This post explains exactly why I never understood why RPWs claim they don’t want a TRP/MRP

This post is one positive post among many complaining about women. TRP/MRP are gathering spots for men to learn from each other and to nurse their emotional wounds. Until they come out of the unplugging process on the other side, they are not fit to be anyone's partner. The idea "RPW are not necessarily looking for TRP men" is because most TRP men are not in a place to be dating and certainly not with the same goals that RPW typically have. A good number of them also want nothing more than to spin plates. I have no problem with that desire BUT I can't encourage women to go looking for men who are in that mindset.

A TRP man who has accepted female nature and is back to liking women AND have their life squared away (driven, confident, fit) is going to make great partners for some woman if he chooses to settle down. It doesn't reflect the majority of the membership of TRP at this point in time.

Now MRP may be different but these are men who are already in relationships. The ones in problem relationships have not shown their ability to lead and maintain an RP relationship or they wouldn't be looking for answers on MRP. Now once they have come out the other side then sure. But there is a higher bar of vetting for a man who already had one failed marriage.

So you don’t think you like dread game? What’s the other option?

Passive dread is necessary. He must continue to be awesome as a manner of keeping her interest and keeping hypergamy at bay.

However, active dread for ones wife... I won't claim to know whether that works or not. I suspect that it depends a whole lot on the individual people in the relationships. In the last couple weeks a woman came on here to discuss her man being on MRP and the failing of the relationship. They both had a post history so you could get a good idea of the relationship. They both f-ed up. One of the more interesting comments was that while he thought he was dreading her and getting this porn star level sex, she was miserable and thinking about cheating. Active dread can certainly be implemented in terrible ways that are short sighted for the long term viability of the relationship. If it gets the man what he wants in the short term but destroys the woman's love for him, does that count as it working?

It is possible to be a strong man without causing your woman anxiety. I know this because my husband does not engage in dread with me and I do not see him as weak. I see this with friends of ours. The stronger marriages have men who are dominant relative to their wives. I don't know of any who actively dread their women. The women still trust their husbands to lead. That is because over the years, these men have proven themselves over and over. When they fail, they get back up. When a situation calls for it, they rise to the occasion. They place their wives and families in an important place in their lives.

The key is that these men (and women) chose correctly to begin with. The people in failing marriages seem to have not chosen correctly to begin with OR they have not maintained their masculinity within the marriage. That isn't a point in favor of MRP as a guide to a strong marriage. That's MRP as relationship therapy for a problem marriage which I am entirely in favor of but it is not necessary to have a man who knows anything about RP for him to be a "captain".

I maintain that if you truly want to be red, you have to at least read MRP. Learn what men want, you don’t have to like how we think but the red pill is truth above feelz.

I'm a fan of RPW reading the sidebars of TRP once they have a feel for theory from the women's side. However, there is still the "ask the fisherman not the fish" idea to contend with. Men (and women) are brainwashed against our own natures. Is it best to ask the men who are shaking off the brainwashing still what men want? There is an old post from RedPillSchool that talks about men thinking whatever they are able to get in a woman is what they want in a woman. His point is that men don't always know what men want. Men are thirsty and will claim to want whatever has gotten them laid in the past. So to "ask the fish" stand a chance of getting you flawed advice.