Blue Pill ExampleMarried woman goes out with male 'best friend' while husband is out of town, gets drunk and takes him home to 'hang out'. MIL calls her out. r/relationship's tells her, her behavior is fine. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by cassandrita

Here is the thread: http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/1558834

TL;DR Married woman has straight, single best friend she's known for years. Goes out to a movie with him then hits the bar, gets drunk and brings him home. MIL shows up and offers the guy a ride home but woman says he's spending the night. They're going to 'play cards' all night. MIL exposes her whorish behavior to the family, r/relationships thinks woman's behavior is okay.

So I replied in this thread about how inappropriate it was for this woman to be out on the town with a male friend, getting drunk, bringing him home. Got completely downvoted. Got 2 messages from two women:

1) One who is also married, has several male best friends she sometimes sleeps in the same bed with. But her husband is okay with it because he trusts her.

2) Another woman who is completely devoted to her husband and child but once a year goes on a camping trip alone with her male best friend (and they share a hotel room!) and her husband is okay with it.

Most people in the thread said the woman's behavior was okay because the husband was okay with it. Who cares that she's pretty much making him the laughingstock of the town by having her male best friend stay the night while he's out of town working? Who cares what his stupid mother thinks. She has every right to have her bestie of years who is straight and single spend the night.

While the husband may be okay with his wife having a male best friend, his reaction speaks volumes. He didn't jump to his wife's defense when his mother called her out. He simply walked out. why? Because his wife has no fucking defense. She's acting inappropriately but the consensus on r/relationships is that the husband should be happy that his wife has a male best friend taking her out while he's not there.

[–]AngraMainyuu 408 points409 points  (93 children)

Reverse the genders for a moment:

wife goes out of town, husband sneaks over to female he's known for years, they go out to a bar, they get a little drunk, she comes home with him and attempts to spend the night. MIL finds out, accuses the guy of cheating and /r/relationships defends the...wait no they don't. He was gonna cheat on his wife! Right??

I wish people would fucking wake up to the fact that men AND women cheat on their partners and what isn't okay for one, isn't okay for the other, because both are free agents capable of infidelity.

[–]jiveraffe 108 points108 points [recovered]

Flipping the script is always the best litmus test.

I wish people would fucking wake up to the fact that men AND women cheat on their partners

This is a manifestation of society's belief that women are inherently more "pure". Men's sexuality is seen as deviant (smut), while women's sexuality is seen as wholesome and romantic (50 Shades). Dalrock had a whole post about it recently.

[–]Ausfall 13 points14 points  (5 children)

women's sexuality is seen as wholesome and romantic (50 Shades)

Fun app that recreates a paragraph or two using the writing style of 50 Shades.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Such a poorly written book. Journalists everywhere are in tears, probably.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

implying that most journalist these days are doing much better

[–]DeadlyCords 14 points15 points  (0 children)

12 reasons why journalists these days suck. #9 will shock you!

[–]Aveternity 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yep, Dalrock's analysis of this is fantastic. Here is an older blog post regarding the "purity" of romantic sex: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/lovestruck/

[–]love2fap 152 points153 points  (6 children)

feminists and white knights, assemble!

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 46 points47 points  (5 children)

If she cheats, it is his fault anyway, so he deserves it.

[–]stevredpill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Didn't show her enough attention from all those late nights on the road working to pay the mortgage on their house that is filled up with useless shit that she bought and he doesn't even want, but it is okay, she knows better.

How dare he not show her attention and make her resort to cheating.

[–]MaleGoddess 10 points11 points  (0 children)

he must've been doing something wrong.

[–][deleted] 105 points106 points  (33 children)

Let's wait a couple of weeks and submit a story exactly the same with the genders reversed.

This could be a thing it could be a real thing.

[–]RobertCarraway 27 points28 points  (24 children)

That would be fantastic. To prevent us all from doing it, or no-one from doing it (thinking that someone else will) I nominate you, Dongbei, to perform the honors. You can then expose your trick on r/relationships and link is to it.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (18 children)

Ok. When do you think I should do it? Month seems safest.

[–]RobertCarraway 25 points26 points  (12 children)

Month sounds about right. Somebody further down this thread already did it, I think? Hopefully that doesn't give the game away. I would copy that rendition and change enough of it so that you don't immediately trigger any recognition.

[–]markb4587 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Commenting on this thread to find it later and see this master piece play out.

[–]kingis23 2 points2 points [recovered]

same here, this sounds epic

[–]waylandertheslayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can you also post an update here (on TRP)?

[–]MaleGoddess 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are you going to make this post?

[–]SplashArtist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

looking forward to your social experiment. Ganbatte ne! (goodluck)

[–]Glenbert 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Don't waste your time. Most of the children of Reddit are living in a politically correct lala land.

Check out this thread where some women say they are "totally fine" with their boyfriends sleeping on the same bed with a female "friend." https://archive.today/6XCaB

EDIT: Here's what I'm referring to from that link...

I don't set any boundaries, except for don't have sex with someone. I trust him completely, if he wants to get wasted at a lady friends house and sleep there that is just fine. Hell they can share a bed and spoon all night for all I care, I know he is not going to cheat on me so whatever.


No sexual touching. Don't care about the rest of it - have friend over, go out with them, sleep in the same bed, whatever.


I haven't set any boundaries. I trust him completely and he views most of his female friends as sisters anyway. He goes out with them one on one, gets drunk with them, has shared beds with them ... it doesn't bother me at all. He's an adult, and there's nothing sexual about any of it, and if there were he would put a stop to it.

Bullshit. These women are probably drunk on their SMV and aping PC horseshit because that what people drunk on their SMV sometimes do. 5 years from now they'll be saying, "How could I have been so stupid?"

Good luck trolling these knuckleheads.

[–]jayzeee78 32 points33 points  (1 child)

It all comes down to respect. I wouldn't do this to my wife out of sheer respect. I would expect the same from her.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 28 points29 points  (7 children)

There is nothing we can do to educate people like the ones in /r/relationships, but we can get lessons from them. Namely that people are very easy to manipulate given the right social construct.

Use this for "good" or "bad" as you see fit, but understand that the everyday person doesn't have the ability to see the world for what it is and that works to YOUR advantage.

[–]NoodlesTheClown 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I had to do this just once with my current LTR, who is pretty awesome, and she got the hint very quickly.

Early on, the issue came up of her grabbing drinks with a male "friend" without me, because I was not in town. To her credit, she took the initiative and mentioned it to me.

My response, complete with shit-eating grin: "That's fine with me, if you'll be going out alone with your guy friends, then I reserve the right to go out alone with my girl friends."

Her: "Ok I trust you, just as long as they don't want to fuck you."

Me: "Unfortunately, I can't control what they want."

At that point, like an army that had been surrounded on both flanks, she waved her white flag and proposed that it's not good for either of us to be hanging out alone with the opposite sex, and that she won't be going out alone with any guys.

Worthy of note is the fact that she expressed a marked sense of happiness and relief that I was so willing to infer and enforce the boundaries, and the possible consequences of not adhering to them, without coming across as an insecure little bitch. Don't ever be afraid to turn the tables on a female, and as always, do it with some balls.

[–]Grasshopper21 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Actually I'm going to post the exact same story to /r/relationships (with reverse genders). I want to see what the reactions are like.

http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2wt9q5/my_motherinlaw_45_accused_me_30_m_of_cheating_on/ Link, if I missed anything important to the gender switch let me know.

[–]abcd_z 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Well this looks like an interesting- and it's gone.

[–]Grasshopper21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I got 6 comments on people calling me troll and for trying to make the story a gender issue. I would have liked 1 real answer before I reported everyone in the thread for not adding to the question asked.

[–]nuesuh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If that exact history on /r/relationships in 2 months, when this is forgotten.. They will tell you he's a creep for sure.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always had a lot of female buddies I used to hang out with. I even did spend a night at their places once in a while, if convenient - even if in a relationship. As long as everyone involved is sexually satisfied (!), I do not see the problem here. I don't need to turn each and every woman I like into a ONS / fuckbuddy.

But on the other hand, people who do actually behave like adults and (sub-)communicate clear borderlines would probably not open up such a thread on /r/relationships...

[–]Cloughtower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What really struck me about this story was seeing just how far the pendulum has swung.

The top comments are literally railing against traditional values.

[–]pauly_pants 223 points224 points  (34 children)

That sub is an echo chamber of women's validation.

[–]InferiousX 55 points56 points  (10 children)

My favorite is how any relationship where the man is notably older than the woman, 80 percent of the upvoted comments are white knights and jaded women "warning" the girl that anything she feels for him is a trick and that all older men are diabolical emotional puppeteers.

They post that regardless of what the OP is actually worried about. Most of that sub is a cesspool of shit information.

[–]through_a_ways 24 points25 points  (9 children)

My favorite is how any relationship where the man is notably older than the woman, 80 percent of the upvoted comments are white knights and jaded women "warning" the girl that anything she feels for him is a trick and that all older men are diabolical emotional puppeteers.

I have a theory about this. Women aren't inherently less attracted to older men, and are often more attracted to them, if everything else is held constant.

Yet, you always hear young women trash-talking older men, while you never hear the same done to other measures of SMV (height, for example).

I think a lot of this contempt for older men comes from a place of insecurity. Insecurity that, while older men usually retain and even improve their charm, older women can only lose it.

Taller women aren't less sexually attractive than shorter women (at least not when compared to the differential between old and young women), so you don't get the same type of shaming. Taller women are also a minority of the population, while every woman will eventually be old.

I've also heard the same type contempt for "manwhores". Lots of women claim to not want them, even calling them "sluts", etc. We all know it's a lie, and that it comes from the same exact place of insecurity (they know that sleeping around only increases a man's SMV, while it decreases a woman's, so they shame it even though they like it).

[–]InferiousX 21 points22 points  (6 children)

There are young women who just straight up dont like older men. And that's fine because there are plenty who do.

I think a majority of the people making and upvoting those types of comments are:

A: Clueless White Knights. Surely when the damsel realizes she's being held prisoner, she'll come to her senses and probably fall for a "nice guy" like me! It's the right thing to do.


B: Post-Wall or close to Wall women. This is probably a majority of it or at least the most vocal. Go tell a female friend who's pushing 30 that you (if you're an older man) or an older guy you know is dating a 19 year old.




These are the kinds of words that will come out. They'll say it with the same tone as if you had told them the girl was 9. They're making it sound like they disapprove. When what's actually happening is that in their mind, if this guy is able to date a younger prettier girl and has a low drama/BS tolerance, she has almost no chance in the sexual marketplace for your archetype. It's a male slut shaming death throe. And that's what's happening on a larger scale in r/relationships

That's my take at least.

[–]Newdist2 5 points6 points  (2 children)

B: Post-Wall or close to Wall women. This is probably a majority of it or at least the most vocal. Go tell a female friend who's pushing 30 that you (if you're an older man) or an older guy you know is dating a 19 year old.

Yeah, and how many of those women dated or at least fucked a much older guy or two when they were 19?

[–]InferiousX 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Oh but that one time that one guy was a jerk! Don't you see! They're saving other young girls from the terrible clutches or being with a more financially secure and less emotionally need man!


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[–]wimmyjales 113 points113 points [recovered]

Holy shit. That's narcissism on a dangerous level. I hope if I have a stroke its not at a bar around some self centered bitch like that.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Total fail at reading dude. The chick's roommate told her the date probably tried to rookie her.

At least report facts otherwise you are not helping us have a real conversation.

[–]marty2k 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Seriously. A few weeks ago some poor guy went on there because his girlfriend was leaving used pads on the sink where he leaves his toothbrush and she got when he called her out on her bullshit disgusting ways. The response:

  • he was a nag

  • period blood is completely sterile and nasty and he was wrong for being grossed out

  • he hates his girlfriend

  • he shouldn't of said anything and let her do it

  • he was an asshole

  • he should be more docile and let her do whatever the fuck she wants no matter what

Might as well of gone on r/askuglylonelyfeminists.

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[–][deleted] 107 points108 points  (9 children)

What bothers me here is the parenthetically enclosed phrase: playing cards (sort of).

When women talk like that, that kind of shit is likely to contain the critical details. It's like by saying stuff like that, they convince themselves that they've already told the whole truth.

[–]khxddr 73 points74 points  (4 children)

What bothers me here is the parenthetically enclosed phrase: playing cards (sort of).

They were playing strip poker.

Seriously though, the MIL is a gigantic drama whore, the wife doesn't respect her husband, and the husband is too spineless to tell her that having drunk men over isn't acceptable even if there's no fucking.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

....and there's probably been fucking.

[–]krakosia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The mother is a drama queen narcissistic . What kind of upbringing do you think the kid had?

[–]Calledtoservethewild 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm guessing both women have him so whipped, that wifey knows she wins in a contest of wills if just her husband found out, which is why mom went nuclear on her.

[–]krakosia 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That's the yada yada of Seinfeld.

[–]abcd_z 14 points15 points  (0 children)

George: Listen to this. Marcy comes up and she tells me her ex-boyfriend was over late last night, and "yada yada yada, I'm really tired today." You don't think she yada yada'd sex.

Elaine: (Raising hand) I've yada yada'd sex.

George: Really?

Elaine: Yeah. I met this lawyer, we went out to dinner, I had the lobster bisque, we went back to my place, yada yada yada, I never heard from him again.

Jerry: But you yada yada'd over the best part.

Elaine: No, I mentioned the bisque.

[–]trpalternate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I laughed at that part because my wife and I actually use "playing cards" as a euphemism for sex.

[–]VarsitySlutTeamCpt 42 points43 points  (7 children)

I bet they'd be less vocal and supporting if it was the husband that spent the night with his female best friend.

[–]bells_320 10 points11 points  (5 children)

That's because a married man's female best friend was a plate once. A married woman's male best friend is an orbiter. Orbiters gotta go once you get married and that is where this guy fucked up. He allowed wife to keep her orbiters; which allowed her to keep plausible deniability i.e. my husband is friends with Kyle/wouldn't mind him sleeping over.

MIL saw something that, to normal society, doesn't make sense. Turns out her son doesn't have a frame to hold.

[–]1independentmale 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You nailed it. Orbiters are the worst. Those assholes will fuck your girl at the drop of a hat if given the chance. They have no respect for you, every word out of their mouths is intended to undermine your relationship.

[–]TheRabbitWarren 36 points36 points [recovered]

Wow what is next for the rationalisation hamster. Next week we'll be hearing stories how her best male friend and her get naked in bed just to give each other visual body exams. Health is very important and they need to do this every few days! They would never fuck each other he's just a sexy ripped friend how could anyone come to that conclusion flabberghasted. Sex is sacred and should only performed once a month with her devoted husband gosh darn it.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

We're already living in the "next level" of the hamster. It's called "polyamory". They just straight up fuck other people with no remorse.

[–]ilirm 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Lol polyamory is just for ugly women to keep a harem of manchildren. I've never ever witnessed a good looking or even average poly girl. The men are even worse. Your worst neckbeard nightmare.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

That's how it started, but just wait until the 8+ female crowd realizes they can do the same without consequence. They will. Women act as bad as they are allowed.

[–]1oldredder 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Maybe there is consequence. The 8+ hotness women want real, hot men and those men will NOT tolerate this, they are almost all alphas. It's alpha instinct to want to either pound the face in of another man doing this, or they're buddies and high-five each other over the spit-roast and the girl has no value to either one of them.

[–]cassandrita[S] 57 points58 points  (23 children)

Best comment in this thread:

My husband would tell me that if he came in and saw me naked with another man he'd know I'd have a good explanation for it...that's the relationship we had.

This woman had "permission" if you will from her husband to have friend over, go out with, party etc., from her husband...end of story.

Let's say I am MIL, I'm driving home, see these two walking tipsy...I'd have stopped and offered them a ride home! What I would not do is get the camera out, snapping all the way, stalk them, "drop in" on them and THEN have a party so I can lower them bomb on them and humiliate them in front of the family.

[–]Newdist2 113 points114 points  (16 children)

My husband would tell me that if he came in and saw me naked with another man he'd know I'd have a good explanation for it

Tripped, fell, landed on his dick.

[–]through_a_ways 25 points26 points  (9 children)

It's like with American cops.

"The gun discharged"

[–]abcd_z 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"Open and shut case, Johnson. I saw this once before when I was a rookie. Apparently this nigger broke in and hung up pictures of his family everywhere."

-Dave Chappelle stand-up routine

[–]trpalternate 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It wasn't her fault that she let it "discharge" all over her.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I just LOVE the passive voice - no accountability what. So. Fucking. Ever.

[–]arbyq5000 2 points2 points [recovered]

while you're correct that there isn't any accountability in the statement, it is in the active voice.

[–]Newdist2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So passive would be... "a bullet was discharged from the gun"?

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[–]mickydonavan417 2 points3 points  (1 child)

i guess her husband doesnt mind his wife fucking other men.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's essentially what my whore ex said. "It just happened!"

The dinner and drinks with the man beforehand just happened as well, I imagine

[–]jcrpta 17 points18 points  (0 children)

My husband would tell me that if he came in and saw me naked with another man he'd know I'd have a good explanation for it...that's the relationship we had.

Yeah. They were having sex. It's a perfectly good explanation.

Might not be one he likes, but she didn't say anything about that.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 25 points26 points  (2 children)

When the male and female hamster combine.

[–]through_a_ways 10 points11 points  (0 children)

When that happens, many more hamsters are born.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 20 points21 points  (1 child)

So many women, so many orbiters, so many men with no self respect. That whole thread made me a little sad at just how common this slut in waiting behavior is.

[–]mickydonavan417 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I swear, i dont think i'd ever knowingly date a redditor. The women here are too astoundingly fucked up.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 21 points22 points  (5 children)

"1) One who is also married, has several male best friends she sometimes sleeps in the same bed with. But her husband is okay with it because he trusts her.

2) Another woman who is completely devoted to her husband and child but once a year goes on a camping trip alone with her male best friend (and they share a hotel room!) and her husband is okay with it."

Can't imagine my Mom or my sister doing this. Can't imagine my Dad or my brother-in-law being okay with it.

[–]mickydonavan417 12 points13 points  (3 children)

these women are so detached from reality. its pure madness. No man i know would be okay with this, and only the worst women I know would even try it. I've been the male best friend and I would never do this with a female friend in a committed relationship. I refuse to promote and enable infidelity. Word is bond and family first.

[–]Danedina 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think you're forgetting how many dead marriages there are. I could imagine a lot of guys simply no longer care what their fat-ass wives do as long as they have to listen to less of their bullshit.

I was in a dead marriage. I bit the bullet and got divorced. Left her the apartment because of the kids and started over with nothing. I got no sympathy for the chumps of this world who refuse to remove themselves from their sorry states.

[–]Moolg86 64 points65 points  (8 children)

I kind of admire the MIL's actions in a way. expertly calculated response. worst case scenario there is some sort of cheating going on and she's alerted her son and immediate family members that something isn't right.

in one fell swoop she shifted the entire balance towards one end, if in case there was an affair going on.

and on the other hand, if nothing was going on, or an affair was beginning to crescendo, she effectively ended/prevented one by painting out OP as a sketchy woman. a sort of social sword of Damocles if you will.

[–]whosthisguythinkheis 25 points25 points [recovered]

seems like a total bitch to me.

imagine if you were the son, didn't know this random guy and had to deal with it in front of your whole family. she didn't want to get further evidence, actually figure out what's up, the MIL just totally came to her own conclusion based on her own confirmation bias and used it to put both the son and the DIL in a humiliating position.

10 points for caring for her son, -200 for execution.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My ex told me she wanted to spend a few days in another city and will be crashing at her ex boyfriends house to save money. I told her no problem and that her stuff will be in a box at her sisters when she gets back. Cue the shit tests and hamstering.

In the end she didn't go.

[–]Adolf_ghandi 17 points18 points  (1 child)

To be fair I think MIL wants her gone.

But she also punished her disrespectful behaviour. Lesson learned I guess.

[–]mickydonavan417 9 points10 points  (0 children)

if my son was married to a whore I'd want her gone too. is anyone seriously buying this besties he has PJs at my house bullshit? Shes in such denial about how huge a slut she is she cant even cop to it anonymously on the internet.

[–]lolskaters 33 points34 points  (13 children)

I don't think they found my post funny.


[–]ho_made_apple_butter 28 points29 points  (10 children)

Should try it again in a week after the original fades away. For science.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

i really wanna see the outcome, i know what it will be but i still wanna see it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

RemindMe! 9 Days "Repost edited story"

[–]wagwagwag 3 points3 points [recovered]

Remind Me! 10 Days "check on edited story"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well. shit. she deleted the story.

[–]tmbridge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

RemindMe! 9 Days "Repost edited story"

[–]Waldo00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit real experiments be happenin here.

[–]ModAerobus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Try it a week from now, but don't make it that obvious. Don't copy paste the title or the text. Change it up so it's believable, but not so much so that it's an entirely different post. Many laughs will be had.

[–]BuckStricklandx 12 points13 points  (1 child)

heres one:

So hey, my best friend was also man of honor at my wedding. We make horrible jokes/inappropriate jokes and we typically greet each other by groping boobs or butts. And there never has been, nor will there be any romantic lustful thoughts/desires there. Because he's my friend and I'm HAPPILY married to my husband. He's like my older brother and it would be weird for both of us. People frequently think we're together when we're out because of how close we are. He's not gay (not that it even matters) and people CAN chose to not screw around with members of the opposite sex. Just a PSA there, buddy.

Yeah like im just gonna sit there and let some assclown grab my wife's tits and ass all day, and then get lectured about how this guy has never had and never will have (lol) "romantic/lustful" thoughts between them. "It would be weird for both of us!" lol weird is letting your friend feel you up and acting like it doesn't mean anything to him.

[–]trplurker 11 points11 points [recovered]

To all the guys going "but but friends!!!!" stop. This isn't about that. Friends is going for a coffee, catching a movie or having lunch. Friends is helping someone pack or spending platonic time with each other. You can even have a drink with your friends, at a bar, house party or other open venue. "Friends" is not at home, one on one, drunk or getting drunk while planning on spending the night. When one or both members are married, doing something like that is inviting a "mistake" to happen, and they happen quite frequently. It's about not putting oneself in a compromising situation or deliberately opening one up to the possibility of infidelity. A good wife would of gone home alone or otherwise made sure that there was no possibility of a drunken "ohh sh!t what did we do" moment happening. Women have agency, they can make decisions and are responsible for the consequences of those decisions. Women really like to remove overt responsibility by being passive while simultaneously keeping doors open and providing the opportunity for a male to approach and seduce them. These are still decisions and men need to be aware of them.

That husband should seriously consider a divorce because I guarantee 100% that she's fucked around already.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What the flying fuck...it baffles me that people's morals have sunk this low. I mean, even when I still was a plugged blue pill such a thing would be unacceptable. What the hell.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The kicker at the end: "Any help in any way with this would be appreciated".


[–]Unsounds 9 points10 points  (2 children)

All these posts do to me, is throw me back momentarily to the anger phase.

On one hand, it helps remind you that AWALT, on the other, it certainly isn't good for my heart conditions to be constantly angry...

[–]Tarnsman4Life 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hear you, reading some of the comments brought the anger boiling up. Then I remembered AWALT and like kids, women will run wild if you don't set and hold boundaries.

[–]mickydonavan417 3 points4 points  (0 children)

it doesnt help when your culture enables this behavior either. These days bitches will accuse you of being controlling and emotionally abusive because you wont let her fuck other men. Its insanity.

[–]Uckcan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yeah these people really are clowns.. What's the need for any guy to spend the night over? Have some effing class and take care of your sh*t

[–]mickydonavan417 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i dont even know what these bitches lack I cant even say its class. I know women with neck tattoos that wouldnt do this shit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think this not only shows that the sub loves validating women, but that it supports beta male behavior. Which is just as dangerous.

[–]JonnyZar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What in the flying fuck is wrong with people? This is some shit my ex would have done, I can't believe how naive I was. This sub has set me free.

[–]Rooibosisboss 13 points14 points  (2 children)

all i see is a messed wife with a messed up mother in law, with a guy with absolutely no dignity left in the middle.

[–]Icanberoberta 12 points13 points  (8 children)

I agree with you. I had a male bestfriend before I started dating my husband. Once me and my husband started getting serious, I dwindled the relationship with the male bestfriend... Years later this said guy was being a bit too close for comfort and I again ended the friendship with him. I'm a faithful person and the only male in my life should be my husband, family and than friends. MIL is totally awesome for calling out the scum whore of a DIL. I guess the sanctity of marriage has gone out the window these days eh? Let's take a look back in the fifties when things were much different! Grrr, this comment could twirl out of control. edit- it twirled

[–]Prodigy5 16 points17 points  (4 children)

There should be a woman logic meme

[–]blue_27 42 points43 points  (2 children)

That doesn't make any sense.

[–]T-rexTea 10 points11 points  (0 children)

[–]helolover 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I hope he's fucking 20 other women when he's out of town....

[–]mickydonavan417 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hope hebrings home a bastard for her to raise like Ned Stark.

[–]newbie3hunna 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I literally have no clue how anyone could think this is acceptable behavior. What a good mom though, trying to standing up for her pathetic beta son who obviously can't do it himself. She was smart to take photos and do it in the fashion she did. She knew bringing it up in private would just result in the wife blowing it off as her being crazy and that she would easily get away with it because her husband is a pussy.

Why the hell does he have to stay the night? They were drunk and play cards "kind of". Nothing about this makes any sense. Even if she didn't plan on cheating it is disgusting behavior for a married women. He's away, you know, paying for the fucking house she is at. While she gets wasted with her male best friend and "playing cards before they go to sleep, tee-hee". What a stupid fucking whore. Usually this shit doesn't piss me off, but the fact all these retards are trying to blame the MIL for this whores actions is just unacceptable and disgusting.

[–]Waldo00 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just keep your head up and put your foot down. The women was completely right and vented to the sub because she genuinely doesn't understand. This is modern saintly goddess mentality at its best, she has been conditioned this way. She truly doesn't see the issue society and her husband never told her, and if she did end up having sex it just happened and it was the guys fault. doesn't at all see the problem with putting herself in this situation.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The post itself sounds like a made up story to me. However the responses seem like typical reddit to me... a married couple can freely set any parameters they want for their relationship...so no surprise by the answers.

What rich lady is out stalking her dil? A truly rich woman hires a PI for that kind of stuff. What rich woman with any class hosts a party, in her home, to embarrass a guest? How could all these family members (assuming they were at the couple's wedding which was 2 years ago) forget the MAN of honor? The whole story sounded fake to me.

[–]winndixie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wonder would it be just ask "okay" if the genders were switched, a man bringing home a woman just to sleep over.

[–]ucfgavin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Eh, if she wants to have a friend zoned guy that she hangs out with, I'm ok with it to an extent. I'll make my opinions known about it, and a guys intention 99% of the time. The rest is on her. If anything happens, I'm out and its her fault. There are no apologies and making up and taking anyone back, its over.

[–]C00l_Guy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Like the saying goes. Alpha fucks and beta cucks.

[–]torodinson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is ok..... for them. I wouldn't stick around.

[–]valhalladclxvi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She may or may not be cheating, but her behavior is out of line.

[–]mickydonavan417 2 points3 points  (1 child)

immorality is the problem. It would never even occur to a good wife to be going out with a male friend without her husband or at least other female friends. Even if nothing happens, anyone who sees you will think you are a whore and your husband is a cuckold. How could you do that to your family?

[–]DreadLockedHaitian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would never even occur to a good wife to be going out with a male friend without her husband or at least other female friends.

This cannot be stated enough. I had a situation like this last weekend with my best friend and his girl.

Yeah, me and his girl are friends now; but only because she's with my best friend.

It's not that we don't enjoy each others company but unless it's something that fosters some sort of professional or life enrichment; why would we be out getting drunk with each other without him?

We didn't even have a discussion about this. It's just kind of implied and abided by.

[–]LadyLumen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

While the husband may be okay with his wife having a male best friend, his reaction speaks volumes.

I agree with this. The fact that he wasn't flipping out at his mom or vehemently defending his wife shows that he does feel like something is wrong.

Also, in the text the woman says "We were playing cards (sort of)."

Off the bat that seems kind of fishy.

Also there is the fact that MIL doesn't like her and never has liked her. Many times when a parent doesn't like a partner, their not always wrong.

I'm not going to jump to conclusions and say that this woman was automatically cheating. I mean, there are people who do have friends of the opposite gender. But the situation certainly doesn't seem right.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

oh ya.

We're opposite genders and up playing cards all night, sort of, maybe don't sleep, maybe sleep. In the same bed of course because we're just close friends and you trust me.

And clothes? Wow, they're so constricting, we won't be needing those. Because you trust me, right honey? You have a nice business-trip now!

LULZ + I can't even.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would absolutely love to see this story posted identically with he/she reversed, just too see Reddit have a melt down with how inappropriately the husband is behaving.

Also, if this male "friend" is such a good friend, why is she only suddenly interested in seeing him now that her husband is away?

[–]theDarkAngle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would have asked OP two questions:

What does "playing poker (sort of)" mean?

Have you ever had sex of any kind with Kyle, even before you met your husband?

I have a feeling the answers would have been... long.

[–]PaulHarden 5 points5 points [recovered]

I probably wouldn't mind if I was the husband. Any man who is a big enough bitch to be the "man of honor" at your wedding isn't someone you really have to worry about.

[–]BeAManNotABitch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Unless he uses the memory of the wedding to fuel his hate for you. Op and that guy have been friends for 13 years and are "very close", he has to be an orbiter. As we all know, orbiters have been known to do all sorts of crazy shit to try to win over girls.

[–]Waldo00 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yep rp would agree, this man has been hanging on through thick and thin, she has a good backup and doesn't understand the problem. But when hubby pisses her off or fucks off, orbiter may get his one time payday. Beggars can't be choosers

[–]1independentmale 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My money says he's already fucked her.

People cheat. Spend enough voluntary alone time with a member of the opposite sex and feelings often develop. They clearly get along well and have much in common or they wouldn't have this weird bestie thing going on. While Joe Orbiter may not have had a chance early on, the long game can be fruitful for him. All relationships have their ups and downs and I guarantee he has been damn sure to "be there for her" during the downs.

Even if that means only acting as an emotional tampon, he has unique "girlfriend" insight into their relationship, which he can and will use to his advantage. With hubby blissfully trusting wifey around this guy, they have ample opportunity to fuck with nobody the wiser. That's tough to turn down, even for a wife who may have initially had every intention of being faithful and no sexual desire for the orbiter. Especially after she hits the wall and the realities of married life have fully set in.

[–]fap_the_pain_away 11 points12 points  (2 children)

People will take as much as you let them. It's human nature. If men are pathetic weaklings too scared to put their women in place, then those women will simply do whatever the hell they want.

You almost think these weak ass betas deserve to suffer. For being so stupid. But then you have to remind yourself that our society is a bizarre aberration; an unnatural lie; a big farce and scam. This is a slave colony with political and material motives behind its careful livestock management techniques. It's a Blue Pill Matrix in here.

And then, pity. You really need to pity these poor fools. These fatass manboobs. These sycophantic betas. These thirsty white knights. Easily manipulated peasants. Teach them to make a mockery of their own manhood, and that's just what they'll do.

In a proper society this woman would literally be put to death. Not that she'd ever be paired up with such a failure of a man to begin with. Patriarchy is rational and fair, after all.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Those two PM's made me cringe so hard....sooooo hard.

Those poor men. How fucking beta/pussy-whipped do you have to be..... If those two women aren't fucking their "friends" (who, lets admit, might be beta bucks too) they are DEFINITELY fucking other men. I can see that hamster right now as they were writing to OP chastizing him "Well, I don't fuck THOSE male friends, so clearly married women can have platonic male friends. Damn, Derek's dick was sooo good last night. I wonder if he's free tonight while hubby is out..."


[–]Iloveyou-Iknow 14 points14 points [recovered]

I am rooting for the "best friend". The guy obviously "gets it" and gets to nail a woman while the nice guy husband has to pay for her bills. It's the husband/fiancee's fault for being a fool wussy who cant lead his woman and push her attraction buttons.

Nice guys don't get to complain. Read David DeAngelo's "Attraction is not a choice" and start fixing yourself. Man children.

[–]EarnestMalware 17 points18 points  (11 children)

According to the OP, "best friend" was actually wife's "Man of Honor" at her wedding, so this is all a bit weirder than I think any of us actually know.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

They've fucked. They've tooootally fucked.

[–]EarnestMalware 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Perhaps. But that would only make the "Man of Honor" thing even more inexplicable than if they hadn't. It's all fucking weird.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Do women spend that much effort keeping a massive beta around, though? They like their orbiters, but this is pretty significant. If her husband isn't giving her her alpha fucks and tons of beta, why would she go through so much effort keeping another huge beta around?

Its very possible, but I've never heard a story where a woman put that much effort into an extramarital beta relationship. They usually only do that when motivated by some alpha penis.

[–]EarnestMalware 1 point2 points  (2 children)

But on what planet does some stud wind up in some chicks fucking bridal party?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We don't know time ranges or his mix of alpha/beta....I totally agree, that's Friendzone City shit right there. But.....she's bringing him home drunk to play "cards"..... Weird shit, for sure.

[–]jamaljabrone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

ROFL...man of honor...holy shit the state of today's American man.

[–]Newdist2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is it possible the dude is gay?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I disagree, he sounds like a textbook beta orbiter. On the other hand, if that's not the case, then he's been banging her for, what was it? Thirteen years?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If a married men has some side mistresses or flings, he is less likely to be on alert for his wife's misdeeds. Also, if his wife went cold on him being sexless, he may just be living with her like a sister.

[–]Greenmonster71 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The friend is a loser why would you insert yourself into that

[–]miketech18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im reading this wondering how her husband didnt punch her friends face inside out when he is in the guys home.

[–]djxpress 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there a way to comment on that thread? Those people are f'ing crazy!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Maybe he likes the taste of another man's cock on his wife's lips. Some dudes are into that. That's his business. Or maybe he's getting so much on the side that he's ok with letting her think she's getting away with something. Again, none of my business.

I, however, would put her ass out on the spot. I have a rule about 'friends' of the opposite sex, so this would have been nipped in the bud either way.

[–]ontay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It all comes down to, dont do anything you would get mad at me for doing.

[–]Nagger_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think your taking an extremely impulsive take on this situation, you don't know their lives. He was the man of honor. If the husband had full knowledge of it then why the fuck not? You don't know their lives, but on the other hand, she is almost required to relay this information to her husband. Because it is out of the ordinary and not being transparent about it is suspect.

[–]swallowpls 2 points2 points [recovered]

my mom would do the same to my wife if this happened. love you mommmmy

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[–]c8a8 5 points6 points  (19 children)

No where in the post did it say they slept in the same bed.

[–]watersign 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is why women need to be disciplined

[–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who are we kidding, she was fucking him, or will be very soon.

MIL knows a cunt when she sees one. Her BB husband is an idiot.

[–]rahul047 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't the husband defend his wife by telling his mum that it's her best friend? I think she was the one who walked out if I read it correctly.

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