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Red Pill ExampleIn a rare moment of drunken honesty, a poster in r/TwoXChromosomes admits she prefers assholes to nice guys (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by fizolof

Here's the thread. I know it won't be anything new to you guys, but I just think it's satisfying to know that even on 2XC you can sometimes read the truth.

If she wasn't drunk, she would probably be one of the women saying "you should be nice to a woman and respect her if you want her to like you", but instead she has a moment of self-awareness and writes this:

I am used to assholes. I don't consciously choose them, but it's easier to find them because I'm far more comfortable with a physical connection than I am with a mental/emotional one.

I'm not proud that that is the case and I am trying to mend my ways, but it's the truth. When it's between an attractive 'douche' and an attractive 'nice guy' it's easier for me to go with the douche because I know what he wants. It's straight-forward and unspoken. It's easier.

Here's the brutal (and embarrassing) honesty for me: I am legitimately uncomfortable when a nice guy gives me attention because I would rather that I am turned down by an asshole than a nice guy. If an asshole gives me a lot of attention and then ditches me, I can handle that. After all, he's a douche bag. But if a nice guy gets to know the real me and then leaves...that's when the little vulnerable girl in me comes out worried that maybe me, who I am at the core, is unlovable.

I really hate that that is true, that that is how I feel...but it's far scarier for me to get rejected for who I am than what I look like.

What do you ladies think? Same perspective or totally different?

She isn't even saying that she chooses assholes because they tend to be more attractive, she's literally saying that when choosing between an attractive nice guy and an attractive asshole, she will choose the asshole.

Predictably, the comments are full of women saying "I feel exactly the same!". Although there was some idiot repeating that stupid "nice guys are really jerks" mantra (seriously?), some guy also made observation that this is exactly what causes men to become assholes. Other interesting comments (from women) are:

For the most part, I just genuinely find the douchebag more attractive than a nice guy. A lot of traits that people describe as douchey are just really hot to me. I don't care if a guy is loud, assertive, overconfident, etc, as long as he doesn't treat me like crap.

And:

Assholes get laid because women know what to expect. They aren't expecting prince-charming and they are okay with that. A nice guy doesn't get laid because the women is waiting out for them because they see them as something long-term. Basically, being an asshole will get you laid, being a nice guy will get you the relationship. If you just want to get laid, be an asshole. It will work, eventually.

This is probably one of the most reasonable threads on 2XC.


[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 85 points86 points  (7 children)

Better off being an asshole to women. Not even they think they deserve a nice guy. If they don't think they deserve a nice guy and are too scared to confront that (as it could lead to rejection/actual self-awareness for them) then they don't deserve a nice guy. If you don't think you deserve something and don't make sure you go out and get it, or at least try to get it, then you don't deserve it. On top of that, they actually outright prefer assholes. As a wise philosopher one said "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks!"

Ignore what they say and watch who they fuck. Nice guys finish last and Chad Thundercock's just starting up for round two on the cheerleading squad. I save my kindness for men. At least they can appreciate it. Women, nah. "Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen."

[–]loin_fruit 22 points23 points  (6 children)

It's crazy how they consider you an asshole when all you have to do is put them in their place and not suck up to them. Keep em guessing and show abundance. Just like that and you're referred to as an asshole. It's crazy.

Goes to show you that if that's all it takes to be called an asshole, it shows how often they are getting their asses kissed. It's all they're used to. Pathetic.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

correct. treat a woman like you treat a man and youre an asshole, treat a woman like she's a woman and you're an asshole. try and find that balance that they say they want and youre a wimp. >:)

[–]loin_fruit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fucking feminists. Maybe they are feminists, just to thoroughly filter out looking for Alphas even more than normal women do.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

well observed, unfortunately no single man will be alpha over the government and media, which is where the feminist consensus comes from.

[–]Mihawk01 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This.

Those nice guys they talk about are pussified/feminised betas, whil assholes they talk about are just normal men who know what they want, fuck around a bit, and just generally do not follow their feminist ideology. Be this asshole.

[–]loin_fruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God damn right. It's really not all that hard to be an asshole in their eyes. Plate of mine called me an asshole a couple weeks ago. All I've done is not kiss her ass. Keep her guessing. And just hit her up once a week or once every two weeks. Don't show your feelings.

Just treat her how you treat your friends and suddenly you're an asshole. Shit is fucked up.

Maybe they're hoping that by calling us assholes we fold and go "oh man maybe I'm a bit rough. Maybe I should start telling her all my feelings." Fuck that. Keep doing what you're doing. Never stop. They love it and they will always love it.

[–]BrunoOh 368 points369 points  (61 children)

It's why I feel sorry for women. I can't imagine living with such a dissonance between who you're attracted to and who you want to be attracted to.

It's like only getting a boner when a girl is mean to you. That's what I imagine it is like.

[–]LibertarianLibertine 147 points148 points  (23 children)

You're close. It's a dissonance between who they are attracted to and who society claims they should be attracted to.

By socieity, I mean of course the society shaped by modern-day feminists.

[–]1Yakatonker 44 points45 points  (13 children)

Its meant to be that way, they're meant not to know their own innate desires so as to externalize and counteract them. The institution of marriage was for that, to marry them of in their prime so that they could mold the putty like minds of young men into stable LTRs for Matriarchal society(feminist society). Feminism has effectively sent female hypergamy into overdrive, meaning they're not respecting 80% of the male populous and no matter how hard the blue pill is, it'll eventually translate into an exodus of blue pilled men from LTR relationships which is helping to tear down the institution of marriage which is presently raping the boomers. Generation X+ is smarter with regards to female disrespect, and every generation after will continue thanks to the information highway that's the internet.

Conclusion is that women are being with intention, programmed to ignore a majority of men, to free men from the social molding they'd receive in a LTR. Feminism is liberating 80% of men from their traditional gender roles and giving added value to our lives as we spend it in the pursuit of self development, knowledge or for some pursuing more rewarding hobbies(gaming) then the pathetic return on investment that is outputted by the modern female. Not only that men who're the primary earners in society are having that responsiblity shifted and placed onto females who're expected to be at 50% of all major earners sometime in the future, or at least that's what G7 governments are trying to bring about.

[–]neveragoodtime 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Feminists taught men that qualities of successful men, confidence, assertiveness, decisiveness were qualities of assholes. So nice guys dropped those traits, and the only guys left with those successful qualities that women were attracted to, were assholes. Surprise, women are attractive to successful men. Joke's on the feminists.

[–]1Yakatonker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those things still exist in men particularly in their hobbies and work, however those things have been weakened in the common man with regards to his social exchanges, particularly with women. Assholes are people too, but they're assholes because these men don't have respect for others because of their perception of success in accumulating materialist garbage to appeal to the opposite sex.

You definitely nailed it with the jokes on them, "alphas" or red pillars who waste time and resources on women waste so much catering to the female taste. Personally I have so many other things I'd put my resources to then on someone who couldn't ever emotionally care for me or even be equally loyal to me for my expended efforts. However that's my own personal point as a MGTOW, its fine and all if others cater to the feminine taste if they find self fulfillment in it.

[–]OakTr3E 17 points18 points  (8 children)

We are "the beautiful ones" (referring to the famous rat study). At least those of us who go mgtow or are incels. Including BP:ers when referring to "we".

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    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    The evolutionary dropouts.

    "Though they looked inquisitive, they were in fact very stupid."

    [–]14789632587412369 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    they were in fact very stupid.

    Based on what criteria was their intelligence judged? Not being willing to do the intelligence tests they were subjected to?

    [–]Modredpillschool 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Its meant to be that way, they're meant not to know their own innate desires so as to externalize and counteract them. The institution of marriage was for that, to marry them of in their prime so that they could mold the putty like minds of young men into stable LTRs for Matriarchal society(feminist society). Feminism has effectively sent female hypergamy into overdrive, meaning they're not respecting 80% of the male populous and no matter how hard the blue pill is, it'll eventually translate into an exodus of blue pilled men from LTR relationships which is helping to tear down the institution of marriage which is presently raping the boomers. Generation X+ is smarter with regards to female disrespect, and every generation after will continue thanks to the information highway that's the internet.

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    [–]rztzz 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Not exactly.

    It's more like people who don't enjoy eating salads and vegetables. Everyone knows that, long term, it's better to eat a salad with chicken than a brownie. But a lot of people still want the brownie. That is what women do when they go for alpha assholes, they are eating the brownie.

    It is absolutely in her best interest to pick a man that will provide for her by sharing all his resources down the road. But in the short term she gets no pleasure.

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      [–]rztzz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      nice guy means he wants to provide for me and will therefore ask for things in return.

      asshole means he's self-centered and usually just wants sex, nothing more, meaning she knows what she's getting and prepares herself for it.

      [–]OakTr3E 44 points45 points  (5 children)

      To be fair. To find a similar trait in men. A lot of us have a tendency to want to take care of weak women. Women who are emotional and fragile and need support. This means more work for us but we feel good helping out. One subterm of this is "Captain save-a-hoe". But it could also be true for women with less n count. As long as they show weakness/neotenous traits it affects our male instinct to get attracted to them and take care of them.

      Women are attracted to dominant independent men with power even if they are jerks and sometimes/always treat her like shit. Men are attracted to fragile women because its necessary for human reproductive strategy.

      You can't just have dominant, aggressive, individualistic men who fuck women over. A psychological trait must be inplanted in the male mind so that a switch can flip in men when they encounter women and/or children. This flip can come in the form of attraction/love because it isn't logical for the individual to be more attracted to someone just because they are weak. It´s logical for the reproductive strategy. Babies are weak, women are weaker when needing to take care of a child. Playing weak as a female can trigger affection whether its real weakness due to needing more resources for offspring or fake weakness (visually cute, appearing innocent) to secure males beforehand.

      Therefore it makes sense from the individual female to display traits of weakness.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      A lot of us have a tendency to want to take care of weak women.

      This was true of me in my BP days, but when I sat myself down and got my shit together I realized that what fully flips my switch is strong, independent, capable, sexual, confident, emotionally mature, not crazy women. Pity they are so rare they may as well not exist!

      [–]tallwheel 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      strong, independent, capable...

      And many of the women who claim to be all of those things turn out to be anything but.

      [–]usernameson -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      They become even more rare when you assume that there are so few of them out there.

      [–]fizolof[S] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

      Yeah, fortunately I (and other men) find nice girls to be more attractive than mean ones.

      [–]Tachyon9 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      This is so damn true. Girls that are nice and thoughtful melt my fucking heart so quick. Its always an act though.

      [–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is so damn true. Girls that are nice and thoughtful melt my fucking heart so quick. Its always an act though.

      Single-line emotional rollercoaster. 10/10, couldn't agree more

      [–]bangbangahah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      This is why i have pity for feminists and most women. They are told you need to be strong and independent and you don't need no man! So they must fight there natural desire and feel guilty for wanting to submit. And if they do dare admit they do enjoy dominant and energetic men they get shamed big time by the loving feminists.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      Mean girls are boner-killers.

      [–]BrunoOh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I heard (never bothered) that a hatefuck is the best.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm guessing it is as well. Cuz you just want to smash get face into the cushions... Or the wall or something.

      [–]usernameson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Different strokes for different blokes.

      [–]Trail_of_Jeers 10 points11 points  (13 children)

      Not even. Boners can be controlled. Men are not controlled by their genitals

      [–]BrunoOh 24 points25 points  (2 children)

      True, but how would you feel if only stuck up bitches could give you one?

      [–]Trail_of_Jeers 46 points47 points  (1 child)

      You explain why I currently am MGTOW...

      [–]Glenbert 8 points9 points  (9 children)

      If that were true crazy women would never get laid.

      [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      To be fair crazy women get laid because they're often very skilled at hiding their crazy - and in the case of anything more than ONS you find out they're crazy but only when it's too late.

      [–]Glenbert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yes, often. But not always. In hindsight, I think there are many obvious signs of crazy that men ignore. Still fleshing this out but here's the first in a list of "Signs She's Crazy."

      1) She is crazy - you know her, but you find her little quirks and oddities child-like and attractive. You will marry this Manic Pixie Dream Girl one day. Everyone you know thinks or says that she's crazy. Her ex BF tells you horror stories about her being crazy. But you're different. You can harness her crazy for good. And the sex is amazing, even if it isn't kinky, it's amazing.

      [–]Trail_of_Jeers 3 points4 points  (6 children)

      Betas, omegas, and plate spinners all find them useful. By your logic people would never sky dive.

      Women have difficulty acting contrary to the tingles. Men have it much easier.

      [–]Glenbert 14 points15 points  (5 children)

      Clearly you've never stuck your dick in the level of crazy that I have.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 25 points26 points  (4 children)

      It's a slice of heaven straight out of hell.

      [–]OakTr3E 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      I think men need to be burned and recover from it before having the mental fortitude to not get seduced by crazy.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      Yeah. My problem is I almost got burned. Twice. But not quite burned. My fingers got singed but I haven't been full witch-burn... yet. You gotta hit and quit with these girls. If they pull you in you're done.

      [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

      The longer you're with a slut the more entitled they feel to treat you like shit. The very fact you continually associate with them makes them lose respect for you because sluts know what they are.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Epic comment man. Tweeted this shit. Very true. I would give you a TRP point but the bot doesn't work with my username. If someone else could give this guy a delta point on my behalf, I'd appreciate that. Thanks.

      [–]phishyfingers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      For me I struggle with being attracted to only hot women when I know I should be attracted to land whales...

      What's a boy to do?

      [–]HahahahaWaitWhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Haven't you ever met a normal girl that you could actually have an interesting conversation with, only to forget about her for some dumb hot slut that will actually make your brain bleed if allowed to speak uninterrupted for just a minute or two?

      I imagine it's a lot like that. Which is to say, I understand.

      [–]Forever_Unbroken 46 points47 points  (5 children)

      I think a lot of guys are wondering why they aren't the "right now" guy, not realizing that the 'right now' guy gets the short end of the stick because he'll only last...for right now!

      HAHAHAHA. Oh my god I can't stop laughing. The "right now" guy gets the short end of the stick! Hilarious.

      [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      The guy who buys a used car off Craigslist gets to keep it for life too.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Perfect example of their logic.

      [–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      A majority of women actually believe this to be the case. Holy shit.

      [–]my-redpillthrowaway 131 points132 points  (1 child)

      Dropped my jaw on the floor when I read the thread. Then noticed it was created 3 years ago. You won't find a post like this on 2XC now. It's not a safe haven for women anymore - it's a safe haven for feminists who like to be the victims.

      [–]1R_E_D_1 47 points48 points  (0 children)

      Yeah. 2xc is a cesspool of delirious ignorance now.

      [–]batfamily 29 points30 points  (2 children)

      interesting. there's a subreddit r/niceguys which used to be about making fun of cringe worthy neckbeard profiles on dating sites, describing themselves as nice guys, posted by self aware men. but now it changed, and it's all women now. they're making fun of nice guys because of their hypocrisy, how they're only pretend to be nice to sleep with girls, etc. it's just used for women to post convos of men hitting on them (look how desirable i am!) and being rejected (with self conscious, condescending, cold replies from the rational female who totally didnt know she was going to post those things on reddit).

      in my BP days, reading that sub would be depressing, because every guy who tries to hit on a girl is rejected, and i would perceive that direct approach as bad. when in fact, it's just that they're not attractive.

      not that i am defending nice guys, but anyone goes under that label and just shows how your average woman really feels about weak, beta men. they despise them, no pity whatsoever.

      [–]brianjamesxx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Women see nice guys and low SMV men as dog shit on their shoe. They are absolutely repulsed by them. It's the hive mind that gravitates them towards the nice guy when beta bux comes into play.

      [–]ProductivityMonster 39 points40 points  (19 children)

      and ironically, the asshole has a greater chance at a relationship having gotten laid before the nice guy. Act good enough, not like boyfriend material.

      [–]LibertarianLibertine 61 points62 points  (17 children)

      The idea that nice guys will end up in a relationship is just false. They end up jerking to porn on the internet, while the girl gets in a relationship with her 'bad boy'.

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        [–]TimeHo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        This is how i got out of the friendzone. After a long life of being a moron when it came to women i was at home with said friend on my birthday. She was asking what i did earlier in day and what i wanted for my birthday. I just had a crap day and had this weird not-give-a-shit feeling. I looked at her in the eye and said "a blowjob". She looked at me for a moment with a mad/surprised look and i just kept looking at her in the eye. Sure enough she told me to take off my pants and that was that. I wasted a lot of time in my earlier years and so now i try and make up for it.

        [–]trpalternate 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        The nice guy will usually end up in a relationship eventually. The girl will "settle down" with him after her looks start fading and she is done fucking every bad boy she comes across. She won't respect him and will fuck another bad boy at the drop of a hat, but he will get duty sex every once in a while.

        [–]Blutarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I know right? You have to make the playoffs before you can win the championship.

        [–]brianjamesxx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Nice guys just become BB. Lol

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Of course. Women fantasize about finding their alpha fucks and using their womanly charms to lock him down for themselves.

        [–]Waldo00 18 points19 points  (2 children)

        This is prime example of hamster. She couldn't explain her attraction so she rationalizes it.

        [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

        And the rationalization is bullshit because she isn't scared of being rejected by some nice guy. She's just flat out not attracted to betas. Women don't understand themselves.

        [–]Waldo00 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Ya if you read closely it says, it's that nice guys fault why I am attracted to the asshole.

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        [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

        What I would really like to know why bitches go for shitheads, morons, losers, and retards.

        Because these losers display masculine traits such as confidence, forwardness, boldness, etc. Nice guys are too worried about ensuring that the woman's consent is affirmative enough while the shithead is grabbing a handful of ass.

        [–]O3EAN 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        Also because some women are just fucking stupid.

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        [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        I think that is mainly a hamster to put a positive spin on this reality.

        At it's core, being an asshole is showing strength/power. It is an explicit display of saying "I don't give a fuck what you think of me" which is attractive bcz it implies you are higher value and have better options. You are speaking from a position of power when you are being an asshole.

        Being nice and considerate in your approach on the other hand is implying you care about their opinion a lot. It shows lack of options and weakness as you are implicitly asking for being nice in return.

        Ps. I was (still am to a degree) also in very similar position as you. Good looking, strong career/finances from a young age etc. This gave me a lot of opportunities only to watch them turn into disgust as I suddenly start caring wayyy too much.

        [–]1kingofpoplives 20 points21 points  (8 children)

        Nice guy is really misnomer. The term submissive is much more accurate. You can be as nice as you want and women will still tingle for you if you are not submissive.

        Women crave to submit to a dominant man. Seduction is just the process of her testing your dominance. If you refuse to submit to her, she will submit to you sexually.

        The key to this is merely knowing what you want and not giving her what she wants if you aren't getting it. It's simple quid pro quo. At heart, submissive guys are just really shitty negotiators.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        At heart, submissive guys are just really shitty negotiators.

        It's funny that you mention that. I recently had an epiphany regarding that. I feel there is a gigantic population of people that are so submissive these days because we almost never get to practice social dominance via negotiating. People negotiate when there are is some scarcity of resources. The process has been completely eliminated from most ppl lives in western society (set prices for all every day purchases, income so high that ppl simply don't care to). The few people that do negotiate regularly are total dominant sharks (car salesmen etc.).

        [–]loin_fruit 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        But when you say nice, what do you mean by that? Random text messages saying "i miss you" to a LTP?

        or just simply asking them about how their day was?

        I sometimes have a hard time figuring out where to draw the line on being nice. Women love being desired by a dominant/alpha man, but if I want to her to keep coming back, is it best to stay aloof and not show my hand, or to show a little bit of desire and saying that "i miss you" shit?

        EDIT: I read this http://www.returnofkings.com/47681/how-to-spark-sexual-attraction and now that I think about it I think it comes down to showing your desire through sex. The number one way I've heard of making a plate keep coming back is through great sex. I don't think showing my emotions through text or without them putting out is a good idea. But to show desire and how bad I want to fuck them while I fuck them, is the way to go.

        [–]1kingofpoplives 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        But to show desire and how bad I want to fuck them while I fuck them, is the way to go.

        I agree with this.

        "I miss you" is needy as fuck.

        I can't wait to slam the shit out of your pussy again" is a turn on for her that still says "I want to see you soon."

        I think the key to this is understanding the various psychological effects that your actions have on a girl's thoughts and emotions.

        • Text her every day without fail = This guy is fucking annoying
        • Don't text her for two days = I wonder if he's thinking about me
        • Don't text her for five days = I wish he would text me
        • Don't text her for two weeks = He clearly isn't that into me, I should move on before getting hurt

        So the same exact behavior with a different dosage creates a different psychological reaction. Relationships are really just two people getting obsessed with each other and themselves in various ways. Between all the sex and feelings of desirability it's validation on hyperdrive.

        So to keep her coming back, you need to understand the things you can do that give her a psychological high. She really isn't into you, she's into the way you make her feel.

        [–]loin_fruit 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Spot on man. I try and keep them guessing by push and pull. Sometimes I text them first to hangout. Sometimes I stay away a week or two and wait for them to say something.

        Sometimes my inner beta will shine through and want to say some shit to a plate like "I miss you" because she's been a plate for a long ass time or because I think it'll work. But every time this happens and I fight the urge it ends up working because I'll get a text saying "I want really good sex" or something along those lines.

        The one thing I can't figure out is, what if the plate flakes because of something came up either family issues or a shit ton of God damn homework during clinicals week. Wait for them to text me and hit me up to make plans or I hit them up in a week or so? and if i do decide to hit her up, is saying something like "i want to fuck the shit out of you" appropriate?

        [–]1kingofpoplives 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        It's almost always better to wait, but start making other arrangements. If she never hits you up to reschedule then soft next her for at least a couple months -- clearly she has lost interest or has other shit going on. As long you soft next, rather than blowing it up by getting needy, you can often bring these women back into rotation months or years later.

        Consistency with plates is always gonna be sketchy. Plate relationships are always lukewarm. Since it's just sex (which is all well and good) and there is no shared future or anything like that pulling you together. You are just each others temporary sex supply, so even the slightest inconvenience or change in equation will cause them to drop.

        This is one of the reasons I prefer relationships with the best quality girls I can get over multiple plates. There is a set pattern of hanging out every week, so you aren't always dealing with flaky plates or scrambling to get new ones.

        [–]loin_fruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Gotcha. She's been a plate for over 3 years now. We take breaks from each other for a bit sometimes but she always comes back and wants to fuck. I must be doing something right.

        I know if I don't text her she'll hit me up in a matter of a month or less.

        In the mean time I find other options so it all works out.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I'm a shitty negotiator. So I don't negotiate. It goes how I say it's gonna go or it doesn't go.

        [–]1kingofpoplives 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        When you engage with a woman, you are negotiating whether you choose to or not. It is subtextual negotiation, usually not explicit.

        Saying you "don't negotiate" is just another tactic. A very effective one actually.

        [–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The crazy part is that when assholes end up dumping them, they also think that there is something wrong with themselves. They lack so self awareness to such a strong degree. They are totally unaware that the composition of their psychology is just designed to make them feel shitty about themselves on purpose. Nature motivates with bot the carrot and the stick but dumb people are always surprised when they encounter the painful part of that simple equation.

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        [–]brianjamesxx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah just because a guy isn't a low SMV beta bux pussy he's a douchebag lol

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        [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (4 children)

        men are happy because they get pussy

        I've always seen TRP as a path to overall self-improvement with pussy as a side benefit. I think that men are happier with TRP and they do get more pussy with TRP, but there are more links in between those two occurrences.

        TRP --> icreased SMV, increased personal responsibility, hard work --> outcome independence, abundance mentality, personal fulfillment, happiness, confidence --> pussy

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        TRP is sexual strategy at it's core

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You're right. I suppose I should have qualified my statement: I take what i believe are the most beneficial aspects of TRP and leave the rest. Ideological cherrypicking has it's own risks, to be sure, but the alternative (complete and utter adherence to the all-holy "sidebar") is not something I can support. To each his own.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Truth. I get shamed for "hating women" a lot these days, but truth is that the frumpy bitches who try it are just getting old and jealous of the tight little pieces that I fuck (and talk about, which I shouldn't). Going through some drama with a newly BB married post-wall former hot girl house mate. I've also been fired because a chick wanted to suck my dick and it blew my white knight coworkers' minds. And yet, bitches I meet LOVE FUCKING and text me to fuck. And when they try to punish me by not texting for a weekend and I say I know they will be back and they come back, I fucking have no doubt I can give them what they want. TRP is great for women and horrible for white knights and frumpy bitches who can no longer extract resources from newly available dick.

        [–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I get shamed for "hating women"

        I'm almost at this point. Thing is, I don't hate women, I love them and some of their little quirks. But I do hate bullshit, and 90% of bullshit comes from women. Maybe women should "woman up" instead.

        [–]Hrodrik -1 points0 points  (2 children)

        What the fuck does progressive liberalism have to do with it? Evidence based policymaking is ruining women?

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        [–]brianjamesxx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Too bad a RP male doesn't want her 30 year old cottage cheese ass.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        This is the problem with the modern world, this is what we're trying to strike down:

        Everyone is so fucking afraid. Everyone's so fucking scared. It's unhealthy.

        [–]2popthatpill 27 points28 points  (0 children)

        I'm far more comfortable with a physical connection than I am with a mental/emotional one.

        Translation from hamsterese into English: Physical connection == hawt, fun, and exciting; mental/emotional connection == boring, lame, and faggy.

        [–]Terhands 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        It seems more like she's admitting that she is afraid of being rejected by someone who she legitimately respects and admires. And that this has lead her to find 'douchebags' easier, and less frightening than seeking out an s/o with whom she could have a real partnership.

        Being rejected by someone whose opinion means little to you is easy to handle. You didn't care about them anyway.

        But being told you aren't good enough by someone that you genuinely admire and care about? That would really hurt.

        It seems to me that this mentality is caused by a lack of self awareness and confidence. If a person is happy and comfortable with who they are, then rejection isn't a neccessarily a bad thing. Honestly, rejection early on can save a lot of time and uncertainty.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        and yet the douche gets the panties flying on demand, but if a woman was with a nice guy who made her feel safe? that river's dry

        [–]Terhands 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        If a relationship is to a point where someone's needs aren't being satisfied then it's either time to discuss what's wrong like adults and try to figure it out, or if that doesn't work then cut both of your losses and call it.

        Being a nice guy doesn't have to mean sticking around when you recognize it isn't working for you. Life's too short to try forcing incompatible things together.

        I think the thing is, nice guys are perfectly capable of having women want them. But if ALL you are is a nice guy? That's boring. Most people are 'nice', so you aren't going to make a real impression. This goes for both sexes.

        If you really want to be attractive/interesting to the opposite sex, then you have to invest time in yourself. Go out and do interesting things. Take care of yourself. You don't have to be obnoxious and behave like an asshole to get women interested in you. Be confident enough to have your own life full of being awesome and it will be noticed.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        wow dude you must have read the red pill material nice work! but you still dont get it - what women say, what women think and what women do are three different things.

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        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        yeah you keep telling yourself that sister, as long as it makes you feel better reality doesnt have to matter.

        [–]metallica11 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        This read confirms that not only do NICE guys (Trademark nice guy) finish last, but actually genuinely nice guys also finish last.

        I define genuinely nice as a guy who follows his desires, masculinity, etc but also gives people the benefit of the doubt and keeps his masculinity in check sometimes (aka doesn't go on a aggressive rager). He is still honest.

        Let's face it, women can't tell the real difference between a guy that is genuinely nice and one that is just being nice to get in her pants. She will automatically associate genuine niceness with spinelessness and desire to bang chad thundercock with an IQ of 95 than a 25 year old guy who makes 100,000, volunteers in his spare time, doesn't have a rage complex, and is actually genuinely nice.

        [–]brianjamesxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I think the bottom line is that even if you're a nice guy that doesn't lose track of himself and be confident, RP etc, you still have to interact with women a certain way, putting the non-BBux nice guy traits on the shelf and using sexual dominance and strategy to your advantage.

        [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

        chad thundercock with an IQ of 95

        Plenty of chad thundercocks with an IQ of over 95.

        [–]chainlinks 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        But if a nice guy gets to know the real me and then leaves...that's when the little vulnerable girl in me comes out worried that maybe me, who I am at the core, is unlovable.

        Patrice O'Neal's commentary on this topic.

        [–]Glenbert 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        This woman is a mess. Best to ignore her. Confidence is what wins the day, not douchiness. A douche bag wins the day only of he's also confident. But if you're an insecure douche bag you will most definitely lose out to a confident nice guy. And it's a lot easier to reveal your insecurities when you act like a douche bag too.

        Source: I've been all for of these permutations at different stages of my life.

        [–]anon10101010 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Attraction through polarization. That's what 'assholes' do.

        [–]Sexualasaltandpepper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Didn't you know that "nice guys are the real jerks"?

        [–]Shade_Raven 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        You want an asshole , you got one...

        [–]Slothlemur 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        I think the strategy is best done like this: to win you don't wanna be an outright asshole, but you should wear the skin of an asshole, adopt his mannerisms, be an asshole in appearance. A "sheep in wolves clothing" who is smart enough not be completely beta, but to understand that you're selling them tingles first, and relational emotional stuff later.

        [–]Totsean 6 points7 points  (5 children)

        Well, to be honest, I tried the asshole route and honestly it gets fucking results however in my case the girl got cold feet and ditched me. Kinda hurts but she was a virgin and totally committed to marrying her prince charming or something.

        I was just fucking around anyway. If you're in Pakistan, TRP lessons are fucking lethal :(. Waiting for the ticket out of here.

        [–]M_rafay 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Indian here, I work for an unnamed car company in Japan, doing imports. I didn't manage to have family help leaving or scholarship, but I made it. Keep at it, or stay, actually. The grass isn't always greener.

        Grew up in very very conservative Hindu family. Would only marry back there if given the chance.

        [–]Totsean 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        I am heading to Philippines, cheaper, affordable, tons of pussy (srsly), would give me plenty of time to think about marriage anyway. Currently 29, might marry when I reach 34. I do have some shortlisted girls at this stage but honestly it's too early to even think about settling down.

        Plus since I joined TRP, I started seeing the real men, I don't I can settle down with just one woman :P.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        My friend married a Filipino girl. Now like 10 random girls have added me on FB after I commented on his post. They LOVE American guys.

        [–]Totsean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I know, I got FB full of them. Plan to use tinder when I go there.

        [–]M_rafay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Don't count on your race working for you in Asia. And I would say do not marry at 34, age difference works against you, as you too have little to go but down. Best to marry before the peak, to actually be at your best in marriage.

        [–]WeCantHaveFun 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Here's the brutal (and embarrassing) honesty for me: I am legitimately uncomfortable when a nice guy gives me attention because I would rather that I am turned down by an asshole than a nice guy. If an asshole gives me a lot of attention and then ditches me, I can handle that. After all, he's a douche bag. But if a nice guy gets to know the real me and then leaves...that's when the little vulnerable girl in me comes out worried that maybe me, who I am at the core, is unlovable.

        Something RP seems never to want to understand.

        They don't care about the actual act of sex or getting an orgasm. They care about the validation. Women are not men.

        If someone as wonderful as a nice guy rejects them, they are not wonderful by their fucked up validation mirror.

        If an asshole rejects them, they are unfuckable.

        Reject more. Have impossible standards. Works wonders.

        [–]Red_Zepperin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Thank you. Damn people in this thread seemed to miss the key vulnerability that formed the crux of this preference.

        [–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        Okay, the meaning of the words "nice guy" have changed dramatically recently and have been twisted into a very negative thing.

        As a man who is conscientious, caring, and respectful, what would best describe me? Because apparently I should never think of myself as a "nice guy."

        EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't let people walk all over me and I always stand up for myself. I don't pedastalize women either. I'm just saying that I strive to live my life as a good, respectful person.

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          [–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          I have and backbone and don't put up with things like that, trust me.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You are a nice person but it doesn't mean you put anything with a vagina on a pedestal.

          [–]Pm_MeyourManBoobs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Im a natural asshole. I just can't help it. The less interested I am in their responses on the date, the more interested they become. I have never gone out with a woman who was ever interested in me when I was trying to put her on a pedestal. Maybe middle school? Women want a man who can weather the storm, not just a storm but a hurricane, not some beta who will gladly spend a Saturday watching TV with them. They want the classic man, not a house plant. Be yourself = be a man.

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Unpopular opinion, but this may be an argument for how to find a unicorn. Granted, this involves finding a woman that truly lives themselves. That said, just as we are learning to love ourselves as we come into the best parts of us, perhaps a woman can do the same.

          Maybe it's the euphoria I have from long dicking this Latin Mami to the point she can barely walk, but I think there's something to it.

          [–]R4F1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          If she's a slut (with a high N count), she's not exactly a unicorn is she.

          [–]kevkos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "Nice guy vs asshole" is a false dichotomy. There's a sliding scale. Most women want excitement in their relationships. But they don't WANT a guy that's an asshole. Given the choice, they will PUT UP WITH asshole behavior over nice guy behavior to get excitement, but the idea that "women want assholes" is totally misleading.

          And then there's healthy vs. unhealthy women. Healthy women won't put up with nearly as much BS as mentally unhealthy ones. They still want the excitement but will demand more respect than a low quality woman.

          More to this than meets the initial eye, no doubt.

          [–]AnArcher 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          That post is 3 years old. How did you find it?

          [–]fizolof[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I searched the phrase "nice guy" on reddit out of curiosity and found this.

          [–]iamnotfromtexas90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "For the most part, I just genuinely find the douchebag more attractive than a nice guy. A lot of traits that people describe as douchey are just really hot to me. I don't care if a guy is loud, assertive, overconfident, etc, as long as he doesn't treat me like crap."

          'Douchey' guys act like douches because... IT WORKS!

          [–]Blutarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "some guy also made observation that this is exactly what causes men to become assholes"

          Gee, you think so?

          [–]Transmigratory 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          And they say we're just being misogynists when we impart this sort of knowledge onto young men.

          [–]ShekelBanker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          "that's when the little vulnerable girl in me comes out worried that maybe me, who I am at the core, is unlovable."

          implying she is loveable

          Made my day, nice joke, keep avoiding responsibility for your own flock of birds flying in your head.

          [–]mstersmith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Duh why I stopped being nice.

          [–]TekkomanKingz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The thing is being a nice guy won't get you a good relationship either. Pure hogwash.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ah yes. The old I try to give women a choice but the answer is always "i don't kno". So it's easier to go with the douces who dominates and gives orders on what is right and what is wrong.

          Some "people" just don't like to think for themselfs. (Serious mental issues 90 % of the time too)

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          [–]Soupthecolourofblood 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          It's not difficult to be direct with a women- make your sexuality visible to her, advertise your charisma- and still be a good guy. It seems many TRP trawlers are too damaged by horrible bitches to behave like adults. Straight women don't want assholes or fucked up man children, they want men.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          ah yes the fabled "man", just like how men wanr a unicorn. doesnt exist

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          They are attracted to assholes. They hamster off that they are comfortable with the physical intimacy of the asshole vs the emotional connection of nice guy because of rejection issues. But the reality is that they are subconsciously attracted to the asshole alpha persona. Why would you stick around for the asshole if you aren't attracted to him? Why would you put on a fake persona to attract the asshole guy/ a cutesy persona and slutty makeup that you know guys like, yet take literally no effort to entice the nice guy that you say you are attracted to? Being yourself in personality and being makeup free are something that girls do with their friends and beta orbiters and beta bucks, not their lovers.

          Basically, being an asshole will get you laid, being a nice guy will get you the relationship

          But why the fuck would I want to be a doormat for a woman while she has given away reward after reward to men who did nothing for her?

          If an asshole gives me a lot of attention and then ditches me, I can handle that. After all, he's a douche bag

          Fails to answer the question why a woman will fuck an asshole over a nice guy if she genuinely does not like his behavior. She could just hold it out for the nice guy to come along.

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          [–]fizolof[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Have you read the sidebar?

          [–]dchrisd -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

          I'm not one of those people who attack you guys just because, but she's not saying she likes assholes, she's saying she's more comfortable getting dumped / rejected by an asshole.

          "If an asshole gives me a lot of attention and then ditches me, I can handle that. After all, he's a douche bag. But if a nice guy gets to know the real me and then leaves...that's when the little vulnerable girl in me comes out worried that maybe me, who I am at the core, is unlovable. I really hate that that is true, that that is how I feel...but it's far scarier for me to get rejected for who I am than what I look like."

          [–]ven5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          It doesn't matter what she says. Half the time, what you will hear is a rationalization turned into a belief. What matters is the result.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          what she is saying is her rationalization so she can live with herself. women must live a lie its their way of coping with being woman

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