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A downright delusional article by a columnist for The Guardian, described as "a 50-year-old divorcee who has embarked on an enlightening journey into online dating in the perhaps irrational hope of finding true love":

https://archive.today/y75lz

It's been a week of gloomy thoughts about what one applicant called "the packaging". In fact, he wasn't an applicant. He wrote specifically to tell me he wasn't. "It's a shame I don't fancy you," he said, "because otherwise you tick all the boxes." Another said I sounded nice, but added: "Though unfortunately I have stringent physical criteria."

She may be going on fifty, but she seems as perplexed by her findings as though she was just born yesterday:

There seems to be a gender imbalance, vis-a-vis the packaging thing. All the women I know are tolerant of middle age showing itself in a chap. We quite like a late flowering, in fact: the silvering, the smile lines, the coming of bodily sturdiness. We read these as signs that life has been lived and enjoyed. We read them as indicators of substance, of being substantial. In general, men don't seem to grant us the same courtesy, at least not the men I meet online. They are highly focused on the packaging. It's disheartening.

She hasn't even the most rudimentary grasp of evolutionary psychology, or the asymmetric realities of SMV that her grandmother likely could have explained to her. She goes on:

"I bet you were gorgeous when you were young," I was told recently, via message, like that was supposed to be a compliment. Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You're right, mate, you'd have much preferred me then. [...]

It's true that men don't see me any more. It's sobering to walk down the street observing how the 50-year-old men behave, paying attention to what they're looking at as they stroll along. They are not looking in shop windows. They are not looking at me. They are looking at women half their age.

She proceeds to seek reassurance from her male friend Jack, but finds none:

"You're not like that, though, are you? Given a choice, you'd pick the older, more interesting woman, the passionate, well-read, intrepid, low-maintenance woman."

"Nice of you to think so," Jack said. "But I'd go for the firm arse and tits, always, without question."

I expressed mild disgust.

Now, this is just one columnist, and one might imagine the article to be written to garner maximum attention. More pertinent are the copious Facebook comments on the article from women, in particular post-Wall women--their hamsters spinning furiously, utterly divorced from anything resembling reality:

https://archive.today/gC8Kl

Vicky: "I wonder if sometimes it's because articles like this and the constant onslaught of hot young women in the media make older women feel bad about themselves and so don't always carry themselves with the same amount of confidence. Maybe it's confidence that's the real key. Just a thought."

Emily: "Maybe the middle aged men who judge women on their looks and discount them purely for looking their age aren't worth worrying about anyway"

Eva: "Because they're shallow, insecure and need to prove something to themselves and others all the time. Most have an underdeveloped EQ."

Sophie: "Only the shallow and crap men do. And they are not the only men that exist. Far from it. It's the same media lie as women needing to worry about their appearance. All of this is only 1%of the reality"

Alessandra: "Difference in mental capabilites... Men's brains are so limited. Moreover, as their view starts to fade away, they need values that could be understandable by a teen ager. Luckily, older women don't find them interesting nor attractive too."

Naomi: "Because they're victims of the same vicious campaigns that claim a woman is at the height of her beauty when she's a size 6 and under 25. Many women spend their mature life trying to stay young, denying the grace in growing old - why would you expect men to know any better?"

Sophia: "To hell with what men want, we have for centuries been too taken up by what 'men want'-if we are 50 and love who we are, body and everything else included, then again i say "to hell with men"-i love me, i don't need them..and if i need a one-night stand i would look for the younger-than-myself dude! and why not? what applies to men, applies to me as well.."

Sol: "I'm about to be 40 this year. I cannot believe that in 2015 while the 'value' of men increases with age, ours, as women, decreases. The point is a man who is just interested is looks is not interesting to me. I want a partner with whom I can talk to, discuss ideas, enjoy all the benefits of having an experienced sexual/love life. The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?"

Jean: "I have a female friend (and of course the media), who tell me: 'Face facts you're past it'. And I think: past what? My life is full of stuff I still want to do, and all this fuss about loss of looks, just gets in the way, and is calculated to undermine my intent to be a force at any age."

And so on and so forth. There are some 1,000+ further comments I shan't bother to quote here. You surely get the gist.


[–]grewapair 195 points196 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

They don't get it. They got to "date up" in their 20s precisely because of the fact that older men only want twenty somethings. They had the attention of every twenty-, thirty- and forty something man, and even many 50 somethings.

As a result, if they were a 6, they got to date 8s, and more importantly, if they were a 6, they could treat a 6 guy like shit and have him kiss their asses.

Now they are 35+ and they get divorced and think "woo hoo, let's go find a 6 and treat him like shit!!" So if you make the mistake of taking out a 35+ woman, who of course WAS a 6 but is now a 4, and you WERE a 6 but are now a 7, she's going to treat you like shit. But don't worry, she'll demand time and $$ like you've never seen. Finest restaurants, bottles of wine, etc. Vacations at the top hotels. That's what you get for dating a 40 year old 4.

No one is going to tell them, "listen, I realize you were a 6, but you aren't any more. You'll NEVER be a 6 again in your life. There is literally nothing you could do. And for every 1 guy who might date you at your age, there's literally 100 of you. Either you stop making those fucking outrageous demands and go get me a beer, or fucking forget me even talking to you."

So I see my 35+ year old female friends just wondering why there's no interest. No one will tell them the truth, so they get madder and madder. "I used to treat guys like shit and they fawned over me but it's not happening -- assholes!"

Fuck that. I'm 53 and won't touch any one over 35. They get divorced and simply don't understand the world is a very different place from when they were 25. They want more but offer virtually nothing but headaches.

[–]DistantWinter 98 points99 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I just dropped a woman last week that behaved like this. I've been out of the game for over 15 years and was very perplexed on why she was expecting fancy dinners, expensive bottles of wine and such. Over conversation I find her ex husband was a very successful person and traded her in for a younger model.

She wasn't attractive at all. Her online profile looked great. In person I was very disheartened. Fat gut, hunch back, had a wandering eye too. Her demanding mannerisms and jealousy just made me laugh at her.

The pictures I had seen of her online were from 10 years ago when she was an easy 8. She was used to a very good life and now she looks like a used up troll expecting the same treatment. I had to tell her to leave and never to return.

15 years out of the game and I'm beginning to see I have many many options is life. This is no time to settle.

[–]TRP_James 54 points55 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I'm 22, almost 23.

Even the 20 somethings I go on dates with fuck with their profile pictures. I don't understand what they expect. Am I suppose to just 'forget' what you looked like on your profile?

Silly games only a child would play.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I feel for your brother. The 20s are a very tough age for guys. Things get waaay better after 30.

[–]trpdownunder 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Really man? Can you explain this concept a little more? I've been lurking for about a year and I've always come across the idea that after 30 things get a whole lot better for guys. But I've never really seen the logic behind this.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I should add this stipulation: your 30s will be better as long as you continue to work on yourself. That kind of work takes time.

It takes time to figure out a good, sustainable diet. It took me at least 8 years into my 20s. Before that, I either went broke trying to eat healthy or barely survived on ramen.

It takes time to find an exercise routine that's realistic for you, one that you won't give up. It also takes time to see results.

It certainly takes time to move up in your career. I'm not a gifted genius, but the little bit of extra I've done at work plus seniority has gone a long way. I've finally learned to be punctual and professional, that's more than I can say for a lot of my colleagues and raises and promotions will happen when you work for the right organization.

Heck, I've even learned how to style my receding hairline (started when I was 19).

Basically, the 30s are better because you become better at all the shit you fuck up on in your 20s. Meanwhile, all the dudes that got lucky with perfect bodies, money from their parents, and good looks only have one way to go (down), they never learn to be better because they started at the top in the first place. The dating market shifts in your favor. You've played the fool in your 20s, had awkward dates, and fell a little too hard for a few girls. Now you know better. Not just know, but really know. The kind of understanding that only comes with real life experience. Girls notice it.

[–]Philhelm 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An older man, assuming he has not let himself go, will likely have a higher SMV than his younger self. A 20-year-old man represents potential, while the older version could represent potential realized.

[–]human_bean_ 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You reap what you sow. You sow in your twenties. You reap in your thirties. If you don't keep improving and pushing yourself, all age will bring you is loneliness, bad health, drug addictions and misery.

[–]Newbosterone 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

With minimal investment, things get better after 30. Don't expect to coast and have the world handed to you.

RationalMale has a great description of SMV.

[–]RedHeimdall 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think mostly what these guys are talking about is MONEY... make that $$$ or at least get yourself setup to make it while you're in your 20s. My experience has been the exact opposite of this common wisdom, I killed it with chicks in my 20s and my 30s have sucked in comparison. But I think the main reason is that I'm only now seriously focusing on getting myself in a position to make $$$.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had an odd reversal of sorts. I matched with this average looking Korean chick on Tinder and we hit it off pretty well. Her Tinder pics were pretty bad, and I just humored it because w/e.

I ask for more pics and it's like she was fucking rusing me because she went from a 5 to a 7 automatically and I found out she works out everyday like I do. By this time I saw a "post workout pic" of her which persuaded me even more, and I set up a date immediately. We ended up meeting two consecutive weekends where we fooled around the first weekend and I took her virginity the second weekend.

I don't know if she was a virgin for real, but she was a freshman at a university and she came from a conservative Korean family. This was in my "not so quite" red pill days (aka I acted it sort of but didn't follow through 100%), and she actually dropped me to start hooking up dudes on the reg at her own university.

It's weird having a girl look worse in pictures, but better in real life haha.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're supposed to ignore what they look like IRL and focus on the manipulated tinder photo.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend got catfished HARD on tinder I swear to god she must of gained 40lbs in a year or two, luckily we were at a party so he was able to drop her in like 10secs but then she expected him to pay for her cab back lmao

[–]joeyjojosharknado 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amen brother. I became newly single two years ago at 42. I'd been out of the game for 15 years too and I thought it was all over for me. As it happens, and what a surprise this was to me, it's now me who is the hot commodity. 40+ is definitely the age for a man to be single.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you made that shit sound like an ancient fucking curse.

I told the fat troll to leave, never to return to THESE lands, again.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 31 points32 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's really curious how women become more jaded, bitter and demanding towards men as they age, as if that somehow increases their odds of finding a quality man. It strikes me that they've fooled themselves into thinking they appreciate in value like men with their travel stories and extensive cock-hopping experience.

Finding a bubbly, sweet 30+ year old is an effort in futility. If they don't have the thousand-cock stare they've got a collection of cats to listen to them bitch about men.

[–]GentleGiant350 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's called the alpha widow effect. Think of it this way: in everything else in life, you expect it to get better and better with age and experience right? You're going to live in a better house, drive a better car, have a better job? You know what I mean? The problem is is that with women, relationship wise and sexually speaking, it pretty much started going downhill the moment they started. This is the one case in the human situation where things don't get better the older and more experienced you get. A lot of women just simply can't understand that. You have to remember they've been fed the same blue pill that you were and that we all were. They believe the bullshit that their white knight fathers told him just as much as we did.

they just can't wrap their head around the fact that they missed the boat.I can understand that on a certain level, because the realization of what you missed would have to smart pretty bad.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine an A-level actor who used to make $20 million per picture but is now starting to age and gain a little weight.

He demands $25 million for his next picture since he figures he's worth more because of his experience, but the studios are only willing to pay him $15 million because he's not looking as good as he used to.

Now $15 million is not bad at all, but he's outraged that he's having to accept less, so he walks away rather than taking the $15 million paycheck.

Even if he does take the $15 million check, he's insulted that he has to stoop so low. He acts like a prima donna on the set and the studio swears to never work with him again once they part ways.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

being non-responsible is an addiction... some people never get free of it, to their own detriment

[–]FortunateBum 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's really curious how women become more jaded, bitter and demanding towards men as they age, as if that somehow increases their odds of finding a quality man.

Women basically treat men like total shit all the time. It's like background noise.

When they're young and hot and you're fucking them, you don't notice as much.

When you get older, you start to understand people better and realize that most women can't hold a conversation and treat everyone around them like total shit.

I truly don't think women change as they age. Teenage girls are the most sadistic creatures on earth.

Some women learn how to play the game faster and better than others. All they want is to manipulate you. If anything, older women are simply better at determining status and so "waste" their kind act less often.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 57 points58 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one is going to tell them, "listen, I realize you were a 6, but you aren't any more. You'll NEVER be a 6 again in your life. There is literally nothing you could do. And for every 1 guy who might date you at your age, there's literally 100 of you. Either you stop making those fucking outrageous demands and go get me a beer, or fucking forget me even talking to you."

Someone on this subreddit told a story about a frank discussion with a woman approaching 30. They went on a date and ended up at her place but she didn't want sex until the Nth date, where N would end up taking months. He decided to try to enlighten her instead of just walking out and had an honest RP discussion with her. He said something like: while you make me wait, the 21 year olds out there will have sex with me on the first date, so why should I choose you? She told him to get out.

I wish I could find the story again, it was a great one.

Edit: FOUND IT with some search-fu - it's called "A Tale of Two Women", a great post from /u/alfredthegreatest

As anyone that uses internet dating knows, it's very rare that a hot girl will actually send you a message unsolicited. When they do, I always put them at top priority for an actual date. It indicates a high level of interest, and in the past most of the best girls I've met online messaged me first. So, when I saw an unrecognized hot girl's image in my inbox, I was pleased.

Marissa is 31 years old. As consistent with redpill philosophy, I've noticed older women to fit all the stereotypes. They expect more. They appreciate less. They treat dates like job interviews. I was in an LTR with a woman three years older than myself during my mid-twenties (I'm 30 now) and I had more or less sworn older women off after that. But Marissa seemed cool, she was clearly interested, and could have easily passed for a hot 25 year old. Also, I didn't have anything else going on this Thursday night, so I scheduled a date with her at a sushi joint I like.

The date went well, despite Marissa hitting me with many job interview style questions about my life. It was all classic stuff for a woman her age, so I didn't think much of it. She was fun to talk to and seemed pleasant. Dinner was over, I made out with her a bit in the parking lot after walking her to her car, and the night was over. The last thing she said to me was “kissing on a first date? Oh, my.” I just laughed and walked away.

I set up a second date with her on Saturday. I would be picking her up this time, so I figured the chance of getting up to her apartment after dinner was pretty good. Things went pretty much as planned, and after a little resistance in my truck after dinner she agreed to let me come upstairs to drink the bottle of wine I just happened to have with me.

This is where things went south fast. As soon as we sit down on her couch with some wine it began.

Marissa: You're pretty forward.

Me: Yeah. What can I say? I like you.

Marissa: I'm looking for a relationship, not just some sex. The last guy I dated just wanted to have sex. He just lost interest when I didn't put out.

Me: Oooookay... Well, how many dates did you go on with him?

Marissa: Six. He was moving way too fast for me. Why are guys like that?

Me: What kind of guy was he? Like... Early to mid thirties, attractive and gainfully employed?

Marissa: Obviously. I wouldn't date a guy with less.

At this point I had to resist laughing. I could tell by her body language and tone that there was zero chance of me having sex with her that night. I also knew from her blabbering that six dates wasn't enough either. Normally in a situation like this I'd take one final pass at her and make an excuse to leave. But something happened... I had a terrible urge. I liked this woman. I wanted to help her. So I decided to tell the truth.

Clearly nobody had sat her down and explained to her that she was doing it wrong. But she still had a chance. If she could lock down a guy in the next few years she could still have that family she clearly wanted. Maybe I could help her understand?

Me: Listen, you've asked me a lot of questions about why guys do what they do. Do you want the truth?

Marissa: Yes! It's really cool to hear a guy's perspective on all this stuff.

Me: Okay. Clearly you want a relationship, not just sex. But for a guy to know if you're worth having a relationship with, he will want to have sex with you first. For guys it's sex first, relationship second.

Marissa: Not with me it isn't. I have standards.

Me: So you always wait at least seven dates to have sex with a guy?

Marissa: Well... Not all the time in the past, but now I do. I want to see if the guy really likes me. If he doesn't stick around it must mean he doesn't.

Me: The fact that this last guy you dated stuck around for six dates with no sex is an indication he probably did like you. Six dates and no sex will make a guy assume you aren't into them. You're setting yourself up for failure. The bottom line is that the guys you want to date can date women ten years younger than you. Those girls don't withhold sex. You do.

Marissa: I don't withhold anything! I just want to take it slow...

Me: The younger version of you is out there not taking it slow, and she's competing with you for the attention of guys like me. I'm not saying you have to go sleep with a guy after one or two dates... but seriously. You just talked to me for an hour about all the ways I'm not going to get to have sex with you. This is a red flag to a guy that just met you.

Marissa: It's late. I have breakfast with my mom tomorrow. You should go.

Needless to say this was our last date. The Redpill truth did not go over well.

I scheduled a date with Jane on Monday. She's fun, hot, and 22 years old. We were back at my place having crazy sex within three hours of meeting. She just spent the whole day with me yesterday fucking and watching Adult Swim cartoons.

Marissa thinks there is a guy out there that will choose six sexless, and expensive, job interview dates with her over six nights of eating in, watching movies, and fucking like rabbits. I tried to help this woman, but she will likely waste her last chances to find a decent mate and end up alone.

The lesson? Don't bother trying to explain Redpill reality to a woman. Your good advice will be always be ignored, and you will be punished for bearing bad news. Don't waste your date time on women older than their mid-twenties, no matter how appealing they might otherwise seem. The odds do not favour you having a good experience, and your time is too important to waste.

[–]pilledwillingly 22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've got a workmate who wines and dines his 45yo girlfriend. He's 50. He borrows money every week to keep her in the lifestyle she demands. Here's the kicker: He makes $2,500 a week.

[–]Luscious_Fox 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy Link

.....does she look like a 9/10 25y/o?

[–]1independentmale 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven't seen her, but I'll offer up a hearty "Hell no." She's straining the income of a 6 figure man, it doesn't matter what she looks like, the bitch ain't worth it. "The lifestyle she demands," indeed. There are younger, hotter girls available with none of her demands.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

at least they aren't married...he can't lose everything to her in a horrific divorce.

[–]SwissPablo 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You totally nailed it. "Where have all the good men gone?" is the lament of the woman who had access to all those "good men" in her 20s. Now they expect men to pay full price for second-hand goods and wonder why they'd rather go for something newer.

[–]a_nus4 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

My mom's 50 y/o and single. She has such high expectations from men it's ridiculous. She's dated millionaires and ripped guys, but never a ripped millionaire (which is what she's waiting for.)

Well her time is running out exponentially. I told her the other day straight up that no one her age is going to be attracted to her, let alone a younger, ripped millionaire. I told her her best bet is to find an old dude with money.

[–]grewapair 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what I would suggest to anyone 40 and over: find someone at least 60 years old. But of course, my jaw would hurt for a week if I dared to mention anything other than what they hear on facebook: You are AMAZING and DESERVE the very best, so I keep my mouth shut.

[–]OilyB 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, I'm seeing it happen all around me, and I'm the one who gets to be picky... I love being 48 man!

[–]doublereignbeau 243 points244 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That sweet sweet instance when the AF/BB strategy backfires and she's left with neither.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 92 points93 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It is some delicious schadenfreude. I savor it whilst banging someone her daughter's age.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why limit yourself. Go bang her daughter for bonus shadenfreude points.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have, it's fun, but mom always freaks out and wants me to herself. Shut up bitch, your daughter's mouth is full.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron333 points334 points  (108 children) | Copy Link

I always get a small tingle in me belly whilst reading this shit. It's nice to know that it all balances out in the end. As I get older, seeing girls I went to high school with age faster than a Mayfly. All the shitty behavior, bitchy attidudes, selfishness, rationalization, etc, it all comes full circle. While they become invisible, I'm becoming more and more apparent. I can pass for 5 or more years younger, they can pass for 10 years older.

It really is comical in a way, and to see reality slap them in te face so hard is like watching knockout videos on YouTube. You just wait in anticipation, because you know it's coming at any minute.

[–]watersign 65 points66 points  (62 children) | Copy Link

word is bond dude! I can pass for 19 or 20 and im in my late 20s. shits just getting better for me!

[–]1oldredder 78 points79 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Same here, pass for 22-28 and I'm 38. I see the single moms who are 10 years younger than me but look 10 years older than me and I laugh a little inside. Is it wrong to feel an evil glee at how well aging treats the holder of XY? Too damn bad.

Women get a pussy pass on XX for a shit ton of things. But one thing counts above all: TIME. Your aging. Your life essence.

Too fucking bad. We got this one, gents.

[–]redzorp 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To give you younger guys even more hope (of what is possible) - I'm 49 and can easily pass for 35. Some say I could pass for 30, even under 30, but I won't personally claim that much. Helps that I have deep brown skin (similar to black don't crack I guess).

Eat right. Work out. Make money.

Your SMV will continue to rise well into your 40s, while all those hotties you went to high school with start to fall off a cliff as early as 28.

When I was 17, I clearly remember some of my sister's friends who were 19-20 at the time, and hot. Recently met up with them at a funeral. They're early 50s now and look like dumpy grandmas! Meanwhile, I'm overall more attractive than what I looked like as a teenager.

It does indeed all balance out in the end. In fact, I would go further and say that men have the upper hand, by far, when you look at the totality of life.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 14 points15 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

[–]JayViceroy 34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I applaud this anecdotal evidence about a very select few women, however I would also bet that there's a bunch of wrinkly asses and flapjack titties under a lot of those dresses.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I work as a massage therapist and can say over the thousand of bodies I have touched, it's not a race thing.. it's all to do with genetics.. some people age well, most dont... but I have found that black men and women have better moisturized skin... maybe that why they have less wrinkles in general... I have worked on a few 40 year olds with absolutely stunning bodies... but they worked for them, and ate correctly.

[–]GREF_ 23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]NeverQuit69ing 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Let's have an honest discussion about this. How much does lotion prevent the signs of aging?

[–]GREF_ 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How well you age is part genetics and part how well you take care of your self.

I've met a few dermatologists. Everyone of them said UV rays and dryness are main causes of skin deterioration.

[–]kratol17 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Black people don't visibly age as much, because their skin is far more protected by being black.

It's like being asian.

White people have it bad unfortunately. The aging I'm seeing in all of my white women peers compared to my asian / black ones is pretty sad :(

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Melanin color can range from yellow to black. They protect you from uv rays.

That's why when a white from the north goes to Jamaica they come back looking ghoulish if they don't use sunscreen.

[–]Grasshopper21 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Asian men age. Asian women stay 18 then hit menopause and suddenly turn ancient.

[–]coffeesomebody 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The fuck you talking about? All asian guys I know in their 30s (and I know a lot) all look like they're in their 20s. Asians tend to age well and have fast metabolisms

[–]Grasshopper21 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference between 2nd and 3rd isn't that big.

[–]orangebeans2 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

21 pages of ads for one article.

[–]1oldredder 6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

upvote for truth - especially on that Halle Berry.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 11 points12 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Angela Bassett is 55?!! GTOF How is it possible she looks so good at that age?

If that 50 y.o. columnist looked like Angela Bassett, she would not be having any problems dating.

[–]1oldredder 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ya. I just checked, Strange Daze was 1995 if you can fucking believe it. 20 years later and doing pretty damn good, she is.

[–]alecesne 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

At the same time, in the U.S., black chicks in their 20's are often overlooked or seen as 2nd best. Again, its a trade-off.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I am not sure what you mean by it is a trade off.

Who wouldn't take a beautiful black woman?

[–]alecesne 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What I mean is, as black women are often stigmatized while young, but don't hit the wall as hard in their 30's.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

so it is disgraceful to date a fine looking black woman

[–]ex_astris_sci 2 points3 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Time hasn't really been on Jagger's side, looks-wise.

[–]1oldredder 12 points13 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

hahah - then again, given all that he's actually been through in his life that should have killed him, maybe it is. He was born in 1943 after all. Then again... Patrick Stewart seems to barely age at all. I can't imagine him young but he never seems to get older and he's born 1940.

Thankfully there's Google image search so I don't have to try to just envision it.

[–]kratol 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think a big part of aging for men is going bald. Once you go bald you've went up in an age category. After that is graying hair and the condition of your skin.

Also actors make money on their looks, so it would make sense that they would spend more on that in time and money than the average person.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

True. I'll never go bald but my hair will thin. My dad's did so I can expect the same. I'm already noticing the early signs.

As for bald... Patrick Stewart rocks it. He knows the way.

[–]switchme808 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]GSpotAssassin 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boob size from the father's mother.

It's a tangled web we weave

[–]torodinson 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, it is fifty fifty, since your mom has 2x chromosomes, and you will get one of them (it could have come from her mother or father). That is also only one gene responsible for baldness there are others.

[–]dntdxxmbr 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

no absolutely not. The male has XY so his son HAS to carry the father's Y chromosome. The X must then come from the mother, and may be seen in her brothers, so look to your uncles on your mothers side for the expression of X linked genes in the males of your family.

[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good news for me. Mine is 80 years old and still has a full head. Not even thinning.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

seems unbelievable to me - never seen a man go bald except if his father did too.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Going bald is about owning it.

You don't want a George Costanza look... You want a Walter White look.

[–]GentleGiant350 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think Marlboro man. Some weathering on a man's face isn't necessarily bad. Neither is gray (George clooney).

[–]ex_astris_sci 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes, there are many actors who are aging remarkably well- like Keanu Reeves and Tom Cruise (both in their 50's).

[–]1nzgs 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That has more to do with the magic of supplemental low-dose growth hormone.

[–]ex_astris_sci 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hm does it? Any actual "success" stories? (I mean personal/friends' experience, not studies)

[–]1nzgs 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's like asking if there are any success stories linking testosterone supplementation to muscle gain. It's common knowledge that HGH improves regeneration and maintaining youthful IGF-1 levels. Celebrities, musicians and actors have been using this stuff ever since it was synthesised in the 90s. A few of them have been busted with it. Anti-ageing doctors are basically HGH dealers for the rich and the famous.

[–]seddition 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I look ten years younger than most of my friends. Coincidentally I am the only one who has taken PED's on and off for the last decade. Could be I just have good genes, or it could be that taken a test cycle twice a year keeps you young

[–]ex_astris_sci 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Could be I just have good genes

Cool. Do your parents and/or grandparents look younger than their age?

Any favourite PEDs?

[–]seattleron20 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Hell yeah. So glad I'm a dude. Most guys look way younger than they are, and the opposite is true for most women. We didn't make the rules, but if we're smart the rules can work in our favor.

[–]watersign 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Living by these words for the next few years or so ..Disregard females, acquire currency.

[–]pilledwillingly 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've never been guessed at over 23, and I'm nearly 29. Hell I didn't start shaving until 21. Girls my age didn't give a fuck about me at 18. They had their 23-28 year old boyfriends, I looked 16, not a chance. Now I'm dating a 19 year old and the girls on facebook from high school are locking in 36 year olds. Not difficult to see how it's going to go.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am always told 25-27, I am 31. It's very satisfying still getting 18-24 yr olds on a regular basis.

[–]1independentmale 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman just the other day told me I looked like a college student. I'm 37. Feels good man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I definitely hit the genetic jackpot when it comes to that. In my late 20s and I look 10+ years younger without a beard. Didn't get the balding gene so I'll be in my prime for at least 15 more years. Only thing that will slow me down is gray hair.

[–]199639 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Didn't get the balding gene

You sure you're out of the woods already?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess you can never be sure, but every male in my family was already noticeably balding by my age and I still have a full head of hair.

[–]torodinson 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Grey hair can look awesome. I hope to rock the salt and pepper some day. The silver back is the alpha odd the primate world.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can dye grey hair, that's not as bad as hair loss, although grey hair can look good even.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She freely admits when she was younger she was "gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull". In her 20's and declining into 30's, she would have been the one with the upper hand, playing the game for all it's worth. Now the tables have turned. Seems like fair play to me - nature balancing its books.

[–]Wings_of_pain 38 points38 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Dude I thought it wasn't real until I saw a gf I had from high school (my first) on Instagram and bruh she went from 165ish to 265ish and all across her Instagram are pictures about 'real woman have curves', 'only real men can handle her' etc etc. when I was in high school I was a power lifter but didn't watch my weight and got fat. I was strong as shit but fat. She left me and broke my pathetic little heart and went for the guy with a car and more experience with women although he was very 'beta' in his behavior (passive, shy amongst men, skinny fat). But now she's 25 and I'm 21 and I've dropped 60 lbs and have hit 400 on bench at 210 and although I'm not rolling in cash or the most ripped stud I've been in university, and I've made gains in the gym and stopped being strait up obese.

Anyway this girl was so stuck up and I felt like shit that she fucked another guy but now she so fucking fat not even the most shameless dude would smash and I can't help but feel disgusted by her. She was so full of herself back when I was with her because she was Amber rose thick but because she ate like shit, drank, and hoed around instead of doing anything recreational she has nothing to show for anything in her life. No college. No decent body. Not interesting, educated or anything else worth talking about. This girl showed me how not only are these things real but it's sometimes isn't enough to make them realize they are nothing and they retain, somehow, that same sense of conceit and arrogance.

Ps. Sorry I know it sounds like hate but it's personal and although I've read the stories here on redpill, I truly couldn't appriciate until it happened in my life.

[–]ostroman1989 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

its a common story thats personaly satisfying as it helps men to undo their ties with their worthless pasts.

but its really bad news since it would be better if men were putting in the effort still but all women were pretty and smart with properly functioning hypergamy drive that helps them lock out a successful role in life that benefits their man too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Holy crap... 165 pounds? She started big. Unless she's really tall, and even then, taller people tend to be thinner and the tall girls I know who are not fat don't come very close to that mass, even with a lot of muscle.

[–]Wings_of_pain 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Well she was my height 5'11

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, yeah, that's really tall for a woman. Still, 165 pounds at that height... looking at mybodygallery. com, I'd say that either makes her a bit heavier-set (and it does seem that a lot of guys are into that, such as the example below of Amber Rose - waaaaay too much thickness and body fat for my tastes, but that just means a guy who likes that isn't in competition with me for her) or a bit, ah, 'fluffy.' I understand that a lot of guys find 'fluffy' attractive, I'm not going to piss on anyone's tastes, but I'll admit to my eyes that makes a girl look big to me and I find it hard to be attracted to that consistently if at all.

I'm also working on the idea that medium builds cluster around medium heights, and taller is on average slimmer, while shorter is often thicker. That is before accounting for body fat. A 5'11" girl who is 165 pounds seems very unlikely to be on the good end of the body fat scale to me (for example, I know a 5'10" 150 pound girl, who has a bust and good curves and very fit and toned muscles and is not super-slim but rather a medium build). Of course these numbers mean very little out of context so I cannot really say much that is meaningful. She could well have had a rocking body at her original weight, or maybe you have different tastes, or both. I assumed she was taller than the average 5'4" girl but would not have guessed such an extreme height.

I only even comment on things like this because it kind of alarms me how slim, lithe, slender or even medium women of good body fat ratios are becoming so scarce in my society - especially when you look at it as a function of age. The vast majority of 165 pound girls are overweight. A 5'11" one might be, might not be, and either way, what I consider overweight for my sexual tastes could be different from your attraction parameters.

[–]pcadrian15 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I especially like the question at the end. Should I be prepared to change? In the entire 50 years she spent on this planet, it hasn't occurred to her that she needs to work on herself so men find her attractive and want to stick around.

[–]marty2k 28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's the way it works, man. Women are valued for beauty, men are valued for their skills and personality. Men get more attractive as they age, women get less. Most women are only attractive from 16-35 (if lucky), men can be attractive from 16-70 if they play their cards right. It's like the difference between someone winning the lottery when they're young and someone investing and saving from a young age. The lottery winner will have a hell of a time for a few years, but will be back at McDonalds with no job prospects and no life while the guy who invested and saved will be set for life.

I'm lucky, everyone in my family has a full head of hair that is still mostly the same color after 50, take care of myself, and I have a bit of a baby face. I'll be pulling hot 20-30 year old girls (maybe fuck some desperate 40 year old on my off days) until my dick doesn't work.

[–]brodybrooklyn 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, I feel you. My grandfather is 80 and and has lots of hair on his head. Barely any sign of balding. So was my father, at 50, had full dark hair.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't whether or not you'll bald determined by your maternal grandfather's hair?

[–]brodybrooklyn 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

As far as scientist studies go, no single gene has been found to be the sole responsible. It can be inherited from either the mother's or father's side. Among other factors. Luckily, my other grandfather had plenty of hair on his head till late in his life, too.

[–]Noctis_Cloud 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if you do go bald just shave your head and grow a beard. Easy fix.

Women go bald...well...yeah.

[–]thederpist666 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I remember I went to a place and asked a woman if she was a 20 something year old's mom. Apparently they were around the same age. It was embarrassing, but I can't help laugh looking back at it and how some people really let themselves go.

[–]seattleron 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Meanwhile, I bet you look younger than your age.

[–]thederpist666 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I can't tell if that's an insult or a compliment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Compliment. I just meant you probably aged better than her.

[–]thederpist666 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks man. I'm in my mid twenties so hopefully I haven't aged too much yet, although I see some women I knew when I was younger in their 20's that look like complete shit now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You could probably pass for 19 if you tried.

[–]thederpist666 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some people thought I looked older, but I think that's just cuz my face looks more mature. I looked a lot younger when I was super skinny and before I lifted.

[–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Almost exactly ten years after high school I ended up fucking a woman that I had been attracted to back in high school but wouldn't have given me the time of day back then. We were only 27-28 at that point, so she wasn't haggard yet, but it felt good knowing which way the wind was blowing. It was disappointing though that she wasn't even a good lay. Oh well.

[–]Super-Saiyajin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in this position right now... With a few women....

They have kids....

Should I do it? Any regrets?

I have a talent for knowing if a girl gives good head... They both look like they could have a PHD in sucking dick....

Decisions...Decisions...

[–]the99percent1 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't be so harsh on them... They are also following the bluepill mentality and never had guidance from a proper fatherly figure.

Their entitlement will be the source of so much of their unhappiness later on in life. As someone who can empathize, that feeling must be so dreadfully awful. Not funny at all.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, it "balances out in the end". But isn't it sad that it has to, that everyone has to have their shitty period in life? It didn't need to turn that way, everything was going relatively fine, then women asked for feminism and men gave it to them. It's self-engineered misery.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly. But that's how they wanted it. Careful what you wish for.

[–]ostroman1989 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the irony is the harder they try to look young superficially the deeper men look and the more effort they need to put up just to maintain their fragile ego as their friends put on more and more layers of makeup, and recently yearly visits to phototherapy/mesotherapy and other specialized stuff.

it won't stop until freshly minted faces will be told they look 'tired' in this century... we need to help them, lets invent ways to make motivated women in their 20s and 30s look like teenagers.

after all they helped us become more 'productive' and 'aggressive' in the last century to appease their appetites.

[–]JerfFoo -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you're a fit stud, and that's good for you. Pretty sure this lady isn't talking about you though. Maybe you haven't seen most 50 year olds, but most women AND men at 50 are slobs or at least aren't putting in the effort to stay in shape. When 50-year-old-slobs are passing up their peers to drool in the direction of 20 somethings they'll never have a chance with there's something perverse going on.

I guess I'll add this, obviously I'm not talking about people who are fooling around and people who have kinks/fetishes.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not about what people look like at 50, it's about the shock that she is no longer looked at as a sexual being. There aren't any men writing these articles, because they knew the truth all along: you have to put forth an effort for people to want you. This woman thinks she should just exist and have options. That's not how it works, and this was about her revelation of that fact, it wasn't about her age, it was about her lack of understanding of how it works in reality.

[–]JerfFoo -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not about what people look like at 50.

you have to put forth an effort for people to want you.

The fact you don't think being physically fit doesn't make you a sexually desirable person leads me to think you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not saying it's the only factor, but it is one.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where did I say that? I said quite the opposite.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 81 points82 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

"Nice of you to think so," Jack said. "But I'd go for the firm arse and tits, always, without question."

This is the hard truth that she and many other women need to hear.

[–]1Zackcid 42 points43 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was quite surprised by his frank, honest answer... But then I remembered that he's talking to a 50-year old. He ain't got shiieet to prove anymore!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The older you get, the less fucks you have to give.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Before they frivolously divorce the man they have. But "you go girl" sounds so much better to them than reality.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

many other women need to hear.

What's sad though is that for all these articles that get written, it seems that none of them actually say, "hey young women, listen up, you need to find a good man and lock him down!"

Every single one of these articles that I see is about shaming and criticizing men.

[–][deleted] 143 points144 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I laughed when the first writer said she looks for the "silver foxes . . . the tall well-travelled well-used ones." As we know, all guys are tall and keep a beautiful head of hair as they age. /s

In reality she's doing exactly the same damn thing its just her criteria is a little less obvious. Solipsism at its finest, gentlemen.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that. She's still ignoring the majority of men her age, and then complaining when the top 20% are enjoying the top 20%.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And meanwhile she makes this contradictory statement.

All the women I know are tolerant of middle age showing itself in a chap.

Yeah, they'll tolerate it for beta bucks once they've been kicked off the carousel.

[–]Vid-Master 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, being tall and handsome and acting / looking like George Clooney is the most attractive possibility for an older man.

The extreme muscles don't really do it anymore, the money and "sharp and clean" look do.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think extreme muscles ever "did it". Ideally you should be aiming for a balanced physique with proportional muscle development and low body fat. Then again I would say do whatever makes you happy and confident as that is the real purpose of lifting.

[–]dicklord_airplane 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep. a total lack of self-awareness.

[–]jamoni22 139 points139 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Bet her ex husband is laughing his ass off in bed with the babysitter.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRSGcx9uvTk but which laugh does is he doing?

[–]Blake55 57 points58 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I bet you were gorgeous when you were young"

That is the greatest neg I have ever heard of.

[–]reddishman 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit you are right ! Say this to a 21 yo and you are gold !

[–]averageredditor123 104 points105 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

There probably are older men who would date her, but she's ignoring them because they aren't attractive enough. So there's the irony.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Or they are not using online dating to find women her age

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 35 points36 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Both. The entitled cunts online want Sean Connery but they look like Melissa McCarthy with wrinkles. The guys who have value don't bother online, we are out fucking girls half our age that we keet in person. The guys trying online are desperate losers she won't fuck even if they pay her.

A bro of mine is ten years older than me, he married his 3rd wife, previous two died, and the chick he uas now had to be an 8 when I was in grade school. She is five inches taller than him, he's fat and bald, isn't close to retirement. She lowered her standards so as to not be alone. Most bitches won't. Let them be lonely, I'm not.

[–]Purecorrupt 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sidenote not totally related - I'm starting to look at taller girls (5'7"-10") myself. I'm 5'9" and they seem to be a lot more available. It only makes sense if the proportion of tall males and females are equivalent and men that are 6'0" take girls that are 5'4" and under there has to be a disparity. Then again 5" difference with the female being taller seems to be a bit of a stretch.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been sticking to girls between 5'5 and 5'8 they fit pretty good in bed, are usually too tall for the over 6' guys, and are easy. Occasionally one outside that range filters through, but I like em between 5'6 and 5'7 best. Tall and thin, and half my age. I'm 5'8, my bud is 5'5 and she is taller than I am. The wedding pics make it obvious, and she wore flat shoes.

[–]tropicalpolevaulting 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh there are a lot of men her age willing to date her, but you wanna bet they're "not her type"? No degree/social status/money/whatever else is on her list, so they're invisible...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the real kicker. A 45 year old woman who won't date anyone over 46, because the just don't do anything for her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

they aren't looking at me

The sole reason for this solipistic hamster rant. She wouldn't have written this 20 years ago for her older sisters while still on the cock carousel, that's for sure.

[–]AnotherLostCause 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She has an article on the manosphere as well. She knows why she has no value, her hamster just wont accept it. TRP is hard for men; imagine having to accept you screwed you life by listening to "you go girl" nonsense in your twenties and there is nothing you can do to change that. Men at any age still have self improvement.

[–]1raceAround126 74 points75 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Most have an underdeveloped EQ

I have found my midrange has tailed off as I got older. This article is funny though. Maybe if she spent some time in the gym things would be a little different for her.

As for the comments, I bet most of those women at 25 said the same shallow shit to some overweight orbited too. "If only I fancied you" or "I'm shallow. I can't help it!"

Just deserts bitches!

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 29 points30 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Desserts*

A useful mnemonic device for that is that Sahara only has one S, and therefore so does desert. Not disregarding the rest of your post, just trying to help you be the best you can be.

But to comment on that, it's likely that her problem is, in fact, just desserts. Maybe if she laid off she wouldn't get passed by quite so often.

Edit: Autocorrect made me look real learnt

[–]PickItUp-PutItDown21 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's actually "just deserts", with one S. In this case "desert" referring to "that which one deserves"

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh. I didn't know that. Thanks public school.

[–]pilledwillingly 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

'Pneumonic device'.... that's pretty ironic right?

[–]CAPSLOCK44 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You want two desserts, and only one desert, right?

[–]gg_s 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I like dessert because it is so, so good."

[–]torodinson -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What would you want two helpings of, deSSert of course.

[–][deleted] 124 points125 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

blahblahblah. im a woman, hear me complain. nag nag nag. waaa waaa waaa.

[–]ShitArchonXPR 21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

"I bet you were gorgeous when you were young," I was told recently, via message, like that was supposed to be a compliment. Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You're right, mate, you'd have much preferred me then.

Damn right I would have fuck the shit out of her. Just gag her while having sex, it becomes 300% hotter. I should know, I'm into BDSM

What makes her think I want to be around women for their personality? Their personalities are shit.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If she has one, she's been cultivating it for all of...5 years? She has the personality of a 9 year old boy.

[–]ShitArchonXPR 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As far as platonic interests are concerned, I'd much rather hang out with a 9-year-old boy; at least we could play Call of Duty or something instead of having them get offended at me for no good reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I probably would, too. His goal would be to have fun instead of getting validation for himself. God they are selfish creatures. Of course our society made them that way, so there's no point in getting mad at natural human reaction to events, but still...

[–]NueLife2 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull.

Now that the turkey neck has kicked in, she's only self-absorbed, shallow, inexperienced, over-sensitive and dull.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"It's disheartening that [wealthy, powerful, high-status] men in their 50s seem so focused on looks... They are not looking at me. They are looking at women half their age."

I'm sure there are plenty of 50-something men are looking at her, but since they aren't investment bankers they might as well be wallpaper to her.

[–]Iloveyou-Iknow59 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

Men are programmed to be attracted to young and fertile women. 2 million years of evolution and she comes up with "I m smart, cultured but men don't like me anymore, men are pedophiles"

It doesnt matter whether it is 2015, BC6000 or 34.520 the year of the laser mars colonization wars. As a female she has a ticking clock that says "find a mate and give birth before 40, or your genes wont be transferred to the next generation and you will die infertile"; this clock along with the "build a career and become financially independent before you give birth" obligation, becomes a time conflict for women. There you have idealist (settle down and fulfill your biologic duty to your species asap!") and the realist (make a career, get a good job; you can support your man, or think about a child only then if you are still fertile). Vin DiCarlo explains this well.

I love women, I have no bitter feelings against them at all, they are the reason I have read on and practiced attraction and seduction; but they have to face the fundamental facts that;

1- Attraction is not a choice, it's an evolutionary process that makes sure you mate with the partner with the best genes. You can't choose who you will fall in love with consciously, your DNA do that for you. 2- Males of the homo sapiens species are attracted to fertile females who look healthy. It's up to you to project physical health, and fertility. 3- Females have a biological clock that makes them infertile after menopause. Your biological obligation to your species is to give birth before that. This is why orphanages are a thing and women try everything including artificial insemination and other treatments to have their own child before having to adopt a cute, poor little child from an orphanage. (This is the easiest genetical obligation to ignore for us men. I am programmed to desire sex with all attractive females I see, but not to have children and bring them up myself.)

[–]dicklord_airplane 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's not just male humans who are instinctually driven to seek young fertile females. this is how all male mammals behave. i wish that people could step out of our human narcissism and look at ourselves as another species on planet earth. sex and romance make a lot more sense when you do so.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is an older documentary series by a guy named Desmond Morris. Some of the science is a bit dated (1994), but overall it is very good, and highly informative. Produced by the BBC.

Just did a search for it, and here it is. I think it is exactly what you are looking for. Fucking fascinating stuff.

The Human Animal

Edit; it explores all facets of humanity from the perspective of a Zoologist studying an animal. Body language, sexuality. Going to have to watch it again myself since discovering TRP, see how it holds up. I do know that a large number of people absolutely hated it, mostly Christians.

[–]pissoutofmyass 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Not only that, but most of our sexual behaviors and preferences are much older than just our species and can likely be traced back to man's first sexual ancestor, which we share with all other sexually reproducing species. These preferences are billions of years old.

[–]Thor_The_Dog 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hundreds of millions would be a stretch. Billions is ludicrous

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

hundreds of millions seems reasonable to me - you go three hundred million years back and you're still dealing with land animals with functional eyes. We could easily test this

[–]Thor_The_Dog 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, billions is my issue. What test do you have in mind?

[–]2alisonstone 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why guys pay for do stuff for girls, pay for dinner, etc, he is purchasing fertility. They only do it because high quality eggs have a lot of value. If a woman does not have eggs any more, there is no reason for guys to give her special favors any more. She can still date, but she has to bring stuff to the table. There are some men who don't want kids (or don't want any more kids). She'll have to be a great companion. There are some men who are not financially stable and need a two income household. She'll have to spend money on the relationship, not have money be spent on her.

A woman who is not young and fertile cannot expect men to keep giving her stuff just because she exists. She is now a "strong, independent woman", whether she likes it or not and she has to earn her way through the world like a man would (sperm is cheap as it is constantly produced, men just shoot it all over the place for fun).

[–]watersign 115 points116 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

What women go through after they hit the wall is what 80% of men go through until they're about 30 before they see the light at the end of the tunnel, if they aren't totally blue pill.

With todays over indulgence in social media, I think in the future you will see a high suicide rate amongst many women because the constant validation will go from over-bearing to completely non-existent.

THE RED PILL.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 80 points81 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

After I dumped my cheating ex she went suicidal. Don't think she would have gone through with it, but family members would call me saying she hasn't eaten in days, always crying, etc. And this was months after we broke up. Some women just can't handle the fact that their magical pussy powers won't solve all problems

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 49 points50 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think in the future you will see a high suicide rate amongst many women because the constant validation will go from over-bearing to completely non-existent.

Nah, they will just "almost kill themselves" so then they do get some attention. Most women are too pussy shit to actually kill themselves.

What women go through after they hit the wall is what 80% of men go through until they're about 30 before they see the light at the end of the tunnel, if they aren't totally blue pill.

Nobody gives a fuck about men, including the majority of men. Nut up and shut up only goes one way.

A woman's crying? Poor woman. A man's crying? What a bitch. That sentiment is shared by both sexes. People have less sympathy for men. People care less about men. Men are disposable to everyone. Wombs are precious. An infertile woman is basically a man, and even then they get an easier time of it. Welcome to our world lady. Don't be mad the guys who were never worth a shit worked their asses off to be something in the world. They're the winners. You're a loser because you got drunk on the power of your feminine youth and thought it would last forever. These bitches really have no fucking idea at all. Easier to just blame everything on men rather than self-reflect on your poor life choices, which of course, is what the majority of women do. I know if I do badly in life then that's my fault. I don't blame the nearest woman, or an ex-girlfriend, or the women around me at present. Women would rather blame anyone other than themselves for their own shortcomings. I guess realising you're a piece of shit is difficult when you're so emotionally volatile.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 27 points28 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I actually hope there are not mass suicides among older women. My mom is an older woman.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom (who divorced my dad nearly 20 years ago) was very attractive when young. She barely had to work in her life and only recently got her first higher paying job and has been paying her own way after spending most of it ripping people off. She's also raging alcoholic for reasons this article and commentators point out.

[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At least she still has a (strong?) man in her life. You. Many of these women don't have that.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

My mom is dead already, she was 67. I don't mind at all if they start offing themselves, they made the shitty choices they can live with the consequences.

[–]gg_s 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They'll never make the connection. All the misery they suffer will be blamed on an evil society who hath betrayed them. They will kick and fuss well into old age until society makes it right and gets them their pony.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It always worked before, why change because you're supposed to have grown the fuck up? Some of them are aware, and know what they did mattered, and what they do now does as well. Most will just bitch and complain expecting someone to give them free shit like happened when they were 22.

[–]RedPillGold 18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You sound extremely bitter

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You sound extremely naive. If a bitch is my age and single it's because she made shitty choices. When I made bad decisions in my life I had to live with it, they get no sympathy from me.

You can sympathize all you want, I just laugh and fuck their 21 year old daughter.

[–]RedPillGold 30 points31 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You talk about your own mother dying with little emotion and then go on to say you wouldn't mind if older women started committing suicide.

Also you make yourself sound naive by accusing me of being naive just from a single sentence.

Edit: spelling

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

His mom is dead and gone already. It's the same reason I don't shed tears when I talk about my grandma.. Tears have already been shed.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Mom never really gave a shit about me, so what. It doesn't make someone bitter, not someone like me anyway, it made me independent and tough. I had to earn everything in life, usually with people trying to hold me back, so I have little sympathy for someone who has shit handed to them, squanders it, then whines about it.

More men kill themselves daily than women do yearly, those men don't mean shit to anyone, why should a wrinkled old divorced bitch mean more?

The bitter part is where the naive comes in, it's a bullshit shaming tactic used by girls and loser males. Saying "you're bitter" when you really have simply learned that women are untrustworthy, as opposed to be special snowflake Disney Princesses we are told they are, isn't bitterness, it's education and experience. Bitterness would be hating women, I simply don't care about them. They love it when I don't give a shit, so I don't.

[–]R4F1 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

True facts. Women have more suicide attempts, but men have more successful suicides. Nobody seems to give a shit, meanwhile the girls are doing it for the attention and hogging it all up.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That and nobody gives a shit about men unless they were paying the bills.

[–]Bascome 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They still don't care about those men they just care the bills are no longer paid, but you know that.

[–]le_king_falcon 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You won't see a high suicide rate among women. They already attempt it way way more often than men yet far fewer actually finish the deed.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's frustrating to see how American women hate developed rational males who are also very successful

It's good to see how women hate beta bux. It's painful, but at least we won't continue laboring under the belief they actually like betas.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

American women hate developed rational males who are also very successful

The most important thing you can do is try to figure out what a girl wants before you approach her. And adjust yourself so that you present that image.

You're right that a lot of younger, hotter girls aren't going to find traits like "rational" and even "successful" very attractive (you go a little too far saying they hate it though). The reason is that those traits are a dime a dozen in the market they're living in. Tons of rich guys approach them every day. You don't stand out.

But check this out - if you can bring yourself to be a badass when you approach her, then once you've got her hooked if you reveal that you're smart and successful, she'll love it. Because lots of other guys that she found attractive ended up being losers. So now you stand out.

On the other hand, since you mentioned being 30, if you were to grab a buddy and hit up a wine bar tonight right after work, you're going to find lots of women right around 30 that actually do find "smart" and "successful" attractive in and of themselves (of course, that's because they've dated so many bad boys that they've gotten tired of it, but whatever).

You have to adjust your approach to fit the girl.

[–]1oldredder 67 points68 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

A shame bees don't waste their time pollinating dead flowers too.

Oh, bees know better because it's the natural order and actually works?

Too fucking bad, then. Looks like she can't even find some bees for her bonnet. I guess she'll have to go to box wine & cats.

[–]Elodrian 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is a very awkward analogy. Bees don't deliberately pollinate flowers at all. They gather resources from flowers, and flowers exploit the bee's activity to pollinate one another. From the bee's perspective, pollination is a side-effect, not the goal.

[–]1oldredder 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bees deliberately GET from flowers what they need; pollination happens as a result; and dead flowers have nothing to offer.

The goal is unimportant here. What's important is old women are dead flowers, nothing to offer to anyone, anywhere, any time no matter what, accidental, goal, side-effect, anything.

[–]1Dev_on 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

way to miss the point of an illustrative example.

[–]Rougepellet 37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men's brains are so limited.

Explains why the greatest strategists, philosophers and scientists were mostly men. if thats just a man's limited brain women must have IQs of 250+

[–]BlueInq 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't you see... Who has been behind all the great disasters throughout history? It's been men every time! It was a man that was piloting the Hindenburg. It was a man that decided to invade Russia in 1941. It was a man that decided New Coke was a good idea.

I think she is onto something here, we should welcome this new era of enlightened women leading the way.

[–]torodinson 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah because men have been doing stuff.

[–]Waldo00 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sophia is gold.rest are nuts. Yeah men are fucking assholes for being attracted to certain things. Fuck those shallow simple beings. Wait he's not a alpha? Fuck that coward.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This silly twit has another article asking why a tall, handsome guy 20 years her junior would bother dating her. Women can never just enjoy their lives because of their unassailable need to constantly ask why?

[–]gg_s 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They aren't even remotely interested in knowing the answer, it's just a call to consensus. She needs reassurance that the herd shares her perplexion.

[–]watersign 15 points16 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Most women fail to realize when they're young that they aren't going to age like demi moore.

[–]1oldredder 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

ick, even that's just nasty.

Sharon Stone I can say at least has aged well. Demi Moore? Nooo... no. So much no.

[–]Darthstacker 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]1oldredder 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

ouch. Hadn't seen that one. I will retract that statement as fast as a boner naked in a hailstorm.

[–]bakbakgoesherthroat 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She looks fine for her age. We all get old eventually.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She looks healthy for her age but not exceptional.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Guys, she's 56 and has only foundation (or whatever that stuff is called) put on, of course she doesn't look like 25.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't mind having some built-in SPF 30.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull.

She still seems self-absorbed, shallow, over-sensitive and dull.

Many older women seem to think that they're more attractive than younger women in everything but their body, and that those bastard men only care about looks. In truth, many older women would be less attractive than younger women even without considering their looks and age.

[–]gg_s 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention the extreme sense of entitlement.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just because you age, that does not make you smarter, more interesting, more educated, etc. People don't seem to understand how much daily work must go into becoming more anything.

[–]Prattler26 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

older, more interesting woman

She is old, but she isn't much smarter, nor more empathetic towards men.

Why are older men looking at women half their age?

Does she at least try to find the answer, does she try to understand men and empathize with men? No, the whole article is "me me me".

[–]redundanteater26 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

It's always funny to see someone mention EQ as if it's an actual thing. EQ was invented in the mid-to-late 1980s to measure conformity to the social norms of whoever was designing the research instrument.

Brief Field Report. I was out at lunch with a bunch of people with whom I had been vaguely associated. I am a professional and must occasionally socialize with people in the same field, but who do not work in the same workplace. Since I am at the top of my profession, by necessity I'm over 40. The rest of the table was also over 40. Most of the people at the table were women.

Someone mentioned that they had seen me with a new young woman. I replied that she was my current GF. That person said--probably to be snarky--that she was younger than the previous GF. I replied that she was, and that my GFs were getting younger and younger the further I got past 40.

This rustled some jimmies and the woman sitting next to me asked why? I said that nowadays I would never consider dating a woman over 35. She replied that there were a lot of women over 40 who were single. I said that people over 40 come with too much baggage. Look at me, I said, I have two ex-spouses, a bunch of kids, I don't look like a 20 year old any more. I don't want to date or deal with any of that. I don't want to date me. I want to date someone young and unencumbered and not all worn out from life and bad choices. She then asked me about having meaningful conversations with someone who shared my interests and passions. I said that I could care less about that stuff and just want to watch baseball and drink beer. She gaped at me like a stunned trout in the bottom of a shitty canoe half full of stagnant water.

[–]1independentmale 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

a new young woman

younger than the previous

meaningful conversations

She hit most of the shaming points. Typical.

The idea that young women have nothing to offer other than their bodies is bullshit, anyway. Their personalities are better; they are usually much more eager to please and shit test less. They bring a fresh, energetic vibe to the table and contrary to everything a post-wall bitch will tell you, being in her twenties does not mean she's a dumb bimbo.

Several years ago, near the end of my marriage, I (in my early thirties at the time) briefly hung out with a 19 year old who desperately wanted to fuck me. In hindsight, I wish I would have let her, but I was trying to remain faithful to my wife while we were still together. Anyway, this girl just adored me. Followed me everywhere, was down to do whatever I wanted, was thankful and appreciative of the little things. A trip to McDonalds was a real treat to her. She was a total sweetheart and she really looked up to me.

The post-wall woman would question what is wrong with me for preferring a woman like that, which simply proves how completely out of touch she is with the realities of what men want. "You should be with a woman who is your equal." Why? So she can question every decision I make, argue about the most trivial things and constantly challenge my authority? Fuck that. I'm not interested.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You make an excellent point that should be said more. Young women really do have a lot to offer in the area of personality. Fresh, unjaded perspectives, an eagerness to get the most out of life, an appreciation for things greater than themselves instead of being totally self-focused (a trait I've come to associate more often with older women).

I have made acquaintance of women older and younger, seeking them not just for looks but for being interesting people. In my experience, more often than not, the younger ones had better personalities.

Of course that does lead one to think that the very process of aging can have a negative impact on a good personality in a woman. Probably not much of a news flash around here, though.

[–]zephyrprime -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I said that I could care less about that stuff and just want to watch baseball and drink beer

This is why you've had a life of bad choices.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's scary is that these dumb bitches really believe this feminist nonsense.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men don't seem to grant us the same courtesy.

COURTESY?! Is she seriously pretending that women consciously will go after older men out of sheer politeness and kindness?! Its pure nature! Why are these people so hell bent on convincing themselves and others every natural thing we do is actually 100% intentional?

[–]blandboringusername 34 points34 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?

The difference is that I place about zero value on a woman climbing to the top of some corporate hierarchy. I've got my own money, thanks. I also don't care how many advanced degrees she has, as long as she's smart enough to be interesting company.

What do I ask in exchange for giving her a pass on literally decades of corporate ass kissing and ladder climbing? Stay out of the sun, don't smoke, watch what you eat, and get some fucking exercise, you lazy fucking pig. Is that so hard, ladies? I guess it is, because 90%+ fail.

Sucks, but give me the young ones if the 40+ "age appropriate" ladies don't understand this simple principle. You did it to yourselves by being giant losers, ladies. ¯\(ツ)

[–]TRP_James 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean you don't want to date a dried leather handbag?

You male chauvinistic pig!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But women are deep. They value many other things besides looks: how many meals he buys, how much money he gives her, how much security he gives her, how much status he confers on her... Oh wait, those aren't deep those are selfish

[–]YuriJackoffski 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do I ask in exchange for giving her a pass on literally decades of corporate ass kissing and ladder climbing? Stay out of the sun, don't smoke, watch what you eat, and get some fucking exercise, you lazy fucking pig. Is that so hard, ladies? I guess it is, because 90%+ fail.

Wash your crotch and learn how to wipe your ass properly is a PSA of mine. Some women are such slobs about this

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like the late Patrice O'Neal said, the value of pussy is like cars, it ain't like houses. It goes down.

[–]themanbat 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell the women you care about in your life to seriously consider marrying older men in their prime childbearing years. Otherwise this fate awaits them.

[–]1Zackcid 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's already hard enough for me to convince my brain to hit the gym on my "lazy days" because I logically know that it's for my better good. It's gotten easier lately to force myself, but at the end of the day, it's apparent we all still got these silly little monkey brains that are mainly concerned with the immediate and short-term gratification. Longterm thinking is a very recent thing in our evolution. I had to train myself over years to get better at it.

Today's breed of women-children don't stand a chance. Their logical brain might tell them to marry up quick, but shit, that would mean giving up 5-10 years of partying, CC riding, and "girls just wanna have fun!! :D"

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You're right, mate, you'd have much preferred me then.

Yes we would have, much, much preferred you then. To bad your snark blinds you to reality.

The ONLY hope you had was to find a husband and stay loyal to him. Give a man wife goggles when you are young and hot, and he will continue to see you in that way long past the time when no other man sees you.

Or you could just ignore all potential husbands and fuck haawwwt guys during your prime. If you give all your youth and beauty to the haaawt dude with tats and a motorcycle then in the end you get exactly what you put into it then don't you.

Notice how it is the man's fault because they don't want croned up unmarried harpies who have been stretched out and abused by the football team.

You goo giiiiirrrlz.

P.S. Fuck off and enjoy your cats while we enjoy the sluts who are giving us newly discovered cads our just deserts. Karma, whore. Karma.

[–]1Zanford 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"It's disheartening that women seem so focused on income. They are not looking at me. They are looking at men twice their own salary."

[–]iiMSouperman 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Loads of whiny women upset they didn't exploit their advantage when they had it; now it's gone they feel "hard done by".

[–]Loodu 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sophie: "Only the shallow and crap men do. And they are not the only men that exist. Far from it. It's the same media lie as women needing to worry about their appearance. All of this is only 1% of the reality"

I bet you 100$ that Sophie is a post-wall upper middle class who used to be a jersey-chaser in college and would only date famous athletes back then. But now she thinks men are douches for being sexually attracted to 20-something girls.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I love it, the instant desire to hamster and pass off their problems as the fault of men. Men don't desire me anymore...I must shame them into compliance!

It's a bit sad though. As much as I love a good story about getting just desserts, feminists have really given a lot of women a raw deal. Some chicks don't wake up to their redpill reality until they're 35+, far too late to make a difference. They're lied to as much as we were.

Then again, I'm reminded that they've been swallowing that feminist bluepill with a chaser of endless Alpha cum, so I'm not all that empathetic.

[–]zephyrprime 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The women are lied to more in a way. They're much more susceptible to social conditioning than men are. For them, other people's opinion of them really is reality.

[–]Numeromancer 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman thinks that what a man wants is a shameful sin, and that what she wants is a commandment from God.

[–]darkstar1031 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

See, I could speculate that when these women were in their early twenties they would not have given a second thought to the men who were their own age, they all had their hearts and minds focused like a laser-beam on that unattainable man who was in his mid thirties, with a house, a couple of sports cars, and an endless supply of disposable cash for them to wastefully spend at the mall on the non stop chain of ever changing fashion trends. Then they grew into their thirties, and realized that the fantasy they had been fed by way of soap operas and cheap dimestore fantasy novels was just a pipe-dream, and now they are slowly realizing that they are no longer relevant. Mrs. Stella Grey's problem is not that men are suddenly more shallow, it is that she is still just as shallow and superficial as she was in her twenties, and she doesn't have the looks anymore to distract the men she is attracted to from noticing it. The men she is chasing after are going for the younger more attractive women, because that is what they are genetically programmed to do. Men are built to continue to mate well into the later years of adult-hood, and young, fertile women are the best chance at doing so.

[–]cariboo_j 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why does TRP think women dating much older men is so common?

I'm 25, most of the couples I know are within 2-3 years age of each other.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not exactly common, but far more common than the inverse.

And as a guy you can reasonably expect to land a good woman 10 years younger when you played your cards right. Maybe not every woman 10 years younger, because some will make comparable age a non-negotiable, but guess what? You'll never have a shot with every woman anyway; what matters is having a shot with enough women within your target demographic. And this you can hardly pull off as a woman because the demographics [guys who are attractive to women 10 years older] and [guys who are willing to put up with a woman 10 years older] hardly overlap.

[–]cock_pussy_up 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the solution is to shame men for being attracted to young women. Call them pedophiles for following the laws of evolution and being attracted to females who are capable of procreation. That'll force their penises to get hard to post-menopausal punani.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Amazing how they all stop giving a shit about looks once they have none.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does she? She's still into the silver fox who aged graciously.

[–]Chaohinon 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, wouldn't it be a shame if a particular age bracket of one particular gender weren't so hung up on looks and status. Golly gee wiz, that sure would be a nice world to live in, wouldn't it?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Lol, I know plenty of 50+ year old women I'd fuck the shit out of. She just didn't take care of herself and is now whining because nobody likes her anymore. What did she think would happen?

A 50+ year old woman who takes care of herself can have a body of an idealized 30-35 year old, because let's face it, many 18-35 year olds don't have anywhere close to an idealized body. Also, plenty of women, attractive and otherwise, "prefer," as they put it, younger men. This one cougar I know is publicly dating this guy who looks like he's in his early twenties. He's probably at least 30, but he looks like a kid. The thing is, attractive people can get away with shit like that . . . until they can't . . . because they cease being attractive.

However, as I've stated before, it's not looks, it's FERTILITY. When men see a young woman, they don't just see her beauty, they see their potential immortality.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Know what 50 year old pussy tastes like?

Depends.

[–]Luscious_Fox 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not following. Could you explain? (srs)

[–]TimeHo 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends is a brand of adult diaper in the states.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Elonine 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends is a brand of adult diaper.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha.

But actually, I do. It tastes like regular pussy.

Caveat, I'm talking about, well-preserved, well-taken-care of, yoga and pilates, organic meats and veggies, no smoking, no drugs, no alcohol, genetic 8-10 pussy 50 year old pussy. If you get that kind, you may be surprised to find that it tastes better than some teenager pussies you've sampled.

I remember when I was 20 and anyone over 30 seemed old. That changed as I got older.

Still, when you talk in a grocery store, occasionally you'll catch a horrible fishy-corpsy smell wafting from somewhere. Inevitably, a REALLY old, like 75-85+ woman will be meandering down the aisle in a cotton summer dress. Can you imagine being some male prostitute so hard up for cash that he can't say no to a client like that? Lolololololololol . . . .

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm 45, it's something of a joke. I'll stick to younger girls, and the occasional experienced girl closer to my age. Have a 42 flying out next week for round two, she has to do something right to get a second go. Not a keeper, but honestly none of them are. I rent them for a while, catch snd release style.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dear Stella Grey: you are a very talented writer and a keen observer of reality, I admired your piece very much and reflects pretty much today's reality. I am in my early 50's and I can vouch for the validity of your observation, your piece should be required reading for everyone, male or female, in their 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's.

Especially for the 20-something and 30-something male, with some additional notes:

Dear 20-something male: you are transparent. Just like Stella Grey is transparent now in her 50's you are transparent in your 20's. You see the 20-something Stella Grey is not looking at you, she's looking for the jock-types and the Alpha males who are in their late 20's and 30's; and of course if they have resources she will dip her toes into the 40's and 50's; they all want to try the older dude.

Dear 30-something male: you're husband material. If you have managed to secure a decent job, you're no longer transparent, but you are Husband Material a stepping stone on a check list, someone who would give her romantic dates, engagement, a wedding, house with white picket fence, kids, and then the de rigueur post-divorce alimony + child support package. And, by the way, while you are dating she's getting cock on the side from her FWB/ex boyfriend who is dumb and broke but fucks her good.

Dear 20-something and 30-something: be patient, your time will come. Once you hit your 40's and 50's you will be, for the first time in your life, in the driver's seat in term of dictating the terms of the relationship, women's Value will decrease and yours will increase. But it's not as easy as being a woman, a woman's effort is still limited to not stuffing her face to become fat, you need to hit the gym, eat properly, have a life of your own, develop a career is you want to desirable as a Man and not as a meal ticket.

All in all is still unfair since you, the guy, have to work a lot harder than a woman to stay in shape; and you have to defend yourself not to become a meal ticket; but then it's just a question of time shifting, women have their pick of the litter in their late teens to 20's and early 30's; we have to wait till our late 30's.

There's nothing you or I can do, complain like Stella Grey serves only to sell copy for her newspaper, if you want to life a satisfactory life, look at reality, and act accordingly.

[–]1Jaereth 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sol: "I'm about to be 40 this year. I cannot believe that in 2015 while the 'value' of men increases with age, ours, as women, decreases. The point is a man who is just interested is looks is not interesting to me. I want a partner with whom I can talk to, discuss ideas, enjoy all the benefits of having an experienced sexual/love life. The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?"

This is the crux of the fallacy right here. This commentator assumes incorrectly that she holds some superiority over a younger partner because a man can "talk to, discuss ideas and enjoy an experienced lover". As if a woman half her age couldn't actually be intellectually stimulating for a man as well. Or be a good conversationalist. Or be good in the sac.

What she doesn't realize is a successful man in his forties can get a younger girl that can satisfy him in all the ways she can, and in several ways she can't. Weighing the options of dating her or a 22 year old, she definitely is bringing less to the table, and is trying to hamster away this fact by shifting the blame onto the stupid man who can't see what she's really worth.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As if a woman half her age couldn't actually be intellectually stimulating for a man as well. Or be a good conversationalist. Or be good in the sac.

Ego-protection. Or maybe she just remembers how annoying she was when she was that age and honestly can't imagine other girls not being like that. After all, it's hard not letting being treated as if the sun shines out of your ass get to you.

[–]spectrum_92 20 points21 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, I feel sympathy for many women in this situation. The fact is, while we on TRP complain that post-feminist society has lied to us, it has also deceived women.

In the past, women were raised to understand that securing a husband was an important key to their happiness and security, and that they only had so long before their ageing bodies made this almost impossible. Today, feminism insists that women should not value men or the obvious long-term benefits of marriage at all (observe the 'to hell with men' comment that OP cites), and that if they really do want to, then, like men, they can wait until they are in their 40s to do so.

What feminism is doing is giving women advice and moral values that are directly contrary to human biology and psychology. While it's enjoyable to gloat about these ageing hags that slept around in their youth, it's worth noting that many of them were never even warned! This is the true evil of modern feminism - it makes women, not just men, miserable.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To be honest, I feel sympathy for many women in this situation.

Not really, she admits to having been shallow and dull when she was young and hot. Had she had an epiphany (like "okay, I wasted my time because back then life was as kind to me as it gets for a young piece of hot ass; so I made my bed for now") I would respect her for this, but she's still delusional.

She probably never paid attention to most men whose first choice she was because they weren't hot enough for her; yet now she expects men who are first choice to ignore her lack of hotness.

[–]spectrum_92 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, of course, this particular woman doesn't deserve any empathy considering her total lack of self-awareness. I was referring to women in this situation more generally.

My point is just that many women are behaving recklessly without having anyone warn them of the consequences. In the past, women could still behave promiscuously and have a care-free youth, but society generally looked down on them, and their parents, teachers, friends, etc. could generally be expected to vocally disapprove of their actions and warn them of the long-term consequences. Today, feminism openly celebrates such a lifestyle, and actively encourages women to pursue it, saying that there aren't any consequences, and if there are, that's just proof of a patriarchal and sexist society. So unless a woman is raised in a decent household that checks the influence of modern feminism on their minds, it's unsurprising that they should behave the way so many women do today.

[–]Luscious_Fox 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Like us they had the opportunity to read books and be educated by sources aside from the mainstream media. They didn't. Survival of the fittest.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women are almost never iconoclasts. That's just not how it works typically.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

well why would you need to read and educate yourself if you have people fawning over you no matter what you do?

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not about education - hell, women are more educated than men on average - at least academically.

It's about willingness to espouse contrarian ideas. Women get virtually no (social or financial) benefit from doing this, and every benefit from going along with standard dogma. Men are not, as we are most rewarded by being contrarian in the right ways (hence why we take more risks, and also fail more often too)

[–]blandboringusername 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I've seen this all my life. "Stick with the crowd" is what they know. It's what they do best. They were more than happy, eager actually, to look down their noses at male iconoclasts when they were young and hot. Now, they're middle aged, middle income, middling..crap. And they know it.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to be clear - being an iconoclast can be a good thing or a bad thing.

For every "misunderstood genius", there's 5 actual idiots.

For women, who get most of their power from beauty and social reputation (i.e. consensus and friend building) and almost none from ideology or technical skill, being an iconoclast is just typically a poor bet.

For a man, your quality of mate is directly related to how much you can distinct yourself from the mass of men you're competing against - in a positive direction. For women that's far, far less the case.

[–]bat_mayn 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That moment when you realize this person gets paid a salary to write this garbage. Using a publication as her own personal gripes blog.

She admits to being a vapid bitch when she was younger, right in the article, and still has the audacity to complain about a man's personal desires or attractions.

[–]carpe-jvgvlvm 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL, oh wow. The despairing 50+ I know get pissed when I point them to the older generation, too: the nice geriatrics. So much win for them with men over 75 if they start fixing themselves up and sweeten up the personality, drop a few pounds, and can cook. Those guys get good paychecks every month, appreciate women, and most fortunately can't see as well (except Lasix is messing up these ladies' game so they need to stick to cloudy-eyed fellows at first).

[–]cock_pussy_up 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. Lots of older men would be happy for companionship with a decent woman. It is just that young women have men kissing their butts even if they have ugly, bitchy, annoying personalities and nothing to offer other than their bodies. But when they're older they need to actually be tolerable human beings for men to put up with them for any length of time.

[–]feminist 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wrote a load on this yesterday but didn't post... fuck it

Unedited, just threw some thoughts down as I was reading it - just posted because I pick on some language that demonizes the male sex drive a lot

In general, men don’t seem to grant us the same courtesy, at least not the men I meet online. They are highly focused on the packaging. It’s disheartening. --Stella Grey (pseudonym of course)

That sums it all up right there...

“It’s a shame I don’t fancy you,” he said, “because otherwise you tick all the boxes.”

There seems to be a gender imbalance, vis-a-vis the packaging thing.

Just because you can look past a guys looks and all the way to his house and car, that doesn't make you some fucking edifice of pure intent.

Literally, well I like him money/time/attention, why does he have to like how I look? Oh... because I am not rich. Now I get it. stupid me.

All the women I know are tolerant of middle age showing itself in a chap.

Or... the wallet.

I've never read something so willfully naive (as if painting this as a new thing gives it more clout) or so spectacularly offensive:

So, because some women, reaching a certain age, like older, smiling George Clooney, a modest house at lake Como, then men should be the same?

And, let's not throw everyone into two buckets, eh?

Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You’re right, mate, you’d have much preferred me then.

Implying that just because you've lost your looks, you've magically gained depth, experience and interests? Also, what is meant by "self-absorbed" and "over-sensitive" it's like she's asking to be forgiven for the fact that "all women are self-absorbed and oversensitive". How damn sexist to women this is.

What does it mean to us, as women, to be told that we’re worth less than we used to be?

It's not an invalid question, but the idea that you think men have to change, or that it can change, that men are simply choosing to do this, is immeasurably anti-human.

No man I know has ever been told that his powers, his allure, his charm have faded

Really, I guess you steer clear of the thousand of men on the brink. The tens of thousand of homeless veterans, divorced men who lost everything they'd built up, men who didn't check the boxes to get the care, men who were brought up being second class citizens in education, boisterous and tossed aside. The men in that spectrum have an unbelievable high suicide rate, so high it wildly affects the needle on the suicide rates worldwide.

Oh, but you said men. Those men, those man who have lost their power, they aren't the silver haired men in yachts you're referring to.

I've been told "It's so easy for men to get sex", as if it was a bad thing. Yes, I have money, looks, confidence, but that isn't something I took from you. My success isn't "privilege" it's success.

In many decades when I am some "silver haired man" who hasn't lost his power, it won't be because I am sexist. Or because nature dealt you a bad hand. I will still be looking at 20 year olds.

I am not Jack Nicholas trying to climb stairs so he can have sex with his girlfriend's mom. Give me the girlfriend.

Many women I know in their 50s talk about their invisibility in public places.

WOW. Again, check your fucking privilege. "Oh, the 20 year old in a short skirt get attention". Where in your right mind do you assert the inalienable truth that you have a right to attention? You talk about being invisible as if something was taken away from you. And the entire perspective of the article REEKS of privilege.

You know who else is invisible? Masses of women, of all ages, not being able to get a fair shot at life because of their compounded social situations. Why aren't you writing about the 16 year old black girl who hasn't been told that she can build bridges, fight fires, deliver babies, climb mountains, eh? Why not look into the asymmetry of government spending. Where's your outrage there?

Oh, some white women got ignored after 30, call Boko Haram, they'll pray for you.

What is this, the next front line in feminist-nazism? Men are now required to date 30+ and 40+ women in equal number to 20+.

Pathetic.

I’m sure a case could be made for invisibility as a liberating force in a woman’s life, but I am not the woman to make it, not this week at least, when I’ve been dissed or else flatly ignored by all the men I’ve said hello to.

OK, so she throws the whole "cat calling from poor dirty racially different people upset me" crowd of 25-35 feminist idiots under the bus, he pains are more important.

She then equates being "ignored" with being "dissed". She couldn't write out "disrespected" because it was too corrupt a thing to say?

Who is she saying hello to? Random people on the street? Where is the "Late thirties guy in a suit walking in Manhattan for ten hours" video - I'd like to see all these rape-hellos.

How dare you, how DARE YOU use your privilege to think you can say hello to people on the street.

It’s making me a bit rebellious, I admit. It’s making me want to look 50

You misspelled "it made me want to give up". You've said all this, but you've utterly, UTTERLY been cowardly in writing out what you want. You've not said "I want people to want me", you've said "Men, ugh, they ignore you and treat you subhuman". Try being honest for a change. Write from you.

I get these impulses and then I buy another stupid snake-oil anti-ageing cream.

Wait, you mean the patriarchy forces you to buy the cream, right? Don't make me excommunicate you from feminism. Toe the feminist line.

It’s true that men don’t see me any more.

What.... incredible. Incredible... unspeakable levels of insanity. She wants men to have brain surgery? To be drugged or brainwashed or... I cannot think of the levels of anti-humanism, bile, vitriol and blunt minded despotism and absolutism must go into such a simple statement.

“Maybe they think they can have both,” Jack said.
“You’re not like that, though, are you? Given a choice, you’d pick the older, more interesting woman, the passionate, well-read, intrepid, low-maintenance woman.”
“Nice of you to think so,” Jack said. “But I’d go for the firm arse and tits, always, without question.”
I expressed mild disgust.

Run Jack! Ruuuun! It's a trap.

I've had women who are 30+ pull that same line. There's the "I don't sleep with men who aren't my boyfriend" gambit, which they only give you when you're very very up front open and ask them to verbalize that they want to have sex with you. It annoys them, but basically that's their way of "saying no", the truth is, they don't want to say "no", they just want to hold off on saying "yes" until you make commitments. So get them to say it, yes or no. If you don't say yes, I'll assume a no, goodbye, be on your merry way.

The disgust issue. Shaming and vilifying humanity. It's amazing. How dare you be sexual reproductive mammal, attracted to men / women. How dehumanizing is that idea.

“You just have to face facts,” he said. “Men are extremely visual creatures; we respond visually and we can’t help it. Well, we could probably help it, but we don’t want to. Online dating is giving these idiots the impression that they can snag a honey. Most of them have no chance, of course. Don’t you look at the 25-year-old men in the street?”

Well, John is a figment of her imagination.

Well, we could probably help it, but we don’t want to.

Fuck. You.

these idiots

All men are idiots.

snag a honey

All woman are honeys.

Most of them have no chance, of course.

... and men can't have them because women are too good for them (or perhaps because women are the fucking same, on the whole, but a viciously fascist minority are hideously vocal)

Source: Choking back vomit when a group of 45 year old women (the smell... the mix of cheap perfumes... oh god) were laughing telling me how they like "one direction" and then all trying to give me "that look". I feel ill. The alpaca can wait. Fat lard.

‘I don’t. Honestly. They have mothers of my age, so it’d be like randily pursuing the children of your friends. There’s something inherently unsexy about that whole set-up.”
“Sexy as hell.” “It’s the 55-year-old, slightly rumpled silver foxes that I stare at, the tall well-travelled well-used ones. But they don’t see me.”

The juxtaposition of the dual-meaning word "children", meaning adults who happen to have parents is corrupt. You can refer to you own adult offspring as "your children", but to refer to other ADULTS as children of their parents, in common usage, not some special genealogical usage, and juxtaposing it with "sexy" is trying to vilify women finding 20 year old women attractive.

So all 40 year old women are children? That's a perfectly ok thing so say right?

I mean, you're all descendants, so you're all children of someone. Unless the author agrees those statements are ok to make in normal usage then her usage of calling an adult as "the child of someone" is wrong and intentional.

“Perhaps you should wear brighter colours.”
I looked down at myself. “I like navy blue. What’s wrong with navy blue?”

Oh snap, he's not-slut shaming her. She's not asking for it, based on what she's not.. not not... wearing.

Victim blaming alert!

“These are just facts. Men like youth. They like long hair. They like colour. They like slender, as well. Sorry. You’re going to have to lose weight and grow your hair and wear red if you want the silver foxes to see you.”

The question is, should I be prepared to change?

Should I be prepared to swim another few hours this week and have a pizza and mountain dew night tonight? Fuck me, it's almost as if we have fucking freedom of choice in life.

[–]evoblade 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"To hell with what men want"

Well lady if you don't care what men want, then don't be suprised when they don't want you.

[–]silwhg 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm amazed how they can take absolutely zero responsibility. I mean you would expect that a reasonable person would be able to think about what might be the problem here, but no, they just blindly blame it on men.

I wonder how many of these women would be willing to just be friends with these men their age, while they go for the younger women, just like they wanted them to be their friends while they were in their 20s and they "didn't see these nice guys in that way". But of course that wont happen, no, they are disgusted with their behaviour, how could they.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how many of these women would be willing to just be friends with these men their age, while they go for the younger women, just like they wanted them to be their friends while they were in their 20s and they "didn't see these nice guys in that way".

That would be a really interesting experiment.

Any of the guys over 45 who do exceedingly well with women in their 20s willing to volunteer?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm younger and hotter than she is. But I am prepared to look past her looks. I'm not shallow. She can take me out, drive me round, buy me dinner and when it comes time to do the deed, she'll find I am "not ready yet" and "it's too soon". She'll be doing all the work to try and make things happen - if not I'll just wait for someone else to take over.

If she manages to talk me into her house I'll flash a harder dick at her than she's seen in years, but throw some last minute resistance at her and cry on her shoulder about some hot chick who I just can't quite sexually connect with. And expect her to listen to a few hours of that, before running off with said hot chick "just to get it out of my system".

I'm sure she'll be happy to put up with this for a few months - she herself states she wants gender equality.

[–]Venkas 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this what my exes have to look forward to? Damn, I dunno if I would wish this fate on anyone.

"Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved!"

Yes JCole. Your right.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This fate is what the bottom 80% of guys started with (but can only improve if they work on it).

I'd much rather start at the bottom and work my way up than vice versa. I don't envy these entitled princesses. The way some of them (my ex) handles rejection, can you imagine the later on when their magical T&A starts to sag?

[–]Venkas 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a point, we have to fight to gain our dominance while they start off at the "top" because gender and current society. We appreciate the work, effort and time to get to the top. There goes my sympathy lol.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

this chick is confused why an older man looks better than older woman? because our body is suppose to look worn out; when our body looks a mess it subconsciously shows the tough alpha background of doing labour work, getting in physical fights, working out etc.. but woman should not be in that same circumstance. Point blank if woman don't care for their body when its not required to damage it what makes her think she'll have value?

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, an older man appears to look better because signs of advanced aging don't equal for a man that the one thing you really bring to the table has gone.

If women got fertile at 45 instead of the inverse, wrinkles and greying hair would be considered hot by men.

[–]someguysomewhere321 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are still tons of red pill'ish guys in their late 40s / early 50s that got plenty of cash, are in shape and could get a girl half their age, yet they choose a woman their own age who is a cunt and has a teeth or two missing. Social shaming of larger age differences works well enough for western women already. Guys like that in south east asia would never go for girls older than mid twenties.

[–]ostroman1989 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

her ego apparently still depends on being the high school girl in the clique and have guys hit on her and get burned

thats aging for you, next you will be institutionalized too cause your generation did fuck nothing to address this issue save for screwing their kids with their pensions.

its not natural for women even 25+ to be out there looking.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"These are just facts. Men like youth. They like long hair. They like colour. They like slender, as well. Sorry. You’re going to have to lose weight and grow your hair and wear red if you want the silver foxes to see you. The question is, should I be prepared to change?"

And that last line of the article gentlemen, is the greatest difference between the sexes. A man sees a change in his environment and will either alter the environment to suit his purposes, or if he cannot, will alter himself.

Very few women will do so.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Guys, number 1 mistake: Don't take a woman's word for truth (or honesty). You all seem to forget that even a columnist doesn't write what she believes in, but she writes what generates a lot of attention... And she did succeed in this, she DID in fact get a lot of attention, including all your Schadenfreude.

Next week she'll write about all her annoying orbiters who just won't leave her alone, how she gets hit on all the time and probably the same women commenting now will then all be like: "ugh yeah men are so clingy" etc. etc.

[–]torodinson 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The orbiters are gone she is 50.

[–]RiPing 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This made me realize that most people are religious and don't even believe in evolution, no wonder the pill is so hard to swallow for many, and that people are so ignorant about the sexual market.

[–]carnage_panda 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude it's pretty much been scientifically proven that everyone prefers a younger woman. It seems that 20 is the magic age. Of course it's a terrible age, because younger women are completely psychotic, living off the brainwashed Disney BS, but you really can't argue with facts.

You can't even count on marriage. I have a friend that explicitly bangs married women, cuz they so loyal, and then dumps them if they try to get too psychotic.

[–]trumpi 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She has discovered the female equivalent of "you're such a nice guy, but I really don't want to ruin the friendship."

So to claim a gender imbalance is just plain biased.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well what are we supposed to do? Change our preferences just because you say so? God women can be deluded sometimes.

[–]Transmigratory 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The hamstering, omfg. The mangina comments are pretty hilarious to read.

Willing to bet that women over 25 who don't complain have worked hard to keep their figure and looks. Whereas the ones that do... well it is easier to moan about what you no longer have.

[–]JovianTrainWreck 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Out of all the examples, Vicky's hamster seems to be running the slowest. It's there, but it ain't warp speed like the others.

Sophia is my favorite by far though. "I don't need no man! But when I do, I'm gonna hire me a hot young good lookin' stud 'cause I don't... need no... man... so there!~"

Somebody tell this old lady who wrote the article to just stick to PlentyOfFish. That site is almost exclusively 50 year olds, she'll bag somebody there.

[–]georgespelvin1 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She says she is looking at the 55 year old silver foxes.

I guess my question to her would be, "How many men in their early to mid 60s have you turned down for being too old?"

That's something I never hear brought up in any of these types of articles.

[–]VarsitySlutTeamCpt 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

George Clooney married somone almost half his age. Maybe you should research what men really want instread of opposing your views on them. I'm not going to say that Kate Upton should marry me because I'm her age and I have a job.

[–]kevkos 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. Good looking women have the world in the palm of their hand when they are 18-34-ish. 16 years of having a massive amount of power.

At 27, a woman can treat 99% of men like shit and still have all the sex she wants and land a rich good looking guy.

At 27, men have a much tougher time dating girls their age, often get ignored and end up marrying because they don't think they have options.

The tables then start turning in mid-late 30's.

At 40, men can easily date women in their 20's. By 40, women have much less power and at this point may want to look at men in their mid-50's.

Women peak early, men have a slow burning fuse.

This is just how life is. Why does it seem like it's ok and even encouraged for older women to complain about not getting attention from men, but when a younger guy complains about girls shitting on him in the dating world they "just need to be more confident"?

[–]Hank711 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm too young to date post-30 women, but I imagine I would like the qualities she mentioned -- well-read, interesting, passionate, low maintenance -- when I'm 50 (in like a 35 year old who still looks decent). I'd be willing to bet she's actually snobby, boring, and a money pit . . . and less attractive.

Shit, since this is going to get buried and no one's going to read this, I might as well point out that can see this is already happening into my mid-20's. When I was 18 going to Applebee's was a solid dinner date. When I was 21, grabbing a drink at a $5 a beer dive bar was cool. Now, I don't even want to do those things and the girls I see would probably be put off. I'm positive this woman isn't better about it than a 25 year old who isn't particularly looking for a husband.

[–]jacks1000 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The most heartfelt articles by female journalists are about how, come the revolution, cultural norms will be overturned in such a way that the journalist herself will be considered hotter."

Steve Sailer's Law of Female Journalism

[–]redarkane 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This makes me smile. My bitch of an ex is going to age like horse shit.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny how the last 2 hit some truths on the head. The last ones friend moreso. 2nd to last one pretty much gets it, just doesn't want to accept it.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is this the female version of "the nice guyTM"? (In other words a guy who fails to understand what women are attracted to.)

[–]cock_pussy_up 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The nice guy has a chance to figure things out as he gets older, then bang 18 year old punani. But time isn't on women's side.

[–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Common theme amongst the hamsterization: narcissism. It's all about them. I don't need men like that, I want this from a partner, etc.

Which is all fine and good, but not a single fucking sentence is devoted to the idea that a man is allowed to have any agency themselves in their choice in mates.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And that's a great observation: we are not allowed to choose our own mates. The constant parroting of "all women are beautiful" and "don't be so shallow" while they pretend to be attracted to a sense of humour but really it's all about what the guy does FOR them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want a partner with whom I can talk to, discuss ideas, enjoy all the benefits of having an experienced sexual/love life. The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?"

Gee, forget looks for a moment, don't you think the issue is somewhere else?

[–]dicklord_airplane 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I truly feel sorry for my female peers (mid-late 20's) who don't seem to understand WHY men are so attracted to them. it's not necessarily their fault because they've been mislead by the same 'blue pill' culture that fucks up so many boys. i mean, it's taboo to even state the fact that women generally get uglier to men when they age past 30, so a lot of women don't even understand the fact until it's too late.

it's ironic that the author notes that she really wants a tall guy with nice hair, but doesn't seem to notice that that's just as shallow and instinctual as men wanting young women.

BTW, the amount of schadenfreude in this thread is disgusting. taking pleasure in other people's suffering is no way to live. that's just egotistical masturbation. be better than that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jacks line made me laugh. He sounds like an A-1 dude.

[–]Christian_Kong 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"It's a shame I don't fancy you," he said, "because otherwise you tick all the boxes." Another said I sounded nice, but added: "Though unfortunately I have stringent physical criteria."

Hillarious but massive dick move. If you arent interested why waste the time?

[–]GentleGiant350 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How could a human being possibly make it into her 50s and still be so incurably naiive?

Jeebus cripes...

Perhaps this is some insight into the true intelligence of feminism? That perhaps we've been attributing to malice that which would be more adequately explained by stupidity? Maybe that's all this is? Not evil? Just terminally stupid?

Nah, couldn't be...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sophia needs to drop the "we" as if she speaks for all female humans but she has a great point - she can and should love herself, and she doesn't need men (to be attracted to her sexually). I hope she has the self-awareness to realise that what she is saying, is not really about the subject at hand. Call me an optimist. Also, if she wants her one-night stand she is as welcome as anyone else to look for a younger fellow... we are all welcome to look, and good luck, it can be hard to find what we want. I wonder if she truly (as in, verbally and in her true feelings) feels that it's as okay for men to do it as she feels it is for her to do it.

Jean has a simple question that has a simple answer. Sadly she confuses and confounds it by equating sexual market value with other aspects of life - perhaps it's because they cannot be fully separated for her. In which case, she is past more than she thinks, but I'd prefer to be charitable and say she is only past one thing - the exact thing the article is about, though, which does seem to escape her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading the Facebook comments with a really old granny voice made them beyond hilarious.

[–]Silverbacked 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“These are just facts. Men like youth. They like long hair. They like colour. They like slender, as well. Sorry. You’re going to have to lose weight and grow your hair and wear red if you want the silver foxes to see you.”

The question is, should I be prepared to change?

Entitled much? God forbid she actually be expected to make an effort to get what she wants. Better the rest of the world change to suit her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's good they recognize the problem, but the real catch is whether they find the right solution or not.

They could either say:

Wow society has men brainwashed to be pigs! We need feminism!

Or

Maybe I should dress/act better to attract more men.

[–]1Zackcid 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women will always pick the safest/less-risky option. First option effortlessly puts blame on somebody else. Second option ("Maybe I should dress/act better to attract more men.") requires that she reform her ego and admit she isn't as awesome and magical as she thought she was.

Her poor ego would collapse and she'd have a breakdown if she ever chose Option 2 :'(

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Psshh. As if. No they will delude themselves and blame everyone else outwardly, but in the back of their minds is a weak little voice that cries in the dark. That timid voice shudders in the presence of the almighty hamster, but it whispers truth. It quietly wails, "you chose this, it's your doing, you're a horrible person and a failure" but she ignores it except for when the hamster is drunk.

[–]Neo-ReactionaryHarry 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This article I'm posting again answers this question in a direct and honest manner:

http://www.rooshv.com/what-manning-up-really-means

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But cougers are OK....amiright??

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

haha after reading the first article i said to myself, "payback, bitch!"

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When life immitates 4chan satire

EDIT: confirmed

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[–]admirals_go_nuts -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've read that the Candito program isnt the best for bench, how would you modify it? Maybe do GCZL method for it?

[–]privated1ck -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I look at 25 yo's in porn; that's hard-wired--but I'd want a partner to be at least 40.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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