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Defend, Explain, Excuse, Rationalize...

The Four Horsemen of the argument apocalypse.

The surest sign of doom's arrival is the scornful tongue lashing from a toothed vagina. Once a woman in your presence argues with you, or tests you - the horsemen are coming to your doorstep.

When you feel the tremoring gallop of these riders approaching, you'd best close the white gates of your mouth, and seal them with your lips.

If they've already arrived, the conversation, as you know it, is over.

The mighty tides of white colored pussy cream, dried in an instant - rendered into friction filled dunes of dry-crusted sand.

The tingles, are gone.

From there, the arousing conflict transforms into a contest of how much power you will surrender to your adversary, the fair-faced, bearded clam.

The sin of entering arguments, or DEERing with women, will happen in 4 ways - each unique in both appearance and punishment.

Learn them well, and avoid them.

Defend - The first Horseman

Being defensive is NOT to be confused with defending oneself from a real threat, like a physical attack, an attack to your character by ad hominem, or an attack against your ideas or beliefs. Defensiveness is a psychological response to perceived or imagined threat or attack to one’s sense of self. •What "Defend" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"I bet you say that to all the girls." --- "What, are you calling me a man-whore or something? I don't do that!"

"How could you not know where the spoons are?" --- "I looked fucking everywhere for them!"

"Dude, are you mad? Your face is all red and you're foaming at the mouth." --- "I am NOT angry! Why would you assume that! Maybe YOU'RE angry!"

"You really suck at having sex, babe." --- "What? But every other girl I've been with said I'm amazing! You're the one who sucks."

"You went and bought WHAT without talking to me about it?!" --- "But baby, I know I made the right call, look at all the benefits of this decision, don't you agree? Tell me why you disagree!"

"Only an idiot reads the red pill." --- "What? How DARE you question the red pill?! You're just a bloopie faggot!"

"I wish you would start doing the dishes." --- "I wish you would stop being so goddamn annoying!!"

"You suck." ---- "Why would you even say that about me? I'm fucking awesome! What did I do to you?"

Arms folded across your chest.

Eyes darting around. Rubbing the back of your neck or head in nervousness.

Strained facial muscles. A feigned smile.

Shifting back and forth in position. •Why People "Defend"

People become defensive because they aren't confident in their own decisions, and they don't believe in who they are. They feel guilty, ashamed, and timid about their choices. They question their sense of self. A defensive man is not an immovable mountain. Instead, they are an ungrounded castle, built upon pillars of sand, waiting to wither away and topple.

When you feel the urge to be defensive, you may believe what the other person (the female) says about you, and you must defend the validity of your inner sanctum from this attack. You question your internal beliefs, start to believe what the outsider is saying about you, and then you defend yourself to convince yourself of your own truth and beliefs. You feel that you are being personally attacked, and you are protecting your sense of self. Terrible, ain't it?

Even worse, some people experience the urge to be defensive when an attack isn't even intended! This is the result of upbringing, and unconfidence - perhaps policing parents who harassed their child, leading to a grown man becoming defensive and confrontational when a woman asks "Hey honey, where were ya last night?" Maybe you were actually out there doing some shady shit, and your guilt about doing what you were accused of leads you to becoming defensive.

We want people to see us the way we see ourselves - or at least not see us negatively - and we spend immense time and energy debating and defending ourselves and our decisions to others, because we want them to approve of us, and to see us in the same light we grant ourselves. We try to convince them that their perceptions of us are flawed - or incorrect.

If you are unclear about who you are, you start to believe what other people tell you, and feel the need to defend yourself by resisting your accusers arguments and attempting to prove yourself - A fencer, ferociously swatting every potential stab away from themselves, when in reality they are an enigma that can be penetrated by sword without suffering so much as a puncture wound. Being defensive is unnecessary, and a foreign notion to a grounded and confident man. •How "Defend" Punishes

Defensiveness validates accusations. It turns your vagina play toy into a threat - making a woman into an enemy by defending yourself from them. As the woman realizes they have gained the power to "get to you," and evoke feelings of defensiveness in their man, the Alpha-To-Beta shift begins in the sexual relationship.

By letting the sin of "Defend" pillage your conversation, you create an air of tension and social awkwardness. The girl will give you strange looks, and doubt your capabilities of authority and leadership as the captain of y'alls relationSHIP. This sin will arouse suspicion, and contempt in even the strongest of partner pairings.

Frequent defensiveness leads to women simultaneously shit-testing you more often, and distancing herself from you as she starts to lose attraction.

Explain - The Second Horseman

If it's simple things that make people curious, or just conversational "stuff" in general, it's okay. Never explain the choices you've made, or the way you act and behave. •What "Explain" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"So, what are you looking for here on tinder?" --- "I'm really trying to find the one, I've been looking around for a couple years and kinda had a dry spell. What about you? Oh she unmatched."

"Why did you ask me out?" --- "Well because you're reeeeally pretty and you're my oneitis so I figured, hewk, might as well give it a shot! Hey wait where are you going?"

"Why don't you go make a move on her bro, c'mon?" --- "What? Why should I? You know I'm shy bro, I haven't asked out a chick in like, 5 years, I'll look like an idiot!"

"Why haven't you taken out the trash?" --- "Because babe, it's hot outside, and I've been looking for my sandals, I'm going to get around to it."

"Where did you put the car keys?" --- "Well babe, I was in the shower, and then I went downstairs, and then I pet the dog, and now I can't find them!"

"Why did you leave the TV on again? --- "Well, honey, I was downstairs, then I went to grab a beer, then I saw you laying on the bed and we got busy, then next thing I knew we fell asleep. I hope you understand why I left the TV on now."

I did this, this, and that, what do you think?

I did this this and that, did I do a good job?

Puppy dog eyes, eager for direction and approval.

Numale soy grin. •Why People "Explain"

Humans have a need to be understood. Many men have made the mistake of continuously giving a woman one more bit of info, so they'd just "get it."

This is because when it's a man to man conversation, explaining normally works - one friend explaining to another why they did what they did, that friend nodding and saying "Ahh," then moving on to talking about something else.

Then we go and try to explain ourselves to women - forgetting that they don't communicate through reasoning, and we don't explain ourselves to our subordinates. You put her into a position to judge you - like your mother would. That's right, you explain yourself to your girl because you want to get your surrogate-mother's approval.

Finally, people think aloud in a concealed attempt to convince themselves that their decision was the correct one - hoping that by explaining themselves to someone else, they can get reinforcement of their choices through another's approval. She isn't your mother, nor on a pedestal, so stop looking up to her. Make a statement and shut the hell up.

You don't have to justify a reason for every action you take. Let others make their assumptions. Your actions will speak for themselves. •How "Explain" Punishes

Would you explain yourself to your 3 year old cousin, or daughter, or random snot-nosed kid on the street?

By committing the sin of explaining yourself to a woman, you instantly throw her into the role of authority. You give her the sub-communicative position of approving or disapproving your decision, and squander your credibility.

Even after hearing your well-thought out reasoning, women will still find a way to blame or chastise you. "Well you shouldn't have lost your sandals in the first place!" Explaining only welcomes drama into your life. Women will stand and stare, waiting for you to finish your explanation, then nod in approval or give you a verbal spanking like your mother would. Then they expect you to forever maintain this "bridge of open communication," with her, which really means they grow accustomed to you giving them status updates on your life, giving you shit if you ever stop seeking counsel with her, while they grow a side life of their own, in eager search of a new mystery.

The more you explain yourself to women, the more they will intentionally misconstrue your words and confuse themselves, because they want to keep the conversation going and eventually, as they grow bored, cause drama for your weak-ass. You're going to be hearing a lot of "so, basically what you're saying is..." until it leads up to yelling and arguing.

Excuse - The Third horseman

You know what you did, but you reject responsibility. •What "Excuse" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"Why were you late to our date today!" --- "Babe, I was stuck in traffic, it wasn't my fault!"

"Why don't you go flirt with that girl?" --- "Psh, she's not my type, plus she's probably a slut anyways. And besides, I'd have to walk all the way over there. It's not worth it."

"Okay, well why don't you go ask that girl out?" --- "What? C'mon man, I'm not Red Pilled enough yet. Once I can squat 225, and I know all the iron laws by memory, then I'll ask her out. I'm just not ready yet!"

"What! That girl is so your type!" --- "Yeah well I don't feel like going over there man, my legs are numb! I had leg day today!"

"Why didn't you try to close that sale?" --- "Dude, you KNOW that guy wasn't going to close - I couldn't have changed it, guys like him never wanna buy."

"Weren't you supposed to pick up the kids an hour ago?" --- "I didn't do it on purpose, I just so much other stuff to do!"

"Why did you jump off the cliff?" --- "Everyone else was doing it!!"

"Why did you cheat on me?" --- "She made me do it!"

"Why didn't you go to the gym today honey?" --- "Ahhh babe you know how tired I get from work... then I gotta come home, take a shower, change my clothes, I'll go tomorrow - twice as hard."

"Didn't you tell me you were a rich club owner with a fancy condo suite, wheres your nice car?" --- "No no no babe, I said club PROMOTER... trust me the money is coming... I just uh... gotta cash in on a few investments first."

"Why did you get fired from work?!" --- "Jesus, I knew I shouldn't have worked with that BASTARD! This is all his fault! He's the cause of all this!"

Frightened face.

Look of anguish, worry, possible sweating.

Sleight of hand misdirection equivalent to a top tier magician - anything to keep attention off oneself.

Avoidant eye contact, shrugging shoulders, high pitched voice.

Looking like a bitch for using a bitch's communication tactic. •Why People "Excuse"

We make excuses when we want someone or something else to be responsible, rather than claiming that responsibility for ourselves. Often, it is to avoid uncomfortable feelings of overwhelming pressure - and a feeling of being attacked. They fear failure, and are deathly terrified of confronting failure. People will quickly shift the focus of the attack to someone or something external to feel a sense of relief, or absolvement.

This is because they live inside of a victim-mentality - where they are a pawn in the game of life that other people take advantage of, or cosmic circumstances screw them over regularly.

Or, it's because they realize some people actually do have problems, and fake a "woe is me" attitude to weasel their way into sympathy, attention, and forgiveness. Another excuse maker's rationale is because they are just lazy. Their priorities are not aligned, and rather than accomplishing what needs to get done, they procrastinate and then blame their failures on the sky wizard. •How "Excuse" Punishes

When you give a woman an excuse, you are subtextually screaming "I can't handle the responsibility! Please forgive me!" Essentially, you tell her that you're a child. Once that's been said, you surrender power and give her the opportunity to accept or reject your excuse.

Give excuses to anyone enough times, and they start to figure out your word means jack shit - that you are not reliable, untrustworthy, and ultimately full of shit. But this isn't just about other people - the sin of excusing ruins YOUR life. You lose your initiative, and let opportunity slip away.

Not only do you repulse the woman by putting her in a position of power over you - you also frustrate her with your inability to accept responsibility and lead. The woman will lose respect for you, and you can say goodbye to her tingles.

Rationalize - The Fourth horseman

The fucking hamster. The more you try to convince yourself of some bullshit, the more the hamster wheel spins. •What "Rationalize" Looks Like

"Why haven't you paid the bills?" --- "Well you see, I was going to pay the bills, but I was waiting for YOU to come home first! Yeah, that's it, totally not my laziness."

"Are you available?" --- "Ooh, I got my aunt coming over, then I gotta mow the lawn, then I gotta get ready for my dogs funeral, she was a shitzu, then I gotta do all sorts of things, I'm really busy I just can't make it!"

"I thought you were going to quit shooting heroin!" --- "Babe I couldn't do anything to stop it, my friend brought over the needle and it just happened!"

"Why did you do that to me?" --- *"I wasn't trying to hurt you, I was just trying to teach you a lesson! Besides what I did is better than what I WOULD HAVE done."

"So, did you get accepted into that college?" --- "Nah, they rejected me, but honestly I didn't even like that school that much anyways. They were a backup plan."

"You're such an idiot I'd never fuck you!" --- "Oh there must be something wrong with me if my oneitis won't fuck with me what will I do!?"

"So you smoke weed for the medical benefits?" --- "Yeah man, it like, cures seizures, and makes anorexia vanish, and it makes anxiety go away, not that I ever had any of those symptoms, but weed makes sure they never happen in the first place!"

Dazed look of confusion.

Genuine fireworks going off in one's eyes.

Breathing from mouth and gazing into the distance.

Shocked look on face. Open and surprised posture. •Why People "Rationalize "

A person rationalizes AFTER the fact. A decision or choice is made, then the rationalizing happens afterwards.

This is because of a human need for consistency - we need to have things align in our lives, so if we've made a bad decision based on an emotional state of mind, we will rationalize why it was the right decision afterwards, to remain congruent and consistent with our beliefs.

People want to feel justified, and righteous of their decision, no matter how bad, in order to preserve internal integrity and outward appearances. This is the height of convincing oneself through mental gymnastics. Because you realize you made a bad decision, but are fearful of accepting responsibility and enduring the repercussions, so you choose to jump through flaming hoops to convince yourself of why you made the right decision.

As such, rationalization always comes from a SUBJECTIVE observation of a situation, giving the rationalizer the greatest opportunity to convince themselves of what-ever it may be.

It's used to create an active block against feelings of guilt, shame, and failure. •How "Rationalize" Punishes

You will begin to rationalize the most self destructive and stupid behavior, once you let yourself stoop to that low.

In addition, people who rationalize the most have the most tedious, frustrating and unfulfilling lives. Because, although all their rationalizations do provide some emotional comfort, they also make them completely deluded when it comes to reality.

Essentially, you become a bitch, a woman - and unless the girl you're fucking is Bi or a lesbian, she's gonna see you as less of a man and lose attraction and respect for you.

Now, you are aware of the four horsemen.

With that knowledge, you may reclaim your power.

A great power, one that only Red Pilled men can wield - to call upon the Argument Archangels and DARE your woman!

DARE them with fervent might, and reap the valuable rewards.

Deflect, Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify, Repeat, Exit...

The four saviors of amending arguments.

Deflect - The First Archangel

The Pressure Flip. •What "Deflect" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"You're just another fuccboi, aren't you?" --- "Why? Is that what you like?"

"No, they always find me, but I hate them." --- "I bet you're filled with hatred."

"What the hell, why would you say that?" --- "Black nails, that little choker... tell me, on average, how many times a day do you just wanna scream 'Fuck these niggas!' huh?"

"OMG, that's how I feel at work EVERY DAY." --- "Yeah I bet, tell me more about that..."

"Why aren't the dishes done?" --- "Cus you're not in the kitchen babe."

"What?" --- "You heard me, go take care of it." --- "Okay, yes sir."

"I have a boyfriend," --- Completely ignore what she said and continue talking.

"ARGHH OH MY GOD IM GOING TO BE LATE WHY DID YOU WAKE UP SO LATE!!" --- "Uh uh, you know it's not really my fault, that idiot in front decided today was a good day to crash. Now if YOU wanna get out MY car and walk, that's fine, but you're not going to take it out on me. Don't do that again."

"ARRRGH, you're right... I'm sorry daddy... BUT FUCK THAT GUY."

"Why are you wearing that color?" --- "Why aren't you?"

"I bet you miss me, don't you!" --- "Just your ass."

"Cus I have good tastes in clothing." --- "Oh, here I was thinking your mother dressed you up."

"Damnit, why haven't you taken out the trash?" --- "Oh I will, just turn around for a second... -smack her ass and scooch her out the door.- You got it babe!"

"I want cookies and milk!" --- "You're a little baby." -Then give her a kiss.-

"You're kinda overweight, dont you think?" --- "Kinda reminds me of this story when I had an overweight luggage, they made me throw away 16 kilos of coke! I was sooo devastated."

"Wait, what the fuck? HAH! No but really you're kinda fat." --- "And you remind me of my needy little sister."

Simply changing the subject. •Why People "Deflect"

Red Pilled Men deflect / pressure flip because they understand women. Engaging in argument is a blue-pilled fools game to lose.

Deflecting what a women says is effective because it demonstrates that you are unphased by her whimsical non-sense, letting her teases and chastizings ricochet off you and bounce back to her. That's the second reason why you want to deflect, to give it right back to her in her cooter.

She won't be prepared for it more than 2 or 3 deflections. You want to keep going until you catch her off guard and make her stumble over her words. •How "Deflect" Rewards

Once the girl starts struggling over her words - you have demonstrated your social superiority and have shown that you are on a higher level than her, as her critiques or quips are completely meaningless - I.E. she has no power over you.

This will generate a fun and positive experience and interaction, in addition to generating arousal through small conflict. Finally, deflection keeps the attention off you and places it on where you want it.

Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify - The Second Archangel

Yeah, so what? •What "Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"You're really short," --- "What is it about short guys that turns you on so much?"

"I have a boyfriend," --- "I have a girlfriend, lets set them up and run away together. I just wonder who'd get the better deal..."

"Have you always been stupid?" --- "That's too hard for me to think about."

"I feel like I'm being replaced." --- "Nonsense, you'll always have a top tier spot on my harem."

"You really need a haircut." --- *"What the fuck? I'm bald! I've worn a wig this whole time. Come here pull it off."

"WHAT! No. I can't be with a bald guy... wait.. it's not coming off." --- "I knew you liked my hair, can't keep your hands off it."

"Awh, look at you trying to act all dominate," --- "Yeah, and look at you trying to hide that ass," -Smack her ass-"

"Jesus christ you're tall, hows the weather up there?" --- "I don't know, how bout you check the thermometer." -point at your dick.

"Are you just going to do nothing all day?" --- "Fuck yeah I am, if I work hard enough, I can keep this up for a full year!"

"You're such an asshole!" --- "Yeah I am, so what? Got little dingle berries hanging from the whiskers in my beard."

*Taking what a woman says, then agreeing with it and exaggerating it to clown level proportions. •Why People "Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify"

The point is, everything this woman has to say is all just a big joke. You're laughing and she's laughing. That's when you've got her. You've taken her negativity and turned it positive. It turns any negative comment into a game where you see how far you can keep going and making it over the top where you're basically making fun of her for saying something stupid or uncalled for.

At the very least, you agree with what they say, and it removes all power from their words. Yeah, you're a Red Pilled asshole, so what?

It shows indifference and it gives no power to accusations that are made against you. •How "Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify" Rewards

AAAAA leads to a solid foundation of cocky, confident frame. This signals to women that you are comfortable in who you are, that you don't give a fuck, and that you can handle social stress, all of which are subtle bumps to your SMV.

What you are saying under the surface of your witty banter is, "Don't ask me stupid probing questions. I will not dignify them with a real response."

This is the key to passing a shit test.

AAAAA responses allow you to maintain the cocky/funny frame, and gives her the freedom to fall into your frame that you are the indestructible mountain of masculine energy, safely knowing her emotional winds can't sway you any which way, nor bring you down.

That is one feeling that makes her wet.

Repeat - The Third Archangel

Say That One More Time! •What "Repeat" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"Where are we going out again?" --- "You'll know when I'm ready."

"What? Just tell me!" --- "I will, when it's time."

"C'mon! What if I don't like the place we're going!" --- "That's possible, looks like we'll find out!"

"Argh! I'm gonna go get ready." •Why People "Repeat"

Because you do not have to explain yourself, nor should you do it - especially to your subordinates. They need to trust your leadership and take solace in knowing that you have accepted the responsibility of making the decisions.

Explaining yourself becomes annoying, and so does answering the infinite questions of childr- I mean woman. It is better to firmly repeat yourself until they get the picture. •How "Repeat" Rewards

Repeating yourself is a subtle and effective way to establish a frame of "I am in command of this ship. Trust me." Remember, women WILL leave you if they believe you are not fit for their following. Give her the opportunity to trust you, and surrender fully to your leadership.

Once she does, you will have her unending admiration.

Exit - The Fourth Archangel •What "Exit" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"(Insert some dumb womanese here.)" --- You leave the room and engage in another activity.

"(She follows you into the room and says some more annoying shit.)" --- You continue whatever you were doing, effectively ignoring her. •Why People "Exit "

There are two ways to exit.

You can exit mentally, or physically. Silence is mental, leaving is physical.

The most important reasons for exiting is for your own peace of mind, and mastery over your time. With over 100 million women in my country alone, no one women is worth giving me any drama, stress, or annoyance greater than a tooth scraping against my dick. Even that is nearly a deal breaker.

Your life, at best, will last around 100 years. Now imagine how much of that time was already spent arguing, bickering, stressing over absolute bullshit that you could have applied towards more rewarding avenues of action?

All that wasted energy, wasted time, screaming about why ogling what a woman wears is misogynistic. Who gives a fuck? What does it matter, and more importantly, is this conversation worth the negativity and drama you're experiencing? HELL NO! And odds are, NO conversations with women are worth those depressive states.

Not only that, but exiting the conversation, whether mental or physical, keeps the power seated firmly inside your ballsack. YOU'RE the one who decides when shit starts or ends. YOU determine the rules of conversing, and YOU conclude what is worth discussing or not.

The last bastion of power is the willingness to walk away. •How "Exit" Rewards

Freedom.

And she'll probably come crawling back to you too. Maybe Even An apology blowjob.

Conclusion

Women in their happiest, most content state, are pee-pee poo-poo immature children who just want to be cute, adorable, and have fun.

You do not argue with a child.

The only way to win an argument with a woman is to CHANGE HER MOOD - NOT HER MIND.

Women do NOT look to you for explainations - like they are your leader.

Women do NOT look to you for reasoning - like they are your partner.

Women DO look to you for feelings, guidance, and leadership - like they are your follower.

Care for your woman, and you will find they behave similarly to a bubbly child - excited for fun and adventure.

When your baby daughter, young niece, or the baby next door calls you a poopey-face stupid-head, do you...

(Defend) You're not allowed to say that to me! Respect your elders! (Excuse) Besides I'm not one anyways. The real poopy faces live in Denver, so that's why I'm not one. (Explain) Do YOU even know what a poopey face REALLY is? A poopy face is... (Rationalize) I hope you learned your lesson - If someone raised you better, then you'd know not to say mean things to people!

OR DO YOU

(Deflect) No, but you have a poopy face right on your NOSE! (Agree And Amusedly Amplify) Now we both have poopy faces, only mine is bigger, so mine is a better poopy face. (Repeat) No, my poopy face is better. No, mine is better! Nope, you said I'm a poopy face, so mine is better! (Exit) You wanna be a poopy face too now? Okay fine now you are one, now give daddy and kiss on the cheek and run along to your room.

In a healthy sexual relationship, the submissive feminine women is subordinate to a competent, masculine male.

You, as the man, are the captain of the ship, and she is your trustworthy first-mate.

You were given the responsibility of being the ever knowing, omnipresent manifestation of masculinity, and she is the flowery child, impulsive, curious, emotional, and silly, but most of all, eager for definitive direction from a strong authority figure.

If at any point these roles switch, there will be hell to pay.

Ensure you remain the confident captain of your relationship by remembering to never DEER, and always DARE the woman you're with.


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[–]Cha_Cha_cho 198 points199 points  (8 children)

Is this a copy and paste if another post? I remember reading this a year or so back. “Examples are italic” none of them are

[–]redpilledfox 122 points123 points  (3 children)

Yes, but it was removed. This is one of the greatest posts of all time here.

[–]dimmy666 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Huh. I knew this concept sounded familiar. It's a great repost, we could all use a refresher on core tenets like these.

[–]dkirkpatr 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The base is solid the examples can be a bit silly at times.

[–]Kingern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea why good posts are so often removed, sometimes less than a week after they've been up, sometimes years later, even after they've been highly commended.

It's a bastard when I bookmark them for later and by the time I get to read them they just say [deleted] and a string of interesting discussion comments.

[–]teabagabeartrap 16 points17 points  (0 children)

it is one of the married red pill sidebar postings.

[–]uebermacht 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Original post here: http://archive.fo/77yH9

[–]xKalista 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Looks like something u/VasiliyZaitzev would write. Great post

[–]reversec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I saw this post in the past but was gone in my history.

[–]Protocol_Apollo 141 points142 points  (5 children)

Way too many noobs have come here, the fact that they won’t bother reading an all time top post just because it’s long and detailed sums it all.

These are the same guys posting question after question on asktrp wanting a quick answer to a specific circumstance instead of understanding general principles first.

[–]grabyourselfabeer 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I have never seen this post before and it just blew my mind

[–]AnAbsoluteSith 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Understandable. It was removed (for some strange reason). I literally had to search for a screenshot version to re-read it before this

[–]sensual_predditor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

this is the equivalent of a 750 word text message it needs to be broken into sections

[–]BloodSurgery 156 points157 points  (3 children)

Holy fuck when the top comment is pretty much a "too long, not gonna read this" lmao. This is one of the oldest posts in TRP, and one of the core ones (no idea why its being reposted now tho).

Not everything needs, or can have, a TL;DR.

[–]no_its_a_subaru 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I had never seen this post before. Yes the formatting is shit but the info in it was worth slogging through it. I agree you on the tldr; You can’t always get the full story of a book thought a spark notes summary.

[–]Captain_Quick 29 points30 points  (0 children)

The content of the post is great, it's the formatting that's the problem.

[–]stoicbotanist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

TL;DR is for pussies. Well, as OP, it's good to summarize, but as a reader, it's for pussies. If you're on Reddit to just read TL:DR than you're on Reddit for pleasure and masturbation, not growth.

I do like to read TL;DR so I'm going into, but not to read it and just stop there.

[–]insomagent 35 points36 points  (0 children)

It's a great read, but please fix the formatting.

[–]Saun522 29 points30 points  (8 children)

u/LiveAFTSOV what's going on, u deleted this post a long time a go even though it was one of the top ranked posts ever, and now you suddenly re-post it?

Great content though

[–]3LiveAFTSOV[S] 40 points41 points  (7 children)

I think it automatically deleted it because I was inactive for like a year

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 23 points24 points  (0 children)

At least format it

[–]FrontloadPain 3 points4 points  (4 children)

The post ist great nonetheless. Are you the same guy who made those animated YouTube videos? I stumbled across them a while ago

[–]3LiveAFTSOV[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Yes I make those animated red pill videos. I'm working on the iron rules of tomassi now

[–]Noitrasama 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wait wait...where are the videos? Link pliz

[–]FrontloadPain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty cool! Keep it up, I think their quality is good and I'm sure you've already helped a lot of newbies

[–]Quantum_Pineapple 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Defensiveness validates accusations.

Shout it from the rooftops, brother.

[–]it-is-on 20 points21 points  (1 child)

this is a great post, albeit the examples are really bad. maybe it's a misunderstanding on my side but the examples are isolated where deer or dare are part of the same discussion:

Deer

  • She: why did you flirt with the waitress?

  • He (defend): what, I didn't flirt with her

  • He (explain): she was flirting with me

  • He (excuse): I'm sorry if I did something wrong

  • He (rationalize): I couldn't be mean to her when she tries to be friendly.

Dare

  • She: why did you flirt with the waitress:

  • He (deflect): what are you talking about?

  • He (agree & amplify): all women try to flirt with me, they can't help it.

  • He (Repeat): I told you, there is no problem here, you better stop

  • He (Exit): I guess I gotta go now, I have better things to do at the moment.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I like your dare responses bro

[–]UltimateCrypto 29 points30 points  (4 children)

This is gold. I just soft nexted a fwb for 2 weeks and fucked up by deering. She’s pulling back now. I instantly knew I screwed up, but this explains everything perfectly. I should have agreed and amplified how mad she was. Works every time.

What’s the best way to recover from deering?

[–]Helenoftroysboytoy 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Radio silence and moving on with your life

[–]namaJehf 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This, only way is tobmove forward

[–]majani 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This post is a bit hyperbolic. You WILL fall into argument traps here and there even with this knowledge in hand. I think there is an innate need to debate fellow humans from time to time. Just make sure to keep the argument short and get right back to DARE methods after you've relieved yourself.

[–]wviber 12 points13 points  (4 children)

My earlier framework was just dont answer logically to their questions. Thanks for sharing. This is definitely a better framework.

[–]catsdontsmile 14 points15 points  (2 children)

THIS is my problem. I'm highly argumentative and highly logical and I keep burning through fuckgirls by treating them as equals. I'm going to put this guide into test asap

[–]wviber 7 points8 points  (0 children)

been there. just stop caring a bit when conversing with them. you need two minds - logical for general audience, other one for girls. in fact, you can use the latter with general audience too to introduce some banter into logical conversation.

[–]5Imperator_Red 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same here. Once you reorient your thinking it gets easier. You have to stop viewing them as your equal. You wouldn’t try to logic a 12 year old or a dog.

[–]SomaNoob 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or don't answer at all lol

[–]uebermacht 9 points10 points  (0 children)

For anyone interested, here is the original post from a year ago: http://archive.fo/77yH9

[–]5Imperator_Red 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're just another fuccboi, aren't you?"

I’ve been to therapy for it. They said it was cured!

[–]1Ill_Will7 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Tl;Dr

The only way to win an argument with a women is to CHANGE her mood, NOT her mind.

[–]Flying_Wingback 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Complain should be added to DEER (CREED?)

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 4 points5 points  (0 children)

(Her) "Why aren't the dishes done?" (Me) shrug I didn't feel like it

(Her) "I feel like I'm being replaced." (Me) "Yeah"

(Her) "Have you always been stupid?" (Me) shrug yeah

(Her) "Wait, what the fuck? HAH! No but really you're kinda fat." (Me) That's not what your mom said last night.

(Her) "You're such an idiot I'd never fuck you!" (Me) "Good". Or, "OK"

(Her) "Why did you ask me out?" (Me) "Why not" or "Because I felt like it"

(Her)"I wish you would start doing the dishes." (Me) Don't feel like it. You can do them if you want though.

(Her) "Why haven't you paid the bills?" (Me) "Was lazy" throw my feet up on the couch

(Her)"I heard you like me" (Me) "No, you're fat"

These are usually my standard responses. Don't have the creativity or mood to come up with your funny guy statements. So I just say what enters my head. Usually stuff like that though that's really fucking blunt.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong though.

[–]Flying_Wingback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

aftsov before I read this I wanna say this will make a great whiteboard video

[–]Blesss 3 points4 points  (1 child)

is that “traffic” example really that bad? it seems like a matter of fact thing to me

[–]Zenithh_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, some things are a bit iffy. Like some things are genuine questions. Just pick and choose what you'd like to implement.

Just reading this post will put you leagues above other men though.

[–]johncillo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great classic! Thanks for bring it up again.

[–]Zenithh_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just these concepts alone have vastly improved my interactions with females, and I'm only 18. Found out about redpill when I was 16. I can't wait until I'm 25-30 when I have a plethora of girls I can play around with.

[–]1Self-honest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is from No More Mr Nice Guy by Robert Glover. Read the book.

DEER Response

DEER is an acronym I use for: Defend Explain Excuse Rationalize. These are all fear-based behaviors used to distract others from focusing on the Nice Guy's mistakes and "badness." The Nice Guy is most likely to go into the DEER Response when he has done something or failed to do something, and someone (usually wife, partner, or boss) confronts him and expresses his or her feelings.

[–]BillyRedRocks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welcome back, big guy.

[–]EliteAlmondMilk 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A toothed vagina good band name

[–]RightHandWolf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounds better in Latin: Vagina Dentata.

[–]catsdontsmile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This explains so much. Anyone has links to other must reads for trp?

[–]i4mn30 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This framework of sorts that you've laid out here - I always thought that DARE was something that politicians were born with. And now I have it and can use it.

Thank you for this. This platinum stuff.

[–]Redpiller77 4 points5 points  (0 children)

With some formatting more people would read this. It hurts to read it like this.

[–]GirlsAreReallyFeline 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"I want cookies and milk." - "You got it." Push her down, unzip and jizz in her mouth. The turn around and, "here come the cookies."

[–]TazzaRed 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So, if she says “ you suck “, I go “ ahah, no you suck “ innuendo face.

[–]eboyster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Alright I’ll look into now my bad

[–]NormalAndy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don’t agree that testing is the beginning of the end. Only responding with anything other than indifference seals that particular fate.

Testing is a necessary part of evolution.

[–]g0dfather93 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think it says testing is the beginning of the end if you get into DEER responses.

[–]NormalAndy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The surest sign of doom's arrival is the scornful tongue lashing from a toothed vagina. Once a woman in your presence argues with you, or tests you - the horsemen are coming to your doorstep.

imo, it's a sign that I'm going to get the wildest of rides later.

[–]Fakercel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck this is an amazing post

[–]fryhldrew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mate this is gold.

SOMEONE GIVE HIM GOLD ALREADY

[–]Noitrasama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This must be included in the 3rd edition. One of the best I've read so far.

[–]Kurokaffe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. AAA post. This is just pulling from basic red pill concepts but it puts it in an easy to digest way and imo having the acronym running through my brain will help (has already!) prevent fuck ups.

I definitely fuck up all the time and fall into a DEER mode trap. I think even if you’re confident and even if you’re not trying to compromise it’s incredibly easy to do the first two, defend and explain, at least. Since you’re in the “correct” and want to get your point across.

Used these principals literally today and it led to a much more positive interaction and morning with my girl. Again, it shouldn’t be anything complicated if you haven’t just discovered TRP or any kind of “game” reading in general, but it’s a super handy way to check yourself.

[–]XanJamZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a good post but damn could it use some formatting.

[–]Welendas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Repost?

[–]OfficialTechLead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gold.

In my experience, working hard, and becoming successful avoids DEER, such that you never really get into bad situations/make bad decisions. You are also surrounded by other successful people.

Also, if you essentially look down on people (because you are truly better than them), DARE naturally follows, and it is attractive as fuck.

Also this song (permanently stuck in my head at this point) helped drill and remind me of womens nature. They are just trolls, starting shit for fun (and to test you). So i'd say AAAAA is the best to remember if you had to pick one.

[–]BadDad01234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will read later lol. Good content tho

[–]geo_gan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some girl called me a poopy-faced stupid-head years ago and I never recovered from the ordeal.

[–]ChadThundagaCock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All this bullshit just for some pussy.

[–]aSmallRedRadio -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is some serious incel shit wtf

[–]amy123444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And y’all wonder why you’re getting banned?

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