Red Pill TheoryGirl behavior has become the standard by which we judge all kids (self.TheRedPill)

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This reminded me of RP; I thought it would resonate with some of you. I was reading an article about Zero Tolerance policies in American schools. I came across the following lines. Bold emphasis is mine.

He adds, “In a sense, girl behavior has become the standard by which we judge all kids.”

He cites numerous studies showing that typical boy behavior – wrestling, rough games of tag, good guy/bad guy imaginative play that involves “shooting” -- are condemned by preschool and elementary school teachers, the vast majority of whom are women, without the behavior being redirected appropriately to release boys’ “natural aggression.” Boys who play in the way noted above are not on a path to mass murder, contrary to what zero tolerance school policies suggest. For the vast majority of them, they are simply on the path to manhood. I wonder how many of us who recognize that truth still stifle our boys’ rough play or cowboy shoot outs out of fear of the new rules – reinforcing the capriciousness of regulations in young minds who will one day asked to make them.

Without changes to rigid policies and attitudes about what constitutes good behavior, we will be on a path as a society to generating mass confusion and depression in boys whose natural tendencies are being relabeled as criminal traits or medical problems that need to be treated.

Link: http://spectator.org/articles/56603/boyhood-not-mental-illness

[–][deleted] 163 points164 points  (13 children)

Why is it so difficult to accept that men and women are fucking different.

[–]__var 52 points53 points  (4 children)

It is sad how many people in academia refuse to admit that men and women's brains are different despite research suggesting otherwise.

Hjernevask is an interesting Norwegian documentary series regarding the nature versus nurture debate.

Hjernevask (Brainwash) 1/7 - The Gender Equality Paradox – (Eng. sub - HQ)

The end of the first episode is great because the guy confronts the two Norwegian academics that were insisting there is no difference between men and women's brains.

[–]BlaiseDB 16 points17 points  (1 child)

And they basically admitted that they are ideologues who believe that as a matter of faith, go forth with their research on that basis, and dismiss any counter evidence as bad science. The opposite crowd in the UK and US think there is some sort of split between nature and nurture and that neither should be ignored, a much more reasonable position in my mind.

[–]trpalternate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best were the scientists who actually study this shit laughing and dismissing the Gender Studies people out of hand.

[–]5iveApples 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember seeing that here before, it's actually on the side bar under "Gender Studies is Nonsense". Really good discussion in that thread for people who watched the documentary (which is fantastic).

[–]StillRedder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The entire series is somewhere in the sidebar. Great documentary and highly recommended.

It is sad how many people in academia refuse to admit that men and women's brains are different despite research suggesting otherwise.

People in those fields that research those types of things do, in fact, admit to men's and women's brains being different. The dissonance occurs when feminists and main stream media, who have the loudest voices, disseminate the propaganda that men and women are the same on every level; that we all have the same desires, needs, level of emotional and social awareness, mean intelligence, etc.

Those who take TRP accept those things and try to use the truth to their advantage.

[–]alritealritealrite 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Both genders have completely different but equally important roles. Women don't see how important their role is. Men are supposed to provide and lead and that bothers the materialistic woman. So women feel "less" and don't like to be told that they're different than men.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Because social engineering and identity politics.

Notice that the very simple distinction between equality and sameness is almost completely missing from modern gender-related discourse....including The Red Pill.

Just because men and women are equal does not mean they are the same. Kind of takes the wind out of everybody's sails and we can't have that. How is the power elite supposed to keep the country divided along gender lines and identity politics if people start making that distinction?

[–]gprime312 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because that's sexist you fucking rapist /s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because masculine qualities are idealized over feminine ones, which betrays society's true feeling that men are inherently better than women. If men and women are the same, however, females are on equal footing.

[–]sevans105 45 points46 points  (4 children)

My son was one of those that teachers labeled ADHD and requested to be medicated. He was fine, (per several doctors), just a busy boy. But, the stigma remained. Even he felt that he should be medicated due to the constant mentioning by teachers.

So, I took an old pill bottle, removed the label and filled it with vitamin C pills. Every day before school, he took his pill. It WAS AWESOME. Teacher commented about how much better behaved he was, he felt better.....BUT NOTHING ACTUALLY CHANGED, because nothing was wrong.

He is a boy. And becoming a great man.

[–]DayDrinkerYa 5 points5 points [recovered]

Haha the ol' placebo effect. When do you plan on telling him?

[–]sevans105 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I did the next school year....and explained the placebo affect for him, and it's effect on his teachers. He's a good kid. Part of my job as dad, is to make sure he is as mentally put together as possible...a main reason I hang out here. I love my boys and they deserve all the insight and help I can give them.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And thus a Scientologist is born!


[–]Labore_Et_Constantia 28 points28 points [recovered]

Feminization of everything, this is what happens when both men and women lack a strong positive male role model:



[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank god I had action movies and cartoons as role models. Plus a little bit of common sense. Lol

[–]elsurrealslimshady 102 points103 points  (172 children)

How do you handle this sort of thing as a parent?

22 right now so no kids any time soon but I'd like to have the tools to deal.

[–]2renzy77 46 points47 points  (6 children)

If you can afford to, send your son to an all-boys school. Preferably one where the teaching staff is majority-male, instead of majority-female like your typical public school.

Male teachers are going to be more able to relate to "typical boy behavior" like "wrestling, rough games of tag, good guy/bad guy imaginative play that involves “shooting” since they were once boys themselves and likely engaged in the same sort of imaginative play.

All-boys schools are also more likely to see typical boy behaviors in a positive light, and accept that there are differences between boys and girls that are innate and not just some "social construct" that needs to be solved by treating boys like they're defective girls.

Most of the all-boys schools I've seen also have more recess time than public schools. The extra recesses serve as an outlet for the higher-energy levels you generally see with boys.

I think as boys continue to fall behind academically, all-boys schools will gain popularity as parents look for alternatives to the public school system. Unfortunately, the limiting factor for most parents of boys is going to be the cost of tuition.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Not sure about you mate, but when i was that age all i could ever think about in school was girls and the majority of schooling was spent daydreaming...

Woulda been nice not to have that distraction. You got a good idea.

[–]cuntbh 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Funnily enough, I was thinking the opposite- I went to an all boys school, and as a result, by the age of 15, I was hopeless with girls. Contrast to people who went to mixed schools locally who had large groups of female friends.

Equally, playing Rugby, fighting in the playground etc meant I had a vent for my aggression, which probably helped my academics no end.

[–]jmottram08 20 points21 points  (2 children)

And who cares if a 15 year old kid is shitty around girls?

Seriously, I would much rather my son be educated mentally and physically at 15 than good pandering to teenage girls, especially in todays society.

I am not suggesting sending your son to an all male college, but I could care less if he was hopeless with girls at 15.

Getting laid is easy. Repairing a broken educational and social foundation that public education instills in children is not.

[–]cuntbh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And who cares if a 15 year old kid is shitty around girls?

Other 15 year olds. But that doesn't matter, because they're not gonna be around 15 year olds forever.

all male college

Such things exist?

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon 50 points51 points  (36 children)

I have a three year old who starts preschool in May. One of the things I've already told my girlfriend is that I know they're gunna say he has ADD or ADHD. He loves to play drums with his hands, wrestle, and play shooting games. He's boy all the way.

When the teacher says he has ADD or ADHD Im going to tell her Im not putting him on any fucking medication. He's fine, just a boy. If she doesn't like it we can take our money elsewhere. If he hits another kids, which I forbid, put him in time out, otherwise, leave him be.

Other than that, I really am not sure what can be done.

[–]Strongbhoy 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Honestly, I'd put my kids into boxing, get them into and around the gym as fast as possible. Boxing, or other martial arts as people have talked about here teach a lot of things and provide an outlet to "be a man" in society, or in this case "be a boy". It teaches not only defense, but strength, honor, integrity, discipline, you are surrounded by male role models it's a fantastic experience.

Also as a former teacher the ADD/ADHD shit is blown way out of proportion. You should see charts comparing "America" to the rest of the world. It's ridiculous. Schools get more funding if your child is "special needs", which that falls under, and people plainly don't want to parent due to laziness or whatever. Granted, there are kids who DO have issues, I've seen them, but 99% of them don't, and instead you fuck them up or give them a crutch or convince them of something that can hamper them for life.

I'm reminded of the quote from Twins Great Harmon Killebrew's Dad who he talked about in his HoF speech. His mom remarked about how their grass was getting torn up, and his dad looked at her and said "we aren't raising grass, we are raising boys".

End of.

[–]Mattpilf 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think it's higher than 99%. The kids with Add respond differently to the drugs. They get slowed down, and very calm, while those who don't have it get tweaked. It's why it's so easy for kids to give it to others, as those with ADD don't like it cause they are basically downers, while those without ADD have it act as uppers. Lots of kids get "diagnosed" with Add, try the drugs and end up feeling tweaked out on them like normal people do, and stop taking them.

[–]frappa9990 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Indeed boxing is a great thing to get into, especially to make a habit of going to the gym, how ever i thing a team sport os essencial in the equation. For me its rugby but it can be anything!

[–]throwaway131072 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I was "diagnosed" with ADD. Ritalin, adderall, concerta, you name it, for all of grade school. The concerta killed my appetite, caused me to be malnourished, and now my height is stunted. Thanks for being a good one.

[–]Iramohs 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Concerta killed me socially. I was extremely quiet and reserved. Rarely spoke to anyone outside of my immediate group of ~7 friends. Shit lasted until high school when I stopped taking it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Dem feels, was also on concerta, eventually had a panic breakdown. This was only two years ago.

This particular panic breakdown made me despise the medical system as a whole and for a while made me extremely paranoid towards everything.

But it also made me change for the better. In a way it was a good experience.

I finally saw that people cannot help you when you are down on the floor asking for help. They will most likely leave you there or pump you full with medication so you "function" like a zombie, an empty shell. Knowing that they feed kids this crap disgusts me.

It showed me that only I can change myself, no one else. And that asking for help is not appreciated in any way in this society. Yes it's a tough pill to swallow and most people will probably say: "you are bitter/you are paranoid".

I feel great at the moment, the moment I took my own life in my hands and stopped listening to the noise.

A friend of mine is also on ritalin and I can see how it affects him. Socially he is extremely bad. People are very quickly annoyed by him. When his ritalin wears out or he doesn't take it, he's a wonderful person to be around. But when he's on, he's very quiet and overall quickly agitated. A shame.

[–]T_H_E_T_R_U_T_H 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don't think ADHD is real, honestly. Kids are full of energy because they're kids. They don't pay attention in school because they're kids. But these docto,rs get perks and shit from PharmCorps to get kids hooked on fucking tranquilizers, completely neutering their childhoods.

Proper child rearing alone can help children do well in school and have all the fun they're meant to have, as well as teach them discipline and respect. Prescriptions drugs and public school can fuck right off.

[–]morguejuice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Keep your kid off speed -- not only will you change their brain chemistry for life you stunt their physical growth as well.

[–]denmaur 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can also ask the teacher what her qualifications are to diagnose medical issues.(none) Drugged up boys makes their lives easier but it doesn't help the boys.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do tour best to get him a male teacher. The younger years are more important.

[–]fromthebottom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's so much research and academic info on ADHD I can't believe people are blending it in with social issues (boys be boys). It's a disorder with quite a bit of documentation. Teachers and parents need more education clearly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be asking if the teacher was a doctor or qualified psychiatrist and when I find out they are not i would then sue them for malpractice or operating without a license, surely someone giving unqualified medical advice is illegal, especially if you can prove in past cases it was the teachers word alone that another child on ADD medication.

[–]bubbleki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think they can get CPS on your ass if you refuse medication.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Martial arts. It isnt frowned upon in a dojo!

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Private school is the well known secret.

Rigid standards. Competitive education as it should be. Moral upkeep. Teach your kids to work and strive for success and ultimately the fear of failure.

[–]cooledcannon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well, the key to success is to not fear failure.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You must've missed my point because that was it

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[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Learning how to conquer it is good.

There's no fear in public schools. Thanks to no child left behind everyone passes.

[–]jmottram08 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no fear in public schools.

Well, to be fair, there is fear in some public schools, it just isn't useful for anything other than learning "The public is made of shitty people".

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 109 points110 points  (98 children)

Teach your kids to be aggressive in extra-curricular activities. Things like sports, martial-arts training and gaming have never been more important. And make no mistake -- feminists are waging war against those things as well -- but since they are private operations, they are currently beyond the reach of their little claws.

[–]1grendalor 55 points56 points  (6 children)

Yeah I allow a little gaming here and there, but basically the main focus is on team sports -- football and baseball. And my son spends all summer in wilderness canoe camps where you need to have your balls on hand, or learn quickly where they are.

Basically, you need to actively counteract the feminist shit that the schools shovel -- because they ALL do.

[–]laere 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Ive played guitar for over 10 years and hands down its one of thd best things to put all your emotion and aggressiveness into.

[–]Evolved_Red 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Guitar player for over 30 years here. Yes it is a great outlet, but emotional and physical releases are vastly different; they're night and day.

[–]John_E_Canuck 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Drumming on the other hand...

[–]redditcdnfanguy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's both an art and a martial art simultaneously...

[–]1grendalor 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yes that's not bad, if you don't want to do athletics. I did it when I was younger, played in a band and all that from 15-23, and it was fun and also good for displaying mastery and so on and getting chicks.

[–]TomSachs 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I was so damn lucky to have parents like this. I used to get into fist fights when playing soccer and all normal boy shit. My parents realized it wasn't serious and let me be a boy. I remember other kids who would have been crucified if they did normal boy things.

[–]serideth 7 points8 points  (1 child)

As a soccer referee I wouldn't say that fist fights during soccer is normal, personally that would have been a straight red and a word with the coach after the game.

However if it was a game of rugby or hockey then I would understand as that's part of the culture of the game, where as punching someone on a soccer pitch means you don't respect the other team or his skills.

But yeah wrestling on a log to push the other guy off and cop and robbers are fine and all in good fun.

[–]TomSachs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. I got red cards and would be sent off. My parents would make me apologize to the kid I punched and to my teammates for selfishly putting our team in jeopardy of losing. I learned my lesson. I learned that it wasn't bad that I had these strong "boy" feelings that include being competitive and rough. They told me it was good I wanted to win but the way I handled it was immature and stupid. They understood that it was a stupid mistake and wasn't a sign that I was a terrible kid or anything like that. I feel like a lot of mothers/fathers I currently know would deal with this terribly and wouldn't understand that boys get into fights and do stupid things.

[–]redditcdnfanguy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

And make no mistake -- feminists are waging war against those things as well

I'm kind of pleased with that, since cultural Marxism is going up against a force of the universe and must inevitably be defeated.

Trouble is, it's going to cause a LOT of trouble first. In fact, I can't think of any individual who had caused more grief than Marx.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (81 children)

I'd take gaming out of that equation. It makes people fat and stupid, not strong and aggressive.

[–]RojoEscarlata 19 points20 points  (17 children)

Gaming used as anything but a mindless distraction is stupid.

Games give you a false sense of accomplishment, without getting any real life value, its a more interactive way of using a TV.

In all the hours you dump on gaming you could have instead read a book do a physical activity, learn to dance, pretty much anything.

So please if you have children don't buy them games, instead teach them to read, get them on a sport team, take your children to fish, lift, climb, swing with you. Just don't let them get hooked on gaming.

And this comes from an avid ex gamer, I dread realizing how much time I spended gaming back in the day.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

It is interesting that people are agreeing with you and disagreeing with me even though we are saying the same thing.

[–]RojoEscarlata 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Herd mentality, they see you being down voted and make a pre conception of your post with out giving it much though.

Edit: also you called fat and stupid what I think is a big part of this community.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Some people just don't want to give up their games. Giving up gaming was a part of my self improvement. With my extra time I lost 60 pounds and got in shape. Not everyone has time to game and be fit. Maybe high schoolers do.

[–]RojoEscarlata 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha, yeah the guy I'm also commenting with got defensive real quick about something that even wasn't my point. Lol

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (23 children)

I disagree. I started PC gaming when i was less than 12 yrs old starting with mechwarrior 2, leisure suit larry, then finally into quake with quakespy.... 1000s and 1000s of hours of computing since then (still an avid gamer) and I'm making bank as a software engineer since the games inspired me to write code for the first time.

[–]MelodyMyst 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I don't disagree with your results. Glad it worked out for you. Unfortunately there is a large percentage of young men who game that didn't learn what you learned and are now emotionally stunted, physically weak, and socially inept because of the 1000's and 1000's of hours they have spent sitting in front of a video screen.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly I agree with you. After all these hours of me sitting around I have felt myself weak when it comes to many social aspects... reason why I'm here is because I've been a beta all my life and now at 26 years old I feel I understand so much more but still have alot to learn... Baby steps first however...

[–]pick-a-spot 37 points38 points  (18 children)

I play games too.. But you're getting your exploration / 'finding out how things work' fix from some virtual construct and not real life.

It's kind of like Fapping.

It's good you channeled yours into something useful.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Yeah man, and I'm certainly starting to realize the hollowness of abstraction creations... So whenever I start to feel like that I put together a model (or try to lol). Or maybe fix something on my car or something... but those things don't put food on the table like C# does :)

[–]1grendalor 7 points8 points  (8 children)

I agree. Better to be doing real stuff outdoors than gaming indoors in virtual realities.

[–]TI69 13 points13 points [recovered]

Appeal to nature fallacy.

Doing physical activity/exercise outdoors is probably a lot more beneficial than playing videogames, but there are a lot of things one can do outdoors and not in "virtual reality" that are completely useless. Just cause something is 'artifical' or 'unnatural' (what you are describing computer games as, basically) doesn't mean it's bad, and because something is not 'virtual' doesn't mean it's good.

[–]1grendalor -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

Do what you want to do, but spending any significant degree of time in virtual reality (videogames) is a waste of time from the red pill perspective. The point isn't that they are "unnatural", but that they are useless. You can find useful things to do indoors, including developing your body (the gym is indoors, for example). Video games were the main focus of the comment, and they are a useless time sink for men who should be developing themselves.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I would argue that videogames are not entirely useless. Some are, and the way a lot of people play them they are, but they can also be powerful mediums for stories. They can teach strategy and planning methods, (civilization games) organization, ( RTS or MMOs) time management, resource management, observation skills, reflexes, spacial thinking (tetris), etc. Many games have several of these elements. You can even learn from games - I had no idea what fletching was until Runescape. They can be a great way to socialize if you play multiplayer games like Fifa or NHL with friends or whoever is around.

[–]1grendalor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

All of which can be done without sitting down for hours on end honing fine motor muscle skills with a keyboard or mouse that are generally useless for most people (leaving surgeons and mechanics aside).

Listen, game if you want. You can learn some things through it. But in a world where the most dominating number is 24, there are a lot of other more useful, more self-developing things you could be doing with the limited amount of that 24 that you have on hand than playing video games.

[–]letsgofightdragons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that video games could be beneficial, but they're usually convenient and flashy, yet inferior counterparts of IRL experiences. Video games are fun, but /r/outside is better.

All in my subjective opinion, of course.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Helps to convert what could be a troubled activity into one of less overall harm as well, like a pressure release

[–]Kozma37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That all depends on the situation.

[–]malepornstarama 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's a nice anecdote, but there are a lot more lazy fat gamers than successful ones.

[–]rorrr 11 points12 points  (18 children)

[–]SneakyTouchy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm addicted to gaming. Its my number one hobby and I waste tons of time with it.

Secondarily, I'm also a springboard diver and have a body to show for it.

I can't agree with you that it makes people fat. The college video game club is full of skinnies. One of them is a dedicated body builder. It's also a very mentally active hobby, which has it's own benefits.

Consuming more calories than they expend is what makes people fat.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 1 point2 points  (13 children)

While i disagree with this all around, i'm specifically curious as to why you think gaming makes people more stupid than, say, football? You aren't going to get a concussion playing Modern Warfare, yet you still get the competitive and social aspects; which is the whole point.

[–]Josh_The_Boss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obio1 said that they should be aggressive. And doing anything without moderation is a bad idea.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Oh yeah, they got their claws into football. I wouldn't let MY kids play. That's great, you fucking pussies, teach your kid how to juke and he won't get hit super hard. They're ARE going after things like football, no doubt.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Giving your kids lifelong head injuries (potentially) isn't the best idea either.

I'd rather train my kids in martial arts than football, personally.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But Mr. Krabz she attacked me......in my own dojo

You taking some new allergy medication I should know about?

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Kids should spend the minimum amount of time possible in state education. Time is much better spent in private sports clubs, and being taught important matters (like economics, politics and history) by parents since state education always has an interest in indoctrination.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you. However, homeschooling does not exist in 3rd world countries. If I ever have a boy, I would like to teach him boxing and weightlifting and gıve him an all rounded education like my father did, except he will not have to deal with AA. I intend to raise an Alpha.

[–]cuntbh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anything physical. In secondary school (UK, ages 11-16), I played rugby, got in fights, etc. In my free time, at 14, I took up sprint and marathon kayaking. Having the vents for my energy helped me concentrate in class, so despite the fact I was training 7-10 times a week, I was able to concentrate better in class, and had high testosterone and energy levels.

In primary school (UK, ages 4-10), I did Judo, which helped, as well as being allowed to play physically- if your children are at schools where they aren't allowed to play physically, encourage them to do martial arts or sport- full contact sports are especially good, because they get a real test of manhood and somewhere to take out any aggression.

[–]ven5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Play sports with your kid when he's younger, that helps tremendously. My father and I used to go out after his work and we'd play soccer, tennis, sometimes box for fun. It's not even about aggressive behavior. Teaching your kid to fix things, and showing him hobbies that develop self improvement ethics will also make him into a man when he grows up.

Unfortunately in modern society, it's a lot harder to go out with your kids most days, my father used to get off work before 3. Most fathers nowadays have to work like slaves until sundown if they want to provide enough for their families, and so we leave the rest to the schools' extra curriculars and high loads of homework.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Home schooling, don't depend on our broken educational system at any stage of your child's life.

[–]1Dev_on -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Lot of ego aiming you're smarter than everyone else

[–]cooledcannon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We dont have to be smarter than everyone else. We just have to be smarter than the horrible state of affairs schools are in atm. Whoever cant reach that low bar has got bigger problems.

[–]WhenIntegralsAttack 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Is it not our right to educate our children as we see fit? It's a right to believe that we are smarter than the collective and take action based upon that assumption. The individual should not be forced to comply with society.

Also, it doesn't take that much ego to believe you're smarter than school teachers. Many teachers are those who couldn't make it in other fields. No one dropped out of teaching to become a research mathematician. Plenty of math students drop out to become teachers.

[–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hey, I can downvote when I disagree... doesn't really do anything but hide my responses however

of course it's your right. I've just yet to see a person who was home schooled as a child who has the social skills, wide range of knowledge as someone even from a 'flawed' public school.

Then again, where I'm from, most home schoolers are usually of the same stock as anti-vaccers and those types, so I'm sure YMMV.

My comment on the Ego is not that you're smarter than your math teacher (who just has to be smart enough to teach high school level math usually) but also the 15 other teachers who teach social studies, history, science, computers etc.

no one needs their childs teacher to be smart enough to be a research mathemetition. It's a waste of the talent TBH.

[–]CockBruises 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Schools suck at just about everything, but the one thing they do really well is forcing all the children within their geographical area to be together 5 days a week. Honestly, you could throw them all together in basically any environment and so long as they have decent role models (without poisonous worldviews) and they're prevented from seriously injuring or killing one another, they'll be basically fine.

The problem today is that the sane teachers are retiring and hysterical feminist/cultural Marxist types are replacing them. Remember, the effects of today's happenings are delayed 20-30 years into the future. The average age of teachers is 40-something, which means that they were born in the 70s. In 10 years, they'll have been born in the 80s; in 20, the 90s. And there have been titanic cultural shifts in the last thirty or forty years.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Explain to me how I'm aiming that I'm smarter than everyone else...

I simply have no faith in our current educational system.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is it really ego to think you can't fuck it up worse than how it is now? Or is public school now just really so damn bad, you can't possibly fuck it up worse?

[–]PokeChopSandwiches 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see all good answers here, I don't have much to add. If you end up with a boy, nurturing his competitive and athletic side is crucial. Team sports at a young age, if not that then skateboarding, surfing, snowboarding. Some activity that will by nature keep him active, teach him social skills and interaction in competitive situations, and most important, how to lose.

Losing and the lessons provided are critical to the creation of a strong independent leader. We all lose at some point. Jobs, women, loved ones. Sheltering kids from hurt and the feeling of loss is fucking them up. What in the fuck is gonna happen to all these special snowflakes that have never lost anything, that are in college right now demanding trigger warnings for free speech? What happens when they enter a workforce untainted by liberal bullshit and they cannot perform to a high standard? When they cannot blame anyone else? They will not learn from their mistakes, they will not have the social skills to reassure leadership it was an isolated incident, and they will get fired.

Everyone makes mistakes, recovering from them is what's important. I fucked up a job worth 100k last year, and fucked it up so bad I was not able to go back and fix it for 6 months. The place needed to run production, so they did it half ass for 6 full months until I could go back and finish it properly. Total value of product related to this fuckup? Who knows. Couple million?

But it was an isolated incident, and my supervisor knew that. It was my first time wiring a certain product, and I was issued the wrong prints. I called a day before the project was supposed to be done and took responsibility. Said I fucked it up and I will not be able to meet the time goal. Met with everyone I had to, apologized, and came up with a plan to correct it. That next weekend I was in another plant doing the exact same thing, obviously I had done the research and got it right.

I will never see the good in protecting growing brains from failure. Men need to know what failure feels like, how to own it, and immediately switch gears to correct it without drama or panic. It's too late to learn this at 24. It needs to start at 4.

[–]cooledcannon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try unschooling and leading by example.

[–]Orxbane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Step one: Don't send them to public school.

[–]94redstealth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my brother has a 5 year old boy and he regularly wrestles/fights with him. As far as I know, he has never had an incident in school with being aggressive

[–]em22new 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fill in all the gaps that school missed out on, wrestle, play fight (but be rough enough to be a challenge but not hurting your son). Play streetfighter. High fives, compare muscles, demonstrate physical strength, encourage being brave and heroic.

[–]Mechbiscuit 33 points33 points [recovered]

I saw a video blog a little while ago by a guy. He was saying that it's become very politically incorrect to be angry nowadays. It doesn't matter if the anger is totally justified, it is WRONG to raise your voice or DEMAND an explanation from someone who's wronged you. You're making people feel threatened and that is WRONG. Likewise, violence is very much frowned upon.

Society deems what is acceptable in everyday life. Definitely put my stamp of approval next to that. What's good for the masses is good for me (within reason). I mean, yesterday I saw a man urinating, bottle of beer in hand, at a train station whilst hundreds of people walked on by.

My point to this is when society suppresses play fighting, horseplay, anger and angry outbursts, it suppresses human and masculine nature and it's doing it ignorantly.

Perhaps that social normality of getting angry being bad is an incorrect normality. Perhaps when people tell you not to get angry they are potentially damaging your control circuits because you have no healthy outlet for it. It's just another need - to release the pressure of anger, be it by meditating, boxing or screaming at a wall.

I hope no-one wonders why we're getting more apathetic as a generation.

And as an aside, I want to say that people who are out of control need to learn control. I'm not saying that I want someone screaming in my face when I accidentally cut them off in traffic. I'm saying it's more about managing yourself and getting to know what you're capable of which will only happen if you're allowed to fuck-about when you're a kid.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is very true. Anger is an emotion that is not accepted at all, so we shame it and make sure that is suppressed. Freud said that depression is anger turned inwards and I believe he had a strong point with that.

Anger doesn't equal hate, doesn't mean you want to hurt anyone, that you will be always angry, it's nothing like that. Anger is an emotion, like any other, and usually comes because we've been denied of something (being wronged counts here). Parents can be angry at their children for a particular thing while still loving them, no? But when it comes to adults, especially men, it's totally unacceptable.

One of the stages of grief is anger. You hear this often, but it's not so common to hear what you're supposed to be angry about. It's about being angry at the person who abandoned you, even when it was someone who died. Try to say "I'm angry at my mother for dying and abandoning me" even with close and trusting people and see how they react. It's totally normal to feel angry there and many people get stuck in the grief process because they can't really get past this.

Being angry at your parents is also something that is unacceptable. "They did the best they could/knew!". That's true, and their efforts won't go away just because you say "I am angry at them because they messed up with X". That doesn't mean you hate them, that you won't love them anymore or that you are ungrateful, just that you are angry. It's especially interesting how "we" don't allow our own children to be angry at us. Parents aren't perfect, parents shouldn't try to be perfect, they are still human, so it's understandable that their children could be angry at them. "I'm angry at you because I don't feel you accept me when I do X" would be a very mature thing a child could tell their parents. But what would be the common answer? "Shut up, I can't always be with you" or things like "Why are you complaining? Would you prefer to be an African starving kid?"

Anger always finds a way out. Passive aggressive behaviour, random explosions of anger, etc. That only makes anger even less acceptable.

[–]ihaphleas 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Anger is not wrong, but initiating (physical) violence is.

[–]le_king_falcon 27 points28 points  (0 children)

If you are male, society has gotten to the point that visible anger is treated the same as violence. See how people react if you genuinely raise your voice.

[–]Luscious_Fox 4 points4 points [recovered]

Beating the shit out of the person that initiated it is also wrong in the eyes of the court system too unfortunately.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

If you have training (military/martial arts) your fists can be considered a weapon in court. You can be charged for a greater crime than those who do not have training.

[–]Mechbiscuit 3 points3 points [recovered]

Is that true? I thought Con Air wasn't a documentary. (jk)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to recall my cousin saying that, he's really into MMA

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is true. Don't let anyone know you've got that training and if you can't hide it do NOT get into fights with civilians. Only active police get that kind of mafia protection - no charge no matter how fucked their actions were unless it's rape.

Even murder can be swept under the rug of a cop does it.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is completely wrong: unless you are already a superior fighter in every way and have every advantage you have no idea if one slip, one moment of letting up or turning your back, will end with a bullet in your skull or a knife in your ribs.

Survival trumps the law. When assaulted you should have the automatic right to use lethal force if you need. It should be up to you to decide how far is far enough, not the court.

Let them play on the extremes: if a person trips me and I shoot that person in the face that's overboard.

But if a person tries to mug me and I break their knee-caps I'm in the right, 100%. My justification: that fucker can't chase me with broken knees so now the fight's over and I'm likely safe. It's on me to decide if there's a gun or knife at play; if I think so I might search and remove. Or I might dodge around a corner and be gone, again, no chasing means no aiming once I'm around a corner.

[–]Mechbiscuit 3 points3 points [recovered]

Context is key. In the street? Absolutely. In a boxing match? Different social context & that's what I'm talking about.

There are people who see boxing or physical contact sports as barbaric and nothing more than big meaty apes trying to murder each other. They see it as unhealthy, strange and stupid.

It's actually a masculine ideal to have teams, a winner, a loser and a confrontation. If you take basically any sport like rugby, american football, hockey, you know that blood could be shed from a single bad-contact within the game. Hell, someone could even be crippled.

I remember one of my (female) lecturers saying:

I don't understand (soccer!) Why don't they just have a ball each and then they could play together!

But, that's what I'm talking about - institutionalised sedation of the masculine need to fight and prove yourself worthy to yourself and others. Football is a "mans sport" for a reason.

I'm reminded of Flight Club and the code of honour that the men have in that film. I love that it echos a true-to-life image of masculinity that reflects something of men. If I could, I think I would join a Fight Club. Maybe just once to see what a fight was like.

To address a point closer to what you were saying, not knocking someone's teeth out because you can control your anger is a great strength. That strength comes from discipline and discipline is developed from knowing what your capable of. If we our children aren't allowed to be confrontational, I mean, if it's suppressed, then it's no wonder they (we) end up with issues.

[–]cooledcannon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember one of my (female) lecturers saying:

I don't understand (soccer!) Why don't they just have a ball each and then they could play together!

Id actually prefer soccer to have two balls and each team starts with one each. More fun to watch and also incidentally prevents the team that starts the kickoff having the adv.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Initiating hostility is wrong, violence is just a step along the way. Although all of us should strive to have enough mental control to not let anybody rattle us that much.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Every few months this comes up.

My boy has wild energy. Teachers and wife wanted him on "meds"

These are not subtle drugs. I was bewildered that anyone could suggest this treatment BEFORE behavior plans, increased excersize, accommodations (more time for hw etc) and cbt.

Anyway... I told the wife i would walk if she administered a single pill. Then said I'd sue her and the doctors to make sure no pills were ever consumed. Also made it clear wife's entire social circle and family would know I dumped her ass for being a lazy mother who preferred to sedate her kid rather than deal with him the right way.

This was a few years ago. My kid is doing just fine

Read the war on boys. It's scary what's occurring to our sons

[–]Smekiz 55 points56 points  (4 children)

Marxist feminism is going to be the downfall of america. Holy shit this is stupid

[–]ModAerobus 42 points43 points  (0 children)

It already is the downfall of America.

[–]RojoEscarlata 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Cultural Marxism is going to be the fall of the west.

[–]George_l_rockwell 4 points5 points  (0 children)

going to be

Lol, cultural Marxism has been rampant at work destroying our traditional society since around the 60s.

[–]ObsceneInnocence 11 points12 points  (3 children)

How does one reverse the damage from such a situation? My whole life growing up my parents enforced such rules and standards. I started off strong but with years and years of such practices I became a shell of my former self stuck in a female mindset of violence being wrong and any TV or movies with violence, drugs, alcohol, etc being "bad".

[–]SuaveSilverSurfer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Befriend some manly men and join them in their manly pursuits.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the books, watch classic movies (50s-70s). Do some kind of private military/militia training camps. Hunt and camp. Join a MMA club.

[–]dbie22 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The misandry is in the media now too, I see an article about how men are so bad to women every single day. Today it was about John Travolta touching women without their permission (Oscars), as if women asked for permission to put their arms around you. LOL.

[–]mdadm 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I'm so glad I grew up in a third world 'shithole' that had real problems, so these sorts of things never surfaced.

[–]1beerthroway 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I'm a teacher and can definitely agree, boys are not allowed to be boys. The saying "boys will be boys" is no longer culturally acceptable.

I do try my best to implement rules in my classroom that are geared towards helping the boys succeed. Boys and girls are both allowed to do these things but boys are usually the ones that use them:

  • if you're getting tired of sitting, you can stand up in the back of the room. If you abuse this rule them you'll come stand next to me.

  • pushups are encouraged to help get out excess energy.

  • I've had classes meditate. Once they get over the laughter and weirdness of it, they ask often if they can meditate again. It does help them focus.

Additional point: if you read any pre-feminized literature, you'll notice that when children do something bad, it's usually the boy doing something and the girl standing off on the side, but when the kids get in trouble, the parents say "the boy shouldn't have done that bad thing and the girl probably made him do it!" They knew how each gender worked and held them both equally responsible. Instead of easing up on boys, I think we just need to get tougher on girls. Don't let them play that innocent role. Don't let them apologize and get out of jail for free, just cause they bat their eyelashes and cry. Don't be seduced by their looks, they are people too.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would happen to you if you tried to punish a girl that way these days?

[–]Kuramo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Do you want to know something? Thanks to people from RP and MRM I has learnt to not disapprove behavior of kids of my own sex. (boys).

Saddly, Western education system (from preschool to university) turns boys and men in people who hate other men and even themselves.

Societies in which we belong have a huge debt to their men

[–]redditcdnfanguy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

When these boys grow up there will be a reaction to this that we older guys cannot possibly imagine.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (1 child)

rage and joy for those that never followed rules and will get no resistance, and men who really don't want to be gay or seen as gay but have learned only how to act like women so actual women by instinct will have no choice but to file them under "gay" at a subconscious level.

I shall call this era of history the Fagdemonium

[–]killcat 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I see a lot of comments on how this is "accidental" or that teachers don't "understand how boys and girls are different" I think that's incorrect, this is a plan. The "third wave" feminists are altering the system to produce men they can control, as the saying goes "Give me a boy at six and I'll control the man forever."

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It already worked for the girls. The women today who can't bond/commit learned that by age 6 - honesty, loyalty are bad, victim-role & lying get you everything you want. I have no doubt some girls were directly told this. Teachers can say fucked up shit to kids thinking no one will remember it later.

[–]kirk88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They won't stop until men are eradicated

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Fathers have the duty of explaining to their sons they have to fake themselves when at schools. Schools are not good places. They are places you go as part of playing the game on the path to adulthood. It's where you go to get a piece of paper to one day get another piece of paper that says you're done with school and can go to college, military, or elsewhere to get on with your adult life.

In high school I took summer classes to fill my electives so I could take weightlifting all year long (swimming I enjoyed taking classes in). High School was somewhere I went to lift weights and chase bitches while maintaining a 4.0 GPA.

Fathers will have the duty of helping their sons realize manhood outside of the school setting. A cousin of mine has an eight year old son and I occassionaly go to the kid's little league games, school awards, and birthday parties. If my fiancee is at work on the weekend I'll stop by and pick him up and take him out as I play the Cool Uncle (he calls me his Uncle, we're close in my family and my cousin has no brothers and the dad is an absent scum bag I've threatened to castrate for beating on her).

I got in trouble with the school (literally my cousin called me and asked if I could go to a meeting at the school to explain what I told her son) because I explained to him that schools are shit holes that kill imagination and free will. That it's a whorehouse filled with whores (teachers, staff, principals, etc.) to be used and never respected.

I don't drink mind you (almost never drink and I wasn't high when I explained this to him, of course I did this after explaining mortality to him so maybe I should have known better) so I said all of this sober and over ice cream. The school principal shot me an evil look and I smiled and told them I stuck by my position.

My cousin was pissed but after we sat down with her son in the school office, I communicated to him that he had to lie to everyone around them, to their faces at least (oh the principal did not like this). That he had to fake being a wimp, a pathetic little thing,to save this strength and abilities for the real world. That he was surrounded by the worthless and the weak, the prey. And to calm down in the meantime, get good grades and learn sarcasm and how to condescend to people.

So no one was happy with me. But I still watch the kid, take him fishing, teach him archery and when he hits twelve I'll take him shooting and teach him shooting. When he hits fourteen I'll teach him weightlifting and powerlifting.

Poor little guy is the crash test dummy for my future sons.

[–]RedMorpheus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I absolutely love the way you handeld this, if i ever end up with sons i will be sure to follow your lead. Thank you for making the world a better place.

[–]xfLyFPS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad I am not living in that shit hole. Over here, the crafting lessons are divided by genders (Girls cook and knit, boys make toys, tools and furniture out of wood) and boys are encouraged to carry all the tables and chairs to get their energy out, and in PE boys regularly have wrestling competitions.

[–]rprando 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The only thing I remember about my preschool is that they had wrestling mats and let us have mini-wrestling competitions every couple days. That was in the 90s but I doubt they still allow that.

It's tough because in this day and age people will sue for just about anything. If your kid gets in a scuffle he'll probably get expelled which is a nightmare for parents that have to work or can't afford a better alternative to public school. And we all know what happens when a kid tries to fight back against a bully.

Just another reason not to have kids.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With the world the way it is, I wouldn't feel moral about bringing a son into this world, at least not in the west. I will not have my child subconsciously and even overtly shamed for having a fucking dick. When if you look at human history, it's far fucking better to have one and it means you are more likely to be a leader of nations or something of importance.

[–]1DRMMR76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a buddy from the Army who was diagnosed with "ADHD" when he was a kid. His parents were pretty much(in "polite" administrator-speak) told that unless he was put on medication that he would fail at school and end up an unemployed idiot. Thankfully his dad is a cardiologist and is a pretty fucking smart Alpha man and immediately pulled him out of public school and sent him to a private school for the rest of his K-12 education. My buddy ended up getting a 2200somthing on his SAT and is now in the process of becoming a detective in a rather large department, a few years ahead of the usual officer-to-detective timeline. One of the smartest guys I've ever met. He can flip from talking about college football scores and playing flip cup to discussing philosophy and Greek literature in a few seconds, depending on who he's talking to. He got a perfect score on his police entrance exam and has aced ever fucking test they've thrown at him, hence his premature move from the road to detective. Turns out the public school just misdiagnosed his boredom with easy stuff as a mental disorder. Thankfully his traditional parents knew this was horse shit from the get go and set him up right.

[–]m4nup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know that there is room here for a wide range of ideologies, but if you still find compulsory state schooling a great idea for boys, I don't understand what the hell kind of red pill you could have swallowed.

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember a while back a kid was suspended or expelled for using a chicken nugget as a pretend gun in I think middle school. Smdh.

Growing up, I pretended everything was a weapon and play fought with friends on a regular basis. Even slap boxing and slamming each other on the ground.

I'm 25 and have never been in jail (clean record), have great credit, have my own car, own place, in school, and work two jobs with no kids. They are prioritizing the wrong shit. I mean unless they actually are trying to pussify men...

[–]cheezuzz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Woa, dude. Society tells boys to be girls, and women to be men.

[–]p3ndulum 8 points9 points  (1 child)

"Equality" is the process of reducing everything to its lowest common denominator.

[–]asianmasaccount[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was gonna say. Pop warner and the basketball team aren't going anywhere. It's a huge stretch to think the classroom is set up that way specifically to persecute boy. Probably a combination of lack of teacher manpower to supervise rough play and a classroom setup that reflects corporate culture.

But yea, after school sports.

[–]1grendalor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not a stretch at all. Take a look at what they teach education MAs and PhDs, the people who run schools and school systems and who design the entire thing. It's man-hating feminism 150%. It's baked into the cake. It is ENTIRELY intentional to benefit girls and fuck over boys. Wake up.

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[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what about other countries?