and women and better access to it will drastically reduce unwanted pregnancy AND the need for abortion. This should be a major issue for feminism but of course, its not. These people are truly warped.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Movember is a month-long holiday just for men, during which women are made the joke for their inability to grow facial hair or participate just because of how their bodies are made. no doubt, any woman who could participate would be horribly shamed and ridiculed too.

obviously, it's just a cover for men trying to assert superiority and keep the woman down. the world we live in.

[–]disposable_pants3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Movember is a month-long holiday just for men, during which women are made the joke for their inability to grow facial hair or participate just because of how their bodies are made.

Nothing in that sentence remotely resembles reality.

  • Movember is about as much of a "holiday" as "national pizza day" -- no one gets off of work, the President doesn't give a speech, etc. There's little to no significant media presence around it, and it's only existed in most of the world for about a decade. Contrast this with Breast Cancer Awareness Month, which dates back to 1985 and has steadily built up into pink everywhere and constant ads showing how supportive everyone is of women.
  • I've never, ever, not once, seen women ridiculed during Movember for "their inability to grow facial hair" or any other reason. If you have any evidence whatsoever for this absurd claim, feel free to link to it.

You're on a different planet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing in that sentence remotely resembles reality.

it was under automod for a reason. anyone can make a big deal out of something if they're really dedicated. another example: the women protesting comments about yoga pants from some journalist.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But some issues clearly have more substance to them than others.

Complaining about Movember, for example, has zero substance as none of your claims were remotely true. If I remember the yoga pants thing correctly, it was also largely devoid of substance as it was one journalist and the comment was quickly and widely condemned as inappropriate. The male birth control situation, on the other hand, has been roundly mocked by all manner of media, even to the point where writers are blatantly (and unprofessionally, and unethically...) misrepresenting the facts of the study to score a cheap laugh. They aren't comparable.

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This comparison totally makes sense. Wait, no it doesn't.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Cry more.

This is just an emotional reaction to another emotional reaction.

Imagine if a group of women were testing out a new drug that happened to make their genitalia much more sensitive to injury. And then some of the women dropped out of the study due to the side effects. I wouldn't be triggered or offended if men made jokes about how women couldn't handle having testicles or getting kicked in them.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cry more. No one would give a fuck if feminists were just mean. Instead they're hypocritical and mean and that's why people are mad.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But you know damn well that feminists would be triggered. They would be trying to get those men fired...likely succeeding.

Feminists want a monopoly on crying. "we are the victims here dammit"

[–]TW_CountryMusicbluepill redneck-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean like men who are all "Oh boohoo , periods and childbirth. Try getting kicked in the balls! Then you'll know REAL pain, ladies!"

Oh wait, that never happens 🙄

[–]anitapkcsarlbmed ggse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd actually say that it's an indication of their feeling of inferiority rather than superiority lol

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

feminists hate men /thread

[–]TW_CountryMusicbluepill redneck0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Do you guys think maybe these articles keep being written because people keep reading them and then sharing them in anger?

Do y'all understand how clickbait works?

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah sure, if you ignore the literally thousands of feminists gleefully sharing these articles on facebook and blogs, squealing derisively about how men are weak and can't handle birth control side effects that women have endured for years. And all those feminist sites with millions of daily viewers running misleading hit pieces that snidely insinuate that men are weak and pathetic.

[–]TW_CountryMusicbluepill redneck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah sure, if you ignore the literally thousands of feminists gleefully sharing these articles on facebook and blogs, squealing derisively about how men are weak and can't handle birth control side effects that women have endured for years.

I guess I'm not friends with shitheads on Facebook, because most of the people I've seen share it were critical of the article.

And all those feminist sites with millions of daily viewers running misleading hit pieces that snidely insinuate that men are weak and pathetic.

I already addressed this. They're writing those articles because people are reading and sharing them. Your hate-reads and hate-shares are encouraging them to write more articles. That's how clickbait works. They want to piss people off.

[–]pitaenigmaBeta Male Seeks Cock Carouseler-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This has gotten a ton of mileage in every single sub relating to gender issues. I'm actually glad it's opened a discussion because a lot of men aren't aware of the degree that female BC can have side effects.

I mean, these articles are reprehensible, but I'm glad that the subject is being broached. It's bringing up communication about gender issues that don't normally get much mileage.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This!

I was talking to my male friends who were against the male BC because of the side effects and it dawned on me they didn't realize female BC has similar side effects.

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except the side effects of this new injection are significantly more severe than the equivalents from women's hormonal BC.

[–]pitaenigmaBeta Male Seeks Cock Carouseler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody wants to hear about periods, so it's not discussed. It isn't part of public knowledge - I only found out about the extent of the side effects because I asked my girlfriend why she wouldn't take birth control and got an answer.

[–]lbspredh1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

well I see two interpretations here if we want to be cunty about it.

One is that men were too weak to deal with the side effects of birth control

The other is that women were to stupid to stop dealing with them.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol at the second !

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My view is, this is evidence that feminism, or women's rights are a female superiority movement.

check this out at 6:02 -> Dr Coutinho, the feminists and the male contraceptive pill

[–]midnightvulpine0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's less, imo, a matter of superiority than it is women who have dealt with the side effects of a BC for however long they've used it responding childishly to a partial reading of whatever information they were handed. Because men are supposed to be tougher, aren't they? Or so it goes with the lingering sexism in society. It's not great, but one shouldn't read too much into it in general. That's not to say the notion doesn't exist. But ascribing it broadly is a mistake that furthers the us vs them that keeps the status quo in place.

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because men are supposed to be tougher, aren't they?

That's the point, there are differences, and they were accounted for once. Now, they're being used as leverage. Men are tougher by a number of measures. They can carry more mass, they're bigger so they can absorb more physical trauma, and the best of them can handle a lifetime of emotional bullshit thrown at them. It's this notion that we can reasonably advantage women, while shaming men, while disadvantaging men and in some cases disenfranchising certain types of men that exists now, and we can fall back on this nicely mutilated definition of equality that rivals Frankenstein's monster.

[–]midnightvulpine2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's sexism that men suffer from. An illustration of how it effects both genders, not just one. The past social traditions linger, treating genders as a whole rather than treating people as individuals.

Pointing out men are stronger on average ignores that many men are not. Thus holding them all to the same standard of an entire gender is unfair. The same with women who are stronger than your average woman.

It's a reason I say gender roles should be done away with as a cultural pressure on men and women. Expecting all men should be a certain way and all women should be a certain way is unfair to both and ignores individual desires to be ones own person, apart from the rote of gender roles.

Now, before anyone takes that and runs with it, this doesn't mean I think people who want to be traditional shouldn't be. I mean there shouldn't be pressure to conform through expectations and shaming hose who choose something else. I don't want to change what people want to be, I want people to have the freedom to be who they want to be.

And I do know that is unrealistic now. But I hold out hope that time will open that door and slowly we'll walk through it and become more accepting and understanding.

[–]InformalCriticismProbably Red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

there shouldn't be pressure to conform through expectations and shaming hose who choose something else

I was born mid 80s. Maybe there was a time where that happened, but I sure as hell didn't see it.

I have some hope left on special days. But, I can tell you facts are hopeless lenses. The facts tell us this will not and cannot be good. Not now, and not anytime soon.

[–]midnightvulpine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That freedom from pressure to conform is bad? Just making sure of exactly what you're saying because I would certainly disagree with that.

[–]anitapkcsarlbmed ggse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pointing out men are stronger on average ignores that many men are not.

Then they should life brah

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[–]dakruNeither[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a CMV post, and so top-level replies should challenge OP's view.

[–]LadyoftheDam🤷🏻‍♀️0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it mostly shows that journalism, especially medical journalism, is a complete joke, and feminism(at least millennial, sarcastic feminism)is a market to be tapped. I don't believe that people sharing this story don't think men's suffering is important. I think they're taking shoddy journalism at face value and reacting accordingly. Feminists surely can be annoying, but I think it's mostly because "journalism" reinforces their world view in such easily digestible clicks. It's really unfortunate. Most ideologies/philosophies are just as good as their dumbest subscriber. I even saw intelligent, professional people in health care sharing this garbage. We're doomed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are women making fun of men for a dire situation?

To me, it looks like normal click-bait journalism. There is fierce competition in media for eyeballs & clicks. If a fact is controversial, more dramatic, then it's more interesting. So find someone to make a dramatic claim against it.

Yeah, it's harsh. But news often is. Women are harshed-on for other things.

Some of the women said harsh inconsiderate things. It might be hard to see, but it's partly about frustration & underappreciation for what they go thru. And yes, men talking about women's birth control that way might get blasted. But they still get away with revenge porn.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not so much female superiority as female schadenfreude.

[–]DarkLord0chinChin2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

or, simply, hatred.

The women who become feminists are the post-wall single hags who no man wants to make a wife because of how intense their Thousand Cock Stare is

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Don't forget the 30 cats.

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[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse-1 points0 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

This is not a feminist problem. This is an asshole problem. People who laughed at the male BC trial are assholes and misandrists.

[–]iponi 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy Link

TIL the entire media is misandrist. You filthy MRA!!

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kek

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay...

So where is the feminist outrage?

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok Im a feminist and I just heard about this fyi.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

So the main stream media are assholes and misandrists? Funny, they also align themselves as feminist.. ergo feminists are misandrist assholes??

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

NAFALT

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So where is the feminist out cry over this sexism??

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is none and its not like feminists are going to call this out either, they freaking encouraging it.

[–]TW_CountryMusicbluepill redneck0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Almost every person I've seen share these articles on Facebook and Twitter, many of them women, have pointed out the obvious flaws and bias. The only place I've seen them shared in earnest are dumb subs like TrollX.

Ironically, the people sharing them because they have a problem with it are feeding into the problem by giving these sites more clicks and engagement, which is why these articles continue to be written.

It's just like that dumbass "meninist" troll a couple weeks ago who said something like "Women don't need tampons, they need to control their bladders" and everybody lost their shit and wrote a million articles and shared them all over the place. It would have been a complete non-issue if people had just read it, thought to themselves "Well that's stupid," and moved on with their lives. But both sides like their outrage porn too much, it seems.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You should then have look at TrollX then, as they where bashing the hell out of men on it and that is by and large a feminist sub. The irony and hypocrisy, its too much.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

she already mentioned TrollX in her comment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh come on like feminists think one can be sexist towards men. And playing the NAFALT isn't going to help you here.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

And yet feminists where literally laughing at and bashing men over this.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

No, stupid hoes i.e. female miscers were laughing at this. There are tons of websites that are like the womens version of the misc and 4chan. The misc doesnt represent all males.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

So your telling me TrollX is filled with stupid hoes? They had several threads on this with loads of comments bashing men on this. Last I check TrollX was a feminist sub. I was even able to find a feminist bashing men on this, but I wager they are a stupid hoe as well right?

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

it's called TROLL x for a reason. you don't expect to find well reasoned debate on 4chan do you lol?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Who said anything about debate there? I was literally talking about the comments being made in that sub. Equating it with 4chan is pretty funny.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Pages like that are literally the femisc though. I dont go around saying the misc is sexist or whatever.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

femisc? But I take it then you have no problems with it then? Despite feminists themselves are doing this? The very thing they so often claim to be sighting against?

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As an ex /b/tard from the early 2000s I do not have a problem with the misc... and came to feminism around the same time through books like The Feminine Mystique, The Second Sex and the works of bell hooks.

i did not come to feminism through tumblr or social media - and do not participate in social media selfie culture. i came to tumblr relatively late - a few years ago through my friends who use tumblr and have recently gotten convert's zeal to feminism and radical thought.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you not think misc goes against feminism? As to me I would think they would as such you find it problematic. But why switch teams?

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But those aren't reeeeeeaaaaaaaalllll feminists, those are misandrists!

[–]IFuckedZoeQuinn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, there sure are a lot lot lot of misandrist feminists then. Maybe the other feminists should do something about them before things get completely out of hand eh?

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe the other feminists should do something about them

When did these hoes say they were feminist lolol? they dont know the first thing about feminists just like 4chan doesn't know anything about actual mens rights.

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