Field ReportFR: Getting Subway at the mall leads to plate (your posture is fucking important, nonverbal cues, communication, frame, direct game, etc.) and a HUGE red pill moment (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1menergize

Recently, I was walking through the mall. This, in and of itself, is not a momentous occasion. However, I realized something really important. This is a long field report. You've been warned brahs.

I had a super big red pill moment. And it took me back to a flashback of my BP days.

So, a little flashback...

When I used to walk through the mall, I would be there for a purpose, I would be going to a store. I would have my focus on this, and not let it wander. Crowds bothered me and being around people wasn't my thing, at least, not talking to random people. I would see beautiful women walk by, and think, "Gosh, I wish I knew somebody that knew her." Back in the day, cold approaching would have sounded like robbing a bank.

I wouldn't notice the people around me often nor how I was fitting into my surroundings. I came, I did my business, I left.

Then, I found game, pickup, and my life started improving. This was about five or six years ago. Recently I found this sub, and it's helped to fill in experiences and gaps in my life that game could never fill. It's given me tools to maintain, create, and demolish relationships depending on what has to happen. Time has also taught me the importance of nonverbal communication, and as a result, has made me invest a lot of time into learning it and observing it while I'm interacting with people.

I'm not a large guy, but I'm in good shape, semi muscular build and like I said, I've studied a lot of body language things so I know how to hold myself (shoulders back, hips underneath, abs tight, chest up, etc) and practice posture a lot.

I've also noticed that 94% of people in public have HORRIBLE POSTURE. HORRIBLE. Terrible. Like idfk how you even get out of bed in the morning without a headache posture.

This brings me back to the trip to the mall a couple of weeks ago.

I walk to Subway to get a sandwich. I'm standing in line. HB8.5 (call her OD for orange dress from now on) walks and stands in line next to me. I don't flinch, hold my posture and continue looking at the menu. I saw her when I first got in line briefly, I know she's attractive, but I'm not sure how attractive. Either way, I'm fucking hungry, so I'm going to keep looking at the menu and I'll give her a peek when I've decided what I want to eat.

In the midst of deciding, and at this point I'm down to the oven roasted chicken or the sweet onion chicken, which are about two of the only things that are worth eating there anyway (not to say others don't taste good, but at least the chicken is a distant cousin to a fitness diet) I can feel her staring at me.

So I just very nonchalantly turn my head over and stare right at her and we lock eyes for about a half a second before hers jump away wildly. I watch her body language and she starts to shift, plays with her hair, etc. but I, still looking at her up and down, have not shifted. I gaze for 3-4 seconds, just long enough to make it known that's what I'm doing, and turn back to the menu.

This, all, while HOLDING MY POSTURE. Shoulders back, head up, chest out, hips under, abs tight.

I have held myself, my posture, my frame, and my position, as well as sub-communicating that for this moment, right now, where we stand, my space is mine, and if she wants to be in it or even to look at me in it, she'll have to show some submission, and she has, by looking away.

I decide to give it a go with this chick, since there's still three or four people in front of me and I have some time to kill.

"You know, I don't think that you should be allowed to wear that dress."

This was my opener. It wasn't extravagant or ridiculously intricate, but I thought of it fast. That's what matters. I think acting quickly in situations like these is important, or else you start to look more and more timid when you finally do act because it's almost like you were psyching yourself up for it. For others, it'll happen faster with time. It was my in with this girl and it was the first one I thought of, and it doesn't matter if it's weak, strong, etc. Once you're past the opener, it's gone and over. How many times have you heard a girl say, "I thought he was a goof at first, but then..." and her hamster proceeds to give you the reason she wishes was true that she fell for him, but in reality, she just wanted her shit pounded and he seemed like a good option at the time.

So her dress, it's orange, bright, and we're in the PNW Seattle area, Seahawks are our football team, we beat the Broncos for the SB last year for those that have no clue Bleacher Report and the NFL exist, and I'm going to tease her for being a Broncos fan. But, it is a sexy dress, and by pointing it out I risk her thinking that I'm pointing it out because it looks good, hot, etc, which isn't horrible, but don't open with "You're just so sexy in that dress, omg you look so good," you want her to not have any fucking clue what's going to come out of your mouth, but when the words do come, they should seem natural, perfect, and congruent.

So I tell her she shouldn't be wearing the dress. She laughed and looked at me for a second, I turned back to the menu. She said, "and why is that exactly?"

I say, "Why do YOU think?"

She goes, "Because it's too short and I'm showing too much skin?"

And I say, "No, because it's orange, and it's obvious you're a Denver fan to all of us, so we should run you out of this mall for it" but tone here is important, the grin, body language again, I've shifted open towards her just a bit, still leaning back and holding my body's space.

Then she throws me into a fucking head spin with this next comment, and it took me a second to respond just right. I look back at the menu for a moment to take my gaze away, and she hits me.

She goes, "Maybe I should just take it off, then." and I can feel her looking at me.

Well, fuck. I can't let her out-escalate me, so I figure this is about the time I'm going to:

A. Touch a hot woman in a moment in a Subway line to hold my frame and either she'll like it or I'll get into an altercation with some mall cops.


B. Chuckle, laugh, and fuck this up with a hot chick because I mis-calibrated myself and she's escalating verbally faster than I thought she ever would in a Subway line.

The second option would have made me hate myself that evening and since I'm not in that line of business, I take the bait.

I go, "Okay, arms up." She says, "What?"

I said, "If you're going to take it off, then arms up, I'll help." She instantly retracted her statement obviously and started getting embarrassed, rounded out her shoulders a bit, giggled, and smacked me on the arm and said, "haha you're funny."

As soon as she smacked me on my arm, I pulled out my phone and said, "Save your appetite."

She said, "What?" I said, "Save your appetite. You heard me. What's your number? I'm going to call you in two hours, is that long enough to go home and change, and get ready?" and as I said this placed my hand onto the back of her upper arm and made eye contact until she answered.

She goes, "Call me for what?" and I said, "I'm going to take you out to dinner, so save your appetite, go home, and get ready. I need your number." and as I said this, released my hand, turned it palm up while explaining concisely what was going to happen and what I was going to do (LEAD THEM).

Short, concise, I didn't flinch when she said, "Call me for what". Some guys will back track here and say, "Well if you aren't busy, yadda yadda I was wondering if maybe just maybe pls you want to go out wit me plz later?"

Fuck that shit. What do you have to lose? Nothing.

So just tell her, I'm taking you out. You're going to enjoy it. If you don't want that, it doesn't matter, because some other woman will. Abundance guys.

She gives me her number and I go, "I'm calling it to make sure you're not a liar, too" and obviously it's real, she has my number now, cool.

"I'll talk to you in a bit," she's confused. Says, "okay," I say, "Great!" and give her a hug, she turns, walks, looks back and smiles once, and walks out of the food court.

Me, I plowed down on my Subway, so that I wasn't bloated later and tempted to eat too much for after dinner when I was pounding her guts out.

Long story short, we go out to Outback, have dinner, a couple drinks, bounce to my place to "watch S1Ep1 of Entourage because she loves that show" and the DVD rolls through the entire season auto playing while we break a mounting bracket on my sectional couch. And later almost fall off the bed onto one of my Pomeranians.

She left the next morning about 5:30 AM, but as she was leaving and saw my man pipe again, she couldn't resist blowing it one more time. Why? Because that's the type of guy she saw me as, that's the dick she's dreamt about hanging off of all her life. And now she's found it.

And six years ago, I would NEVER have had this experience.

Why do I think this turned out how it did? A bit of game, a bit of posture, I'm in shape, but before all you white knights run in here with that "OH UR PROBABLY SO TALL AND AESTHETIC" male hamstering bullshit. Yes, I dress decently. Yes, I get haircuts. Yes, I shave. No, I am not Brad Pitt. I am 5 foot 7 fucking inches, would be the shortest or fattest or smallest guy in the room just a few years ago.

This shit didn't come naturally to me. I worked for it. I took a ton of chances like this one and fell on my face like a piece of shit and felt embarrassed, ashamed, hurt. Don't. Those feelings are stupid, and weak. Take these chances but let them help you grow. My journey was more painful than some, but it was necessary. Know you are the shit. Know you are something special to this world, and throw your mother fucking shoulders back, dust em off and be that.

She got the idea I didn't really give a fuck from the first moment. That's what matters. Don't be connected. Don't give a fuck. Do you. But know you're doing you. And know you're doing YOU for YOU, not for bitches. Not for your parents or friends or family. FOR YOU. Know you're the shit. Chest is out, shoulders are back, hips are under and abs are tight because you're a bad mother fucker that nobody can phase. Because no matter what happens to you, you will drive towards your goals and ambitions and change yourself and challenge yourself.

Because you walk your path, and see through bullshit, distractions and chode fuckers that want to get in your way and ruin your day.

You think six years ago my BP faggot self would have said any shit to this girl? No. He would not have. But I did on this day. And on this day, I met a girl in an orange dress while I was getting Subway, that most guys would only watch walk down the street and say, "damn" at, and effectively made her realize there are alpha guys in the world that will take her by the hand and bang her brains out, without judging her or making it a high pressure situation for her to live up to.

But, while that's all well and good, that's not the red pill moment. Sure, banged hot chick. Check. Ran good game, check. Kept frame, check. That's not the red pill moment I mentioned at the beginning of this field report.

Want to know the BEST part of the entire fucking story? I didn't even get her mother fucking name until she showed up to dinner.

The initial pickup occurred, without me ever thinking, "Oh I need her name," because it didn't matter, and she didn't bring it up, because she didn't care to. Was it conscious? No. Do I normally get a girl's name? Of course. But my name doesn't attract her, my body and posture and frame did. And hers to me, but this is the first time this has happened to me and it was a wake up call that all this work to swallow that red pill was paying off.

I subconsciously ran my game, with an objective, and didn't sway from it, even to get a name. So every time she dumps a BP-BB, I'll be right there to receive the, "what's going down tonight" text.

All because of a combination of everything I did, but also since the oven roasted chicken sounded so good at the time.


tl;dr Was getting subway at mall, hot chick came up, teased about dress, held frame, told her to get naked in line, she laughed, I ordered her to not eat Subway, got her number, got her name later at dinner, got steaks, banged it out, multiple times, broke sectional, almost killed Pomeranian. Had redpill moment when realized all this started and dinner went down without me getting her name.

[–]1StinkyDiaper 134 points135 points  (18 children)

You think six years ago my BP faggot self would have said any shit to this girl?

Lol, I love this sentence. Part of swallowing the red pill is realizing how big of an effing pussy most of us used to be!

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 22 points23 points  (8 children)

If I could kick the shit out of my younger self with a time machine, I would.

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Amen. Forget killing Hitler. If I had a time machine I'd go whoop my own ass. I'd beat him bloody. That bastard screwed me over so many times...

[–]2wiseclockcounter 11 points12 points  (3 children)

That would be some next level psychological fuckery for your old self. Could you imagine being beaten up by an older, better version of yourself? When/if a guy gets beaten up by some stranger, most men would feel pretty shitty, but also a primal inspiration to get stronger. But getting beaten up by yourself would be straight proof that you can achieve those goals. And on the point many here make about gaining credibility to back up any advice you plant, there would be no greater credibility than your future self disapproving of your imminent behavior.

And in a way, this hypothetical has a real use. If you know at this moment that you can get stronger and learn to fight better, then your future self will be able to beat you. And if you're disappointed with your own actions in this moment, then your future self will be as well. Like in OP's story, he chose option A because he knew he'd be kicking himself in the ass if he wimped out. In other words, one way to view motivation in the moment is to avoid regret. It becomes a lot more difficult when you apply this to long term goals like improving your life. But it's useful to remember that your future self WILL exist, and the wealth of experience and happiness he has is in your control.

[–]1StinkyDiaper 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My past self would probably have thought my future self was a cocky asshole. Of course, this opinion would be due mostly entirely to the fact that my future self gets lots of attention from women, and my past self would be entirely jealous of that and invent reasons to hate future me.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

no you're right that's a definite possibility. The BP hamster is a good runner, but rest assured the seed of doubt will be there. And as many here can attest, that seed will grow into the full sequoia realization that is this sub.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone needs to make a time-travel movie with a causality loop in which a RP man goes back in time to beat the shit out of his BP self, which sends his BP self on a new track to become RP and build a time machine, at which point he goes back in time and...

[–]1menergize[S] 81 points82 points  (8 children)

And it's not a bad thing either, it's a good sign of growth. People shy away from it like, "I wasn't that bad." Yeah you were brah.

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[–]1menergize[S] 104 points105 points  (4 children)

No way brah. And yes, I upvoted your comment.

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahahaha check this it's hilarious. Cartman's amused mastery + frame control though. Never breaks that asshole frame haha.


[–]VanillaVeku 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dat truth man, ignoring the severity of previous mistakes is giving yourself a chance to do them again

[–]InvictusCor 64 points64 points [recovered]

That was a beautifully executed approach. It demonstrates you shouldn't be scared to escalate rapidly if the feedback is positive. Most guys expect a negative or defensive reaction and take things too slowly, they actually get caught out when things go too well. They probably would have hung around and chatted before asking for her number half-an-hour later. Don't sit back if she's up for it, charge ahead.

What I also like is that it shows approaching shouldn't really be that big of a deal for a guy. You just open and test the waters. Like Mark Manson says in Models, let her invest more than you. If the reaction's positive, keep going. If the interaction fizzles out it's all cool and you aren't over analyzing everything about yourself and what you did wrong.

My posture and body language is already pretty decent but it can always be better. Have you got any suggested reading or tips?

[–]1menergize[S] 30 points31 points  (9 children)

A TON of my reading was actually in pickup books, the game, mystery method, stupid ebooks. I just read everything and took what I found to line up with what I learned in psychology in college, and also with nonverbal communication classes I took in college, applied it to my experiences and checked results against what was said, and with time it's easier to weed out what works for YOU and what doesn't.

Some people can't swing their arms up on the back of a booth at a restaurant and splay their legs wide open to take up a bunch of space, because they don't have the build. Me, I'm small, sitting like that makes my shoulders pop and probably looks good. But it's comfy, so I do it, and also communicates, "This is my booth, brah". Makes me bigger than I am really, but also, like I said, makes my arms look good, no homo. Find positions that are both appealing for you and comfortable, is some advice people won't tell you. But there are definitely core things to pay attention to.

Either way. I'd suggest just googling some pickup forums. Some of the blue pill sites actually have good content, like this askmen article, some of it is spot on some isn't. I'll go over a few...

10, 9, both right. 8 says don't let your eyes go from forward, but occasionally you have to remove your gaze, or you're a fucking weirdo, and some guys will take that one too literally, so don't be a fucking weirdo. Don't stare at the food in the subway case while you're talking, but don't stare at her the whole time, either. Be amused with your surroundings, genuinely. Amused mastery.

7 is good, but don't push your chest out, if you more tilt your head up and imagine being on an inversion board and having to stay straight, THAT is what having your shoulders back means. You don't have to pull your rotator cuffs back like you're doing a back fly or a row or something. Stand up straight, imagine someone is pulling you from the crown of your head with strings like a doll, lead your head rest back, neck relax, and shoulders fall backwards. This will naturally bring your arms back slightly, and chest upwards. That's what you want.

6 is true too, but don't walk like DMX out of one of his videos. Wear pants that fit, and take up space when you move, it's your space. Own it.

5 is also true, and always offer your hand open and turn over onto the top when you shake. Match the firmness of the handshake they give. If they're limp, let your hand go fucking limp and stare at them like, "What is that?" As an alpha, don't be afraid to acknowledge, and not thrash, beta behavior, in front of said betas. Not acknowledging it would be the pussy thing to do. If someone tried to shake your hand with their limp dick would you be like, "oh no big deal. that's how YOU do it"? No way. You'd be like, "What is that?" so in occasions where you have to point out behavior or acknowledge it, do so as quietly and subtly as possible and move past it, not letting it dictate any further interactions or judgments, but keep it as a point to remember about the person you are talking to. Not just in handshakes but any alpha/beta behavior in general that you notice.

4 is true, obviously. Shave. Idgaf if girls say they like beards, scientific studies have shown that it rotates. Every so often beards are scarce, and they're popular. Then clean shaven men become scarce, and it switches. It's a social cycle that's been observed. Here's a BBC article that explains it in easy to understand terms but it's basically a supply and demand model, where they become popular, people shave that are of influence, people follow, rinse, repeat. Right now, clean shaven is the way to go. Sharing this depletes the benefit I have over those with the gross nasty untrimmed beards, but it doesn't matter really. Because it changes, all the time.

3 is wrong. In fact, smile some, but don't smile as much as some guys do. Don't laugh at every fucking thing she says. If she says some stupid shit to you, or tells a bad story, or a joke that is no good, look at her, acknowledge what was said and continue looking at her, maybe with a shit eating grin on your face so she knows, that YOU KNOW, she sees the unimpressed nature of your face, and it's no mystery to you, as you're still sitting, waiting for her to entertain you. Smile when you first see them, and when you leave for the night. Smile when appropriate, but don't look like a fucking tickle me elmo all night. And don't laugh loud either. Practice your laugh, a god awful laugh will zip her pants up fast brahs.

2 is mostly true, but if she does it, it can be good to match her behavior and mirror her a bit sometimes, so don't be afraid to. If she says some stuff you don't like, you can use this one sparingly to close yourself off subconsciously a bit, but be careful you don't come off pouty when you use it. Control you facial expressions if your arms are crossed. Mostly inquisitive and interested expressions when crossed. If you're smiling with your arms crossed, you're nervous, and if you're mad, you're pouting. Watch this one.

1 true. When she does something good. Touch her. She'll start doing more good things to get your touch.

Hopefully that's a bit of reading for you, but just those 10 things are pretty in depth and put you ahead of 98% of the other people in any public place.

[–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think Good Looking Loser has some great advice on identifying girls that are DTF versus the ones that aren't (20% effort will get you 80% of your lays), it becomes easier the more you see it, but you handled it perfectly when she presented herself to you. Shit test passed with flying colors.

[–]thegayrabbit 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What's the deal with mirroring body language, any tips on that?

I've been interested to read more on psychology & body language but I've never found a great resource to get started.

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[–]livelongandprosper69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Mirroring body language means rapport or desire to establish rapport. Do this as a test to see if a girl is attracted to you. For example, I would pick up my drink, take a sip and see if she follows shortly after.

[–]1menergize[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Below me is correct but it isn't super cut and dry always. However, if you ever encounter a bitch shield (ie standoffish, arms crossed, quiet, aka bitch) mirror her body language and start asking her about herself.

[–]AzureCuzYeah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that is pretty excellent. This is where I usually hesitate too long and blow it. He kept it simple and kept rolling on.

[–]Sesa_Refum 25 points26 points  (24 children)

Save your appetite, I'm taking you out to dinner

Smooth as fuck, I would never dream of pulling bold shit like that in a Subway line

[–]1menergize[S] 13 points14 points  (23 children)

One thing I've realized too is the more you can get a girl to eat on a date, the more comfortable she is. Chick ordered an 8 oz steak, salad and ate two loaves of that bread. Her endorphins were flooding, and the aftermath only connected me to them more. Not intentional, but after this, it will be every, single, time.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Got that bitch Outback. Bitches love Outback

[–]feuerfoxalpha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you want anal, don't let her get the blooming onion.

[–]jaynort 17 points18 points  (13 children)

A question, then. Say that doesn't work. Say you say, "Save your appetite, I'm taking you out to dinner," and she says "No, you're not."

How would you handle that? Shrug and say "Alright," and stand back in line, awkward as hell in line for the next five minutes while you get food?

How do you disengage yourself from that situation while saving face?

[–]1needathrowawayplease 43 points44 points  (7 children)

"Shrug and say "Alright," and stand back in line"

^ Exactly what you do.

"awkward as hell in line for the next five minutes"

^ You feeling this way is why you're not as successful as OP. This is your ego speaking.

The solution? Learn to give less fucks. Learn to be outcome independent. Learn to be amused by the world instead of frightened by it. Learn these things through exposure therapy (doing things that make you feel "awkward as hell" until you subconsciously learn that they really aren't a big deal at all).

[–]jaynort 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Hmm. Like the gym used to be, then. Except with people, now. What once was awkward is now effortless in the gym. What's currently awkward with people will be effortless eventually.

[–]1needathrowawayplease 18 points19 points  (1 child)


There's actually an excerpt on exactly this from Models (and it even relates to going to the gym):

The way to attack anxieties is through incremental, but high volume exposure. Not single, extreme exposure. To develop lasting change, you come at it from the opposite angle. If you’re afraid to approach women, then you find the EASIEST and LOWEST INTENSITY way to approach, and then do it in high volume.

So for instance, you would approach 10 women in an hour or two just asking for the time. Nothing more is required, just what time it is. Find something easy, but repeat it many, many times.

Then the next day, you go out and ask 10 women what time it is followed by, “How is your day going?” And each day, you slowly make it harder and more intensive.

Eventually you’ll be able to approach any woman in any circumstance and express your interest in her... without fear, without worrying about what to say or what line to use. And you can apply this to all sorts of situations: getting physical with women, emailing women online, calling phone numbers, sexual humor, conversations with women, etc., etc.

It’s just a matter of knowing how to structure your exposure.

To use a metaphor, for any of you who go to the gym, you probably know that there are two ways to exercise and get strong: high intensity and low repetition, or low intensity and high repetition. The high intensity, low repetition increases the power of your muscles. Think stacking on tons of weight and only lifting it 3 times. Whereas the low intensity, high repetition increases your conditioning. Think taking a low amount of weight and doing it 20 times.

Well, we’re trying to condition ourselves, but just socially. And just like in weightlifting, low intensity, high repetition is the way to go.

Any man can condition himself this way and it’s not hard to imagine the benefits of this method. The easiest example is approaching women. Start with something simple and innocuous. Hell, you could even start by asking clerks and cashiers how their day is going -- they have to be nice to you after all.

But start simple. “What time is it?” or maybe “Can you tell me how to get to the bus stop?” Do that 10 or 20 times, then go out the next day and approach women the same way, but ask them how their day is going. Then go out and and ask 10 or 20 women for directions, how their day is going and then ask them a personal question about themselves.

Slowly work up until you’re able to approach women by telling them you think they’re attractive and asking them out on a date. You’ll be surprised how quickly you can get comfortable doing this. In fact, if you’re like most guys and stick with it, then you’ll begin to get hooked to the adrenaline rush and actually enjoy the butterflies you get when you approach a new woman.

But this method doesn’t just work with approaching. It can work with any aspect of the interaction in which you need to take action.

Afraid to kiss girls on a date? Challenge yourself first to hold their hand. Once you’ve done that a few times, then challenge yourself to put your arm around them and leave it there. Once you’ve done that a few times, then challenge yourself to kiss them on the cheek. And finally, challenge yourself to go for the kiss itself.

All of these goals can be done with the same girl, and even on the same date. But the important part is to stair-step your approach rather than expecting yourself to immediately be banging girls by the dozen after a week.

Get creative. Other sticking points this method can be applied to:

  1. Stalling out in conversation. Being comfortable talking about yourself.
  2. Calling girls and asking them out on dates.
  3. Going for sex once you’ve been out on a date with a girl.
  4. Flirting and teasing women.
  5. Showing direct interest. Stating that you’re attracted to them.

Really all it takes is a focused and concerted effort on your part without actually expecting yourself to go from 0 to 100 in one night. Instead, you’ll slowly but surely gain little successes repeatedly, not only building your competence and confidence, but making the whole process a lot more enjoyable, therefore helping you get over your anxiety.

And the great thing about this method is that as you get accustomed to your anxiety and become more confident in your ability, you’ll be even more motivated to meet and date even more women, increasing your confidence and competence further, and easing your anxiety that much more.

There’s momentum to it, which is absolutely integral to developing a healthy and successful love life. The last thing I’ll say about this method before moving on, is that you should only focus on one thing at a time. And when I say “focus” on one thing at a time, I really mean only quantify one aspect of your interactions at a time.

So if you want to be less nervous approaching women, don’t bother yourself worrying about how to get phone numbers or when to go for the kiss or what texts you should be writing. Just focus on approaching.

But by the same token, when you’re focusing on getting physical and aggressive with women, don’t worry about approached. A very common form of avoidance for men who are terrified of “later stage” parts of picking up women -- escalating, sex, dates, etc. -- is that they’ll actually use approaching more women as a form of avoidance. They’ll have a beautiful woman totally enrapt with them, and instead of seeing how far they can push things they’ll take her number and move on, because they tell themselves they want to keep “working on approaches.” When approaching is not their problem. Getting sexual with women is!

Again, some self-awareness is critical. Take things one at a time, stair-step them slowly until you get not only comfortable with it, but EXCITED about it, and then move on to the next thing. That excitement and enthusiasm will bleed over into the next form of anxiety and motivate you to keep going.

For example, a guy who is scared to approach women should stair- step approaches until he enjoys approaching. Then use that enjoyment to stair-step his way up displaying more interest and communicating more openly. Then use his enjoyment and the adrenaline from that to stair-step his way up being physical with women. Soon, he’ll be getting laid and dating some very cool women.

If this sounds like a lot of work, it’s actually not. It’s actually quite simple and if you’re focused about it and don’t get distracted with all sorts of mundane and extraneous theory, it’s very straightforward and can be accomplished quickly.

I’ve taken guys who have never approached a woman in their life and gotten them walking up to beautiful women on the street and asking for coffee dates within a matter of days. I’ve now helped three guys lose their virginities within weeks of using this method. One of them was 29 years old. One of them was 25 years old. Another client of mine slept with two new girls in the SAME weekend after applying these principles.

Thanks Mark Manson.

[–]jaynort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was surprisingly thorough. I'm going to save this, I need to remind myself of this often. Thank you. I'll be applying this often. four months ago I was at the bottom of the barrel socially, but I've slowly been progressing with my own methods, and this will help immensely.

[–]Calamash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Unconscious Incompetence

  2. Conscious Incompetence

  3. Conscious Competence

  4. Unconscious Competence

[–]I-Am-Dickish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Insightful as fuck. I was fortunate enough to learn this lesson in high school. First girl friend I had. So long ago now that I don't remember the context, but she said "It's only awkward if you make it."

Clicked with me. I was beta af and that set me on the rode to alpha long before I heard of TRP. My escalation game skyrocketed.

[–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch Andrew Hales YouTube channel LAHWF. He's awkward as hell and doesn't give a fuck. He created his own reality and he's living in it. Nobody can break that. You just gotta brainwash yourself into truly believing you are the shot. You are so bad that no one can mess with you.

[–]1menergize[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Precisely what needathroawayplease said, she says no you're not, you say, "Okay." and turn back. You think you feel awkward? Just doing that squashes her ego a little bit because other guys would try again, and then it WOULD get awkward. Let her hamster run crazy, turn back and look at the menu, I bet she says something else anyway if your frame is good.

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[–]1menergize[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Precisely, except not slowly. Just take it and go do something else. Be disconnected to what they will think of you or your reaction.

[–]Dad7025 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh man. It if she eats the wrong thing and gets gas? That could kill it.

[–]I-Am-Dickish 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Is TRP too mature for a fart joke?

[–]hrm0894 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Silly question but did you pay for her meal or did she pay for herself? I'm asking because I want a better visual of how the date went lol

[–]1menergize[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The date went great, and maybe I will do a FR on that and the aftermath of plating since, but no, I did not pay. She actually insisted we split it, because of conversations we had during dinner. And no, none of them specifically were "I hate women who won't pay." Just values, and shit like that.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yea I feel like the dinner was the most important part of this in terms of going from subway to breaking your couch. Based on the body of this post, i'd definitely be interested in reading it.

[–]1menergize[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll write it up this week sometime. There was definitely some game and concepts that people would like in there but since this post was more about what frame and posture can do for you, then I didn't want it to be any longer than it was already.

[–]GodzPizzaman 15 points16 points  (13 children)

Awesome story, but stupid question incoming: what do you mean by "hips underneath" regarding your posture?

[–]1menergize[S] 17 points18 points  (11 children)

A lot of people take "stand up straight" to mean they stick their ass out and flex their hip flexors, and create an arch that isn't natural, nor appealing, to the male body. This is seen more in children, and less in adults, but many adults will also carry this posture into adulthood, which leads to all kinds of back problems, hip problems, etc.

But, here's a good image that should describe it a bit better:


See the second posture? A lot of people take that to be correct by pushing their rear end out and elongating their lower back, when in realty, you should try to be a bit more back leaning than the ideal posture here when you're really paying attention. If you're relaxed and muscular, you'll be a bit different than the image, but see how the first picture's hips are aligned with his torso?

That keeps your abdomen in tight, core connected, will be uncomfortable for some at first but after a couple weeks you'll feel your core get much stronger. Throwing your butt out lets your whole spine kind of rest on your sacrum and lower body, and it really fucks things up.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 4 points5 points  (8 children)

What's your take on military posture?

[–]foldpak111 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Marine here. We all had perfect posture after basic so military posture is good. You might look silly though if you do it at subway hahaha

[–]1menergize[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Yeah I can agree with this. Have some friends from the military, they told me it was tough after to tone it down a bit and relax in some settings. Good posture, not necessarily best for pickup.

[–]foldpak111 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Good posture for making thugs and muggers think twice before stepping to you, but I understand where you're coming from in a non violent situation. People would think you're an asshole and not even want to be around you. Elliot Hulse and his Bioenergetics exercises really helped loosen me up.

[–]1menergize[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Funny you bring that up, when someone tried to step to me a few weeks ago that's the posture I went to, it's slightly more aggressive in nature and it shut the situation down pretty quickly when I didn't waver from it.

I haven't looked into Elliot Hulse much, I should. Thanks for the tip dude.

[–]foldpak111 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I'll give you a quick overview of all the cool things I've learned from him as it can be hard to find it all due to the thousands of videos he's posted.

The muscletrac: I purchased one on amazon for around 20-25 dollars. What you do is roll your muscles out like cookie dough. It's specific purpose for Bioenergetics is to roll out the neck. We have A LOT of tension there.

Then I like to take my fingers and massage my jaw for a good 5 minutes. we have tight jaws as well.

Then take a basketball, kettlebell, etc. And lay your lower abdomen on it. That helps loosen up the core in preparation for 'breathing into your balls'

Take a foam roller and roll out your feet (helps with grounding), hip flexor's (we sit all the time, destroying our hips. so take care of them), lower back (enforcing thoracic extension).

Then I do the 'bow.' Elliot has so many videos on this so explaining is unnecessary. This is arguably thru most powerful exercise of them all. It exposes all your weaknesses and you'll feel amazing afterwards.

Now just bounce up and down. Shake it out. Bouncing breaks up muscular tension.

Then charge and discharge. Basically imagine a hot chick is naked bent over in front of you. Go to town haha. This is pushing the hips out. Our hips are pushed in and tight.

Then I do 30 minutes of meditation and humming while listening to an alpha/beta frequency (the balance between calm and alert is really cool). Humming deepens the voice.

Now thump your chest. I forget what this does but I feel all tingly afterwards. It's amazing.

The finisher is screaming into a pillow as loud as you possibly can. Your voice will get very, very deep. I had immediate results.

That's my current session. I want to incorporate more voice exercises, like going from high pitch to low pitch. Exercises that professional singers do. I don't know... I got a lot more research to do but the stuff Elliot taught me is more than enough to get started.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good stuff. Odd coincidence I watch Elliot as well. Pity he seems to have stopped...

[–]1menergize[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is really good shit man. I'm going to start implementing this and do more reading on it. Thanks dude.

[–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My session takes approximately an hour and fifty minutes. Most of us are very busy so the best time to do this would be 5-7 am. If you have to leave by 7, try doing it at 4 so you save an hour for personal hygiene and all that jazz.

[–]Interrupting_Otter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks a lot, I've been trying to correct the hollow back. I've got a handle on my shoulders, and I've been working on core but the back stuff has been elusive.

I feel so much more confident walking with my chest out. I am more confident and so I walk with my chest out. It's a good feedback loop.

I've noticed that the kind of shoes I'm wearing impacts my ability to stand up properly a lot.

[–]duodan -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I love that we posted opposite things...I was going to make a Rip joke ("hip drahve"), but your explanation is better.

[–]TogiBear 31 points32 points  (2 children)

One of the best FR's I've ever read. 10/10

11/10 with rice

[–]1menergize[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks guys, cool that my first FR here was taken to so kindly. Encourages me to share more.

[–]moiez326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

agreed. this guy is a a perfect example of a what RP is all about: improving yourself. bitches come on the side as extra.

[–]MrArtfulDodger 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Did you pay for dinner or 50/50?

[–]2wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

he said she insisted on splitting because of chance dinner conversation.

[–]1menergize[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"chance" - or conversations I always have with a woman to gauge and disqualify the real suckers right away ;)

"Does it make you feel like less of a woman if a man pays for your food?"

She says, "No, not at all, but I never mind paying for myself." - Winner

She says, "No, why would it?" - Not a winner

She says 1: I say, "That is so hot."

She says 2: I say, "That's a good question. Just wondering" and move on.

Now, she knows I like it if she said the first line. And further, it's been established, frame is set early on, and I don't have to shift it or break it later on to avoid any over supplication too early on.

I really don't live by the whole "Avoid buying things for her in the LTR" motto. People let this carry over into pickup too, and honestly, while you shouldn't just be buying girls you fuck a ton of shit, buying her dinner isn't a big deal, especially if when you get to the bar you tell her "Go get us some drinks" and she willingly does it without questioning it or asking for money.

I won't explain it in depth, but it's validity at this point with me is waning, and has declined sharply. I have a formula I've created over time that defines how women pick men. I will do a post on it sometime soon.

First time she shit tests you, just pass it, and buy all the dinners you want. Because that's where you want to eat and she can't fucking afford it if you don't, or rather, you want to do something nice and provide a primal need for this woman, steak. At least in my case. I take women to places like outback because I feel like getting a chick to eat a steak triggers some subconscious primal activity.

The other option? Find a woman that can afford it and prefers to pay for herself because it makes her feel good. I personally would rather do this one. To each their own.

In the end, I don't think of it as a big deal, and it ends up not being one.

[–]Cypher211 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fantastic FR, in fact the first one that I've been compelled to comment on due to how well it was written. This is the kind of quality content I like to see on the sub.

[–]rockerfeller_1696 10 points11 points  (4 children)

This is great. Amazing what you can accomplish after swallowing

[–]mikicoockie 29 points29 points [recovered]

Well when you say it like that...

[–]cazzah123 8 points9 points  (8 children)

I'm pretty good at the being forward stuff, holding my frame etc, all the good stuff, but only on the start.

I'd do well right up until we actually got on the date. Thats where I'd go quiet, in my head, no fun, nervous, breaking frame ect.

The thought of going on a date with a female frightens me

[–]1menergize[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Do you ever go and hang out with your guy friends and shoot shit about chicks and make "gross" dirty jokes?

[–]cazzah123 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I'm pretty good in groups, but 1on1, even with guy friends, I just don't have anything to say. Mind goes blank

[–]1menergize[S] 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Try this: Go over the last day in your head real quick, every single thing that pops into your head was significant enough to remember for 24 hours. Start in on a topic and share.

"You know, it's Christmas time and I don't love it like when I was a kid! What do you guys think? Do you still enjoy it?"

A few of the best things you can say if someone else says something, particularly a woman, since she should be doing 80% of the talking anyway, is, "That's interesting, tell me more"

Or, "Why would you say that, that's interesting, tell me more" or any variation of that. "Why would you feel that way? Tell me more." People will willingly share more deeply instantly and maybe give you something you can relate to. Don't be afraid to open up a bit as well to other people. In the first date, I've been trying to make it a point and challenge so that I know the "sluttiest" thing a girl has done in public with a man, if she swallows, her favorite position, and her favorite drink. Better believe the second time she comes over, the drink's waiting, why? Not because I give a fuck what she thinks, but because I'm prepared, and I do what I have to do make my life enjoyable. It shows I listen, and girls appreciate a man who can listen to anything she has to say and actualize it into something useful. Now, if she's talking about her ex, tell her to stfu and can it. Feel free. If she continues, next her. She's a widow. But either way, find something to relate to, share, and enjoy the experience.

Try this: Take the pressure off. Start talking with employees at Subway for instance, or the movie theater, or the store. Ask them if they like working there, how long they have. Start mechanical, robot like and you'll find yourself coming up with things on the fly slowly but surely.

Hang in there, I've been there. Just understand sometimes silence is golden and acknowledging it only makes it worse. Be comfortable in silence and expect your date to break it and fill it for you, because hell, you shouldn't care if you impress her, she should be qualifying herself to you dude.

[–]moiez326 7 points8 points  (1 child)

you're a fucking beast and an inspiration, man.

[–]1menergize[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm still learning like everybody, I just have a good memory and at 26 still learn and try to get better at it. Work hard, be a bigger beast than me. Fail more than I did, succeed more than I do. Use me as a benchmark to strive past (see how I didn't say strive for?). People set lofty goals, and then meet them. Exceed them, and watch as your goals get harder and harder as you set them.

[–]Juuichidaime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never know how to lead the conversation sexually without it seeming retarded, can you give me some examples of how you've done it since you say you make it a challenge, how do you lead into those things? Thanks

[–]I-Am-Dickish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hobbies. If you can't find something to talk about, you aren't interesting enough. Reading is also good. Game of thrones books were ok. Other than that I'd avoid most excessively mainstream literature.

Too lazy to read? TV shows and movies. Orange is the new black is ok to watch and fairly interesting. The councilor is blue pill as fuck. Also everyone watches supernatural. I've pulled that out as a subject maybe 7 times on a date and everyone responded positively.

If you need to improve physically, diets and weightlifting are ok for women you know do that shit. I'm in rural Texas. 1 in 20 know anything about working out/dieting. Kinda sucks.

[–]Dad7025 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For me, I always tried to have an activity. Shooting pool is good assuming you are ok at it. You've always got something g to comment on or joke about. Staring at someone over dinner isn't always the best choice

[–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (1 child)

'I've also noticed that 94% of people in public have HORRIBLE POSTURE. HORRIBLE. Terrible. Like idfk how you even get out of bed in the morning without a headache posture.'

Tight hip flexor's from sitting and hunched shoulders from underdeveloped rear deltoids. I see it everyday.

[–]elscorcho1991 7 points8 points  (3 children)


All I've got to add is agreement to the things you've said. Ever since I got over the the fear of approaching and escalating, nothing but positive results. After a while, it becomes natural and it's game over.

Confidence + posture + concise phrasing = deadly combo.

[–]1menergize[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yes, definitely saying less is more. I didn't need to justify why I was asking her out, I just again repeated what I said the first time. This is where we are going, this is what I want, are you in or not?

Getting over the fear of approach is hard, lots of guys here probably still don't, so kudos dude.

[–]elscorcho1991 7 points7 points [recovered]

Thanks. Similar thing occurred to me recently. I was talking to a Mexicana; turns out she's 11 years my senior. It was going well so I said "give me your number", she stared for a sec and said "you know there's an 11 year age gap...you know that's really big" I just said yeah and kept my phone out as if just waiting for her to finish talking.

She then just starts "three one two..."

Seeing her again in about an hour.

[–]1menergize[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha yeah. Older women. Like we won't know what to do with a woman just because she's been on the earth longer than us and still gone through exactly what our plates have.

[–]sexking23 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What method/books you would recommend? I felt you read "The Power of Thinking Without Thinking" or something similar.

[–]1menergize[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Read Think and Grow Rich first. Edit: Get as old as an edition as you can.

[–]sexking23 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Think and Grow Rich

Thanks. My very close friend told me to read it but I ignored him because I thought it was for getting rich. From searching thru TRP I learned it is more than that.

[–]1menergize[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's definitely got a bit of "if you want it enough, you'll get it", law of attraction type stuff, but the way it is presented clearly shows it's validity and to men, this book will be very motivating and life changing.

I've never read anything like it, and I've read it three times. You should enjoy it. Let me know, seriously, when you get done what you thought of it.

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Fucking Ice cold game right there. If r/seduction had ANY content like this i'd probably check it out more often.

[–]94redstealth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well done, I will take something away from this field report.

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[–]Neverd0wn 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Because that's the type of guy she saw me as, that's the dick she's dreamt about hanging off of all her life. And now she's found it.

So can I take from this that this girl saw you as that guy that would fuck her brains out instead because the way you looked at her in the subway? She knew from the moment you looked at her for 4 seconds that you wanted to fuck her and did that make you attractive to her?

[–]1menergize[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No, but after I talked with her and she got the feeling I wasn't needy she laid down. Then I fucked her. And her suspicions were confirmed.

[–]Neverd0wn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea but she gets the feeling you're not needy by how you act right, like the body language you were talking about. I guess the eye contact you gave her also contributes to giving off a non-needy vibe.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"effectively made her realize there are alpha guys in the world that will take her by the hand and bang her brains out, without judging her or making it a high pressure situation for her to live up to."

The expectations of a BP man are so damn high that he gets depressed when his 'lady' doesn't meet those Gatsby like standards.

It is better to be stoic and see things for what they are, and the girl appreciates that.

Players do not judge girls for what they do

[–]miles37 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sounds good, except your description of your posture sounds awkward to me. It doesn't sound very relaxed, but maybe that's just a misinterpretation of your words on my part.

Personally, I just relax, with a dominant state of mind, and have the body posture which naturally follows from that. If anything, shoulders are 'down' (just relaxed), my muscles are relaxed not tight (abs and everything else), and if anything I'm hunched slightly forward, except not really, I'm just standing how humans naturally comfortably stand when they're relaxed, my back certainly isn't locked out straight... I'm talking up as much room as I want, not concerned about people around me, not trying to walk in any particular way, just walking relaxed not giving a shit, which naturally makes my shoulders sway.

Maybe I'm just doing what you're doing, but I don't have to think about it? It's possible... So, if one's start-point is your end-point and one followed your advice, one might go over-kill.

[–]1menergize[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I have a posture that works for me. Like I said before, some people have different builds or back problems etc. The idea is to be as upright and unslouched and slight your spine vertically, but also keep your shoulders straightened horizontally, while it's still comfortable to hold. That way you don't look like you're trying to have good posture, you just have the best posture you can.

But I think we're talking about the same thing. When you say "down" I think if you look in the mirror, you'll see they also go back and pull your chest up a bit. Enhance that move, and let everything else rest where it naturally falls.

EDIT: In general, a slightly backwards leaning posture is the best, with the head up, eyes forward, chin up, shoulders "down" or back.

[–]alritealritealrite 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've read loads and loads of RP posts since I discovered it yesterday and I've thoroughly enjoyed them all. I'm new here so explain this to me. I feel like alot of the post here are too in depth and over thought. Yeah sure, you said all the right things. You had posture and confidence. But let's not forget about rule one and two; be attractive, don't be unattractive. If she was initially attracted to you you could have said just about anything and you could have stuck your dick in her at some point. If any guy below her league was in your shoes that day she would have called him creepy or some bull shit. Tl;dr women want dicked from attractive guys

[–]1menergize[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What made me attractive was the things I mentioned.

I can go out without showering, disheveled, hair undone, hungover, after a night of drinking, and still have the same results.

If she was attractive to me I could NOT have said anything to her, because at the first hint of a beta tendency, she's going to pull back, and if I'my truly attractive physically, but beta in dynamic, she's going to sense it and bounce on me. This guy, while physically attractive, or aesthetic, will be seen as this creepy male you describe.

You're using "attractive" to mean physically attractive, and while being "aesthetically appeasing" does up your SMV, so does believing, projecting, and being congruent with beliefs such as abundance, releasing yourself from a result, and amused mastery.

Hopefully this made sense, but great point you bring up.

[–]alritealritealrite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that helps. Thank you

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CRUCIAL question: Is she taller than you?

[–]YourShadowScholar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a serious question, I would sincerely appreciate an answer to:

What did this person do to deserve having dinner purchased for them, and amazing sex other than have a vagina?

[–]MrRexels 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What do you mean by ''hips under'' ?

[–]1menergize[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Check out the comment a few posts up by GodzPizzaman

[–]Dude219 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad to see a fellow short guy represent. Excellent execution.

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Awesome FR. Well done.

Huge takeaway here is that it doesn't matter if you are running day game, being shit tested by a plate, or dealing with a disrespectful wife....women want to submit to a strong man.

Ms Orange dress liked your opener but shit tested OP with the take it off comment. Betamax woulda been freaked. Maybe apologized.

When you escalated..She submits.

Well done

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just wanna say I had a Good night last night as well, I played my cards right, it went smooth. It's a good feeling to read this story, even though I have to say, I'm suprised you didn't get the giggles.

At the very last second i get this laugh that happens, because I feel so empowered by my succesion. As I'm laughing it's just so amusing to see something happen exactly how you wanted it to. It's the best feeling in the world.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've learned a couple names after having already fucked. Who has time to learn names of random strangers who may or may not flake out on you... if they've fucked you though, it's probably best to at least give them a little validation and try to call them by the right name. I love the "non-judgmental" aspects of the feminist agenda. Just because you fucked me before you told me your name doesn't make you a slut... at least that's the vibe I give off publicly... privately is a different matter.

[–]duckheadhorse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did you evaluate that her saying "I guess I should just take off then" was her escalating?

[–]justlurking420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did OD pay for her own meal?

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[–]New_Horiz0ns 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Girls don't go out for dick during the day at the mall. They meet with the Gurlzz & drink shots & hit da club. Then they get dick.

This is all smooth game from OP.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bitch shields are down, Scotty! Fire phall-ton torpedos!

[–]1menergize[S] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Considering I didn't even touch details on the date, conversations, aftermath, LMR, any of it, or the two times I've fucked her after that recently or all I've gotten her to tell me... you're wrong here, but all of that aside, you are wrong anyway.

But I'll enlighten you, since your comment is gaining steam and I hate it when people like to chalk up shit like this to luck and timing.

My friends try that with me, "You get girls cause you're lucky," or, "She would have fucked any of us." You know what I say, "Oh really? Why didn't you fuck her instead then?" Haven't got a real reason yet.

Meh, timing. Chick at mall by herself wearing sexy dress?

Yes, chick at mall wearing a sexy dress. I need to treat you guys like women and brush these fucking shit tests off but I'm going to enlighten you. Yes. Women dress up sometimes, but in this case she had just gotten off work and changed in her car, which was confirmed when we took it in between fuck sessions to the store to get some shit (and no, she paid for the shit at the store, not me). You know what happened? She blew off her friends to kick it with me.

Glancing at men? Who gamed who? She was cock hunting.

lol, you know women look at men. So it then follows since she's in the mall, looking nice, and happened in the line next to me, that she was cock hunting. There is no logic here. This is conjecture, based off your bitterness towards women.

Who's to say she didn't see you first and get near you hoping you would notice?

You're right, who IS to say she didn't? Maybe she did. Which just validates all the points of this post. Body language, posture, etc. If she noticed me, I did some shit right, huh? What's up with the madonna whore complex you've got going on? What's wrong if she DID want that? Women can't find a man they want and pursue them? I obviously decided at dinner that she was up to my standards.

Have I blown your mind?

Not one fucking bit.

When they want the D they get it, one way or another.

Lol, once again. Bitterness. I don't know if it's because your ex got dressed up sexy and went and found herself a dick to ride, or whether you just come across super hot HB9's all day that claw at you and all over you to the point of annoyance, but this just sounds fucking ridiculous. I don't give a shit if this offends you, if you had a chick fuck you over because you didn't hold frame, don't come up in here blaming me for it passively using comments like this man. Maybe you even had a kid with her, and that's pissing you off even more? It's just a guess.

So what if she does want the dick? Give it to her. Then go lift, eat something, and do your own shit afterwards. I don't really have anything else to say to this comment.

Hope I blew your mind. Better luck with the next chick dude.

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[–]1menergize[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I think the DMV sells them now as an endorsement on your license.

[–]duodan -1 points0 points  (11 children)

Fun read. Ya done good.

one of my Pomeranians.

Oh son...Personal preference, I guess. I had a gf who wanted a wiener dog so badly, but hell no I ain't gettin caught walking one of them. Women love puppies, so I got her a border collie. Smart, high energy, outgoing. Don't we all aspire to that?

[–]1menergize[S] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Girls will willingly approach you in the summer walking around with two Poms, because they're "just too cute"

When I call them little assholes and say that this one chews up my shit, this one poops by the door, she will defend them, and a game of cat and mouse ensues that ends up the same about every time for me, and the woman.

That being said, I love animals. I didn't choose Poms originally per se, let's just say they were a bad compromise. I planned on getting myself a golden retriever. Loyal, calm, gentle, but smart, cunning and able.

I may still, but for now, these two have some great perks. And they are kinda cute, I'll admit it.

[–]redpillerinnyc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Poms are small Spitz, same family as Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute, Akita Inu, Shiba Inu, etc. They are not usual yip-yap dogs in spirit nor temperament if bred right by a refutable breeder.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Girls will approach you in the summer if you're walking a Siberian husky as well. A strong, active breed says one thing about you, while a yippy lap dog says another.

[–]1menergize[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

True on this. Can't hate on this statement, but, the fact that my two dogs are verbally trained and off leash capable changes things a bit. I can say three words and they'll be at my side sitting staring at me waiting attentively. It impresses them.

While the Husky may be good, if you're not the type of person to control animals well or be able to train them, then you may be better suited with no animal. The Husky could be too much for some people, my friend has one and it's apeshit, all the time. That thing doesn't get him laid. This should all go unsaid and be common sense to someone getting a dog I guess, though.

I do love the entire Husky breed in general.

And to cut off the connection that might be made, no, I'm not saying you don't train your dog. I'm only stating that there is context here. But I agree, I wouldn't suggest to the random TRPer to go get two poms and expect it to be pussy magnets.

These two, just happen to be for me.

Edit: Just had this thought about an interaction I did have two years ago though that matches up with what you're saying. Girl flipped me shit about them. If I see a girl with a Pom, I label her, as sad as that is. If a girl tries to tease me, I just say shit like "I was trying to feminize myself" or something stupid to draw contrast and throw her off a bit.

I'll even say shit like "Yeah me and my gay lover got them but then I went straight, and he sucks with animals, so they're mine. What, would you have given away your pets? That's awful!" to agree and escalate, and flip the script.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

True, ultimately a well trained Pomeranian is more of an asset than an out of control husky, but that initial impression is important.

On a side note, sorry to hear about your friend's dog. They're an amazing breed, for those willing to put in the effort to train them.

[–]1menergize[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I knew a guy who had ex sled dogs and the companionship they showed was unmatched. He broke his leg and three of them laid around him day in and out and when he moved they'd move around him, almost guarding him because he was injured. It was crazy.

Yeah, they're not my go to on a dry day, by any means.

[–]redbluepilling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

strong, active breed

It's better to be this yourself than the dog. A yippy lap dog is great contrast. I love cute things.

[–]duodan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Girls will willingly approach you in the summer walking around with two Poms, because they're "just too cute"

Interesting. I bet the type of dog and activity you're seen doing have a great bearing on the types of girl we're each interested in. I've met a lot of people at the beach, dog park, etc. I'm an active, outdoorsy type myself, I wouldn't want a "plate"/relationship/whatever that isn't into the things I'm into.

[–]flyingwolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have border collie, she is smart, lazy as fuck and the perfect dog for me.

But I agree, your dog says as much about you as your furniture.

[–]redpillerinnyc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bad choice. Perhaps you got lucky like the poster down below with a rare lazy Border Collie. I grew up with a few- my mother bought a farm upstate just to rescue and breed her favorite dogs, including BCs. BCs are super high energy, super smart, and always need a job. It's not a good breed for novice owners or people who don't have time to spend hours per day with a dog. I would not trust a chick with a Border Collie unless she is an athlete, a dog trainer, or a farm girl. Dogs deserve to be happy.

[–]strangelyversatile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome FR and great advice. Still working on my cold approach

[–]doritoesNcoffee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solid approach. To be honest since the start I thought you'd open with "What kind of chicken should I get on my sandwich?"

I would've definitely opened with that lol, but again, the opener doesn't really matter.

[–]prodigyx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I thought of it fast. That's what matters. I think acting quickly in situations like these is important, or else you start to look more and more timid when you finally do act because it's almost like you were psyching yourself up for it.

I have been working on this and it turns out this is way more important than I thought it was. It doesn't matter so much what you say, you just need to take action quickly when she knows you have noticed her. Show her you know what you want and you aren't going to hesitate.

Solid FR, lots of good info in there.

[–]1menergize[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah the longer you give her time to think of a reason or how she's going to shoot you down since she sees it coming, the more likely it is to happen. Don't be predictable, be spontaneous!

Thanks man.

[–]T2020 -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

It's a nice story. What i took away from it though is that the girl got free food, free attention, good dick, and a free place to stay for the night. He says he picked her up in the Subway line, because he initiated the contact. But then again, as a female, her game is attraction. She attracted him with an orange dress at the shitty sandwhich shop, and he begins giving her shit. He upgraded her meal, changed all his plans around for her, and sexed her on the first date without really knowing what he was putting his dick into. Strikes me as desperation. It sounds to me like he took more risk on than necessary.

She was the first to mention sex. Hell she was pretty much begging for it from the time he met her.

IDK, I think this girl regularly gives it up to whoever asks for it, redpill, or not. He's paying, but I guarantee, some of her other guys are hitting that for free.

[–]1menergize[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What i took away from it though is that the girl got free food

Not that it matters, because it's so overrated to be anal about paying for someone's food or drinks or shit if the rest of your game is on spot, but no, we split the check.

free attention

lol, she gets that everywhere she goes, you think this set me apart?

She attracted him with an orange dress at the shitty sandwhich shop, and he begins giving her shit.

Yeah the dress did it. Nothing that happened on the date, or the next two times I've seen her mattered at all.

changed all his plans around for her

Yep, I had so many fucking plans that night.

He upgraded her meal

Lol, it's the Outback. Not Benihana. But once again, we split the bill.

sexed her on the first date without really knowing what he was putting his dick into.

I thought sex on the first date was the goal, but you're right, if she's real hot, I shouldn't try to fuck her. I should take things real slow, and get to know her better first. So some other guy gets to fuck her.

She was the first to mention sex. Hell she was pretty much begging for it from the time he met her.

She was sexually attracted to me. I don't give a shit how many guys she is sexually attracted to. If she fucks a lot of guys, don't get in a relationship with her if that bothers you. Simple enough.

That's madonna whore complex bro. She doesn't fuck lots of guys and she's medium looking? Madonna (even tho she was a whore too). She fucks lots of guys and is real hot? Whore.

It's a lose lose situation, both are too far off from women and too general. All women, whether they fuck lots of guys, or none, have that dirty sexual side, if you can tap into it.

In fact, if you want some of her life story, she's a girl who was raised Catholic and just had her first drink of her life (or so she says) about 8 months ago. And from what mutual friends of this girl have told me from Facebook and other sources -- I'm probably the second or third guy she's ever been with.


So much for that.

But it just goes to show, don't assume, cause then you make an ass out of u and me.

[–]T2020 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

How do you have "mutual friends" with her? I thought she was a random chick at Subway? And even if you did, who cares that they say the bodycount on her is 2 or 3? Trust me, they can't possibly know and even if they did, they aren't going to tel you. Her behavior, in your initial post, tells me she was trolling for dick and she fucks a lot of dudes. It's game when you keep your money in your pocket.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would have just invited her over to my place for a movie I was watching later or something instead of dinner like he did since I hate dinner dates. Not sure if this would work as well but I just don't want to go to dinner with them. Unless they are the ones who ask and we're splitting, although I'd still possibly say join me x place instead. I doubt it wouldn't work as well though since I mean she was basically asking for it.

[–]1menergize[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would not have. I promise. I could have gotten food with her at Subway and probably got a number and went about it that way. I probably would never have fucked her.

Not to mention, I wonder how many guys a week she gets a text or FB message from that says, "We should go see a movie sometime," or "Come and watch a movie real quick," there's no hamstering to justify being at my house, or meeting with a guy she's never met. Do a lot of guys also ask her to dinner? Probably. Do they have the nuts to talk to her in the line at Subway with tons of people around and risk it? Probably not, because they want, and know her, and I don't give a fuck.

I'm more attractive because of this.

I also felt like screening her, and going out. In the end, it's fun to go on dates! There's nothing wrong. If you spend all your time just leaving, coming home and not picking up chicks if they won't come over, you'll be miserable.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This was a surprisingly good read..

[–]Dad7025 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Great story. I'm assuming it's true. Makes me think of what I thought about when I was single way back when.

First of all, never had the kind of game demonstrated here. But I did very well over the years before I met my wife.

So this girl probably not a slut, but overwhelmed by the attention of somone in control. Which reminds me of the chicks I was getting in my heyday. More often than not I'd get them in bed on the first date then have a relationship of six weeks or more. Serial monogamy was always my preferace. Almost every one of these girls had had only a handful of past sexual partners, usually 4-5 ( and we are talking mostly girls of at least 25 years).

Edit to add: what's your personal end game here? Just to get laid a lot? Finding the right person to procreate with? There's no wrong answer, just curious.

[–]1menergize[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like attractive women. I just got out of a 5 year LTR, so I will probably be posting stuff on LTR game from time to time too, but that is more reason to go back to the game and start spinning some plates.

Right now, I am enjoying my life and improving my game, self, to be better for me, and also if the day comes I want to be in a relationship again.

If not, I'm going to bang a lotta poon on the way through self improvement. More importantly, it's amazing how many of the girls you hook up with have recently (within the last 3 weeks) hooked up with someone else. We're not the only ones doing this, they just rotate through partners faster until they find someone that they don't want to rotate from.

[–]chadchadington -2 points-1 points  (0 children)


Well done, sir!

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

CRUCIAL question: Is she taller than you?

[–]Jakklz -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Great FR, upvoting for use of "man pipe"