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PurgeDon't listen to women when it comes to dating, all they do is virtual signal. (self.PurplePillDebate)

submitted by MasonMan1234

What women say:

"wE OnLy cArE aBoUt pErSoNaLiTy, lOoKs dOn'T mAtTeR"

What women do:

*Dates men mostly based on their looks*


[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes89 points90 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

It's almost as if we should watch what they do, not what they say!

Quick! Someone write that down!!

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

(takes notes) wait that means....women are a test of whether a man is able to resolve cognitive dissonance in his own interest!

[–]i-am-the-prize17 points18 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

Praxeology FTW

Remember looks attract, Period. (that goes both ways baby)

But if all he has is Testosterone And Alpha she knows he will abandon her and the offspring. So it’s enough for a one night stand or a hook up and a good lay- there’s nothing wrong with that - she’s human. Even more newsflash (sit down bruh) heterosexual woman like dick.

So the EQ and other soft qualities he has do matter-

1- if she wants something more than one night stand, 2- but it’s a lot easier to evaluate someone’s genes visually from across the room or on an app (vs being able to know his conscientiousness, habits, financial stability, emotional stability, relationship with their mother, mental health, maturity, etc) which take time and effort to uncover

So why waste the time and effort if he doesn’t have the genes to begin with ?

The question is - does she qualify for someone with great genes and solid EQ? His willingness to spend matching time and effort will let her know how he feels.

[–]The3liGator7 points8 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

Problem is that she will likely seek both

[–]i-am-the-prize8 points9 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

As she should. As you should.

Our species (like all) try to maximize resource return and minimize resource expenditure.

Manners and decency means you don’t shit on someone when you break up with them or when rejecting them. You don’t cheat on them once you have made a commitment. But the hunt for a mate and pre-commitment is frankly warfare against your own gender or at least modern competition with less killing but plenty of hurt feelz and tears. And when you don’t match/reject someone that sucks for them but that’s your choice.

Not only is there nothing wrong with trying to find the best match (ie: optimal partner) you can, frankly it’s your duty to your ancestors and your progeny, and most importantly yourself.

Get over it man. Become the best version of yourself and enjoy the fruits of your effort.

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Tragedy of the commons.

If everyone wants the best, then you become disposable and so much potential is wasted.

Also, if I want what's best for myself, why shouldn't I cheat and lie? Why should I ever be nice or give anything I don't have to?

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If everyone wants the best, then you become disposable and so much potential is wasted.

  1. I disagree with your statement, at face value. It assumes no course corrections and self awareness.
  2. that's not what I said. and I quote: ".. find the best match (ie: optimal partner) you can " "best match" and "optimal partner" is not "if everyone wants the best", it means the best "for you" and the "best you can do".

If you're a non-athletic introverted dude and you seek/chase/land an extroverted triathlete woman because she is the social and physical "best" in your eyes, is she the "best match" for you? nope.

Don't be so binary. Seems like these boards are filled with zero nuanced thinking robots.

And to your nihlistic: " Also, if I want what's best for myself, why shouldn't I cheat and lie? Why should I ever be nice or give anything I don't have to?" < that's for your to answer. Psychopaths are successful in the short term, but not long, and they must keep finding new victims. So if you're in it for the short haul and do not have some external moral mooring, and only a "best for myself (now)" compass, you will likely cheat and steal.

Everyone lies, at times. What you find when you both lie and tell the truth, long term: lying sucks. Keeping track of your lies is a chore and leads to guilt and very negative deep emotions. When you actually become/do/are the person you wish you were, and earn your position, fruits, bene's, it's an amazing feeling to be comfortable in your own skin, and not feel the need to lie, nor to cheat or steal.

For those with a strong moral compass, that stuff ^^ isn't "why you don't lie/cheat/steal" but it may help the true pragmatists which ask "why not (lie/cheat/steal)" because in the end, if you're long terming things, it's not worth it.

Just like exploring new things is worth it when you're new to a city or place, and when you're about to leave you stick with what places you know (since you'll soon be gone) same thing with lying vs. not. When you believe you'll be around the same people (family, community, etc) it's in your best interest (and 'right') to not be a deciever. if you/family/the community will be short term, then the allure of easy/fast riches/money/power is harder to avoid. (just look at looting pre/post natural disaster).

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. I disagree with your statement, at face value. It assumes no course corrections and self awareness.

That's fair.

  1. that's not what I said. and I quote: ".. find the best match (ie: optimal partner) you can " "best match" and "optimal partner" is not "if everyone wants the best", it means the best "for you" and the "best you can do".

See, "best for you" and "best you can do" are very different things. The lots are also does not differentiate between sex and relationships.it doesn't differentiate between getting with a person and having a good relationship with a person.

If you're a non-athletic introverted dude and you seek/chase/land an extroverted triathlete woman because she is the social and physical "best" in your eyes, is she the "best match" for you? nope.

you're correlating a lot of things that aren't correlated.triathlete women aren't always attractive, women don't even have to be athletic to be attractive. Men can be introverted and very athletic. Neither introversion or athleticism have to do with looks for the most part i.e. it's can't change height or face.

Don't be so binary. Seems like these boards are filled with zero nuanced thinking robots.

It's not binary. But when talking about things like this, and socioeconomic class, there are plenty of people who fall between. However, it is a problem when the people who fall in between are a very small minority and people are divided between the very successful and very unsuccessful.

And to your nihlistic: " Also, if I want what's best for myself, why shouldn't I cheat and lie? Why should I ever be nice or give anything I don't have to?" < that's for your to answer. Psychopaths are successful in the short term, but not long, and they must keep finding new victims.

most people aren't sociopaths. And they will not be happy with sociopathic behavior. Sociopaths are also a net negative on the community. However, we seem to reward this behavior, as somehow the most logical and righteous choice. We say women who only sleep with Chads, who use ugly or men, lie about what they find attractive, cheat on their significant others, etc. are under no obligation to anyone else, and they should do what makes them happy. We call men who do the same sociopaths. Women get rewarded by the community, man gets punished for behavior that leads to the same outcome.

So if you're in it for the short haul and do not have some external moral mooring, and only a "best for myself (now)" compass, you will likely cheat and steal.

So, why don't you extend the same kind of thinking to women? If they want what's best for them now, they can sleep around with Chads. They can squeeze less good-looking men four things by only promising a possibility of intimacy. This is bad for society and for them in the long term, but saying that leads to being attacked as a bitter misogynist and accusations that you believe women owe you sex.

Everyone lies, at times. What you find when you both lie and tell the truth, long term: lying sucks.

I agree, which is why I think women should be more honest about what they find attractive and who they will sleep with.they should be honest to that good behavior will not be rewarded with intimacy.they should be honest that they plan on sleeping with good-looking men while they're having fun, and then settle down later in life without offering the same kind of fun to those men because they are not attracted to them.

These lies prevent us from arriving at a solution.

Keeping track of your lies is a chore and leads to guilt and very negative deep emotions. When you actually become/do/are the person you wish you were, and earn your position, fruits, bene's, it's an amazing feeling to be comfortable in your own skin, and not feel the need to lie, nor to cheat or steal.

For those with a strong moral compass, that stuff ^^ isn't "why you don't lie/cheat/steal" but it may help the true pragmatists which ask "why not (lie/cheat/steal)" because in the end, if you're long terming things, it's not worth it.

Again, extend the same to women's behavior.

Just like exploring new things is worth it when you're new to a city or place, and when you're about to leave you stick with what places you know (since you'll soon be gone) same thing with lying vs. not. When you believe you'll be around the same people (family, community, etc) it's in your best interest (and 'right') to not be a deciever. if you/family/the community will be short term, then the allure of easy/fast riches/money/power is harder to avoid. (just look at looting pre/post natural disaster).

Alpha fucks, beta bux.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]i-am-the-prize2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

“ there is no reason to commit if you don’t care about the community”

What?

Sure there is - because I want to see my progeny prosper. In a nuclear household with loving parents that model positive behavior - that environment will increase their chances of them being well-adjusted people. (Newsflash positive communities are built up from and by functional people)

Care about (in this order inserting God and Country and Gaia as your callings see fit):

1- care about yourself 2- care about your spouse 3- care about your kids 4- care about your parents / extended fam 5- care about your community

This is kind of like putting on your breathing mask in the airplane before you help others put theirs on.

If you’re going straight to number five thinking you have to care more about your community in order to have kids you’re going to have a fucked up household.

I’m not even gonna talk about morality - I’m simply going to state that producing functional children and budding adults more likely stems from stable households and positive marital relations purely on a functional level- it holds water. And that alone is a valid reason to “commit”. (And the actual emotional depth you get from sharing yourself fully with someone and getting to know someone over decades)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't even want kids but I see value in committing because I love my girlfriend and want her by my side for the rest of my life and she wants the same from me.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

yup, which is why the spouse/life partner is #2 on my list, before kids (#3). just don't forget about you (#1)

I've said it before, YOU are your own longest long-term-relationship, do not forget to take care of yourself. Do not put her first, or oddly, she will lose some attraction for you. Other subs deal with why.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely.

[–]The3liGator1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

True. Extreme individuality is responsible for so many of society's ills. We refuse to see ourself as part of a society, but have no problem blaming it for our issues.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Extreme individuality is responsible for so many of society's ills.

Do you have any concrete examples? I see this sentiment a lot from collectivists but it's extremely vague.

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior Karl Marx?" /sarc

[–]The3liGator1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well, there are plenty of examples. We want people to be educated, and yet we refuse to support education. We tell people to be happy by themselves, when that is impossible even if you're a sociopath. We tell people take care of their children, but there is very little reward (from the community) for doing so.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

We want people to be educated, and yet we refuse to support education.

Idk how it is in the US but in most of the developed world there's free compulsory education until the age of 18. Further education (university) should really only be attended by people who actually need degrees for their career. Most office jobs do not require a degree. If anything we need to stop expecting everyone to go university.

"Striving for ‘universal education’ weakens education so much that it can no longer bestow any privileges or be worthy of any respect at all. The most universal education of all is barbarism, is it not?"

We tell people to be happy by themselves, when that is impossible even if you're a sociopath.

How is it the responsibility of others to get someone friends and a girlfriend/boyfriend? If you want those things go out and learn to socialise like everyone else. I don't see what "society" can do about it if the individual is unwilling to make the necessary effort.

We tell people take care of their children, but there is very little reward (from the community) for doing so.

Unless you are a sociopath, you should get an emotional reward from taking care of your children and seeing them grow up to be happy and successful. If you don't believe that is enough, don't have children.

And again I feel the need to ask... exactly what is it you believe "the community" needs to do here? Pat parents on the back for looking after their own kids?

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

you're projecting. maybe it's the company I keep, but the fellow Libertarian leaning friends and hobby acquaintances I hang with do not "blame [society] for our issues". We didn't pick our parents, nor how we were raised as young children, but after that, we're where we "are" (for better or worse) in life we feel was mainly due to decisions we've made. Chance, luck, wrong/right-place-right-time all impacts of course, but those even out over a lifetime, across large numbers of people. If you're unhappy look in the mirror. If you want to make a better world, do so only after getting your own house and self in order. Nobody wants a virtue signaling hypocrite at the county board meeting speaking out the side of their mouth.

[–]The3liGator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you're projecting. maybe it's the company I keep, but the fellow Libertarian leaning friends and hobby acquaintances I hang with do not "blame [society] for our issues".

Exactly, that's a problem. Society shapes you more than you shape yourself. It's easy to say that you are responsible for how you turned out to when society puts you in a position that makes you successful.

We didn't pick our parents, nor how we were raised as young children, but after that, we're where we "are" (for better or worse) in life we feel was mainly due to decisions we've made.

The choices you make are influenced by how you're raised. and how you're raised has a big impact, the choices you think you make are a very little consequence.

Chance, luck, wrong/right-place-right-time all impacts of course, but those even out over a lifetime, across large numbers of people.

I'm guessing things turned out well for you. There is literally no evidence that it evens out. Income inequality is getting worse. Minorities are constantly given less for the same amount of work.

If you're unhappy look in the mirror.

That's an easy way to keep the peasants from trying to make the world better. this is the same kind of logic that the blamed black people for the faults in black schools. It's the same kind of logic that kept the peasants poor.

I say this is a person who comes from a rich family.some people will not be successful no matter what they do, I will likely be successful no matter what I do.

If you want to make a better world, do so only after getting your own house and self in order.

You can always improve yourself. That means that you can never fix the world because you always have room to fix yourself.

Nobody wants a virtue signaling hypocrite at the county board meeting speaking out the side of their mouth.

That doesn't mean what they say is bad or wrong. You can say slavery is bad while still owning slaves, that doesn't make owning slaves good.

[–]Jathrowaway974 points5 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Why is that a problem? You should always strive to BE and GET the best you possibly can.

[–]The3liGator-1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

At what cost though?

[–]Jathrowaway974 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

None if you’re in tune with your emotions.

[–]The3liGator-1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

If you drove nothing but supercars, and lived in mansions, if you have to have roommates in a two-bedroom apartment and only use public transportation, you will be very angry. It doesn't matter how "in tune with your emotions" you are.

[–]Jathrowaway972 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

If it was my own screw ups that got me there I wouldn’t be angry. Id be disappointed in myself and work to get back where I was if possible. Otherwise I’d take the L.

[–]The3liGator-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What if it wasn't your fault? Also, you still view it as an L. You cannot be as satisfied with a used minivan as you have been had you not experienced the Ferrari for most of your life.

[–]Jathrowaway973 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t be bitter about it. What’s a scenario where it wouldn’t be my fault that comparable to the smp like you’re trying to spin it?

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

why are you so hung up on the material?

there are plenty of cultures and people leading very fulfilling lives without ever having even sat in a supercar.

If you chose to focus on art, learning, reading, lounging, loving, biking, yoga, eating popcorn, whatever, then enjoy the lower stress of the shared 2 BR apt. it's the person that sacrafices a lot of those relaxation pursuits who wants the Ferrari bad enough that will get it. That's their choice. Be comfortable in your choice and not so envious of what others have (that you don't). Either work for it, earn it, or STFU.

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

why are you so hung up on the material?

It's an analogy.

there are plenty of cultures and people leading very fulfilling lives without ever having even sat in a supercar.

Exactly, they never experienced the supercar. It's the equivalent of women who did not sleep with GigaChads. They are typically happier.

If you chose to focus on art, learning, reading, lounging, loving, biking, yoga, eating popcorn, whatever, then enjoy the lower stress of the shared 2 BR apt.

You can do that while being rich. You can't love if you're ugly. Just because it can help doesn't mean it's not bad.

it's the person that sacrafices a lot of those relaxation pursuits who wants the Ferrari bad enough that will get it.

If you're born rich you don't have to sacrifice anything. You can have both.

However, when you lose it you will wish you never experienced it. Or you'll blame poor people for your misfortune.

That's their choice. Be comfortable in your choice and not so envious of what others have (that you don't).

It's not a choice for the majority of the population. Saying "don't be envious" is how you keep people from struggling for a better life.

Either work for it, earn it, or STFU.

You're assuming that's hard work will give people everything they want, that's a just world fallacy.

You hate the unprivileged so much that you don't even believe they have the right to be heard if they suffer.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You hate the unprivileged so much that you don't even believe they have the right to be heard if they suffer.

yeah, no. this is where i'm stoping reading. you have no idea how poor i grew up, what being homeless as a teen was like, what being forced to move and losing all friends, what being so ashamed of your homelife and parents that you feared making GF's simply for not wanting to meet their parents and have the "so what do your parents do" conversation.

i've been poor, like 3rd world poor in a 1st world country. i am not American. I was bullied and picked on because of my skin, my hair, my name and my accent growing up in the U.S.

you have no idea what you're talking about.

I have what I have, and I am what I am now, not because of society holding me down or lifting me up.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go tell that to all the dudes who got convicted with rape because a girl sucked their dick while saying "no".

Go tell that to all the kids that are brainwashed with "no means no" these days.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice61 points62 points  (78 children) | Copy Link

Personality does matter a lot just not the kind of personality you are thinking about.

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes22 points23 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

A hot guy and am ugly guy can do the exact same things and a woman will interpret it differently. So, no, personality doesn't matter.

[–]i-am-the-prize13 points14 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

That’s not logical. It has no bearing on personality.

That just means looks matter. And buy you some latitude, cache, and social credit.

Just like you might put up with a girls annoying laugh if she had amazing tits because - tradeoffs.

So looks matter. Get over it. Doesn’t mean personality doesn’t. Stop being retarded.

News flash- you can improve both your personality and your looks.

Less bitching and more self improvement will do wonders.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

JUST HOLD FRAME BRO HURR DURR

Even though hot guys can act like total pussies and still get fucked 24/7

IF YOU BUY MY BOOK AND BE ALPHA YOU'LL GET SO MUCH PUSS BRO JUST BUY MY MERCHANDISE

[–]i-am-the-prize4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

“Even though hot guys can act like total pussies and still get fucked 24/7”

Yup and Hot chicks Skip the line at Keg parties, and get into VIP at clubs, and can go a decade without paying for a meal out.

Newsflash- Pretty people have an easier life.

Newaflash v2- bitching about it doesn’t make you prettier ;)

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill-3 points-2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

DOG HOLD FRAME BRO BUY ROLLO'S BOOK BRO JUST IMPRUV URSELF DURR

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You unironically just come off as a retard here.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You just failed my shit test pal

[–]boardgaming234Rollo Is My God3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Grow the fuck up.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You aren't holding frame very well, you failed my shit test.

P.S Buy my book and you'll never fail a shit test again

[–]boardgaming234Rollo Is My God1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Grow the fuck up.

P.S. Grow the fuck up.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hold frame while lifting in the shower. P.S hold shower while framing your lift.

[–]VoteLobsterFlying Purple People Eater10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That doesn’t mean personality doesn’t matter. That means personality matters in some situations more than others.

[–]Jathrowaway975 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly! I don’t understand why people don’t get this.

[–]VoteLobsterFlying Purple People Eater2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sith like to deal in absolutes. Except instead of Sith, it’s STEM-cels with no sense of social intelligence.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Read what you just wrote and find the logical dumbfuckery yourself.

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I read it. Can't find it. Checkmate!

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Man you really are retarded then.

More than one factor goes in to determining how women perceive men. The "logic" train of your sentence is based on the idea that if looks matter at all then nothing else matters. Which is dumb as fuck.

Your inability to see such a basic logical fallacy in your own one liner is quite telling.

[–]VoteLobsterFlying Purple People Eater2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I swear the words “maybe” and “sometimes” don’t exist in some of these people’s vocabularies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unrelated but I like your flair.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's from all the nice guys who only act nice because they are too afraid to stand up for themselves.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever wondered why people can tell the exact same joke but it's only funny when certain people tell it? That's cause looks. How we judge personality depends on look.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice44 points45 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

That's because of charisma and comedic timing. The fact that you are unaware of it means you don't have it.

[–]TopOccasion29Mostly Red15 points16 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

While charisma and comedic timing does matter, it is perceived differently when good looking people do it compared to ugly people.

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man20 points21 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Patrice O'Neal was a gap-toothed, grossly overweight man who suffered from diabetes.

One of the funniest comedians alive and absolutely SLAYED with women.

[–]Jathrowaway974 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! Kevin Hart, Bill Burr, Louis CK etc aren’t the greatest looking men but they’re hilarious and renowned for it.

[–]The3liGator3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

They need to be funnier than their good-looking counterparts

[–]Jathrowaway973 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Tbh I’ve never seen a good looking famous male comedian so I’m not sure how true that is. Comedy is one of the realms where talent outweighs looks.

[–]The3liGator1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

They tend to go to Hollywood. The ugly stay in stand-up.

[–]Jathrowaway970 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Like who? Kevin Hart,Adam Sandler and Owen Wilson are all Hollywood and they’re not that great looking.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He was with a single mother.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I wonder why.🤔

[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Keep up that defeatist thinking.

I can name SHORT funny men, but you'll hamster your way into an explanation for that too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not defeatism, it's realism.

[–]thundrthy-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying men ONLY like women for their appearance? A man has never hated a hot girl because she was dumb or a bitch? Men only laugh at hot girls jokes?

It's like you think were a different species or something.

I highly recommend you look deep into some behavioral and evolutionary psychology. You'll understand how all of nature functions and why.

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

> Talks about hamstering

> Says she will name precise examples of short men that are funny that does not apply to short guys in general

ToraChan, say in your lane.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good looks adds slightly to perception, so what.

[–]party_dragon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

especially on the radio and movies like Superbad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And thanks for the slight insult. You did good.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you a chick or a dude?

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

dude

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Charisma is just another word for looks. Charisma depends a lot on mimics, gestures, tonality which are all physical traits = looks.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice25 points26 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

mimics, gestures, tonality

All of those are actions not looks.

So are you claiming that all funny guys are super tall and good looking?

Incels must be spawned in a lab somewhere. Never seen the sunlight. That's the only possible explanation for being so unaware of how people function.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

so are you claiming that all funny guys are super tall and good looking?

Nope. That's not even remotely what I said.

Being a good soccer player is a function of looks too.

Mimics depends on your bone, tissue and muscle structure etc. Which are physical characteristics and thus looks.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice7 points8 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

lamo

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being a good piano player is too. With no hands you couldn't play that well probably. Having hands is part of looks.

Depends on looks /= has to do with sexual attraction. Different things.

[–]Reason-and-rhymebi male, anti-bullshit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is hilarious bro

[–]shonenhikada4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Bodybuilding forum did a test to see if women cared about personality. Profile 1 was of an average guy who was fun, flirtatious, sociable and someone you would consider having a good personality.

Profile 2 was of a model tier guy with the personality of an FA. The second profile not only received more matches, little to no flaking but the women actually treated him much better and were very responsive, maintaining there end of conversation.

Also a recent study came out on what causes someone to find another attractive. It was found that when it comes to actual attraction only 2 things increased a man's physically attractiveness in a woman's eyes: his looks (height and/or face) and athleticism. Personality did not have any impact on a woman finding him attractive. Contrast this with men however where it was found that a woman's personality did have an impact on their attractiveness towards her.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Irrelevant since its not in the real world.

Personality and presence doesn't project over a pic and text.

I don't understand this retardedness of doing tests where exclude other factors then use the results to conclude that the factors you excluded are not important.

[–]shonenhikada1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The study done was in person.

[–]Crazy_ManMan1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

From your description this sounds like it was not super reliable. They used only 2 people, with not many controls. If you wanted to do this study properly you would need hundreds and repeat the tests all over the planet over all different cultures with careful controls to really have real information that is useful for gauging human behavior.

I also have been flirted with quite a few times because of my personality as is my brother, so I am really not sure that personality does not matter. Maybe for some people personality does not matter a great deal, but it definitely matters to a good chunk of people. I would need to see this study and how it was done to really evaluate its scientific value.

[–]HumanBlubb2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can't do such studies because the concept of personality is very vague and is different between the genders.

Women tend to consider status/job as part of a man's personality. Man might not really agree with that.

Women rate personality based on looks. A guy in a suit in the eyes of women has more self-esteem and scores higher on other positive traits. Photoshop the clothes in the image (as to not change facial expression) and it'll look drastically different.

Women think they're judging the guy on personality when in reality they're judging him based on his clothes.

Of course - men do the same thing. It's universal for humans to do that. It's just that anecdotally men are more willing to accept that this is the case than women are willing to.

A man in a suit is perceived to be more competent (be it by men or women) when in reality... obviously that's stupid. But our brains work this way. Even when you tell our brains that this is a delusion you can't get rid of it. Our brains are just wired this way.

A guy with a cute smile will be perceived as more kind. Which is obviously also stupid. Smile doesn't reflect such traits at all - our brains just delude us into thinking it does.

You'll never be able to accurately study this because you can't isolate looks from personality "properly" and there won't be an agreement what personality even encompasses. Men might argue obesity reflects personality (doesn't care about health) - women would probably argue that obesity is just looks. Maybe skinny women would argue obesity reflects personality but obese women would say it isn't personality but looks. Who knows. It's very complicated. For an attractive man personality might indeed be irrelevant - women would be attracted regardless. For an average man maybe personality makes a difference in comparison to other average men - yet the attractive one would still win. But what are you really measuring? Maybe women would fuck average men with good personality to use him as a provider for baby but aren't really attracted like they would to a hot guy so it's not even the same thing. It'd be immensly complicated to account for and isolate all this stuff. How do you know women would answer questions honestly? How do you know men would? You can't just ask "are you atttracted" because then they might lie to not look superficial or to not admit they're just using men for material goods. That's another issue when you conduct such studies. Esp. since people are aware of the "gender war" they'd probably smell it if you were to make one gender look bad which incentivizes to lie. You have no idea whether people are honest.

IMO a lot of women/men are making up complete lies on this sub to make their gender "superior". Then there's a lot of paradoxically stuff. "Don't sexually objectify us" but then "what should I wear to attract them guys". This whole gender war is one huge fucking mess.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey what do you think about this one:

Is posture “looks”?

I ask because it’s key to looks and charisma but is easily trained

[–]bonobo-no0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then wdym?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

A tall guy versus a short guy. Both guys have the desirable personality that you're thinking of (whatever that may be). Who does the girl choose?

Tall guy obviously. So no, personality doesn't matter in this instance. Appearance is the deciding factor. And you know it.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My god blackpills make you retarded

You present a scenario with only a single variable then use that to claim that is the only variable that matters when you have artificially eliminated all the others.

Personality doesn't matter when you have two guys with the exact same personality. lamo

Did you stop to think before you hit the reply button?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck the blackpill. I'm red pilled dawg. But good point

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personality does matter a lot when looks stop mattering a lot because he passes the looks fitness test.

[–]SOwEDEtizolam7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Based on their attractiveness not their looks alone. A lot goes into being attractive beyond just looks.

[–]queeloquee6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am a woman and i must say a woman that said that at first the personality matter is saying bullshit. Women, as men always decide who to date based on their appearance and any sex appeal.

Personality plays afterwards, personality will say if we will decided to date this person many other times or even if we see him as a potential partner.

[–]binkerfluid3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Personality matters for sure for women I think...after you have reached the looks barrier. Also a certain amount of looks overshadows any personality or lack thereof.

[–]JustBakeCakes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't that like true for both genders lol

[–]binkerfluid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes

people were saying it didnt matter at all but it does after you are accepted for being good looking.

[–]lilacluna54825 points26 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

How many women actually claim that looks don't matter? Both looks and personality matter to normal people.

[–]cloudnymphe7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t get why people on here always say this is something women regularly say. I’ve never ever in my life heard another women say that looks don’t matter. I’ve heard many say that personality matters too and that looks aren’t the MOST important thing, but not that they don’t matter at all. The only people I’ve heard say this is some men who insist they can “game” women and that women aren’t visually sexual like men are.

[–]The_Madmans_Reign18M2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the claim is that personality in the form of "game" or "masculine behavior" or "charm" can make men more sexually attractive.

[–]JameisBong5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women have a minimum standard, basically if you are fuckable they will date you,but there is a tax for ugly men. Flowers, attention,beta bux you know the usual.

[–]lilacluna5483 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I suppose that's often true. I wouldnt want to be in a relationship with any man who didnt give me a fair amount of attention, even if he was hot, though. Shouldnt you want to pay attention to someone if you love them? Flowers and gifts are sweet but I don't think they should be expected

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ask the same question on Facebook

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There are two types of women:

  • Tells you looks matter, lies to you about majority of men being ugly
  • tells you looks don't matter, tells you all men are shit looking because they don't take care of themselves like women

[–]lilacluna548-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The majority of men aren't ugly. Some of you are, but it's not more than half of you. Why do you insist that I must be lying?

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's just that 80% of men are cut out of your standards, no matter how you turn it. Some women will justify it with men not taking care of themselves, some others will tell you most men are ok but they have a "type", some others will be more realistic and just tell you all are ugly.

[–]lilacluna548-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My physical standards aren't that extreme. I don't have a type and definitely find more than 20% of men attractive. I wouldn't even want to date the top 20% of men, I know I'm not good enough to keep a man like that. Probably around half of men are attractive. I'm only hovering around the 50th percentile myself, who am I to be picky? I don't think those women with ridiculously high standards are the ones being realistic

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah that's the thought process of most people (I hope). That's good, I hope you're just not having an apex fallacy where you only find 50% of men attractive in a subset of men where the ugly ones are already discarded.

[–]king_of_red_alphasAll Pills Are Poison6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this has been touched on in the thread but -

Just like size-queens exist, we have to accept that "looks queens" exist as well. That is, there is a (large) subset of women that will do just about anything to get a hot guy. A large percentage of this subset hamster (or lie) that there is "just something about" the guy's personality, when the reality is purely superficial.

I think that's the disconnect here - Many attractive women (which, let's face it - is who most RP's are talking about) consciously or subconsciously want somebody on her looks level or higher for various reasons (pure animal attraction, social capital, etc)

See - This video: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35rd8x

Then you have the less hot women who likewise chase a hot guy for the validation factor. They are content to be part of his harem / get pumped and dumped for the experience of banging a hot guy (there was a brutal episode of the show Nip/Tuck showing this scenario)

See - This video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGQr-LKulrM

The thing I think women are missing here is that a large subset of women and virtually ALL women to some extent will forgive all kinds of undesirable personality traits if the guy is hot enough, despite what they say is "important"

What is forgiven becomes more extreme when various factors come into play (does she have kids? is she religious? does she have a critical peer group? etc etc)

TLDR: It's not AWALT, it's AWALT on a spectrum

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, that Nip/Tuck episode cracked me up! Christian makes me laugh.

[–]Transmigratory4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is standard: do not listen to a fish about how to catch fish, listen to the fishermen.

[–]monsimons8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This literally happened to me recently. She talked about how important spirituality was, and having an emotional connection and most importantly security, being essentially very similar to the man, i.e. "you and I are alike" aka she wants as much similarities as possible. Yet she's not physically attracted to me. I may check 98% of the boxes. She simply doesn't find me attractive physically.

So, they don't lie. They simply don't tell the whole truth. First is the physical attraction, even if it's basically emotional arousal. Then it's everything else they usually say. I guess it's because they don't want to sound/look like sluts or "easy women", so they don't tell you that unless they find you physically attractive, there's no point in vetting you further as a potential partner unless they want to use you until they find someone better.

And by physically attractive, they mean that literally, although it's different than what men look for. Every woman is different. For example, she may like your smile, hair and they way you carry yourself.

EDIT: Forgot to say that as long as I've known her, she was constantly virtue signaling and presenting herself as this angel, mature woman, while at the same time she looked for sexy, physically aggressive men, who didn't have anything to do with all the "virtues". Basically looks and physicality matter AND the rest too depending on the longevity of the relationship she's looking for. It's based on the physical.

[–]SDW1372 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks matter to 90% of people, regardless of what people actually say. It's just a question of how much they matter. Women definitely consider looks, but they're not the only thing. But they're still the most important thing.

You must meet a minimum looks threshold first before other things like your personality are taken into consideration, just like how when you're applying to jobs straight out of college, you must meet a minimum GPA requirement. A lot of the guys who complain on the internet may genuinely have a good personality, but don't meet the minimum looks threshold of whoever they're interested in.

[–]LotBuilder3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This conversation always reminds me of the comedian Patrice O’Neal (RIP).

He said something along the lines of: If you want to learn how to catch fish, do you ask a professional angler that has caught thousands of fish or do you ask a fish how they would like to be caught?

Women give really bad advice (be yourself, be sweet) because they can’t give the real advice (need 2/4 of the following: sexy,rich,fun, status). You can’t be strait with guys that are 0 for 4.

[–]bluehorserunning-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If you think that women are prey, then you're right: they don't want to be caught by you.

[–]LotBuilder0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

The fish is making the move... you are laying out the bait and setting the hook when they engage. They catch themselves.

[–]bluehorserunning1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Again: if you think that relationships are anything like hunting, women are better off avoiding you.

[–]LotBuilder2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, women are 100% better off avoiding me... but they don’t. 😂😈

[–]ShotgunTRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell that to george of the jungle and tarzan you uneducated swine

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe if you guys stopped being little bitches when women state their preferences, we wouldn’t lie to shut you up?

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women don’t just lie about it out of conflict avoidance. Many of them actually want to believe that their sexuality is far more nuanced and refined than men’s. Some women will deny it even when men tell them it’s ok to like attractive men.

[–]MILFBucket1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both of these are such good points

[–]SupremeMystique1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There have even been studies that show something to this effect. Women underestimate THEIR OWN priority on physical attractiveness. They say looks are not important like personality but emphasize looks over and over again.

It's the reason why women love the bullies and douchey fratboys. Looks matter far more than personality.

[–]SaltKoala6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Lol no woman says that looks don't matter. Women have a more holistic set of criteria when it comes to finding a partner, looks certainly is a factor but it isn't the sole factor like it is for most men. Women generally care about BOTH personality and looks while men only care if the woman he's seeing is the most attractive woman he can reasonably obtain.

[–]bonobo-no2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I’m a guy and I’d rather be with someone else who likes U2, watching sports, and is a feminist than some right wing girl who listens to Cardi B and doesn’t know who Carmelo Anthony is.

[–]SaltKoala4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right wing girls listen to cardi B?

[–]bonobo-no0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk. Just saying an artist I find annoying, which is basically just her. I like almost all music.

[–]OverEasyFetus-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You want your girl to be a feminist? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[–]bonobo-no2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

She would be against gender roles, patriarchy, and probably also be pro LGBTQ. Pretty much ideal GF. Idk why most of you guys are against feminism.

[–]OverEasyFetus-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They're against gender roles when it suits them. She dosent want to cook or clean, or do anything for that matter. I have no idea why anyone would want to date a feminist but suit yourself

[–]bonobo-no2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Won’t expect me to be hypermasculine. Which is good because I’m not that at all.

[–]tritter211Pragmatic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh you sweet Summer child... I got news for you.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

noone dislikes benelovent sexism

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Lol no woman says that looks don't matter.

Bullllllllllllllllllllshit. The legions of women who want Jeremy Meeks personality unseen would like a word with you.

[–]Texastentialismshe's got a tattoo and two pet snakes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The women who want Jeremy Meeks say that looks don't matter?

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Not me. He looks like a mouthbreathing troglodyte and he’s a deadbeat dad. Makes my vagina dry as the Sahara desert

[–]Theemulators1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yet his looks is the first thing in your comment......

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

He’s obviously handsome and in great shape. He just looks kind of stupid to me, which he probably is, and looks aren’t enough.

[–]Theemulators0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So superficial that you think you can see how stupid he is based on how he looks..... you superficial thot.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao and his life history. Stay mad bitch!

[–]Theemulators0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He just looks kind of stupid to me

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not me. He looks like a mouthbreathing troglodyte and he’s a deadbeat dad. Makes my vagina dry as the Sahara desert

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but you're an exception. Meeks doesn't ever have to sweat the handful of women who don't see him as sexy.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah don't listen to them if you can't understand womanese. Its a lot easier dealing with women when you can actually communicate with them.

Just understand, you might find out they are actual people.

[–]Crazy_ManMan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have had quite a few friends over the years, both men and women, and 99% of the time problems that are blamed on any number of things are usually just poor communication skills and usually little to do with the physical gender of the person. People are bad communicators in my experience, despite good communication skills being so valuable I am surprised how it seems few people actually work on perfecting their communication skills, most of good communication is good listening skills and asking good questions*, not talking. Basically people want to feel understood often times more than they want to feel loved and I think people would have much more success not only in dating but in life in general if they took the time to learn this skill set.

*good questions do not attack the person or the conclusion. They target the method they used to get to a conclusion in a non-aggressive way in order to understand what the person is thinking and feeling and how they got there.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you might find out they are actual people.

I checked, they arent.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm; am ambulatory vagina dentata.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Anybody who says that is disingenuous. What she meant is that it’s okay if a dude isn’t a gym rat or a pretty boy. Not that he could be a schlubby, obese, poorly dressed, with bad teeth dude.

If a guy is normal BMI (extra muscle is very nice! But certainly not required) 5’5+, takes care of his personal grooming (hair, facial hair, hygiene) that’s like 75% of the way there. After that it’s if his particular face appeals to her, and women like different faces: a man I think is quirkily cute as fuck might not appeal to my friends at all and vice versa.

No shit women like to fuck men that are at least basically physically attractive. Why the fuck would you EVER think otherwise? Just because we aren’t as visually stimulated as men doesn’t mean we’ll go for whatever troll we come across lmao

[–]Theemulators7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just because we aren’t as visually stimulated as men

Why would you think this is true?

[–]MasonMan12346 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Seems like you missed the point of my post, which is never to listen to women when it comes to dating, and here you are talking about dating :|

[–]ThatOneExpatriate0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’ll never learn with that approach

[–]uniqueeleniNo Pill-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You seem kind of dense to be honest. You seem to base your point of view on the assumption that all or most women claim that looks don’t matter at all which is certainly not the truth. You only pay attention to the claims that already confirm your already established bias AND you don’t know how to interpret what women mean when they say something that sounds like that to you because you clearly don’t understand how women work.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Again not the point, I'm not going to repeat myself.

[–]uniqueeleniNo Pill0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol you are not very bright huh?

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL the irony. Let me put it plainly, most women are too polite/passive to tell men what they're actually thinking in regards to dating. The basis for my point of view is NOT the assumption that all or most women claim that looks don't matter, that's just an example, my basis is the biological nature of women. Of course you're airheaded and lack elementary literacy skills so I had to explain in detail what I already stated.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean what the fuck do you want? For us to be like “no dude I would never go on a date with you, you’re too ugly/fat/whatever”

Men of all ages and attractiveness levels hit on young women. As a result they have to turn down a lot of men. It would be pretty mean to just state “I would never have sex with you so no.” To unattractive dudes after they shoot their shot. What good does that do for anybody?

[–]MasonMan12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What does any of what you just said have to do with my post? I'm not talking about how women turn down men, I'm talking about women who give dating advice to men.

[–]JustBakeCakes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That would help a lot because I have better things to do with my time vs dating a women who isn't even interested in me and sending mixed signals bc she is afraid to hurt my feelings. You have no problem respecting my feelings I guess, but I'd rather you respect my time.

[–]bluehorserunning1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

^this. Likewise wanting a guy who *has a job* isn't the same as wanting a millionaire. 'Doesn't smell' and 'has a life' make for a pretty low floor, compared to the average woman out there; the problem is that so many of the guys on the internet are living in the basement, both literally and figuratively.

[–]The3liGator2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Those things are different. So, when a woman says she wants a guy who "doesn't smell" she actually means rich and tall. That part is why you shouldn't listen to women.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Lmao whatever makes you feel better bud. There seem to be a multitude of happily taken/married men that aren’t rich or particularly tall so... maybe it’s just your personality.

[–]The3liGator1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Married doesn't mean desired or loved.

[–]bluehorserunning-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It kind of does, at least at first. Some marriages do end up failing, and that’s why the people end the marriage.

Of course some people are sociopaths and get married for ulterior motives, but most get married because they fall in love.

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It kind of does, at least at first.

Betabuxx and settling post-wall are not love or desire.

Of course some people are sociopaths and get married for ulterior motives,

Not sociopaths, just selfish, short-sighted, and/or greedy.

but most get married because they fall in love.

Most get married because they feel they have to.

[–]bluehorserunning0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

All of those are bad reasons to get married, I agree - thankfully, they are quite rare. I’m sorry you’re so cynical/misanthropic that you think that they’re significant enough to argue about.

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All of those are bad reasons to get married, I agree - thankfully, they are quite rare.

Not in my experience. People just lie about them, and shit comes out after the divorce or is swallowed but is obvious.

I’m sorry you’re so cynical/misanthropic that you think that they’re significant enough to argue about.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/dh4z3u/who_cares

[–]bluehorserunning0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Again: that’s very sad.

[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Financially independent. Has a degree. Works a decent job. Has a car. I have those things and I require a SO to have them. They don’t have to be fancy lol, but I’m looking for a husband and partner, not a manchild dependent.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You misspelled Per$$$onality

[–]throwawaytehee2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol my ex was ugly. He was 5'5 and fat. Everyone always made comments on how I could do better but I didnt care because I really liked him. I liked his personality. And He liked me because I was so much prettier than him, and that's not me even being mean. People told him this. So who's more superficial? Not to mention he still treated me like garbage and broke up with me.

[–]MasonMan12344 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cool story bro.

[–]throwawaytehee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

*TRUE

[–]JustBakeCakes0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So why was he your ex? He broke it off and why?

[–]throwawaytehee0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

He kept ditching our plans to hang out with friends so much so we started fighting about it. Told me he was tired of fighting dumped me over text and told a friend he just wanted a girlfriend he could hit up when he was bored.

[–]JustBakeCakes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks like he will regret what he did to you in a few years. Dumbass.

[–]irespectwoodlarry 2 points [recovered]  (24 children) | Copy Link

You guys are truly idiots.

Nobody is saying looks don’t matter. They certainly influence attraction and definitely make it easier to date.

You basically have three categories-

Physical attractiveness

Personality

Success

Each person bases a person’s worth on the three things. How much each is worth is subjective to the individual and varies greatly.

Some people may personally feel that physical attractiveness is worth 30%, personality 50%, success 20%.

Another person may feel that physical attraction is only 10%, personality is 20%, and success is 70%.

A third may feel physical attraction is the more important at 80%, success at 20% and they don’t give a shit what kind of person you are.

I’d say that the majority of people tend to split all three pretty evenly but incels either think it’s 100% physical attractiveness or 60% physical attraction and 40% success with personality holding no weight.

In any of these people, you’ll find yourself in their good graces of you can be about 70% of their ideal person. Try your best at all three but don’t worry yourself if you are not their person. Not only is each person different in how important each of these categories are to them, but the categories themselves are fairly subjective.

Physical attractiveness could mean super tall, extremely muscular, with strong chiseled facial features to one woman. The next might prefer a more average height, thin, with softer features. Identical men might attract different women based on how they present themselves. One woman might be into a rugged, hipster kinda slouchy casual guy and the next might prefer a clean cut, ironed underwear and tight shave military guy.

The same for personality. What one woman finds attractive, another of our off by. There are women attracted to loud mouthed, shit starting, jealous control freaks. Other women prefer stoic, thoughtful, charismatic men. Some like a quiet shy guy.

Again for success. Some may perceive success as being rich. Some see success as personal contentment. Some as ability to achieve goals set. It’s subjective.

Unfortunately, incels are unlikely to attract anyone because they are self proclaimed physically unattractive, have an objectively terrible personality, and are often angry at the idea of having to put forth effort to be successful both in their careers and personal life.

If we took one physically unattractive man, gave him an endearing personality and good work ethic, he would not be an incel. He may not attract the women that value physical attraction the most, but he would attract plenty of women that value personality and success.

The “Chads” are the men that have traits of all three, despite the incel proclamation that they’re all lazy abusers. The really good looking men that have bad personalities and little success are only getting the women that value looks above all.

I gotta day, it’s pretty weird trying to explain common sense to adults.

[–]Undead_Chronic0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy Link

You guys are truly idiots.

Nobody is saying looks don’t matter

Bitches are saying it you fool. Damn that condescending tone made you look real dumb.

[–]bluehorserunning0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have literally never heard any of my woman friends say that 'looks don't matter.'

[–]irespectwoodlarry 1 points [recovered]  (21 children) | Copy Link

When “bitches” say that, they’re trying to convey that looks aren’t all that matters. As in, you wouldn’t be an incel if you weren’t a terrible person.

Pick two. Have two of the three things that make a person attractive and you will no longer be an incel. But you don’t want to put forth any effort into being a decent person or step back from your weird cartoon porn and internet hate groups to have any sort of personal or professional success so it’s a lot easier to cop out by acting like it’s out of your control based on your little wrists.

You’re a bunch of whiny little crybabies yelling gimme gimme at the toys that aren’t yours and nobody is going to share with you if you keep shitting your pants and hitting people.

[–]FafaRifaFansi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if you are uneducated and work in walmart plus physically ugly ?

[–]Undead_Chronic-2 points-1 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

So people so say that? Keep up the mu big brain bullshit. You are an amateur at this lol.

Get red pilled for once ya cunt

[–]irespectwoodlarry 1 points [recovered]  (17 children) | Copy Link

😂 Sometimes I forget you incels can’t comprehend anything more in depth than a 4 word sentence, let alone a multifaceted conversation. You’re right, how amateur of me. I should’ve used the little made up dictionary you use to put everything into little boxes so you can try to understand things. Let me try again.

Girl hungry.

Girl want 3 apples but girl can be happy with 2 apples instead.

Best boy have 3 apples and make girl happy.

Average boy have 2 apples and make girl happy.

Loser incel boy have no apples and cries that girls only want 1 apple.

Girl says that 3 apples best, 2 apples good.

Loser incel boy hates girl because she wants apples.

Loser incel boy says boy with 2 apples is bad.

Loser incel boy says girl only happy with 1 apple but should be happy with no apples.

Girl still happy with 2 apples.

Loser incel boy angry and sad but still no pick apples.

Everyone in the world happy eating apples except loser incel boy.

Maybe if loser incel boy would stop spewing his hate for girl on internet and go pick apples, he would no longer be loser incel boy.

Loser incel boy still refuses to pick apples and can’t understand why girls go to boys with apples.

Loser incel boy pretends 2 apples don’t exists and only 1 apple exists so he doesn’t have to take responsibility for not picking apples.

Loser incel boy will die alone under apple tree crying that nobody handed him apples.

[–]Undead_Chronic-2 points-1 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Im loving these enormous strawmen you are writing. Need to get your bitterness out? Cute.

I could be creaming your mother and youd still call me an incel lmfao.

[–]irespectwoodlarry 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy Link

Ah, yes. Straw man. The beloved cop out for incels that don’t have a rebuttal.

Can you tel me what exactly was my strawman argument and how it differed from the original point or are was the mom joke the best you had.

I would really love just a single statement that had anything to do with the argument here. Just one. Because so far, it’s just been a stream of insults and cop outs, which is the stereotypical incel way of forfeiting when they can’t come up with an actual relevant response.

[–]Undead_Chronic0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

You can tell by the 5 paragraph initial response to my comment that you are quite sensitive and looking for a fight.

Let me assure you: you are not worth my time arguing about red pill philosophy. I am much more successful doing that on my channel than with a bitter redditor with something to prove to somebody they dont even understand 😂

[–]irespectwoodlarry 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

Sensitive? Haha, if you say so. Or maybe I like saying things to you that I know you can’t defend. I do enjoy exposing your flaws in logic. It brings me joy when you incels day “Not gonna even waste my breath to explain myself” in the pill debate forum. Because I know that you know that I know I won and everyone here gets to see it.

Thanks!

[–]Undead_Chronic0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Im not even reading your novels bru. Nobody here thinks you are smart lol But ill let you sperg out on my channel if you want since you are entertaining

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

On dating apps I screen a guy first by career, then education and then looks. I would argue that career and education are almost as valuable for men when it comes to their dating prospects as their appearance.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

On dating apps I screen a guy first by career, then education and then looks. I would argue that career and education are almost as valuable for men when it comes to their dating prospects as their appearance.

You aren't 23!!!! You're at least 30!!!! LOLOLOLOL thanks for the confirmation of Beta Bux.

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’m 22 lol

[–]Dustin_BromainTeam Red1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What’s your career like and what are you looking for in a man career-wise? I’m curious.

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I work in a pretty good business field (don’t want to get too specific but think finance/consulting)

I tend to want a guy who works in a selective business field but am open to lawyers etc. my current boyfriend works in finance. I also tend to prefer guys who are a bit older.

[–]Dustin_BromainTeam Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, that makes sense to me. The other guy though, he appears to be screeching at you for no reason.

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah seems like some men can’t really comprehend that for most women a man’s career/education is important to him being “alpha”

[–]SDW1370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

👀

[–]prettyprincess916 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Screening for an education and job means we’ll be able to have interesting conversation. I make more money than most men in my age range up to 5+ years and can easily retire/second career whenever I want, and yes I still want to be able to have an intelligent conversation.

I don’t tell guys how much I make, or details about what I do, or bring them back to my house - the few guys I have (even on a fourth date), they’re making jokes about moving in and asking if I need a house husband. Very unattractive, I have a dishwasher and can pick up after myself - if they have a good career they won’t do this.

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I feel similarly. I also feel like if a man has a good career he’s more supportive of my career and doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder/doesn’t feel the need to put me down

[–]cloudnymphe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I also like people who can hold a good conversation and are interesting. But personally the people I’ve met who are the most intelligent to me and I’ve learned the most and are the least boring aren’t even necessarily the ones who even have a high school degree, job, or permanent place of residence.

But I do tend to be into the starving artist type. If anything I often find a lot of the men who have their finances together and have a good job kind of boring, honestly.

I don’t have my shit together either or want a relationship, although I like the idea in theory or being the provider and having a househusband, if I I made enough to support the both of us and my partner was down for that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good stuff.

I've thought about whoring myself off with online dating.

I'm in a hell of a pickle. On the one hand, I am good looking, have a desirable career, am well educated, funny and able to talk about pretty much everything with anyone.....yet part of my retirement plan is having enough cash on hand to buy my next vehicle, which I will be able to live in (I now drive a '16 Honda which should last at least 15 years). In middle class terms, I'm totally fucked and will never be unfucked.

However, I was good looking before I got under the barbell, plus I'm not too shabby as a lead dancer.

I think it would be a hoot to have a profile on Bumble that says "Educated arm candy for your fancy function/party/whatever"

[–]ResponsibleCharacter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao sub 23 PEOPLE are kids and yeah sometimes they’ll fuck someone just because they’re hot. Men and women. Get the fuck over it!!! Seriously it’s not a goddamn mystery, like any man at <23 doesn’t just try to fuck the hottest girls possible, gtfo. Women, even that young, still have a lot more discernment in partners than their male counterparts of the same age.

[–]JameisBong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even Oprah needed a beta bux boyfriend when she hit the wall,it doesn't negate the theory.

[–]misunderstood_9gagerChad is as real as Pepe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i t s b i g brain tajme

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

duhhhhhhhhhh

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, the virtual signal. Almost indistinguishable from a real signal, amazing what they can do with technology these days.

[–]FlavFal31F0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm always telling people that looks matter.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant the best you can get. Not the best in existence. A lack of self awareness will be a hinderance to actually finding a match - which is fine - either they will get wise(r) or she will become a cat lady spinster and he MGTOW.

I think you’re thinking of Nash’s Non-Coperative game theory (the guy from A Beautiful Mind movie)

[–]Mausham1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be confident in who you are, and girls that want you or need you will come to you, then the game is all in your hands

[–]LeftEntry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most attractive women, "I care about the looks first, then personality. There are plenty of good looking people to choose from and then it's narrowing down based on personality."

Ugly guy or average guy who thinks they are better looking than they are, "Women are SO SHALLOW and only into alphas. Why won't this blonde cheerleader suck my flaccid dick?"

[–]MILFBucket0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Attractive personality traits: Energetic, Witty, Charismatic, Optimistic, Spontaneous, etc.

Much like a woman's physical beauty can give men a rush of excitement, women can get a similar rush but in the form of intense engagement with a stimulating male figure who deems one of them 'special' enough to 'rescue' from boredom and escort through a series of personalized 'adventures' (basically Prince Charming lol).

The confusion is understandable because "personality" is a multifarious word that means different things to different people in different contexts. In this case, a (good) personality is not to be confused with being kind or mild-mannered. Those things don't spark attraction, though they do work well

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Attractive personality traits: Energetic, Witty, Charismatic, Optimistic, Spontaneous, etc.

These are attractive to anyone. And to the contrary, hot women lacking in these traits lose out more that the ones that do have them

[–]i-am-the-prize-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

MasonMan1234 you need to work on your SMV.

High value men don’t bitch about the game.

[–]MasonMan12344 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this a bait comment? If so it kinda worked.

[–]JameisBong-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OmG I'm like sapiosexual🙄,"you gotta stimulate my mind before we have sex".My question is did you apply the same standards to the 200 plus men you banged or is it just me?

[–]PeskyPapayablue1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boring ugly people coping post #3625

[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying that them dating men based on looks is actually a virtual reality illusion? :o

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They just want to seem unshallow. Not unlike men. The problem isn't with women. It's with society, feminism, etc acting like it's only men whom are shallow.

That's what needs to change.

[–]CamoWoobie1000000-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dont listen to women, period.

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It's true. Only chad has ever seen a vagina. 80% of men have never touched a boob. It is known.

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