Blue Pill ExampleFemale columnist in The Guardian yesterday: "It's disheartening that men in their 50s seem so focused on looks [...] They are not looking at me. They are looking at women half their age." (self.TheRedPill)

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A downright delusional article by a columnist for The Guardian, described as "a 50-year-old divorcee who has embarked on an enlightening journey into online dating in the perhaps irrational hope of finding true love":


It's been a week of gloomy thoughts about what one applicant called "the packaging". In fact, he wasn't an applicant. He wrote specifically to tell me he wasn't. "It's a shame I don't fancy you," he said, "because otherwise you tick all the boxes." Another said I sounded nice, but added: "Though unfortunately I have stringent physical criteria."

She may be going on fifty, but she seems as perplexed by her findings as though she was just born yesterday:

There seems to be a gender imbalance, vis-a-vis the packaging thing. All the women I know are tolerant of middle age showing itself in a chap. We quite like a late flowering, in fact: the silvering, the smile lines, the coming of bodily sturdiness. We read these as signs that life has been lived and enjoyed. We read them as indicators of substance, of being substantial. In general, men don't seem to grant us the same courtesy, at least not the men I meet online. They are highly focused on the packaging. It's disheartening.

She hasn't even the most rudimentary grasp of evolutionary psychology, or the asymmetric realities of SMV that her grandmother likely could have explained to her. She goes on:

"I bet you were gorgeous when you were young," I was told recently, via message, like that was supposed to be a compliment. Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You're right, mate, you'd have much preferred me then. [...]

It's true that men don't see me any more. It's sobering to walk down the street observing how the 50-year-old men behave, paying attention to what they're looking at as they stroll along. They are not looking in shop windows. They are not looking at me. They are looking at women half their age.

She proceeds to seek reassurance from her male friend Jack, but finds none:

"You're not like that, though, are you? Given a choice, you'd pick the older, more interesting woman, the passionate, well-read, intrepid, low-maintenance woman."

"Nice of you to think so," Jack said. "But I'd go for the firm arse and tits, always, without question."

I expressed mild disgust.

Now, this is just one columnist, and one might imagine the article to be written to garner maximum attention. More pertinent are the copious Facebook comments on the article from women, in particular post-Wall women--their hamsters spinning furiously, utterly divorced from anything resembling reality:


Vicky: "I wonder if sometimes it's because articles like this and the constant onslaught of hot young women in the media make older women feel bad about themselves and so don't always carry themselves with the same amount of confidence. Maybe it's confidence that's the real key. Just a thought."

Emily: "Maybe the middle aged men who judge women on their looks and discount them purely for looking their age aren't worth worrying about anyway"

Eva: "Because they're shallow, insecure and need to prove something to themselves and others all the time. Most have an underdeveloped EQ."

Sophie: "Only the shallow and crap men do. And they are not the only men that exist. Far from it. It's the same media lie as women needing to worry about their appearance. All of this is only 1%of the reality"

Alessandra: "Difference in mental capabilites... Men's brains are so limited. Moreover, as their view starts to fade away, they need values that could be understandable by a teen ager. Luckily, older women don't find them interesting nor attractive too."

Naomi: "Because they're victims of the same vicious campaigns that claim a woman is at the height of her beauty when she's a size 6 and under 25. Many women spend their mature life trying to stay young, denying the grace in growing old - why would you expect men to know any better?"

Sophia: "To hell with what men want, we have for centuries been too taken up by what 'men want'-if we are 50 and love who we are, body and everything else included, then again i say "to hell with men"-i love me, i don't need them..and if i need a one-night stand i would look for the younger-than-myself dude! and why not? what applies to men, applies to me as well.."

Sol: "I'm about to be 40 this year. I cannot believe that in 2015 while the 'value' of men increases with age, ours, as women, decreases. The point is a man who is just interested is looks is not interesting to me. I want a partner with whom I can talk to, discuss ideas, enjoy all the benefits of having an experienced sexual/love life. The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?"

Jean: "I have a female friend (and of course the media), who tell me: 'Face facts you're past it'. And I think: past what? My life is full of stuff I still want to do, and all this fuss about loss of looks, just gets in the way, and is calculated to undermine my intent to be a force at any age."

And so on and so forth. There are some 1,000+ further comments I shan't bother to quote here. You surely get the gist.

[–]grewapair 193 points194 points  (33 children)

They don't get it. They got to "date up" in their 20s precisely because of the fact that older men only want twenty somethings. They had the attention of every twenty-, thirty- and forty something man, and even many 50 somethings.

As a result, if they were a 6, they got to date 8s, and more importantly, if they were a 6, they could treat a 6 guy like shit and have him kiss their asses.

Now they are 35+ and they get divorced and think "woo hoo, let's go find a 6 and treat him like shit!!" So if you make the mistake of taking out a 35+ woman, who of course WAS a 6 but is now a 4, and you WERE a 6 but are now a 7, she's going to treat you like shit. But don't worry, she'll demand time and $$ like you've never seen. Finest restaurants, bottles of wine, etc. Vacations at the top hotels. That's what you get for dating a 40 year old 4.

No one is going to tell them, "listen, I realize you were a 6, but you aren't any more. You'll NEVER be a 6 again in your life. There is literally nothing you could do. And for every 1 guy who might date you at your age, there's literally 100 of you. Either you stop making those fucking outrageous demands and go get me a beer, or fucking forget me even talking to you."

So I see my 35+ year old female friends just wondering why there's no interest. No one will tell them the truth, so they get madder and madder. "I used to treat guys like shit and they fawned over me but it's not happening -- assholes!"

Fuck that. I'm 53 and won't touch any one over 35. They get divorced and simply don't understand the world is a very different place from when they were 25. They want more but offer virtually nothing but headaches.

[–]DistantWinter 96 points97 points  (15 children)

I just dropped a woman last week that behaved like this. I've been out of the game for over 15 years and was very perplexed on why she was expecting fancy dinners, expensive bottles of wine and such. Over conversation I find her ex husband was a very successful person and traded her in for a younger model.

She wasn't attractive at all. Her online profile looked great. In person I was very disheartened. Fat gut, hunch back, had a wandering eye too. Her demanding mannerisms and jealousy just made me laugh at her.

The pictures I had seen of her online were from 10 years ago when she was an easy 8. She was used to a very good life and now she looks like a used up troll expecting the same treatment. I had to tell her to leave and never to return.

15 years out of the game and I'm beginning to see I have many many options is life. This is no time to settle.

[–]TRP_James 49 points50 points  (11 children)

Dude, I'm 22, almost 23.

Even the 20 somethings I go on dates with fuck with their profile pictures. I don't understand what they expect. Am I suppose to just 'forget' what you looked like on your profile?

Silly games only a child would play.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (7 children)

I feel for your brother. The 20s are a very tough age for guys. Things get waaay better after 30.

[–]trpdownunder 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Really man? Can you explain this concept a little more? I've been lurking for about a year and I've always come across the idea that after 30 things get a whole lot better for guys. But I've never really seen the logic behind this.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I should add this stipulation: your 30s will be better as long as you continue to work on yourself. That kind of work takes time.

It takes time to figure out a good, sustainable diet. It took me at least 8 years into my 20s. Before that, I either went broke trying to eat healthy or barely survived on ramen.

It takes time to find an exercise routine that's realistic for you, one that you won't give up. It also takes time to see results.

It certainly takes time to move up in your career. I'm not a gifted genius, but the little bit of extra I've done at work plus seniority has gone a long way. I've finally learned to be punctual and professional, that's more than I can say for a lot of my colleagues and raises and promotions will happen when you work for the right organization.

Heck, I've even learned how to style my receding hairline (started when I was 19).

Basically, the 30s are better because you become better at all the shit you fuck up on in your 20s. Meanwhile, all the dudes that got lucky with perfect bodies, money from their parents, and good looks only have one way to go (down), they never learn to be better because they started at the top in the first place. The dating market shifts in your favor. You've played the fool in your 20s, had awkward dates, and fell a little too hard for a few girls. Now you know better. Not just know, but really know. The kind of understanding that only comes with real life experience. Girls notice it.

[–]Philhelm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

An older man, assuming he has not let himself go, will likely have a higher SMV than his younger self. A 20-year-old man represents potential, while the older version could represent potential realized.

[–]human_bean_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You reap what you sow. You sow in your twenties. You reap in your thirties. If you don't keep improving and pushing yourself, all age will bring you is loneliness, bad health, drug addictions and misery.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had an odd reversal of sorts. I matched with this average looking Korean chick on Tinder and we hit it off pretty well. Her Tinder pics were pretty bad, and I just humored it because w/e.

I ask for more pics and it's like she was fucking rusing me because she went from a 5 to a 7 automatically and I found out she works out everyday like I do. By this time I saw a "post workout pic" of her which persuaded me even more, and I set up a date immediately. We ended up meeting two consecutive weekends where we fooled around the first weekend and I took her virginity the second weekend.

I don't know if she was a virgin for real, but she was a freshman at a university and she came from a conservative Korean family. This was in my "not so quite" red pill days (aka I acted it sort of but didn't follow through 100%), and she actually dropped me to start hooking up dudes on the reg at her own university.

It's weird having a girl look worse in pictures, but better in real life haha.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Amen brother. I became newly single two years ago at 42. I'd been out of the game for 15 years too and I thought it was all over for me. As it happens, and what a surprise this was to me, it's now me who is the hot commodity. 40+ is definitely the age for a man to be single.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

you made that shit sound like an ancient fucking curse.

I told the fat troll to leave, never to return to THESE lands, again.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 33 points34 points  (6 children)

It's really curious how women become more jaded, bitter and demanding towards men as they age, as if that somehow increases their odds of finding a quality man. It strikes me that they've fooled themselves into thinking they appreciate in value like men with their travel stories and extensive cock-hopping experience.

Finding a bubbly, sweet 30+ year old is an effort in futility. If they don't have the thousand-cock stare they've got a collection of cats to listen to them bitch about men.

[–]GentleGiant350 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's called the alpha widow effect. Think of it this way: in everything else in life, you expect it to get better and better with age and experience right? You're going to live in a better house, drive a better car, have a better job? You know what I mean? The problem is is that with women, relationship wise and sexually speaking, it pretty much started going downhill the moment they started. This is the one case in the human situation where things don't get better the older and more experienced you get. A lot of women just simply can't understand that. You have to remember they've been fed the same blue pill that you were and that we all were. They believe the bullshit that their white knight fathers told him just as much as we did.

they just can't wrap their head around the fact that they missed the boat.I can understand that on a certain level, because the realization of what you missed would have to smart pretty bad.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Imagine an A-level actor who used to make $20 million per picture but is now starting to age and gain a little weight.

He demands $25 million for his next picture since he figures he's worth more because of his experience, but the studios are only willing to pay him $15 million because he's not looking as good as he used to.

Now $15 million is not bad at all, but he's outraged that he's having to accept less, so he walks away rather than taking the $15 million paycheck.

Even if he does take the $15 million check, he's insulted that he has to stoop so low. He acts like a prima donna on the set and the studio swears to never work with him again once they part ways.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 56 points57 points  (0 children)

No one is going to tell them, "listen, I realize you were a 6, but you aren't any more. You'll NEVER be a 6 again in your life. There is literally nothing you could do. And for every 1 guy who might date you at your age, there's literally 100 of you. Either you stop making those fucking outrageous demands and go get me a beer, or fucking forget me even talking to you."

Someone on this subreddit told a story about a frank discussion with a woman approaching 30. They went on a date and ended up at her place but she didn't want sex until the Nth date, where N would end up taking months. He decided to try to enlighten her instead of just walking out and had an honest RP discussion with her. He said something like: while you make me wait, the 21 year olds out there will have sex with me on the first date, so why should I choose you? She told him to get out.

I wish I could find the story again, it was a great one.

Edit: FOUND IT with some search-fu - it's called "A Tale of Two Women", a great post from /u/alfredthegreatest

As anyone that uses internet dating knows, it's very rare that a hot girl will actually send you a message unsolicited. When they do, I always put them at top priority for an actual date. It indicates a high level of interest, and in the past most of the best girls I've met online messaged me first. So, when I saw an unrecognized hot girl's image in my inbox, I was pleased.

Marissa is 31 years old. As consistent with redpill philosophy, I've noticed older women to fit all the stereotypes. They expect more. They appreciate less. They treat dates like job interviews. I was in an LTR with a woman three years older than myself during my mid-twenties (I'm 30 now) and I had more or less sworn older women off after that. But Marissa seemed cool, she was clearly interested, and could have easily passed for a hot 25 year old. Also, I didn't have anything else going on this Thursday night, so I scheduled a date with her at a sushi joint I like.

The date went well, despite Marissa hitting me with many job interview style questions about my life. It was all classic stuff for a woman her age, so I didn't think much of it. She was fun to talk to and seemed pleasant. Dinner was over, I made out with her a bit in the parking lot after walking her to her car, and the night was over. The last thing she said to me was “kissing on a first date? Oh, my.” I just laughed and walked away.

I set up a second date with her on Saturday. I would be picking her up this time, so I figured the chance of getting up to her apartment after dinner was pretty good. Things went pretty much as planned, and after a little resistance in my truck after dinner she agreed to let me come upstairs to drink the bottle of wine I just happened to have with me.

This is where things went south fast. As soon as we sit down on her couch with some wine it began.

Marissa: You're pretty forward.

Me: Yeah. What can I say? I like you.

Marissa: I'm looking for a relationship, not just some sex. The last guy I dated just wanted to have sex. He just lost interest when I didn't put out.

Me: Oooookay... Well, how many dates did you go on with him?

Marissa: Six. He was moving way too fast for me. Why are guys like that?

Me: What kind of guy was he? Like... Early to mid thirties, attractive and gainfully employed?

Marissa: Obviously. I wouldn't date a guy with less.

At this point I had to resist laughing. I could tell by her body language and tone that there was zero chance of me having sex with her that night. I also knew from her blabbering that six dates wasn't enough either. Normally in a situation like this I'd take one final pass at her and make an excuse to leave. But something happened... I had a terrible urge. I liked this woman. I wanted to help her. So I decided to tell the truth.

Clearly nobody had sat her down and explained to her that she was doing it wrong. But she still had a chance. If she could lock down a guy in the next few years she could still have that family she clearly wanted. Maybe I could help her understand?

Me: Listen, you've asked me a lot of questions about why guys do what they do. Do you want the truth?

Marissa: Yes! It's really cool to hear a guy's perspective on all this stuff.

Me: Okay. Clearly you want a relationship, not just sex. But for a guy to know if you're worth having a relationship with, he will want to have sex with you first. For guys it's sex first, relationship second.

Marissa: Not with me it isn't. I have standards.

Me: So you always wait at least seven dates to have sex with a guy?

Marissa: Well... Not all the time in the past, but now I do. I want to see if the guy really likes me. If he doesn't stick around it must mean he doesn't.

Me: The fact that this last guy you dated stuck around for six dates with no sex is an indication he probably did like you. Six dates and no sex will make a guy assume you aren't into them. You're setting yourself up for failure. The bottom line is that the guys you want to date can date women ten years younger than you. Those girls don't withhold sex. You do.

Marissa: I don't withhold anything! I just want to take it slow...

Me: The younger version of you is out there not taking it slow, and she's competing with you for the attention of guys like me. I'm not saying you have to go sleep with a guy after one or two dates... but seriously. You just talked to me for an hour about all the ways I'm not going to get to have sex with you. This is a red flag to a guy that just met you.

Marissa: It's late. I have breakfast with my mom tomorrow. You should go.

Needless to say this was our last date. The Redpill truth did not go over well.

I scheduled a date with Jane on Monday. She's fun, hot, and 22 years old. We were back at my place having crazy sex within three hours of meeting. She just spent the whole day with me yesterday fucking and watching Adult Swim cartoons.

Marissa thinks there is a guy out there that will choose six sexless, and expensive, job interview dates with her over six nights of eating in, watching movies, and fucking like rabbits. I tried to help this woman, but she will likely waste her last chances to find a decent mate and end up alone.

The lesson? Don't bother trying to explain Redpill reality to a woman. Your good advice will be always be ignored, and you will be punished for bearing bad news. Don't waste your date time on women older than their mid-twenties, no matter how appealing they might otherwise seem. The odds do not favour you having a good experience, and your time is too important to waste.

[–]pilledwillingly 23 points24 points  (4 children)

I've got a workmate who wines and dines his 45yo girlfriend. He's 50. He borrows money every week to keep her in the lifestyle she demands. Here's the kicker: He makes $2,500 a week.

[–]Luscious_Fox 11 points11 points [recovered]

.....does she look like a 9/10 25y/o?

[–]1independentmale 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I haven't seen her, but I'll offer up a hearty "Hell no." She's straining the income of a 6 figure man, it doesn't matter what she looks like, the bitch ain't worth it. "The lifestyle she demands," indeed. There are younger, hotter girls available with none of her demands.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

at least they aren't married...he can't lose everything to her in a horrific divorce.

[–]SwissPablo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You totally nailed it. "Where have all the good men gone?" is the lament of the woman who had access to all those "good men" in her 20s. Now they expect men to pay full price for second-hand goods and wonder why they'd rather go for something newer.

[–]a_nus 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My mom's 50 y/o and single. She has such high expectations from men it's ridiculous. She's dated millionaires and ripped guys, but never a ripped millionaire (which is what she's waiting for.)

Well her time is running out exponentially. I told her the other day straight up that no one her age is going to be attracted to her, let alone a younger, ripped millionaire. I told her her best bet is to find an old dude with money.

[–]grewapair 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's what I would suggest to anyone 40 and over: find someone at least 60 years old. But of course, my jaw would hurt for a week if I dared to mention anything other than what they hear on facebook: You are AMAZING and DESERVE the very best, so I keep my mouth shut.

[–]OilyB 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol, I'm seeing it happen all around me, and I'm the one who gets to be picky... I love being 48 man!

[–]doublereignbeau 241 points242 points  (4 children)

That sweet sweet instance when the AF/BB strategy backfires and she's left with neither.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 93 points94 points  (3 children)

It is some delicious schadenfreude. I savor it whilst banging someone her daughter's age.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Why limit yourself. Go bang her daughter for bonus shadenfreude points.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I have, it's fun, but mom always freaks out and wants me to herself. Shut up bitch, your daughter's mouth is full.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 332 points333 points  (108 children)

I always get a small tingle in me belly whilst reading this shit. It's nice to know that it all balances out in the end. As I get older, seeing girls I went to high school with age faster than a Mayfly. All the shitty behavior, bitchy attidudes, selfishness, rationalization, etc, it all comes full circle. While they become invisible, I'm becoming more and more apparent. I can pass for 5 or more years younger, they can pass for 10 years older.

It really is comical in a way, and to see reality slap them in te face so hard is like watching knockout videos on YouTube. You just wait in anticipation, because you know it's coming at any minute.

[–]watersign 66 points67 points  (62 children)

word is bond dude! I can pass for 19 or 20 and im in my late 20s. shits just getting better for me!

[–]1oldredder 74 points75 points  (49 children)

Yup. Same here, pass for 22-28 and I'm 38. I see the single moms who are 10 years younger than me but look 10 years older than me and I laugh a little inside. Is it wrong to feel an evil glee at how well aging treats the holder of XY? Too damn bad.

Women get a pussy pass on XX for a shit ton of things. But one thing counts above all: TIME. Your aging. Your life essence.

Too fucking bad. We got this one, gents.

[–]redzorp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To give you younger guys even more hope (of what is possible) - I'm 49 and can easily pass for 35. Some say I could pass for 30, even under 30, but I won't personally claim that much. Helps that I have deep brown skin (similar to black don't crack I guess).

Eat right. Work out. Make money.

Your SMV will continue to rise well into your 40s, while all those hotties you went to high school with start to fall off a cliff as early as 28.

When I was 17, I clearly remember some of my sister's friends who were 19-20 at the time, and hot. Recently met up with them at a funeral. They're early 50s now and look like dumpy grandmas! Meanwhile, I'm overall more attractive than what I looked like as a teenager.

It does indeed all balance out in the end. In fact, I would go further and say that men have the upper hand, by far, when you look at the totality of life.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 14 points15 points  (25 children)

[–]JayViceroy 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I applaud this anecdotal evidence about a very select few women, however I would also bet that there's a bunch of wrinkly asses and flapjack titties under a lot of those dresses.

[–]strayaura 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I work as a massage therapist and can say over the thousand of bodies I have touched, it's not a race thing.. it's all to do with genetics.. some people age well, most dont... but I have found that black men and women have better moisturized skin... maybe that why they have less wrinkles in general... I have worked on a few 40 year olds with absolutely stunning bodies... but they worked for them, and ate correctly.

[–]kratol 17 points17 points [recovered]

Black people don't visibly age as much, because their skin is far more protected by being black.

It's like being asian.

White people have it bad unfortunately. The aging I'm seeing in all of my white women peers compared to my asian / black ones is pretty sad :(

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Melanin color can range from yellow to black. They protect you from uv rays.

That's why when a white from the north goes to Jamaica they come back looking ghoulish if they don't use sunscreen.

[–]orangebeans2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

21 pages of ads for one article.

[–]1oldredder 7 points8 points  (11 children)

upvote for truth - especially on that Halle Berry.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 12 points13 points  (10 children)

Angela Bassett is 55?!! GTOF How is it possible she looks so good at that age?

If that 50 y.o. columnist looked like Angela Bassett, she would not be having any problems dating.

[–]1oldredder 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Ya. I just checked, Strange Daze was 1995 if you can fucking believe it. 20 years later and doing pretty damn good, she is.

[–]seattleron 20 points20 points [recovered]

Hell yeah. So glad I'm a dude. Most guys look way younger than they are, and the opposite is true for most women. We didn't make the rules, but if we're smart the rules can work in our favor.

[–]watersign 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Living by these words for the next few years or so ..Disregard females, acquire currency.

[–]pilledwillingly 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I've never been guessed at over 23, and I'm nearly 29. Hell I didn't start shaving until 21. Girls my age didn't give a fuck about me at 18. They had their 23-28 year old boyfriends, I looked 16, not a chance. Now I'm dating a 19 year old and the girls on facebook from high school are locking in 36 year olds. Not difficult to see how it's going to go.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am always told 25-27, I am 31. It's very satisfying still getting 18-24 yr olds on a regular basis.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 29 points30 points  (1 child)

She freely admits when she was younger she was "gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull". In her 20's and declining into 30's, she would have been the one with the upper hand, playing the game for all it's worth. Now the tables have turned. Seems like fair play to me - nature balancing its books.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yup, that's it. It comes full circle. And she admits she was someone no one should look up to.

[–]Wings_of_pain 38 points38 points [recovered]

Dude I thought it wasn't real until I saw a gf I had from high school (my first) on Instagram and bruh she went from 165ish to 265ish and all across her Instagram are pictures about 'real woman have curves', 'only real men can handle her' etc etc. when I was in high school I was a power lifter but didn't watch my weight and got fat. I was strong as shit but fat. She left me and broke my pathetic little heart and went for the guy with a car and more experience with women although he was very 'beta' in his behavior (passive, shy amongst men, skinny fat). But now she's 25 and I'm 21 and I've dropped 60 lbs and have hit 400 on bench at 210 and although I'm not rolling in cash or the most ripped stud I've been in university, and I've made gains in the gym and stopped being strait up obese.

Anyway this girl was so stuck up and I felt like shit that she fucked another guy but now she so fucking fat not even the most shameless dude would smash and I can't help but feel disgusted by her. She was so full of herself back when I was with her because she was Amber rose thick but because she ate like shit, drank, and hoed around instead of doing anything recreational she has nothing to show for anything in her life. No college. No decent body. Not interesting, educated or anything else worth talking about. This girl showed me how not only are these things real but it's sometimes isn't enough to make them realize they are nothing and they retain, somehow, that same sense of conceit and arrogance.

Ps. Sorry I know it sounds like hate but it's personal and although I've read the stories here on redpill, I truly couldn't appriciate until it happened in my life.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But now she's 25 and I'm 21

The sad thing for her is, she's cresting in her physical prime, and if she had taken care of herself with that kind of a Amber Rose body, she could still be getting tons of attention and extend her prime out another 5-10 years.

There are a whole lot of girls in the West who could go from below average/WNB to cute/WB with nothing more than watching what they eat and exercising. So many women wish they had the fat booty and curves of Amber Rose, and work out obsessively to get it to no avail. This chick had a body a lot of men see as ideal, and she threw it away in her youth.

[–]pcadrian 15 points15 points [recovered]

I especially like the question at the end. Should I be prepared to change? In the entire 50 years she spent on this planet, it hasn't occurred to her that she needs to work on herself so men find her attractive and want to stick around.

[–]marty2k 27 points28 points  (6 children)

That's the way it works, man. Women are valued for beauty, men are valued for their skills and personality. Men get more attractive as they age, women get less. Most women are only attractive from 16-35 (if lucky), men can be attractive from 16-70 if they play their cards right. It's like the difference between someone winning the lottery when they're young and someone investing and saving from a young age. The lottery winner will have a hell of a time for a few years, but will be back at McDonalds with no job prospects and no life while the guy who invested and saved will be set for life.

I'm lucky, everyone in my family has a full head of hair that is still mostly the same color after 50, take care of myself, and I have a bit of a baby face. I'll be pulling hot 20-30 year old girls (maybe fuck some desperate 40 year old on my off days) until my dick doesn't work.

[–]brodybrooklyn 2 points2 points [recovered]

Yeah, I feel you. My grandfather is 80 and and has lots of hair on his head. Barely any sign of balding. So was my father, at 50, had full dark hair.

[–]thederpist666 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I remember I went to a place and asked a woman if she was a 20 something year old's mom. Apparently they were around the same age. It was embarrassing, but I can't help laugh looking back at it and how some people really let themselves go.

[–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Almost exactly ten years after high school I ended up fucking a woman that I had been attracted to back in high school but wouldn't have given me the time of day back then. We were only 27-28 at that point, so she wasn't haggard yet, but it felt good knowing which way the wind was blowing. It was disappointing though that she wasn't even a good lay. Oh well.

[–]the99percent1 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Don't be so harsh on them... They are also following the bluepill mentality and never had guidance from a proper fatherly figure.

Their entitlement will be the source of so much of their unhappiness later on in life. As someone who can empathize, that feeling must be so dreadfully awful. Not funny at all.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I didn't say it was funny, but it excites me because of what will happen to me(n) in general, not because of what will happen to them (women). Things really do get better for men as time goes on. That's a complete 180 from when you're young, dumb, broke, and (most likely) a beta.

A lot of women could ease into older age with grace, femininity, in touch with reality (if they're being honest with themselves), and holding onto their beauty until their mid to late 30's, but that almost always doesn't happen.

It's just nice to know things even out, because life as a young, broke, naive beta is no fucking fun at all.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, it "balances out in the end". But isn't it sad that it has to, that everyone has to have their shitty period in life? It didn't need to turn that way, everything was going relatively fine, then women asked for feminism and men gave it to them. It's self-engineered misery.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. But that's how they wanted it. Careful what you wish for.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 84 points85 points  (5 children)

"Nice of you to think so," Jack said. "But I'd go for the firm arse and tits, always, without question."

This is the hard truth that she and many other women need to hear.

[–]1Zackcid 44 points45 points  (1 child)

I was quite surprised by his frank, honest answer... But then I remembered that he's talking to a 50-year old. He ain't got shiieet to prove anymore!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The older you get, the less fucks you have to give.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Before they frivolously divorce the man they have. But "you go girl" sounds so much better to them than reality.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 25 points26 points  (0 children)

many other women need to hear.

What's sad though is that for all these articles that get written, it seems that none of them actually say, "hey young women, listen up, you need to find a good man and lock him down!"

Every single one of these articles that I see is about shaming and criticizing men.

[–][deleted] 146 points147 points  (5 children)

I laughed when the first writer said she looks for the "silver foxes . . . the tall well-travelled well-used ones." As we know, all guys are tall and keep a beautiful head of hair as they age. /s

In reality she's doing exactly the same damn thing its just her criteria is a little less obvious. Solipsism at its finest, gentlemen.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that. She's still ignoring the majority of men her age, and then complaining when the top 20% are enjoying the top 20%.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

And meanwhile she makes this contradictory statement.

All the women I know are tolerant of middle age showing itself in a chap.

Yeah, they'll tolerate it for beta bucks once they've been kicked off the carousel.

[–]Vid-Master 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yep, being tall and handsome and acting / looking like George Clooney is the most attractive possibility for an older man.

The extreme muscles don't really do it anymore, the money and "sharp and clean" look do.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don't think extreme muscles ever "did it". Ideally you should be aiming for a balanced physique with proportional muscle development and low body fat. Then again I would say do whatever makes you happy and confident as that is the real purpose of lifting.

[–]dicklord_airplane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yep. a total lack of self-awareness.

[–]jamoni22 139 points139 points [recovered]

Bet her ex husband is laughing his ass off in bed with the babysitter.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRSGcx9uvTk but which laugh does is he doing?

[–]Blake55 55 points56 points  (1 child)

"I bet you were gorgeous when you were young"

That is the greatest neg I have ever heard of.

[–]reddishman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holy shit you are right ! Say this to a 21 yo and you are gold !

[–]averageredditor123 106 points107 points  (7 children)

There probably are older men who would date her, but she's ignoring them because they aren't attractive enough. So there's the irony.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Or they are not using online dating to find women her age

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Both. The entitled cunts online want Sean Connery but they look like Melissa McCarthy with wrinkles. The guys who have value don't bother online, we are out fucking girls half our age that we keet in person. The guys trying online are desperate losers she won't fuck even if they pay her.

A bro of mine is ten years older than me, he married his 3rd wife, previous two died, and the chick he uas now had to be an 8 when I was in grade school. She is five inches taller than him, he's fat and bald, isn't close to retirement. She lowered her standards so as to not be alone. Most bitches won't. Let them be lonely, I'm not.

[–]Purecorrupt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sidenote not totally related - I'm starting to look at taller girls (5'7"-10") myself. I'm 5'9" and they seem to be a lot more available. It only makes sense if the proportion of tall males and females are equivalent and men that are 6'0" take girls that are 5'4" and under there has to be a disparity. Then again 5" difference with the female being taller seems to be a bit of a stretch.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been sticking to girls between 5'5 and 5'8 they fit pretty good in bed, are usually too tall for the over 6' guys, and are easy. Occasionally one outside that range filters through, but I like em between 5'6 and 5'7 best. Tall and thin, and half my age. I'm 5'8, my bud is 5'5 and she is taller than I am. The wedding pics make it obvious, and she wore flat shoes.

[–]tropicalpolevaulting 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh there are a lot of men her age willing to date her, but you wanna bet they're "not her type"? No degree/social status/money/whatever else is on her list, so they're invisible...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the real kicker. A 45 year old woman who won't date anyone over 46, because the just don't do anything for her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 38 points39 points  (1 child)

they aren't looking at me

The sole reason for this solipistic hamster rant. She wouldn't have written this 20 years ago for her older sisters while still on the cock carousel, that's for sure.

[–]AnotherLostCause 32 points33 points  (0 children)

She has an article on the manosphere as well. She knows why she has no value, her hamster just wont accept it. TRP is hard for men; imagine having to accept you screwed you life by listening to "you go girl" nonsense in your twenties and there is nothing you can do to change that. Men at any age still have self improvement.

[–]1raceAround126 70 points71 points  (12 children)

Most have an underdeveloped EQ

I have found my midrange has tailed off as I got older. This article is funny though. Maybe if she spent some time in the gym things would be a little different for her.

As for the comments, I bet most of those women at 25 said the same shallow shit to some overweight orbited too. "If only I fancied you" or "I'm shallow. I can't help it!"

Just deserts bitches!

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 35 points36 points  (10 children)


A useful mnemonic device for that is that Sahara only has one S, and therefore so does desert. Not disregarding the rest of your post, just trying to help you be the best you can be.

But to comment on that, it's likely that her problem is, in fact, just desserts. Maybe if she laid off she wouldn't get passed by quite so often.

Edit: Autocorrect made me look real learnt

[–]PickItUp-PutItDown 21 points21 points [recovered]

It's actually "just deserts", with one S. In this case "desert" referring to "that which one deserves"

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Huh. I didn't know that. Thanks public school.

[–]pilledwillingly 16 points17 points  (1 child)

'Pneumonic device'.... that's pretty ironic right?

[–][deleted] 127 points128 points  (7 children)

blahblahblah. im a woman, hear me complain. nag nag nag. waaa waaa waaa.

[–]ShitArchonXPR 20 points21 points  (6 children)

"I bet you were gorgeous when you were young," I was told recently, via message, like that was supposed to be a compliment. Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You're right, mate, you'd have much preferred me then.

Damn right I would have fuck the shit out of her. Just gag her while having sex, it becomes 300% hotter. I should know, I'm into BDSM

What makes her think I want to be around women for their personality? Their personalities are shit.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

If she has one, she's been cultivating it for all of...5 years? She has the personality of a 9 year old boy.

[–]ShitArchonXPR 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As far as platonic interests are concerned, I'd much rather hang out with a 9-year-old boy; at least we could play Call of Duty or something instead of having them get offended at me for no good reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I probably would, too. His goal would be to have fun instead of getting validation for himself. God they are selfish creatures. Of course our society made them that way, so there's no point in getting mad at natural human reaction to events, but still...

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

"It's disheartening that [wealthy, powerful, high-status] men in their 50s seem so focused on looks... They are not looking at me. They are looking at women half their age."

I'm sure there are plenty of 50-something men are looking at her, but since they aren't investment bankers they might as well be wallpaper to her.

[–]Iloveyou-Iknow 59 points59 points [recovered]

Men are programmed to be attracted to young and fertile women. 2 million years of evolution and she comes up with "I m smart, cultured but men don't like me anymore, men are pedophiles"

It doesnt matter whether it is 2015, BC6000 or 34.520 the year of the laser mars colonization wars. As a female she has a ticking clock that says "find a mate and give birth before 40, or your genes wont be transferred to the next generation and you will die infertile"; this clock along with the "build a career and become financially independent before you give birth" obligation, becomes a time conflict for women. There you have idealist (settle down and fulfill your biologic duty to your species asap!") and the realist (make a career, get a good job; you can support your man, or think about a child only then if you are still fertile). Vin DiCarlo explains this well.

I love women, I have no bitter feelings against them at all, they are the reason I have read on and practiced attraction and seduction; but they have to face the fundamental facts that;

1- Attraction is not a choice, it's an evolutionary process that makes sure you mate with the partner with the best genes. You can't choose who you will fall in love with consciously, your DNA do that for you. 2- Males of the homo sapiens species are attracted to fertile females who look healthy. It's up to you to project physical health, and fertility. 3- Females have a biological clock that makes them infertile after menopause. Your biological obligation to your species is to give birth before that. This is why orphanages are a thing and women try everything including artificial insemination and other treatments to have their own child before having to adopt a cute, poor little child from an orphanage. (This is the easiest genetical obligation to ignore for us men. I am programmed to desire sex with all attractive females I see, but not to have children and bring them up myself.)

[–]dicklord_airplane 8 points9 points  (1 child)

it's not just male humans who are instinctually driven to seek young fertile females. this is how all male mammals behave. i wish that people could step out of our human narcissism and look at ourselves as another species on planet earth. sex and romance make a lot more sense when you do so.

[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is an older documentary series by a guy named Desmond Morris. Some of the science is a bit dated (1994), but overall it is very good, and highly informative. Produced by the BBC.

Just did a search for it, and here it is. I think it is exactly what you are looking for. Fucking fascinating stuff.

The Human Animal

Edit; it explores all facets of humanity from the perspective of a Zoologist studying an animal. Body language, sexuality. Going to have to watch it again myself since discovering TRP, see how it holds up. I do know that a large number of people absolutely hated it, mostly Christians.

[–]pissoutofmyass 6 points6 points [recovered]

Not only that, but most of our sexual behaviors and preferences are much older than just our species and can likely be traced back to man's first sexual ancestor, which we share with all other sexually reproducing species. These preferences are billions of years old.

[–]Thor_The_Dog 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Hundreds of millions would be a stretch. Billions is ludicrous

[–]2alisonstone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why guys pay for do stuff for girls, pay for dinner, etc, he is purchasing fertility. They only do it because high quality eggs have a lot of value. If a woman does not have eggs any more, there is no reason for guys to give her special favors any more. She can still date, but she has to bring stuff to the table. There are some men who don't want kids (or don't want any more kids). She'll have to be a great companion. There are some men who are not financially stable and need a two income household. She'll have to spend money on the relationship, not have money be spent on her.

A woman who is not young and fertile cannot expect men to keep giving her stuff just because she exists. She is now a "strong, independent woman", whether she likes it or not and she has to earn her way through the world like a man would (sperm is cheap as it is constantly produced, men just shoot it all over the place for fun).

[–]watersign 113 points114 points  (26 children)

What women go through after they hit the wall is what 80% of men go through until they're about 30 before they see the light at the end of the tunnel, if they aren't totally blue pill.

With todays over indulgence in social media, I think in the future you will see a high suicide rate amongst many women because the constant validation will go from over-bearing to completely non-existent.


[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 79 points80 points  (0 children)

After I dumped my cheating ex she went suicidal. Don't think she would have gone through with it, but family members would call me saying she hasn't eaten in days, always crying, etc. And this was months after we broke up. Some women just can't handle the fact that their magical pussy powers won't solve all problems

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I think in the future you will see a high suicide rate amongst many women because the constant validation will go from over-bearing to completely non-existent.

Nah, they will just "almost kill themselves" so then they do get some attention. Most women are too pussy shit to actually kill themselves.

What women go through after they hit the wall is what 80% of men go through until they're about 30 before they see the light at the end of the tunnel, if they aren't totally blue pill.

Nobody gives a fuck about men, including the majority of men. Nut up and shut up only goes one way.

A woman's crying? Poor woman. A man's crying? What a bitch. That sentiment is shared by both sexes. People have less sympathy for men. People care less about men. Men are disposable to everyone. Wombs are precious. An infertile woman is basically a man, and even then they get an easier time of it. Welcome to our world lady. Don't be mad the guys who were never worth a shit worked their asses off to be something in the world. They're the winners. You're a loser because you got drunk on the power of your feminine youth and thought it would last forever. These bitches really have no fucking idea at all. Easier to just blame everything on men rather than self-reflect on your poor life choices, which of course, is what the majority of women do. I know if I do badly in life then that's my fault. I don't blame the nearest woman, or an ex-girlfriend, or the women around me at present. Women would rather blame anyone other than themselves for their own shortcomings. I guess realising you're a piece of shit is difficult when you're so emotionally volatile.

[–]Happyhappyjoyjoy123 26 points27 points  (17 children)

I actually hope there are not mass suicides among older women. My mom is an older woman.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

My mom (who divorced my dad nearly 20 years ago) was very attractive when young. She barely had to work in her life and only recently got her first higher paying job and has been paying her own way after spending most of it ripping people off. She's also raging alcoholic for reasons this article and commentators point out.

[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (1 child)

At least she still has a (strong?) man in her life. You. Many of these women don't have that.

[–]le_king_falcon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You won't see a high suicide rate among women. They already attempt it way way more often than men yet far fewer actually finish the deed.

[–]1oldredder 65 points66 points  (6 children)

A shame bees don't waste their time pollinating dead flowers too.

Oh, bees know better because it's the natural order and actually works?

Too fucking bad, then. Looks like she can't even find some bees for her bonnet. I guess she'll have to go to box wine & cats.

[–]Rougepellet 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Men's brains are so limited.

Explains why the greatest strategists, philosophers and scientists were mostly men. if thats just a man's limited brain women must have IQs of 250+

[–]BlueInq 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Don't you see... Who has been behind all the great disasters throughout history? It's been men every time! It was a man that was piloting the Hindenburg. It was a man that decided to invade Russia in 1941. It was a man that decided New Coke was a good idea.

I think she is onto something here, we should welcome this new era of enlightened women leading the way.

[–]Waldo00 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Sophia is gold.rest are nuts. Yeah men are fucking assholes for being attracted to certain things. Fuck those shallow simple beings. Wait he's not a alpha? Fuck that coward.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

This silly twit has another article asking why a tall, handsome guy 20 years her junior would bother dating her. Women can never just enjoy their lives because of their unassailable need to constantly ask why?

[–]gg_s 20 points21 points  (1 child)

They aren't even remotely interested in knowing the answer, it's just a call to consensus. She needs reassurance that the herd shares her perplexion.

[–]watersign 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Most women fail to realize when they're young that they aren't going to age like demi moore.

[–]1oldredder 7 points8 points  (7 children)

ick, even that's just nasty.

Sharon Stone I can say at least has aged well. Demi Moore? Nooo... no. So much no.

[–]Darthstacker 10 points11 points  (5 children)

[–]1oldredder 8 points9 points  (3 children)

ouch. Hadn't seen that one. I will retract that statement as fast as a boner naked in a hailstorm.

[–]bakbakgoesherthroat 6 points7 points  (2 children)

She looks fine for her age. We all get old eventually.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull.

She still seems self-absorbed, shallow, over-sensitive and dull.

Many older women seem to think that they're more attractive than younger women in everything but their body, and that those bastard men only care about looks. In truth, many older women would be less attractive than younger women even without considering their looks and age.

[–]gg_s 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Not to mention the extreme sense of entitlement.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Just because you age, that does not make you smarter, more interesting, more educated, etc. People don't seem to understand how much daily work must go into becoming more anything.

[–]Prattler26 15 points16 points  (0 children)

older, more interesting woman

She is old, but she isn't much smarter, nor more empathetic towards men.

Why are older men looking at women half their age?

Does she at least try to find the answer, does she try to understand men and empathize with men? No, the whole article is "me me me".

[–]redundanteater 26 points26 points [recovered]

It's always funny to see someone mention EQ as if it's an actual thing. EQ was invented in the mid-to-late 1980s to measure conformity to the social norms of whoever was designing the research instrument.

Brief Field Report. I was out at lunch with a bunch of people with whom I had been vaguely associated. I am a professional and must occasionally socialize with people in the same field, but who do not work in the same workplace. Since I am at the top of my profession, by necessity I'm over 40. The rest of the table was also over 40. Most of the people at the table were women.

Someone mentioned that they had seen me with a new young woman. I replied that she was my current GF. That person said--probably to be snarky--that she was younger than the previous GF. I replied that she was, and that my GFs were getting younger and younger the further I got past 40.

This rustled some jimmies and the woman sitting next to me asked why? I said that nowadays I would never consider dating a woman over 35. She replied that there were a lot of women over 40 who were single. I said that people over 40 come with too much baggage. Look at me, I said, I have two ex-spouses, a bunch of kids, I don't look like a 20 year old any more. I don't want to date or deal with any of that. I don't want to date me. I want to date someone young and unencumbered and not all worn out from life and bad choices. She then asked me about having meaningful conversations with someone who shared my interests and passions. I said that I could care less about that stuff and just want to watch baseball and drink beer. She gaped at me like a stunned trout in the bottom of a shitty canoe half full of stagnant water.

[–]1independentmale 4 points5 points  (1 child)

a new young woman

younger than the previous

meaningful conversations

She hit most of the shaming points. Typical.

The idea that young women have nothing to offer other than their bodies is bullshit, anyway. Their personalities are better; they are usually much more eager to please and shit test less. They bring a fresh, energetic vibe to the table and contrary to everything a post-wall bitch will tell you, being in her twenties does not mean she's a dumb bimbo.

Several years ago, near the end of my marriage, I (in my early thirties at the time) briefly hung out with a 19 year old who desperately wanted to fuck me. In hindsight, I wish I would have let her, but I was trying to remain faithful to my wife while we were still together. Anyway, this girl just adored me. Followed me everywhere, was down to do whatever I wanted, was thankful and appreciative of the little things. A trip to McDonalds was a real treat to her. She was a total sweetheart and she really looked up to me.

The post-wall woman would question what is wrong with me for preferring a woman like that, which simply proves how completely out of touch she is with the realities of what men want. "You should be with a woman who is your equal." Why? So she can question every decision I make, argue about the most trivial things and constantly challenge my authority? Fuck that. I'm not interested.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You make an excellent point that should be said more. Young women really do have a lot to offer in the area of personality. Fresh, unjaded perspectives, an eagerness to get the most out of life, an appreciation for things greater than themselves instead of being totally self-focused (a trait I've come to associate more often with older women).

I have made acquaintance of women older and younger, seeking them not just for looks but for being interesting people. In my experience, more often than not, the younger ones had better personalities.

Of course that does lead one to think that the very process of aging can have a negative impact on a good personality in a woman. Probably not much of a news flash around here, though.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Men don't seem to grant us the same courtesy.

COURTESY?! Is she seriously pretending that women consciously will go after older men out of sheer politeness and kindness?! Its pure nature! Why are these people so hell bent on convincing themselves and others every natural thing we do is actually 100% intentional?

[–]iamnotfromtexas90 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What's scary is that these dumb bitches really believe this feminist nonsense.

[–]blandboringusername 34 points34 points [recovered]

The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?

The difference is that I place about zero value on a woman climbing to the top of some corporate hierarchy. I've got my own money, thanks. I also don't care how many advanced degrees she has, as long as she's smart enough to be interesting company.

What do I ask in exchange for giving her a pass on literally decades of corporate ass kissing and ladder climbing? Stay out of the sun, don't smoke, watch what you eat, and get some fucking exercise, you lazy fucking pig. Is that so hard, ladies? I guess it is, because 90%+ fail.

Sucks, but give me the young ones if the 40+ "age appropriate" ladies don't understand this simple principle. You did it to yourselves by being giant losers, ladies. ¯\(ツ)

[–]TRP_James 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You mean you don't want to date a dried leather handbag?

You male chauvinistic pig!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

But women are deep. They value many other things besides looks: how many meals he buys, how much money he gives her, how much security he gives her, how much status he confers on her... Oh wait, those aren't deep those are selfish

[–]YuriJackoffski 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do I ask in exchange for giving her a pass on literally decades of corporate ass kissing and ladder climbing? Stay out of the sun, don't smoke, watch what you eat, and get some fucking exercise, you lazy fucking pig. Is that so hard, ladies? I guess it is, because 90%+ fail.

Wash your crotch and learn how to wipe your ass properly is a PSA of mine. Some women are such slobs about this

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Like the late Patrice O'Neal said, the value of pussy is like cars, it ain't like houses. It goes down.

[–]themanbat 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Tell the women you care about in your life to seriously consider marrying older men in their prime childbearing years. Otherwise this fate awaits them.

[–]1Zackcid 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It's already hard enough for me to convince my brain to hit the gym on my "lazy days" because I logically know that it's for my better good. It's gotten easier lately to force myself, but at the end of the day, it's apparent we all still got these silly little monkey brains that are mainly concerned with the immediate and short-term gratification. Longterm thinking is a very recent thing in our evolution. I had to train myself over years to get better at it.

Today's breed of women-children don't stand a chance. Their logical brain might tell them to marry up quick, but shit, that would mean giving up 5-10 years of partying, CC riding, and "girls just wanna have fun!! :D"

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You're right, mate, you'd have much preferred me then.

Yes we would have, much, much preferred you then. To bad your snark blinds you to reality.

The ONLY hope you had was to find a husband and stay loyal to him. Give a man wife goggles when you are young and hot, and he will continue to see you in that way long past the time when no other man sees you.

Or you could just ignore all potential husbands and fuck haawwwt guys during your prime. If you give all your youth and beauty to the haaawt dude with tats and a motorcycle then in the end you get exactly what you put into it then don't you.

Notice how it is the man's fault because they don't want croned up unmarried harpies who have been stretched out and abused by the football team.

You goo giiiiirrrlz.

P.S. Fuck off and enjoy your cats while we enjoy the sluts who are giving us newly discovered cads our just deserts. Karma, whore. Karma.

[–]1Zanford 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"It's disheartening that women seem so focused on income. They are not looking at me. They are looking at men twice their own salary."

[–]iiMSouperman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Loads of whiny women upset they didn't exploit their advantage when they had it; now it's gone they feel "hard done by".

[–]Loodu 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sophie: "Only the shallow and crap men do. And they are not the only men that exist. Far from it. It's the same media lie as women needing to worry about their appearance. All of this is only 1% of the reality"

I bet you 100$ that Sophie is a post-wall upper middle class who used to be a jersey-chaser in college and would only date famous athletes back then. But now she thinks men are douches for being sexually attracted to 20-something girls.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I love it, the instant desire to hamster and pass off their problems as the fault of men. Men don't desire me anymore...I must shame them into compliance!

It's a bit sad though. As much as I love a good story about getting just desserts, feminists have really given a lot of women a raw deal. Some chicks don't wake up to their redpill reality until they're 35+, far too late to make a difference. They're lied to as much as we were.

Then again, I'm reminded that they've been swallowing that feminist bluepill with a chaser of endless Alpha cum, so I'm not all that empathetic.

[–]zephyrprime 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The women are lied to more in a way. They're much more susceptible to social conditioning than men are. For them, other people's opinion of them really is reality.

[–]Numeromancer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A woman thinks that what a man wants is a shameful sin, and that what she wants is a commandment from God.

[–]darkstar1031 6 points7 points  (2 children)

See, I could speculate that when these women were in their early twenties they would not have given a second thought to the men who were their own age, they all had their hearts and minds focused like a laser-beam on that unattainable man who was in his mid thirties, with a house, a couple of sports cars, and an endless supply of disposable cash for them to wastefully spend at the mall on the non stop chain of ever changing fashion trends. Then they grew into their thirties, and realized that the fantasy they had been fed by way of soap operas and cheap dimestore fantasy novels was just a pipe-dream, and now they are slowly realizing that they are no longer relevant. Mrs. Stella Grey's problem is not that men are suddenly more shallow, it is that she is still just as shallow and superficial as she was in her twenties, and she doesn't have the looks anymore to distract the men she is attracted to from noticing it. The men she is chasing after are going for the younger more attractive women, because that is what they are genetically programmed to do. Men are built to continue to mate well into the later years of adult-hood, and young, fertile women are the best chance at doing so.

[–]cock_pussy_up 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think the solution is to shame men for being attracted to young women. Call them pedophiles for following the laws of evolution and being attracted to females who are capable of procreation. That'll force their penises to get hard to post-menopausal punani.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Amazing how they all stop giving a shit about looks once they have none.

[–]Chaohinon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, wouldn't it be a shame if a particular age bracket of one particular gender weren't so hung up on looks and status. Golly gee wiz, that sure would be a nice world to live in, wouldn't it?

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Lol, I know plenty of 50+ year old women I'd fuck the shit out of. She just didn't take care of herself and is now whining because nobody likes her anymore. What did she think would happen?

A 50+ year old woman who takes care of herself can have a body of an idealized 30-35 year old, because let's face it, many 18-35 year olds don't have anywhere close to an idealized body. Also, plenty of women, attractive and otherwise, "prefer," as they put it, younger men. This one cougar I know is publicly dating this guy who looks like he's in his early twenties. He's probably at least 30, but he looks like a kid. The thing is, attractive people can get away with shit like that . . . until they can't . . . because they cease being attractive.

However, as I've stated before, it's not looks, it's FERTILITY. When men see a young woman, they don't just see her beauty, they see their potential immortality.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Know what 50 year old pussy tastes like?


[–]Luscious_Fox 3 points3 points [recovered]

I'm not following. Could you explain? (srs)

[–]TimeHo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Depends is a brand of adult diaper in the states.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 3 points4 points  (1 child)


But actually, I do. It tastes like regular pussy.

Caveat, I'm talking about, well-preserved, well-taken-care of, yoga and pilates, organic meats and veggies, no smoking, no drugs, no alcohol, genetic 8-10 pussy 50 year old pussy. If you get that kind, you may be surprised to find that it tastes better than some teenager pussies you've sampled.

I remember when I was 20 and anyone over 30 seemed old. That changed as I got older.

Still, when you talk in a grocery store, occasionally you'll catch a horrible fishy-corpsy smell wafting from somewhere. Inevitably, a REALLY old, like 75-85+ woman will be meandering down the aisle in a cotton summer dress. Can you imagine being some male prostitute so hard up for cash that he can't say no to a client like that? Lolololololololol . . . .

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm 45, it's something of a joke. I'll stick to younger girls, and the occasional experienced girl closer to my age. Have a 42 flying out next week for round two, she has to do something right to get a second go. Not a keeper, but honestly none of them are. I rent them for a while, catch snd release style.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dear Stella Grey: you are a very talented writer and a keen observer of reality, I admired your piece very much and reflects pretty much today's reality. I am in my early 50's and I can vouch for the validity of your observation, your piece should be required reading for everyone, male or female, in their 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's.

Especially for the 20-something and 30-something male, with some additional notes:

Dear 20-something male: you are transparent. Just like Stella Grey is transparent now in her 50's you are transparent in your 20's. You see the 20-something Stella Grey is not looking at you, she's looking for the jock-types and the Alpha males who are in their late 20's and 30's; and of course if they have resources she will dip her toes into the 40's and 50's; they all want to try the older dude.

Dear 30-something male: you're husband material. If you have managed to secure a decent job, you're no longer transparent, but you are Husband Material a stepping stone on a check list, someone who would give her romantic dates, engagement, a wedding, house with white picket fence, kids, and then the de rigueur post-divorce alimony + child support package. And, by the way, while you are dating she's getting cock on the side from her FWB/ex boyfriend who is dumb and broke but fucks her good.

Dear 20-something and 30-something: be patient, your time will come. Once you hit your 40's and 50's you will be, for the first time in your life, in the driver's seat in term of dictating the terms of the relationship, women's Value will decrease and yours will increase. But it's not as easy as being a woman, a woman's effort is still limited to not stuffing her face to become fat, you need to hit the gym, eat properly, have a life of your own, develop a career is you want to desirable as a Man and not as a meal ticket.

All in all is still unfair since you, the guy, have to work a lot harder than a woman to stay in shape; and you have to defend yourself not to become a meal ticket; but then it's just a question of time shifting, women have their pick of the litter in their late teens to 20's and early 30's; we have to wait till our late 30's.

There's nothing you or I can do, complain like Stella Grey serves only to sell copy for her newspaper, if you want to life a satisfactory life, look at reality, and act accordingly.

[–]1Jaereth 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Sol: "I'm about to be 40 this year. I cannot believe that in 2015 while the 'value' of men increases with age, ours, as women, decreases. The point is a man who is just interested is looks is not interesting to me. I want a partner with whom I can talk to, discuss ideas, enjoy all the benefits of having an experienced sexual/love life. The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?"

This is the crux of the fallacy right here. This commentator assumes incorrectly that she holds some superiority over a younger partner because a man can "talk to, discuss ideas and enjoy an experienced lover". As if a woman half her age couldn't actually be intellectually stimulating for a man as well. Or be a good conversationalist. Or be good in the sac.

What she doesn't realize is a successful man in his forties can get a younger girl that can satisfy him in all the ways she can, and in several ways she can't. Weighing the options of dating her or a 22 year old, she definitely is bringing less to the table, and is trying to hamster away this fact by shifting the blame onto the stupid man who can't see what she's really worth.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As if a woman half her age couldn't actually be intellectually stimulating for a man as well. Or be a good conversationalist. Or be good in the sac.

Ego-protection. Or maybe she just remembers how annoying she was when she was that age and honestly can't imagine other girls not being like that. After all, it's hard not letting being treated as if the sun shines out of your ass get to you.

[–]spectrum_92 20 points21 points  (8 children)

To be honest, I feel sympathy for many women in this situation. The fact is, while we on TRP complain that post-feminist society has lied to us, it has also deceived women.

In the past, women were raised to understand that securing a husband was an important key to their happiness and security, and that they only had so long before their ageing bodies made this almost impossible. Today, feminism insists that women should not value men or the obvious long-term benefits of marriage at all (observe the 'to hell with men' comment that OP cites), and that if they really do want to, then, like men, they can wait until they are in their 40s to do so.

What feminism is doing is giving women advice and moral values that are directly contrary to human biology and psychology. While it's enjoyable to gloat about these ageing hags that slept around in their youth, it's worth noting that many of them were never even warned! This is the true evil of modern feminism - it makes women, not just men, miserable.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 21 points22 points  (1 child)

To be honest, I feel sympathy for many women in this situation.

Not really, she admits to having been shallow and dull when she was young and hot. Had she had an epiphany (like "okay, I wasted my time because back then life was as kind to me as it gets for a young piece of hot ass; so I made my bed for now") I would respect her for this, but she's still delusional.

She probably never paid attention to most men whose first choice she was because they weren't hot enough for her; yet now she expects men who are first choice to ignore her lack of hotness.

[–]spectrum_92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right, of course, this particular woman doesn't deserve any empathy considering her total lack of self-awareness. I was referring to women in this situation more generally.

My point is just that many women are behaving recklessly without having anyone warn them of the consequences. In the past, women could still behave promiscuously and have a care-free youth, but society generally looked down on them, and their parents, teachers, friends, etc. could generally be expected to vocally disapprove of their actions and warn them of the long-term consequences. Today, feminism openly celebrates such a lifestyle, and actively encourages women to pursue it, saying that there aren't any consequences, and if there are, that's just proof of a patriarchal and sexist society. So unless a woman is raised in a decent household that checks the influence of modern feminism on their minds, it's unsurprising that they should behave the way so many women do today.

[–]bat_mayn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That moment when you realize this person gets paid a salary to write this garbage. Using a publication as her own personal gripes blog.

She admits to being a vapid bitch when she was younger, right in the article, and still has the audacity to complain about a man's personal desires or attractions.

[–]carpe-jvgvlvm 6 points7 points  (1 child)

LOL, oh wow. The despairing 50+ I know get pissed when I point them to the older generation, too: the nice geriatrics. So much win for them with men over 75 if they start fixing themselves up and sweeten up the personality, drop a few pounds, and can cook. Those guys get good paychecks every month, appreciate women, and most fortunately can't see as well (except Lasix is messing up these ladies' game so they need to stick to cloudy-eyed fellows at first).

[–]cock_pussy_up 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right. Lots of older men would be happy for companionship with a decent woman. It is just that young women have men kissing their butts even if they have ugly, bitchy, annoying personalities and nothing to offer other than their bodies. But when they're older they need to actually be tolerable human beings for men to put up with them for any length of time.

[–]feminist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I wrote a load on this yesterday but didn't post... fuck it

Unedited, just threw some thoughts down as I was reading it - just posted because I pick on some language that demonizes the male sex drive a lot

In general, men don’t seem to grant us the same courtesy, at least not the men I meet online. They are highly focused on the packaging. It’s disheartening. --Stella Grey (pseudonym of course)

That sums it all up right there...

“It’s a shame I don’t fancy you,” he said, “because otherwise you tick all the boxes.”

There seems to be a gender imbalance, vis-a-vis the packaging thing.

Just because you can look past a guys looks and all the way to his house and car, that doesn't make you some fucking edifice of pure intent.

Literally, well I like him money/time/attention, why does he have to like how I look? Oh... because I am not rich. Now I get it. stupid me.

All the women I know are tolerant of middle age showing itself in a chap.

Or... the wallet.

I've never read something so willfully naive (as if painting this as a new thing gives it more clout) or so spectacularly offensive:

So, because some women, reaching a certain age, like older, smiling George Clooney, a modest house at lake Como, then men should be the same?

And, let's not throw everyone into two buckets, eh?

Yes, I was gorgeous, ish, for a while, and self-absorbed, and shallow, and inexperienced, and over-sensitive and dull. You’re right, mate, you’d have much preferred me then.

Implying that just because you've lost your looks, you've magically gained depth, experience and interests? Also, what is meant by "self-absorbed" and "over-sensitive" it's like she's asking to be forgiven for the fact that "all women are self-absorbed and oversensitive". How damn sexist to women this is.

What does it mean to us, as women, to be told that we’re worth less than we used to be?

It's not an invalid question, but the idea that you think men have to change, or that it can change, that men are simply choosing to do this, is immeasurably anti-human.

No man I know has ever been told that his powers, his allure, his charm have faded

Really, I guess you steer clear of the thousand of men on the brink. The tens of thousand of homeless veterans, divorced men who lost everything they'd built up, men who didn't check the boxes to get the care, men who were brought up being second class citizens in education, boisterous and tossed aside. The men in that spectrum have an unbelievable high suicide rate, so high it wildly affects the needle on the suicide rates worldwide.

Oh, but you said men. Those men, those man who have lost their power, they aren't the silver haired men in yachts you're referring to.

I've been told "It's so easy for men to get sex", as if it was a bad thing. Yes, I have money, looks, confidence, but that isn't something I took from you. My success isn't "privilege" it's success.

In many decades when I am some "silver haired man" who hasn't lost his power, it won't be because I am sexist. Or because nature dealt you a bad hand. I will still be looking at 20 year olds.

I am not Jack Nicholas trying to climb stairs so he can have sex with his girlfriend's mom. Give me the girlfriend.

Many women I know in their 50s talk about their invisibility in public places.

WOW. Again, check your fucking privilege. "Oh, the 20 year old in a short skirt get attention". Where in your right mind do you assert the inalienable truth that you have a right to attention? You talk about being invisible as if something was taken away from you. And the entire perspective of the article REEKS of privilege.

You know who else is invisible? Masses of women, of all ages, not being able to get a fair shot at life because of their compounded social situations. Why aren't you writing about the 16 year old black girl who hasn't been told that she can build bridges, fight fires, deliver babies, climb mountains, eh? Why not look into the asymmetry of government spending. Where's your outrage there?

Oh, some white women got ignored after 30, call Boko Haram, they'll pray for you.

What is this, the next front line in feminist-nazism? Men are now required to date 30+ and 40+ women in equal number to 20+.


I’m sure a case could be made for invisibility as a liberating force in a woman’s life, but I am not the woman to make it, not this week at least, when I’ve been dissed or else flatly ignored by all the men I’ve said hello to.

OK, so she throws the whole "cat calling from poor dirty racially different people upset me" crowd of 25-35 feminist idiots under the bus, he pains are more important.

She then equates being "ignored" with being "dissed". She couldn't write out "disrespected" because it was too corrupt a thing to say?

Who is she saying hello to? Random people on the street? Where is the "Late thirties guy in a suit walking in Manhattan for ten hours" video - I'd like to see all these rape-hellos.

How dare you, how DARE YOU use your privilege to think you can say hello to people on the street.

It’s making me a bit rebellious, I admit. It’s making me want to look 50

You misspelled "it made me want to give up". You've said all this, but you've utterly, UTTERLY been cowardly in writing out what you want. You've not said "I want people to want me", you've said "Men, ugh, they ignore you and treat you subhuman". Try being honest for a change. Write from you.

I get these impulses and then I buy another stupid snake-oil anti-ageing cream.

Wait, you mean the patriarchy forces you to buy the cream, right? Don't make me excommunicate you from feminism. Toe the feminist line.

It’s true that men don’t see me any more.

What.... incredible. Incredible... unspeakable levels of insanity. She wants men to have brain surgery? To be drugged or brainwashed or... I cannot think of the levels of anti-humanism, bile, vitriol and blunt minded despotism and absolutism must go into such a simple statement.

“Maybe they think they can have both,” Jack said.
“You’re not like that, though, are you? Given a choice, you’d pick the older, more interesting woman, the passionate, well-read, intrepid, low-maintenance woman.”
“Nice of you to think so,” Jack said. “But I’d go for the firm arse and tits, always, without question.”
I expressed mild disgust.

Run Jack! Ruuuun! It's a trap.

I've had women who are 30+ pull that same line. There's the "I don't sleep with men who aren't my boyfriend" gambit, which they only give you when you're very very up front open and ask them to verbalize that they want to have sex with you. It annoys them, but basically that's their way of "saying no", the truth is, they don't want to say "no", they just want to hold off on saying "yes" until you make commitments. So get them to say it, yes or no. If you don't say yes, I'll assume a no, goodbye, be on your merry way.

The disgust issue. Shaming and vilifying humanity. It's amazing. How dare you be sexual reproductive mammal, attracted to men / women. How dehumanizing is that idea.

“You just have to face facts,” he said. “Men are extremely visual creatures; we respond visually and we can’t help it. Well, we could probably help it, but we don’t want to. Online dating is giving these idiots the impression that they can snag a honey. Most of them have no chance, of course. Don’t you look at the 25-year-old men in the street?”

Well, John is a figment of her imagination.

Well, we could probably help it, but we don’t want to.

Fuck. You.

these idiots

All men are idiots.

snag a honey

All woman are honeys.

Most of them have no chance, of course.

... and men can't have them because women are too good for them (or perhaps because women are the fucking same, on the whole, but a viciously fascist minority are hideously vocal)

Source: Choking back vomit when a group of 45 year old women (the smell... the mix of cheap perfumes... oh god) were laughing telling me how they like "one direction" and then all trying to give me "that look". I feel ill. The alpaca can wait. Fat lard.

‘I don’t. Honestly. They have mothers of my age, so it’d be like randily pursuing the children of your friends. There’s something inherently unsexy about that whole set-up.”
“Sexy as hell.” “It’s the 55-year-old, slightly rumpled silver foxes that I stare at, the tall well-travelled well-used ones. But they don’t see me.”

The juxtaposition of the dual-meaning word "children", meaning adults who happen to have parents is corrupt. You can refer to you own adult offspring as "your children", but to refer to other ADULTS as children of their parents, in common usage, not some special genealogical usage, and juxtaposing it with "sexy" is trying to vilify women finding 20 year old women attractive.

So all 40 year old women are children? That's a perfectly ok thing so say right?

I mean, you're all descendants, so you're all children of someone. Unless the author agrees those statements are ok to make in normal usage then her usage of calling an adult as "the child of someone" is wrong and intentional.

“Perhaps you should wear brighter colours.”
I looked down at myself. “I like navy blue. What’s wrong with navy blue?”

Oh snap, he's not-slut shaming her. She's not asking for it, based on what she's not.. not not... wearing.

Victim blaming alert!

“These are just facts. Men like youth. They like long hair. They like colour. They like slender, as well. Sorry. You’re going to have to lose weight and grow your hair and wear red if you want the silver foxes to see you.”

The question is, should I be prepared to change?

Should I be prepared to swim another few hours this week and have a pizza and mountain dew night tonight? Fuck me, it's almost as if we have fucking freedom of choice in life.

[–]evoblade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"To hell with what men want"

Well lady if you don't care what men want, then don't be suprised when they don't want you.

[–]silwhg 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm amazed how they can take absolutely zero responsibility. I mean you would expect that a reasonable person would be able to think about what might be the problem here, but no, they just blindly blame it on men.

I wonder how many of these women would be willing to just be friends with these men their age, while they go for the younger women, just like they wanted them to be their friends while they were in their 20s and they "didn't see these nice guys in that way". But of course that wont happen, no, they are disgusted with their behaviour, how could they.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm younger and hotter than she is. But I am prepared to look past her looks. I'm not shallow. She can take me out, drive me round, buy me dinner and when it comes time to do the deed, she'll find I am "not ready yet" and "it's too soon". She'll be doing all the work to try and make things happen - if not I'll just wait for someone else to take over.

If she manages to talk me into her house I'll flash a harder dick at her than she's seen in years, but throw some last minute resistance at her and cry on her shoulder about some hot chick who I just can't quite sexually connect with. And expect her to listen to a few hours of that, before running off with said hot chick "just to get it out of my system".

I'm sure she'll be happy to put up with this for a few months - she herself states she wants gender equality.

[–]Venkas 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Is this what my exes have to look forward to? Damn, I dunno if I would wish this fate on anyone.

"Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved!"

Yes JCole. Your right.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 18 points19 points  (1 child)

This fate is what the bottom 80% of guys started with (but can only improve if they work on it).

I'd much rather start at the bottom and work my way up than vice versa. I don't envy these entitled princesses. The way some of them (my ex) handles rejection, can you imagine the later on when their magical T&A starts to sag?

[–]Venkas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You have a point, we have to fight to gain our dominance while they start off at the "top" because gender and current society. We appreciate the work, effort and time to get to the top. There goes my sympathy lol.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

this chick is confused why an older man looks better than older woman? because our body is suppose to look worn out; when our body looks a mess it subconsciously shows the tough alpha background of doing labour work, getting in physical fights, working out etc.. but woman should not be in that same circumstance. Point blank if woman don't care for their body when its not required to damage it what makes her think she'll have value?

[–]someguysomewhere321 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are still tons of red pill'ish guys in their late 40s / early 50s that got plenty of cash, are in shape and could get a girl half their age, yet they choose a woman their own age who is a cunt and has a teeth or two missing. Social shaming of larger age differences works well enough for western women already. Guys like that in south east asia would never go for girls older than mid twenties.

[–]ostroman1989 3 points4 points  (0 children)

her ego apparently still depends on being the high school girl in the clique and have guys hit on her and get burned

thats aging for you, next you will be institutionalized too cause your generation did fuck nothing to address this issue save for screwing their kids with their pensions.

its not natural for women even 25+ to be out there looking.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"These are just facts. Men like youth. They like long hair. They like colour. They like slender, as well. Sorry. You’re going to have to lose weight and grow your hair and wear red if you want the silver foxes to see you. The question is, should I be prepared to change?"

And that last line of the article gentlemen, is the greatest difference between the sexes. A man sees a change in his environment and will either alter the environment to suit his purposes, or if he cannot, will alter himself.

Very few women will do so.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Guys, number 1 mistake: Don't take a woman's word for truth (or honesty). You all seem to forget that even a columnist doesn't write what she believes in, but she writes what generates a lot of attention... And she did succeed in this, she DID in fact get a lot of attention, including all your Schadenfreude.

Next week she'll write about all her annoying orbiters who just won't leave her alone, how she gets hit on all the time and probably the same women commenting now will then all be like: "ugh yeah men are so clingy" etc. etc.

[–]torodinson 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The orbiters are gone she is 50.

[–]RiPing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This made me realize that most people are religious and don't even believe in evolution, no wonder the pill is so hard to swallow for many, and that people are so ignorant about the sexual market.

[–]carnage_panda 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Dude it's pretty much been scientifically proven that everyone prefers a younger woman. It seems that 20 is the magic age. Of course it's a terrible age, because younger women are completely psychotic, living off the brainwashed Disney BS, but you really can't argue with facts.

You can't even count on marriage. I have a friend that explicitly bangs married women, cuz they so loyal, and then dumps them if they try to get too psychotic.

[–]trumpi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She has discovered the female equivalent of "you're such a nice guy, but I really don't want to ruin the friendship."

So to claim a gender imbalance is just plain biased.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well what are we supposed to do? Change our preferences just because you say so? God women can be deluded sometimes.

[–]Transmigratory 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The hamstering, omfg. The mangina comments are pretty hilarious to read.

Willing to bet that women over 25 who don't complain have worked hard to keep their figure and looks. Whereas the ones that do... well it is easier to moan about what you no longer have.

[–]JovianTrainWreck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Out of all the examples, Vicky's hamster seems to be running the slowest. It's there, but it ain't warp speed like the others.

Sophia is my favorite by far though. "I don't need no man! But when I do, I'm gonna hire me a hot young good lookin' stud 'cause I don't... need no... man... so there!~"

Somebody tell this old lady who wrote the article to just stick to PlentyOfFish. That site is almost exclusively 50 year olds, she'll bag somebody there.

[–]Acx3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Maybe the middle aged men who judge women on their looks and discount them purely for looking their age aren't worth worrying about anyway" --- What an insightful and empowering statement Emily. Please get back to us when you apply this in the real world.

[–]georgespelvin1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She says she is looking at the 55 year old silver foxes.

I guess my question to her would be, "How many men in their early to mid 60s have you turned down for being too old?"

That's something I never hear brought up in any of these types of articles.

[–]VarsitySlutTeamCpt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

George Clooney married somone almost half his age. Maybe you should research what men really want instread of opposing your views on them. I'm not going to say that Kate Upton should marry me because I'm her age and I have a job.

[–]kevkos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting. Good looking women have the world in the palm of their hand when they are 18-34-ish. 16 years of having a massive amount of power.

At 27, a woman can treat 99% of men like shit and still have all the sex she wants and land a rich good looking guy.

At 27, men have a much tougher time dating girls their age, often get ignored and end up marrying because they don't think they have options.

The tables then start turning in mid-late 30's.

At 40, men can easily date women in their 20's. By 40, women have much less power and at this point may want to look at men in their mid-50's.

Women peak early, men have a slow burning fuse.

This is just how life is. Why does it seem like it's ok and even encouraged for older women to complain about not getting attention from men, but when a younger guy complains about girls shitting on him in the dating world they "just need to be more confident"?

[–]Hank711 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm too young to date post-30 women, but I imagine I would like the qualities she mentioned -- well-read, interesting, passionate, low maintenance -- when I'm 50 (in like a 35 year old who still looks decent). I'd be willing to bet she's actually snobby, boring, and a money pit . . . and less attractive.

Shit, since this is going to get buried and no one's going to read this, I might as well point out that can see this is already happening into my mid-20's. When I was 18 going to Applebee's was a solid dinner date. When I was 21, grabbing a drink at a $5 a beer dive bar was cool. Now, I don't even want to do those things and the girls I see would probably be put off. I'm positive this woman isn't better about it than a 25 year old who isn't particularly looking for a husband.

[–]jacks1000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"The most heartfelt articles by female journalists are about how, come the revolution, cultural norms will be overturned in such a way that the journalist herself will be considered hotter."

Steve Sailer's Law of Female Journalism

[–]redarkane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This makes me smile. My bitch of an ex is going to age like horse shit.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny how the last 2 hit some truths on the head. The last ones friend moreso. 2nd to last one pretty much gets it, just doesn't want to accept it.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is this the female version of "the nice guyTM"? (In other words a guy who fails to understand what women are attracted to.)

[–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Common theme amongst the hamsterization: narcissism. It's all about them. I don't need men like that, I want this from a partner, etc.

Which is all fine and good, but not a single fucking sentence is devoted to the idea that a man is allowed to have any agency themselves in their choice in mates.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want a partner with whom I can talk to, discuss ideas, enjoy all the benefits of having an experienced sexual/love life. The 'man is a visual being' stuff for me is bullshit. We love the 'looks' too, of course, who doesn't? But we women are deeper human beings. Maybe it's the way men are raised?"

Gee, forget looks for a moment, don't you think the issue is somewhere else?

[–]dicklord_airplane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I truly feel sorry for my female peers (mid-late 20's) who don't seem to understand WHY men are so attracted to them. it's not necessarily their fault because they've been mislead by the same 'blue pill' culture that fucks up so many boys. i mean, it's taboo to even state the fact that women generally get uglier to men when they age past 30, so a lot of women don't even understand the fact until it's too late.

it's ironic that the author notes that she really wants a tall guy with nice hair, but doesn't seem to notice that that's just as shallow and instinctual as men wanting young women.

BTW, the amount of schadenfreude in this thread is disgusting. taking pleasure in other people's suffering is no way to live. that's just egotistical masturbation. be better than that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jacks line made me laugh. He sounds like an A-1 dude.

[–]Christian_Kong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"It's a shame I don't fancy you," he said, "because otherwise you tick all the boxes." Another said I sounded nice, but added: "Though unfortunately I have stringent physical criteria."

Hillarious but massive dick move. If you arent interested why waste the time?

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