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You see a lot of cope by older women mocking their male peers who prefer to date younger women (e.g. men that date 5-15 years younger). They will constantly say that men can’t handle their maturity, success, credentials, and life experience. Many of them completely lack any degree of self-awareness.

So many fail to see that adding degrees, fancy job titles, children, and/or “experience” riding the cock carousel does nothing to add to their SMV. In their minds since they judge men by their accomplishments, having these things raises their SMV. Experiencing a sort of delusions of grandeur that having these things at 36 makes their SMV higher than when they were 21.

However for men it does not work that way. A super hot 22 year old that is not college educated, working as a bartender will have higher SMV than the 37 year old office manager with a Master’s degree who shows visible signs of aging (e.g. crows feet, 11 lines, discolored/damaged skin on upper chest and neck, and fat deposits under chin).

Yet you will never see women admit this. They will say men can’t handle them and claim that the men like this are emotionally immature. There is so much cope and refusal to understand that men just like younger women! It does not matter if she is credentialed or has a high paying job, if she is hot and young we will take her.


[–]prostate-apostatespectacle beta56 points57 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same reason beta bux fail to understand why they get divorce raped after a few years. They are trying to negotiate attraction with resources and credentials.

[–]bluehorserunning61 points62 points  (87 children) | Copy Link

Probably for the same reason that men think that they ‘age like fine wine’ and that it has anything to do with attractiveness as opposed to resource hoarding by the elderly.

[–]Letseatthots[S] 2 points3 points  (86 children) | Copy Link

In general men age better. Up to a certain point many can’t tell when a man is 5-10 years older than their female companion. The couple will just look “natural” together.

Was just watching an old Twilight Zone episode and looked up the actor and actress’ bios and was stunned to see he is 18 years older! They look like an everyday normal 1960s couple.

https://twilightpwn.tumblr.com/post/92053099564/episode-67-stopover-in-a-quiet-town-in-the/amp

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They look like an everyday normal 1960s couple.

yu think that because of casting choices in old hollywood/tv, not because of real couples

[–]TheOGJammiesPlatinum Select While You Free Trial21 points22 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

LOL NOPE.

66% of men will have significantly thinner hair by 35 and 85% by 50. The only people you’re trying to fool is yourselves. Old men are obvious because they’re walking around with their scalps shining like a cueball.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

and yet, there is significantly more couples where the woman is younger than the opposite.

[–]Tomatoccino3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Younger by a year or two, not 10.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

actually, more like 5-6 years

[–]Tomatoccino2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not that often.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

often enough for the sake of this discussion. Only a small number of older men pursue younger women, and there is almost enough younger women who want them in return. Supply meets demand.

[–]lestratege0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

Men SMV is based on both physical attributes and social ones. Nobody says that men look better at 45 than at 25, but that at 45 they grew their social attributes to compensate or more their declining physical ones: he is better dressed, more assertive and rich.

For women, there are NO social attributes that can COMPENSATE the decline of physical traits that make up most of their SMV. That's what women refuse to understand: none of the non-physical traits that they find appealing in a man enhances a woman's SMV. Quite the contrary, many of those actually decrease her SMV.

So as a result, men compensate their lost of physical attributes with social ones to keep or even raise their SMV until 45. Women have nothing to compensate their loss of physical attributes so once past 25 it goes down and then plummet after 35.

The only social attribute that they can have to compensate such loss is to be the mother of a man's child. This means her SMV is still high but only with that particular man. They often fail to realize that that plus becomes a huge minus if aimed at other men. So all these single mothers are like 'my children are my world' because they don't realize that this is only a huge plus for the father of said children, but a huge minus for others.

Men age like fine wine because good old wine doesn't have the same qualities as good young wine. Women age like bad wine, they become like vinegar. It is great for lots of things if you mix it, but in itself it's just repulsive.

[–]TheOGJammiesPlatinum Select While You Free Trial10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Men SMV is based on both physical attributes and social ones. Nobody says that men look better at 45 than at 25, but that at 45 they grew their social attributes to compensate or more their declining physical ones: he is better dressed, more assertive and rich.

Sounds like he’s just paying for pussy. You’re basically trying to buy your way into a market that women have access to at any age.

The only social attribute that they can have to compensate such loss is to be the mother of a man's child. This means her SMV is still high but only with that particular man. They often fail to realize that that plus becomes a huge minus if aimed at other men. So all these single mothers are like 'my children are my world' because they don't realize that this is only a huge plus for the father of said children, but a huge minus for others.

The fact that he has kids also lowers his SMV too, which is what you all fail to understand. That’s a massive barrier to most of the young single women you all seem to want - you all have massive baggage. Who’s going to be bothered with a man making child support and/or alimony payments every month to another woman’s child/ren? Only single mothers who have someone else supporting their kids as well. So sounds like you all are in the same boat.

Men age like fine wine because old good wine doesn't have the same qualities as good young wine. Women age like bad wine, they become like vinegar. It is great for lots of things if you mix it, but in itself it's just repulsive.

Maybe in your dreams but if you weren’t hot shit in your 20s and maybe early 30s, you’re not suddenly going to become a hot commodity at 45. Nor are you going to have the energy or stamina to keep up with younger women, who are going to want to fuck the hot chads their own age instead of watching you heave your old man beer gut on top of them every night.

 

I’m not understanding how you all keep maintaining this illusion despite all evidence to the contrary. I think you all see 1% successful men and think that will be you, but the 1% is not representative of men by a long shot. And to be clear, I don’t see 1% women going out sad either. Kris Jenner, Jennifer Lopez, Mariah Carey, Madonna - all far past the wall but stay with a young boy toy or a rich man. So you’re wrong.

[–]lestratege-1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

The fact that he has kids also lowers his SMV too, which is what you all fail to understand.

Only because it is a drain on his resources and resources is part of his SMV (not part of hers).

That’s a massive barrier to most of the young single women you all seem to want - you all have massive baggage. Who’s going to be bothered with a man making child support and/or alimony payments every month to another woman’s child/ren?

If he makes enough, bitches do not bother. Actually they probably see this as a future path of achievement for them. Child support in itself is not the problem, it is only if child support cripples his income (which to be honest it mostly does since the whole point of it is to have women leeching of their ex instead of the government). This is different for women: EVEN IF they are wealthy and do not need resources from their men, the very fact she has children from an other man cripples her SMV. For men, it is only if the fact of having children lowers his income so much that he is in effect poor, and thus doesn't have that very important social attribute for attracting women, and thus improving your SMV: money.

Maybe in your dreams but if you weren’t hot shit in your 20s and maybe early 30s, you’re not suddenly going to become a hot commodity at 45.

I don't know what circles you are in, but I can tell you that most of the hot shit of my 20s and 30s have long vanished: you can be the bad boy for so long. However, the hot shit in their 40s were seldom hot shit in their 20s.

At 45, fit and in the black, you basically have the following categories of women: 35+ singles that would probably push your wife under a bus for a chance to replace her; 25-35 singles, either low SMV or "newly matured" (ie she finally realized that bad boys are good for something but not all) hot ones, who would be glad to get in a LTR with you (to be fair, if it is maybe 10% of the single hotties between 25 and 29, this massively increase after 30); the occasional 16-24 who fantasize about fucking an mature men "because boys her age are so fucking dumb and immature".

I’m not understanding how you all keep maintaining this illusion despite all evidence to the contrary. I think you all see 1% successful men and think that will be you, but the 1% is not representative of men by a long shot.

I am not part of the 1% and we are not talking about the 1%. We're talking about the top 10 or 20%, which is a magnitude more many people. And I have seen it for myself and for many of my friends who have stayed decent looking at 45.

24 years old uni students who want to fuck: when I was 24, it never happened. I had to work HARD to bed a woman. Since I passed 35, I'd say one every six months is very explicit about it without me asking for anything, and I'd at least double that figure if I put any energy in wanting it and do the work like I had to when I was younger.

And I am not alone in experiencing that. Even feminist groups recognize that trend but of course they label it "men taking advantage of younger women" in order to not recognize the agency of these women and how fucked up the women's behaviors are.

You will find male prostitutes, however, for every one of them, you'll find ten times more women. This tells you something, about both the supply and the demand. Same thing here, so listing a handful of A-list celebrities with younger fuck boys won't change a thing. These younger fuck boys do not reproduce with these old hags. They take their money and then leave. Even Ashton Kutcher who is in the 1% did that: he might have stayed with a Demi Moore for 8 years, but he reproduced with a Mila Kunis within 2.

The biological difference is inescapable: I can impregnate a 25 years old woman. A 25 years old man will not impregnate a 45 years old woman. The youth and beauty of the female is 85% of their SMV, while it is 25% at best for men.

[–]_Tumbleweed-Gym Thot2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What country are you in where 24 year olds are still at uni? I smell bullshit.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they're really really slow?

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A 25 years old man will not impregnate a 45 years old woman.

Uhm, acshuallyyyy

[–]TheOGJammiesPlatinum Select While You Free Trial4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Only because it is a drain on his resources and resources is part of his SMV (not part of hers).

You’re supposed to be compensating for your unnaattractiveness with resources. If your resources are going to your first set of kids - then you really don’t have that much to spare on a new set of kids, and any young woman who has wide open options won’t bother.

If he makes enough, bitches do not bother. Actually they probably see this as a future path of achievement for them. Child support in itself is not the problem, it is only if child support cripples his income (which to be honest it mostly does since the whole point of it is to have women leeching of their ex instead of the government).

Again, 1% privileges. You are not part of the 1%.

This is different for women: EVEN IF they are wealthy and do not need resources from their men, the very fact she has children from an other man cripples her SMV.

Women will take a man with no baggage over a man with massive baggage every single time. You really think she’s stopping her mimosa Sundays and Jamaican Holidays because she wants to help you babysit your kids on the weekend? Oh please. And chances are if she willing to fuck your old ass, she’s probably getting banged out by hot locals on the side.

 

And let’s be clear, the only thing that cripples a woman’s SMV severely is being overweight. Any woman, anywhere, can find interested men until they literally are so old they can’t physically leave the house.

For men, it is only if the fact of having children lowers his income so much that he is in effect poor, and thus doesn't have that very important social attribute for attracting women, and thus improving your SMV: money.

Which is like 90% of men.

I don't know what circles you are in, but I can tell you that most of the hot shit of my 20s and 30s have long vanished: you can be the bad boy for so long. However, the hot shit in their 40s were seldom hot shit in their 20s. At 45, fit and in the black, you basically have the following categories of women: 35+ singles that would probably push your wife under a bus for a chance to replace her; 25-35 singles, either low SMV or "newly matured" (ie she finally realized that bad boys are good for something but not all) hot ones, who would be glad to get in a LTR with you (to be fair, if it is maybe 10% of the single hotties between 25 and 29, this massively increase after 30); the occasional 16-24 who fantasize about fucking an mature men "because boys her age are so fucking dumb and immature".

So you’re a 45 year old man hanging outside of high schools and colleges and you don’t get why women think this is predatory? And these women existing says nothing about your ability to snag them. And I don’t know where you are in the world but it is very much illegal to have sex with a 16 year old in the US.

I am not part of the 1% and we are not talking about the 1%. We're talking about the top 10 or 20%, which is a magnitude more many people. And I have seen it for myself and for many of my friends who have stayed decent looking at 45. 24 years old uni students who want to fuck: when I was 24, it never happened. I had to work HARD to bed a woman. Since I passed 35, I'd say one every six months is very explicit about it without me asking for anything, and I'd at least double that figure if I put any energy in wanting it and do the work like I had to when I was younger. And I am not alone in experiencing that. Even feminist groups recognize that trend but of course they label it "men taking advantage of younger women" in order to not recognize the agency of these women and how fucked up the women's behaviors are.

You will find male prostitutes, however, for every one of them, you'll find ten times more women. >This tells you something, about both the supply and the demand.

Women don’t demand male prostitutes because we can get on an app and get a 20 something to come bang us out at just about any point in life. Why would we pay for something that is so easily available for free?

Same thing here, so listing a handful of A-list celebrities with younger fuck boys won't change a thing. These younger fuck boys do not reproduce with these old hags.

They already have kids, and the money, though - why would they need more? Kris Jenner has like 7 kids. At that point no one cares whatsoever about whether these young men want to “reproduce”.

They take their money and then leave. Even Ashton Kutcher who is in the 1% did that: he might have stayed with a Demi Moore for 8 years, but he reproduced with a Mila Kunis within 2.

Demi Moore already had 3 kids before she even met Ashton, and they still got married for 8 years. So doesn’t this entire situation completely negate your assertion that post wall women and single mothers are undesireable? And even these women wanted more kids - sperm is cheap and abundant, they could absolutely make it happen.

The biological difference is inescapable: I can impregnate a 25 years old woman. A 25 years old man will not impregnate a 45 years old woman.* The youth and beauty of the female is 85% of their SMV, while it is 25% at best for men.

This part is especially hilarious because you really think sperm is some limited commodity women can’t “get” after a certain age. You’re the one having to do a LOT of heavy lifting and investment to get a 25 year old to rent her womb out to you. Generally by their 40s women have had all the kids they wanted, why would they want to be pregnant again?

[–]lestratege3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You’re supposed to be compensating for your unnaattractiveness with resources.

No, you're begging the question by defining "attractivity" as solely "physical attractivity". Which is not. All your false reasoning stems from this skewed definition. Attractivity is NOT just physical attractivity.

That is the whole crux of the issue. The distribution of physical attractivity for men and women within their respective attractivity is not the same: for men it is ONE of the criteria, and it can be a minor one.

For female it is the most important factor, and it is never minor. Thus males can work on their attractivity and change it (in good or bad), females can only fake theirs (and they do, with make up and stuff), and past 25 it only goes down, because biology. Make up and botox are only to hide this fact. A man can shave his head, women will still fawn on him if he is Jeff Bezos or Bruce Willis.

Women will take a man with no baggage over a man with massive baggage every single time.

Nope. Women will chose Ryan Gosling with 2 kids with an ex and a coke addiction, rather than clean Joe Schmo without kids even though he looks like Gosling but he is just a burger flipper at Burger King.

The massive baggage can be offset by massive social attributes: a fat pay check or fame. Nothing can offset the lack of beauty for a woman: she can only try to hide it. Or just accept it. Usually they don't though.

So you’re a 45 year old man hanging outside of high schools and colleges and you don’t get why women think this is predatory?

You seem to think that they are only outside of their uni, or that I am not inside of uni. You see, you have to try not to project your situation onto others and assume things that you don't know about. It is not because you are not in contact naturally and organically with young women, that everyone is in the same situation.

So yeah, I get to interact with university age females every day.

As for the "predatory" aspect, this is just more American nonsense. To say that you actually have to first think that women at 20 are not intellectually and mentally equipped with dealing with grown men so you think that grown men dealing with them is like pedophilia and hitting on a 8 years old because they "take advantage" somehow. In realitym, instinctively you recognize that females get attracted by social attributes displayed by men in their 40s, and thus you find it "unfair" and thus "predatory" to use this attribute. This is because you refuse to recognize that women are ATTRACTED by the fact that a man has a paycheck, and all the toys that go with it. Even though every online dating profile of females actually lists this ""Better have your place and a car", etc.).

This is actually rather mysogynistic and shows the contempt you have of young women: you think they are too dumb to know what they do if they want to fuck a 45 years old man that has a car and a house, while they should go after a 20 years old one that has neither. Well, that EXACTLY what we are talking about: what attracts women is not just physical attributes. It's just a MINOR attribute. SO yeah, young man looking like a Greek god will bed her, but average dude with a car and a house, will do too because good looks = car and house. She sure would prefer all, but you know, if she has to choose, she'd reproduce with one and live with the other.

This part is especially hilarious because you really think sperm is some limited commodity women can’t “get” after a certain age.

You skipped Bio 101. It's not a question about not getting sperm, men are always willing to ejaculate in anything, even holes I wouldn't stick my umbrella in, so it's not too difficult to get sperm. It is about NOT being able to be pregnant anymore, which is close to 0% chance at 45.

Generally by their 40s women have had all the kids they wanted, why would they want to be pregnant again?

They can no longer have any. So that's not a choice. It's like me saying I chose not to be pregnant. It is not a choice. And because they cannot be pregnant in their 40s, they have to be before.

And THAT is the reason why at 30 they suddenly stop chasing bad boys type. Men don't have a biological clock until MUCH later in life. Their SMV crashes WAY BEFORE their fertility, so they can keep chasing young women, AND THEY DO. Men of any age think that the most attractive women are between 20 and 25.

It's not the case for women: because their biological limitation FORCES them to shift priorities: what excites them at 18 no longer excites them at 30 and again it is different at 50. At 18, 30 and 50, a man gets excited by the same 20 years old female.

[–]TheOGJammiesPlatinum Select While You Free Trial2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, you're begging the question by defining "attractivity" as solely "physical attractivity". Which is not. All your false reasoning stems from this skewed definition. Attractivity is NOT just physical attractivity. That is the whole crux of the issue. The distribution of physical attractivity for men and women within their respective attractivity is not the same: for men it is ONE of the criteria, and it can be a minor one. For female it is the most important factor, and it is never minor. Thus males can work on their attractivity and change it (in good or bad), females can only fake theirs (and they do, with make up and stuff), and past 25 it only goes down, because biology. Make up and botox are only to hide this fact. A man can shave his head, women will still fawn on him if he is Jeff Bezos or Bruce Willis.

The attractivity of the average woman is so high you have to compensate as a man by being a literal billionaire or action star to even get close to the amount of attention. I’m not seeing how this is “winning”. You have to have other things to attract the opposite sex. A moderately attractive woman literally just has herself.

Nope. Women will chose Ryan Gosling with 2 kids with an ex and a coke addiction, rather than clean Joe Schmo without kids even though he looks like Gosling but he is just a burger flipper at Burger King. The massive baggage can be offset by massive social attributes: a fat pay check or fame.

So like I said, paying for pussy. Aka beta bucks.

Nothing can offset the lack of beauty for a woman: she can only try to hide it. Or just accept it. Usually they don't though

Actually a good plastic surgeon can and that’s far more attainable than being rich enough for women to overlook your raging coke habit

You seem to think that they are only outside of their uni, or that I am not inside of uni. You see, you have to try not to project your situation onto others and assume things that you don't know about. It is not because you are not in contact naturally and organically with young women, that everyone is in the same situation.

Ohhhhh you’re that dude on campus. The creep. LOL you better hope that stays under wraps.

As for the "predatory" aspect, this is just more American nonsense. To say that you actually have to first think that women at 20 are not intellectually and mentally equipped with dealing with grown men so you think that grown men dealing with them is like pedophilia and hitting on a 8 years old because they "take advantage" somehow.

LOL no, we know this because we’ve all been 20 and understand how different the amount of social influence someone has at 20 compared to an older well established person. And also because we’ve a experienced gross predatory creeps who take advantage of the fact that young women are socialized to be nice and not have appropriate boundaries with men, making them more susceptible to controlling manipulative nonsense that can seriously wreck and derail their lives. Older men who creep on much younger women rarely have good intentions.

In realitym, instinctively you recognize that females get attracted by social attributes displayed by men in their 40s, and thus you find it "unfair" and thus "predatory" to use this attribute.

No we don’t find it unfair, we find it sad. And we also know they’re not actually attracted to you, but what they think you an do for them.

This is because you refuse to recognize that women are ATTRACTED by the fact that a man has a paycheck, and all the toys that go with it. Even though every online dating profile of females actually lists this ""Better have your place and a car", etc.).

How are you telling us what we’re attracted to? You realize we’ve all been 20 before right? The vast majority of women couldn’t be less interested in old ass men with superiority complex and control issues. Some girls might sugarbaby if they need the cash but that’s the minority.

This is actually rather mysogynistic and shows the contempt you have of young women: you think they are too dumb to know what they do if they want to fuck a 45 years old man that has a car and a house, while they should go after a 20 years old one that has neither.

ROTFLMAO - Suddenly you’re worried about misogyny huh? Conveniently when you think it might benefit your narrative? You are so transparent and sad. And like I said above, a much older established person has more financial and social influence to destroy a younger naive one. These are facts.

Well, that EXACTLY what we are talking about: what attracts women is not just physical attributes. It's just a MINOR attribute. SO yeah, young man looking like a Greek god will bed her, but average dude with a car and a house, will do too because good looks = car and house. She sure would prefer all, but you know, if she has to choose, she'd reproduce with one and live with the other.

The vast majority of women are pregnant by guys their own age. And women work now buddy so a lot of them get these things on their own. This is hilarious that you think 20 year old women are dying to push out some 45+ geriatric sperm. You’ll be at retirement age before the kid makes it to college.

You skipped Bio 101. It's not a question about not getting sperm, men are always willing to ejaculate in anything, even holes I wouldn't stick my umbrella in, so it's not too difficult to get sperm. It is about NOT being able to be pregnant anymore, which is close to 0% chance at 45.

And like I said, so what? They already had kids in their 20s and 30s, who do you think is really wants to push out another baby at 45? Slim to none. You can just date whoever you want at that point there’s no pressure.

They can no longer have any. So that's not a choice. It's like me saying I chose not to be pregnant. It is not a choice. And because they cannot be pregnant in their 40s, they have to be before. And THAT is the reason why at 30 they suddenly stop chasing bad boys type. Men don't have a biological clock until MUCH later in life. Their SMV crashes WAY BEFORE their fertility, so they can keep chasing young women, AND THEY DO. Men of any age think that the most attractive women are between 20 and 25.

So beta bucks when you’re young, have your kids, get divorced then date who you want. I’m not seeing the issue. A 45 year old woman who is even moderately put together still has suitors.

It's not the case for women: because their biological limitation FORCES them to shift priorities: what excites them at 18 no longer excites them at 30 and again it is different at 50. At 18, 30 and 50, a man gets excited by the same 20 years old female.

And that 99% of those 18 year old females think your 50 year old ass is creepy old pervert old enough to be their father and can’t run away fast enough.

[–]lestratege1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The attractivity of the average woman is so high you have to compensate as a man by being a literal billionaire or action star to even get close to the amount of attention.

You're confusing an example and a reasoning. Many a bald guy have picked up younger women.

So like I said, paying for pussy. Aka beta bucks.

Beta bucks means direct transfer of resources. If she sucks my dick because she likes to ride in my Lambo, it doesn't mean I paid the Lambo for having my dick sucked (I hope you grasp the logical rule here, the relation is not bijective). Yet I still need money to pay for the Lambo. That doesn't mean I am a beta buck because I bought myself a Lambo.

Ohhhhh you’re that dude on campus. The creep. LOL you better hope that stays under wraps.

Yeah, the one who gets paid by the tuition you pay. Lol indeed. They actually pay me to have the right to be around me. Since women are fascinated by men in position of power, they gravitate towards men in such positions, even if it is minute.

"Creep" is really the qualifier of the mindless; it only evokes your gut feeling and just as what's in your gut, it has no value whatsoever. Start using your head more if you want to debate, otherwise it is just you expressing your feelings. I know that nowadays feelings pass for thoughts, but that just doesn't cut it outside safe-spaces.

And also because we’ve a experienced gross predatory creeps who take advantage of the fact that young women are socialized to be nice and not have appropriate boundaries with men

Oh yeah, again the removal of agency from women: "they are socialized" like that. Geez, with all the women in education from knindergarten to university, I wonder how come they have not yet overcome such socialization. Are women so bad at educating that they keep reproducing what men tell to do? mmmm...

Sorry but as usual you are just trying to rationalize something you don't like but you cannot pretend you don't notice: the fact that the same behavior is either condemned or wanted depending on who does it. If it is a young chad, or a smooth rich dude, then it is ok. It is not creepy. However you recognize the female tendency to equate those two so you have to say "it is not their fault, poor girls are socialized like that". From unwanted men (ie not handsome or not rich) then it is "creepy", the word that supposedly says it all. But "creepy" is just a feeling. You resting any argument on that shows that you are not driven by reflection or logic, but by your feelings.

How are you telling us what we’re attracted to? You realize we’ve all been 20 before right?

Because you have only the experience of what YOU are attracted to. Each 20 years old only experience ONE female's attraction (except lesbian of course, but that's another issue since they experience other female attraction but not that of the hetero women, the majority): the one they FEEL (hence they barely are able to put it into words).

Men have the experience of what dozens, or even hundreds of what women are attracted to, because we do have to take it into account if we want to get laid. Even if they fail, the failure is knowledge. That's why yes men are better suited to tell women what women are attracted to. Just like women know how to make up better than men, because they know from experience what works and what doesn't. So yes, I am actually in a better position to tell women what women are attracted to, no matter what they say.

Furthermore, you only rationalize your own attraction or repulsion (often without any depth with just a "creep", unable that you are to actually define things further), while men eventually realize that what women say are VERY OFTEN in contradiction with what they do, ie "oh no, this is bad.... " (yet proceeds to suck a dick). You know your own feeling, which you are barely able to put in words. So that is ONE person's experience through a false narrative. I know what dozens of women DO. I have indeed a much better knowledge.

You even admitted that older men KNOW BETTER than young women, and you call that "taking advantage". Well yes, it's call taking advantage of knowledge, this means being smart. Unless you are Ryan Gosling, no woman is going to suck your dick just by saying "I want you to suck my dick". So a man has to adapt, and has to make women think THEY want to suck his dick. The way he does that, is by exploiting his knowledge of how females behave. It's exactly what r/theredpill is about.

The vast majority of women are pregnant by guys their own age.

I suspect that you consider 2 to 3 years OLDER to be the "same age". You never noticed that age difference in couple is systematically one way (reminder: counter examples do not negate a trend).

This is hilarious that you think 20 year old women are dying to push out some 45+ geriatric sperm.

I didn't say that. Also geriatric would be 70+. I said there is enough 20 something that would be happy to get impregnated by a 40 something (and many actually do). However the reverse doesn't exist. Hell, it is biologically improbable. Biology is a bitch, but you cannot escape it, and you cannot escape its social consequences.

A 45 year old woman who is even moderately put together still has suitors.

Except if men in their 40s do date women in their 20s (which you acknowledged yourself by considering it unfair by saying it was "taking advantage" and condemning them as "creep"), the reverse doesn't really exist. Hell, even the Graduate eventually gets the daughter.

You know who the suitors of a 45 single woman are? Men who are ten to fifteen years older than her. A 45 years old man can and will pursue a woman who is 35 or even 30, no problem. Why should he go after a 45yrs old that has NOTHING left to attract him, since men go for youth?

The 45 yrs old woman will rationalize her "choice" by saying how mature, and what a gentleman, and well put together, and romantic (aaah those escapades on his boat...) her new suitor is, but the new suitor is going to be 55. If he could, he would bag a 35 years old, but past 50, you need LOTS of riches to compensate so most men have to be content with the 45 yrs old.

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It's not the case for women: because their biological limitation FORCES them to shift priorities: what excites them at 18 no longer excites them at 30 and again it is different at 50. At 18, 30 and 50, a man gets excited by the same 20 years old female.

Speaking as a post wall woman, this is crap. I have never shifted priorities and always picked men based on looks. Period.

[–]lestratege1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Speaking as a post wall woman, this is crap. I have never shifted priorities and always picked men based on looks. Period.

As a post-wall woman, you should know that a counter example does not invalidate a trend.

If you are going to pretend that women do not change the kind of men they are looking for along their life, shifting to "no more player" around 30, you need to check out women's dating profiles and preferences.

[–]AggravatingTartlet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what excites them at 18 no longer excites them at 30

Women stay excited by the same thing in men all their lives. Their relationship goals change though.

[–]AggravatingTartlet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men SMV is based on both physical attributes and social ones.

lol no. Men's sexual market value is based on their looks. Their RMV (relationship market value) does include both looks and income.

Women are not sexually attracted to guys whose looks have faded and who is much older than they are. All the money in the world can't make up for that. Money can buy women but it can't buy their instinctual sexual attraction.

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So as a result, men compensate their lost of physical attributes with social ones to keep or even raise their SMV until 45.

At least one of us got under the barbell at 45, and looks better than he ever did. Just saying.

[–]SFWonlyInvest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I gotta secret bro

I started on trt and hgh with some hair treatment and a daily skin routine.

Most girls think I’m 23/24 when I’m 33.

[–]Kos_-_Omak-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

66% of men will have significantly thinner hair by 35 and 85% by 50.

So 33% of men won't have thinning hair at 35? Shit that's better than the 80/20 rule. Redpill confirmed.

Meanwhile, 100% of women will be saggy, wrinkled hags by 35. And by 50 they shouldn't even be considered women anymore.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

jennifer aniston and lucy liu would like a word with you.

[–]Kos_-_Omak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lucy Liu has always been hideous, she looks like a shoe with Down's syndrome.

And Jennifer Anniston looks better than most other 50 year old women, but that's irrelevant. Any man who is truly honest and objective and not blinded by the celebrity factor would rather fuck basically any non-fat 22 year old instead of Jennifer Anniston's leathery, saggy, post-wall ass.

[–]i_cri_evry_tim-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

66% of men will have significantly thinner hair by 35 and 85% by 50

This sounds to me like “most men lose hair”. Not sure how this defeats the previous argument.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot15 points16 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

that man's skin is literally falling off of his face.

men really are shit at gauging aging its hilarious lmao

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Wtf no his skin is not

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

His mouth and eye area definitely show aging.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

“Show aging” is not the same as “skin literally falling off his face” that’s such drama

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean kandy is kinda hyperbolic that's kinda her style, but the dude does look aged (especially from other angles).

But late 40s men from the 60s did look better than they do now (obesity wrecks everyone).

[–]Kos_-_Omak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

His mouth and eye area definitely show aging.

Most 32 year old women show worse signs of aging than him even though he is 15 years olded. Wall confirmed.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

yes it is, that is an old man's face

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s a middle aged ish mans face, his skin is not “hanging off” you are so dramatic

[–]wellhellotherefellas-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No it's not. He looks older, but not old.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

to my eyes he looks like an old man lol

[–]Nodoxxintoxin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at the video still of that episode u/SpinachIsYummy posted. There are 47 year old dudes who still look great...he isn’t one of them

[–]Letseatthots[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

He is 47 and the woman is 29. He looks to be late 30s/early 40s to me. Full head of hair and trim. Not a bad looking 47, even nowadays.

This was in 1964.

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Nodoxxintoxin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Essen, good find on that one. He’s not exactly Jared Leto at 47, is he.

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was about to comment that he doesn’t look that bad but then I saw this. Yikes.

[–]TheOGJammiesPlatinum Select While You Free Trial3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

how is a black and white picture at an angle proof he looks young? You can’t see his sunspots since there’s no color and since he’s acting, he likely has on makeup. I’m so confused right now.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

he looks not a day under his age lmao sorry

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can I get your hamster a Clif Bar? Bottle of water?

[–]Jathrowaway974 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t guess an 18 year gap but he definitely looks at least a decade older than her. He’s more wrinkly and “seasoned” he had nice hair though!

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[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

What age do you think both sexes start deteriorating from their own peak physical attractiveness?

Another women here told me women at 30 and men at 35.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

deteriorating from their own peak physical attractiveness?

Another women here told me women at 30 and men at 35.

That seems about right. But individuals age at vastly different rates. Some people look old AF at 35. Others pretty damn good at 55. More men than women age well. However, that certainly doesn't mean all men age well.

[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you know of any life choices that make you age faster? I am thinking alcohol, smoking and stress are up there.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's a lot of genetics involved. Best a person can do is stay fit, don't smoke, drink in moderation, and eat your vegetables.

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also get enough healthy sleep if you can.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bratt Pitt looks amazing at 55.

[–]Oreoman1820-2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Women do find older men more attractive, but not because of their looks. In general I would say that men actually age worse than women do on average since we are the ugly/unattractive gender.

Despite this, women still find older men more attractive. Why? Because women don't care about the physical appearance of men that much. Women are not visual in their attraction, and I don't understand why more men can't see this. Women are mainly attracted to men for money and status and older men have a lot more of this than younger men. That is why women like older guys. It is not because they're handsome, but because they have large bank accounts and fancy cars, which is what women want.

[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Which shit women want you mean. Who would want to date those women to begin with? They have nothing going for them besides their looks so who cares? We are talking about actual confident cool women, the other women don't even matter

Actual cool hot women do whatever the fuck they want is the main truth. And logically they won't ever date someone who is 10+ years older simply because it is too awkward, in fact they rarely date guys 5+ years older than them. Then you have all the insecure and shit women who try to confuse everyone-- ignore them.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Which shit women want you mean.

Its amazing how many "shit" women there are. Lots of women are more than happy to have a rich but otherwise unattractive guy bail them out.

[–]bluehorserunning0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lots of women treat being a trophy wife as a job. There’s a whole subset of the world where daughters are trained to go into professional trophy wifing, and told that anything else is ‘below’ them.

[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Excuse my indifference but I don't really care. There are other more important matters to address first.

[–]bluehorserunning0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok, so....why are you on this thread?

[–]bluehorserunning6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Soooo resource hoarding by the elderly, like I said. Look at Hugh Hefner or Rupert Murdoch: they look like fucking morons, surrounded by playboy bunnies or trophy wives. Or Trump, for that matter. They might as well be fucking blow up dolls for all of the actual romantic love those women have for them.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because women don't care about the physical appearance of men that much.

Tell that to Jeremy Meeks and Jason Momoa.

[–]CaptDeadlift-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A man could easily go into his 40's looking at almost his peak exclusively body wise (excluding his fave since it will obviously change).

I highly advise men above 30 to go on TRT or do light steroid use as that will replenish his fading natural testosterone production (as long as he isn't overdoing it aka stacking 5 different steroids along with some SARMs he will be a O K and will not be seen on the 5pm news regarding a man dead from heart attack) and they will be able to keep their 20's body long into their 40's except losing some elasticity in their skin.

Inb4 I see replies with steroids=bad you guys have no clue how much steroids are used in remedies and being on steroids at a really small dose will have basically no negative effects( most are balding , not being able to make poopy time animals and possible liver problems of which 2 are irrelevant at that age and the last one can be avoided with breaks between cycles and doing PCT's).

So we assume both sexes take care of their looks and as far as I know there are no PEDs for women as testosterone is for men (as estrogen will lead to them getting fat).

Women ->28+ imo

Men ->36-38+ if they go my route otherwise by 30-33 otherwise you will find it extremely hard to stay as lean and with the same LMM as you were when 22 and jacked.

Medicine is a real blessing and we should make use of every bit of it.

Drugs are cool as long as they aren't cocaine or heroin :)

It might seem unfair but kids as young as 14 are prescribed on GH(growth hormone for the uncultured) to get tall and not live up to be 5'7 manlets.

Peak will always be where you look your greatest so you can't really pinpoint it (if a fat dude got jacked in his 30's then that's his peak).

Sorry for the long essay but hash gives me these long thoughts.

[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Any studies to back that up cap? I am at 30 and that means I would have to start soon. Or at least give me some good articles describing the protocol?

[–]CaptDeadlift1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of studies mate. It's very well known that by your early 30's your T levels will keep going down and that is the exact same reason why guys starting out in their 30's will see far worse newbie gains compared to a dude at 25 who is still in his prime years.

If you go on the fitness , bodybuilding , powerlifting , you name it , everyone will tell you the same.

If you are already going bald and don't want kids (already have) then I would hop onto the juice (hope you're not afraid of needles) otherwise you can basically say goodbye to the shredded look (if you are at all) by 35-38.

A 200mg test a week would give a huge boost to your life quality paired with a healthy lifestyle and dw you won't be a goner if you juice unless as I said you stack a ton of shit as there are several forms of steroids and PEDs.

Here you go https://www.webmd.com/men/features/low-testosterone-explained-how-do-you-know-when-levels-are-too-low it literally took me 20 seconds to google it with several more studies on the first page.

You can start saving up for your TRT unless you want to end up a fat boomer or skinny at best with barely any lean meat on you.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha. Women at 22-24, men at 27-30? That’s my opinion. But at 40, a guy can look pretty attractive to an early 30’s woman.

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[–]bluehorserunning5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Soooo until 50 they’re the same😂

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. That's what the study I linked you just said. Thank you for repeating it.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the confusion is that were talking about ppl in the prime of their sexual lives on here, not senior citizens no one cares about

secondly there are other signs of aging than the the face alone, u know, like one that particularly hits men that this study wasn't factoring lol

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok sample size of 88 (lol) and women age the same until 50?

By 50 you have to start worrying about your health taking a turn for the worse, getting ready for retirement, accepting death, etc.

Loss of SMV is trivial in that regard.

Also a lot of women lose their sex drive during menopause, so you would care even less.

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That study has seriously gotten my panties in a bunch. They picked a single ethnic group from a coastal area and holy shit that sample size.

Divide 88 by 7.5 billion (approximately). The answer is 1.173 x 10-8. That's fucking infinitesimal. Not even a percent of a percent of a percent, and should not in any way represent a legitimate sample of the entire human population.

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's not a study you can draw broad conclusions from.

[–]EsauTheRed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is one of those topics where it is too mentally damaging for women to accept the truth

[–]RPWthrowaway77 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The same could be said of men.. bald men are unattractive. Most older guys are unattractive, even guys that were attractive in their youth.

[–]Letseatthots[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Look he is 18 years older!

If it were the other way around it would look weird. Like he’s with his mother.

[–]bluehorserunning1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He looks older to me. If you want an anecdote, though, look at Demi Moore.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How deluded do you have to be to think this couple is the same age?

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't make things personal.

[–]ClassicRockSocialist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That guy was handsome lol, people being harsh af. Especially considering people aged faster back then. He looked maybe 37-40 to me more than 47, full head of hair and not overweight, just some light wrinkles. Jesus almost everyone has those nasolabial folds to an extent

Shit I've seen modern 47 year olds looking way older than him lol

[–]sparksjoy 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Notice that you exclusively talk about SMV in your post. You're thinking like a man. Getting sex alone is treated as some kind of accomplishment. Literally any 4+ woman with a vagina can find some dude who will bang her. Yes, including Chad.

Women (in general) care more about their RMV. Not just any woman can get commitment from a high value man. And ime there is definitely a correlation between a woman's age and the kinds of men (read: wealthier, more established) she can secure commitment from. There is a point where it arguably begins to drop off though (let's say mid to late 30's). If he has zero interest in kids and neither does she it's even later. I have childfree aunts who are still dating (usually divorced) high value men well into their 40's.

Edited to add generalization caveat

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[–]sparksjoy 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's...quite a rant you got there.

[–]Letseatthots[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He speaks the truth.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No everybody gets why schlub man finds the hot uneducated bartender more attractive they just know it is not happening.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A man trades older pussy for a younger pussy. A younger pussy divorce rapes him. Whines about not being wanted. The cycle is complete...

[–]Nodoxxintoxin9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“It does not matter if she is credentialed or has a high paying job, if she is hot and young we will take her.”

You will take her? For what, marriage? Not the men women want. Highly educated men marry educated women . 92% of men with professional degrees marry women with at least a BA, Only 8% marry HS graduates.https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/educational-endogamy/

[–]reluctantly_red32 points33 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Any guy who thinks it's a good idea to marry an uneducated bar tender deserves what's coming his way.

[–]prostate-apostatespectacle beta4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What if the guy is uneducated himself.

[–]reluctantly_red16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Then he's got more problems than just finding a girlfriend.

[–]Letseatthots[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are you so bigoted towards those that don’t have a college degree? Are these women supposed to curl up and die because they didn’t get some liberal arts degree?

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In today's world not having advanced skills is a problem. Most people get these skills by going to college.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then he’s a man-child and is dating a girl his mental age.

[–]Letseatthots[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Who said you have to marry them?

Also she could be street smart or know how to knit or cook up a hot plate. Perhaps her dad is a blue collar and she has mechanical skills.

Better that than a women with a feminists studies degree who hates cooking.

[–]reluctantly_red8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah -- good luck with that -- don't say we weren't warned.

[–]ontherailstoday7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who said you have to marry them?

If an old dude is getting it from a young woman he almost always falls for her and wants her to stick around to wipe his ass in old age. And she almost always wanders off to do other stuff. Don't say you weren't warned.

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If an old dude is getting it from a young woman he almost always falls for her and wants her to stick around to wipe his ass in old age.

Bullshit. We know the score.

[–]ontherailstoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact you're trying to keep the door open to dump her yourself doesn't mean you won't become possessive with a gal whose SMV is higher than yours.

[–]Undead_Chronic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The hatred for low class women that these 'educated career women' have is disgusting.

[–]Undead_Chronic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good sex?

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps but a lot of not so good stuff too.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What does an educated woman have over a hot, young, tight 18~21 year old?

[–]reluctantly_red8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

A brain.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

An intelligent woman doesn't get my dick hard. It does the opposite.

[–]DaphneDK42TEMC (Trans Exclusionary Male Chauvinist)0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think education is more often the product of intelligence or opportunity?

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its both -- all the opportunity in the world won't save a person who is dumb as a rock.

[–]M4sterDis4sterMediterranean6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They get it and lower standards accordingly, especially in looks department. This is why a lot of men get chance with much more attractive women later.

Only truly good looking men will look good in their 30s too ( even better ) and have younger females interested in them sexually.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word27 points28 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Because we know normal men irl who are attracted to us and are nice and are not weird about age like you guys online who would be lucky to get with any woman.

Normal guys can passingly think some sorority chick is hot and then lol and live his life and love his wife. Just like I can think a young fit celebrity guy is hot and lol and move on because we are normal and don’t take passing impulses deadly seriously like the weirdos on here.

That and the men who rigidly insist on this are almost always the exact type of men we encountered at young ages, which it’s painfully obvious now they only wanted to exploit our relative inexperience and naïveté. It’s so obvious in hindsight.

[–]Undead_Chronic2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

are not weird about age like you guys online

Guy's seem 'weird' online because they tell you the truth. Dudes in real life lie to you cause they want pusssssssy

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don’t need a man to tell me what I observe irl.

Btw all of you proved my point by ignoring the part where men are not immortal forever living in their mid life crisis.

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[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be Civil.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

don’t take passing impulses deadly seriously

"The secret to happiness is burying all your true feelings and living a life of bland compromise"

-Lois from Family Guy

[–]wellhellotherefellas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lois from Family Guy

Truly the wisest words from the wisest people.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But seriously....maybe some of the people who follow their impulses are actually happier. Try it sometime.

[–]Jathrowaway974 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They’re usually not. Especially not after the consequences catch up to them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't have to avoid the consequences forever, just till death lol. But in any case there are ways it can be done that are less damaging versus others that are more....really the threshold you're trying to reach is "more utility overall than however they're telling you to be (e.g., resisting the impulse)"

Discipline is one thing, but I think a lot of people fall into the trap of conformity and repression of true desires for its own sake, to feel like they're "somebody" in an ever expanding and ever alienating, rootless society, when the benefits for that kind of conformity are lower than they've ever been

[–]Jathrowaway971 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depending on how impulsive you are, you won’t always be able to dodge the consequences. I agree on your last point. You shouldn’t be overly repressed but having no self control is problematic as well.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be Civil. Don't insult other members.

[–]Letseatthots[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m sure you unknowingly encounter men “like us” in your everyday life at work, neighbors, family, friends and have no idea this is the way they think in private. It’s just not socially acceptable to verbalize it in front of women typically.

Behind the smiles, door openings, and other pleasantries are men that think like this.

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah no duh that’s why we are cautious and slow to trust men, as you all complain about constantly.

[–]ontherailstoday10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh we understand it just fine that young people are physically gorgeous. Young men are snacks too. What we don't understand is why the old men almost always end up thinking the girl is with them because of their manly attractiveness and it is gonna last and should last with a young girl. She's going to grow out of whatever phase or need had her willing to put up with saggy man boobs and sad semi-soft-ons and then she'll be gone with all the resources you put in to her living expenses, luxuries, entertainment, getting her a car etc and you'll be a few years further away from having been genuinely physically attractive. Which is how it should be and so long as men would just suck it up and not have tantrums we'd have nothing to say about the matter. Just a young ho, hoing it up with an old john, nothing to see there. She's not going to be in the mood to settle for someone like you just yet, you were there to make sure she didn't go without during art school and had assistance in case her bartending job fell thru.

[–]ForeverNandrolone1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Almost always think it’s going to last? Who thinks this? What’s the examples you have even ones from real life?

I actually started dating younger women because the older women I was dating almost all had stories about dating older men when they were younger and how it was often pretty nice.

I have no illusions that it’s going to last. I actually had one relationship that I should have taken more seriously but I didn’t because I knew it wouldn’t last.

I know one guy who married a young Colombians and she divorced him after she got her green card but he’s not bitter.

[–]ontherailstoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What’s the examples you have even ones from real life?

About 80% of the age gap relationships I've known in my friends and acquaintances. Oh it may start as him thinking he's just having a fuck but the sexual value gap always suckers him in, always, and eventually he's whining bitterly to his friends while they just roll their eyes. The other 20% that actually lasted were ones where the couple had a very long lead up involving many hours of interaction in a nonsexual context before the sexual relationship was initiated.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah, a whole generation that doesn't remember cheering on that dude who banged Stifler's mom.

[–]Letseatthots[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The desire for older women is more of a young man’s fantasy. When I was 16/17 I was jacking off to porn stars in their early-mid 20s. I thought it would be a dream to hook up with someone older than me.

Same thing in my early-mid 20s. I thought it would be a confidence booster to bang a late 20s/early 30s female.

However after 30, older women start to lose their appeal. You start to really be attracted to women in their 20s, not women older than you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, fair enough. I know plenty of 30-somethings and up going for their own age range, plus or minus five years or so, though. Obviously, if dude is 30 and chick is 25, it falls both in that range and also into this stereotype. I also know couples with ages imbalanced in both directions, both more and less severely, ie older women with younger men, younger women with older men. I know three women, off the top of my head, that married men around 5-7 years younger than them, after they hit 30. It may not be the 'norm' as it's portrayed on PPD, but it's certainly not uncommon IRL. I do also know several older men that do like younger women. It depends on the person, IMO.

[–]DoneBeenHadBeenDone5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't. I think you should educate more women on this topic so they too realize how pointless it is to attempt to pair bond with you. I'm fully blackpilled when it comes to men. I think Stacey's should fuck as many Chads as they can while they can. At thirty she'll either be ugly and single, or ugly and married to a man who'd rather be porking a nineteen year old. Only with the latter, she wasted her fun years with one man who's now ready to trade her in. Spread the word far and wide, my guy. I'll back you up.

[–]TheOGJammiesPlatinum Select While You Free Trial3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You seem like you’d fit in with us r/FemaleDatingStrategy

[–]DoneBeenHadBeenDone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks fun

[–][deleted]No Pill17 points18 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

Why do older males fail to grasp that the only reason why they have a higher SMV than younger men is betabuxx and that they're usually not seen as sexually attractive, just economically attractive?

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of guys who were good looking young can look good older.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

because some of us older male are poor as fuck and still get laid with younger women?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. My time with my biggest age gap was the poorest of my life. Women here always imagine some schlub who hasn't seen his dick since the Clinton administration.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

For one thing, it's only betabux if he expends resources.

For another, "had sex still counts"... so long as he minimizes any collateral damage from silly mistakes like entering into the legal oppression of marital financial obligation

[–]ontherailstoday6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

For one thing, it's only betabux if he expends resources.

He's expending resources. He may not admit it but he is expending resources.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

For some men they use the money to look better and own status symbols. At most that would be the false promise of resources.

[–]ontherailstoday8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Generally you're not going to find young attractive girls sleeping quickly with guys much more than 5 years older unless there's extra resources right now this instant. The bigger the age and attractiveness gap, the more resources are expected up front. That's just reality. Now I ain't saying it is impossible for two people to gradually form an attraction based relationship despite an age gap... but the keyword there is "gradual" they'd be two people who see each other for various reasons and form a rapport over several months that may or may not end in relationship or sex... not something to be relied upon.

No hot young thang falls straight in bed with a guy with a face like a nutsack just because he's got a nice car. They fall in bed with young somewhat attractive young men who have nice cars. The older dude has to buy them dinner and get them tickets to whatever show they want to do see, maybe pay their electric bill or for their cat to see the vet. For the older dude the car is an advertisement for his ability to buy them dinner.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Generally you're not going to find young attractive girls sleeping quickly with guys much more than 5 years older unless there's extra resources right now this instant.

well, what if I DO find them?

But you are right, the "extra resources" help, if you spend them at the gym, at the male attire shop and at the barber.

[–]ontherailstoday-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well, what if I DO find them?

Cool story bro.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The older dude has to buy them dinner and get them tickets to whatever show they want to do see, maybe pay their electric bill or for their cat to see the vet.

No we fucking don't, because....

No hot young thang falls straight in bed with a guy with a face like a nutsack

Some of us look really good. This entire thread is women thinking of the ugliest fucking older dudes they can think of, rather than thinking of good looking older dudes.

[–]ontherailstoday1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of us look really good.

Cool story bro.

[–]SFWonlyInvest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

more than 5 years

Lol

[–]Teflon081910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

they're usually not seen as sexually attractive

Do you think that bothers men anywhere near as much as it bothers women, particularly when the goal is just sex?

[–]weag5lmy mom says I'm special0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point. This is the corresponding male blind spot. Even younger men cannot help thinking that an attractive strange woman who is friendly with him, wants to fuck him.

[–]Undead_Chronic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Older men do realize why they are attractive. Hoes just want $$ You sound salty

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do older males fail to grasp that the only reason why they have a higher SMV than younger men is betabuxx and that they're usually not seen as sexually attractive, just economically attractive?

Because we don't spend money on women.

[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno. I mean they are specifically looking for marriage, not SMV. The argument was never for increased SMV. However you can't deny that reaching your goals and making money off it means more interesting stories, more confidence and more respectable. All things that maximize your own SMV.

[–]Oreoman1820-5 points-4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Well, women in general don't find men sexually attractive. They only find men economically attractive. Women are not visual in their attraction and don't find men physically appealing. It is all about the money/status.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah the 22 year old who fucked me in his car two months ago rly enriched my life financially lol

[–]Kos_-_Omak0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're still bragging about a hookup that happened two months ago? Sad!

How does it feel when you think about the fact that he probably doesn't even remember it?

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol @ "he doesn't remember it." the trail of texts he's sent me in the wake of that hookup determined that was a lie

[–][deleted]No Pill1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

False.

[–]Oreoman1820-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Denial.

[–][deleted]No Pill7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I am a 24 years old woman. Sex with older men is generally gross. Looks matter.

[–]OverEasyFetus1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In one of your posts you said you were like 40.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ohh I think I remember that one she said the guy who got it in despite her finding him gross was 40

[–][deleted]No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

False, I never said that.

[–]Letseatthots[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had sex with a 19 year old when I was 32. It was great and she thought I looked 25.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He still got it in lol what's he care if it was gross for you

[–]HarassMyAnger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, women find men sexually attractive.

Its just the top 20% of men.

[–]Sksjdbdbdjjfn 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

There's attractive 37-year olds and unattractive 22-year olds.

Don't write tautologies and then invite people to argue them.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There's attractive 37-year olds and unattractive 22-year olds

But that's not true in general. Yes there are exceptions to the general rule, but the odds are, definitionally, against exceptions

[–]Sksjdbdbdjjfn 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

An argument that doesn't consider exceptions is a bad argument.

OP isn't arguing that women are generally more attractive in their 20's. Like, duh

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

why do older women fail to grasp why men prefer younger nubile women

He didn't say in general but it's pretty obvious he doesn't mean "every single man in existence".

Furthermore even when a 37 year old is attractive it's because she looks like a younger nubile woman despite being 37.

And when a 22 year old is unattractive it's because she doesn't look like a younger nubile woman despite being 22

[–]Sksjdbdbdjjfn 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Does every single woman in existence fail to grasp why men generally prefer younger women?

Hmmm.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Many more than the men who don't actually prefer young nubile women, that's for sure

[–]Jathrowaway976 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women get why but the logic doesn’t make sense and doesn’t seem to play out in reality. If you’re worried about being divorced raped or your wife growing unsatisfied and leaving. Then, logically it would make more sense to pursue attractive women in your age range who have similar accomplishments to yourself than to pursue women barely out of their teens who haven’t yet established themselves. The gap in maturity levels is often off-putting for some men but it comes with the territory.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But that's not true in general.

actually, I would argue that this is ALMOST true in general these days. Modern 37 year olds would be oldest Millenials, who at this point had embraced the corporate lifestyle of self-improvement, while the modern 22 year olds embraced the culture of memes and self-pity.

Sure, if you put two men in a contest, to bang as much 22 year old girls as possible WITHOUT PAYING, the 22 year old guy will win, but it would be a close call victory, not a total one.

[–]Letseatthots[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a common fallacy women will bring up in these discussions. Yes there are some attractive 37 year olds out there but we are not talking about exceptions to the rule.

In general 22 year old women will be more attractive than 37 year old women. That’s the facts folks.

[–]FreezingIrony-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

unattractive 22-year olds

Imagine them at 37. Age only makes people less attractive.

[–]Mulkvistee🌮🧃👻9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not a general refusal to acknowledge youth is more attractive. It's going into the topic of commitment pedastalizing SMV to the total exclusion of RMV. And yes, even when we're "nubile🤮" if LTR's or marriage is on the table RMV is still a major factor. HVM that can fuck young and hot do not stay with young and hot for likes on Instagram.

[–]FreezingIrony1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

HVM

?

[–]Mulkvistee🌮🧃👻1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Acronym for "high value men/man"

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Acktshually... An acronym needs to spell out a word. Like SCUBA or L ASER.

[–]Mulkvistee🌮🧃👻2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I'm claiming a drinking handicap, I acktshually got a strong drink at a movie theater and the chaos energy has made me a word wizard

[–]Tomatoccino17 points18 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

We grasp it. We just remember what it was like being harassed by grotty, middle aged sex pests when we were young and nubile, and want to protect our younger sisters from dealing with it too.

[–]azngirl76893 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sex pests 😂🤣

[–]Tomatoccino0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is that funny?

[–]azngirl76891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s just a funny way to say it

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

you realize that times had changed? Men in their 30s or 40s now take much more care about themselves, are more context and consent conscious, and are better lovers than 30-40 men used to be in the previous generation.

[–]Tomatoccino3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

They’re still old, paunchy, used up, sad, creepy and gross according to the young women and girls I know.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

They’re still old, paunchy, used up, sad, creepy and gross according to the young women and girls I know.

Because you never think of the good looking ones, as I've said over and over on this thread and sub. Pointlessly, I should add. At 47, I'm in better shape than most dudes half my age.

You should see how much I get eye fucked when I'm backpacking up some Colorado mountain trail, nearly keeping pace with unencumbered youngsters.

[–]Tomatoccino2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You keep on thinking that.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Keep thinking what? I'm objectively in better shape than most men half my age. Pound for pound, I can deadlift more, press more overhead, and run 2.5 miles at a 9 min/mi pace.....and absolutely charge up mountains. My bodyfat is well under control, and I have a full head of hair. These are all objective facts that result in a fairly attractive man, even though I'm no spring chicken.

[–]Tomatoccino2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m happy for you and your robust self esteem. If you’re convinced that teenagers are falling over themselves to get to you, then I doubt anything is going to convince you otherwise.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m happy for you and your robust self esteem.

It's not "self" esteem. It's the gentler sex who holds me in esteem for my qualities, qualities I doubtless have an imperfect view of. I have been on the receiving end of a lot of love, I can tell you that.

I have admitted many times with this handle, I am a terrible seducer. I annoy more women by not hitting on them, than by hitting on them.

To say I have robust self esteem is absurd.

If you’re convinced that teenagers are falling over themselves to get to you, then I doubt anything is going to convince you otherwise.

Hard to disagree with that.

But it did happen at least once. She wasn't falling over herself, but she was declining dates with men her age. She had her reasons (not including money, it was the poorest time of my adult life), and we always knew we weren't permanent and she has moved on.

Obviously I haven't, which is why I post on relationship related subs like this one and TRP.

That said, unlike her, I am in no rush at all. She and I are close, and now that she's 27 she's thinking about settling down. You can't make this stuff up. She was monogamous with me from 19 to 23, rode the cock carousel from 24 to 26, and is now thinking pretty hard about cashing in. She wants a husband and kids, always did but is now ready....not in a rush, but ready.

I'm a 47 y/o good looking loser. No kids, no desire for kids, little toleration for kids. Way more student loan debt than retirement. I have a '16 Honda, so I'll be able to drive it for a long time.....I'll be able to live in my next car, because I might be a vagabond for a while in my early 60's. It would be better to enjoy van life than work like an animal to afford shit I don't even need. Better to eliminate expenses and let investments grow while seeing the country.

Call me Peter Pan if you want, but if you don't have kids, you don't need to grow up. She has so, so much more pressure on her. This is great, I don't have kids, or a mortgage, or even a dog. Most of my gear will outlast me....speaking of, time to get under my barbell.

I'd be surprised if you made it to the bottom of the diary entry lol.

[–]Tomatoccino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it’s working for you, and you’re happy, then I’m happy for you. Not everyone wants to be domesticated. I’d reconsider the dog, though. We all need some affection.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You think I don't know when I'm eye fucked?

  • Without fail, every younger woman in a group of young women ignored me.
  • Without fail, every woman hiking with her SO smiled at me and said hi.....about half of them gave me the type of look that would draw an instant approach in other circumstances.
  • Without fail, single women were much more demure, which is proper, but I even got a couple eye fucks from them, stopping me to chat and everything.

Whatever, you're well incentivized to pretend guys like me don't exist.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

then maybe you hang out with the wrong women?

[–]Tomatoccino1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s pretty universal. The only women getting excited about middle aged men are middle aged women.

[–]Undead_Chronic-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How does it feel when your nubile sisters freely give their pussy up to older men?

Are you upset or jealous?

[–]philomexaSPITE ALONE HOLDS ME ALOFT6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Disappointed if she didn't get her student loans paid off and a few vacations out of the deal.

[–]Undead_Chronic-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Too bad most these thots give it up for free

[–]Tomatoccino1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If someone is happy to do that, then I’m happy for them. It’s rare, though. Usually young girls don’t want anything to do with old men.

[–]Undead_Chronic-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Guess it depends on how old we talkin

[–]Tomatoccino1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you’re 15, 20 is old, 25 is ancient and older than that is geriatric. My oldest daughter is 25, and considers anyone older than 30 to be a sleazy old man. My 17 yo daughter thinks anyone old enough to have finished university to be too old.

[–]FatmanSlim933 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Have you never watched milf porn? Like that was HUGE when I was growing up; so idk what you’re talkin about.

[–]MILFBucket2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would know

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I bought a 2-seater car....I did consider a minivan, but I don't think DOT would allow me to get a MLFHNTR license plate.

That.....and I don't hunt MILFs.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

First, many know. Its why the hot new secretary at an office gets shit from the fat middle aged women.

Second, the more romantic ones will think love goes beyond looks, which is absolutely does, but looks are how it most often starts for men. When my wife was starting to get too fat for me, she would complain "why does it matter, I didn't complain when you were fat." Which was part a lie, she subtly complained, but I had to explain that love and lust complement each other for me.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

literally no woman thinks, acts, or talks like this. you guys really have long drawn out arguments with women who only exist in your heads lmao

even the women who do criticise men for dating (not FUCKING or BEING ATTRACTED TO) younger women only do it from a RMV angle, not a SMV one. you're projecting your own obsession with smv onto women

[–]_robot-love_ 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can you break this down into bite sized points like I'm two ''women who do criticise men for dating (not FUCKING or BEING ATTRACTED TO) younger women only do it from a RMV angle'' I'm not understanding (my bad I know).

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think she means that the women shaming men who date younger ae arguing that same age women are better suited as wives.

[–]ForeverNandrolone0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What are you talking about? I’ve never seen it in real life because hardly anyone dates younger other than me. But online I see these kind of statements from women.

And I’ve posted in this very thread about how I like to date younger and have gotten a lot of insults about how I’m creepy.

It’s a pretty standard female tactic to insult men for pretty normal behavior if it’s not beneficial to women.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i literally said people think its fucking weird when ppl date much younger people for a lot o reasons, but absolutely none of them have to do with women not knowing that younger women are more physically attractive than older women. no older woman "fails to grasp" why men are attracted to younger women or even want to have sex with them, think think its weird when they get into relationships with them

[–]ForeverNandrolone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You did not literally say that 😊 It was actually difficult to parse what you said. I regret commenting 😀

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well it should have been clear that i wasn't talking about whatever is you replied to me since "do women find it creepy" wasn't the topic of the post

[–]Ofourkind9 points10 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Because we were all very young women once and know exactly what kinds of dudes go after them.

More disgust than denial

[–]azngirl76896 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’M yOunG at HeARt

[–]Ofourkind3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

barf

[–]MasonMan1234-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Because we were all very young women once and know exactly what kinds of dudes go after them

Virtually all men desire younger women, it's not just an outlier group of terrible men. Sounds like you're in denial.

[–]Ofourkind5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Ask anyone who was once a young, attractive woman. The older dudes that pursue them are almost all losers and/or predators. There's a reason normal dudes don't date teens.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The older dudes that pursue them are almost all losers and/or predators. There's a reason normal dudes don't date teens.

Yes because all younger women=teens, also what's wrong with dating a teen as long as they are adults? As far as my vast experience goes women who are in their late 20s have the same level of maturity as women who are 18-19.

Most men I know who date younger women (women who are 5-10 years younger than they are) aren't losers or predators, in fact most of them are financially successful men who have the looks and charisma to date women much younger than themselves. Your stigmatization of older men dating younger women comes off as jealously. We get it, you're now old and aren't attractive to most men anymore, get over it.

[–]Ofourkind1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

OP said "nubile". Do you know what that means? Teens.

It is absolutely not normal for successful guys to date teens. Not even a little bit normal.

Minor age differences in adulthood are normal and no big deal. That's not what we're talking about here.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

OP said "nubile". Do you know what that means? Teens.

According to google:

1.(of a girl or young woman) sexually attractive.

2.(of a girl or young woman) sexually mature; suitable for marriage.

According to Merriam-Webster:

1: of marriageable condition or agenubile young women

2: sexually attractive —used of a young womana nubile starlet

Not one mention of teens in the definition of the word. The OP also never mentioned teenage girls once in his post, he mentions "a super hot 22 year old that is college educated" but that's about it. Even then it's not weird for successful adult men to date adult women who are teens(it's actually normal in the US), but you know what is weird? Women who wait until they are in their mid to late 30s to settle down, now that's weird. No normal woman waits until she is past her prime to find a man to settle down with.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's an old word for girls who have just reached the minimum age for marriage and guess what was that age throughout history?

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying the meaning of the word is subjective? Because the minimum age for marriage for women has ranged from 9 years to 18 years, and clearly the OP isn't referring to either one of those ages and is referring to young women in their early 20s.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I noticed that OP mentioned early 20s but the term's origin is what I said and that's what most people know.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't matter, the term is clearly subject to a person's own interpretation, the OP's interpretation of the word is a woman in her early 20s.

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like men of all adult age ranges, not just the older ones

[–]Ofourkind0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's normal for teen boys to be interested in teen girls.

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok sure teenagers can be creepy too haha

[–]ForeverNandrolone-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Describe the guys who went after you.

[–]Ofourkind4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

40 year old busboys who bought weed from the same dude as me. Men who would lurk around the teen hangout spots and beg for attention from kids. Older dudes who wanted us to think they were "cool" by offering to buy us beer for high school parties. Adult men who would hang out outside our gymnastics practice and offer us rides. Dudes moving closer to the group of young girls at the beach. Adult men using lines like "I'm young at heart" or "You're so mature for such a young lady".

[–]ForeverNandrolone-2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

So predators? Just realized that you’re talking about girls in high school. So all men are pedophiles?

This is just I met some bad dudes so all dudes are bad type of thing.

What about when you match with them on Tinder? Because that’s how I meet my girls. Is that predatory?

[–]Ofourkind2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you lost? Respond to the wrong thread?

OPs question is about "nubile" girls. Do you know what that means? If you are going after nubile girls, you are exactly what I'm talking about and likely a pedophile. If you're not going after nubile girls, you probably arent a pedophile.

Most dudes arent pedophiles, which is why only creeps and losers go after teens.

[–]ForeverNandrolone-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Likely a pedophile? Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? They are over 18. Or adult women aren’t allowed to make their own decisions? Can’t disagree with someone without insults. I looked it up. It means sexually mature or marriageable. So young adults in any kind of normal parlance? You’re wrong about the definition. Do you think he meant underage girls but put nubile? You’re just being disingenuous.

You obviously have some hard on about older guys/younger women and are bending over backwards to make it about pedophiles.

[–]Ofourkind0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Ok so you just don't know what "nubile" means

[–]ForeverNandrolone0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I googled it. It says what I said. Obviously OP doesn’t know what nubile means. If it means what you think it then this whole thread is about pedophilia but oddly enough no one else is talking about pedophilia so maybe it’s you that’s wrong?

And you’re just being pedantic

[–]Ofourkind0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you're not talking about young girls who have just reached sexual maturity (so 12 to 18), then don't say you are.

[–]ForeverNandrolone0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Did I use nubile in my comment? Is your contention that this entire thread is about fucking underage girls? Or are you just being willfully obtuse?

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

you realize that times had changed and the modern 30-40yo dudes are nothing like the 30-40yo dudes of the past? Like, we were purposely trained by women in our lives and the culture of our times to NOT be these kinds of douches?

[–]Ofourkind1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're the type of dude who sexually pursues teenagers, you are not who I'm talking about.

[–]FreevoulousPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

im a 34 old dude who pursues a 22 year old currently. Successfully. But this is not about me, but about the general social trend.

[–]Ofourkind1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

22 is not "nubile".

[–]badgersonice6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I grasp it just fine, it’s just functionally useless information to me. Literally nothing I do can turn back the clock, so it’s not worth worrying about at all. Like seriously, what possible gain do I get put of this information? Should I just decide welp, I’m in my mid-30s so I’m already in the edge of ugly, and it’s all downhill from here, so better just curl up and die?

Lol, how about no. It’s way better to just live my life and not worry that I didn’t get the approval of the kind of man who’ll only cares about youth, so he desperately tries to lock down a 22 only to still call her old and worthless 10-15 years down the road anyways. And if that’s really just how all men are (which I don’t believe is true)? Well, then there’s nothing I can do about it anyways, and I’ll just accept that getting older sucks and probably get a dog. Dogs are awesome.

[–]NewVerses2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I get why women want older men, and why men want younger women. But I still raise an eyebrow because dating as you put it is more than sex. When sex is all said and done, there's all the other time you spend together and if you're willing to put up with poor companionship just to have somewhere to stick it in (and/or an in-house maid?) then yes, I will judge you.

That's what I always wonder when I see relationships with a large age gap (assuming it's legal, otherwise their problems are greater.) How does their companionship even work? Do they actually enjoy being around each other when they are not fucking or doing something fancy together? Sometimes it does - common interests, same place in life, etc. Most of the time though, it just feels like I'm watching a sugar daddy and his sugar baby pretend their arrangement is more organic than that.

I mean. To each their own, but I also have the right to an opinion.

[–]ForeverNandrolone1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I date younger. For me personally, it’s about the sex. I’m super into the sex and it’s fairly easy to find a young woman who’s super into sex.

I like being daddy, teaching them things and giving them new experiences is a lot of fun to me.

This is only temporary, maybe a year or two

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is only temporary, maybe a year or two

This is something women here will deny....they think we're looking for nurses.

[–]ForeverNandrolone0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Typically, they find some loser guys and claim all men are like this.

Also, I heard “ewww, you’re old and gross”. Well, a hot young girl is sleeping with me so maybe I’m not that old and gross?

How about we let the market decide? I’ll keep doing what I’m doing and when hot young women stop sleeping with me, I’ll agree that I’m old and gross.

Also, there’s an element of punishment. They say she’s only sleeping with you because of your money, it’s not because you’re physically attractive. They are trying to hurt your feelings.

The truth is most guys worked hard for their money and having money is a reflection of that. So a woman sleeping with me because of money could also be her sleeping with me because I’m a hard worker. I’m ok with that.

Women rarely know the value of money because they are mostly just given it because of pussy. So they don’t value money or hard work. But a man is self made, the money is actually a pretty good reflection of who I am as a person. So a woman sleeping with me because of money isn’t necessarily a bad thing. You still should be cautious of gold diggers though 😃

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

They are trying to hurt your feelings.

Yep.

I’m ok with that.

I would be too, but here's the thing...I rode out the Great Recession in college. I'm 47 and am in basically the same shape as professionals at 28....totally fucked, with 20 less years to work with.

But I'm good looking and strong, and therefore get laid.

I'm on board with what you're saying. I get it. I would be freer with my money if it wasn't for the existential panic of knowing my next car, in another 10-15 years, will be a sleeper van, and I'm going to be a vagabond for a few years as part of my retirement plan....no kids, no property, so fuck it, I'll enjoy life.

I'm not crying, either. I've attended the Iron Church, an Olympic barbell in my one bedroom flat, for about 1.5 years. After backpacking to near the tree line in the Colorado Rockies this past weekend (and getting eye fucked to one degree or another by every woman I passed, including one wide eyed young cutie who said "Man, you are CRUSHING it") I went to H&M because I outgrew my small, slim fit v-neck t-shirts, and am now in medium, slim fit v-neck t-shirts, because my lats, traps, and delts were too much for the smaller shirts....which made what fat I do have show a bit more, because there's less room in the shirt (bodyfat is about 20%.....which means it's about 14% on the Interwebs). I'm also getting pretty good at swing dancing.

Honestly, if I was financially secure, I'd be less physically driven, but I'm about a decade out from having debt paid off, reasonable retirement savings, and fuck you liquid money in the bank. If I was financially secure, I'd spread some sugar around, but I'm not, and will never be....at least not enough to waste it on women.

I guess that's why these sorts of threads piss me off. You're right, owning that your successful is fine, and it's part of the attraction women have for you. It's all good. And I don't resent anyone's success.

I'm just relatively pure on this, I simply don't spend money and still have fun, and could have more fun if I was more assertive with women, and it's based on pure physical/adventurous attraction, which the women here will insist never happens.

[–]ForeverNandrolone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with you 100%. Good women aren’t attracted by money but they are attracted by the competency it takes to make money.

I’m just saying if a woman is attracted by your money it’s not a complete deal breaker. If she only cares about your money, that’s a deal breaker.

One of my girls is off in college in Pennsylvania. It’s colder there than she expected. I just spent $22 to send her long underwear from Amazon. I guess I’m a sugar daddy now. 😂

Ultimately, what I think is this is just feminist trying to say men and women are the same. Men mostly care about looks so women mostly care about looks. This just isn’t true. Looks are still the most important part for a man but men are also an amalgam of everything he can do. I’m an older guy so I’m not as physically attractive as some other guys but I’m much more attractive than I used to be because of who I became as I got older. If women are sleeping with me then apparently I’m attractive enough and that’s what matters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If women are sleeping with me then apparently I’m attractive enough and that’s what matters.

The bottom line. Cheers, bro, keep up the good work.

[–]Kos_-_Omak2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh they absolutely do get it, they're just supremely buttmad about it. It's partially because they don't want to admit that they themselves are post-wall and therefore undesirable and partially an attempt to shame high value men into dating their age-match.

Older women who bitch about age gaps are exactly the same as low SMV NiceGuys bitching about women dating assholes. Entitlement and insecurity.

[–]DaphneDK42TEMC (Trans Exclusionary Male Chauvinist)2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet you will never see women admit this.

You won't? Is there a single individual in the whole of Creation who doesn't acknowledge that youth is more attractive than aged?

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women with degrees and fancy job titles do not think those things add to SMV but to RMV.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it5 points6 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

Someone once mentioned that women only get upset when average men do this.

When elite men (like Leonardo DiCaprio do it) people are fine with it. He dates college age women and he is almost 50, and people are fine with it.

I think on some level its because if average men do it, then it makes the market much harder for average women since like it or not a gigantic factor in a woman's SMV is her fertility, and fertility declines with age. Whereas if the top 0.1% of men do it, that doesn't affect market dynamics as much.

[–]ontherailstoday10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When elite men (like Leonardo DiCaprio do it) people are fine with it. He dates college age women and he is almost 50, and people are fine with it.

One of the reasons we're kind of OK with really very high value men doing it is that they don't tend to try to keep the young girls when the young girls grow out of them. They don;t throw tantrums about how they paid that bitch's student loans off how very dare she. They play the game knowing and accepting there is a down side to be paid for. De Caprio's girls are not going to be there for him in his dottage and he's fine with that, he would not be fine with that if he was an aging electrical engineer of more modest means.

[–]Almondxxx3 points4 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I’ve heard people explain their dislike of Leo because it seems like he’s just using those girls.

It is kind of weird. Lol like dude never had a long term relationship?

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean he'd did date Giselle for several years. He also dated Bar Refaeli for like 6 years.

[–]Almondxxx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He did? I’m impressed lol

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (31 children) | Copy Link

'using' as if it's never at all mutual

[–]Almondxxx0 points1 point  (30 children) | Copy Link

they could be using him too but...

The age difference is also weird.

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy Link

And you don't think it works at all to the younger woman's advantage... as if she hasn't already been propositioned by a myriad of men her own age whom she declined by her own accord but some older guy with nothing of substance to offer managed to snatch her up against her will simply because he's lived longer?

[–]Almondxxx0 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy Link

But he has a history of this. That is the weird part. Most of the women Leo has dated ended up settling down.

These girls haven’t been alive long enough to have a history of dating older man and then dumping them.

I also think since Leo dates up and coming models, it could be a PR thing or whatever you call it.

Usually the older person in the relationship takes the blame. They are the older ones and should know better.

It’s also weird to be dating people not in the same age range for a prolonged period. He seems Leonardo deliberately seeks women under the age of 25 out. That’s weird.

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (27 children) | Copy Link

I was speaking more generally, but LD is a pretty extraordinary case. You might be overthinking this. Those women are all smoking hot and he dates them because he can pull it off. He pretty much has free range as an A-list celebrity with the additional advantage of having been a heartthrob his whole life.

[–]Almondxxx0 points1 point  (26 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but he still get judged for it lmao.

It doesn’t seem healthy but what do I know? I always thought maybe he was gay!

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy Link

First sentence: judgment is always fair game in my book as long as we're honest about why we're judging

Second sentence: denying one's own sexual/relationship preferences would be unhealthy. He seems to be pretty content

Third sentence: how does that even work 😂

[–]Almondxxx0 points1 point  (24 children) | Copy Link

Lol

It comes off as unhealthy because it looks like he can’t hold deep, meaningful relationships. Can he? And it’s also unhealthy to view people just by their age! How is that not bizarre?

And I don’t know! Maybe he tries to cover up being gay by dating young women.

Age gaps alone aren’t cause for concern alone but it’s odd how he doesn’t hold onto any relationships. Is he superficial? That is the turn off I guess.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

people are fine with it.

Google "Leonardo DeCaprio creepy" and you'll see there at least a few people not fine with it lol

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.someecards.com/entertainment/news/leo-dicaprio-is-gross/amp

The author seems more hurt that she is too old to be in his desired demographic.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol which is probably where a lot of this sentiment stems from I guess

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's probably because these women still get plenty of attention from the thirsty men their age out there. Because men don't actually avoid older women, many women don't understand that older men prefer younger women. Of course, many of these men are never actually going to attract younger women.

[–]Cissnowflake1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So OP asked why women fail to grasp this idea.

And this thread is just people failing to grasp it, not answering the question

[–]shonenhikada1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women as a whole project their beliefs and behavior onto men and think men and women act the same. For example:

  1. Women think that by having higher earning power and being more accomplished that she should be more attractive to men because that's part of the reason women would have an increase attraction to wards a man.

  2. Same reason women have a hate for nice guys. Women by in large fake being nice and kind to use people to further their goals or trick men into commitment often usually dropping the mask when they've gotten what they want. Hence why we see so many guys wonder why their wife has changed after they've placed a ring on it or why female friendship tend not to last or women bad talk their friends. Thus, women perceive men who are nice as being fake because they believe that he is employing similar strategy for his end goal of sex.

  3. Women often don't go for younger men because women see 80% of men as physically unattractive being with most men for the resources they have (recent article came out that college educated women were complaining of not enough marriage partner). Hence why women tend not to go for younger men unless he is some turbo Chad because without the extra bump in status and money, he is worthless to her.

[–]ClassicRockSocialist1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Anecdotal but when I was only 9 I wanted to marry Stevie Nicks in her late 40s (and still wish I could lol). Granted I was just a kid and thought she was like 25- 30 but still

Exceptions exist.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who wouldn't want to marry Stevie Nicks?! My first crush too, lol.

[–]ClassicRockSocialist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Awesome another Stevie stan! In my case this was around 1997 when FM had that live album the dance

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm old so I go way back to the "Belladonna" days of the early 80's. BTW I still have Stevie's hairdo 35 years later, lol.

[–]ClassicRockSocialist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's one of her best with the big hits on it, and it would've been awesome to witness her career as it happened. Me I had to play catch up after the late 90s

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most men 40+ realize that while they admire the beauty of those hawt 20-year-old sorority girls, actually wifing one up would be a disaster, so when they're in the market for a relationship, they look for women closer to their own age.

[–]LillthOfBabylon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Five years younger is no big deal. 15 years old = he just wants a sugar baby. A 20 year old has nothing in common with a 35 year old.

Edit: I dont think you understand. Those men WILL FUCK a 20 year old. He’s not marrying her, which is what most women want.

Edit 2: MEN ARE intimidated by a more successful woman. That’s another reason why men prefer extremely younger women. She’s stupid and an old man can play her for a fool. Or she simply wants shiny things.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because those women who are negatively affected by this are far more likely to be very vocal about it.

Women who take it in stride that they were "young and pretty back then" (and aren't anymore) are usually those who don't have a reason to regret anything - usually because they were paired off in a satisfying relationship and got the children they wanted.

Single career women on the other hand? They don't like to be reminded that they blew the most valuable currency they had, but instead of owning up to their mistakes, they'd rather shoot the messenger.

[–]LotBuilder4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Because they have had their butt kissed from 13-29 so when it stops happening they are confused and it takes awhile to adjust.

[–]Jathrowaway971 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

13??

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well 13-15 year old girls get attention from their male peers, and also pedos (a significant portion of men are pedos).

But only Stacies in the making and Stacies actually get their butts kissed.

[–]Jathrowaway970 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My mind jumped straight to pedos lol and I was pretty disturbed.

Are you taking the degree/type of attention into consideration or just attention full stop? What I remember from high school some years back and watching my students now the type and amount of attention pretty 13-14 year old girls get from 13-14 year old boys pales in comparison to what they’ll get when they’re older. 15/16-28

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh yeah middle school boys are much tamer than high school aged, college aged, and older men. And most older men and older teen boys will leave you alone until you are 16ish.

Most of my friends and I started experiencing harassment at around 12-14 including from older teen boys/adult men, but once we became 15-17 the amount of attention started to really increase, and it became more aggressive.

[–]Jathrowaway971 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that’s pretty consistent with what I saw growing up too.I think it was also a contributing factor to girls dating guys a few years older. 8th grade girls sometimes had boyfriends in high school .

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are you shaming male biology? Men are hardwired to youthful sexually mature women. Girls sexually mature at around 16~17.

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being attracted to 16/17 boys or girls is normal as they are post pubescent but adukts hitting on 13 or 14 year olds is disgusting. Those are middle schoolers. They are both physically and mentally immature and its traumatizing.

[–]LotBuilder0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, boys basically ignore girls until both go through puberty. Pretty girls start experiencing favorable treatment around 13.

[–]Jathrowaway971 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’d say 15-16. At 13 the boys just posture and try to look cool in front of pretty girls but they don’t treat the girls themselves all that special once they catch their eye. It’s akin to them trying to impress each other, the motives are just different.

[–]SpinachIsYummyNo Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah middle school boys and freshman boys in high school aren't like that. They will try to impress or get attention from pretty girls, but they certainly don't kiss anyone's butt.

[–]Jathrowaway970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that’s basically what my students do lol. When pretty girls are around the 11-13 year old boys will try to outdo each other physically to show off. Bragging extra loud about who can do the most push ups, who’s the best athlete, who’s taller, who’s faster etc. Once they get the girl though they don’t treat her any differently from their male friends. The “couples” barely hang out together.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's because most women remember being that young and took how people treated them as if it was something inherent in them, that men want them for them, not realizing that most women are pretty basic and uninteresting people, they're being told they're smarter and more interesting than they actually are because men are trying to get in their pants when they're young and attractive, and then reality hits them later on that it was all a lie and a mirage.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I think most of us realized the guys paying us outrageous compliments just wanted to get in our pants. LOL

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Reminds them of their mortality. Ain't no one like that mortality shit

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

As though manosphere men’s obsession with the female wall and “men aging like wine” hamster isn’t a blatant projection of fear of mortality and hatred of their sexual objects reminding them of death by aging.

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What? No, it's about sex lmao you're overthinking it. Men confront death in the pursuit of sex all the time!

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol yeah you’re all so brave and fearless

It’s painfully obvious what it’s about.

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol certainly not all of us. I meant it as a counterexample

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ain't no one like that mortality shit

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[–]sparksjoy 1 points [recovered]  (14 children) | Copy Link

I throw up a bit whenever I see the word nubile being used unironically.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do any of the PPD bros say anything unironically wall of no self awareness was built long ago.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm as ironic as Alanis Morissette, baby

[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a cool argument and all but why the hell did he use the word "nubile". Like fucking gross man, what is wrong with you.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

moist nubiles

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

BARF!

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a $17 appetizer

[–]SunflowerBurst1 in 12 Americans is unaware that the bird is the word2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😣

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerNot a Negative Creep1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just autocorrect it in my head to noob and it's definitely less gross then.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

autocorrect it in my head to noob and it's definitely less gross then.

And yet preserves a relatively similar meaning well played lol

[–]Letseatthots[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I threw that in for added effect.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You tried to add the effect of shock value but what you ended up with is sounding like you havent left moms basement in 2 weeks

[–]purplepilltimingPurple Pill Man7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are gross man. This is a great argument but people like you make it so no one would ever take it seriously.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😬

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's my CMV: I'm a little older than my wife thought, and she's a little younger than I thought, and in reality nobody cares at all. Maybe my ex-gf said something once.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry dude can't help you with that.

[–]theoracleofosiris0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We all know why. Let’s just enjoy the young bitches quietly. Older screeching post wall women who don’t go quietly into the night are quite the boner killer.

[–]taste_fart0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think comments like the one you mentioned are typically just posturing. I've yet to meet any human that doesn't get that younger adults are generally more sexually attractive than older adults.

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both men and women will bang the hot idiots that are inappropriate for a LTR

Women mock men who are so desperate that they have one standard for LTRing a woman: age. Because even that hot young girl will age at some point

[–]Deadgirl18880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've dated all younger men.

[–]Letseatthots[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Das Amazing

[–]weag5lmy mom says I'm special-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You see a lot of cope by older women mocking their male peers who prefer to date younger women (e.g. men that date 5-15 years younger). They will constantly say that men can’t handle their maturity, success, credentials, and life experience. Many of them completely lack any degree of self-awareness.

This is just the stupid ones. It's not a lack of self-awareness. It's a lack of empathy. Combined with arrogance. They say women have more empathy than men, which is true up to a point. You can't have true empathy for what you don't understand. Most women do not understand men. The smart ones understand that they don't understand. The stupid ones don't.

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