Why is it "just how it is, deal with it" when men have standards that cut out the vast majority of women, but a major social injustice when women have standards that cut out the vast majority of men?

rathyAro · 2016-10-06T23:30:31+00:00

You're just spending too much time on reddit. Some people like to pretend looks don't matter and others are more realistic. What you're describing sounds like some delusional incel shit.

RPSigmaStigma · 2016-10-06T22:09:22+00:00

TRP noobs, incels, "blackpill", etc whine about women's standards. Guys who have been implementing TRP for a while usually don't. Sometimes you'll see posts lamenting women's hypocrisy though. I've seen screenshots of girls on tinder talking about how they only date tall men, and when the guy even hints that he doesn't like fat women she flips out. Wish I could find that post again, it was pretty hilarious.

Invalidity · 2016-10-06T22:09:58+00:00

Few people would consider a woman's preferences to be an injustice. The problem is not that women have standards, it is that most men are not aware of what is entailed in a woman's standards.

Even at 40 though, a woman who isn't fat is still likely to have many more suitors than the average man. But many women complain that there aren't any good men out there, because they are comparing their current suitors to the men they had when they were younger.

You're pointing out that a lot of men want women much younger than themselves, but you are missing some critical points: (1) most women want older men, (2) most older men were snubbed when they were younger by the same women who want them when they are older, and (3) women are less likely to be as attractive as they were when they were under 25.

The point, "just deal with it", is reiterated because that is simply the reality of it. If a man at 50 can get women that are under 25, why shouldn't he? If there were no women under 25 that he could get, he'd probably be pursuing women closer to his age, but clearly there are women that desire his 50 year old self. If a woman at 40 can't get men older than herself, is that really the fault of men? I know of handfuls of women at 40+ who have men because they were married to their husbands for decades or longer (happily or not). If there are 40 year old women who are still single and unhappy about their relationship prospects, wouldn't that simply be a consequence of being too selective of their partners?

ForeskinLamp · 2016-10-06T23:43:00+00:00

It's not the fact that women have standards, it's the fact that men are often lied to about what those standards are. You can't play the game if you don't know the rules.

prodigy2throw · 2016-10-07T00:34:31+00:00

Ironically enough, your post is focussed on the men who are the top 20%. 80% of men are nowhere near as picky as you think. They just don't exist to women.

LUClEN · 2016-10-07T02:32:56+00:00

I've really only ever seen the opposite trend. From articles about how hard it is to be a colored woman on tinder to articles about fat women being bothered by their weight and how it affects their romantic prospects.

Outside of the (i assume mostly ignored) manosphere where do you see anyone posting anything like that?

trail22 · 2016-10-07T00:06:28+00:00

As far as age I thinks it's more fair to men then women.

It all balances out in the end because women have an sdvantage when they are you but men gain one when they are older. I personally would love to trade places and have the advantage when they are young.

And honestly men mostly bitch about things out of their control like height and ethnicity. There are way more women saying they should not be treated worse because of their unheLthy bodies then men.

Entropy-7 · 2016-10-07T02:36:46+00:00

I think you misinterpret TRP.

It is all "just how it is" and TRP accepts that and tries to guide men through that.

Men should have standards and we accept that women have standards. The trick is to work on yourself for your own sake rather than to pander to pussy. When you are at the top of your game then you will exceed any and all standards that some bitch sets for you, and you can have your pick of the crop.

anitapk · 2016-10-06T22:02:11+00:00

Because they are both responses given by men? Each side gives their own DUH responses and some are more bitter about it. Manosphere is more loud on the Internet so you'll read more about that.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2016-10-06T22:59:58+00:00

Most people aren't actually the ridiculous hypocrites you see throwing tantrums on the internet. It's just that sometimes, it feels good to be allowed to vent, and part of that is being unreasonable, sometimes.

Of course, then the rest of it is learning the best way deal with it all, then moving on, and actually living your life. Most adults do this, eventually. And when the redpill is used as originally intended, this is one of its most important steps.

How much of TRP is using the redpill as intended, is of course, another matter completely.

ifelsedowhile · 2016-10-07T00:14:30+00:00

men have lower standards at least as long as women are reasonably young.

prodigy2throw · 2016-10-06T23:28:52+00:00

Men have standards like "no fat chicks" which can be controlled by women with some work.

Women have standards like "be over 6'. Which cannot be controlled.

winterrider · 2016-10-07T01:26:47+00:00

Good points. Many men and women both have unrealistic standards.

disposable_pants · 2016-10-07T15:35:56+00:00

That's not how the real world works.

In the real world, women regularly make laundry lists of what they want in a partner and are given support and encouragement for knowing what they want and having standards. But when men say they don't want a woman who has an unhealthy amount of body fat he's called an entitled pig.

What you're describing simply isn't remotely common.

the_calibre_cat · 2016-10-06T22:17:44+00:00

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[deleted] · 2016-10-07T00:19:34+00:00

how men only want women under 25

a lot of men would want to marry women their own age. But not anymore because:

1) 80-20 rule. a lot of young men dont get laid when they are younger and starve for sex. When they are older and established, they take their chances. This lust for younger women is brought upon by women on themselves. When women are younger, they fuck alphas and older men.

2) most men get more sexual oppurtunitues or any at all when they are post 30s. Younger women had infinite chances during their 20s, tried it all and are less experimentative. A lot of men who are in their late 20s and 30s are just starting theur sexual journey. They want to be around more experimentive and sexual younger women.

3) older women have kids. Kids are yuck when they are not yours and you are expected to rise them.

4) those women would have rejected these men when they were younger. You usually have less sympathy for people who werent around when you were in trouble.

they'll date anyone as long as she's hot, but the point is, most women aren't hot

to a lot of men, anything that has pussy and breaths is hot enough. If you have doubt on this, look at who your bf checks out when you arent around or not noticing. it usually will be every walking woman :D.

First off, that's in regards to casual sex, and women want relationships, not casual sex

Thats the whole problem right there. Men want sexual relationship. Women fuck alphas and give all sexual attention and pleasure to only alphas during their prime time and expect average men to offer them boring sexless childful responsible relationships to post wall women. Screw women :P. i might have fucked a billion men but you are the one i chose to marry, is never a complement. never ever say it to a man :p. It sounds like i gave all the alphas my preciois youth and pussy. Now you poor ass looser beta pay for me.

In addition, the goal of having lots and lots of casual sex with super hot women is a real pipe dream for the vast majority of people, whereas the goal of simply getting married and living happily ever after with one person was pretty much the standard for centuries.

Fucking hypocracy! AFBB at play! we dont want to have lots and lots of sex with hot women. We just want average or any decent women to like us and love us. but as you heard, most men are forced to he incels or get very less sexual satisfaction at younger ages.

What enraged me is your suggestion about happily married ever after. So what you are saying is women should ride cock carousal in their youth. Young men shouod stay celibate. And then men and women shouod get married. And the man should fuck that only used ridden pussy of hers and shouldn't explore his sexuality?

Anyway, i was just responding to your other statemenrs. But lets get to the real question.

I and many men dont see any problem with women having higher standards. They should. But they should think about the consequences. I usually try to look at the problem from the prespective of everybody involved. So i will give you an answer from bith women and men's prespective.

Women

Seriously what the heck are they thinking. Hypergamy is more dangerous to women than men. Despite all fish and bycycle bullshit, women need relationships and a father to take care of her kids and you know yada yada yada...life. during youth, they go for alphas because they can and betray average men. This will come to bite their ass when they grow older and needs a beta provider. If you lowered your standards and gave beta providers some chance, they would stay in the plantation. But it is not going to happen. Every younger generation of girls are only getting more entitled.

Men

in current sexual market, there is less we can do. We have no say and very less power when we are younger. Have to stay involuntarily celibate and go through hardship. the best we can do is improve ourselves and establish a good carrier. When older, dont marry and explore the world, sexuality, etc. And importantly dont fall for afbb or single moms. Enjoy your life. There is no need to get married. a women can and will take care of herself. You take care if yours.

There is your answer. Women start the standards thing. Men are forced to deal with it. its time men have their own standards.!

daveofmars · 2016-10-07T12:58:10+00:00

Did I step into bizzaro world this morning?

Last I checked, men get shamed for having preferences and it's women who say "that's just how it is".

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the_calibre_cat · 2016-10-06T23:14:29+00:00

Because women are wonderful, shitlord.

Ultramegasaurus · 2016-10-07T07:27:34+00:00

You've gotta be kidding. Rejecting women is literally news-worthy nowadays.

More examples:

https://archive.is/Ch2Hu

https://archive.is/wzSaE

http://archive.is/fSvjy

Women are allowed to shit their sexual entitlement and frustration into news outlets everyday. "Where have all the good men gone" constitutes an entire subgenre of articles.

mcmur · 2016-10-07T07:48:17+00:00

Uh....men don't have standards that cut out the vast majority of women. Period.

darksoldierk · 2016-10-07T08:43:41+00:00

I would argue that it's the other way around these days. And the sexual market supports it. Even fat girls can get boyfriends a lot easier than fat men. Ugly women often get married. Men love women, they love the idea of the perfect woman. And let me tell you, for most guys, the perfect woman isn't a goddess. For most guys, at least those that I've met, the perfect woman is someone who logical and who acts like a human being, not an entitled bitch. Believe it or not, "acting like a human being" is defined very differently by men and women. And yes, of course, they want a woman who isn't fat because the inability to control one's weight indicates one's lack of discipline. If she can't control what she eats, then she likely can't control how much she spends. In most cases, it's discipline that men want.

Men are the ones doing the dance, all women have to do is stand there and not be fat. We have to be wealthy because women want a man who has money and a career. Our hobbies have to be interesting. I used to like stamp collecting, but I dropped it because it wasn't an attractive hobby. I have always loved playing guitar, and that is something that women love, so I focused on that. I don't tell women that I enjoy playing video games every once in a while, or that I enjoy trying to solve mathematical problems in my spare time. Instead, I talk to them about all the places that I've traveled to, the things that I've seen. I don't even like to travel, but I do it because it makes it easier for me to be social. When I was decorating my condo, I wanted to to buy Legolas' (LOTR) knives, and put it on my wall, but then I thought that it would make it harder for me to seem interesting when I brought people over. Yes, I'm a geek, but I have to hide it because for most women, geeks aren't attractive. Men are basically not allowed to be themselves, at least, not if they want to make it easy for themselves to find women.

Also, lets not forget, a woman's demands are biology based, a man's are not. A man cannot control his height, skin color, he can't control how much hair he has on his head. All women are under 25 at a point in their lives. If they choose to waste that time, it's their choice. All women can be hot, all they have to do is not get fat.Honestly, I don't like fit women and I've never thought of being in a serious relationship with a women who wakes up at 4 am to go to the gym. In my eyes, she's very high maintenance. Most men I know only think of very fit women as things to fuck, not people to get to know. What men like are women who are normal. Every man I know says "I can't stand a woman who sits there and orders a salad". Every man I know are annoyed by women who choose going to the gym instead of a social gathering.

For men to be attractive, they have to be, at the very least, toned. For men, getting toned is not easy. We have to hit the gym for years. I'm white, but I honestly like all types of women. Asian, Indian, Irish, English, Australian, African, you give me a nationality, or a skin color and I can tell you what makes them physically beautiful. Wealth is attractive to women, and I wouldn't have had a problem with that. However, the issue occurs when the legal system gives a woman the right to steal my wealth away from me. Divorce laws and separation laws are unfairly tipped towards women to the point where it is now beginning to deprive women of their right to want a wealthy man. Depending on how far we take sexual assault laws, I wouldn't be surprised if our daughters complain about why men of their time turn to prostitutes, porn, and virtual reality to fulfill their need for sex as opposed to women.

ThorLives · 2016-10-07T10:53:14+00:00

Honestly, when I quickly glanced at the title, I thought you were saying the exact opposite: i.e.

"Why is it "just how it is, deal with it" when women have standards that cut out the vast majority of men (which is why people say things like "lift and improve yourself"; i.e. instead of trying to change women, men should change themselves into the people that women want, into the top 20%), but a major social injustice when men have standards that cut out the vast majority of women (which is why the 'fat acceptance' and anti-beauty standards movements exist in feminism; I've even seen women wishing we could return to the days when artists considered plump women beautiful)?"

Honestly, I think someone could've easily posted that on this subreddit, too.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2016-10-07T12:45:48+00:00

why are standards "just biology" when they're men's standards, but a supreme injustice when they're women's standards? It's just as much biology for women to prefer a certain type of man as it is biology for a man to prefer a certain type of woman.

I think it's more a matter of context, since "body acceptance" has been a major theme among women/feminists for several decades. Men were also routinely told that "women don't care about looks" and that their attractions are based more on emotion than biology.

If it's true that women are driven by biology just as much as men, then I wouldn't consider it to be a social injustice. But to routinely lie about it and make it appear that women's motivations are driven by something other than biology could be considered intentionally deceptive.

I think the difference here is that, by and large, men are far more honest and open about it, whereas women tend to be more cagey, secretive, and deceptive about it.

mc0079 · 2016-10-07T12:50:23+00:00

If you get your information from tumblr then expect your results to be skewed, if you go to the bodybuilding forums expect your results to be skewed.

People with this rage of injustice are just going to seek out the extremes to collaborate their world view. And usually only think of selfish solutions that address their specific needs at the expense of everyone else.

I tend to ignore these views and hold pity for those who have them. They tend not to be able to interact well with the outside world and thus get a very warped sense of reality based on reddit, the internet and extreme examples.

[deleted] · 2016-10-07T16:49:34+00:00

Because Red Pill is first and foremost SEXIST. They believe men are superior to women and all of their "theories" are in support of that one point of faith.

Pretty easy to understand.

Fatpantsmcfee · 2016-10-08T12:42:31+00:00

You just need to have a big penis and wear tight pants... Then wink when you catch them looking at your penis. That's the trick.

[deleted] · 2016-10-11T12:27:41+00:00

I admittedly don't know that much about the male psyche, but when I hear my male friends talking to each other about women they say things like (talking about a really beautiful woman) "She is pretty but she has no tits man"

Once I embarrassed myself by saying "Oh shutup you would die to fuck her if you had the chance" and the guy was very insulted that I would assume he doesn`t have high standards. To be fair these are 20-25 year old guys.

Is this just an act? Are these guys the exception?

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DarkLord0chinChin · 2016-10-06T22:43:19+00:00

No, most young women are actually sexually attractive to most men. Unlike most young men, who are not all tall dark and handsome.

The "problem" you perceive is really just specific to the American society with its hilarious obesity problem. AMERICAN WOMEN ARE FAT. But it's not how it should normally be. Normally, women would not be all fat (and thus all fuckable), while only some of the men would be tall / alpha, etc.

Because fat is what you become, and tall is what you are born.