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Question For MenQ4 RP Men: What does a gorgeous perfect virginal young woman get out of dating and fucking only you if you’re against marriage and will leave her for someone younger when she hits her “wall”? (self.PurplePillDebate)

submitted by jigglypuff__0

Please correct me if I got any of the main tenets of the RP ideology wrong.

I hear a lot of red pill men on this sub require that their women have no N-Counts. I get not wanting a “slut” but what do they get out of dating you if your ideology is also to spin plates, reject marriage and long term commitment, and ignore all 30+ year old women? Once you meet this beautiful virginal unicorn, what do you have to offer her as a RP man, that a “betabuxx” wouldn’t?

Genuinely curious. Thanks in advance.


[–]throwawayhouseissue1I talk to strangers42 points43 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think this is why some guys are purple pill. They will be beta to the right woman.

[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ding ding ding. Many don’t want to admit that

[–]StopTheIncelsOutside Yellow | Inside Red4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always tell people that; for the right woman 'unicorn', I'd gladly relent.

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much. Some women make me (and probably others), cut back on a lot of the cynicism, others not so much.

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxj6q34fdtfcw3520 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say not fully BB, but definitely willing to bear with their "right" women's shit. I definitely have that issue myself.

[–]lelease107 points108 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You're combining two different types:

  1. The plate spinner who dgaf about n-count
  2. The trad who doesn't want to marry some used-up plate

Both of them are present in this sub.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Some people can be both

[–]Grundleberries15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Chads and Trads. Never the twain shall meet.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

LOL come on the ranks of Republicans/tradcons are full of plate spinners. Some are outright polygnists, see: Islamists and Mormons.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Adultery is heavily shamed in the trad communities I’ve been exposed to. It is one of two socially acceptable justifications for divorce, the other being domestic violence, which is only available for women.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shamed in trad communities but also terribly common on the downlow.

[–]lelease39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some males can be hypocrites. Some females can be liars. Some bad people exist in the world.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some women want men to beat them up 🤷🏻‍♂️

Pointless reply.

[–]Grek2712 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to marry her and have a family?

I don't want to spin plates, I fucking hate interacting with people. I want a single, loving wife who wants to build a life with me.

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (123 children) | Copy Link

It's 2 different things.

They want to marry the virgin unicorn but end up having to permaspin plates and not commit to them because "where are all da good ladies?"

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (114 children) | Copy Link

There's not going to be a better answer than this one

[–]eboy4hire24 points25 points  (113 children) | Copy Link

Except for my answer, which dispels the idea that TRP men plan on leaving after their woman hits the wall. It's about not starting up a relationship with a post-wall woman, not about leaving when your woman becomes post-wall. If she's with you before she hits the wall, she deserves your commitment.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word16 points17 points  (87 children) | Copy Link

Why should women count on the from men who repeatedly insist they only value young women.

[–]eboy4hire16 points17 points  (85 children) | Copy Link

Here's all you gotta understand: Young women are the most physically attractive to men. What TRPers want to avoid, is dating a girl who would have never been with them when the girl was at her peak attractiveness physically. They don't want to be settled for because of a woman's declining youth and physical attractiveness. They want to be the object of desire of a young woman, who then goes on to sacrifice her younger years staying exclusive to him. While the woman who gave her best years to him's attractiveness may decline, the man will feel an increased motivation to stay committed because he appreciates the sacrifice.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word8 points9 points  (84 children) | Copy Link

They are the most desirable to you, don’t really care about the rest. Heard all this many times, why would some young hot free woman become a starter wife for some guy who is incapable of still loving her after she ages and repeatedly tells everyone this even though this is a Wendys.

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha11 points12 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

FFS, It's like you didn't even read their comment, the whole way through.

Key points where:

  • What TRPers want to avoid, is dating a girl who would have never been with them when the girl was at her peak attractiveness physically.
  • They don't want to be settled for because of a woman's declining youth and physical attractiveness.

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i.e. Men don't want shallow women who sleep around with "chads" while they are young, and then just try to settle with some wealthy unattractive man, when they feel like they are done fucking around. We want women who actually value us, and want to be with us.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

And every fucking time we (including men like me) come on here and say "what about the chubby chick who is kind and empathetic and loyal" and TRPers, to the very last of them, says "TO THE FRIENDZONE WITH SHE!!!"

No TRPer would ever admit to dating a woman who's below an 8. They're just as deplorable as their female counterparts on here.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

People don't like unnattractive people. Fat bitches get no attention from hot guys just like my autistic ass gets no attention from hot girls. Such is the way of life, TRP is inherently self centered. I don't spin plates because I'm unnattractive to women and never bothered to change it, but it's very simple.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

People don't like unnattractive people.

Some of us judge women based on something else besides looks. Looks fade.

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Obviously looks matching applys.

Although I only ever here Femcels on /r/trufemcels talking about that

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ask TRP men if they'd date a fat chick under any circumstances whatsoever. Go ahead, just ask.

[–]Kos_-_Omak1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"what about the chubby chick who is kind and empathetic and loyal"

You might have a point if chubby chicks actually were kind and empathetic and loyal. The problem is that chubby chicks are NOT like that in real life. They're bitchy and crazy and insecure and even more obsessed with fucking Chads than more attractive girls. Overweight women have the highest n-counts. They're literally worse in every way.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No TRPer would ever admit to dating a woman who's below an 8.

What is an 8?

[–]30dirtyfingers-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What exactly is an 8? Is an 8 to one guy and 8 to every guy?

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are women that the vast majority of men would rate an 8 or better. Jennifer Lopez in her prime was probably disliked by no hetero man ever.

[–]BenThePanda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL the ‘FFS’ comment floored me

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How many times have i read this same talking point it’s hundreds or thousands

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe try responding to the actual point then, iinstead of ignoring it, and pretending it means something else.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have two kinds of flu right now I have also spent over 1 year on this website debating all this stuff do not feel like copy pasting in reply to a copy paste right now.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and repeatedly tells everyone this even though this is a Wendys.

I will never get tired of this joke :D

[–]eboy4hire1 point2 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

So you're gonna still be physically attracted to your husband when he's like 80?

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word8 points9 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I am it’s called love and lust and passion, something trp sadly lacks and misses out on.

[–]furcryingoutloudRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hi Sunflower, will you marry me? LOL

I have not had the luck or whatever you may call it to find a woman who had "love and lust and passion" for me for an extended period of time. Then again, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Just that they don't exist for me. We can wax philosophical all day as to the why's, the final point being that I have not had that experience.

So it's obvious that my judgement will be one sided.

One issue I can confirm, the more money you have, the less people see the real you and focus on your money. Money is like a curtain that steals people's focus. It's a bittersweet cursed blessing.

Finally, I'll take the money thanks.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I have a serious bf so I’ll have to decline. Lol But srsly I’m sorry that you haven’t found someone who’s passionate. Be open to different people because frankly to acquaintances I’m seen as subdued or shy even, and there are a lot of people who are passionate intense people but do not come off as highly extroverted or assertive at first.

I think having money as a guy is like being an attractive woman, good but also hard to know who to trust. You can play that down though so you don’t set off flags that attract the wrong people.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah right. Women leave men when they become less manly, too.

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a load of shit.

You hear married women all the time talking about hot young guys, or models.

Women and Men are the same. Younger, More attractive people, will be more attractive. But that doesn't mean you stop loving your SO.

FFS most people still love their SO, while there are legitimate super models out there, who are objectively more attractive, than almost everyone.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it’s called chatting and having humor, women of a certain age are not forming online angry forums to talk about how wronged they are they don’t get their baywatch model or pool boy on demand. What is weird is taking these biological urges as deadly serious and more important than anything you’ve chosen with free will and love and meaning. Please quote me where I said that no other hot people exist in the world.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don’t hear married women talking about their husbands because it’s bragging. That someone objectively more attractive exists in the world doesn’t impact me thinking my husband is hot. I haven’t been associating this mysterious super model with orgasms for 15 years. Your understanding of marital attraction is wanting.

[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

All I'll say to this is that I never said they don't love their wives after they hit the wall. The passion is still there, it's just that objectively speaking, younger women will always be the hottest.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s just so sad that you are all so hung up on this. Who cares, normal people do not want to spend their life devastated because a 2D image aroused them momentarily but they can’t literally fuck that image at their whim. It’s insane and pornified and makes people miserable.

[–]87AudreyHorne0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

But what's the point for a woman to be with someone who thinks like this in the first place? You're with someone who finds other people hotter, better off not being with them at all

[–]87AudreyHorne2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

How can you not be? How can people love someone for years and then still look at them objectively like "hm you are no longer at your peak, now you're unattractive but dont worry I'll stick with you." How can it not be "you're my person and you at any stage of life us the best and hottest thing for me." I'm a bit idealistic perhaps but I cant call it love if it's any other way.

Also I would rather someone leaves me than sticks with me without finding me attractive. That is awful, why would anyone want this for themselves?

[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is an interesting disagreement I've stumbled upon. I'd totally have lovey dovey feelings for my 80 year old wife, and I'd hope to be so deluded by those feelings to think that she's the hottest girl in any form, but a 22 year old attractive man isn't going to find her as appealing as me unless he's got some weird fetish. I want you to understand that a good man can have a very strong sense of commitment to a woman or anybody loyal to them. I'm 22 right now, so I'm supposed to like younger girls. Idk if that will change as I get older. One thing I know, is that younger girls won't like me when I'm 70 and I probably won't find a 20 year old soulmate who thinks I'm attractive in any form when I'm 70. lol

[–]87AudreyHorne-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

But I would hope that even if you could have 20 year olds when you're 70, you'd actually want your 70 year old spouse over those people.

[–]anitapkcsarlbmed ggse0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You've never heard people in their 80s who still love and lust for each other? There's plenty.

[–]87AudreyHorne1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And not just cause they spent their youth together so now they're doing this nice thing of staying with them... through my grandma I realized that elderly (70+) who are single or widowed still have active dating lives if they choose. She had men falling for her and proposing to her at that age and she met a man she fell in love with. They had a beautiful relationship, both were really head over heels for each other. Like a young romance

[–]anitapkcsarlbmed ggse2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some people still have an active sex life in their 80s, to the point where they're worried about their hearts not making it through the act.

[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Still love each other and do sweet things for each other? Yes... Still lust for each other like 20 year olds? I doubt it. lol

[–]anitapkcsarlbmed ggse-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody said like 20 years old where did you read that? Just still lust and want each other. Sexually

[–]XtoDoubtMen Do It Too-1 points0 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

You don't talk about the red pill with your woman.

Men aren't hypergamous. While some men might trade up, this isn't the norm. It's women who divorce men, especially in cases where her income is higher than his.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Lol some men might trade up but it isn’t the norm

Please

And just because women are finally driven tot he brink and are more likely to actually do the divorce paperwork while men are happy having affairs doesn’t really say anything

[–]87AudreyHorne3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. Maybe the people who break up or quit might just sometimes be the more proactive side who wanted things to be better but also didnt want to stay when they realized they wouldnt be. The other side that wants to stay might not be fighting to improve things but just ok with being stuck.

Anyway I dont know but I can see it working as a theory.

[–]XtoDoubtMen Do It Too-2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

These poor poor women who chose poorly :(

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes when the woman is bad it’s her fault and when the man is bad it’s also the women’s fault

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

FFS dude men trade up when it comes to looks.

[–]XtoDoubtMen Do It Too0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence of this outside of movies. Trump did it, I guess.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You haven't been in this world much, then. Trump is far from alone.

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxj6q34fdtfcw3521 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She shouldn't. Why would she make herself a doormat. Are there really women like that?

[–]AggravatingTartlet11 points12 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

It's about not starting up a relationship with a post-wall woman, not about leaving when your woman becomes post-wall. If she's with you before she hits the wall, she deserves your commitment.

But if a man is hooked on 22 year old women, and that is the primary reason he got with her in the first place, he will not be satisfied when she is 35 and has the usual post-birth body. He'll be chasing 22 year olds again. (That is, he'll pay for a sugar baby on the side or divorce her and pay for a few sugar babies in his new life.)

This is also the reason that young women need to be very careful about who they date. I went through a phase of dating older men when I was 18-22, until I realized that they had immature brains in older men's bodies and their primary interest in me was my age (not my maturity or personality). In other words, they sucked balls.

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But if a man is hooked on 22 year old women

You obviously missed what they said. No one said they where hooked on younger women.

They just don't want to start a relationship with a post-wall woman, who seems to only want them, because they just realised that the wall exists.

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Obvioulsy there are men, who just want young girls, but that is an entierly different thing to trp men we are talking about.

[–]eboy4hire3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a shitty kind of man. I would have committed to a girl from when I was in high school until the end if I had the chance.

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxj6q34fdtfcw3521 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A high school cutie that doesn't fuck you over whenever an opportunity comes and sticks to your ass in both good and bad.

[–]XtoDoubtMen Do It Too3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Weird how you "matured" passed that.

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Young women are stupid. As are men.

[–]XtoDoubtMen Do It Too1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

At your peak SMV years, you got with the hottest guys possible and later hit the epiphany phase and focused on betas. Common path described in trp. You had an early epiphany phase, though.

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's just maturing. Men do exactly the same. They look for wife material later on.

TRP just has to put a bitter spin on it when it comes to women.

[–]XtoDoubtMen Do It Too0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Call it whatever you want. Other guys got a younger, hotter you for less than the dutiful beta.

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

And the man got younger hotter women when he was younger than the kind of woman he can attract for marriage now. And he's also decided he wants marriage material rather than a party girl now that he's grown up a bit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes sense...I think the two are compatible mostly

[–]theoracleofosiris0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do not forget the wife of your youth. Said somewhere in the bible.

If you wifed up a postwally, you can’t remember what you never had.

[–]furcryingoutloudRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Nobody deserves commitment. Thinking that you are owed something for just being somewhere for an extended period is the worst kind of entitlement there is. You are not investing, you are living. Stop trying to get paid for showing up.

Commitment (marriage) is an ideal that was created by the church way back when. Making sex taboo was part of the plan to make people feel guilty about something, and the best something that everyone loves, is sex. Make it taboo, force commitment down their throats and voila! You're controlling the masses.

Fundamental christians and muslims have real problems with sex, and lo and behold, all this N count shit and all these taboos about fucking created by the churches is what's got the US in a taliban state about sex. I'm not saying this to belittle Americans, it just happens to be true. Don't believe me? I have one word for you, Clinton, the only president I've ever heard of that was impeached for getting a blow job.

That's a lot of repression for the country that produces the most porn in the world.

Men, TRP or not, will most likely trade up if they can afford the newer model. But guess what? Women will branch swing just as much if they find a better suitor. It's all about climbing that ladder.

[–]Jaktenba0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol, nope. Commitment arose naturally out of necessity, for women.

[–]furcryingoutloudRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Commitment from women you mean. Men didn't need to commit.

[–]Jaktenba0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women needed men to commit or else they would die. The compromise is that women agree to commit so the man knows he isn't wasting his time or resources.

[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This ignores the fact that sex is realistically for reproduction. Sure, you feel good when you slide your pp inside of a vagina, but that's cause your body wants to put a baby in that woman. Sex for pleasure without resulting in babies is a construct just like you're claiming sex being taboo is. I'm not a woman. I'm saying if you're not shitty, then you'll give the mother of your children commitment as long as she's not shitty to you.

[–]furcryingoutloudRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was referring to both sexes. I agree with you, but both men and women trade up the same.

[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm.... this is unrelated, but for some reason all my menu items got turned to Swedish. Sven, what are you doing on my account? lol

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Fuckin ay. That's the derangement of TRP perfectly summarized.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not derangement it's sociopathic self-fulfillment at the expense of others. It makes you an asshole but it gets you laid. Seems pretty straightforward to me if douchey.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

sociopathic self-fulfillment at the expense of others

But I see that as insanity.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It is but it's sure a good way to get some pussy.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's also a good way to fuck up the world around you.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I'm not saying it's right.

[–]ncatalin940 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that ...right there ladies...

[–]jax006Wants to bang ~20% of PPD chicks33 points34 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Another episode of conflating the weird moralizing TRP tradcons with the Enjoy the Decliners

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew25 points26 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Maybe the moralizing traditional conservative weirdos should be kept from claiming that they represent RP thought all over reddit then. Because enjoy the decline is in very short supply on reddit and weirdo moralizing traditional conservative Beta bullshit is what people think RP is for good reason that all anyone sees

[–]jax006Wants to bang ~20% of PPD chicks6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yea but that's probably not possible at this point. I would never direct some AFC guy to TRP in 2019

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I would never direct some AFC guy to TRP in 2019

yeahhh that ship has sailed. 2014,15 were good

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Imo 2015 was the year it went down. 2013 was prime

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

gonna have to take your word for it i didnt hear about TRP then. "single mothers are scum" was new when i found it. Feels like yesterday and yet it's atleast 4 years ago

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, time flies

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You needed trp to tell you not to wife up most single moms lol?

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

where did i say that? it's just a memorable post since it was so blown up by people who didnt like TRP

i hate kids

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can still find the good stuff IF you know what you are looking for. Also as a guy who found rp circa 2016, MRP was surprisingly helpfull.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow AFC, I haven't heard that term in ages

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a tradcuck, but I could be mistaken for one based off of the things I say.

N-count is an ideal. Virginal is a trait that you look for in a relationship, similar to several other unicorn traits that add up to a whole lotta, "Why am I even bothering?"

It absolutely is a hangup, but it is a strong reason why so many men are going Enjoy the Decline. I imagine it will be similar to what women will see in the near future, when they won't be able to find men who make more money than them.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

"Enjoy the decline" and tradcons are two different strategies based on the same perception of the world: RP.

How are they not RP?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tradcon is bluepill, not redpill

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tradcon isn't BP, tradcon is a strategy that doesn't care about nature and tells you you should get in line. They can be RP and think that tradcon is the right way for everyone.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

this is because, almost by definitions ETD guys have better things to do. Im an ETD guy, and I only visit subs like that every month or so for a binge, because ETD consumes most of my time.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Etd?

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Enjoy The Decline - philosophy of embracing the fall of our civilisation, and getting as much fun, sex, money and cool experiences out of it as possible. Term coined by Blackdragon - Caleb Jones.

The alternative position to tradcon TRP.

j

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

thanks for the RP 101 lesson

it was not coined by blackdragon, it precedes him

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

was It? He was the first manosphere thinker I know who used that often. Nevertheless, the guy is definitely the best example of the philosophy of EtD in the field right now, down to very specific instructions. Whether they work or not...is another matter.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeh ill agree to that

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I get the sense the "weird moralizing" is an attempt to get to the Enjoy the Decline, but they got to kill the "want to settle down". So they make committing to a woman so impossible that virtually no woman is marriage material by default.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you’re onto something there

[–]AggravatingTartlet-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So they make committing to a woman so impossible that virtually no woman is marriage material by default.

And that is a very good thing, which we are all grateful for. Long live rp.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its a feature.

[–]AggravatingTartlet-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not a bug.

[–]AnotherUserName1069832 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not in the best interests of that woman. The description you laid out is essentially a fantasy, the ideal to these dudes.

[–]Wallstreet336 points37 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Who said we'd automatically leave her when she hits 35? Remember, majority of divorces are initiated by women.

[–]jigglypuff__0[S] 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

I thought RP men don’t believe in long term relationships?

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian12 points13 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Not even close to true. RP men believe that traditional marriages doesn't work in men's favor. Even then, MarriedRP still exist for those who want to engage in "hard mode".

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

MRP is mostly men who found RP after marriage - they don’t suggest marriage either. I have never seen any facet of red pill genuinely suggest marriage. LTRs I think there’s probably at least more red pillers who think it’s fine as a sexual strategy but still many who would also call that “hard mode” and not recommended.

Ultimately, red pill in general no matter what facet would say it’s up to the individual man to decide for himself but the consensus in all facets is not to marry from what I have seen.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you hit the spot: the main idea behind TRP is that the man should FREELY decide what kind of life he wants, and what would make him happy, instead of comforting to the Social Programming.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

MRP is mostly men who found RP after marriage - they don’t suggest marriage either.

Those dudes need to rebrand. They should just call it MarriedPurplePill. If you found TRP, understand how women are and still stay married, you are purple, not red.

If you are calling marriage hard mode, you need to divorce.

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the beauty of RP ideology. There is no set standard on how you should live your life. You can be RP and still choose to marry someone. RP ideology will just show you all the possible consequences of that choice. That's why it's called hard mode.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You dont need RP as if to have permission to live your life how you want. As some if the MRP mods used to say - sticking feathers in your butt doesn't make you a chicken.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice guys finish last. TRP has been around since the dawn of time but it hadn't been systematically engineered until the internet.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t really care what they call it I just don’t think the existence of MRP means that there’s some facet of red pill that is pro marriage by any means

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

some facet of red pill that is pro marriage by any means

Which is my point. They aren't pro marriage. They are anti divorce-rape.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I’m not disagreeing with you about that

[–]TheMysteryMachine4200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They don’t suggest marriage because they know better than anyone that they got the short end of the stick in the relationship.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine but that wasn’t my point

[–]Wallstreet311 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope.

Me personally I think men should avoid LTRs like the plague as they offer very little to men while placing men at huge risk. Take a marriage contract, write the business version of that and offer it to any CEO and they'll have security escort you out.

[–]FlyingResearcher2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A marriage contact would not even be legal if it weren't for all the special (and usually misandrist) laws that apply to it.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought RP men don’t believe in long term relationships?

Most RP guys are pessimistic about LTR's and marriage. They may not believe they're a possibility but most wish they were. Personally, I could have gone to my grave in my blissfully ignorant blue pill word had it not been ripped out from under me.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We did, but then no fault divorce became a thing.

That happening and the price of pussy dropping like crazy thanks to the sexual liberation made spinning plates a more viable long term strategy than traditional commitment

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

RP men believe that being a beta bux to a post-wall woman is an unfair deal if this same woman rejected them when they were pre-wall.

RP men believe that men's best deal is to spine many plates.

But for most men that's still an unrealistic goal and they're not unreasonable.

[–]j_arbuckle20121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most top level RP guys are married or in serious LTRs.

Goes to show.

[–]tritter211Pragmatic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are actually looking at this backwards...

RP men are saying LTR's are shit in today's society.

RP is response to flagrant hypergamy that is prevalent in the west and is a response to feminist society encouraging women to suppress femininity and do whatever the hell they want...And it has reached a point where their fuckups end up becoming a burden to the taxpayers too...

If the social, cultural and financial and principles of law favor men and women equally, then, sure, I am all for promoting long term relationships...

But do you think its really a viable strategy for guys to have LTR's when the courts are biased against the guy? Or when the women choose to engage in hedonism in their early 20's to early 30's? Or when women actively file for divorce 80% of the time due to that infamous "irreconcilable differences" bullshit?

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because at some point she monkey branches away to someone she thinks is better.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there is like, several dozen RP lifestyle models, contradictory to one another, so you cannot generalise like that.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

One of the most misused stats. The one filing is also quite likey the agreeved party.

[–]Wallstreet30 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

So, 70% of men cheat?

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Is cheating the only reason for a divorce?

[–]Wallstreet30 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Maybe she got what she wanted from him and bails with his house and bed to sleep with younger men.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or maybe he's an alcoholic dick like my friend who filed 2 years ago. She made more money too.

[–]Wallstreet30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe. Maybe, but also maybe she drove him to alcoholic drink. Maybe she also slimmed down and realized she could trade up to that better man she was always wanting.

70% Divorce rate and he is responsible for her decision.

[–]GalliendI simply live with the pain32 points33 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

"Q4women: what does a high value Chad who is desired by many women gain by committing to ONLY you and getting once-in-a-while pity sex for the rest of his life?"

People's ideal scenarios, which fulfill their own imperatives, do not come from the realm of realism. And nobody ever said they had to be fair.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best answer. OP, you may close this thread.

[–]jigglypuff__0[S] 2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Women utilize AF/BB once they realize Alphas won’t give them what they want but betas will (aside from drive them sexually wild).

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

but betas will

A key pillar of TRP is don't be the beta who eventually gives her what she wants, because

(aside from drive them sexually wild).

Instead, work only toward being the "drive her sexually wild" guy, or die trying, but don't waste your time, energy, or resources on being a fallback.

"What would happen if every guy started following RP" would be a fun thread

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

work only toward being the "drive her sexually wild" guy, or die trying,

this is what TRP was SUPPOSED to be, but 99% of the trpers are whiny bitches who do nothing of that sort, just complain about their pathetic life without trying to fix it. For every guy who works hard to become a Chad, there is 999 guys who just hate Chads with envy flavoured tears in their eyes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a process lol...."anger phase"

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

These grapes are fucking sour. I'm one of those whiny bitches the difference is I'm self aware.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

so why don't you do something about it?

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because I've spent a lot of effort and ended up getting jack and shit. The amount of work neccessary to be attractive isn't worth it. You could buy fancy whores instead with half the money and time. I've spent so much of my life hating myself for not being "good enough" for girls. I will never do anything for a woman's attention again. The things they care about are fickle and shallow. Who gives a fuck what they think? I'm not some completely unnatractive blob, don't get me wrong, but I'm shy and quiet. I need to get a nice body, become charismatic, go to stupid ass parties, all this bullshit just for a chance to try and be with a girl that will leave me as soon as some hot guy shows up. I refuse to play rigged games and I won't give women power over how I feel about myself ever again. Sorry to rant but I believe whole heartedly in TRP, I just took the easy way out and gave up. Yeah sure, I'm a beta pussy, I admit it, bla bla blah, but I can't bring myself to try and prove I'm good enough for these women. If they don't want me, then they don't. They aren't worth the effort. I've been exercising for myself a little bit, working on my degree, but I'm not playing these stupid games that women love to. They want you to fucking act like James Bond 24/7. I'm not the kind of guy they like. I've always been an outcast. Some of us guys just fail, and I'm okay with that. As much as I can be.

TLDR: Because I don't feel like doing things I don't want to for women's approval. I would for myself or a job though.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because I don't feel like doing things I don't want to for women's approval. I would for myself or a job though.

Dude, but this is precisely the point. You are not supposed to that FOR WOMEN. Not only this would be stupid, but they would smell your desperation a mile away.

You should self-improve for your own sake. Work out so that you have storng and healthy body that will carry you to your 80s. Earn money so that you can follow your dreams and live a dignified life. Dress and look nice, so that people would respect you, and that you would respect yourself.

And most importantly, follow your passion love life and love people, simply to be happy, and as a side effect you build up your charisma.

Basically, you should aim to be the kind of a man you really want to be, your personal 100%. ANd surprise, women find this attractive. Not ALL women, but more than enough.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't particularly value my life. I'm getting a degree and my hope is to be an engineer, not for money or other STEMlord reasons but because I like machines and I want to solve problems. I don't love people cause I've lost my faith in them. I do try to dress nice, I avoid clashing colors and stuff but my style is unique. I agree with you but I just don't have that drive. I'm not one to let myself fall into uselessness but I'm not the guy that reaches for the stars either. I'm content with a decent job doing what I love and not being super fat rather than being rich and buff.

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

once they realize Alphas won’t give them what they want

Okay, why SHOULD the Alphas give them what they want?

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

They shouldnt, unless it’s what they want too. Shockingly, “alphas” do fall in love once in a while.

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't answer the question, so I'll reframe it:

If an Alpha wants a long term relationship, why should he have one with YOU? (figuratively, not you specifically)

That is a question women have to consider, just as you want US to consider what this hypothetical virginal woman gets out of sleeping only with us.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see, that makes a bit more sense. I think it almost goes without saying that exceptional men tend to seek exceptional women and vise versa. What constitutes “exceptional” depends on the traits one values in a partner, but it’s a good general rule to know your worth and not accept “meh” when you’re great, or expect great when you’re “meh.”

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

100%

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Women utilize AF/BB once they realize Alphas won’t give them what they want but betas will (aside from drive them sexually wild).

Men who think this don't understand female sexuality.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Really? What are we missing?

[–]AggravatingTartlet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most college-educated women get with what rp calls betas in their early to mid 20s and then marry them when they are 28 or so. Other women are a mix. Also, women are going through a process of maturing, just like men. Men like partying in their 20s and settling down in their 30s, but rp doesn't seem to accuse them of partying with party girls in their 20s and swapping to wanting wife-material when they're older.

I'm guessing that's because rp doesn't party in their 20s. Therefore, the biased lens.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

that the vast majority of men are neither AF or BB but somewhere in between, and this changes as they age, gain or lose money, gain or lose self respect etc.

Women very rarely think in terms of "this guy is AF, but this guy is BB". It is more like, they want a guy who is BOTH, end empasize different aspects of their wants depending on the situation.

Hence why MOST men are happy with their sex lives and love lives, statistically. Because most betas have enough AF in them to get the fire going every once in a while, and nearly all Chads have at least one BB moment every once in a while, accidentally forming stable relationships.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that the vast majority of men are neither AF or BB but somewhere in between,

Most men have whatever alpha they may have possessed hounded out of them.

Women very rarely think in terms of "this guy is AF, but this guy is BB".

Thinking has very little to do with the process of attraction.

Hence why MOST men are happy with their sex lives and love lives, statistically.

If they have one they're happy. Doesn't really take much to pleases us. The much bigger issue is does he get to keep whatever sex life he's got. I was perfectly happy with my sex life with my ex-wife -- right up until she kicked me to the curb for a much richer guy.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yet life seems to play out like that with almost no exception.

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Only if you are viewing it through a biased lens.

Most college-educated women get with what rp calls betas in their early to mid 20s and then marry them when they are 28 or so. Other women are a mix. Also, women are going through a process of maturing, just like men. Men like partying in their 20s and settling down in their 30s, but rp doesn't seem to accuse them of partying with party girls in their 20s and swapping to wanting wife-material when they're older.

I'm guessing that's because rp doesn't party in their 20s. Therefore, the biased lens.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You need to peruse r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/ for legions of examples of AF/BB women.

[–]j_arbuckle2012-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Taken mostly from garbage dating apps.

Seriously, that place is awesome entertainment and a good reminder, but it doesn't represent reality.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it doesn't represent reality then you must argue that those women don't really exist. If they exist then they are definitely reality.

[–]furcryingoutloudRed Pill Man26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If this is really an RP tenet, then I would posit that they are dead wrong. I support the RP movement insofar as things make sense, and this is not one of them.

To answer your question, if I were to meet a girl like this, I would move on, aware that I basically have nothing to offer her. I have a dislike for perfection. When somebody is that perfect, there are major flaws somewhere and that person has learned to hide them. Shiny coins are usually fake.

As far as N count, I have no interest in learning a girl's N count. N count doesn't necessarily define a "slut". Hell you could find a virgin who is a slut in her head and has not had the opportunity to actually behave like one. As well, I have seen full blown sluts turn into very respectful women and a model SO.

Life isn't black and white, and the more we learn to be flexible in our beliefs, the happier we will be overall. RP should be about respect and self improvement, not petty rules that limit one's possibilities in life.

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

N count doesn't necessarily define a "slut".

No, however a slut is usually defined by their N count.

INB4 Slut shaming.
If being a slut ins't a problem, then it is not a problem to call people sluts, if it's true, and an empowering term.

[–]furcryingoutloudRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, however a slut is usually defined by their N count.

Yeah, if you believe that the N count you're getting is real, sure. But then, I have this bridge for sale, real cheap, I swear.

If a woman is willing to fuck you within 20 minutes of meeting you, I don't need her N count, just get me the number of months since she was first sexually active and that should get you pretty close to a real N count. Then again, if she wants to play you, she can act like a full blown catholic girl next door and not let you fuck her for three months, tell you her N count is 2, conveniently forgetting those times she took it up the ass to keep a tight pussy for your idiot N counting ass.

If being a slut isn't a problem, then it is not a problem to call people sluts, if it's true, and an empowering term.

It is an empowering term to some women, and hey, whatever bakes their cake. I have no opinion, good or bad. People are going to live their lives, odds are they'll die alone, and in that moment, nothing matters. At least that's my philosophy in life. It doesn't fucking matter.

Given the chance, yeah, I may just choose a slut over a nice girl. They are the Ferraris of the carousel.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Pill Man12 points13 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Who says we will leave her when she hits the wall?

Most of the guys on /r/marriedredpill have wives well past the wall. You are making stuff up.

[–]AggravatingTartlet3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Most of those men probably didn't primarily marry their wives because of their wife's age. The guys were probably close to the age of their wives when they got married.

On the other hand, older guys who pursue women based on their age are more likely to judging their wife's looks as she ages, even though he's fast becoming an unattractive older guy himself.

[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You’re view of SMV is so off. Male attractiveness increases as they get older while women’s drop off sharply.

It sounds harsh, but that’s the truth

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Male attractiveness increases as they get older

Some men think this. It's not true. Almost all men and women look their best in their mid-twenties.

Men probably think men look better when older. But from a woman's point of view, men look their most sexually attractive in their 20s.

[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You are contradicting a LOT of evidence when you claim that. Some of the physical traits may go down, but their overall attractiveness goes up because they are typically more established in their field, make more money, are at their peak, and look like real men.

Remember when Cardi B said men are useless until 35? Not using her as the sole example to prove a point. But your experiences don’t disprove many many studies

[–]AggravatingTartlet-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Cardi B is wrong. Lots of men in their 20s are killing it with their own businesses. They are smart and focused. And I know this because I have my own business and am in that world.

Male attractiveness is tied to their looks. That is sexual attraction. Their status and money is a second layer, not tied to raw sexual attraction, but tied to relationship attraction. Another layer is personality, which will trump everything else in terms of a relationship, unless she is a golddigger.

Let me put it to you this way: A young woman and two men were shipwrecked on an island and knew they would not be getting off it for decades. Both men have engaging personalities. One man has faded looks but high status and income. The other men is hot but has a low income. Who do you think the woman will be getting with?

Answer? The hot, low income man.

[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is the most confusing comment I have ever read. You contradict yourself, and then use the worst example possibly imaginable to illustrate a point. DURRR if they were stuck on an island.....

Income and status are a secondary layer, I agree. However in regards to how male attractiveness changes with age relative to women, men ON AVERAGE get more attractive as they age until around the mid 30s. This is a fact, and has been proven many times. Whether it’s because they are successful in their field or not is irrelevant. The average male looks more attractive typically until around the mid 30s. It’s the way men and women’s bodies are different as well as how society views the opposite party.

[–]AggravatingTartlet-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

men ON AVERAGE get more attractive as they age until around the mid 30s.

They don't. Men are more attractive at age 25 than they are at age 35 and more attractive at 35 than they are at 45 - and so on.

That is a fact.

The only men who are more attractive later on are men with baby faces and/or baby fat/actual fat and feminine faces at 25 who grow to look more fit and manly at 35.

[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Please show me how that is a fact. It sounds like a subjective opinion. Just because YOU don’t think men get more attractive as they age doesn’t mean that’s what the general consensus is.

Believe whatever you want as to not disturb your false reality. The studies/surveys/evidence/etc shows is that women on average find men more attractive in their mid 30s until their appearance drops off. The SMV for men peaks in the early 30s while for women it’s early 20s. This is not my opinion. This is not how everyone feels (clearly) but the majority believe it works this way because it does.

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, SMV for men peaks at age 25. It's when they are at their fittest. Science proves that men's fitness peaks at 25.

RMV for men however is different and will peak much later.

Men consistently mix this up. Stats from dating sites will show women messaging men who are around their own age because women are more interested in relationships and not just seeking the most sexually attractive men or looking for sex. Some women who are looking for financial security will look for men much older than themselves.

[–]cassandrarose392 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think those guys are who she’s talking about

[–]eboy4hire5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP men are against starting a relationship with a post-wall woman, not against dating a woman who becomes post-wall. The idea is that if a woman gives you her younger years, the whole concept of being worried about her going post-wall is irrelevant. Since she's sacrificed her younger years fucking you, she deserves your commitment for life. People who leave for a younger version are shitty.

[–]rhyth75 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, at least from what I've seen from working in 3 male dominated factories that men chet just because they have the opportunity or if their wife is pregnant or just had a baby because men get very jealous of their babies.

[–]ight_here_we_go4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is what happens when you get on reddit and read the inner monologue of pure idiots.

[–]Banjeegirl6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was this girl. Lost my virginity in my twenties. Highly educated. The guy put me on a pedestal. I caught him high five-ing his bros when they saw me with him. He treated me like a trophy. He did propose but his cheating beat us to the alter. He cheated on me with someone younger and “non-virginal”.

Honestly a waste of my time and knocked me out of fantasy land real quick. I am oddly thankful I caught him cheating and walked away.

Tl;dr I got nothing. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[–]jigglypuff__0[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you me? Am I you?

Glad to hear you also got out.

[–]Banjeegirl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

High-five to us. =)

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand how people can genuinely be so short sighted. TRP is a reaction to the current western SMP. In today's SMP as a man your best bet is spinning plates and never marrying. However if we were to go to some magical space and time where hot young virginal women were offering up themselves for marriage than marriage would be a pretty good deal for men. TRP is about adapting to the environment you find yourself in.

[–]throwawayhouseissue1I talk to strangers5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, TRP is a reaction to the SMP. TRP exists because women generally say they want one thing but actually want another, then they change their mind after they get it regardless of what they have. And the law and society privilege any choice women make, but they still aren't happy.

[–]OHG12 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But women and men dont want to pick someone at 20 to marry. Youre a stupid child at 20

[–]Deadgirl18884 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And easily controlled and manipulated by an older man. A red pilled man's dream.

[–]OHG1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Youd both be 20

[–]Pontifex_Lucious-II8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How many times will I have to repeat it?

The male imperative and the female imperative are in direct conflict.

The male imperative doesn’t give a fuck what women want and vice versa.

[–]DoneBeenHadBeenDone2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This. I scoff at anyone who uses the word "complimentary" when talking about genders. That old trope about us being from different planets didn't come from no where.

[–]XtoDoubtMen Do It Too4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We're complimentary in the sense that we are better together than we are apart. But we do have competing sexual strategies.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

we are better together than we are apart

In some cases, like the way matter and antimatter are better together than apart.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Once you meet this beautiful virginal unicorn, what do you have to offer her as a RP man, that a “betabuxx” wouldn’t?

Regret. Oh nvm, the "betabuxx" gives her that too.

Hmm... STDs they get from "hoes"? Humiliation? No nvm the "betabuxx" may give her those too.

Headaches? same with "betabuxx".

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Wait... it isn't a coincidence that many Red Piller "bad boys" start out as "betabuxx".

[–]MerakiKosmos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably nothing, other than potentially a good time. I wouldn't call that a realistic expectation if you're one of those people, though. The young virginal people tend to be "saving themselves for marriage." so if you're not offering marriage and/or just care about their body you're most likely the type they're trying to avoid.

[–]Sparkey691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People here are either mentally retarded or extremely hateful to the opposite gender for some dumb reason. Or both...

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

will leave her for someone younger when she hits her “wall”?

Your basic premise is flawed if you recognize that 80% of divorces are initiated by the women in the relationship.

In any event I don't think anyone actually expects a virgin. Unless you meet when you're like 9 and stay together from then on it's a ridiculous proposition. It's hyperbole. Anyone that actually insists on a virgin - in a real life situation - should try getting laid at all.

[–]rhyth79 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

They don't leave, they cheat and when the cheating comes to light then a divorce is asked for. Many guys won't leave their wives (because she is a nice mommy replacement) but they will cheat on her. If they are too scared to cheat they still will flirt shamelessly when wife isn't around. Happens in factories a lot.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

They don't leave, they cheat

Surely you're not arguing that women don't also cheat? Personally I'd call this enough of a wash that it doesn't add anything to the conversation. People cheat. It sucks to be cheated on.

Sincere question: Would you prefer they leave rather than cheat? And would you prefer it enough to not put them through an almost guaranteed fiscal rape (in some cases life long) in a divorce court?

[–]rhyth70 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Nobody should use the word rape unless it refers to actual rape. 100% I would leave anybody who cheats on me because we did not agree to allow others into our relationship. I as a kid Who watched my parents divorce also am in favor of a badly matched couple divorcing even though they may have kids together. Keeping a bad relationship together just teaches your kids to expect the same from their future spouses. All my friends who had shitty parents are now themselves shitty parents with shitty marriages.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So that answers half the question posed. How about the second portion? Because while I agree with you in general about the use of the word - fiscal rape is completely accurate. I've seen it happen to to many people to candy that up. And I would say it's the financial realities that are directly responsible for the ones cheating instead of leaving.

[–]rhyth7-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

We should ask Terry Crews if being raped feels the same as losing a lot of money and posessions. I'm sure he'll agree they are entirely equivalent and he'll probably give you the pass to say the n word too.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure. And right after that we'll ask my friend Daniel. Oh wait. We can't. He was so broken by the process and the financial stress and losing all access to his 3 kids he killed himself in his parents garage.

Or we could keep the conversation on topic.

[–]fosho_away 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Or you could just call it exploitation instead of rape???

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Part of the definition of rape is "carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will". How is what we're discussing not that? And why are you so concerned over a label?

[–]fosho_away 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because you’re ingenuously omitting the more important part of the definition that it is about violating someone’s bodily autonomy. It’s absurd and insensitive.

[–]AggravatingTartlet1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your basic premise is flawed if you recognize that 80% of divorces are initiated by the women in the relationship.

Your basic premise is flawed if you don't recognize the percentage of women who leave because their husbands are seeing or chatting up younger women online or paying for sugar babies/sex workers.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have to see evidence of it to recognize it. Not saying it doesn't happen. Just saying I need sauce. Anyone can (and generally do) say anything.

[–]AggravatingTartlet3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's fair.

This has a chart that shows men cheat more at every age except under 30. And most people do not marry under much under 30 years of age.

https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/cheating1new-w640.png

https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

It also says:

"Although statistics on the link between infidelity and divorce are hard to find, my analysis based on GSS data suggests that adults who cheated are much more likely than those who didn’t to be divorced or separated."

https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/cheating3new-w640.png

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reasonable. Which, of course, raises the question of why. And how many are accurately reporting their own discretions in these types of resources. Anecdotally, and in my own direct experience, women across a pretty wide band step out more. They're just smarter about it and get caught less. But that is, as I say, anecdotal.

[–]jigglypuff__0[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Those are all based on Blue pilled relationships where women hold all the power.

Isn’t it the red pilled ideology to never get married much less settle down with an older woman when young women are out there to sleep with?

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

relationships where women hold all the power.

That's actually the blue pill bit. Red Pill says to retain your power in the relationship no matter what kind of relationship it is.

Common sense says avoid marriage as long as the legal, societal and fiscal decks are so severely stacked against you. Red Pill says "she's not yours, it's just your turn". Both of these things point to marriage being a bad deal from the male perspective. But within that there's a whole "Red Pill for the married" thing going on. So the two are not mutually exclusive.

In terms of older vs younger it's about what you value. Red Pill is, at it's core, a sexual strategy. If you value young and hot that's what you'll go after. If you value more then you'll go after that. The disconnect happens when women who are older don't understand why they are no longer desirable when all they're offering is what they offered in their 20s. Which is to say aesthetics and sex. If they haven't evolved past that then they lose when said aesthetics (inevitably) start to fade. This is where you get all the outcry of "Women are invisible after <x age>" and "where have all the good men gone" and etc.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two goats and a cow😏

Lol, seriously tho. Im not in the market for marriage or a virgin. This is general advice for girls who actually want stable relationships out of life.

Advice they can take or ignore, as long as they are willing to accept the results without bitching. But they will anyway

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear a lot of red pill men on this sub require that their women have no N-Counts.

Please provide links to the "lot of men" you hear so that I can read their words in context and get an idea what you're talking about.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I honestly don't know. Which is worrying because my gf fits this description and idk why she's even with me.

[–]playful_mythPink Pill Woman0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

She wants marriage and you don't?

[–]_Neon_Shadow_2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I told her I don't want to get married and she's fine with it 🤷🏾‍♂️

[–]playful_mythPink Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's alright then, not all women want marriage. Although she could change her mind. Or she's waiting for you to change your mind with time.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's always a possibility, will have to wait and see.

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a question only the "gorgeous perfect virginal young woman" can decide and answer.

She sets the "price" for her virginity and commitment.

[–]SILENTSAM692 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely nothing. That said why assume all RP men are the same? Many of us RP men are happily married and use the RP advice to keep our relationships healthy.

Edit: as for your confusion about RP ideas most RP men realise ideals are not common. These are guidelines. Like virtues they are goals, not minimum expectations.

I would say the main tenets are mostly about keeping calm if the face of trouble, or angry people/partner. High n-count women are less likely to stick around in a relationship, which is why those women are better for meaningless sex only.

Also no one says not to he with women "past the wall". They just acknowledge that women like that who are still single are often desperate and will say anything to get you into a relationship before revealing their true selves.

[–]jigglypuff__0[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

There’s a thread on this very post where some redpill men argue the only married red pill men are the ones who found TRP after marriage.

Does that apply to you?

They were pretty quick to disown and rebrand you all. One called your type a “married purple pill”. Doubling down on the belief true RP ideology does not believe in marriage.

[–]SILENTSAM692 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nope, I found TRP while in university before I met my wife. I met her in a feminist group I regularly hung out with.

I find the more toxic people from TRP were themselves only in that community because the incel and MGTOW communities were shut down. Many of them are dark too idealistic, and often ignore the most important parts of TRP which are about taking care of ones health, and ones mind.

Edit: that said I use to get a kick out or how the feminists would invite me to parties despite me laughing at some of their ideas, while they ignored the incel feminist types. I am no model, but I am 6'4" and healthy, and found that even feminists will look past your ideas if they like to look at you.

[–]rhyth72 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men are the same way, that's why they go for hot airheads

[–]SILENTSAM691 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Seems like our inner animal coming through.

We tend to react based on our instinct, and then rationalize why we took the actions we did after the fact as if it was what we had rationally decided at the time.

[–]rhyth70 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just have no sypathy for the men who go 'my hot young wife deadbedrooms me and only cares about my money but I didn't vet her enough to see if we had compatability because other men tell me that emotional connection isn't important and I thought I could trot her out like my ferrari to impress the boys at the office.'

[–]SILENTSAM690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you shouldn't. Dumb people act dumb.

[–]Red__Blue2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not to a valuable girls’s pragmatic benefit at all. If women were sensible they’d take the good beta losers. That’s not what happens. Red pill are blue pills who thought everything you did and realized it doesn’t matter in practice. Girls seem to think they want respectful boundary accepting good man. But they also want a man to do all the work in a relationship and not expect anything.

That means 2 things.

  1. He has to make you uncomfortable. At this point in time making a girl uncomfortable is synonymous with a raping.

  2. And they have to be willing to put in a lot of effort and charisma, and empathy and risk pushing and navigating the girl’s mind, all while knowing that she will, for completely arbitrary or random reasons, drop all their hard work on the floor.

What that means is that the only way to make steady progress in partnerships is to just expect them to have an expiration date, and get a lot of them. That way even if you tried really hard seducing a girl and it doesn’t work out, you’ve at least learned something, gained experience and made progress at it.

Committing to girls which don’t care, and assume you’re predatory is stupid. If women actually weighed commitment, and they actually knew how to appreciate men enough to even tell the difference between them then maybe some reds would offer.

But, for all the talk about commitment and goodness, well it doesn’t matter when we check the accounting. Ask a girl how many men they dated were actually an asshole, you’ll see where the numbers skew.

Tl;dr In sum, nothing except being lazily fed sexual gratification and emotional validation. That’s all they want.

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ask a girl how many men they dated were actually an asshole, you’ll see where the numbers skew.

A lot of people develop that opinion of the person after the fact. Ask a man how many women they dated were "psychos" or "bitches" and you'll get the same results. You have to take answers about ex-partners with a grain of salt, always.

[–]cassandrarose39 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is why they shouldn’t marry an alpha to begin with.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Automod please.

[–]cassandrarose390 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is automod?

[–]WorkaholiconewNo Pill, Leaning red, Brazilian.0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how to say it... but isn't the OP an heleniclady alt? There is serious writing similitudes between then.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If that's a real concern you should take it to modmail.

[–]WorkaholiconewNo Pill, Leaning red, Brazilian.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not a concern, just a hint. I have no way to making a investigation.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nothing.

I'm not interested either. She's packaged with a metaphorical control board with dozens of "EJECT" buttons of various colors.

[–]jigglypuff__0[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Glad a RP man finally said it lol.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. For me, "fat", "old", and "used up vajj" were always cherries on top of things that make modern relationship a huge satire, and such things as "she can get pregnant with your kid and abort it without saying a single word to you, and then get pregnant with someone else's kid and make you believe it's yours" were always way more terrifying.

[–]CMOAN_MAYNE2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re conflating two ideas.

The ideal isn’t to leave the woman after she hits her “wall”. The ideal is to marry her.

BUT

Under the condition where there is a deficit of marriage-worthy women, it’s better to spin plates than to settle with a sub-optimal partner.

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[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (23 children) | Copy Link

I swear the guys here don't realize the implications of half the shit they say.

Like when you say "All women have to offer is their looks and youth."

Then the logical conclusion for women is "Well I'd better take full advantage of those things while I've still got them."

[–]Wallstreet31 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

That is because women interpret it wrongly. It is a statement that that is all women think they need, and be, to get what they want and can be utter crap in relationships and men will put up with it because Vagina.

It is an indictment of female sexuality. Kind of like 'Men are pigs'.

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've heard men here saying a woman intelligence/personality/talents/whatever else aren't important, or they're at least far less important than a woman's looks and youth. They're not bemoaning the lack of women with good personalities, they're literally saying personality doesn't matter.

[–]Mulkvistee🌮🧃👻1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When they go there it makes me lol. Having been with my husband since 20, it's not the ingenue ez-mode looks-r-evrything perfection fest they imagine it to be.

[–]Wallstreet30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For sexual attraction your credentials is you attractiveness and beauty, personality only enhances or diminishes the experience.

For a relationship, it only gets your foot in the door. Hence theplate; sexually attractive but no redeeming relationship qualities.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They also say "pleasant, not fat."

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ve literally been told by a few bitter men in this sub that because I’m female, all I am is a vagina. I think that’s pretty straightforward.

[–]Wallstreet30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And it is a shit test, a challenge.

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's because they hit a wall where they couldn't come up with a way to refute what I had to say, and so they deferred to "you woman; woman bad." Unfortunately not an uncommon view around here.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I fucking know, right. This is why I hate TRP. They know the problem with women perfectly. What they do not know is that they're encouraging men to remain part of the fucking problem instead of encouraging men to stop being equally degenerate Chads.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

take full advantage

The difference lies in what "take full advantage" constitutes. TRP's perspective is that as a man you do not want to serve as the soft landing spot for a woman who "took full advantage" by playing the field when she was more attractive and thus more valuable.

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy Link

Getting pumped-n-dumped isn't taking full advantage, for most women it's an undesirable situation, they want the guy to commit and he won't. It's a poor strategy for female "nice guys" who think they can buy love with sex.

Taking full advantage means no casual sex (at least not for free), no perma-girlfriend, no one-sided relationships, only marriage to whatever man benefits you the most.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Taking full advantage would mean no casual sex (at least not for free), no perma-girlfriend, no one-sided relationships, only marriage to whatever man benefits you the most

TRP doesn't really talk about those girls, and when it does certainly doesn't say what they're doing is incorrect.

TRP talks about the girls who choose to use their youth on pump and dumps.

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

TRP's whole thing is trying to dupe women into serving male imperatives and then they're... Upset about those women getting duped into serving male imperatives?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

dupe women into serving male imperatives

As this guy put it:

It's 2 different things.

They want to marry the virgin unicorn but end up having to permaspin plates and not commit to them because "where are all da good ladies?"

Women are serving their own imperatives, say through casual sex (which I understand you believe to not be in women's best interest, but many women choose that path anyway), and TRP wants to help men serve their own casual sex imperative.

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

They want to marry the virgin unicorn but end up having to permaspin plates and not commit to them because "where are all da good ladies?"

I mean... Those are the women they ghosted because they wouldn't have sex by the third date. By the time the player is ready to settle down, those women are already married to men they met in college.

Dating is musical chairs, you wait too long and the "good ones" are taken. Do they not see how they're no different from the woman who spends her youth fucking players and then wondering where all the good men went?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are the women they ghosted because they wouldn't have sex by the third date.

They only do that now, after finding TRP, which many of them are led to by facing the difficulties of women preferring the "alphas" (etc.) who pump and dump them over these guys.

Yes, it's musical chairs, that I'd agree with.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

All TRP does is keep the vicious cycle of exploitation going.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're either at the table or on the menu

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

She gets pumped and dumped because she's genetically wired to seek out Chads, dudes who because of the extreme demand for them, are playing the field like crazy. Women keep getting pumped and dumped because they pass over or leave good men in favor of dudes with "alpha" genes. Women will even leave their alpha man when he loses his alpha status.

A woman can choose to stop getting pumped and dumped easily. But it requires actual moral character. Surprise, surprise, the misogynistic fact of life is women are no better than the "pigs" they talk so much shit about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women keep getting pumped and dumped because they pass over or leave good unattractive men in favor of attractive dudes

FTFY

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The privilege of being with them for the time being, right?

[–]LillthOfBabylon1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The red pill comes in two flavors:

The ones who don’t understand what love is, so they think all marriages is just prostitution.

The ones who are jealous of Chad because they realize they either have to bang an ugly chick or just pay for it

[–]ShotgunTRP2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Youre describing mgtow and incel

[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then you guys need to start kicking them out your group.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she does it right she will get half his shit...

[–]Tyler_GatsbyNo mas Sancho0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey it's Jigglypuff!

[–]WorkaholiconewNo Pill, Leaning red, Brazilian.-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it just me or the OP has a writing style pretty close to heleniclady?

[–]WorkaholiconewNo Pill, Leaning red, Brazilian.-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jigglypuff used lullaby...

[–]principledbeast10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A hard lesson on getting the payout up front, i.e. marriage.

[–]throwawy_122620170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I offer only my masculine gift of penetrating consciousness. Everything else is replaceable.

[–]MattcwuJust sticking up for the oppressed and voiceless women0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who knows? But, there are women willing to do it, in my experience, they believe they can convince you to get married.

[–]WhisperTotally LARPing. Really.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess you could ask to see the "pros and cons" spreadsheet that they made. This is what girls typically do before dating someone.

[–]jayval90PUAs are Blue Pilled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

See my flair. The Red Pill was about *rejecting* a certain societal view, not about establishing one. There's a lot going on within RP. In fact I would argue that there really is no such thing as the Purple Pill except as a subset of the Red Pill. We're all clawing for supremacy in this movement against the status quo. Let the best idea win, and let the worst ideas not be forgotten lest we need them later.

[–]rogicar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of those I fantasize about marrying.

The other ones are the ones I wouldn't marry and be discarded when she hits the wall.

[–]drsherbert0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women want their cake and eat it too(AF/BB) Many men get screwed over by the feminine imperative. Can we have the same level entitlement, or are we always the bigger assholes when it comes to dating?

[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men who want a virgin but also want women to slut around and sleep with them Is a pretty delusional red pill talking point. They want a perfect world and that’s how it would be.

I rarely see redpill people saying the only women they would settle down with has to be exactly 0 n count. Even I have to admit that’s extreme.

[–]masterpiece00Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A proper fuck.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are talking about an ideal.

Men think when they're 20 or 30 year old virgins they should be with 20 year old virgin women, and stay together for ever. So that both men and women benefit from the other's SMV peak and high sex drive. It is supposedly a fair deal.

Women, who go on the CC when young and then settle to a beta, are doing the equivalent to a man dumping his post wall wife for a younger one. Usually I don't see men saying that they deserve a hot virgin and then drop her post wall...

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I havent met any virginal woman of legal age so far in my journey. I also dont mind my fwbs fucking whoever the fuck they want. So the question boils down to "why are hot young women fucking you?" They admire the way I treat my gradma, i guess?

[–]Kos_-_Omak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where did you get that idea? If some beautiful virginal unicorn gave me the best years of her life, I wouldn't divorce her just because she got older.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disclaimer: Im more of a Steel Pill than Red Pill, and I DGAF if a girl is a virgin. But otherwise I plan to keep spinning plates and allow no long term commitment. What do I have to offer?

- I look very good for my age (33), and Im more fit than most guys even 10 years my junior

- I fuck very well (their opinion not mine) and can make a woman orgasm almost every time

- I make very good money, have a nice house, and I spend freely on those I care about

- I offer maximum freedom to my partners, only want sex, friendship and basic respect in return. I give no fucks what they otherwise do with their time, money or pussy, as long as I get my share.

- I have a strong, confident "achiever" personality, but unlike most Alphas Im very laid back and have zero anger, jealousy or pettiness in me. I can make a woman feel safe with me, but Im not a petty dictator like most alphas.

- I already have kids, got a vasectomy, and do not plan to procreate further. Im looking only for dedicated childfree fuckbuddies/temp girlfriends, and the fact that I will not and CANNOT put babies in them works like an aphrodisiac to that particular group.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone who spins plates, spinning plates is a drag. I'd easily throw it away for a proper woman.

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you're confusing 'the wall', a very specific modern social phenomena, with a natural process of aging

nobody in his right mind, red pilled or not, is averse to aging in and of itself. what many are averse to however, is women finally deciding they're ready to settle down our of fear of being alone, and then complaining when it doesn't go their way, and then blaming all men for it

I don't mind my lady getting old when I'm already with her and when she's been loyal to me all these ages. that's because I would see her more than just a sexual object. but many women these days don't think of themselves as anything other than a sexual object. that's the most they can share, or rather give, to anyone.. ofcourse there would be disappointments from all sides

[–]escapethesolarsystemActually Too Red for "EC" Snowflakes on r/TRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She gets nothing. That's why I wouldn't have sex with a virgin unless I intended a serious relationship with her. Perhaps I'm different than other more self-centered red-pill guys in the sense that I feel a greater responsibility to society to not pee in the shared soup pot. "Pump and dumping" virgins so you can share it on the internet or stroke your ego is shit behavior.

[–]honeybooboo500 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are fetishizing women, people who want virgins and want to count their bedpartners are in general low-value men and non existent in real life because they are always inside, they are at the bottom of the food chain amongst humans. They will get darwined out so there is kinda nothing to be curious about, they are just an error. My friends and exes have never been like that, and i have met the greatest men on tinder, where i know i wont be judged that way :) i know what to put in my bio there to avoid the fuckboys and only filter out the high quality men with great jobs and good looks. If i want a great relationship all i have to do is snap my fingers. There is nothing to worry about us 30 year old women, we are living our best lives.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dear redpill men, why do you do X if X is hypocritical and misogynistic?

These posts are so dumb. Red pill guys want free pussy, there is nothing to gain in being with a trp guy because TRP is entirely about getting free pussy, the point is most girls are stupid enough to fall for it. It's 100% for the guys benefit. That's like the whole thing.

[–]gasparddelanuit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't spin plates with a beautiful, virginal, unicorn. She wouldn't be virginal or a unicorn if you could. That girl probably will get marriage or long-term commitment if she wants it.

A man who does not want marriage or long-term commitment does not care about N-count and will happily fuck "sluts". A man who does want those things can marry the unicorn. If no such unicorns exist, he can either make do with what is available or not marry at all.

[–]6penisdickcock90 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

For us what women get is not important

[–]OHG11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Likewise thats why they arent fucking most men lol

[–]taylorman8181-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If I had a gorgeous virgin girl. I wouldn't leave her ever. I mean I have a 6 figure job. But what does she have to offer other than sex. I have obviously worked hard to get to where I am. It isn't hard to not have sex. Actually not having sex as a woman is a bigger reward to a man because it shows you didn't sleep with every dude you could get your hands on. If a girl with a high body count comes to you and wants to be in a relationship. It feels more like your the next one in line rather than the woman actually providing a relationship where you feel special.

That's where the wall comes into play. Why after all my work and success settle for someone used up who can provide me nothing. A person who couldn't show any restraint who became a shell of someone who was once emotional and passionate about the sex they had. A virgin who held on would be a more romantic and fulfilling relationship than someone who is shallow because they slept with so many people that sex to them and relationships aren't special.

[–]VexingTetrimino1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

what if she makes the same or more money? or her work was very impactful?

[–]taylorman8181-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then she would be worth more to a relationship. And I am not trying to say that there are a lot of women out there just trying to get by with sex. Many are successful. But some as soon as they get with a successful guy they drop everything and just let him support her.

For example. My friends dads wife used to be a school teacher while he was in graduate school. He got out and started making 7 figures and she immidiatly quit her job that year. That is what I am talking about. The man of the house shouldn't be the only one who contributes to a relationship. I don't care if the girl works a McDonalds. Just bring something more than just sex.

[–]VexingTetrimino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's kinda an extreme example but let's run with it. if one spouse were to bring in 7 figures annually isn't it perfectly reasonable that the other wouldn't need gainful employment outside of the house? the practicality that their time is worth more per hour than whatever mcdonald's can pay them is the reality. with such a large salary they could afford cleaning people, a nanny, and frequent restaurant meals, a bookkeeper even. highly doubtful that a 7 figure spouse married to a mcdonald's employee exists anywhere. but let's keep going with it anyway.

by extending your own logic, do you feel that a 7 figure spouse has zero need for marriage because they can provide for themselves and have lots of opportunities for sex? you know, since your only criteria for contributing to a relationship money and genital contact. hmm.

i'm the breadwinner of my household and i can without hesitation tell you that my hubby contributes more to our relationship than just giving me glorious D on the regular. he helps manage the household, raise our kids, attend to extended family, plan for the future. there's nothing like knowing we have each other's backs in ways seen and unseen. we are a team and he makes me so happy. tell me again how i don't need him?...

not sure if your caricature of marriage comprising of money and genitalia comes from inexperience, misinformation, mean-spirited wishful thinking, or maybe a little bit of all those things.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They've been rewarded not having to sleep with you...

[–]taylorman81810 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And that is the kind of one way personality that make men turn Red Pilled. Your the kinda person who can only have it her way I presume?

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just call me burger King

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

First off, lets separate RP ideology and RP men because those two are entirely two different things.

To address your second paragraph, let me just say that you're right. This is primarily due to pair bonding. The lesser the N-count the stronger the pair bond. BUT, this is just a concept. It is different for other RP men who would rather enjoy the decline and just spin plates.

Ignoring 30+ basically translate to women who have crossed the wall, It's not a specific age. Again, it's a concept. Not everyone follows this rule. It's just a guideline because women get harder to vet the older they get.

[–]M4sterDis4sterMediterranean1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's just a guideline because women get harder to vet the older they get.

Really ? I got the opposite feeling.

[–]IFuckingHateAllergyRed Machiavellian1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They have more baggage and are better at lying,

[–]M4sterDis4sterMediterranean0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine with me, but you are also older and you should have developed betters filters. If you are 25 years old or older, you should know when someone is lying to you or at least being secretive.

[–]HIJKelemenoP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They provide what every other Chad provides to pre wall women.

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

No one, except desperate guys, want sluts.. this applies to non-RPers too. That's why women LIE about their numbers by the way of underplaying it.

Really your question can be answered by asking why women underplay their number. Don't believe the garbage some women on this sub will say as they're benefiting from internet anonymity; IRL would be different. They get a quality dude and the idea is to keep him happy so he doesn't leave them when they hit the proverbial wall.

"Leave as soon as they hit the 'wall' ". Did you even *read* TRP properly? This doesn't require in-depth reading, even just skim reading would show you that's not true. Some of these questions highlight ignorance or outright intellectual dishonesty.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

"Quality" dude who cares = middle management beta bux provider at best. CMV

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

In your view, yes. Hence your misrepped understanding.

For women, it is more: top tier; more than mid-management; they'd go up to C-level exec, that'd be a lot of quality), who is also physically fit... all the shit women say they want. Basically an alpha- a guy other women want.

At least try to pretend that your view doesn't highlight a massive chip on your shoulder. XD

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I am tight w the C level of my last few companies. It's not so simple but there is definitely a background of privilege and UMC nepotism. The men are def alpha but not even remotely Im the way of online terps.

And I'm 42, I guess I have a chip on my shoulder but my life is very comfortable and I've worked the system well so can't complain too.much

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure you're tight with the C-level execs. xD

Yes, Mr. 42 year old who can't possibly embellish shiz over the internet.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why you jumping on me? It just happened that my last few companies had the modern "Cxo" works out w the little people culture. I'm not bragging that I'm bosom buddies w Satya Nadella or anything.

Tight wasn't an appropriate descriptor tho, you are right. I was running a fever this morning but I'm normally pretty retarded as is.

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if your idea of "tight" is the same as what the context from my message was. Obviously it wasn't going by the content of your message. It reeked more of "I'll use some keywords to try and bolster my point".

I don't need to mention any C-levels I know because I don't feel the urge to qualify my points with anecdotes like you did.

At least you're honest.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck you and your hard on for me.

😘😘😘

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aww, did I hit a nerve? ;)

[–]Teflon081910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is kind of a non-sequitur, because the men who don't want to get married aren't the ones who place any value in a woman's virginity.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, RP is a reaction to the modern woman, who doesn't have a low n-count. A virgin isn't enough for me to want a marriage, but it's enough for me to have a long term honest commitment.

The truth of the matter, RP men aren't ideal for that "unicorn". That's why they are RP, because they realized the truth, which is that that "unicorn" doesn't exist in the modern world. Her Ideal would be the "betabuxx", but the "betabuxx" wouldn't be a "betabuxx". The definition of a betabuxx is the guy that settles for a high n-count woman. He becomes betabuxx because he allows himself to be mined for the best that he's got throughout the best years of his life while accepting a woman who gave away the best of what she had throughout the best years of her life to other men. In your case, she didn't give her best during her prime to other men, she is giving her best in her prime to him. So it makes sense that he gives her his best during his prime.

[–]chillUglyCuck 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

One of the main things to get from TRP is that unicorns do not exist. Which means your wuestion would be irrelevant in context on TRP because that kind of girl would never exit.

Now if she only says that she'll be with you forever and you are the "one" then you absolutelly should not settle with her because at the end she will still branch swing and lose her SMV over time. The best case scenario is creating a family with her with some clear boundaries like: FWB thing, when you both take care of the kid, if she decides to not be sexually involved with her after few years, you forget her and move on. You still take care of the kid , teach him TRP,

[–]jigglypuff__0[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re fine with your wife fucking other men while you’re married? What is a FWB marriage?

What if she never dead bedrooms you? You’d be fine with a traditional marriage?

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I make really good eggs in the morning.

[–]RRBeachFG2-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure I would marry the unicorn, but than again theyre called the unicorn for a reason (shes non-existent)

[–]Joey_Lopez-2 points-1 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

If she acts right I wouldn't replace her for a younger girl. Wouldn't get legally married but she would have a wife benefits as long as she is with me. I still wouldn't get legally married because I'll be damn if I'm paying her while she's screwing someone else.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What wife benefits?

[–]Joey_Lopez0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Provisioning, leadership, stability, a home, etc.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No legal rights though. A home in what your name? Then you die. Or you end up in the hospital incapacitated? Then what? Also leaders have succession plans and goals and objectives and a plan to get there. So what does that look like?

[–]Joey_Lopez0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes a home in my name. Also everyone in America has rights, but if I get married she'll have more rights than me. Also working on the long term plans.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmmmmmmmm. K.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Why would she be with you if you don't want to marry her? What the hell does she get out of it?

[–]Joey_Lopez-2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of people are together that are not legally married. Where I'm from people get married after they already been together 10+ years and have kids already.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but if she is gorgeous, perfect, and a virgin, why should she sell herself short by committing to someone who won't commit to her?

[–]Joey_Lopez-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I will be committed.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You won't marry her. Many, if not most, women who hold on to their virginity past the age of 18 have religious reasons for doing so. Why would such a girl give their virginity to a man who won't marry her?

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Till you are not.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But why would she be your forever GF when she can find an attractive man who will marry?

[–]Joey_Lopez-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No one I know is getting married. I think only one of my childhood friends got legally married. We also don't need papers to get married.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am not telling you to get married. But there are legalities in the US that make it appealing and if you are in the US which I doubt then you are poor or working class. If some chick is dumb enough to be a forever girlfriend I cannot stop her.

[–]Joey_Lopez0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

She wouldn't be a forever girlfriend. We don't need the government involved to be husband and wife.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are not married you are forever GF. If you are married you are wife.

[–]Shadow_Of_Chad-Lite-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Leaving women once they hit the wall isn't a redpill ideal.

[–]beckabunss-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What does ‘spinning plates’ mean?

[–]MuleFool42-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess the question is irrelevant as there are no virgin/unicorns, as a practical matter.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Strawman alert

[–]Purobuckle-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing, they deserve it though, just don't clue them in, it would be the ultimate fantasy if women weren't shallow. "Jaime Lannister voice": They're hateful people... and so am I.

[–]wickedogg 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

The only thing a woman is ever seeking out of sex is social status. Any guy who believes that a "gorgeous, perfect, virginal, young woman" will have sex with him knowing there will never be a relationship, believes that she will do it because having sex with him gives her higher social status.

Have you ever heard of the idea that after marriage women stop having sex with their husbands? The idea is that since the woman has nothing left to gain, she is no longer interested in sex. This has nothing to do with the reason why religions made it ok for men to rape their wives. Don't believe me, read this bullshit or go find some studies on your own.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even lesbians have a phenomenon called Lesbian Bed Death. Women just don't keep up much of a sex drive in a committed relationship.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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