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One guy I listen to is Donovan Sharpe. It's where I consume the most red pill knowledge. One thing he said was "the worst you treat a woman, the better they treat you." When speaking on LV women. Is it because they are low value and their subconscious reminds them of this fact when they are treated badly? Like something says "i deserve this"

I suppose it makes since, it's just weird having it happen in person. One chick went through my phone saw I was talking to another chick. I didn't make excuses, I didn't lie, I fessed up. thinking "welp she was fun and all" and i began telling her that i wont call her anymore and that i had fun. But she didn't leave. In fact she apologized to me for being upset. Weirdest thing. Idk anyone wanna give me some input on this?


[–][deleted] 225 points226 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Abundance for a women is so easy it's nothing to be proud of, but abundance for a man is something to be admired. Instant dread, now she loves you even more.

Yes it's hard to understand, I can't understand it but then again I can't imagine wanting to suck a dick either, it's just the way they're wired.

[–]mrpoopistan152 points153 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

To build on this . . .

Optimal mate seeking strategies require particular signals to pick up. One of the strongest signals is loudly transmitting "I don't need you or your shit so don't fuckin cross me".

The biggest problem I've seen with this approach is that guys who go from using the push-push-pull strategy to all-in, all-push, all-the-time actions.

There's an old Ron White joke that goes, "Even the best dog will leave your porch if don't scratch it behind the ear occasionally."

Where blue pillers get things wrong is that it's all about the "occasionally" part. Anyone who has marveled at a woman going back to a complete jerk just because he brought flowers, for example, is failing to see the red pill side of things.

Jerk with a suspected heart of gold is a fine position. Jerk with a heart of jerk will become a problem after a while. Wimp with a heart of gold is a problem on day one. Wimp with a heart of jerk is just not playing optimally.

The balance is in making sure you keep the jerk ratio high without redlining into full-on prick mode.

[–]Treatscatscrave34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't upvote this enough.

THIS, gentlemen, is amongst the wisest advice you'll ever read here.

Never, ever, ever give a woman the impression you will be faithful no matter what.

[–]Ill_mumble_that6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When Chadasshole Thundercock buys her flowers once a year, it means the world.

When Beta Cuckmeister buys her flowers every week, it means nothing.

Chadasshole Thunderschlong understands that attraction can't be negotiated, so he doesn't try to negotiate it by doing stupid shit to win her affections. He's nice only as a reward for something she has done to please him.

[–]MisterMarbles19881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good post.

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[–]JRSBOOM138 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

She won’t feel dread if you’re the hard line jerk 24-7. You have to show her some nice guy too. Give her a reason to want to stay, but still be a jerk to keep her ass in check.

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[–]mrpoopistan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Real power is often quiet and slow. It doesn't spend a lot of time fighting with others because it doesn't have to.

When it comes to power, subtlety tends to play better. Intimidation is better than violence. Contained wealth is better than spending. Being a fun jerk is better than being a complete prick.

If you're worried about losing power, you haven't gotten comfortable enough in it. Like everything on the TRP side of things, you have to get comfortable with it, and that requires time and practice. There's a reason women prefer to go a bit older.

[–]JRSBOOM132 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’d say move on but if you really want her that bad, show her the nice guy if she gives you an opportunity. Just revert back to jerk once in a while. More importantly, the relationship needs to be on your terms not hers. If that isn’t possible for her then she’s not the one you need to be wasting time with. Way too many hot vaginas out there waiting to be drilled.

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be a jerk with good intentions. This usually translates to brutal honesty for me. Don't be afraid to tell a woman what you like/don't like. For example, this chick has been hitting the gym quite a bit. And she told me "have you noticed how toned I'm getting?" And responded with "yeah you look good, you could use more squats though." She was upset with that response but she's been squatting her ass off.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And the nice thing is you don't have to show a lot.

Even the old PUA advice of push-push-pull is overdoing. It's closer to 90/10 push to pull. She just doesn't want to be drowned in nice guy BS.

[–]JRSBOOM131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you drown her in nice guy shit she’ll eventually not respect you. It’s the order of man from the dawn of time.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember that promising to be nicer counts as a nice moment so don't lay it on too thick. If she's still talking, she's still interested. After all, the currency of womanhood is attention. If the attention still flows, you're still in the game.

[–]Noitrasama0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I haven't gotten the jerk analogy or explanation

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My apologies here, but I'm not quite catching what you're getting at. Do you mean that you're not quite following the idea? Or just that you've never been accused of it?

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Lol makes since

[–]sixseven8932 points33 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Sense

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah thanks hombre

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[–]jackandjill222 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hm

[–]IcyBear7100 points101 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's not as simple as "i treat them badly therefore they will stick by me". You can go up to a model, punch her in the face, tell her she's worthless and she'll probably call the cops on you.

the prereq is that 1. you're high value enough both in general and relative to her and 2. she sees other women want you.

pre selection is a motherfucker

[–]antariusz14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even more importantly, why the hell would you be bothered by a woman enough to need to punch her in the face, especially a stranger. First you have to have a life interesting enough for models to want to be around you, and once you’ve achieved that, you will find that you don’t need to tell any particular woman that she is worthless to you, because she’ll pick up on it already naturally. If your life is cool enough to have models be worthless to you, you’re too cool to do something stupid like that, and you’re too cool to be on Reddit anyway.

Demonstrate value to women, don’t explicate value to a woman.

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[–]RPOpenUp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Pre-selection has a huge impact on women

[–]redpilllogin71 points72 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I confessed to my ex that I had been cheating on her for months with 8 different women. Her response, after all the crying and cussing was "ok. What are you going to do to fix this?"

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 42 points43 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then you body slammed her in the bedroom.

[–]Greaterbird25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like whacking her with the folding chair was going too far

[–]JRSBOOM1324 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your reply should’ve been “No sweetheart, what are YOU going to do to fix this?”

[–]newplayer284 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How can one especially a women, answer that question?

[–]JRSBOOM130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

With my cock in her mouth is how she answers it.

[–]--Kamikaze--6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is brilliant

[–]wtfdoiaskfor152 points53 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Can't believe nobody has quoted Pook yet:

These are but a few of the Harsh Truths:

Women would rather share a successful man than be attached to a faithful loser.

[–]Treatscatscrave11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Amen.

And, I might add, IF she at first believes you're NOT a loser and you turn out to be one and you've not the balls to leave cos of kids etc, being extra nice and promising fidelity will only make her hate you more.

This is the time to get dread going on and self-esteem improvement not b.s. Like 'never' cheating.

Being nasty to you if you've always been beta in her eyes would, unless she is really evil, be for her like kicking a puppy- very few people want to do that.

Being a constant alpha would be like kicking a Rottweiler- nobody does it.

But being a surface only alpha is just the very worst position for a man to be in.

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

But being a surface only alpha is just the very worst position for a man to be in.

what did you mean?

[–]RanaMahal3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

his point is essentially a beta husband is like a puppy, they don’t wanna hurt it but they’re not impressed by it either, it’s cute and cuddly.

being a constant alpha means you’re like a rottweiler, she doesn’t wanna fuck with you cuz fucking with you would mean she’s out of your life.

being an alpha on the surface but secretly being a beta underneath means you seem alpha until your frame is tested and then it collapses. this is the worst position to be in because you’re gonna get fucked with by her the most. she’s gonna feel lied to, and will go cheat on you as soon as possible to find an alpha to fuck her. most men are in this area, they try to be alpha but their frame cracks and breaks down.

being a true beta where the woman is the alpha and wants to be with a beta who she knows is a beta from the getgo will also work out a fair bit but that’s only if she’s a specific kind of woman (note: 95% of women are not like this)

[–]Treatscatscrave2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly what I mean.

The very worst example of this I've witnessed is an acquaintance of mine: good-looking, irreverent- all the surface alpha qualities but he has mental issues.

Meets a really fat ugly single mom who is besotted by him. Owing to mental issues, he moved in with her ( unable to cope alone, and no woman with options wants an unemployed guy who never worked).

Of course, his mental issues reveal themselves once the besotted stage passed and reality kicks in.

He's basically jelly and, she knowing he has no other options coupled with the fact that she knows he never was- or will be- seriously into her, dumped him.

Not before fucking his ' best friend' either.

But not just dumped him but accused him of rape, and other horrors -naturally, he no longer sees the kids at all.

Awful stuff.

I've seen betas move out of family home and be screwed financially but at least they still have access to children and not accused of serious crime.

[–]RanaMahal3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yep it’s even funnier when it goes the reverse way too. my dad’s youngest sister went so far with turning her alpha in highschool husband into a beta cuck, that she literally cucked him. he watched her fuck a 6’2 ripped greek god looking guy. then divorced him to be with the 6’2 ripped dude, and the most hilarious shit happened.

so somehow, the man became RP overnight. he kicked her out of the family home, with the promise to pay her rent and then stopped paying after 6 months, has half and half custody of the kids, turned my cousins against her by telling her they got divorced cuz she wanted a new boyfriend, to the point where they don’t actually come visit her to see HER, they do it to see ME cuz i play games with them and take them to movies and shit. it’s sad as fuck.

i feel bad for her cuz she’s my aunt but at the same time she made her stupidity bed and now she can lie in it. best part? his business blew up, he’s now a multi millionaire (has 5 bathroom stores that are posting up 8 figures in revenue each), has a hot new young wife (i think she’s mid 20s and they’re just under 40), and is living in the family home still.

he stopped paying her rent money, so now she lives with us in our house, and her alpha bf dumped her ass cuz she got too clingy and he has a wife + 2 other plates. his wife knows too. on top of that she now has a new guy who i’d say is kinda purple pilled, he seems BP as fuck and is willing to marry a single mother, but he’s also a single father, and he doesn’t take her shit as much, he puts his foot down, doesn’t let her fuck around etc and threatens to pull his money from her if she acts up. he’s a cop makes about 100k.

[–]Treatscatscrave0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good for the guy for turning this around.

The guy in my contribution here has also met a woman who seems to be helping him turn his life around somewhat: he's got a talent in a certain area that she's encouraging him with that is proving lucrative. She seems smart enough to bring out the best in him.

She's also -while no great beauty- is compariatively much better looking than the ex (a 6 compared to a 2) which is no doubt really pissing off his ex who has gotten even more massive than before and tattooed up and pink- haired playing the 'abused woman' card.

Such women go full on retard when the very best THEY can do turns out to be a fake alpha.

They are simply optionless.

She will probably turn lesbian or something.

[–]RanaMahal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

even the lesbians don’t want her lol at least not the ones she’s after. the hot lesbians only want the other hot lesbians

[–]z2a1-91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

indeed

[–]FlyingSexistPig28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because it doesn't actually matter to a woman who else you're fucking.

It's only an issue if she thought she was dating down to be with you. The only reason she's dating you is because you'll commit, and Chad won't

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. After what happened I didn't want her anymore though.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev36 points37 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

First, have a fucking password on your phone, dumb ass.

Second, women are often willing to share a high value man rather than have a beta all to themselves, (or worse, no man). Why? Because, from a biological perspective, the woman knows the baby is hers, but the man must have faith. Also, it's a form of pre-selection: the thing that makes a guy most attractive? That other women want him.

Third, don't think this shit is over. It's not. She's just onto you now. She may not have split because: no branch to swing to, but don't be surprised when that happens.

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol I'm new to this bro. I've had chicks go through my phone before. But idk I didn't think she was like that. Unfortunately they're all like that.

[–]adriano5154 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We have an acronym for that? AWALT

[–]z2a1-93 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

First, have a fucking password on your phone, dumb ass.

yup haha

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because right now they think that you are the best they can get and they will try to convert you into the good guy.

They treat you better in hopes you will stay.

If they had other options then she would dump you right away.

They also stick around because even tho monkey branching is easier for women...monkey branching still takes a lot of time.

Most of these guys will think..."Oh it's because cheating is so alpha bro" it's not...it's just a woman with lack of options or it's just taking her time behind his back or she is confident that her pussy is the best.

[–]IndiansSmellLikePoo11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One time I texted a side girl during my LTR (this was before the red pill) and said want to meet up etc and she saw this on my phone. She started crying andcl carrying on. I didn't apologise and said to stop trying to control me.

After that she was so submissive and I've never seen her like that before. In the moment I had no idea why she was acting so loving etc. After reading TRP it all made sense.

[–]jerrymcguiver11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So if I tell my wife(4) that I have a mistress(7) that is desperately trying to steal me away will she be cool with it?

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[–]jerrymcguiver7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao my joke was the steal away part. I've been in a hysterical bonding tug of war for the past 2 months. Broke it off with the mistress 5 times. When i tell the wife I'm going out on a Friday night I know by her look she knows. But she fucks my brains out when i get home. Hey I'm bpd, women use me like a meth pipe and can't get enough. I'm sure they'll hit the tweaking stage eventually and I'll move on. I don't like how tweakers suck my pipe.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You have a 4 year old wife and a 7 year old mistress? Who are you, Mohammad?

[–]jerrymcguiver9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't bother drawing a picture of me. Just think of Brad Pitt as Achilles minus the long hair.

[–]jenovajunkie5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My view is this, a woman wants to be desired, to feel like she has control. It may be that the overestimated how much she is desired by you, thus she didn't treat you as well as she could have, and she was really content with the way you are with her.

Thus, when she found out that she was actually in jeopardy of being a second option, her ego shattered.

Or you could be making all this up in order to have the weaker men who desire to have this type of dominance over a woman, idolize you and TRP ideology.

I think that if it is true, the girl was obviously playing games and you called her bluff, she may have been treating you sub-par and paid.

[–]huey76430 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This nigga really spelled sense "since"

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck you i was working

[–]z2a1-90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

haha

[–]tom-anonymous5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes it's because she believes she cannot do better (hypergamy at work). However this is only based on current circumstances. She only sticks around because a better opportunity hasn't presented itself yet (hypergamy). Once presented, she'll have no problem using the cheating to rationalize her leaving (hypergamy - in this case I don't blame her).

[–]1Red_Pill_Brotherhood8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holding frame high enough SMV. Also, some women are more forgiving and some of it is that at least they know that other women desire you even though they may not like the cheating.

[–]Domebeers3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a client who is a legit 'guru'. Teaches enlightenment, goes to India and sits on the dung pile, the whole nine yards. Spiritual guy.

You know what his advice on women is? "If you like them, treat them like shit"

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cheated on a girl, felt horrible about it. She liked me MORE after I did. For years she couldn't leave my side

[–]SoA_MC2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You obviously wanted her to go through your phone. Everyone who is a ‘victim’ of a girl going through their phone secretly wanted it to happen. If you didn’t, you’d have a lock on it.

[–]Reenas543 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you really take advice from guy, that dates fat single mother?

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

???????? What?

[–]Reenas54-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

His gf/ltr Shannon or Sharon

[–]Furi0usxStylez[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's his ex wife i think. His new chick is Devon I think

[–]Reenas540 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah,Devon. Yes, we are talking about same chick.

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[–]antariusz8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gee, what a coincidence....

[–]Huntbutt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

fuck I wish I could say I haven't noticed this to be the case, but it's so blatantly obvious.

The optimal way to boost their love for you is to plant seeds in their subconscious that you are a superior being and above them in the social hierarchy.

It's manipulative but still is nothing compared to what Women do on the daily in terms of mind games.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not falling down that rabbit hole of MGTOW again. Don't get me wrong, you do you.

[–]JedYorks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Big dick, good looking man who is better looking And taller than her friends BFs.

[–]MisterMarbles19880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I was dating this sexy 19 y/o and was hitting some chicks on the side. I wasn't using condoms with the 19 y/o but with the other girls I was, and left some wrappers in my bedside drawer. She found them one time and was sad, kind of had tears in her eyes but basically became my defense counsel for me.

"Well...I know you just had a moment of weakness...I understand, you have needs...I'm sure you just messed up, I know it won't happen again..."

I never even apologized. It was fucking bizarre but she rationalized it all away for herself. I basically just shrugged, nodded, agreed and moved on with our lives.

[–]mabev435680 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because we are designed to live in caves, or naked in the African savanna, and on those conditions, a cheater is genetically successful.

Women are genetically attracted to genetically successful traits.

On sexual matters women aren't logical. They act out of instinct. Instinct uses emotions to overrule the rational mind.

[–]krunchtimer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do women stick around even after you cheat?

Does this also apply to most married men? I don't think so.

[–]WIA20XX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You play hardest for the coach that critiques you the most.

[–]botanicalroots0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

mine does, other GF I had stayed too... but you need to be High SMV or have something unique about you... and of course... fuck her like no one else does... they always come back or simply they never leave... Its weird, they dont even aknowledge self worth or dignity.... Its evolution baby

[–]30dirtyfingers0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Had a girl tell me that when a girl is cheated on (her included), its such a blow to her self esteem, she has to feel better about herself before she can leave, which requires her to stay and treat her man like a king to validate herself. That way, when (she meant if) she leaves, it hits him harder.

[–]MVWeiss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Preselection

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ask yourself why YOU think it is. Draw your own conclusions, based on your experiences.

RedPill is empowering yourself to conduct your own experiments, then form your own conclusions about it.

You don't need to defer your thinking to what reasons other men give

The real questions are - did it get you what you want? What worked? Do you want to continue doing it?

Form your own thinking.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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