Blue Pill ExampleBeta is PISSED at me for "stealing" the girl he's been "working on" for months (self.TheRedPill)

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So, there's a beta on my dorm floor who I'm going to call Noah. Noah is the epitome of a "nice guy": bending over backwards for a girl I'm going to call Lauren. He helped Lauren move her stuff back into her room at the start of the new semester (she didn't do the same when he asked), helps her on homework and essays, and even massages her feet for God's sake. He's still in the mentality that women can be won over with favors, and I've tried explaining to him that she only sees him as an errand boy. He replied with "I think I just need to work on it a little more, then I'll ask her out." He did end up asking Lauren out, and it ended up exactly how I expected: with a "lets be friends" conversation. Last month, there was a dance at our university. I offered to escort Lauren to the dance. Long story short, we ended up making out on the dance floor and I ended up smashing her when we got back to the dorms. Now, we're in an LTR and very happy together. However, Noah is pissed off at me for "undoing" all of his "work". He confronted me the other day for a "bro to bro" talk, and I knew it wouldn't end well. He told me that he's really upset at me for "breaking up" his and Lauren's "relationship" and ruining his chances at being a couple. I told him that he needed to move on, and he wouldn't have any of it. He told me that I'm the type of "asshole" that he was worried he would run into in college. Yes, I'm an asshole for stealing the one and only girl in the whole school that was right for him. Noah is an example of how quickly the "nice guy" facade shatters when reality comes crashing down on them. They're nice until they realize how all of their "favors" have only caused the women around them to see them as doormats to be walked over, not as potential partners. I hope that Noah can realize how wrong he was about women and learn from his mistake, but Betas have a way of denying all logic and reality in favor of their fantasy land where women are RPG quest givers who have the reward of sex waiting for their "champion".

[–][deleted] 342 points343 points  (23 children)

Sounds like he's a White Knight as well OP, I would be very careful about what you do around the people in your friendship circle, because he will fuck up your LTR in a heartbeat if he has the means to do so. White Knight Hamster yo.

[–][deleted] 121 points122 points  (12 children)

Cannot be emphasised enough. This guy will come back to haunt you any which way, in between bouts of writing awful poetry and concocting revenge fantasies in his head.

[–]FasCap 39 points39 points [recovered]

Shit, when Lauren burns out of this and trash talks OP because she misses him, this guy could be dangerous. He fantasizes about white knighting, could you imagine how unhinged he would become if she made a false rape accusations and made his dream a possibility?

[–]vicious_armbar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, luckily most white knights are usually pussies though.

[–]UnclePuma 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Hey! I thought my poetry was pretty good in high school.

Oh my god... my face when I realized I literally wrote over a dozen poems for some chick describes her "amazing beauty", etc.

So uh hey, remember those poems I wrote ya? Where they at? Oh... um at the bottom of my backpack along with pencil shavings, eraser bits, and other misc crap.

Once a friend of friend said to me so how'd the whole poetry thing work out didn't you write her like a book?

Why yes, yes I did. But it was all for naught.

Honestly I blame English for teaching me about romeo and juliet and the illusion of "turd love" i mean true love and the one, I mean the cunt.

While it pains me to admit that something I had done out of pure infatuation was a mistake, it was. The endless hours I toiled over rhymes and writing along with the suffering I put myself through all in some vain attempt to prove myself.

To prove "I" was worth it, when in the end for all the effort I put in she wasn't worth it.

"People lie and say they do not want to eat grapes only when they can't reach the vines" ...

But really the suffering wasn't worth the outcome.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

What about the revenge fantasies?

[–]UnclePuma 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh and to answer your question, fantasizing about making someone hurt as much as they emotionally hurt you isn't healthy. It simply another form of infatuation, they still remain at the center of your 'universe' dictating the depression you feel, cultivating this sense of desperation at your inability to change things, and so you comb your mind for some tidbit of information that could have changed things, and you pine and pine and begin to compare everyone to a fantasy...

Depression leads to sadness, sadness leads to a sense of victimized hurt, hurting leads to anger, anger may drive you to seek revenge.

But all the time it is you who is suffering, her? ha, she stopped thinking about you a long time ago, and you'd do well to do the same and take the time to heal and move on.

Take your licks and learn from them but don't let them twist you into a gnarled and bitter person.

[–]UnclePuma 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ironically, my revenge (if you could call it that but I won't) came in the form of sweet irony.

The poems I wrote for my 'fantasy girl' went to waste yes, but her best friend (whom I hadn't tried to get with) was often used as her confidant so she was aware of my poetry and my intentions.

Over time my 'fantasy girl's' best friend fell in love with me indirectly though the attention I had paid her friend eventually declaring herself to me.

It was fucking awesome, yo her friend was so hot. We ended up dating for a really long time and...

in this case my poetry did in fact make a girl fall in with me just not the one I wrote them for hahaha, such is Love.

[–]CaptainIncredible 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well there you have it. You showered FantasyGirl with poems, and showed zero affection towards FantasygirlsFriend.

FantasyGirl poo pooed your attention, but told FantasygirlsFriend all about it - probably to make herself feel awesome. "Guys love me? See?"

FantasygirlsFriend is jealous. Why isn't she the one you show attention to? What's wrong with me? I'll bet I can win UnclePuma and make FantasyGirl jealous.

So it probably went one of two ways:

FantasygirlsFriend hooked up with you, demonstrated that she could do it, showed FantasyGirl that she was victorious, and then lost interest in you.

Or when you and FantasygirlsFriend started dating, lots of the BS dropped and things went well.

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[–]CyberFi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm in the same situation, I am aware that he's already in the midst of sabotaging my LTR, however the girlfriend is no priority of time. Do you think it is possible to use this 'relationship' between me and him to my advantage?

[–]Mechbiscuit 12 points12 points [recovered]

Definitely agree, be wary OP.

The worst thing is, Noah will fuck up your relationship and think he's being kind, nice and "doing the right thing".

Whenever you start to take power from someone else, whether it's intentional, accidental, "just being yourself", getting a promotion, talking to a girl they like, they will put you on their hit-list for it because you are unintentionally pointing out their shortcomings. They will use you as an emotional scapegoat because they can't do what you're doing. They're afraid - of themselves, of how it might make them feel, afraid to being vulnerable. They are cowards.

You can't move through life by apologising to these people who stay in their safe zones and are afraid to ruffle anyone's feathers. You have to try to be outgoing and try to move forward in your life.

If it comes down to it, you should be civil, OP, but don't be afraid to tell Noah to go fuck himself. He already hates you anyway.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's not even that. Noah wouldn't try to do it because he believes he's doing the right thing, but we've just been shown that he broke the facadé for the moment and that he's actually beta. He'll do it purely because he's irrational, insensitive and lusty with one-itis.

He would do it purely for the sake of playing the protagonist in a movie where "good overcomes evil" OP is the "evil." and putting himself in a "better" position to get the girl. Although, I agree with your next statements. What Noah will fight tooth and nail for is his self-image. That's why he's acting a nice-guy, because clearly he's a better match for his one-true love.

Definitely what this guy said. Be civil, but at the same time don't be overly dominant, because if you do it MAY turn back on you, he's just a helpless little lamb (nice guy.)

[–]DrinksCrystalKush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude, i fucking hate white knights. bunch of losers

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what's interesting?

Girls can trust other girls who cheat. Let's say a girl cheats and tells her friend. That friend will not tell anyone.

If you're a guy, you have to be careful which friends you share that information with. The BP will tell the girl in order to win her favor.

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (2 children)

There is a type of lady who will reward you with sex when you give her things, it's a magical unicorn called a prostitute.

[–]1xwm 8 points9 points  (1 child)

But unicorns are hard to find. Drive down to the local red roof inn and you'll see dozens of them magic though they be. We need a better mythological name for them.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 202 points203 points  (34 children)

If it takes you months to win a girl around, you're not "working on" shit. You're wasting your time. And she'll be all too happy to exploit you. She was extracting maximum commitment whilst giving him no sex. For all intents and purposes, he was the male equivalent of a plate: a beta orbiter. She strung him along. Now he's mad he's been rejected he's taking out his frustrations on the guy she did actually want. This is what plugged in guys don't understand: women choose who they fuck. Men compete for breeding rights with women, and women pick whoever they perceive to be the best man they can get. That's hypergamy in dating. If she chose the other guy instead of you, that's not his fault. He was better than you, or at least, for some hamsterific reason, she at least thought he was. Hopefully her evaluation was lucid, but if it wasn't there's fuck all any of us can do about it. You can't negotiate attraction. You just have to get on with your shit. Of course as in all things: may the best man win.

[–]EarnestMalware 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You can't negotiate attraction.

Fucking exactly. This is why, really, if you see someone and you want them, make it apparent immediately. Why fucking beat around the bush? If she knows immediately that you're interested, she can make her choice. If she says no, you avoid the fucking pathetic bitter resentment because you invested nothing. So fucking give her eyes immediately. Touch her ASAP. Fucking wink, smile, whisper in her ear, ANYTHING. She will sort you as a potential fuck that way. If you play nice, she will sort you as a friend.

[–]the99percent1 48 points49 points  (16 children)

if only I knew what I do now at age 20... where the fuck did my time go to..

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 72 points73 points  (5 children)

where the fuck did my time go to..

It's never too late. Act now. Otherwise at 50 you'll be saying "if I'd started at 40, I could rest a little bit more now." The younger the better, but it's never too late. Ever. Defeat is for losers. Don't accept it for a second.

[–]the99percent1 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I know.. Still in my 20s and I'm in a good place right now physically, mentally & wealthy.

That being said, the 20 year old me was one of frustration and angst. Broke free of BP thinking, and havent looked back since.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 36 points37 points  (0 children)

If you keep your shit together mentally you'll lead a good life. Don't forget to laugh and have fun from time-to-time, too much grinding wears on the soul.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

The younger the better, but it's never too late.

Something something "The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago, the second best time is now"

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm 35 today. Where's me shovel...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's sitting right next to your motivation.

[–]LyricBaritone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lmfao, you're 20 dude. Plenty of time to make plays.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I'm 22 and been more or less unplugged for a year. Honestly, it's not as great as it sounds. I'm good looking and fairly intellectual but I'm also not rich, don't have much status and the sole fact of having enough perspective to confront reality makes it a bit harder to make casual friendships with regular people.

The great thing is that I'm working on myself, career, body, intellect, wit/social and I know down the long run life will be great and already I am far far ahead of 99% of people my age in terms of my quality of thought and being.

But unless you're a frat boy dude or have good status, daddy money, or ridiculous looks, you won't be on top of the cock carousel. Women are just too grossly overvalued at this stage in life and they see men like me and think they can do better (which they really can't, but some horny frat boyo will fuck her for a night or two and she'll think she's a 9 or 10).

Then again, I haven't really lowered my standards to adjust for this female behavior, but honestly with all of the things I'm working on right now, I barely have any time to game women.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (1 child)

unplugged for a year. Honestly, it's not as great as it sounds.

What's the alternative? Plug back in? It's not like being blue pill will get you the happily ever after. All it gets you is a delusion that you can get a girlfriend and life will be perfect. Until you get royally fucked over.

Being RP doesn't make you alpha - it makes you aware.

You're 22 - it's not that hard. You don't need money. You can make up your own status level. You're super fit at that age. Endless energy. Probably lots of time. Look awesome, go out, hit up chicks. I got girlfriends at your age with full BP insanity going through my head, spots, stupid hair, no dress sense, slightly overweight, no charisma, no car, no money, no muscles and social awareness that bordered on autism. Quit your bitching and make your life work already.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching at all; I'm just saying it's not all it's chalked up to be.

I really re-evaluated my life last year. I'm back on college on a very solid STEM degree, working part-time and usually hitting the gym. Don't really have time for much else and whenever I do I read and go out/have fun/get smashed/try to pick up girls.

That being said. I'm a total stranger over here and haven't had time to socialize and really meet people. I'm thinking of dropping my part-time next semester so I can work on some projects related to my degree and socialize/hit up girls far more.

No doubt I can get girls, but over here, unless you're frat boy mcfratcock, day game is best suited for men who are climbing the SMV ladder.

[–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Haha discovered this place at 20. Lucky me but women like older dudes more so you got that going for you.

[–]gg_s 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Women like older dudes because older dudes are more likely to have their shit together, not because older dudes are older. If you are an older dude with his shit together (or a convincing fake), you'll do fine. If you are a bum loser at 30, you're almost worse off than a bum loser at 20.

[–]foldpak111 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In a party setting, you should be banging her the night you met. In a non party setting, it's normal for her not to give it up for a while. But here's the twist for all you beta males; by while I mean a week. It's a very strange place beta males reside, almost like a social limbo.

[–]2Overkillengine 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hopefully her evaluation was lucid, but if it wasn't there's fuck all any of us can do about it.

This is the harsh lesson boys need to be taught early before they get trained into becoming White Knights- women are human and will make human (read:stupid) choices on a regular basis.

Ever try to argue with a religious fundamentalist? You'll make about the same headway trying to reason against a woman's feels/vagina tingles. Don't bother.

[–]RealRational 1 point2 points  (0 children)

for some hamsterific reason, she at least thought he was.

haha, hamsterific, I like that, taking it.

[–]Cryocasm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

may the best man win.

it's mindboggling to me how many men can't fucking understand this. I say it very often and many male-hamsters will immediately try justifying against it.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I say it very often and many male-hamsters will immediately try justifying against it.

Men who don't compete don't want you to either. Feminine mental model: the crab bucket mentality.

[–]CyberFi 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I asked this question before but I find you're probably the correct person to answer this; on the subject of the inevitable 'pissed off white knights/beta orbiter(s)' that spawn when you court a woman they've been 'working on'.

How could you proceed to use this secretive hatred for you and their quest to sabotage your relationship to your advantage? Speaking strictly from a perspective of power acquisition.

I understand viewing 'butt-hurt betas' as nothing more than nonthreatening is a foolish response, especially if (hypothetically) they spur from a position of power, but I fear that 'toying' with them whist being aware of their true intentions is just feeding the flame that may or may not eventually consume me.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 7 points8 points  (7 children)

If the beta has little social power you can just mock the shit out of him. If he has significant social power then hold frame, amused mastery, let him invest more energy into interactions than you. Ignore him a lot. You could opt for the "I think you're a cool dude approach" and try to befriend him, but it almost always fails because they're bitter as shit and are carrying a negative energy. Why is your girl forcing you to spend time with her beta orbiter(s)? Sounds like she may want you to "fight for her," that bullshit is annoying and histrionic and personally bitches who keep putting me in those kind of situations are getting dumped.

[–]CyberFi 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Thank you for your response.

You may have misunderstood my situation and intentions. I'm not being 'forced' to spend time with this woman's orbiters, the girl is of no theoretical necessity to me as my main priority is my social status in this circle. Which, unfortunately, is slowly being corroded by the apparently large influence of her orbiters, thus to answer your questions the betas do indeed have a large social power than me (I admit this is due to their wealth).

I would like to elaborate but I don't wish to waste your time any further. What I'd like to know is if there's a method I can apply where I can have my cake and eat it too. In this particular situation, the orbiters pose a larger threat to my goals/relationship/ and status than in most cases where they typically play the part of errand boys. There's really no other way to 'dominate' the social group when a third of the entourage is after me.

It's no secret to me that these guys want me gone, the girl is the only rope I am clinging to, her ''best friends'' are trying to cut it, excuse the crappy metaphor.

Please note I understand this situation is a little off-topic from the general TRP subject. However seeing that you're very knowledgeable on the subject and methods of Machiavelli I may perhaps find a solution.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You may have misunderstood my situation and intentions. I'm not being 'forced' to spend time with this woman's orbiters, the girl is of no theoretical necessity to me as my main priority is my social status in this circle.

I see, okay. Well the vaguer you are, the less calibrated my advice is going to be. Getting the jist of things here it sounds like you're using a girl to get access to a social strata you normally wouldn't, eg: she's your preselection/gatekeeper to the social circle. You're actually seeking tailored advice without being explicit about your situation by trying to link it into this TRP thread, which it is only somewhat loosely associated to.

She's not the problem, but "her friends" don't like you and you want "her friends" to like you because there's a lot of power in that social circle. Men are instinctually protective of women, especially ones who are high SMV/they want to fuck, so they want to see you're not co-opting her and that you have value in and of yourself. Men don't really trust women's judgement, especially when it comes to other men so they want to evaluate you for themselves. Effectively, if you don't get their approval, you will split the social group up. She will either be forced to choose between you or them, and unless your game is tight she will probably pick them.

That's essentially fuck all to do with beta orbiters (even though there could be jealousy components, as is inevitable when dealing with any kind of person) and more to do with making people like you. If they have wealth you can't impress them with wealth. Rightly, the girl is just "the IN" to the group, you can't rely on her defence of your reputation forever "he's a great guy you guys just need to get to know him!" your reputation needs to speak for itself. I'd assume you have failed to establish an independently respectable reputation and it's her introduction which is losing it's power in giving you whatever iota of social proof you have within that group.

You're fighting an uphill battle when they immediately don't like you. Don't be needy or validation seeking. Assume the position of the joker. You need to add value, you can't give them anything they can't get materially speaking, but there is value to be found in "being the funny guy." The thing is, there's a difference between being the dancing monkey who nobody respects and the joker that everybody does. A dancing monkey tries too hard, it is evident he wants everyone to notice his jokes and that's he insecure and gives too many fucks. A joker is a darker type of comedian.

You will make crass jokes, do crazy shit, bring attention to yourself and come under fire for your "outrageousness." When you are insulted/called out for "being crazy" (shit test) you will make them laugh with your responses whilst holding frame rather than getting on the defence. They need to see you're not a threat, that you're likeable, but also that you add value. Think of the loveable asshole archetype. Kind of crazy, doesn't back down, but gets away with his shenanigans because when he's called out he makes his enemy laugh and in turn, love him. It's soft-power/pleasurable manipulation. You won't achieve what you seek to with force, so charm/humour is the key. You can even lightly insult them if you make it obvious you're jokingly teasing. Be careful with serious hard-to-gauge if he's serious or not humour, it requires a certain level of comfort to pull off. If they don't like you, you have not built up that level of comfort.

Knowledge is only part of the battle, being able to perform will make or break the situation - and that's on you.

TLDR: charm + idgaf.

[–]CyberFi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wow. I must admit, you made an impressive spot-on deduction of my predicament. I find it somewhat foolish that I didn't include more information in my previous post, but we're on the same page.

I appreciate the advice. To be honest, I've always played the part of the 'joker' when I'm out to a social setting, and over the years managed to formulate a persona being the 'cocky asshole' due to a combination of red-pill knowledge, idgaf attitude, and a lot of physical and mental re-calibrations. However I felt that perhaps in this setting I may need to dial-it-down slightly as I presumed I had to thread lightly in this scenario, since if I go out of bounds would result in leaving more evidence for the orbiters to use, and the ramifications could be more unwelcoming. This may be my mistake.

I'll do my best to introduce the lovable asshole archetype and win over the general population without turning into the ''dancing monkey''

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

However I felt that perhaps in this setting I may need to dial-it-down slightly as I presumed I had to thread lightly in this scenario

Classic mistake. You can do whatever you like if you can control the narrative afterwards, women know this instinctually. It's all a matter of confidence. "Yeah, I'm an asshole, but that's why you love me." "He's just jealous he hasn't got the balls to do the shit I do." You can shit test them, make 'em act out of emotion "prove they do have balls" blah blah blah. It becomes about their masculinity instead of your actions. Classic diversion, slip n' slide.

without turning into the ''dancing monkey''

Don't let them control the frame. If they ask you to "do that funny thing you do" you're being the dancing monkey. On your terms.

[–]Philhelm 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why do you care about your social status within her circle to begin with?

[–]CyberFi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This particular social circle is of high status. I'm not in it for the sex.

[–]Philhelm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you're fucking a woman to get into a higher status group...?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This intersects with the oft-quoted "fact" that women know who they want to fuck or not as soon as they meet someone. I would say that's partially true.

Women will go from zero to naked very quickly with men that turn them on.

If she's waiting any length of time....she's just holding out hope that maybe you'll do something that makes her lady parts quivver. This quickly turns into "I'm not going to fuck this guy" and commences the days/weeks/months/years of getting whatever she can from yet another orbiter.

But I agree....if its taking much time, you aren't attracting her at all.

[–]UniversityofToronto 48 points48 points [recovered]

Classic. If you like a girl, any blue piller will tell you:

  • become best friends with her
  • be kind and nice, do lots of favours
  • give her gifts!
  • girls love massages, offer those!
  • listen to her and all of her problems

When in reality, getting a girl is a lot simpler. Work on you, not her.

[–]BrunoOh 14 points15 points  (4 children)

That's what my mom says! Get to know the girl for six months before you make a move. Also, remember to want to make her happy, be sensitive and be a listener. All the while slamming my (wall-hitting) niece's boyfriend for a pussy. He looks like a smurf and does exactly that.

Makes me lose respect for my mother. AWALT. For what it's worth, I never believed that shit. To be honest, I had better things to do even then.

[–]SwissPablo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My mother was the opposite. When I was a young man and told about some girl I liked having a boyfriend she'd say "why should that stop you? If you're better than him it won't matter". But I was such a pussy in my 20s I didn't want to break up a "good relationship" - idiot.

[–]razor5151 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn't it amazing how old women are naturally red pill? My mother once told me-"Remember, no woman respects a man who keeps following her all the time. Make your life the best you can, and then women will compete among themselves to be with you."

Her words didn't make sense at that time, as I was still plugged in and blinded by all the mainstream dating advice, such as "women love the chase" or "Women love a man who can make them feel special" bullshit.

Thankfully my eyes have been opened, after swallowing TRP.

[–][deleted] 192 points193 points  (13 children)

Tell Lauren you're sorry and had no idea her and whatshisfuck were dating....then sit back and enjoy the show as she chews his ass out.

[–]bestofbackpage 49 points50 points  (1 child)

holy shit. Haha, I'd love to be a fly on the wall

[–]self_made_guy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lol ! I want a field report on this ASAP !

[–]Just_Call_Me_Cactus 20 points21 points  (6 children)

That's brilliant, sounds like Lauren could use a bit of messing with as well.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (5 children)

She's accepting foot rubs and all manners of favor from this guy? Yeah, she allows orbiters. She's likely not LTR material.

[–]RedditArgument 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Would you mind explaining why this is? I've never thought of prior orbiter acceptance as an issue before. Just assumed it's something women did if they could.

[–]AndrewAtrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It means unlimited validation on tap, which results in serious damage to her personality and ability to take responsibility for her actions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There might be some split opinions on this on TRP, but if a girl I'm considering dating has orbiters, it's something she WILL hold over your head in a disagreement. There are precisely 0 upsides for you as the guy, and a ton of downsides. So it's a serious red flag.

[–]BrunoOh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Good for plates, I heard. You do the fucking, leave the orbiters for laughs and her emotional maintenance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can blow up in your face though. Makes her think she has too many options.

[–]writewhereileftoff 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Meh, don't put salt in the wound man. No point. Be careful because he probably hates you now. You could still manipulate him trough that girl though. That could be interesting. Just watch your back with this.

[–]hamsterbator 7 points8 points  (0 children)

it would be useful for OP to strike first against beta boy, who will no doubt try to white knight and undermine OP at first opportunity.

Any shit he talks will be seen through creeper mode lenses.

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Could help to give the beta closure if it leads to her finally rejecting him outright. Then... maybe he can move on to his next 'target' and start doing shit for her for the next six months.

[–]DaNiceguy 75 points75 points [recovered]

Noah is an example of how quickly the "nice guy" facade shatters when reality comes crashing down on them. They're nice until they realize how all of their "favors" have only caused the women around them to see them as doormats to be walked over, not as potential partners.

Former "nice guy" here. I can help explain the psychology a little better. Firstly, to Noah it's not a façade. He really is "nice" and believes that putting others first is "the right thing to do" because he believes they'll reciprocate. Except of course a lot of people won't. Nevertheless, this is how he's been raised - fattened up like a lamb to the slaughter really. This goes doubly for how he's been raised to treat women, because he's been taught that putting a woman before himself will show her his "value" as a person - that he has superior morals, a superior work ethic and is therefore a better choice for a stable relationship. Which in many ways is true, but of course we here all know that that's not what women are actually attracted to.

From his perspective, you have come to this girl emptyhanded and offered nothing, which to him is quite literally offensive. Moreover, from his perspective you're actually abusing this girl because she, being delicate and innocent, does not realize you only intend to "use" her and then discard her. That's what he means when he calls you an asshole.

Thing is, Noah is wrong, but he doesn't know why yet. Breaking through his blue pill mindset is hard because it is at least self-consistent unlike many other beliefs.

[–]jsalathe 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Great explanation of nice guy thinking.

[–]ConcealingFate 10 points11 points  (3 children)

This is so true. I was one of those nice guys too. I'd put people's needs ahead of mine far too often with no return. I'd do it because it felt like it was the right, ethical thing to do. Now I make sure that the persons worth my time and energy. I've come a long way and still have some work to do, but it feels good to be able to say "no" sometimes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Good on you for making that change :) Deciding who to invest time in is often the first necessary step to take in order to alter a lifetime of blue pill programming.

[–]ConcealingFate 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I remember when I was in high school and I had this massive crush on this girl who was basically my best friend and we were each other's emotional tampon...I was putting her on the fucking pedestal and constructed this idea of her personality of a girl that needed to be saved from her inner problems.

One day I learnt she had a friend with benefit kind of thing with some guy. I felt...crushed I guess. I was wondering why him over me when he didn't give a fuck about her. Man, just writing these words make me cringe but alas, I didn't know better back then. I thought if you were nice enough, one day someone would notice and appreciate all of it.

TRP was easy for me to swallow. I was familiar with most of the situations at hand but I had no idea of the whole lingo associated with it. It feels pretty good to this day to be able to give a bit of RP advice/theory and have them thank you for it. But most of all, it feels good to be able to say ''no'' and actually stand up for yourself. Self-improvement is a never ending journey, but at the end of the day, you look back and smile at how far you've come.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dude, I was in pretty much the exact same situation. The thing I'm really glad I did was record hour+ long reflections/commentary on my life.

I just finished listening to one where I was realizing my oneitis was not worth dating and would just use people to quell her rampant insecurities. And that as soon as they'd refused to stroke her ego, she would rage at them and tell them what a horrible person they were. It is literally the exact formula that every one of her relationships has followed, including the one with me and the one after it.

What was interesting about the recording though was how receptive I was to TRP, I was so close to piecing it all together and every pitfall of my rationale is so clear. Looking back on everything I've written down or recorded has been an indispensable tool in swallowing the pill. It gives me insights into my past that my memory would never otherwise allow. I'd recommend it to anyone just starting out here.

[–]GregariousWolf 4 points5 points  (2 children)

he's been taught that putting a woman before himself will show her his "value" as a person - that he has superior morals, a superior work ethic ... of course we here all know that that's not what women are actually attracted to.

Good post.

Having morals is a good thing. Having a work ethic is a good thing. These intangible qualities add to your value as a person.

But these are not the same intangible qualities that will attract a mate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having morals is a good thing. Having a work ethic is a good thing. These intangible qualities add to your value as a person. But these are not the same intangible qualities that will attract a mate.

Absolutely spot-on. Well said.

[–]BluerThanBalls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great summary, it's always beneficial to hear it explained so concisely.

[–]FerrusMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a great explanation of nice guy belief. "Fattening up the slaughter" is really accurate, too. Noah is wrong, but most likely he will still believe his blue pill beliefs, because not all woman are like that. He probably also thinks that the guy who fucked his "girlfriend" just tricked her into bed somehow.

The original post is a shining example of what is wrong with men of today, utter and complete disconnect with the reality of male/female attraction.

-former nice guy and white knight

[–]docbloodmoney 42 points43 points  (4 children)

Women are like russia, you invade them in a month or you'll never succeed. Tough cookies for this beta.

[–]self_made_guy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A month ? you mean 15 days top.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And never fight them in the winter. Siberia. Vodka. Communism.

[–]Noolaw 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Remember Gentlemen! Sex first before you give her your commitment.

[–]1Mikesapien 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Maintain frame. You're the better sexual candidate; Noah needs to recognize this. In the end, it's you cumming on/in "his" girl while he sadly beats off to her facebook pics and imagines their life together. He doesn't need a friend, he doesn't need a mentor, he needs a rival.

"I am your enemy, the first one you've ever had who was smarter than you. There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will ever tell you what the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to destroy and conquer. Only the enemy shows you where you are weak. Only the enemy tells you when he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you. I am your enemy from now on. From now on, I am your teacher."

-Mazer Rackham

[–]s0und0fyell0w 14 points15 points  (0 children)

all is fair in love and war. noah doesn't understand that the only difference between your sexual strategy and his is that one of them works.

[–]T_H_E_T_R_U_T_H 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Both of you wanted the same thing. You were direct and took action. He thought up some ridiculous scheme where he does shit for her in order to con her into sex.

Who is the real asshole here?

[–]RealRational 10 points11 points  (0 children)

con her into sex.

it's not a con though. He thinks that's how the system works, I do for you, you do for me. It's exactly like someone said above, "This is what plugged in guys don't understand: women choose who they fuck. Men compete for breeding rights with women, and women pick whoever they perceive to be the best man they can get. That's hypergamy in dating".

He's actually the one being "conned", by society, feminism, reality. Being blue pill is the very definition of "being conned", you honestly believe a lie.

[–]BeAManNotABitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but it's sooo not fair that that OP didn't have to put all the work in. How dare Op be direct and to the point.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Serves the bastard right. Tell him to wait until she's 35!

[–]NeoreactionSafe 10 points11 points  (2 children)

If you guys were "friends" and he had in fact been sexually involved with the woman for some time and then they broke up and you swooped in right after that would at least give some justification for him being angry simply because it's cold to exploit another persons painful loss.

But in this case...

No, he never was her boyfriend, you won fair and square.

...and from now on you guys are NOT friends, so remember that.

He brings no value into your life.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The girl is not a prize, he didn't "win" her. She is merely an entertaining diversion.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

By Red Pill terminology, yes, the man is "The Prize".

Women use Hypergamy to make their selection and choose the guy who they think ranks the highest. The Beta was seeking approval by doing favors which places him below the woman and that instinctually means she sees him as a child and is incapable of getting Tingles for him.

There is a competition taking place because the OP has succeeded in acquiring the female (that the Beta desired) but he did so because he WASN'T bending over backwards to get her. Men are in fact in a competition, but it is between men and does not involve women. SMV is our "status" and you gain that by being Powerful. Power doesn't fall in you lap, you have to develop it. Power means you have increased options, so the OP can enjoy this woman and then discard her for another, while the Beta cannot get her or any other woman most likely.

The Beta makes the mistake of looking at the woman when he should be looking at himself and realizing that the moment you look "up" to women you fail. He doesn't see this yet. The Beta is blind to his own powerlessness.

I still think the OP should not be friends with this guy because nothing good will come of it.

[–]the_trp_dude 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I don't get it. If he already asked her out and she said she wants to be friends, why's he upset? Was he still "working on it" after he got rejected?

[–]hailst0rm 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You can bet on it. "If I just do ...., then she'll like me". Wasted many years with that messed up way of thinking.

[–]Hamilton950B 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haven't you ever been Beta? Noah thinks he still has a chance, because after all they're still friends.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep in mind that the girl is still open to Hypergamy. OP is the Alpha, and Noah is the fall-back beta-bux family man who would take care of girl's every need without her even needing reciprocate sex/commitment.

[–]human_enquirer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fascinating tale an a solid text-book example. I wish I had understood this at a younger age.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Tell Noah to buzz off and never bother talking to you again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They live in the same dorm, your perfect scenario would not work, it's like an infectious little bug that sticks around the friendship circle.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

College is going to be very hard on Noah.

[–]RuffRhyno 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You mean life. Life, will be very hard on Noah.

[–]PlebDestroyer 68 points69 points  (19 children)

Funny but why are you in a LTR while in college?

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (8 children)

This. You should be poon handling. Like a lot. Im a senior in university. Graduating this June. And Boy. I handled a lot poon, and it doubled once I swallowed the pill.

I was in an LTR in college, trust me, it aint worth it. Girls in University are the epitome of the type of girls TRP warns us about. Cock carouseling until they graduate and hit the wall.

You've been warned.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (3 children)

Nothing wrong with a "short-term" LTR in college... a couple months here or there.

Or as long as she's making you happy, really. Everything doesn't have to be black or white.

[–]1Halfjor 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Truly. The reason for TRP isn't to fuck the highest number of girls you can. It's about improving yourself, recognizing what you want for yourself, and being able to get what you want as best as you can.

Most people are in college for at least 4 years. If this girl is worthwhile then it is totally fine to date her for a few months. I'd be far more apprehensive towards getting into a LTR in college vs. after college or even junior/senior year of high school, but there's nothing innately wrong with it.

[–]yesidoes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I recommend the opposite, I would always get into an LTR in the ending years in an institution. It is much easier to break off clean.

[–]1Halfjor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had an LTR from the very end of my Junior year in HS until the end of summer before college. Best LTR I've had (I'm still in college). The whole different colleges thing made it a clean mutual break and we're actually pretty good friends.

Ending years at an institution is fucking optimal.

[–]BoTuLoX 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Girls in University are the epitome of the type of girls TRP warns us about. Cock carouseling until they graduate and hit the wall.

In my country it's still worth it to try to snatch a good woman in her early 20s. There are plenty of them that haven't been poisoned by modern feminism & co.

If you can enjoy a woman dedicated to you in her best years, why not? Get some experience to not screw up, but if you get the chance and the situation's favorable, go for it.

[–]1Mikesapien 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Double this. Graduated in December and I can't say I met many women I'd even consider for an LTR. Girls in college in our society have next to no personality.

Ugs? Check.

Yoga pants? Check.

iPhone? Check.

Starbucks? Check.

Dreadfully boring? Check.

Just hookup and move on. That's what they're looking for, and so should you.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think these days ltr means 4 months or currently seeing.

[–]teachbirds2fly 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I really hate this mentality that some have on /r/redpill that the aim of life is to sleep with as many girls as possible. If you draw your self worth from the number of girls you bang then you have clearly learnt nothing from this sub.

[–]PlebDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really hate this mentality that some have on /r/redpill that the aim of life is to sleep with as many girls as possible

I'm pretty sure most by now on this sub have identified their life mission and are working very hard towards that. Females are just another aspect of life that I would equate to entertainment. Relatively non-essential, but there is a biological imperative. College is an excellent time for satisfying this. I never stated that his life mission should be to fuck as many women as possible. You must be projecting or something.

If you draw your self worth from the number of girls you bang then you have clearly learnt nothing from this sub.

In no way shape or form did I say that you should. Although, if you are not confident in your seduction abilities, it can be a negative to your self worth; as confidence is an integral part of your self worth. Furthermore I see no wrong in drawing SOME of your self worth from you success with women. It is an indicator of your SMV. And if you don't care about SMV, then why are you even here?

As I glance to the right I see, "The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." ...this isn't /r/MGTOW.

[–]JayViceroy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Seriously. He LTR'ed a girl in college that he fucked the first night. Take a lesson from this fellas. If you can do it, you're not the only one. And to anyone saying there's nothing wrong with an LTR in college. Yes, there absolutely is everything wrong with an LTR. Why would you settle for an LTR that can be a plate? The answer is don't.

[–]MKG24 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The right chick could add social value. It would have to be a very high value girl for an LTR to be worth it, i.e. networking, high social status, rich family, etc.

There is a 1% chance of this ever being the case though.

[–]dregofsociety 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Looking at the responses overall, we have more blue pillers in denial than previously thought. They are all praising one pseudo red piller that "won" an LTR (during his college years) with a woman who fucked him on the first date after using his beta friend for months.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 6 points7 points  (0 children)

LOL! I remember when I moved into a new dorm a few weeks into the semester, which meant new friends and roommates. My roommate was cool, had some interesting friends, and we all hung out. That first night I hooked up with some "meh" chick, who was part of the group, but she kept trying to hang around but I wasn't interested so I just dropped her.

Turns out, two of the people in the group were pissed at me, as just some new guy that came in, swooped her up, then dropped her (honestly, she was barely cute), so they created some drama with her and scared her away.

It was fucking weird how "I" was the bad guy and she was just being stupid, blah blah blah... Fucking weird.

[–]Redrog1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I just want to note how terribly insulting his attitude is forwards the girl. He is treating her like she has no capacity of making her own decisions: she did not decided to be with you, you stole her...

[–]goddafindbettername 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"You are right Noah - I am an asshole. And do you really want to be with a girl who falls for such guys? You see, your unicorn is still out there, brave white knight!"

Maybe lose the white knight part - crisis solved ;)

[–]ohboyahuman 25 points25 points [recovered]

He can be mad all he wants. Respond charitably. Tell him about the way you managed to snag 'his' girl, and maybe he'll learn something for the next one instead of being butthurt over his crippling oneitis.

Create competition for yourself, man. It makes you stronger in the end.

[–]WingTune0 19 points20 points  (1 child)

As much as I'd like to imagine this would happen, it's extremely likely that he'd just tell his female "friends" that OP is a sexist/misogynist/rapist, etc.
He has to come to OP if he wants to learn, you can't forcibly unplug the blue-pilled beta.

[–]1RBuddDwyer 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I would only go as far as to introduce him to The Book of Pook and leave it at that. I would do so anonymously.

[–]self_made_guy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I was blessed to come to this sub and find The Book of Pook. I feel like Neo finally seeing The Matrix as it is at the end of the movie.

[–]1RBuddDwyer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It still amazes me that ten years later Pook still has the answers. Only a few since then have come close.

[–]self_made_guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I beg to disagree. What he preaches is some genuine and "natural". while reading I felt like I knew all that already, I needed to be reminded. In a way, he is unique.

I wonder where he is now ?

[–]Iplaychesssometimes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's gonna end up here soon, just like you did when another "alpha" stole your girl

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This guy is dangerous. He's trying to get what he wants by manipulating everyone around him including you and the girl. Seems like a self-destructive individual. If I were you I'd be polite and keep him at arms length.

[–]juanqunt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stay safe OP, inb4 Elliot Rodger 2.0

[–]Neo-ReactionaryHarry 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I knew this really ugly/creepy guy that no one liked in college named Noah. I already didn't like him just by looking at him and one day he shows up at a party and he literally spends an hour praising feminism and blah blah blah. Needless to say Noah was and probably still is a miserable shitbag as ever.

[–]asd1100 8 points8 points [recovered]

OP you sound like a pussy too. The type of pussy that feels bad for doing the right thing. Feels bad for not complying with society's blue pill blueprint.

Want to be a real friend not just an enabler?

Have that conversation with her in the room. or record her and you making fun of his nice guy antics and then let him have it. Break his blue pill virginity and shove that pill down his neck, he can swallow or he can choke, there is no going back.

Otherwise, stop giving a fuck, and start spinning some plates: you're in a dorm for fuck sake.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is hilarious, but only because I've been Noah before. Maybe he will learn one day.

[–]carnage_panda 3 points4 points  (1 child)

lulz, god I'm glad I got out of that mentality in my teenage years.

Dude just can't accept reality that she sees right through him, and knows he wants to fuck her, while at the same time being just like everyone else--wanting stuff.

Excellent "cockblock" 10/10 OP.

[–]1oldredder 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Seriously, I got accused of cockblocking flat out once and this is what happened: a girl clearly preferenced me and I was on the fence. By the end of the night, with needy McBoner nearby, I just decided "not interested" and he latched onto her right away.

They're ready to go have sex, wherever I don't know, probably the living room because my bedroom is where I am and it's off limits since I'm there. Also there's a cot, no bed, no mattress, it's no good for sex. This was years ago, back in my junky days, I was more interested in needles than pussy, though being the bad boy into that I got pussy because of that regardless.

So anyhow he knocks on my door asking for a condom. I didn't feel like using one on this girl so why am I now giving him one? I'm not. And right then and there I'm a "cockblocking motherfucker".

Oh really? I had the girl in the bag and PASSED HER ON to him and I'm the cockblocker?

Beta - you just can't explain it sometimes. Like he never heard of anal or cumming in her mouth.

[–]ModAerobus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Great story, but don't LTR this chick. If she gave up sex this early, she's not LTR material. My hierarchy of women post talks about it if you want more detail.

[–]TheRentIsTooDamnHi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, I was seeing this girl last fall (she knew I was seeing other people too, and tried to have a talk about us having a relationship) and I was considering LTR-ing her (she was nice, only been in two other relationships, and cool). Told her I'd think about it, we fuck. Then a couple days later I tell her I have to go to another girl's place (left some clothes there), she flips and hooks up with an ex to spite me. Immediately demoted to bottom-level plate. She still tries to configure some kind of relationship.

[–]loghead11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There were two kids like this when I was in school. One used to bring girls to parties. The other used to bang girls the other guy brought to parties. Guy number one bitched and cried constantly about guy number two hoovering up all his pussy.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I challenge op: This an exercise of persuasion, wit, and ultimately compassion for a fellow man. Try taking Noah under your wing and show him the path.

In the Art of War, your enemies can be converted into your most trustworthy allies. Good luck, young blood <3

[–]AkaviriDragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a whiteknight best friend in the past. Back then I was getting along with a cool chick. She was really into me aswell. Naturally Beta best friend got jealous of me and convinced the cool girl's best friend, also a seemingly interesting chick, to help him ruin our relationship. She agreed, for whatever reason. Probably a craver of drama like many other women. So they, my best friends at the time mind you, spread whatever shit they wanted about me and sabotaged my relationship by getting the cool girl to believe their bullshit. White knights and crazy women will sacrifice even their best friends for drama or hopes of sex as reward. Do not associate with these people. They are desperate and crazy. They have nothing to give you, and a lot to take away.

Enemies can be converted into allies by offering an enticing reward. In this case that would be "how to score chicks". OP already tried offering him that. Noah said no. OP pissed off noah by being better than him. At this point further associating with him is the most foolish thing to do, Noah is now looking for any friendliness he can exploit. You're dealing with the kind of people that would sacrifice themselves to bring you down with them.

[–]FerrusMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try taking Noah under your wing and show him the path.

He won't see it, until he has eyes willing to see. He will probably think that the new boyfriend is just trying to feed him bullshit anyway, and won't believe it. Best thing would be to tell noah google the red pill and just plant the seed.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Something similar happened to me when I was in college. I visited a friend at another college and wound up hooking up with a girl he liked because she kept giving me greenlight signals. The guy never even came out and told me liked her and to stay away. All he did was tell me that she was very flirty and not to take her signals as actual interest. After we hooked up, he was furious. It ended our friendship, but ironically, the girl was beta enough to fall for his emo routine, and they went out for at least a year before she presumably wised up and dumped his ass.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is Noa bad looking and are you better looking?

Because im just wondering how big of a role looks play in this. I somewhat dont really belive in game. My experinces says that girls are shallow as FUCK.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what can you do man?

just stay away from him. though if i was you i'd just spam him links to /r/theredpill

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Always remember: people are mad st themselves, they're just too solipsistic and fragile to acknowledge and deal with it.

its why I rarely take people's anger seriously, men or women, unless I respect them or they do something to earn my respect.

If you're really mad at me, truly angry and upset, do something about it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Turn it around. "Women can choose who they want to have sex with, you objectifying misogynist!"

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Betas have a way of denying all logic and reality in favor of their fantasy land where women are RPG quest givers who have the reward of sex waiting for their "champion".

That's actually pretty brilliant.

[–]valhalladclxvi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You gave him a chance, it didn't work out and you made your move. Not much else you can do.

[–]ChiliManiac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, this guy wasn't even trying to work the friendship he had at all. He didn't even let her know that he had an interest in her right away. This is were my rule of blissful ambiguity comes into play, act none the wiser and use the game.

[–]ioncloud9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its always tough to read these stories about these pathetic guys when you are thinking "NO NO NO! DONT DO THAT!"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember when I beta'd too. Driest dick in the county title went to me every year I practiced it.

[–]1mojo_juju 1 point2 points  (0 children)


OP way to be a man.

This Noah guy clearly is up shit creek without a paddle with no intention of carving one out of the easily accessible resources all around him. He's gonna be fucking himself up shit creek for a while.

You explained theory. You set an example. You led by example.

For The Win.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just keep an eye on him, people like that can be vindictive.

[–]ThisWebsiteIsNeat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah this never happened lol

[–]scramtek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Noah needs to build himself some sort of vessel.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope that Noah can realize how wrong he was about women and learn from his mistake, but Betas have a way of denying all logic and reality in favor of their fantasy land

True but pity the guy. Most Blue Pill betas have no alternative worldview to replace it with. As is often said on TRP, we spend our whole lives prior to swallowing the pill instead swallowing the classic 'Disney good guy gets the girl' fantasy. At that point it's pure frustration at the fact that you followed the alleged blueprint to success with women and got absolutely nowhere. We were all that beta fag one time in our lives before we were fortunate enough to discover TRP.

Pity the guy but keep him at arms length as others have said.

[–]someguysomewhere321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of these guys go as far as trying to befriend you and either try to sabotage the relationship or wait until they hear from one of you that the relationship has ended, so they can get the orbiter rebound.

A valid sexual strategy, but usually employed by girls a few decades ago.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He'll eventually learn that Laurens don't owe him shit.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The song "Tell Her No" by The Zombies comes to mind. Or maybe to Noah's mind.

[–]1Padre55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would point out was thinking about dumping her as her BJ skills are not up to snuff.

Agree, and amplify, and then go further.

[–]aa223 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well if it is any constellation Noah will be training to raise his stats in charisma by trying to roll two 4's in order to have a greater success rate when he talks to people. After that like a supreme gentleman he will challenge you to a joust to claim the fair Lauren whom you have soiled through lust. I hope he can grind to gain those levels in his stats and better equips.

It is crippling though that one so called asshole can undo months of hard work that a supposedly nice guy did. But that is how the world works and the only easy choice would be to improve yourself but he didn't see that and chose to blame you over himself. Your time is valuable and you have a very limited amount of it so use it to your best.

[–]fastball21 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hate to be a grammar cop but it's "consolation" not "constellation".

[–]aa223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you I'm sometimes bad at knowing which type to use.

[–]Lithiumthium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BUT BUT, he is objectifying her by saying only he can date her! He is opressing her by saying she can't date other people! THAT'S SEXIST!

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the analogy at the end. Very apt description of BP expectations.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL... It's a case of shit or get off the pot.

He didn't make his move early on so he got moved from potential mate material into the beta orbiter class because he didn't nut up and ask her early on. The longer you spend with a woman without asking them out the higher the chance they'll reply negatively and when they reply negatively if you stop doing shit for them suddenly you're the biggest dick in the world because some other woman is getting your attention at that point.

[–]Neburel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kids these days are doing it all wrong. I loved doing favors for the ladies, such as help with HW and even foot massages. It was a chance to seduce without making it an official date, so she would be more relaxed.

[–]AntixD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what a dumb cunt,why did you even try to explain to him? less competition for you

[–]armenia4ever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would have done Noah a solid by alerting him to the fact that being a nice guy will never land him the girl.

I've straight up told guys in this kind of situation that they need to channel their inner asshole, be direct with their intentions, not put up with shit, stand up for themselves, and stop being used by women who they just want to be "friends" with.

I'm used to the normal shocked responses about how I disrespect women and the like, but I've had one see the error of their ways and thank me later.

[–]cake_eater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly why if you're chick lets me Iam fukin her. You better not get mad faggot op.

[–]thenarrrowpath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's just like Michael from the side bar.

[–]Poldonis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was notorious for this in college. My fraternity had the ”nice guy” title which to about 85% of the frat was a good thing.....

I was one if the only brothers to have the balls to pull the trigger on girls on a consistent basis when I wasn't in a ltr (the regrets). Problem was when you have 25 white knight brothers all orbiting different girls, you literally couldn't hook up with anyone w/o pissing someone off. So on top of the nice guy title it was tabboo to actually do anything for fear of butthurting a brother. I said fuck that and proceeded to piss a lot of them off.

I would give all if them the same speach and every altercation smoothed out fine. "Look dude, you can't fucking call dibs on a girl just cause you like her, if that's the case I call dibs on every girl. You probably have a problem with that. Good because you should. Honestly I am doing you a favor. If you want me to stop, grow a pair and make a move. I am forcing you to stop being a bitch and start competing. Get her before me and I won't step on your toes"

So grew a pair and if I walked into a room where they were they had a girl they liked, they started putting the moves on fast and hard. The ones that didn't learned that not everyone is going to stop doing something because "its not nice"

Tl:DR Even in your friend circle just because someone likes a girl, if they are not making actual moves on her and just orbiting them, I say fuck em, give them a somewhat similar advice and it will probably help them

Edit: I was an economics major so I was able to push that my "morals" are based on compition and open markets which may have been why I was able to get away with this and still have good friendships in the fraternity. I acted this way because that's how I am and do not reason as you do

[–]prodigyx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but Betas have a way of denying all logic and reality in favor of their fantasy land where women are RPG quest givers who have the reward of sex waiting for their "champion".

Fucking nailed it right there.

At least you will be rid of this guy in a couple months. Angry betas do crazy things.

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