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Compared to most entertainment activities, video-games are a very cost effective method of entertainment. Consider the cost of going to a movie theater or a bar, this can cost anywhere from 5$-15$ per person per hour. A day in whistler can easily cost 200$, coming out to 25$ per hour. Compare with videogames. After a ~300-600$ initial investment into a computer or console, games can be anywhere from completely free up to 100$ for triple-A titles. But each of these games offer anywhere from 10s to 100s of hours of entertainment. Assuming 1000 hours of play, this can give costs ranging from around 0.2$-5$ per hour. Significantly, outperforming the cost effectiveness of conventional activities.

Thus, for someone with limited disposable income, it makes more sense to play videogames. Poor people are priced out of more expensive activities, and wind up overrepresented in the gaymer demographic.

Given that poor people tend to have lower status, gaming itself becomes a low-status compared to other activities.

Things that are not explained by this hypothesis: Netflix.


[–]gunbusterxl🦄 Licensed Unicorn Hunter 🏹62 points63 points  (63 children) | Copy Link

Video games are low status because most women find them uninteresting. Sitting around watching Netflix is pretty much the same thing, yet that is not low status because women do it too.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Ding Ding Ding

Low class activities are always what women dislike in a mate and overall greater society. That's why it's almost always tied to income.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Which is why women can find genuine love for the rich guy and not the poor guy, while seemingly having nothing to do with the money

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

This is just horse shit. I feel sorry for the life you've lead that cause you to think this is a factual phenomenon.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

The money seems incidental, even though its essential. Basically this:

  • poor guy can only afford poor guy activities, which can be become repetitive and boring = boring experiences together

  • rich guy can afford to do cooler stuff together, those things (like skiing and other rich people shit) are exciting and much more fun = fun/very enjoyable experiences together

People fall in love mainly due to frequently shared enjoyable experiences with each other. Girl with rich guy can recall more enjoyable experiences together, falls for rich guy. It comes from the enjoyable shared experience, not directly the money.

Some women realise the connection, others may not.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Shitballs, my husband and I bonded over our mutual love of camping and canoeing. Not going to deny some women love money. If you don’t have a lot at least you will know the women who ARE attracted to you aren’t golddigging.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

How much does it cost to camp and canoe?

[–]Nodoxxintoxin1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

National Forest? Free or a five dollar parking fee a night if pit toilets are available . I owned the canoe, $100 for a second hand fiberglass from an outfitter. Tents? Cheap one is under $50 bucks I guess. We used to use his fancier one, he was an Eagle Scout, and mine for the dry food and stuff. Blow up mattress😏 20 bucks? If you take two vehicles you don’t need any outfitter fee. Gas to drive there and food. You bring all your food for the week, stuff it all in ice chests and pray you don’t capsize.

It does take some capital up front to camp, not gonna lie, but it’s super cheap in the long run and we both already had lanterns and cook kits etc. If you have the stuff you need you can easily do a tent camping trip for $100 bucks

Our first vacation was on the Blackwater River in Northern Florida and we camped along the shore. Spectacular . Supposedly the only white sand river in the US. We had been dating about 3 months. We’ve done that river two mores times after that.

We have a 1968 Airstream now and stay in state parks with flush toilets and hot showers. $4000 got the camper, we have volunteered at times in exchange for camp fees.

Camping for almost a month this coming February. It will cost about $650 bucks plus gas.

I haven’t thought of this in years. My ex almost killed me in a canoe. He swore he knew what he was doing and told the outfitter to take us to a “challenging” part of the river. Fucker hadn’t canoed since the lake in his Jewish day camp when he was twelve. Took a crane to get that canoe out too.

A man who has been an Eagle Scout is def the way to go! :)

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So roughly $200-600

So.... money. Case in point. your example follows my theory. Your passion/hobbies has a price tag attached to it. If he couldn't make that price tag, less enjoyment.

Other women's favourite activities and hobbies may carry a higher price tag. Even if they didn't know they liked those things before being introduced to them (by said rich guy)

[–]Nodoxxintoxin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it was MY canoe, not his. Might be why he was interested all along.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Camping for almost a month this coming February.

damn, to have that much vacation time. that is living the dream.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Made a half smart, half lucky real estate investment in my twenties. Parlayed that into enough to live a frugal lifestyle.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you think you need alot of money to create mutually enjoyable shared experiences I feel sorry for you. I literally keep women interested with conversation and sex. That's my lure, that's how I get girls to like me, that's how I keep them around. Talk to them, listen to them, fuck them like it's the end of the world every once in a while, and you find alot of loyalty

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is just like the typical 13 year old guy saying "yeah i fucked college chicks with my 9 inch cock in my lambo" with more mature wording.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Saying that I can get laid without money and that there are women out there in our poor ass paycheck to paycheck generation who don't care about money so long as you can successfully work and help like a partner is not revolutionary or implausible dude.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I also get laid without spending money (and have enjoyable time doing so), but you missed the whole point of my comment.

I was describing how a specific situation can occur from a “non-goldigger” perspective.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The comment you are replying to was not in response to you so I'm not really sure why you continued the conversation as if it was?

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay. Believe whatever you want to dude.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are many types of women. Find a new type.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Lol, like only low class people play video games.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are you implying it's a rich people activity?

[–]rus9384Misanthrope5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Many financially well people play video games.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

My point is that you'll rarely see an upper class or straight up rich person play a significant amount of video games, whereas an average joe would be far more likely. And you'll see more rich people playing golf, not much from the working class.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Golf is too expensive for plebs.

Most rich people still don't play it.

Rich people probably prefer travelling to video games, but that's what many people would like to do.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's weird to me how many rich dudes collect pinball machines.

[–]Mourning_Burst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, my grandfather was loaded (owned several condos and hotels, then his drunk business partner pissed it all away) had a basement full of pinball machines, and a current business contact also loaded, has pinball machines all over his house. Can confirm this odd phenomena.

[–]BABYCAKESxUNKILLABLE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How about reading as a hobby?

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it11 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

True, but on top of that there is a mentality that time spend on video games takes away time from dating and relationships. I don't think people have the same attitude about TV for some reason.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Because the bulk of gamers is made up of men with "poor luck" with women (not hot enough to compensate for the autism).

Obsessive gaming is usually a symptom of a poor social life not the cause.

It can be a cause too but the ratio is skewed towards guys who retreat inside because outside is hostile in ways they can't handle.

[–]brokegradstudent_933 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a vicious cycle. It’s both a symptom and a cause.

[–]CMOAN_MAYNE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can make this same argument about Netflix.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but outside is hostile they aren't wrong.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, being born a loser / non-dominant male sucks.

Case in point: last night I was chased by a dog for almost a mile. Finally scared it off opening my umbrella in its face (didn't actually hit the dog).

But it was a persistent fucker, wanted to creep on me and *gently* bite my leg.

Sure you can be vocal and confrontational, but if you lack presence eventually you just get your ass kicked.

The point of being confrontational, biological, is to show enough dominance where you preferably avoid conflict.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That or just actually fight, my friends that are scary big. They're not afraid of shit. They'll beat a cop with his own baton if he gets too fucking close. Same with someone's on gun at a bar if they cross the wrong line.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think people have the same attitude about TV for some reason.

People used to when it was nee

[–]The_Madmans_Reign18M2 points3 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't stem be low status by that logic? How about firefighting or being president of the US?

[–]gunbusterxl🦄 Licensed Unicorn Hunter 🏹6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

It is low status, in regards to attractiveness. Many guys with STEM careers will leave that off of their dating profile, because they get less matches with it on. Firefighters are considered pretty sexy, as is being President (a democrat one).

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I did that experiment with my own pics and got plenty more matches without any career than with a STEM career.

Same pictures and same bio too.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the advice given on the tinder sub is to put "Engineer", never programmer/software developer/software engineer. if you look like a greek god it could possibly work to have a dorky job title, but not as well as if you just left it off entirely.

[–]The_Madmans_Reign18M1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Women have been in STEM careers, but have never been a president. How does it make sense that status correlates with the amount of women participating considering this?

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

STEM women don't want STEM men.

They want lawyers, doctors, architects or, if he has to be an engineer, electrical / nuclear engineers, maybe construction engineers too.

[–]fevertree1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just false.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

the key is that the job has to be either physical, or one that commands respect. ideally both.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

IDK about the physical part. Are there still that many physically demanding jobs left out there? Police, Fire Dept., Army, commercial fishing, oil platforms and some construction?

I agree about the commanding respect part, it definitely helps attract people in general.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

a distinction being, physical work that isn't considered low class, such as janitorial or yard work type jobs. a carpenter, on the other hand, might get paid a lot less than a programmer, and isn't particularly prestigious, but i could see that as being a more attractive occupation.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Being a 21st century carpenter is not what I'd call a physically demanding job.
Maybe if you specialize in restoration work?
But if you can comfortably lift & carry 90 lbs and have enough motor control not to hurt yourself with a saw you can probably be accepted in any carpentry school to start with.

And as you said, a lot of these jobs bring in paltry sums of money. Often not enough to live by unless you're ready to move to a rural area.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

a construction worker then, or a farmer. even a lobster fisherman doesn't make as much money as most software developers. all of these jobs are sexier though. (i am a software developer, but it is what it is. i workout relentlessly in my free time to make up the difference, but i would still never mention my job in a romantic context. been burned too many times.)

then again, unemployed is a popular job title for men to have among the women on this sub, so who the fuck knows. maybe its all about how much free time someone has these days.

[–]gunbusterxl🦄 Licensed Unicorn Hunter 🏹0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's about women's general interest, not their amount of participation. I've yet to meet a woman who was even the slightest bit interested in computers, but have met many who had vested interest in the president.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

STEM is very low status. Unless a guy is a 9 or a 10, a STEM degree reduces your dating options by 20-30%.

[–]888Defiance888 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

If anyone devotes themselves into a career for status and reasons outside of it being what you really love to do it's going to be a lot of time wasted.

[–]inevitableworkout3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. If everything you do is because of women, you're helplessness. The joy a man has in his eyes when he's passionate about his mission resonates within all females around.

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Word! Kinda sucks when they don't coincide well tho huh...

[–]AI_WAIFUtake the weebpill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]DaphneDK42TEMC (Trans Exclusionary Male Chauvinist)5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sitting around watching Netflix 4+ hours a day is extremely low status. Especially if done alone.

[–]red-priestess≧◡≦0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This exactly. It was low class until a bunch of women started streaming games on twitch. They still are a low class activity to many men. I have had women friends tell me that they find their bfs playing games unattractive.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

shakes head sad how true this is.

[–]fevertree0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Neither of these things are low status until they are done in excess.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, plenty of women like games. Video games are low status because they are now universal. Any guy they meet they assume plays games, so if that's what you have to talk about it's a glaring red flag for how boring you are as a person and how little you have to offer that you need to bring up video games at all in conversation.

[–]Rabidstuffy15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Wtf does a day in whistler mean? And who says video games are low status? Losers who can't get laid and spend all their free time playing video games are low status but it's their loserdom that is the low status thing not playing video games.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think he means the resort. AKA where they held the 2010 olympics. It used to be easy to find 40 dollar tickets before that point but it got bought out and went from a ski town people went to to actually ski, to a shitty socialites paradise you see on typical "where are the good men" posts where post wall women hope to bag a trendy rich hot guy and wind up empty handed.

If someone is regularly going there in 2019 you can discount their opinions on basically any winter sport.

[–]Rabidstuffy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh thanks I never heard of it

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

to a shitty socialites paradise you see on typical "where are the good men" posts where post wall women hope to bag a trendy rich hot guy and wind up empty handed.

Good. I'll give them a 25% off coupon on a litter of Calicos and 2 years' supply of wine.

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cats and wine? Where do I sign up?

[–]Pontifex_Lucious-II13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Or people just like video games?

Why would I buy $7,000 set of golf clubs to “prove my status” when I don’t golf?

You know what else is cheap? A chessboard. Are all people who like chess low-status?

[–]SmurfESmurferson3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I actually find men who play chess hot. It takes a level of intellect and strategy that most people don’t possess

[–]Pontifex_Lucious-II1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good Smurf

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Smurfin’ Smurf

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah kinda.

[–]Pontifex_Lucious-II1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Huh what if it was chess-to-the-death?

Any pussies wet now?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Chad plays cribbage.

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Got a 19 hand here... "

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The Chad 29 hand, the virgin 4.

[–]sparksjoy 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying that video games are a "low-status" hobby?

That depends entirely on what type of games a guy is playing, how much time he invests, and how mainstream they are. A guy is not going to lose status over playing Madden with his friends on the weekends. Hell at some point that was pretty much a basic expectation for guys. It's not quite as popular anymore afaik but you're not going to lose status over that.

Playing Pokémon or something? Uhh yeah, that's a different story. Though most of my exes have been closeted Pokémon fans. They just don't go around shouting it from the rooftops unless a girl they like is into it too.

[–]StreetEntry2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That depends entirely on what type of games a guy is playing, how much time he invests, and how mainstream they are.

Why does the type of game and how mainstream it is matters? I agree with how much time he invests matters. As there's a difference in your whole life being about video games and that playing video games to relaxed/have some fun.

Playing Pokémon or something? Uhh yeah, that's a different story.

Is it? There are loads of people that love Pokemon and don't think less of you for liking it especially if the guy is young. Mind you the same can be said about Madden which is largely played by guys.

[–]sparksjoy 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree that it's stupid and arbitrary but that's the way it is. I'm a big fan of Pokémon myself (have played every generation in the series and will be getting Sword or Shield when it comes out) but as far as FSM and dating is concerned it's often more acceptable to be into some random crap like Candy Crush. As I said, fellow Pokémon fans won't care and may even appreciate you liking it but with people who haven't paid any attention to it since like middle school it's definitely not going to do you any favors.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But will it actually hurt your image if you are a fan of Pokémon? Not sure.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Its not games themselves, it’s specifically when guys direct all their masculinity into video games and porn and just live in that alternate universe like it matters. Just playing games alone doesn’t mean he’s like that. Women are just not aroused by men who act like a fake game is worthy of leadership, hard choices, assertiveness, teamwork, and other masculinity, while he acts like actual real life is a joke. It’s demonstrating he’s perfectly capable of mature masculinity and cooperation but he just thinks vidya matters more. And yes it’s likely because there’s less risk and fear of failure. But that’s why women don’t dig it. Not about economics. Men can play sports or do outdoors things almost for free and that is way more attractive.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

while he acts like actual real life is a joke

Way too many times it is. People kill each-other over trivial things all the time. It's a tragedy, but it's also dumb enough to be worth laughing at.

When we stop acting like apes who got down from the tree last week, maybe more of these men will take life as "not a joke".

I won't back out of a serious life-or-death situation.

But I'm also not going to get into a scrap with a drunken musclehead over bullshit just to prove my inner ape in front of the inner ape of some chick.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

6 day old account

brotherblackpillABC

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[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are way too picky.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater18 points19 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Netflix and Chill is a poor mans romance.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying thats how poor people romance or that it's a poor way of romancing?

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That's how us poor people romance.

I ain't go enough money to be taking bitches out to fancy dinners at taco bell🙄

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Taco Bell did win the great fast food wars.

[–]planejane 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Man, I thought this joke was hilarious the first 100 times I heard it, but like anything else Reddit killed it lol

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is nothing sacred??

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL, remember "Demolition Man" ?

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what I was referring to.

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Real talk: if a man took me to Taco Bell, I would probably love it. That is my favorite guilty pleasure food-like stuff

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The taco bell by me has been putting out better quality food then chipotle lately.

[–]Kos_-_Omak5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's because a LOT of low status nerds are really into videya games.

Chad isn't going to lose SMV points for playing Fortnite or whatever.

[–]Bestprofilename4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's because people who played videogames in the 80s were very likely to be social rejects. This was to some extent also true in the 90s. Now they're played by everyone but it'll take some time to shake that stigma. It will go eventually.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are there people who don’t play video games even around any more? I spend 90% of my day outside running around and even I’ve probably sunk at least 90 hours of my life into Skyrim and Rimworld

[–]kkohl981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rimworld is good one.

[–]DrOesi6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Disagree pretty much. Video games are low-status, because they just satisfy typical desires of guys without making them achieve anything. It doesn't do much beyond entertainment. Also many people who spend a lot of time playing video games lack social skills and often aren't very fit. That makes it low-status and unattractive for women.

Doing sports can also be very cheap, e.g., running. Still it is not seen als low-status. I would say that watching series is rather neutral/slightly low status. However, it isn't necessarily unattractive to woman, many women watch series too.

[–]AxeLond4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think this is kinda hitting on the same point, with gaming someone can spend 1000 hours and accomplish nothing. It's just a huge time sink, when I hear gamer that reads as "I spend all my time wasting away and haven't done anything with my life". There's limits to how much time a person can spend running, the body needs to rest and the absolute max would be running for like 2 hours every day. For the remainder of the day they still need to figure out something to do, so you can assume they probably have other interests and other things going on in their lives. If the first thing someone mentions is playing video games, then it's pretty easy to assume that that's going to be all they do, every day, all day.

Watching series is like a edge case, you can spend a lot of time binge watching TV shows, but there's only so many shows and it can't be all someone does. Stuff like Golf, Skiing, hunting are things you don't spend a large portion of your time doing. If someone say they, for example likes to golfing on their weekends, then you can assume that for the remainder of their week they have a lot of other shit going on, you get the feeling that they consider their time valuable and choose carefully how they want to spend their days. All of that is high status, playing video games is saying "my time is worthless and I just waste it away". However if you add a clause like "I like video games but I never have the time to play" or "I like to play whenever I get the chance to", "I wish I had more time to play video games" those things are generally fine to say and it's not viewed too negatively.

[–]Kos_-_Omak3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, it completely depends on the person doing that activity. There's nothing inherent about video games that means people are going to waste more time doing that than any other hobby or activity.

There are plenty of casual gamers who only play video games for maybe hour or two a week. And there are definitely guys who waste ridiculous amounts of time on things like golf. Hell, it takes about 4 hours to play a standard 18 hole round of golf, I know lots of golfers who do that multiple times per week PLUS a few hours at the driving range PLUS hanging out in proshops and finger fucking the newest clubs and gadgets and bullshit.

[–]chaddad90001 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Agreed there's no problem with games as a casual hobby. But video games are specifically designed to create a false sense of accomplishment and achievement, and contain all sorts of status markers which are only relevant to other gamers.

Golf is usually a social activity, and one of the few sports where older men can be competitive.

[–]Kos_-_Omak4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But video games are specifically designed to create a false sense of accomplishment and achievement, and contain all sorts of status markers which are only relevant to other gamers.

FTFY

I mean I like golf and play all the time. But it's pretty much the exact same thing. You spend hours hitting a little ball with a stick and success or failure is based on how many times you had to hit it before it went it. "Ohhh nice I got a birdie, oh fuck my life now a bogey, this is totally going to screw up my handicap" is just as pointless outside of a golf context as unlocking an achievement or whatever is outside of a video game context.

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably true esp for us hackers, but it is a male bonding activity. Which video games can be too, but they don't get you out of the house.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't hurt that golf is usually for rich people, where older men can work the machine that impresses women the most at his age: the ATM.

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me - there's this 30 yo girl at work who is in total husband-hunting mode. She was asking me what golf clubs I went to, like she was just go hang out there and get picked-up on.

[–]Rabidstuffy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What does watch series mean?

[–]DrOesi1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I meant stuff like Game of Thrones, Netflix, etc. It is also just non-social entertainment, but there are also plenty of woman doing it and I tend to say that people spend less time on it in total.

[–]Rabidstuffy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh TV. I just never heard it referred to that way

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of people achieve wquite a bit from playing video games

[–]strangelovesglassesstay still, eyes closed1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

gaming seems to be a middle class thing, not a poor thing as its expensive.

[–]CidCrisisPurple Soup0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean not really. If you're in like abject poverty, sure. But if you can afford a tv and a phone, you can afford a $300 console. (And that's if you're buying it new.)

[–]LordMitre1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

such a great post

[–]fevertree1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In that case, running should be even lower status because a good pair of shoes only costs $100.00.

[–]GlaceMarill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Videogames aren't a problem for me. They become a problem when it's all the guy wants to do and when he takes them too seriously.

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[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxj6q34fdtfcw3523 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's low status until you make it and start earning 100k/month playing stupid shit and broadcasting it to twitch. Obviously only a small percentage of people will manage to achieve it, but still.

[–]tritter211Pragmatic-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you might as well talk about lottery winners there. They made that much because they were placed before the start of the explosive twitch online streaming growth boom. Its like 0-100X in growth in a few short years basically.

Today the market is saturated with every dude and girl with a reasonable spec computer and internet connection.You might as well get a minimum wage job over attempting to do twitch streaming because min wage job pays more right off the bat.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerNot a Negative Creep1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

300-600? Pretty sure my desktop was like, 2200 when I built it, lol. PC gaming gets real expensive if you want to build something you won't want to replace in 3-4 years.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

up to 100$ for triple-A titles

Jesus they make $100 videogames now? Today's daily reminder of progressing oldness

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

$100 is for suckers who buy deluxe editions and day one DLC.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I used to think $45 PS3 games were too expensive back in 2012 and lost interest in video games around that time

If games are $100 now? Fool and his money no doubt separated

[–]gunbusterxl🦄 Licensed Unicorn Hunter 🏹2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I can guarantee that there are things you would pay $100 for that I would find ridiculous. How people spend their money is up to them.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course, but I mean games are double the price now vs when I was in middle school. But I don't believe they're twice as fun/good

[–]gunbusterxl🦄 Licensed Unicorn Hunter 🏹0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The price is more for the hardware and labor that goes into them (which is way more than twice as much as previous generations of game). If they're worth the cost is up for debate by most gamers. All my favorite games cost less than $25.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough

I liked the old battlefield games. They're simple, fun, and remind me of childhood memories

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

$100 is for the super-duper-golden-special-deluxe-bullshit edition.

I'd never buy that since most DLC is garbage and I barely have time to finish a game in two months with the little free time I have.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do you have to finish a game in 2 months? It's not a race, you can take as long as you want since it's you're game

Yeah DLC are pretty shit but kids with their parent's credit cards fall for it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If games are $100 now? Fool and his money no doubt separated

Hahah apparently not if you calculate by the hour!

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you calculate by the hour OP is right. 20 bucks will get you a few hours at the movies. 200 will get you an hour with an escort. 100 bucks can get you 100 hours. Or even just 30 to do the base game once.

[–]StreetEntry2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

AAA games are still $60 on release or that prerelease.

[–]Chaos-Knight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who the fuck buys all their games at release prices? I haven't paid more than 30$ for any game in years, almost all that 100$ shit is discounted by 75% within one or at the most two years and there are already more excellent games at that price point out there than you can ever hope to play.

[–]DaphneDK42TEMC (Trans Exclusionary Male Chauvinist)0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Video games can also be incredible time expensive, and will lead to no personality growth or to acquiring any skills worth having. Movies are 2-3 hours, and often have some educational value. Also going to the movies has a socialising aspect. Same as going to the bars of course. You go out and meet and interact with other people.

In the 80s & 90s the losers would sit alone at home and watch rental movies. Thats more comparable to today's gamer boys.

The equivalent would be to sit alone and watch

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea you definitely aren't wrong about video games being cost effective. Video games are just one way for struggling guys to cope with. There definitely isn't economic discrimination when it comes to gaming though. The rich low status men and the poor low status men are still coping with the same xbox or the same game.

[–]ontherailstoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Video games are in general low status because most of them are calculated to be pleasing and absorbing of your attention even if you're crap. you're learning nothing and you're staying crap. Most video game players are not truly competing, they're buying a framework under which they will continue to receive little shots of dopamine at intermittent intervals whether they improve or not. It is like vaping, having a bottle of caffeinated carbonated beverage you drink from, drinking beers at your local pub, watching reality TV, that sort of thing.

Anyone who is poor but wants a step up from that level of disreputable degeneration needs to switch at least in part to to cheap pastimes that at least involve learning stuff or confronting actual success/failure. Get yourself a 50 cent pencil and a piece of paper and draw some pictures, read a library book, learn to play harmonica, learn to play a less forgiving game like chess, get a ball and go shoot hoops with friends.

[–]subgamer90My own way is the best way0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Netflix and casual gaming are for betas who just wanna sit around and be entertained. Competitive gaming is for Chads

[–]airtightgrandma0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re a special kind of stupid, huh?

[–]AI_WAIFUtake the weebpill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lmao

[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking you were going to make an interesting point about how advertising attempts to make us feel this way about video games.

[–]WhisperTotally LARPing. Really.0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. Video games are low-status for the same reason role-playing games are.

For most players, they are power fantasies. And who do power fantasies appeal to? Those who lack power in their own actual lives. This is why low-status losers like video games.

However, as computers increase in power, video games begin to have the option to appeal to other urges as well, such as the human urge to explore (which became available once environments could look different and be new and exciting), or the human love of stories (which became available once a game could contain enough data to tell a compelling story).

Other examples might include the satisfaction of mastering a skill, or the satisfaction of interacting with (or competing with) others.

So once a sufficient number of players, who aren't losers in life, come to video games seeking something other than a temporary escape from a failed existence... then video games will gradually shed this stigma. It's already starting to happen.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

or the human love of stories (which became available once a game could contain enough data to tell a compelling story)

It's weird to me that you fold in role-playing games (I assume tabletop?) and then come out with that. I played a lot of tabletop RPGs as a kid, not just D&D but Shadowrun and WW etc., and the whole point was collaborative story telling.

[–]WhisperTotally LARPing. Really.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tabletop roleplaying games are only ever as good as the people playing them. And the unfortunate thing about nerds is that 5% of them are the best people humanity has to offer... and the other 95% are socially obnoxious clods.

So most tabletop RPGs end up being the sort of story that socially obnoxious clods want to tell.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit.

Video games are hyper stimulating, that's why they're popular.

Women aren't stimulated by video games, women see men's attention, time, money and ambitions being sucked by video games. In short, men are not spending their resources on their women or their status, that's why women dislike it and label it low class or losery.

[–]windyautumnday0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Video games are low status because they are low in effort/difficulty. It takes effort to analyze books and film, more still to learn a language, instrument, or sport. Effort shows character - determination, courage, patience.

[–]vileoatRussian mafia1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What about a casual movie watcher? Like majority of people I know come to cinema to watch new Spiderman and call Bergman "boring shit".

Source: Cinematography -disscution club owner (me)

[–]windyautumnday1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just think of that as a null trait. Watching movies, playing video games, and eating pizza are just... things humans like. They're easy for us, they play on our natural desires to be comfortable and entertained and fed. And it's easy for them to get excessive, which turns them into negative traits.

Anything you have to work a little for is going to be more appealing... it's subjective, but I have a line between what I consider leisure/downtime activities and hobbies/interests. Movies you have to think about vs. latest Marvel, classic literature vs. YA page turners, learning an instrument vs. listening to music, cooking international cuisine vs. liking Thai takeout... you get the idea.

Another interesting metric is what value you can provide to others through your interest. If I learn something from hearing you talk about it, I consider it a hobby. It's neat to hear people talk about building computers in Minecraft, it's boring to hear someone swear at their CoD team. Still a subjective measure though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that is only true for console peasants tho. PCMR hardware barrier of entry is around 800$ and can go up to several grands, without taking into account the potential technical barrier of entry

[–]Thehebben0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Video games arent low status close to every guy play them . Some games might be low status because you need invest alot in them

[–]TheMarbleSlab0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

The library is free and provides entertainment for $0 an hour and I would highly prefer a man who reads books.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Libraries also carry video games now.

[–]-Mavs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the shitty outdated ones like Vectorman or Remember Me by Capcom.

[–]TheMarbleSlab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You still have to pay for the game system

[–]Daffan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why not reading wikipedia?

[–]TheMarbleSlab1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s interesting stuff there. Why not.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit. You would prefer an attractive man who reads books.
And what if the books are about nerdy subjects like signal wavelength encoding or inert gas chemistry?
It's like the old saying: "You don't like nerds, you just like Chad with glasses."

[–]TheMarbleSlab1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. I prefer a guy who doesn’t play video games and reads books instead. Ugly or not ugly.

[–]SlashCo800 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Heh, this reminds me of those TV shows where the "nerd" is just as hot as the rest of the cast, except for wearing glasses. That's who they're imagining.

[–]Stevefr0mYellowstone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's basically the entire premise of the movie "She's All That". Take a girl with model-quality looks, put glasses on her and she's a nerdy loser. Take the glasses off and OMG she's beautiful!

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My library doesnt have enough books

[–]TheMarbleSlab0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry to hear. Some places are crappy. Can they ship books from other libraries though?

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think...

[–]ruhend0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Video games are "low-status" because they provide an artificial goal for people(mostly men) to spend their time pursuing, sometimes to the extent of treating it as a full-time job or more. The stigma that comes with games is that they are shackles on a person's potential in society and in relationships, not that they are cost-effective. Other forms of entertainment are relatively or entirely passive comparedly, they do not sap the same type of potential from people.

[–]brotherblackpillABC 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

The stigma that comes with games is that they are shackles on a person's potential in society and in relationships

Gamers are not born tethered to a gaming console.
They try to make friends but they are rejected for not being top dog.
They try again and start getting harassed and bullied.
So they retreat into video games or other solitary/nerdy activities.

Most of these guys have zero potential for society and relationships unless they invent some cool new thing.
At which point people try to take the cool new thing from them and push them back under their rock.

Their only chance is to become an Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos or John Carmack.
And that's a one in a million chance, even for a very talented nerd.

You're confusing the cause with the effect.

[–]SlashCo800 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their only chance is to become an Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos or John Carmack.
And that's a one in a million chance, even for a very talented nerd.

More like one in a billion.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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