I see why youare ridiculing mgtows and I would somewhat agree with what you saying however I still think that the concept of mgtow is necessary and important, and should be embraced by many more man and can have negetative consequences maybe not in the way portayed by r/wherehaveallthegoodmengone .

*the necessity of mgtow *

1. Coping incels. There are some men who are undesirable . No matter what they do they aren't going to atttract anybody . Accepting this as your reality can be painful and if you have to lie to your self and claim you are the one who is rejecting woman then whatever helps sleep at night

2. its better to be alone than be with the wrong person . A lot of men jump from 1 relationship to another because " its what you are supposed do" even if these relationships make them unhappy or are more trouble than they are worth

3. Understanding woman and why you keep losing. Most peope arent told what to do in a relationship or what expect , and are often going in blind hoping it works out .the sidebar which is A redpill guideline can help you understand what you did wrong and weather you decide to improve oe give up is up to you but atleast you understand why you keep failing .

4.its bettter to be a single guy who spends his money on expensive toys/hookers , than to betabux. If you betabux a woman will stick around long enough to be garanteed your money by the courts and you will stuck paying child support /alimony . You will be as broke you were at 19 but with added chain of knowing that you are now owe a great debt to somebody else who swindled you and if you ever fail to make these payments ,you will be go to jail .

*The societal effects of mgtow *

1. Most Woman no longer have to worry about being hit on by undesirable men .

2. Below average women who would be happy with a below average men will be left be single a lot longer since they looks match checked out completely

3. A lot more single mothers remaining single . Alot of betabux are stepdads , who raise someone else's kids as their own .

4. Attractive enough man who could get a woman staying completely out of the game because they mgtow to early and took it too literally .

5. Higher suicide rate for men . Loneliness kills and when men are outside of a relationship find it harder to form friendships (woman don't have this problem. ) .

6. Slowing economy . Betabux tend to be rolling in $$$ if they aren't married or having kids they aee likely to save it. Or retire early .

7. More destructive behavior by men who feel like they have no skin in the game. America is an individualistic society that has lost the meaning of community. So those who feel isolated will wother commit suicide or cause much damage as possible . You see these in the increase in mass shootings and the higher suicide rate . That only seems to be going up each year .

Back to your post kirk was a loser and his wife ledt him because he was 1 . Mgtow encourages self improvement and if you followed you wouldn't end like him the 1st place .