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Come to me, ugly women. I will fuck you. If you aren't in my area, pay me half the travel costs and I will fuck you.

Other (non-Chads) men feel free to offer your sexual services. See the number of women who "have the same/similar issues as men" who respond.

Edit: Switch genders and realize why women don't have it as hard as men.


[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

Not every woman wants meaningless sex though. I think that most women know that men are really thirsty, I think most women who complain about that kind of stuff actually want relationships, not just sex. Unless Im wrong? Idk.

[–]The3liGator 17 points18 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

With how quickly I've seen the same women drop their panties for Chad, and how they treat him better, I disagree.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

That's fair if that's what you've seen. I've spent a lot of my life single (though I don't complain about it, my fault mostly), and I don't want to fuck men who I don't trust either, Chads or not. And I tend to just see everything from my point of view (or close friends points of view) too often, probably.

[–]The3liGator 10 points11 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that most women say they want 'men' who they trust, 'men' who treat them nicely, 'men' who are funny, etc. They just fail to mention that that man also has to be Chad, and (more often than not) those standards drop significantly, if not outright disappear, when they meet a man who is Chad enough.

[–]Freevoulous||| 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

how is that surprising? Humans want things. Women would love a guy who is both capable of delivering, while decent about it. Since most cannot have everything, they must compromise between having someone who is capable (a Chad) and someone who is decent.

Lets even narrow it down to sex. Women want a guy who:

- actually looks fuckable naked and is not gross

- is experienced enough in bed to know how to fuck

- is nice enough to care about HER pleasure as well

- is decent enough to not pump and dump but at least stay in the morning to chat

- has dick big enough to actually be useful

Now, out of these 5 things, most men deliver 2 at best, so some women end up fucking Chads in the hopes he MIGHT turn up nice. Sure, they could give a chance to a virgin neckbeard incel, who might be nice and decent person, but the chances he will be actually able to fuck them to completion are fairly small. SO what is the point even trying?

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

how is that surprising? Humans want things.

Not surprising, just a pretty face for an explanation. Also, let's not pretend that the common opinion is it that women only want attractive men.

just because something is natural does not mean it's good. Nature wants people to die of diabetes.

Women would love a guy who is both capable of delivering, while decent about it. Since most cannot have everything, they must compromise between having someone who is capable (a Chad) and someone who is decent.

There are decent Chads. Also, women will sleep with Chad and then hope that he is decent. Non Chads don't even have a chance.

Lets even narrow it down to sex. Women want a guy who:

- actually looks fuckable naked and is not gross

Fuckable and not gross are not the same thing. This gives men the false impression that if they are not gross they can get laid oh, but that's not true. Also, the bar for what does fuckable is very high. Most men are not fuckable.

- is experienced enough in bed to know how to fuck

You can't do that without already having sex. Also, this dispels the myth that nobody cares that you're a virgin.

- is nice enough to care about HER pleasure as well

Women will consistently sleep with a guy who doesn't care about her pleasure, but they will complain about it.they will do that a million times before they even give a person that they view as the less attractive option a chance.

- is decent enough to not pump and dump but at least stay in the morning to chat

Is that why so many people know so many Chads that constantly pump and dump? Is that why women refuse one night stands /s? Is that why pumping and dumping is a very bad strategy that never works?

Also, again, if a man isn't attractive enough, he won't have a chance to chat the next morning. He will never have the chance for sex to begin with.

- has dick big enough to actually be useful

now we're talkin. You need to be born with certain physical traits. I'm glad we agree on that.

Now, out of these 5 things, most men deliver 2 at best,

So, we agree that the most men will not have the chance for sex?

so some women end up fucking Chads in the hopes he MIGHT turn up nice.

So, we agreed that women will sleep with Chad before he exhibits all of the features that women say are attractive and needed for sex?

Sure, they could give a chance to a virgin neckbeard incel, who might be nice and decent person, but the chances he will be actually able to fuck them to completion are fairly small.

What makes you think that being ugly and having a small penis are related? Or even related to sexual prowess.

SO what is the point even trying?

Because that virgin incel will not have as many options as chat. He will be afraid of losing you. He believes he has to perform. He can give you all of the above except good looks, if you give him a chance. You end up happier, if you're willing to lower your standards.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've never understood that. Being with a Chad sounds stressful. I do wanna be with someone I'm attracted to, but not someone so attractive that I feel like they could do better than me and worry that they'll realize that one day. I don't know what non-Stacies are expecting from going after Chads. Funny, nice, and trustworthy are good traits because that's someone you could have a good future and a family with. Nice and trustworthy seem like they should be the bare minimum that anyone should accept.

[–]The3liGator 6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

What is your minimum standard for attractive enough?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I looked up some of those attractiveness charts and I'd say everyone 5 or higher looks good to me, the 4s are a maybe but probably not. I want them taller than me (I'm 5'2 so this isn't a big deal) and not fat, a bit chubby is probably okay (I'm not overweight so I don't think this is unfair either).

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Can I see one of those pics?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

That's a very good representation of what I see. The world needs more people like you.

Do you use Tinder?

[–]i-am-the-prize 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've never understood that. Being with a Chad sounds stressful. I do wanna be with someone I'm attracted to, but not someone so attractive that I feel like they could do better than me and worry that they'll realize that one day.

You're not alone. Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvwTWhVT24

1) the women claim they want the dad bod for huggable and relationship type man

2) yet they won't stop eye fucking fitbod once shirt is off and do say for OneNight Stand his bod is nice... (see 2:30 ish)

[–]JameisBong1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Yea attraction and arousal aren't the same thing. Any man who takes you up on your offer will end up in a DB situation. Not your fault,but beta traits will dry up your lady parts eventually. I've seen it happen every time. That person you trust and can lean on emotionally suddenly wants to tie you up and have 50 shades of grey type sex?lol not going to happen.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

A man would never end up in DB with me. I'd put out at least once a week if he wanted it, I see it as part of my job as a girlfriend/wife. There are more important things in life than my sex life. Plus, a man can do both. My ex (I didn't break up with him, if you wanted to say something about him being an ex) was someone I could trust and lean on emotionally, and he was amazing in bed.

[–]JameisBong2 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

"If he wanted", that's good but that's duty sex not genuine desire. Most people don't plan on having a dead bedroom but it happens eventually when one party loses attraction. In my case any woman who is bad with money or too self absorbed gets no sex or attention from me. Even if you end up being a unicorn,the one exception doesn't disprove the rule. The men stuck in the friendzone are proof of what I'm saying. They thought they could make the transition from being emotional tampon to trusted lover and it failed every single time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I know that duty sex isn't genuine desire, if that ever happened I'd still want to keep him happy and at least pretend to desire it. I think with more than my vagina when it comes to relationships and being treated well is always going to be a priority. And the fact that women aren't attracted to EVERY guy who is caring towards them doesn't mean that a guy can't be both attractive and caring. I've almost always been the one to develop crushes on my male friends, actually.

[–]JameisBong1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

How old are you,and when did you have this epiphany? Also interesting is the word "when it comes to relationships". I'm left wondering do you require commitment from someone before you have sex with them?Or is it something you reserve for the male friends you have a crush on?And just as a side question,are you still friends with your ex/ex's?

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't mean anything except that some of that same minority are also liars. They are still the minority

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

All the data disagrees with you. Most men's experiences disagree with you.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Most men aren't in that minority either so they talking out their arse.

Sex having population is broken down like this...

Most (80%) losing their virginity through STR/LTR between the ages of 16-19

After that roughly...

40% people have sex exclusively in commited relationship

30% people mainly having sex in committed relationship, but tried casual sex a few (3-6) times throughout life

8% people frequently engage in casual sex scene (cock carousal/pussy extravaganza), eventually settle down when much older

2% people exclusively have sex casually and never in committed relationships

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Most men aren't in that minority either so they talking out their arse. Most men aren't in that minority either so they talking out their arse.

Most men don't claim to be Chads. Most men are struggling to find women. Hence the popularity of the red and black pills.

Most (80%) losing their virginity through STR/LTR between the ages of 16-19

Having sex =/= desired for sex. Unless you think that preference for casual hookups increases as you get taller.

40% people have sex exclusively in commited relationship

Serial monogamy, some men don't have sex or relationships at all, people don't admit to cheating, etc. All of these can tell you why that statistic doesn't mean anything.

30% people mainly having sex in committed relationship, but tried casual sex a few (3-6) times throughout life

Break it down by gender. Adjust for women's convenient definitions of what sex is and their propensity to lie about n-count. Most men aren't having casual sex just because they want it.

8% people frequently engage in casual sex scene (cock carousal/pussy extravaganza), eventually settle down when much older

Break it down by gender. Adjust for women's convenient definitions of what sex is and their propensity to lie about n-count. Most men aren't having casual sex because they can't have it.

2% people exclusively have sex casually and never in committed relationships

People want to settle eventually. That doesn't mean that 98% of women don't want sex with exclusively with Chad.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Most men don't claim to be Chads. Most men are struggling to find women. Hence the popularity of the red and black pills.

No most men are not struggling. Only the ones that are trying to live the life of Don Juan.

Having sex =/= desired for sex. Unless you think that preference for casual hookups increases as you get taller.

Yeah it pretty much does, unless it’s rape. People desire to fuck, so they fuck. But that reality can’t fix deep rooted insecurity.

Break it down by gender. Adjust for women's convenient definitions of what sex is and their propensity to lie about n-count. Most men aren't having casual sex just because they want it.

You can use it for either gender. Same rough percentages, your perception of how many people fucking strangers is exaggerated. As are all people who aren’t actually living that life.

People want to settle eventually. That doesn't mean that 98% of women don't want sex with exclusively with Chad.

Sex with Char isn’t as valuable as you think it is. You’ll see 40 women throw themselves at a guy and think they all want him, despite the fact there are way more than 40 women

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No most men are not struggling. Only the ones that are trying to live the life of Don Juan.

In other words, men who don't have ambitions, are not struggling to achieve those ambitions.

Yeah it pretty much does, unless it’s rape.

you can sleep with someone because you feel sorry for them. You can sleep with someone because you want something from them. You can sleep with someone because no one else will. None of those are rape, none of them are desire for sex.

People desire to fuck, so they fuck.

They desire to fuck certain people.

But that reality can’t fix deep rooted insecurity.

And security is irrelevant. Why can't you accept reality without attacking people who state facts as insecure?

You can use it for either gender.

I'd like some fucking sources. All the research suggests that women are having sex with who they want, and men are having sex with who they can. Women only desire a very small subsection of men, and most men are not capable of attracting women, but they are capable of being and eventual settling option.

Historically, only 40% of men got to breed. This hasn't changed much

Same rough percentages, your perception of how many people fucking strangers is exaggerated.

I'm not talking about strangers, I'm talking about the kind of man who women desire.

As are all people who aren’t actually living that life.

Most people don't live that life. Men don't live that life because they can't. Women don't live that life, but dabble in sex with Chad.

Sex with Char isn’t as valuable as you think it is.

I know, but it happens.

You’ll see 40 women throw themselves at a guy and think they all want him, despite the fact there are way more than 40 women

0 women are throwing themselves at the majority of men. 40 women per Chad is not a small ratio.

That means at least 39 men don't have the option.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Getting your dick wet by multiple holes is ambition?

you can sleep with someone because you feel sorry for them. You can sleep with someone because you want something from them. You can sleep with someone because no one else will. None of those are rape, none of them are desire for sex.

All these context are much rarer that the main causes, which is desire.

They desire to fuck certain people.

Yes. The people they fucking.

And security is irrelevant. Why can't you accept reality without attacking people who state facts as insecure?

It’s not an attack. It’s a statement about how that feeling will cause a person to never feel they are good enough or wanted enough. With a negative thought loop a woman can be slobbering all over a dick and balls and he will be thinking “I bet she’d suck harder for Chad

And that same insecure state of mind will feel attacked whenever it’s brought up.

I'd like some fucking sources. All the research suggests that women are having sex with who they want, and men are having sex with who they can. Women only desire a very small subsection of men, and most men are not capable of attracting women, but they are capable of being and eventual settling option.

Everyone is having sex with who they can. Women desire a whole variation of men. And a large group won’t open their legs for any stranger no matter how hot he is.

Historically, only 40% of men got to breed. This hasn't changed much

Haha what time period and what country?

I'm not talking about strangers, I'm talking about the kind of man who women desire.

.... for casual sex. Casual sex isn’t the only measurement of desire. It’s not the only space where sexual arousal happens.

Most people don't live that life. Men don't live that life because they can't. Women don't live that life, but dabble in sex with Chad.

Honestly, let go of mythical Chad. It’s not even a consistent archetype. Because off course not. Casual sex mostly takes place when both parties are piss drunk and she decides to go with the most fun dude in the moment. Usually they are not even strangers.

If a guy is struggling to get into that space because he hates getting drunk and clubs and shit, he needs to change.

0 women are throwing themselves at the majority of men. 40 women per Chad is not a small ratio.

Where you fuck up is in thinking “throwing themselves at” is the only measure of desire. Whereas most women aren’t ever gonna throw themselves at any man because they shy as shit.

That means at least 39 men don't have the option.

In that venue? Maybe. Unlikely tho, because Chad can’t fuck 40 women in a week let alone one night.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Getting your dick wet by multiple holes is ambition?

It's an ambition. It's a desire.

All these context are much rarer that the main causes, which is desire.

Do you think desire is unchangeable?

that feeling will cause a person to never feel they are good enough or wanted enough.

Because they usually aren't. They should stop lying to themselves. We should stop lying to ourselves that the world is always just and things will work out for everyone. You can't solve a problem if you don't see a problem.

With a negative thought loop a woman can be slobbering all over a dick and balls and he will be thinking “I bet she’d suck harder for Chad

That's fair. Though, I would argue that it is inevitable in this society. It will hurt worse when he knows how bad she wanted Chad vs. what he had to go through to finally get a blowjob.

Everyone is having sex with who they can.

Women reject plenty of men for not being attractive enough. So, not true.

Women desire a whole variation of men.

Ah, yes. I bet Louis CK and Brad Pitt get the same amount of pussy.

And a large group won’t open their legs for any stranger no matter how hot he is.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Tell that to every guy who has ever been in the presence of a more attractive man with his gf.

Haha what time period and what country?

It's an overall study over all of humanity. I.e. "How many guys fucked? Ever." It's a DNA study.

.... for casual sex. Casual sex isn’t the only measurement of desire. It’s not the only space where sexual arousal happens.

It is a good measurement. It shows how much you are desired compared to others.

Honestly, let go of mythical Chad.

My friends are Chads. Am I supposed to stop believing my eyes? Am I supposed to pretend that I don't see women not even look at me when they're around?

If I didn't swallow the blackpill, I would never get laid.

It’s not even a consistent archetype.

Minimum 6', hunter eyes, white, colored eyes, wide frame, full head of hair, not fat.

That's pretty consistent. Some are more Chads than others, but Chad exists.

Casual sex mostly takes place when both parties are piss drunk and she decides to go with the most fun dude in the moment.

"I liked him for his personality. The fact that he fits your archetype for Chad is a coincidence teehee." Is what usually happens. The fun guy is always coincidentally the most attractive because people don't believe in implicit biases.

Usually they are not even strangers.

Yes, because women tend to swarm around Chad.

If a guy is struggling to get into that space because he hates getting drunk and clubs and shit, he needs to change.

What if he is struggling because he is short?

Where you fuck up is in thinking “throwing themselves at” is the only measure of desire.

It's a pretty good one. How would you feel if you saw a video of your bf chasing after a woman and dressing his best around her, getting perfume, changing his personality, etc. None of which he did for you?

Whereas most women aren’t ever gonna throw themselves at any man because they shy as shit.

They signal availability. They are more willing to get over their shyness for Chad.

In that venue? Maybe. Unlikely tho, because Chad can’t fuck 40 women in a week let alone one night.

But he can pick and choose from 40 women. Those 40 women would rather go home alone than with a non-Chad. They will wait and/or try harder.

They may go for Chad-lites. They won't go for normies.

[–]oneprettycoolcat2 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not meaningless if it's with Chad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's even more meaningless if it's with Chad, because the chance he'll commit to you is even lower than with a normal guy.

[–]Jathrowaway97 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re spot on. If it was only sex women wanted you wouldn’t hear any complaints. A lot of women want meaningful relationships with mentally stable men and well and you have to put in a fair amount of work to make that happen.

[–]ready2ropePinkpilled former femcel 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being done from behind just so he doesn’t have to look at your face and then being kicked out of his place is flattering to nobody. A moid wouldn’t do that to Stacey.

[–]i-am-the-prize -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

one of my Ex's early in the relationship, asked that we not do it doggy. I thought it an odd request but honored it. As we LTR'd and got closer, I asked her why (pillow talk, you know, post nut clarity/weakness time).

1) her most recent Ex. only did her like that. She was absolutely beautiful face and amazing body/abs/tits, so I was confused - no 'brown bag over head' type scenario. So I called her on it, why the eff would he only do it like that, ever?. She said he was very self conscious about his below average dick, so thought that would give him the best penetration and only ever did it like that for more than a year they were together. She ended up hating it that way (well for a while, I convinced her to try it later, and we're glad she did).

So, just saying, don't take it personally, it may not be "you" (your face), it may be "him" (his insecurity) why he's leading with/only using that position.

[–]binkerfluid 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ill be honest im not even attracted to 'stacy' because I just know I would have never had a chance. Its like when people talk about the super hot girls in shows or something thats never the one I was even remotely interested in. Its like my subconscious just knows.

[–]i-am-the-prize 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that. and maybe not the IG model vapid hot (b/c of annoying) but when you're physically close to (elevator, business meeting, social scenario) someone who is truly truly physically beautiful and not level-10 annoying, I swear to gawd, it's like the sympathetic/autonomic nervous system kicks in.... I'm not consciously saying: "she is hot" it's not my forebrain that's distracting me. It's animal. Just enjoy her. You don't have to think "i could bed/wed this woman" to appreciate her. Just try not to stare, don't be a creep.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Did you post your picture are you hot?

[–]The3liGator 6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

If they didn't only want Chad, my looks shouldn't matter.

If you are interested, we can DM. Fair warning, I am not white, and I'm 5'9"

Edit: I don't want to be identified with this account.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Well I am not shopping and 5'9 is average height. That is not shrimpcel territory.

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

goat i'm 5'8" please help me send a step stool

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Should it be stepstoolcel instead?

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no i can fuck a step stool no problem

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I actually don't have problems dating because my face more than makes up for it. I also where perfume, which helps in person. Online though women tend to disappear when they see the dreaded '5'

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

then put the height on the profile?

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

And get zero matches? How does that solve the problem?

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What good is a match that never ends in meet up. Dating (casual or otherwise) is s filtering process. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of time wasted and get even more frustrated and down

[–]The3liGator 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No matches, no dates. You can't get to step 2 if you can't get to step 1.

0 =/= very low. 0=0. None. Nada. Zilch. Bagel.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Matches that don’t want you is as good as zero matches. Maybe stop relying on Tinder.

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's easier to convince people to get over the height issue if they're already having a conversation with you.

Depending on how good you are with taking pictures, tinder might be better than real life.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Lots of women settle for non-Chads. The point is, though, that they settle. Non-Chads are never a woman's first preference in life.

[–]The3liGator 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Exactly my point. Which is why I don't think that the plight of women and men are equal.

[–]Jathrowaway97 -3 points-2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

It is equal. A lot of men settle for women as well. They also go for the best woman they can get at the time. Not necessarily the one/type they want.

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

But it's not an exclusive chase. The ugly women also get to live that life. They aren't blamed for the men's unhappiness and/or unfaithfulness.

[–]Jathrowaway97 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

What’s not an exclusive chase?

I’ve been an ugly woman and I can assure you we don’t live the same life as beautiful women.

Whether or not the woman gets blamed depends on the situation and who you ask. There was a celebrity scandal where the guy cheated on his wife with a fit woman. Men initially were blaming the wife for her husbands cheating because she gained weight. Same thing with B.Smith and her husband. Men were initially blaming her for her husbands cheating because she has Alzheimer’s. Women pushed back in both cases and stuck up for those wives eventually but those two women weren’t unscathed.

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

What’s not an exclusive chase?

Chasing for romantic/sexual purposes

I’ve been an ugly woman and I can assure you we don’t live the same life as beautiful women.

I don't think you do. I think that you have chances to sleep with somewhat attractive men, and to have a relationship with average men. This is 100x better than being an ugly man.

Whether or not the woman gets blamed depends on the situation and who you ask.

True, but popular opinion sides with women. Women are wonderful

There was a celebrity scandal where the guy cheated on his wife with a fit woman. Men initially were blaming the wife for her husbands cheating because she gained weight.

A minority of men (probably trolls), or low inhib Chads do not represent most of society. They wouldn't say it in public.

Same thing with B.Smith and her husband. Men were initially blaming her for her husbands cheating because she has Alzheimer’s.

I don't think I've ever seen that.

Women pushed back in both cases and stuck up for those wives eventually but those two women weren’t unscathed.

Source?

[–]Jathrowaway97 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Is the “exclusive chase” in reference to men or women. I’m lost on how that connects to anything I said.

It may be easier for an ugly woman to get(free) sex than an ugly man but it won’t be with attractive men and getting relationships are equally hard.

Popular opinion doesn’t side with women. Women will side with other women.

In the B.smith case and the Antoine Fuqua case a lot of those men were commenting from their accounts with a picture. You can look on Dan Gatsbys ig. B.Smiths husband. If you scroll to the very bottom of him comments you might see the initial support he was getting. If not check out Paris Milan and Chrissies videos on both issues.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Is the “exclusive chase” in reference to men or women. I’m lost on how that connects to anything I said.

Women chase attractive men exclusively.

Inb4 "well, duh"

Don't be surprised when they hate you and use you when you're older though. Don't be surprised when you can't be happy with Billy Beta. Don't be surprised that incels continue to hate women.

https://youtu.be/meiU6TxysCg

This shouldn't surprise you.

It may be easier for an ugly woman to get(free) sex than an ugly man but it won’t be with attractive men and getting relationships are equally hard.

Is having sex with non-attractive men as bad as being completely invisible/despised by the opposite sex? If you can have sex, you have an inn for the relationship. It's not guaranteed, but you've talked, shared, and liked each other enough for a very intimate excersize. Not the same difficulty as a person who can't even get a date.

Popular opinion doesn’t side with women. Women will side with other women.

Women are wonderful effect. It's why women face less jail time.

In the B.smith case and the Antoine Fuqua case a lot of those men were commenting from their accounts with a picture. You can look on Dan Gatsbys ig. B.Smiths husband. If you scroll to the very bottom of him comments you might see the initial support he was getting. If not check out Paris Milan and Chrissies videos on both issues.

You mean Facebook?

[–]Jathrowaway97 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If he has Facebook probably that too but I first saw it on it months ago. Then a couple female youtubers discussed it and their subscribers went to his page and rage spammed him.

Chase in what sense? Most men will always hate women. Even when sex was more equally distributed and men had full authority over women a bulk still hated us. We’re damned if we do damned if we don’t.

Women face less jail time because we commit less crime.

It’s the same as sentencing disparities based on race. What should actually be analyzed is why men have a higher propensity to criminality and if there’s a moral way to help them that should be implemented.

No, as someone else mentioned men are able to completely emotionally/romantically detach from sex. So you won’t have an “in” for a relationship. It’s also honestly not that great, more than likely you won’t orgasm and you face the risk of pregnancy and std even if you use protection. So these negatives balance it out imo.

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If he has Facebook probably that too but I first saw it on it months ago. Then a couple female youtubers discussed it and their subscribers went to his page and rage spammed him.

I'm still confused where all of this is taking place. The platform changes things.

Chase in what sense?

NSA sex. Sacrificing their own wants for his. Asking out. Not rejecting. Try to impress him.

Most men will always hate women.

Only because they are mistreated and lied to.

Even when sex was more equally distributed and men had full authority over women a bulk still hated us.

They didn't hate you. When you are seen as replaceable, you aren't treated as well. You can avoid that by not chasing Chad exclusively, but if wishing made it so...

We’re damned if we do damned if we don’t.

How do you know? Have you ever tried not chasing top-tier men?

Women face less jail time because we commit less crime.

The data compared similar crimes. You are so blinded by the women are wonderful effect that you can't assume that women are capable of being as evil as men.

It’s the same as sentencing disparities based on race.

You mean that black people get charged, sentenced, and jailed for longer than white people for the same crime, yet we assume it's because black people are just more criminal? I agree.

What should actually be analyzed is why men have a higher propensity to criminality and if there’s a moral way to help them that should be implemented.

First we have to know if your claim is true. Second it will show data like how men who are raised without a father are more likely to be violent than others. That would require women changing their behavior, so we will default to shrugging and saying "men are just evil."

No, as someone else mentioned men are able to completely emotionally/romantically detach from sex.

That's what they tell you. That only happens if you have so much sex that it doesn't matter to you.

So you won’t have an “in” for a relationship.

It's more of an "in" than if they don't even want to sleep with you. Again, you talk, have a mutually pleasing activity, etc. That's a lot more than being invisible.

This is equivalent to saying you don't have good food, which is just as bad as having no food at all.

It’s also honestly not that great, more than likely you won’t orgasm and you face the risk of pregnancy and std even if you use protection.

You could avoid that by not sleeping with Chad exclusively. You can only have relationship sex. However, I understand that not having sex with Chad is the equivalent of asking you to lose an arm.

So these negatives balance it out imo.

"Hey honey, I keep having sex with Chad, but honestly it's not that great. So, you don't get to feel bad about me only wanting sex with him."

[–]boomcheese44 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You are right, only Chad and a few Chad-lites matter. Are you a Chad-lite?

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Only in person. I suck at taking pictures. Also, I'm not white. Racists get scared lmao.

Are you saying you only want to date Chad's/Chad-lites?

[–]boomcheese44 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, I'm married. But for hooking up, probably would be those two options. I'm not white either and I have never really crossed a white guy I would want to fuck. Brown paper bag and darker for me.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

At least your honest. Are you black?

[–]boomcheese44 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

yah

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That last part makes sense now. You're actually the (statistically) exception among most ethnicities.

[–]Freevoulous||| -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that true, but Chad-lites are a far bigger group than most realise. A lot of "normal" guys are actually low-key Chads, they are just unassuming and discreet.

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[–]Freevoulous||| 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you fall into the same mental trap most RP guys do:

You divide men into Chads and non-Chads, where in fact there is a giant and growing % of Chad-lites, and THAT is the mechanism that is upsetting he Game lately. The rise of the Hipster guy was also the rise of a half-Chad, a guy who has just barely enough Chad-like qualities to have abundance mentality about women, but not enough to be noticeably a player. THe number of real-deal Chads had not changed since the dawn of man; it is the proliferation of easy improvement that catapulted a lot of formerly average normies into this "bastard nobility" status.

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You divide men into Chads and non-Chads, where in fact there is a giant and growing % of Chad-lites,

I'd like to see a source on that. data shows that people are having less sex, and less men are having sex then women.

I don't think that it's a clean and easily identifiable split, but the split exist.

and THAT is the mechanism that is upsetting he Game lately.

Are you saying that women are now chasing uglier men?

The rise of the Hipster guy was also the rise of a half-Chad,

Chad in a different outfit is still Chad.

<a guy who has just barely enough Chad-like qualities to have abundance mentality about women, but not enough to be noticeably a player.

"Noticeably"as the problem. You can't have an abundance mentality without also being a player. That makes you a chad.

THe number of real-deal Chads had not changed since the dawn of man; it is the proliferation of easy improvement that catapulted a lot of formerly average normies into this "bastard nobility" status.

The only change now is that women have access to higher tier Chads, and there is less social pressure to not sleep with Chad exclusively.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Speak for yourself, I exclusively chase Veronicas, Sophies, and Samanthas.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

N-Nani.?!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Usually with a butcher's knife but sometimes a hatchet.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love Halloween pranks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, sure, we will call it that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uhhhh for casual meaningless sex EVERYONE tries to punch above their weight, why the fuck wouldn’t they? It’s like hiring a chef: do you choose the classically trained one who worked at a 4 star restaurant or some schlub from the diner down the street who might be “nice?”

For meaningless sex: looks, Chad and Stacy reign supreme

For relationships: just need to be attractive enough to that person so that they desire sex from them, other attributes are just as important

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhhhh for casual meaningless sex EVERYONE tries to punch above their weight

Data disagrees. Men lower their standards, women raise them.

It’s like hiring a chef: do you choose the classically trained one who worked at a 4 star restaurant or some schlub from the diner down the street who might be “nice?”

I'm with you. No one wants the 4 star chef. Everyone wants Gordon Ramsay. Now you see the blackpill.

For meaningless sex: looks, Chad and Stacy reign supreme

Don't try to make it seem as though the sexes are equivalent in their behavior.

For relationships: just need to be attractive enough to that person so that they desire sex from them, other attributes are just as important

You can get in one, doesn't mean that people want to be with you in one. Doesn't mean you're the first choice. Doesn't mean they're not looking for better.

[–]NaturalQueer -2 points-1 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Well if I am just fucking someone then their looks matter, they don't need to be like super hot but I need to find them attractive if the point of our encounter is just sex, especially if it's like only a one or two off. They don't need to be Chris Pratt of anything super crazy but if they don't give me that feeling then why would I ? It's not about more than just sex.

If its a relationship then yeah looks and personality mix and I am looking for a more whole package. Or if it's like a friend that your doing like Friend with benefits thing personality will also matter.

[–]The3liGator 4 points5 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

That's understandable, but the problem is that a lot of men are shamed for not being there when a woman "is done having fun." And also feel bitter because they were not allowed that experience.

Imagine if your friends never invited you to parties, gaming sessions, travelling, etc. but invited you to study sessions, help with moving, weddings, etc. You would (rightfully) think that you're not a real friend, and wouldn't agree to help people.

[–]NaturalQueer -1 points0 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

You can be as upset and bitter about it as you want. And you don't have to be with anyone you don't want too, so if you think a girl has had to much sex don't date her.

And I really don't understand what your last statement has to do with anything. There are people that you might fuck but not date, and there are some people you wouldn't do either and some that maybe over time you would find attractive but when your just looking for a quick fuck they don't catch your eye. What does that have to with bad friends?

[–]The3liGator 2 points3 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

You can be as upset and bitter about it as you want. And you don't have to be with anyone you don't want too, so if you think a girl has had to much sex don't date her.

I agree, but, in my experience, that's not socially acceptable to say.

There are people that you might fuck but not date

Yes, and there is a certain type of man that all women want to fuck, and you have to at least be fuckable to be dateable.

and there are some people you wouldn't do either and some that maybe over time you would find attractive but when your just looking for a quick fuck they don't catch your eye.

You are telling your future husband that he has more hoops to jump through to get the same thing that is easily handed out to others.

https://youtu.be/meiU6TxysCg

This is a natural reaction.

What does that have to with bad friends?

Extend the dating behavior to friendship behavior. You would rightfully assume that those people don't actually want to be friends. You would rightfully assume that those women still want Chad.

[–]Jathrowaway97 -1 points0 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

No, most would assume that they’ve correctly clocked their character. For me personally I’m not a partier or gamer so if my friends excluded me from those activities but invited me to others I’d just assume that they picked up on the fact that I’m a wallflower. Similar thing here.

It’s not socially acceptable to say because it makes you sound insecure. It’s just like how it’s not socially acceptable for women to be bluntly honest when rejecting men or explaining their preferences.

[–]The3liGator 2 points3 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I’d just assume that they picked up on the fact that I’m a wallflower.

I'm saying that you were never asked. They never invited you to fun stuff. They only invited you for real work.

It’s not socially acceptable to say because it makes you sound insecure.

Cool motive. Doesn't change the fact that it's socially unacceptable.

Also, let's not assume that it's still not viewed as a flaw in moral character. People use 'insecure' to insult the men they view as bad because insults are socially acceptable when used against 'bad' people.

It’s just like how it’s not socially acceptable for women to be bluntly honest when rejecting men or explaining their preferences.

Pfft. What world do you live in? "6' minimum" is a meme for a reason. Anyone pointing that out is immediately called an incel.

[–]Jathrowaway97 -2 points-1 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Weddings and study sessions aren’t work. Those can be fun. I honestly wouldn’t be upset since I’m not an extrovert

There’s a good reason though, “negative” character traits are never viewed as socially acceptable irrespective of gender. There’s no reason you can’t just quietly do what you feel you need to.

I live on planet earth. Those women are often called shallow at best and evil slutty femoids at worst for that preference. They either face it unashamed or they virtue signal and indulge in their preference under the quiet. It’s not “socially acceptable” though.

[–]The3liGator 2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Weddings and study sessions aren’t work.

One is a formality, and the other is definitely work.

Those can be fun.

Can be fun doesn't mean is fun. It also doesn't change the fact that you only get to experience a very specific kind of fun whether you want it or not.

I honestly wouldn’t be upset since I’m not an extrovert

Being such an introvert that you don't like being invited to events or gatherings, and prefer people only talk to you for work or formalities is extremely rare. Just like there are people who are into cuckolding. They are rare, and most people don't even want to be them.

There’s a good reason though, “negative” character traits are never viewed as socially acceptable irrespective of gender.

Yes, but we apply them differently based on gender.

There’s no reason you can’t just quietly do what you feel you need to.

You have to lie. It's also pretty hard to explain why you stopped talking to the person as soon as they said they slept with 10 people, or you found out they slept with a person you feel they shouldn't have.

I live on planet earth. Those women are often called shallow at best and evil slutty femoids at worst for that preference.

The incelosphere and pop culture are pretty exclusive. Nobody says "femoids" irl.

They either face it unashamed or they virtue signal and indulge in their preference under the quiet.

Most men don't get into indulge their preferences. They accept what they can get.

[–]boardgaming234Rollo Is My God 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I legit don’t know why you have beef with this girl. Do you just have beef with the world in general? Do you just not have an outlet for this sort of shit?

Listen up man. There’s actually a lot of research on this topic, and it’s pretty clear that physical attraction is what starts any sort of interaction between people. It’s consistent with other studies that found how many marriages end in divorce and how many relationships end. And yes it can defiantly be argued that we can put more of the blame of women because they just go for tingles instead of actual personality. But I’m just trying to point out that you actually have a voice. No need to be so combative about this sort of stuff you can consult real clinical psychologists and the research literature. You’re not dropping knowledge on people or becoming more enlightened by surrounding yourself in shit that makes you depressed or question yourself and everything you hold dear. You’re just mentally masturbating at that point.

Is your problem with chads? Because if you haven’t tried to make yourself more attractive then you can’t say shit about it. How can you judge the best you when you haven’t even become the best you? Logically just makes no sense. I’m 5’8 Asian dude and I thought I’ll never have fun with women until I started working out. Shit works bro, and it’s dumb easy. Easier than having to talk to random internet strangers about how shit everything is I guarantee you that.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I legit don’t know why you have beef with this girl.

I'm debating.

Do you just have beef with the world in general?

The world in general, some people more than others.

Do you just not have an outlet for this sort of shit?

This isn't my outlet. This is the place I come to hoping people prove me wrong. If not, then I hope for social change. Or, at least men realizing that they have been lied to.

Listen up man. There’s actually a lot of research on this topic, and it’s pretty clear that physical attraction is what starts any sort of interaction between people. It’s consistent with other studies that found how many marriages end in divorce and how many relationships end.

So, the black pill? Personality doesn't matter nearly as much as we say it does?

And yes it can defiantly be argued that we can put more of the blame of women because they just go for tingles instead of actual personality. But I’m just trying to point out that you actually have a voice.

I have a voice and the choice. Most men don't have the latter. being able to ask for better treatment is not the same getting better treatment. You don't need to be homeless to empathize with the homeless.

No need to be so combative about this sort of stuff you can consult real clinical psychologists and the research literature.

I have literally not seen any research that proves me wrong.

You’re not dropping knowledge on people or becoming more enlightened by surrounding yourself in shit that makes you depressed or question yourself and everything you hold dear. You’re just mentally masturbating at that point.

You'd be surprised. Incel ideology is spreading, and is becoming more mainstream. People don't call themselves incels, but people are accepting their truths.

Is your problem with chads?

My problem is the unfairness in the world, and how in this case especially, we complain of the effect, but we refuse to help those we view as less fortunate.

Because if you haven’t tried to make yourself more attractive then you can’t say shit about it.

I have achieved my gym goals a year ago. I take good care of my hair and skin, I dress well. I still can't have a better face, he taller, or more white, no matter how hard I try. For some men it's worse. It's the equivalent of asking poor people why they don't make more money.

How can you judge the best you when you haven’t even become the best you?

This is a statement used to avoid the fact that some people will inherently be less successful. You can see the faults in this kind of thinking when you realize that people can constantly improve, and therefore no man can be good enough. There's always one more thing they can do.

Logically just makes no sense.

It's does, you don't have to be even try to besocially successful to realize the problems in society.

I’m 5’8 Asian dude and I thought I’ll never have fun with women until I started working out.

How much money do you make? What's your n count? And can we get a profile picture?

Shit works bro, and it’s dumb easy.

I just went to college and now I'm rich. It's works, you're only poor because you complained instead of trying to improve yourself.

Easier than having to talk to random internet strangers about how shit everything is I guarantee you that.

I can do more than one thing in my life. Imagine that.

[–]Jathrowaway97 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

We weren’t discussing whether or not they can indulge we were discussing how they should go about doing so if they do. Like women you’ll either have to face the backlash or virtue signal. At this point there don’t seem to be any other issues. If you’re upset that a girl slept with over 10 people just give it some time and say you’re not compatible. Just be vague.

Weddings aren’t work in my eyes. Those are always fun. Study groups can go either way and it depends on if I’m the one tutoring or not. I don’t see how this is akin to cuckoldry. I don’t like partying so I wouldn’t be offended not being invited to that. A better analogy would be if you did intovert geared activities. A lot of women still love their boyfriends and have mutual fun with them, it’s just not the “Wild” kind.

Incels terminology is slowly becoming mainstream and there’s a reason I said “at worst” most people call women like that shallow b*tches/sluts. So as a woman with the preference you have to either not care about the backlash or refrain from verbalizing your preference.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Like women you’ll either have to face the backlash or virtue signal.

You don't see lowering standards as an option?

f you’re upset that a girl slept with over 10 people just give it some time and say you’re not compatible.

How much time? I should still waste time and money talking to her, and going out with her?

Weddings aren’t work in my eyes. Those are always fun. Study groups can go either way and it depends on if I’m the one tutoring or not. I don’t see how this is akin to cuckoldry.

It's akin to cuckoldry because most people aren't into only having access to one kind of treatment. Most people want to at least be invited to those other things. Most people want to have some kind of informal fun.

Saying "I only like being invited to weddings and study groups. I don't need to go to the movies with them, or travel with them, etc. even if they do that with other people" Is similar to saying "I only enjoy inviting my wife to dinner and watching movies with her. I don't need to have sex with her even if I know she only enjoys doing it with other men (and she does)." Those two sentiments exist, but are so rare, most people would take that kind of behavior as an insult and don't want that kind of treatment.

If cuckoldry doesn't work, think asexuality.

I don’t like partying so I wouldn’t be offended not being invited to that. A better analogy would be if you did intovert geared activities.

I can't think of any, so replace this events with examples of your own.

A lot of women still love their boyfriends and have mutual fun with them, it’s just not the “Wild” kind.

Exactly, whether the guy she settles with wants to have that excitement of not, it is not on the table. That level of unbridled passion is not there for him, just for Chad. Chad gets both kinds of fun, Beta Billy just gets one.

If you're into that, good for you. Most men aren't.

So as a woman with the preference you have to either not care about the backlash or refrain from verbalizing your preference.

Why do you so strongly believe that you cannot change your preferences?

[–]Freevoulous||| -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

certain type of man that

all

women want to fuck

physically? No. The closest to an universal Chad like this is a guy who is extremely confident and has extreme emotional intelligence, so that he can manipulate any woman. Looks have little to do with it, except as a confidence booster.

[–]The3liGator 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

physically? No.

Poor Jeremy Meeks. Most women don't agree that he's attractive.

The closest to an universal Chad like this is a guy who is extremely confident and has extreme emotional intelligence,

Women often confuse good looks for confidence and "personality.

so that he can manipulate any woman.

Was Jeremy Meeks such an emotional genius that he manipulated so much money out of so many women using nothing but his face?

Looks have little to do with it, except as a confidence booster.

So, you do have to be good-looking? if you're ugly enough, you won't be confident then, even if we ignore people's confusion of the two?

[–]megasupreme 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tbh if your experiences have been related to race (a valid complaint since you can't change that) then you're dealing with a different set of issues compared to the typical mgtow user.

[–]The3liGator 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of MGTOWs and incels are ethnicities. r/braincels had a poll that showed that half the users were non-white.

A lot of "not-racist" women have very strong racial preferences.

[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Every man AND every woman will drop everything to fuck a 9/10.

How has this ever been construed as a primarily gendered phenomenon

[–]baginbox 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, that 9/10 SMV only matters if their personality is at least somewhat compatible with mine. Why the hell would you want to fuck a 9+/10 with a nasty personality, if you have some respect for yourself?

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, that 9/10 SMV only matters if their personality is at least somewhat compatible with mine. Why the hell would you want to fuck a 9+/10 with a nasty personality, if you have some respect for yourself?

standards for what's a good personality is change depending on how attractive the person is. That's just science.

Also, what people say and do are very different things.

[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, I agree, but I'm talking about "people".

[–]baginbox 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who are "people"?

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Every man AND every woman will drop everything to fuck a 9/10.

Not in my experience. My family is filled with good-looking men, and they've had opportunities to be unfaithful with much more attractive women than their wives.

This is what we call projection.

How has this ever been construed as a primarily gendered phenomenon

Women have more chances to sleep with attractive man than vice versa. What an attractive men do for any pussy, is the equivalent of what women do for Chad dick only.

[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not in my experience. My family is filled with good-looking men, and they've had opportunities to be unfaithful with much more attractive women than their wives.

Who the hell said anything about cheating

Women have more chances to sleep with attractive man than vice versa. What an attractive men do for any pussy, is the equivalent of what women do for Chad dick only.

I wasn't talking about scarcity.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who the hell said anything about cheating

They're still married. Only one got a divorce after several years. Not because he wanted something else.

I don't trust women to do the same.

I wasn't talking about scarcity.

I am. Scarcity, or perceived scarcity is what drives dating behavior.

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