Rant/VentingThe stop-being-boring shortcut. Go to India. (self.TheRedPill)

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TL; DR It's a crazy place. But they speak English. You can go for 3 months for $2000 including flight and 3 months of hotels and restaurants. You're sitting with your dick in one hand and a microwave burrito in the other. You get on that fucking plane and your life will never be the same.

I wrote a response to someone in asktrp asking what he could do to not be such a boring person. He said his life consists of sitting in front of his computer, video games, microwaving hot pockets, and working a dead-end retail job. And fapping.

My idea for him was to go to India for 3 months. And I would recommend it to anyone who has an issue with life going nowhere. It is a bit of a cliché to travel through India after a crisis. But it's a cliché because it works. In the old days, you might have been able to go to Europe, but Europe is quite expensive these days, and to be honest, it's not really much of an escape from the Anglo-Saxon global consumerist world any more.

Here's why India is a good plan:

  1. It's affordable to do for 3 months. If you have even a minimum wage job, or slightly above, you just need to save up $2000. You should already have that if you work or be able to save it by cutting out bullshit for 2-3 months. You can get to India for about $1000, then live there for $300/month. Yes, it's that cheap. Price have gone up slightly since when I was there in 2006. But I lived very well, better than I ever had, for $250/month. That includes a hotel every night. 3 meals a day at restaurants. (Meals can cost between $0.80 and $1.50 - hard to believe but true. I'm talking full meals with a starter and a drink.) And traveling by train across the entire country, which is as big as a continent. You can get from one corner of the country to another for about $25 on a second-class train ticket.

  2. You cannot help but have adventures every day, which will improve your SMV by helping you deal with the unexpected, and furthermore have interesting stories to tell. When you're somewhere that exotic, everything is an adventure. Ordering a meal in an Indian restaurant. Walking down the street. Taking a second-class train on a 40-hour ride across southern India. You cannot do any of these things without gaining some new experience. Then, further adventures will surely come your way. On my very first day in India, my gf and I were asked to participate in a Bollywood movie. We didn't know whether it was legit or not, so we decided to take a shot. The owner of our hotel had recommended us (because we were white and they needed to shoot a scene "in London" with white people. I'm sure the hotel owner got a kickback for pimping out his guests, but whatever, why not.) So, we got on a van to a studio on the outskirts of Mumbai and shot a scene in a Bollywood movie. A year later, I found the DVD and saw myself in a crowd scene. How much of an awesome adventure to be doing that, and how cool to let slip off your tongue, if you have no other accomplishments in life, that your face appears in a Bollywood movie. And I got paid to do it. About $10, but that was more than a whole day's budget for hotel and meals.

  3. You will probably lose that pathetic fat you have from sitting on your ass. You might get sick. I had low-level stomach irritation for 2 of the 4 months I was there. But I lost 45 pounds and had a visible 6-pack for the first time in my adult life. On the other hand, hopefully you won't get sick, but you will eat more vegetarian food, spicy food, and natural food products instead of your damn Hot Pockets. Which is what you are turning into!

  4. You will turn more Red Pill in the sense of gaining true perspective. You will see families of 6 sleeping on a blanket on the sidewalk. You will stop whining like a bitch that your cable signal is lagging. You will see skeletal cows walking through the streets and bodies burning in the Ganges and you will see that you only have one life and your pathetic self sitting night after night in front of a video of a BBC plowing a 19 year-old slut while you drool and touch yourself is an offense to YOURSELF.

  5. Furthermore, you can't even find porn in India. When I went, I had a friend who asked me to bring an Indian porn magazine back for him as a souvenir. So I went into press shops now and then for 4 months. Couldn't find Indian Playboy or Indian Hustler. Now, I'm sure they exist somewhere underground, and obviously some Indians have uploaded some porn online, but it also clears your mind when you see a whole culture that despite a very large segment being uneducated and impoverished, understands enough of human nature and dignity to not put up disgusting sex filth for perverted, lazy minds up for sale just because they have the freedom to do so. In many ways, you will learn how uncultured our advanced Western civilization is.

  6. On the other hand, you will see things Indians don't do particularly well, such as civic cleanliness. There is trash everywhere. You will gain a respect for the cleanliness standards of your home country. It might give you a little respect for authority realizing that civilization doesn't happen automatically on its own. You are part of civilization when you have self-respect and demand respect from others. And even if you don't agree with my take, you will certainly form some opinion that will make you a less boring person.

It's a sacrifice. I'm asking for 3 months of your life. And $2000 of your cash.

But is it any worse than getting a Master's degree for 2 years and $80,000? Depending where you are in life, going to India may bring more value to your life and self-worth than any education degree.

It is a short-cut. It's not the full deal of what you need if you're 25 or 30 and still a boring person. But if you left today, you could be back home by June telling girls at a bar about that crazy beach in India where you swam with dolphins. You will sound like a jet-setter, but the entire experience cost less than what a sorority girl spends on Frappuccinos in a year.

Make the lightest plan possible. Don't stay in one city. Tell yourself: 1 week in Mumbai to get settled in and take it all in. Then take a train somewhere far. Rajastan. Delhi. Calcutta (I loved Calcutta.) Kerala. Tamil Nadu.

When I was in Tamil Nadu, a man got beheaded on the street for looking at another guy's girlfriend. Wouldn't you like to tell a story like that?

Don't go to Goa. It's a hippie colonial outpost and you're just gonna smoke weed. But even if you do that, it's better to smoke weed on a beach in Goa with a bunch of burnt out hippies than to do it in your bedroom waiting for your fucking HotPocket to cool down!

And then, who knows. Maybe you'll run into some awesome chick over there who's your new plate, your next LTR.

Something is gonna happen. Because you're gonna step out from the airplane into that hot India air with nothing but a return ticket 3 months later and you're gonna be forced to do something interesting.

EDIT: There seems to be some confusion and people are piggybacking in the comments giving advice that is derailing the point of this post. It's not about going somewhere that is FUN. If that was my point, I would have said, Go to Cancun during Spring Break! Woo! The point is that India is a chaotic, challenging place. Moreso than Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, or Vietnam. I'm not recommending a fun vacation. I'm recommending a place that will challenge you physically, mentally, and spiritually. And you will get a quick injection of significant life experience. I.e. I saw a man in Darjeeling that had a head, neck and boneless legs, but no body. I can't even explain it. But I know what I saw. You see more shit like that in India than anywhere else I can think of. A ladyboy bar in Bangkok does not compare.

2ND EDIT: As a commenter mentioned, travel to India requires a visa. And, I will add, immunization. So plan on another $100-$200 for that. And you need to plan at least a few weeks in advance unless you want to pay a rush fee for your visa. That said, you can still be out of your life and in FUCKING INDIA by the end of this month if you want to. Or you could fap and fall asleep with your own cum pooling in your belly button again.

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 55 points56 points  (16 children)

Solid advice.

I don't remember who said that but I heard that before. For a young man, it's important to go and live in a different country, with different language.

You will lose that stupid pompous ego most of us carry, because you will have about 3 words to buy food, rent a room, get directions and to get a job, if necessary.

It must be incredibly enriching, one will come back from such trip different, better. I wish I wasn't 32. I'd have to quit my job to make a month long trip, forget about 3, so younger guys, use one of your summer holidays on this. Tv, parties, games and sluts will wait.

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[–]redzorp 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Racism against whites in India? Did you really experience that as a common occurrence?

All the white friends and colleagues I've know who've been to India say the exact opposite - that whites are somewhat put on a pedestal, especially by hotel and restaurant staff. Most Indians in India think of white people as rich, coming from highly developed countries. They treat white people, and most tourists in general, with a high degree of hospitality, friendliness and respect.

The major complaint from whites who go to India is the constant begging from street children and the price hikes from street vendors who want to gouge all foreigners.

[–]let_terror_reign 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They do. That said, they do hate the whites in village areas for being the reason why they, the darker skinned people get flak for not being white. transferred hatred, if you will.

[–]couchpotatocarl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This. Also they love whites in the tourist destinations, likely where his white friends went to.

[–]maddenm 43 points43 points [recovered]

I like this suggestion. A trip to India isn't going to solve all your problems, but it sure as hell is going to shake up your expectations and perspective on life. I think all of us should be seeking to change up our environment from time to time to improve our adaptability.

India is the equivalent of getting a defibrillator shock to the heart. It is frequently touted among travel junkies as one of the most challenging destinations in the world, not because it is unsafe but because it is just so... different from the reality that westerners know. As one of the most religiously diverse countries in the world, you will expose yourself to a multitude of outlooks on life. You will witness extreme poverty. You might get sick. You might get scammed. You will taste flavors you've never experienced before. It's not going to be comfortable, and that's the point. People will think it's cool that you went somewhere so exotic and it will serve to make you more interesting to others. But more importantly, you will improve yourself as a man by building up your life experience.

Just don't go there expecting to game or spin plates. Their culture is not conducive to that sort of thing.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Yes, I've found that people who need a shakeup get something out of it. Specifically in India more than anywhere else. I don't know why.

I found a fundamental job connection that set much of my career in motion.

My gf, 18 at the time and not sure what to do in life, came to the realization she wanted to go to art school, which is what she did.

My brother went on a separate trip and it helped him get over drugs.

I met lots of people out there who were getting over exes. Or who were bored to death with their jobs.

Exactly as you say, it's not the be-all and end-all to all your problems, but but for the price of 10 therapy sessions you are sure to shake up your life. And the experiences and memories are there for a lifetime.

[–]LeDispute 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What would you say are the most challenging aspects of it? Are there bathrooms or are there incredible language barriers etc. I'm guessing there aren't travel guides to help you.

[–]paradimeshift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As someone who studied abroad there it's a multitude of things. For one, it requires extreme patience and flexibility. Things vary from place to place but overall it's a piss poor country. Think of the movie Elysium, a brand new skyscraper looks out over miles of slums. Utilities like electricity and water either go in and out, or don't exist. Public bathrooms, parks, largely libraries aren't present. People seem to be everywhere you go. Beggars, kids with no arms, cows and other animals roam city streets. In the villages it's like traveling back to the early 1900s. Human rights abuses abound, sex trafficking, debt slavery, the caste system(anyone who says it's dead is a liar) There are so many different beliefs crammed into such a small space it's amazing. Imagine crossing a state line and encountering people who speak a different language, and follow a different set of cultural values and religious beliefs. Truly another world.

[–]Gadnuk_ 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I went to Lucknow, Jodhpur, Jaipur, Varanasi and Delhi. I was already well traveled and well educated but this changed my entire perspective on what life is.

We often tall about social class and inequality in the western world, but my first day in Lucknow it hit me hard. There was a young mother with 3 children picking over a massive pile of rotting rubbish on the streets. The children looked to be between 3 and 8. School for them was out of the question. Within hours I realized this was completely normal. Shanty towns of people living under tarps in the 120 degree heat with no clean water are everywhere. It's not isolated and it's not the worst case scenario. Contrast this with westerners who bitch because gas is expensive. If you are bitching about gas prices it's because YOU OWN A FUCKING CAR. Maybe your boss at burger King is a piece of shit, but guess what? You don't have to worry about your children dying of cholera. It is because they lack perspective and have chosen not to educate themselves as to what real struggle is.

As for Redpill truths, this demonstrated to me that I have no excuses whatsoever for not being the best fucking man I can be, when I have all of the tools at my disposal to do so. Our greatest enemy is our own weakness and lack of discipline. Even the poorest among us have everything we need to live healthy, strong, and prosperous lives. That is not the case in many countries.

[–]Throway99038 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Calcutta (I loved Calcutta.)

As a guy who is born and brought up in Calcutta really enjoyed that comment. Yeah India is getting a lot of bad press lately owing to crime against women, but NY or LA at night is as dangerous as Delhi if not more. Speaking from personal experience i had more trouble in Paris then anywhere i have been to. Any man or woman travelling to any foreign country should always take precautions.

People from first world countries should definitely travel to the lesser privileged part of the world at-least once in their lives. Whether your experience is good or bad, it will definitely change your perspective in life.

P.S. Anybody who is going to India to smoke weed should give Himachal Pradesh a try rather then Goa. You can find far better quality weed there.

[–]Polishrifle 163 points164 points  (11 children)

Jesus christ is the reading comprehension of this sub going down the shitter?!

This is good advice for the loser that has nothing going on. I did this when I graduated college (except Thailand/Cambodia) and the experience was amazing through and through.

Challenging yourself by doing shit like this will make you a better person.

[–]LeDispute 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Could you tell us about Thailand/Cambodia and how long you stayed? Does it sound similar to OP's experience?

[–]bearze 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah I'd love to hear about this

All I hear about Thailand, are stories on lady boys, and I know there is a lot more it has to offer

[–]shmurshmursh 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I spent three months in Thailand last year. Two of those months I spent at a muay thai camp outside Chiang Mai. It was awesome. We trained every day and watched fights every weekend. Even the month I spent travelling around, I still watched muay thai fights every weekend. Thailand is incredibly diverse: awesome mountains in the north and incredible beaches in the south. I did not spend any time in Bangkok, though. Nothing much appealed to me in Bangkok.

[–]Polishrifle 7 points8 points  (1 child)


So I actually planned my trip mostly with the help of SA Forums. There was a super topic on backpacking through Southeast Asia and I'm sure it is probably still going. Here's the thing about SEA.

Yes there is prostitution, there are lady boys, there are all these things but you have to actively seek them out. I think I only saw one ladyboy during my entire time during both countries and it was when I was on the main drag in Siem Reap.

I went to do exciting shit in a short amount of time for cheap. I went Mountain biking in Doi Suthep in Chiang Mai, I went whitewater rafting in Chiang Mai, I explored all of Angkor Wat. I partied and did karaoke with some Phillipinos that I met in Siem Reap. I smoked massive joints with some dutch kids in Siem Reap. ETC.,

My airfare was about $1500 at the time (I went in January and didn't really shop around) and I spent about $3k total including my airfare, so $1,500.00 for the whole month including lodging, travel, eating, and souvenirs. I probably spent a lot of money on frivolous shit too like alcohol. Especially in Cambodia.

I would definitely figure out what you want to do on your trip whether it be adventure seeking, partying, exploring nature, etc. The Lonely Planet guidebooks and the topic on something awful are both really good resources on backpacking through SEA.

Seriously, everything is super cheap. I was eating 3 course meals for like $5 in Chiang Mai. I took a cooking course for like $20 and was full for the day and I'm a 250lbs dude.

Also, snake whiskey.

[–]stash600 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I stayed in Thailand for 2 weeks last year during my spring break. It was from Australia, so granted the flight was a bit cheaper and shorter than coming from the states.

From OP's description of India, it does sound a lot like India. I stayed in Bangkok for a couple days, then traveled south to Koh Phagan and Kao Sok national park for a few nights, and then traveled west to Phucket.

It is a pretty large tourist destination, Koh Phagan is viewed as basically the Cancun for Australia, so depending on where you are what you're doing can vary.

It's a bit more expensive for meals, usually $1-$2 for a meal and the same for a large beer. But honestly I found that it was better to just get street food, which was the most delicious food I've ever had and even cheaper.

Bangkok gets a bad rap for being unsafe because of movies like the Hangover, but there were good places and bad, and I never once felt in danger or threatened, so I imagine it's no different than any other major city.

The entire country was absolutely beautiful and much of the country speaks passable English (compared to a country like China where no one at all does).

No matter where you want to go in the world, I'd suggest looking up tours that travel through the country and then plan a similar trip on your own if you have a time constraint. Usually you'll hit plenty of good spots, avoid a lot of risk and save a lot of money. Additionally Thailand has the easiest Visa requirements in the world, and you can get a 30 day visa for free when you show up there. If it's about to run out you can take a day trip to Cambodia and then turn around back to Thailand and you can get another 15 day visa for free.

[–]LeDispute 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this information! I'm going to do more research on prices and planning.

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[–]PolishedIvory 6 points6 points [recovered]

Thank you for this response; the original post was great, and I was seriously considering going to India, and this post just pushed me over the top. Kudos.

See you there!

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (18 children)

Better yet, go to Thailand and live at a Muay Thai camp for several months. Come home tougher, in better shape with excellent stories.

[–]FauxPas123 6 points7 points  (8 children)

That sounds like an awesome experience. Are there any camps you would recommend? How does staying in a camp compare to renting an apartment and attending classes?

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There are a thousand camps all over. There are websites dedicated to listing them all with reviews. It all depends on where you stay. Ive been there twice. First time I was 6 weeks second time 4 months. I spent the majority of my time on the island of Koh Samui. Its a fucking paradise.

Most of the camps offer accommodation. But I actually just recommend going to an hotel and offer to pay a monthly fee, they will give you a great deal on a good room, especially if you are not there during high season. I paid something like 300 dollars a month for an awesome bungalow by the beach (air conditioning, tv, housecleaning etc. all included).

[–]calantus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How much does the training cost?

[–]Roman_Statuesque 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Depends on where you go. Some won't charge anything, however you will be required to fight in bouts and the camp will take the purse. So doing something like that would be pretty cheap. Really just need money for transportation.

[–]GuideGhost 34 points34 points [recovered]

I second the Thailand recommendation.
Go to Bangkok, ride tuk-tuks around. Go on Tinder, if you're white, every swipe will be a match. Go to Koh Phangan, lay in hammocks, party on the beach with a bunch of drunk 20-year-old British kids. Go to Chiang Mai, rent a motorbike, get a few $5-for-an-hour-long massages, pet some tigers. Really, it's hard to go wrong.

[–]blendface 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Thirded. If you go to Chiang Mai, train at KC Muay Thai. Fucking amazing gym

[–]BannedBandit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

How accepting are these camps of shitty white people who just don't compare to a seven year old thai kid?

[–]fittitthroway 5 points6 points  (2 children)

$5 an hour massage? Are the masseuses hot? Will they give happy endings?

[–]Roadside-Strelok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Happy ending is more like $15-30 minimum.

[–]Espada18 53 points54 points  (54 children)

When I was in Tamil Nadu, a man got beheaded on the street for looking at another guy's girlfriend.

What are the chances that this would happen to me as a foreigner?

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 57 points58 points  (31 children)

lol. Not very. Apparently the guy had been looking at the girlfriend for months and been told to stop, but he didn't stop and finally the guy was enraged and cut his head off in the street.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 24 points25 points  (16 children)

I worked with an Indian in a kitchen, who had to wire like 6000,- Euros to India. His grandfather split a guys head with a machete. He had been littering the town river, where they also got their drinking water, for months and didn't care, when he was told to stop.

In fact he preferred to get drunk and insult the grandfather's wife and daughter, so my co-worker had to send some money, so the police would forget about that little incident.

All I can say is, that I liked to work with Indians and Pakis the most. They are all pretty RP (i.e. one obese Paki was married and had a flat rented with his brother, where they constantly banged young Russian chicks) and they are real soldiers.

I've never met any other cultural group who could work that much and that hard, being able to learn everything from scratch, just from watching and being so reliable.

That dude with the grandfather worked at a pizza parlor from 10am to 3pm, took the train to the french restaurant where I worked, and did another shift from 4pm to midnight. He did that six days a week. On the seventh day he granted himself some rest and only did the evening shift at the restaurant I worked at. Never did I hear him complain. In fact he then went on the train to fuck some Indian hotty for hours, after he popped some Viagras he had been sent from India. That dude was 23.

That Paki with the flat, he did something similar, and today he owns two good-going, highly-rated restaurants in my town and owns half of his town at home. To be fair, they have a system, where the one that got you the job, recieves an Euro of the hourly rate you make.

See. I didn't even go to India and I have plenty of stories to tell. So you better go there. ;)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

constantly banged young Russian chicks

Is it me, or are Russian chicks getting easier? I feel like the influx of "I banged a Russian girl" type posts has been increasing all throughout reddit and popular culture slightly.

I couldn't care less, I'm Polish, but still...

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I couldn't care less, I'm Polish, but still...

Since you entered the EU, your girls have got sluttier. Polish girls in the UK turn into English girls it's really sad. Put on weight and become feminist whores. Not all of them, but most of them. The EU project probably improved Poland out of all countries the most economically, but culturally you've given up a lot. Be interesting to see Poland in 1-2 generations from now - westernised. Be interesting to see how well that polish work ethic holds up as your cost of living continues to rise and working in richer EU states doesn't provide the purchasing power that it once did.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It's really unfortunate being an ex-soviet satellite. I'm trying to keep the culture going where I'm at but it's definitely a losing battle.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude I'm in Canada and as of a week ago I can be like hurr hurr I banged a polish chick.

Eastern euros are always coming to the west, it seems to be as fetishized as it is in Asia.

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worked at a pizza parlor from 10am to 3pm, took the train to the french restaurant where I worked, and did another shift from 4pm to midnight. He did that six days a week. On the seventh day he granted himself some rest and only did the evening shift at the restaurant I worked at.

That just seems like a terrible existence, but what the fuck do I know. And then he banged some broad after working like 14 hour days ... I really need to do something different with my life.

[–]kratol 10 points10 points [recovered]

The thing is you are getting the ambitious filter with almost any immigrant that has come over to the western world. It's TOUGH AS SHIT to immigrate here if your from there unless you got lucky with family connections. Even then it's a challenge.

That makes you think the average south indian is smart and studious or ambitious as shit, when your just seeing the cream of the crop from a billion person country.

[–]redzorp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes and know. The one thing about Indians (and Chinese and Jews) - is that you can drop them anywhere in the world and they will prosper. Africa. Asia. Europe. North America. The Middle East. Anywhere...

Ironically, the one place Indians find it hard to prosper is India itself - due to a byzantine bureaucracy. Imagine 10 million civil servants shuffling infinite stacks of hand-written notes and receipts to get even the most trivial tasks done. And all of that is sandwiched between a culture of bribery at the bottom and uber-corrupt politicians at the top.

If Indians ever rose up to kill that insane bureaucracy, the country would become a dominant global super-power, as it was for over 1,500 years.

[–]Axoc 16 points17 points  (3 children)

So when you say, "looking at", you mean he was like a beta orbiter, right? Not like they locked eyes across the street from each other and the boyfriend beheaded the other guy?

I ask because this sounded like one of the best posts on this sub I've seen but fuck everything else in this post if locking eyes with a woman means beheading.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

No. As I recall (this is 8 years ago) the guy had been hanging around her, sending her messages, talking about her, that sort of thing. After he'd been asked/told to stop.

So, either a beta orbiter who she got tired of, or an omega harrasser. In any case, not something you have to worry about. Indian people are generally peaceful.

[–]RedPillProphet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If the girl had been completely unresponsive the bf would not have gotten so enraged, so may be there was more of an affair going on. I can see a real danger for people from TRP in that environment.

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[–]let_terror_reign 7 points8 points  (8 children)

I'm Indian. I'll tell you how this goes down. You like a girl, and she sort of shows an interest. Local mafioso likes her, makes his interest known. She'll be his, one way or another. He hears about you. His men warn you once. Hefty strongmen. Next transgression, you get picked up on a dark alley ( or the middle of the road) and hauled into a minivan. Taken to a nearby pier, chopped into pieces and what's left of your corpse goes home in a sack.
Or, challenge issues wildly, sickle in hand and his men hold you while he flays you.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Dark triad and the third world = murder people and get away with it. Yes they're influential, but very, very few DTs could get away with murder in the west without serious prison time. I assume the mafia there pay the police off, or have their own guys on the force as double-agents?

[–]let_terror_reign 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Mix of both. Mafia are above the police, often have them on payroll. Think traditional Italian stereotypical levels of strength, with the savagery of the primal animal. Shows of brutality are very common to set precedents.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Shows of brutality are very common to set precedents.

Funny how developed nations shift from physical violence to mental violence as a way of maintaining power and control.

Violence is seen as the absolute worst thing in the west, physical violence, it's constantly derided and anyone who lifts a finger no matter how morally justified is absolutely crucified/demonised/ostracised. But then that's because we're a pussy-whipped civilization, women's preferences run the show, so passive aggressiveness reigns supreme instead of blunt physical combat.

Yet in the third world, the person provoking you and laying out the bait would get fucked up and there would be no pity party for the guy who had it coming. In a fucked up way, I think there's more justice there. I'm not saying the Mafia is a good thing, more so that people resolve their conflicts through violence rather than passive aggressive head games/framing people/SJW bullshit and blah blah blah. A fight is over quickly. Mental shit drags out and bleeds into all areas of life, in fact I think mental violence is far more dangerous than physical. Mental violence is often uncalled for. Physical violence tends not to happen unless you're disrespectful.

All that shit injects mental illness into a society, it makes people untrusting and pseudo-sociopathic. When people get beaten up, they tend to learn their lesson and humble up. They realise they're no longer invincible. Stupid people in particular won't listen to reason, they need a fucking ass kicking. Yet in the west, those people who need an ass kicking never got it. Instead of being punished for provocation, they get to yield it as an effective tool for ruining other people's live who can't resist their mental abuse. You see it with women "he wont hit me, if he does, his ass will be in prison, so I will just continue to run my mouth and really fuck with this guy, because I can, and he can't do a thing!" - it's that kind of thinking which runs so rampant here. It gives weak manipulative people, particularly women, far too much power, and does not encourage them to be moral people. When you know you can get away with being a cunt, you will act like one if nobody is going to put you in line - welcome to western civilization.

Here, the plausibly deniable sociopathic snakes win, as long as they don't use fists or violence they're good. If they can provoke you into using fists/violence, even better. They'll just go on about how you're a violent thug and they don't know why you're acting so crazy (hint: they head fucked you, but they'll overlook that after setting you up and making you look bad to everyone else.)

In the third world, the provocateur gets fucked up. I like that. A lot. That's how it should be. Not this feminised "you can fuck them mentally all you like, but lift a finger and you're behind bars." It's sickening how someone can be mentally abusive here and nothing happens, but if you punch them in the face you're doing time. I always thought that was fucked up. You even see this in western dramas. EG: Frank Underwood provoked a guy in House of Cards to punch him in the face, then bleeding, he used it as leverage to get him to do what he wants because otherwise he'd call the police and get the guy done for assault. Women do a similar thing fabricating/threatening domestic abuse/rape claims if men don't do what they want. All it does is shift the power from the physically strong to the mentally strong. The violence remains. This is why although you're more physically safe in the west, I believe you will encounter far more sociopathy/narcissism etc.

We're not less violent in the west than anywhere else in the world, they just massively disincentivised physical violence, so to accommodate for that we've found ways to be more mentally violent instead.

[–]Repentent_sinner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never experienced or heard of any such pervasive mafia violence in southern India. I look like a foreigner there, and I consider it quite safe except for the traffic. I've never once heard of even gossip about mafioso killing people over girls here. Not sure which part of India the OP is referring to.

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[–]let_terror_reign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Statement of business. When you're above the law and establishing your reputation for brutality, you don't care where it is. Street isn't that different when it's a more mafia controlled place. If it's a place with actively just police corps then it's less likely, but village side do not, I repeat DO NOT pull any shit. You will be destroyed violently.

[–]triceratraps 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Being white and foreign in a poor country is kind of like a shield. No one will fuck with you because they assume you have money, status, connections. Its much easier to do stuff for your money than to rob and kill you and be extradited to the united states.


It mentions like 1600 american citizens died worldwide in TEN YEARS.


This states that 60 million trips occured in 2009 and half were to mexico and canada. I honestly believe that mexico is more dangerous than india but I digress. So if you consider 30 million american citizens travel outside NAFTA nations a year. Then for a ten year period 300 million trips have been conducted and of those 1600 result in deaths. You have a 0.0005 percent chance of being killed. Also the number of deaths of white americans is probably lower because I guarantee you most of those deaths in latin american countries were narcos who are also us citizens.

[–]ProjectShamrock 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Mexico is much nicer than India, in my opinion. I go to Sinaloa regularly and have never even heard gunfire there. Obviously I don't hang out in Zeta cartel cities like those along the Texas border but most of the country is ok.

[–]triceratraps 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have family In chihuahua I go all the time. Its a 100 percent way nicer and cleaner. Unfortunately http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate .

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not very high. If you go to Punjabi areas, do not fuck around with this shit though. Unless you happen to have the sword skills to back it up, and I'm not talking sword as in penis. Punjabis are the coolest dudes you'll meet, but the old school ones do not fuck around.

[–]Espada18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd have to be an idiot to fuck around in a country that I'm not familiar with lol, cheers for the heads-up though.

[–]GRRMkills 3 points3 points [recovered]

I like how he says that and then says "Don't go to Goa."

How about don't go to Tamil Nadu? Beheadings <<<<< "hippie colonial outpost"

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Because you'll gain more being surrounded by a place with treacherous violence than another feel-good hippy-dippy stoned out love fest.

[–]GRRMkills 28 points28 points [recovered]

Next post: The stop-being-alive shortcut: Go to Somalia.

I'm just kidding though, I agree with you.

[–]Espada18 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I've actually come back from a business trip to Mogadishu 4 days ago, for a country that's been in turmoil for 2 decades, you'd think it'd be in a worse condition but the place was actually nice.

[–]dousche 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Did you find a nice pirate hostel?

[–]Espada18 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Except the pirates are just peaceful fishermen trying to make a living; when you're dumping waste on foreign soil and illegally fishing you gotta expect some repercussions. But really, you should see the world out there for yourself man, don't believe the crap you see on TV, its just a propaganda box.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If you are looking to change things up and become interesting and get highly unique career training, consider becoming a merchant sailor. There is a completely free school that trains merchant seamen, room and board and everything, and guarantees job placement onboard a ship (although there are substantial fees that get you started at the school, and it's worth noting that shiplife is a physically and mentally taxing environment)


[–]dicklord_airplane 8 points9 points  (0 children)

i think every westerner should take trips to the 3rd world. it will make you appreciate the little things, like the assumption that there will be clean water, working sewage systems, and stable governments wherever you go. you'll really learn to appreciate our charmed western life when you first see packs of children begging in the streets.

[–]Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I have moved back and forth between two cities here a few times, about an hour and 20 minutes apart. Each time it took me out of my comfort zone, and helped me to restart/kickstart my life again. Go to a new bar, a new event - art show.
But India, for less than 300 bones on your way out you could have a brand new custom tailored wardrobe, from professional suits to fitted leather jackets to wear when you start your new life.

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I definitely recommend travel for all young dudes. (And old dudes). I studied abroad all 4 summers of college to take advantage of my scholarship, which in turn was EASILY, 100x more valuable than the entire rest of college. The key was I lived with normal people, not in special dorms or a hotel, always tried to explore off the beaten path, and always befriended locals.

You learn how people are fundamentally identical and how people are different. Yall love to shit on Indian chicks, but take your ass to Trilogy (a nightclub in Mumbai) and you will see a fucking ocean of young, fine chicks dressed like preteens at a Lil Wayne concert.

Then you're walking out with a chick, you see a 12 year old boy with one leg trying to start a fire to keep warm, and he hobbles over to ask you for some money for food. You start to take out a 5 rupee coin which means nothing to you but will make his day, and the princess you pulled mouths off with a disgusted look on her face to the boy, something to the tune of "get away you little shit."

You really see humanity for what it is. You see real class divide and you see that there's only winning and losing, and if you lose in India, whether by birth or circumstance, your entire life is just a disgusting mess, without an ounce of human dignity.

Yall complain about things like how being short is not fair and being ugly and beta makes you "unfuckable". Bitch, some 10% of an entire billion people is classified as "untouchable". If you live in America, you don't fucking have problems. Boo hoo, you have to wait tables or work at McD's. You have dignity; you live in a society where you have hope of salvation from your shitty life.

Because countries like India have such rigid classes and low social mobility compared to the US, you have a lot more honesty in terms of sexual strategy. Parents are honest with their kids (or at least, used to be, there is a growing infestation of western faggotry in India, and by that I don't mean homosexuality, I mean this cock-carousel, special snowflake, age is a number bullshit.) Marry up if you are a girl and you will be saved from a terrible life. Don't marry and you're life will be misery. Be feminine, attractive, and soft-spoken and you'll get a high status guy and live good in a house with servants. Don't be the above, you'll miss the boat and you'll be bitter.

When you meet a chick's parents, they will ask for your job, education, and income. This is useful because you will learn what deep down people are looking for. All of your "money isn't important" will go out the window because you'll see that money really does completely make the world go round. Money is everything in a country where not that many people have it.

Let life Red Pill you. Go to places where humans have no safety net and poverty sits right next to abundance. You will get red pilled.

Wrap it up too. India has an HIV problem. Wrap it even if she's a wealthy little princess; the "pure" ones often take the most dick.

TLDR: I agree with OP and every single time I traveled to somewhere ratchet (Africa, South/Latin America, India, Pakistan) I learned a shit ton.

[–]complex21 55 points56 points  (42 children)

You don't have to go to India. Getting out of your comfort zone and travelling to any foreign land is the best way to become a more interesting person. You lose your anxiety, and self conciseness. You meet new people and immerse yourself in another person's culture. There's nothing better.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 90 points91 points  (29 children)

Yes, but you can do 3 months in India for the same price as 2 weeks in Paris.

The point is it has to be a little bit longer to really effectuate change. A couple weekends exploring the bar scene in Copenhagen is kinda interesting. But 3 months in India is almost guaranteed to set your life in a new direction.

[–]InferiousX 32 points33 points  (3 children)

I was about ready to write a bunch of shit to argue with you on this post.

But once I read the entire thing and some of your follow up comments I couldn't agree more with this. Especially for the young/mid 20 somethings "my life is going nowhere" crowd.

[–]fellanH 5 points5 points [recovered]

I wonder though should you bring your buddies with you or go alone. Feels like it would be nice to have some friends around. But on the other hand you would Learn and meet a lot more people if you were alone, since you would be forced to make friends everywhere. Idk man I'm confused.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Go find a hostel. Hang out in a tourist bar. You'll find friends quickly.

The point is an adventure like this forces you into these situations. You'll have no option but to find people and make it through your 3 months. Maybe friends. Maybe travel buddies. Maybe just a dude you talk to for 6 hours over beers and never see again. But it sure as hell ain't gobs happen while you're waiting for your Hot Pocket to cool.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbicepsblastingstud 3 points4 points  (3 children)

You're missing the forest for the trees. If you're dithering about whether you should bring your friends or not, just don't bother -- you won't do this anyway.

[–]busyalterego 3 points4 points  (2 children)

WTF are you talking about? Trip details are allowed to be planned.

[–]RedPillProphet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that guy def sounds like he'd talk about it but just sit on his ass and do nothing.

[–]donkeyotee 8 points9 points  (12 children)

I live in Texas. I might take a trip to Mexico next year.

[–]1DRMMR76 7 points8 points  (11 children)

Make sure you have a plan A, B, and C for getting out alive. I also live in Texas, in Law Enforcement. You don't hear about even half the shit that's going on down there on the regular news. Enjoy your trip, and have fun, but I sure as hell hope you bring a buddy or 4 and you are all street smart.

[–]HappyNacho 10 points10 points [recovered]

Well, while you don't go to obviously danger/cartel cities you're pretty safe on most of Mexico.

I'm Mexican.

[–]BannedBandit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is sort of like a white guy telling a black guy how friendly everyone in Alabama is, imo.

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Mexican living in Mexico? And what part of you don't mind.

[–]HappyNacho 2 points2 points [recovered]

Guadalajara, in the state of Jalisco.

[–]bearze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could you tell us some stories?

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[–]rockymountainoysters 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Flying to Medellín, Colombia in 10 days, CAN. NOT. FUCKING. WAIT. First trip like this in my life, I'm 36.

I'm gonna stay there a whole month.


  • Sharpen my Spanish (already advanced)

  • Sharpen my social skills

  • Sharpen my cultural awareness

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[–]Scroph 14 points15 points  (12 children)

The followin "Zen Pencils" comic, along with "The Last Samurai" movie, come to mind : http://zenpencils.com/comic/73-mark-twain-an-educational-journey/

I see a lot of disagreement in the comments, which is understandable, not all people enjoy traveling. But I think posts like these are a breeze among all the women-related talk in this subreddit, and I agree with many of the points raised by the OP. What better way to leave your comfort zone than to step out of the land that nurtured you ? What better way to challenge your way of thinking than to live in a radically different culture ? It's like being a Java code monkey only to discover the joys of the functional paradigm, or seeing the hidden color of the dress unfold before your eyes in real time. The only thing I disagree with is the Master's degree argument. While traveling abroad will make you more street-smart, I think it's imperative that you learn some good old fashioned book-smart skill that you can monetize.

Unless of course the emphasis was on the exorbitant price ($80,000) one has to pay in order to learn such a skill, in which case I wholeheartedly agree.

I, on the other hand, have always dreamt of traveling the world. It's one of my long-term projects - "long term projects" here being a euphemism for "things I keep postponing due to laziness" - right next to "publishing a book", "bungee jumping" and "narrating a r/nosleep story".

A friend of mine actually went to India for an internship back in the day, quite an interesting fellow. I might go there one of these days, I often hear people talk about how our cultures aren't all that different (Morocco), I'd like to see it for myself. But first, I have to graduate.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 17 points18 points  (9 children)

I disagree with the zen comic. It wasn't until I traveled that I opened my eyes to the very real racial differences in human beings. When I was in college I was a good little brainwashed cultural Marxist SJW that wanted perfect equality between men, women, and all races and faiths. Moving to Asia red pilled me big time.

It's quite easy to put races and cultures up on a pedestal when you are a middle class white surrounded by other middle class whites. Having been around the block, I recognize that there really are some innate differences between men and women, and some innate differences between the races. That's why Africa remains a dysfunctional shithole and money spent saving them is effectively flushed down the drain.

Did you know that America has now spent more money rebuilding Afghanistan than it spent to rebuild Europe after WWII? Europe quickly rebuilt and became the hub of prosperity and ingenuity it was before the war, whereas Afghanistan remains a shithole and will remain a shithole for the next thousand years. The difference is the people, the DNA.

Travel doesn't turn a KKK member into a feel good multi-culti hippy. If anything it's closer to the reverse, at least in my case. That being said, I am not a white supremacist because the data does not support such a position. The mean IQ of East Asians is actually higher than Europeans. The point is that travelling opens your eyes to the truth regarding humanity. The truth is that there are differences in raw intelligence, creativity, aggression, etc. These differences explain why some societies flourish while others remain hopelessly backward. The best one can do is enjoy the experience and focus on the positive attributes of individual people.

[–]paradimeshift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

can confirm, I was an sjw until I left "the west" as a cultural perspective. I never thought I would come back with a lack of respect for certain elements of anthers culture, but I realized my eyes had been opened.

[–]kratol 8 points8 points [recovered]

No not really. It's because they had a human foundation and a norm of living that was civilization before the war started, and in 6 years or less it all ended. Everyone wanted to get back to civilization, everyone still had their educations, everyone remembered, and there was nobody to really fight as you tried to establish order again.

In afghanistan, it was civilized for a while, and then in the late 70s the country became a hellhole because of the soviet invasion with the usa playing proxy war by supporting the taliban. Before that it was a country you could visit, and you see people being civilized in various pictures. After the war, the taliban instituted their backwards government and it went downhill from there. The population has been fighting against the government ever since the war has started, and it's never really ended. The germans were given their independence back at the end of the war, the afghanis were not.


[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's because they had a human foundation and a norm of living that was civilization before the war started

I don't know what a "human foundation" is but you basically just agreed with me. European tribes are civilized, Afghan tribes are not.

In afghanistan, it was civilized for a while, and then in the late 70s the country became a hellhole because of the soviet invasion with the usa playing proxy war by supporting the taliban.

You are looking at the wealthiest and most educated slice of society living in Kabul and comparing them to all of Europe and declaring that all of Afghanistan was civilized until those dastardly Russians and Americans messed everything up.

Firstly, you contradicted your first point when you said that Europeans had a foundation of civilization and then simply went back to being civilized after the end of WWII. Now you are saying that Afghans were civilized, but they didn't go back to being civilized because "reasons."

Secondly, you can't compare the upper crust of Afghanistan and use them as a benchmark for the whole country. Compare a poor rural village in, say, France, to a poor rural village in Afghanistan.

All of Europe was rebuilt for $103.4B equivalent compared to $109B flushed down the toilet of Afghanistan. Of course for people who believe in White Guilt and that everything is the fault of European and American hubris, no amount of money is enough, and we should flush trillions down the sewer.

[–]Lord_Sif 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every true. People with cogs in their heads work it out, others don't. I grew up part of my life in a ghetto, not overly bad one, but noticed racial differences and other aspects which would click more and more. My sister didn't have as much contact as me early on, but would later be a librarian in this ghetto area, and still doesn't really get it. It is all about how perspective you are. Honestly the KKK guy in the comic is going to come back more convinced. One of the shows mentioned in the post was "Go back to where you come from." where a known leftist tv channel sets people up to visit the areas where "Boat people" come from (Australia) and their hard lives. They won't get any logically reasoned person on there noting the reality of it of course, e.g. we have no responsibility over their lives, if we do allow them, more will come easily, etc since that'll defeat their flimsy argument. Instead they want to get the lower classes, who are impacted majorly but sadly aren't bright enough to comprehend their opinions yet alone the raw reality of the world we live in.

[–]tedcase 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Need an even shorter shortcut for less money?

Go to Beijing for two weeks, be white and not a fatass. You will see what being a top tier alpha is really like.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Elaborate on this, please. How are you treated in Beijing if you're white and not fat?

[–]busyalterego 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I heard Shanghai is like that. Which is better?

[–]RedFapstronaut 4 points5 points  (3 children)

They don't speak much Mandarin in Shanghai. You're likely to find some people that speak English in either, but nowhere near the amount of English fluency that India has. It'd be tougher to get around, but definitely still manageable.

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[–]Seishuu 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've been told by a Beijing native that for them, Shanghai speak is about 10% mutually intelligible.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is, but most of them speak Mandarin too. As a general rule, if they don't speak Mandarin you're unlikely to have much to do with them anyway. Anyone involved in the tourism industry, who works with foreigners/has any interest in them or is under 30 years old is going to speak Mandarin.

Even in bumfuck villages the kids are bilingual or trilingual. I had kids speaking in their local language, Cantonese, Mandarin and they even knew a few phrases of English, despite not knowing what England or America were.

[–]kevkos 6 points7 points  (3 children)

That was a good read.

Not sure about your porn comments, porn is 100% online now so it's available to everyone in the world and I'd be willing to bet that Indians with internet connections download porn at similar rates to the rest of the world (okay maybe not Utah...).

I would also say that you don't have to go as extreme as India to not be boring. Most Americans will be highly impressed if you go to Thailand, even though it's on the tourist trail. It's still WAY more exotic than what 98% of people will do in their lifetime, so don't let the fear of a crazy place stop you from just getting out there.

And BTW Cambodia is pretty wild and Laos can be pretty shocking too depending on where you go.

[–]blendface 2 points3 points  (2 children)

In addition to the porn thing, Thailand, although a very sex-oriented culture, blocks all pornography online.

[–]kevkos 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And then you get on a VPN and it's spank city. Nobody cares what the government does in those countries, it's pretty comical.

[–]sefmz 7 points8 points  (4 children)


What is this?

[–]kvenaik696969 2 points3 points  (2 children)

We have a lot of these tree-hugging hippies having man buns and shit that come to India. It's a nuisance for us because of the views they take to the West. They come with delusional preconceived notions about India being a hard place to live in and they want to "experience oneness with themselves" by meditating.

End up partying hard in their floral print harem pants, getting high off charas (Indian Hashish) and drinking in Indian Nightclubs.

[–]sefmz 3 points4 points  (1 child)


What is this?

[–]beercules1 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Can confirm what OP is saying. I have travelled to India twice and both times were extremely difficult, and I am a second generation Indian. Poverty smacks you right in the face as soon as you step out of that airplane. A mother in the street came up to me and told me to take her baby back to the US so she could have a better life. Talk about perspective...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow... that's incredibly sad.

[–]regal1989 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I was planning on saving up for Russia or Japan, but fuck that noise. My next goal will be india. If I try hard enough, I could be there by the end of the year . I have always wanted to see the Tibetan govmt. in exile. Thanks OP for recharting my destiny!

[–]rahul047 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What do you do if you are from India...

[–]brainiac6 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As someone from India and currently residing in Delhi, it amuses me to see others opinions about my country. The OP is right in a lot of ways. It is pretty cheap here for westerners. I would advise you to couchsurf instead of living in a hotel. You will learn more that way.

I dont feel like being challenged here perhaps because i have lived all my life and belong to a middle class family. But ywah, we have seen some shitty days but thats nothing comparing to the poverty I see everyday.

I disagree with the OP about point 5. Porn is big here. Look at the porn statistics. Indians love porn but there is a stigma about displaying your own sexuality and there is very little mixing between sexes. We have the oldest age at which people lose their virginity.

Also you will notice plenty of racism here. If you are white, you would be put on a pedestal. white skin is fetishised here.

Still the Op is right you should pay a visit here. Not everything is bad here. Sure cleanliness is a problem but people are warm and you would gain a new perspective on life.

Also visit North east India too. Many people miss it but the culture there is a lot different than the rest of India.

If any of you comes to Delhi, give me a message. I'll be happy to roam around with a fellow RedPiller.

[–]romankov 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Excellent post. I've had a similar experience by buying a one way ticket to Ukraine and seeing how raw yet exciting life is there. Is English spoken in India or do you know the native language?

Edit: You addressed my question below.

[–]Oarngie 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Just returned from a month in Sri Lanka yesterday, and I have to agree with everything you said. When I returned to my home country it seemed depressing even though we have money.

[–]donari 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Don't forget to drop by Nepal if ya'll ever happen to go to India!

[–]redditacc_ 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I agree, lots of great trekking routes (ABC, EBC) which will challenge you physically and some of the top rafting destinations in the world (Kaligandaki, Karnali). And if you want to know what it feels like to spot a rhino 10 feet away while taking a morning piss in the jungle do visit Chitwan. You'll never forget it :)

[–]surfjihad 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Been there twice. Am still boring

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (25 children)

Did you see many gyms? I'd be worried about losing gains.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 124 points125 points  (8 children)

I didn't, to be honest.

You can always run and do pushups, other resistance training.

At worst, it's India, you can probably rent a man for 35 cents/hour and bench press him. And then you have another interesting story to tell.

[–]GRRMkills 25 points25 points [recovered]

I think it's kind of sad that some people are so worried about their precious muscles that they'd avoid traveling and experiencing life.

In any case, steroids are legal in India, so the whole "losing gains" thing is not really an issue, especially if you know how to do lots of bodyweight exercises.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, or spend a few months focused on running and endurance instead of muscles. That will pay off physically, too. And you can run through some unforgettable landscapes.

[–]sweetleef 40 points41 points  (2 children)

so worried about their precious muscles

For some people, muscles and working out are their life, or a big part of it. There's no reason to get bitchy and derogative just because they aren't a part of yours.

[–]GRRMkills 14 points14 points [recovered]

Muscles are a part of my life. I lift weights, and I eat very well. However, I don't let it control my life. Nothing controls my life but me. If I want to take a trip to India, damn it I'm taking a trip to India. If I lose a couple pounds of muscle, big deal, it'll take me a couple months at most to gain it back since it's easy to regain size you used to have.

[–]bautron 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Many people don't have much, in fact they have so little that they cannot afford losing it.

It seems this man has a good thing going for him at the gym and it is one of the main sources of his well being and improvement. Like reading is for me, If I'm going to India I'm damn well taking my e reader.

[–]Belerion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just pick up big rocks and throw them.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You could also consider bringing a TRX, you can set it up anywhere and the military ones condense into a package smaller than a football. It was designed for austere environments where you can't get to a gym, yet want a decent full body workout. It worked well enough when I was in Afghanistan.

[–]GabeTheImpaler 6 points6 points [recovered]

Dude, get ready to lose ALL DEM GAINZ So much of India is vegetarian, so there is no way on earth you are going to be able to keep that protein intake up unless you strap yourself with whey juggs. That and you are one hundred percent going to get some sort of indigestion at some point, simply because you are not going to have the gut flora to protect you as well as the antibodies needed to fight off the generic microbiota of the region.

Whenever you go to countries that are underdeveloped for the most part, you are going to have to deal with losing gains.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In every region you can find abundant restaurants that serve you meat. For example, Chennai has a lot of vegetarians, but on every street there will be a good chettinad or fish fry place, and those will actually be the safest options for minimizing bacteria. India is really not that vegetarian at all.

[–]DaphneDK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In Goa I passed a small open gym on my motorbike. Inside a white dude with mustache and mirror glasses doing bench presses. He looked like a story. I wish I had stopped to check it out.

Anyway, there's not really much hippie stuff there anymore. Not even techno rave parties. If anything, it's Russian and Brit package holidays.

[–]CockBruises 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hypothetically of course, but if I wanted to spend some time in a place like old-Goa with a hippy contingent, where would I go?

[–]chancethebanker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

From what I remember some of my Indian friends telling me gyms are quite expensive over there and are seen as a status symbol to be a part of one.

[–]brownishRed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude its India not the north pole, there are plenty of gyms

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 2 points3 points  (4 children)

/u/nyrp how did you deal with the language barrier? Hindi, Urdu and whatever else they have going on there?

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I learned a smattering of Hindi from a teach-yourself book. Enough to buy stuff and even have a basic conversation.

Otherwise, no small amount of people will speak a bit of English thanks to the British influence.

And of course, trying to communicate with people through sign-language and pointing and gestures is part of challenging your mental boundaries!!!

[–]skinnysandvs 3 points4 points  (3 children)

When I was in Tamil Nadu, a man got beheaded on the street for looking at another guy's girlfriend. Wouldn't you like to tell a story like that?

Actually I would prefer not to tell a story like that

In all seriousness this does sound like a good idea for someone who has nothing going on in their life and needs to do something

[–]doobyrocks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As an Indian, I can almost guarantee it would have been a lot more than "looking", more like harassing and likely for an extended time.

Indians are rather peaceful in general. We are loud, but peaceful.

[–]brownishRed 1 point2 points  (1 child)

When I was in Tamil Nadu, a man got beheaded on the street for looking at another guy's girlfriend. Wouldn't you like to tell a story like that?

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not

[–]LeDispute 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The challenge aspect really appeals to me. I'm graduating college in May and I'm really considering doing this before I commit to a full time job.

Although the only off putting thing to me is the whole beheading thing. Can I be beheaded? Because Id rather not.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It was a domestic dispute. You'll be fine. Maybe I shouldn't have included that example because the truth is I felt very safe in India.

[–]LeDispute 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks OP. I think it was a good example. It REALLY peaked my interest. I was also on mobile and couldn't read all of the comments to see you had answered another person with the same question. Thanks for replying!

[–]Smekiz 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I just realized i could have traveled around the world several times for the amount of money burnt on drinking and partying the last two years. Yikes.

Good post.

[–]Black-Pill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A great tip for traveling in India in regard to the food/stomach issue is to bring a big bottle of "grapefruit extract capsules". They are cheap and available at any health food store. Take 4-6 before EVERY meal and there won't be those stomach issues.

[–]lone_wanderer101 5 points5 points [recovered]

Uh I live in India and nowadays its definitely more expensive to live here than $300/mo. I mean unless you want to live in a really shitty hotel in the middle of nowhere, 300 isn't gonna cut it. Especially in the big cities like Bangalore, New Delhi. If you can accept living in mediocre hotels etc, I would recommend at least $1000 a month. Can ask questions in the comments. Honestly I don't understand why anyone would want to come here..

[–]Hamilton950B 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can't upvote this enough. When I was young I traveled a lot, have been to about 80 countries. Nowhere was as grueling or as rewarding as India. It really does help clarify what you value in life. I lost 10 kilos and was in my best shape ever. Played snooker with Bollywood stars at the Maharaja of Mysore's summer palace. Lived for $5 a day in my own beach bungalow in Kerala, complete with housekeeper and cook. Fought off monkeys on a Kanpur rooftop. Life and death are close up and in your face in India.

[–]ml32 3 points3 points [recovered]

Hey OP can you do a basic outline of how to find the cheapest cities, or it it just get your arse there and go wherever?

Any other country suggestions that are as cheap either?

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Just get your ass over there.

I think no other country has as good a cheapness to excitement ratio.

[–]ObsceneInnocence 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Would knowing only English jeopardize any aspect of this or does it not matter?

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

You'll be fine. Luckily India still has English as a 2nd language. So you're actually better off than knowing an Indian language. With the Indian language, you can get by in one region well, but it doesn't help in another.

If you speak English, you will find Indians who speak basic English everywhere.

Go learn 100 words of Hindi so you can buy stuff and learn to say:

  • I need…

  • Do you have…

  • Go away…

  • Yes, no, thank you, I don't know, hello, goodbye…

  • Count to 100

  • Up, down, left, right, forward, back,

  • Where is…?

  • Do you speak English?

  • What time is…?

  • Use your numbers to tell time.

There, that's it. If you can spend a couple afternoons learning that shit, you are better than 80% of tourists.

[–]brownishRed 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Go learn 100 words of Hindi so you can buy stuff and learn to say:

  • I need…

Mughe chaiye

  • Do you have…

Kya aap ke paas hai ...

  • Go away…

Door ho jao

  • Yes, no, thank you, I don't know, hello, goodbye…

Han, naa, shukriya, mughe nhi pta, hello, bye

  • Count to 100 ek do teen char panch ...

  • Up, down, left, right, forward, back,

Upar, niche, bain, dain, aage, peeche

  • Where is…?

Kahan hai

  • Do you speak English?

Kya aap English bolte ho?

  • What time is…?

Time kya hai?

  • Use your numbers to tell time.

There, that's it. If you can spend a couple afternoons learning that shit, you are better than 80% of tourists.


[–]kk173 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not 'Mughe' but 'Mujhe'. Pronounced as MOOJHAY.

So 'I need' will be 'Mujhe chahiye'

[–]kfpswf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hindi will help only if you're traveling in North and Central India. India has more languages spoken across its various states than the whole of Europe maybe. Hindi is useless in the Southern states.

To anyone reading this and feeling discouraged, I'm an Indian living in a southern state and even I would have as much a tough time in another southern state as you would. But it's OK, in India you'll probably find at least one guy who speaks English within a stone's throw.

[–]Throway99038 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Actually English is the language of the judiciary. All the legal documents in India, including the constitution is written in English. It is taught extensively to school children. Indians are probably the most adapt to speaking english in the non-english speaking world. Not knowing any other language then english is not a big issue for travellers, but yeah learn a few words in Hindi it will definitely help.

[–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmmm....must depend on your original country I guess.

Taking 3 months off in Canada is basically guaranteeing yourself to wind up on welfare. Employers are very picky - they tend to hire only from being who are already working or if you have established very warm contacts with them. I thnk its one of the reasons why our unemployment is so high

Looking for work when you dont have a job = good luck.

[–]IlllllI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a really greatly written grouping of thoughts. I think it's most interesting to me because India would be absolutely last on my travel plans, but it sounds raw and frightening and beautiful. I'm sold.

[–]Repentent_sinner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you do go to India, avoid the cities. There is nothing worth seeing there.

India is worthwhile for its scenery and its fantastic hindu, buddhist and jain temples. Research these famous temples and hill stations, waterfalls, forests, deserts and ofcourse scenic spots in the himalayas before you go.

I highly recommend meditating at the Ramana Maharishi's ashram. You will come to know what stilling the mind is, in the strange vibration of that place.

[–]Fryguy48 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If i went for a month would that be worth it? And if i had to go by myself, or would you recommend a friend?

[–]wordswithmagic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indian here.

Pretty amusing to read.. Any idea where should I visit to radicalize and purify my thinking process?

[–]Sokolov1 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I can highly advice this. India is like a new reality waiting to be explored. Yes, it's the Meccah of college-educated early 20 students but fuck it, like stated, it's a cliché because its true

One piece of advice though, girls ain't exactly the easiest in India. Go for Thailand if that's your thing. I tried seducing this girl in India and got cockblocked left and right by her family, friends and whoever the fuck didn't want to see some western dude picking up their 'pure' Indian girls. Still banged her though, cash money.

[–]steelerfaninperu 3 points4 points  (3 children)

South America is even better. All the fun, and less stinky.

In Peru I automatically became way more attractive to people simply because of being white and tall. That led to me learning the ways of the Alpha simply because I was de-facto alpha in the eyes of women here. Now I have the confidence to approach anyone.

Basically, going to the third world is like playing ball in AAA instead of the majors. You can work your way up from there.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I agree with the idea but i wouldnt pick India, its a shithole, litteraly.

[–]synthrockftw 2 points2 points [recovered]

I also want people to know that eastern Europe is Fan-Fucking-Tastic to vacation. In Romania, that dollar goes far and the women are just absolutely stunning. Roosh V had the right idea that American women are just somtimes...just full of themselves and not full of life, as all humans should be.

Just getting a break from American society, American pickup / dating, and immerse yourself into a different culture is just mind blowing.

And need I say when you get off the plane, and walk around for the first few hours, that utter sense of 'out of the American norm' feeling hits you hard, literally culture 'shock'.

[–]ImperialRedCoder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Romanian born and raised here. Please don't get the feeling that you'll get a lot of "bang for your buck" in Romania, cause you won't. Even though there are cheap things here (like the internet connection - how does 1gbps for ~$15 sound to you?; taxi fares - $5-7 will get you anywhere in any big city), our society is pretty westernised.

Yeah, there is such a thing as the poor part of society, yes, there are gypsies that will beg for money in the tourist areas, but that's just noise. The middle-class romanian is exactly as your average european.

Now, to give you an idea of how you should value your buck if you ever find yourself in Romania. The average night in a hotel in any big romanian city will cost you somewhere in the $50-$70 range, no exceptions; the most expensive will probably be around $300. Average meal in the average restaurant will set you back $15-$40, depending on how fancy your meal is (beef will be the most freaking expensive thing - think at least $20 for a steak).

As nightlife goes, clubs are somewhat expensive, but cheaper than your average west-european counterpart: a beer in your average pub/club will be in the $2.5-$4 range, spirits start at around $5 mark; in the high-end clubs, multiply that for at least 1.5

The girls: most of them are "special snowflakes" and they whore around and ride the CC as you would expect in any westernised society. You can easily see the gold-diggers in the high-end clubs having boobjobs and all kinds of plastic surgery. As a foreigner you will have the upper hand, but beware, they'll see you for nothing more than the possibility of you being their beloved BB.

FYI, you will be safe here (avoid wandering alone through gypsy neighbourhoods at night).

[–]ThreeEyez 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Awesome post. I'm almost done with college. Im 21. Idk wtf I'm doing with my life. I have $1000 saved up right now. This post has inspired me. I'm gonna save up another $1000 or more and just go, by myself. All my friends wouldn't do the shit they "have other stuff to worry about". So fuck it, if you want something done just do it yourself!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As an Indian living in Mumbai, my request to you - Don't come here, install Tinder and right swipe all the fatties. You are going to increase the price of already pricey pussy.

Instead go out to a bar and pick a 6+/10. I have met so many fatties who wouldn't stop bragging about Hot white guys they fucked through Tinder.

[–]tyson2444 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've always hated traveling, but my parents made me do it. Have been to Paris, Strasbourg, Lewisham, all over Mauritius, and even Struttgard, but India actually sounds nice. The reason I disliked travel was mostly because I didn't get to engage the environment and open dialogue with it so-to-speak. It was like being in the U.S. But with a language barrier, looking forward to going to India because the culture isn't really similar to any I'm familiar with. (Despite being half indian)

[–]Niannure 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Lewisham as in south east London?

[–]dancing_junkie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did a study abroad for 3 and a half months in southern India. That country is to insane not to come back with great perspective.

[–]NevrEndr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also: Thailand. If you do the prerequisite courses you can get a job teaching English in the country and live like a fucking king. Lots of Brits and Aussies do this as well as Americans. Bangkok is nuts. The scuba is phenomenal, beautiful scenery, and everything is cheap as hell.

[–]Ouma_Shu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm actually am planning to travel next summer since my father is a big believer of pretty much what you said (he served in Navy in Korea for mandatory service and has done his fair share of travelling and so wants me to as well). I'm planning for two to three months of travelling and have contemplated on what parts of Asia I should hit during my second month of travels. You have now convinced me to think of going to India. If I only have two to three weeks to stay there, where are places I most definitely should go?

[–]m0nkseal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

$2000 may be enough but do not expect to live in the same standards you do back home.

[–]demoneyes905 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"You can't find porn in India"

Yes you can. They are called blue films and they are pretty common although they are reaaaally shitty in quality.

As for the other points, they are pretty valid. Do visit Rajastan in North India and visit South Indian cities and rural areas as they are quite stunning.

Source: Indian.

[–]1nzgs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Travelling across Europe is just as cheap and far more culturally beneficial. Everything to be learned about India can be learned in one day walking through the disgusting shithole that is Calcutta. Not only that but despite the hippy delusions about India, it is an extremely dangerous country for western solo travellers.

[–]cock_pussy_up 1 point2 points  (0 children)

India seems to be the place that tends to shock visitors more than most other places.

That said, traveling anywhere will give you more experience. India isn't the only cheap or different place. You can go to Latin America, Africa, SE Asia, etc. It will all be interesting.

Also you will tend to get more attention from the ladies in foreign places than you do at home, either because they think you're a rich tourist foreigner (in poorer countries), because they see you as an exotic interesting foreigner (in richer countries like EU and Japan), or a combination of both.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd rather backpack across Europe, staying at campsites. 3 weeks in Europe would be better than 3 months in India in my opinion.

Go to Europe, see where western civilization really sprang to life, and witness its current spiral into oblivion. Bang some beautiful European chicks instead of sitting in a dung pile with billions of people for 3 months.

[–]rembilo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are more than a billion of us there. Imagine 3 times the population of the US crammed into 1/3 the space. You don't get anywhere without having to push people out of the way and deal with those trying to do the same to you. Plus, the economy is growing like few others are in the world and it is a mad scramble for opportunities. I could go on and on but let's just say it is an experience that prepares you for the rest of the world like little else.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was in Tamil Nadu, a man got beheaded on the street for looking at another guy's girlfriend. Wouldn't you like to tell a story like that?

Indian here. This doesn't really happen.

[–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man speaks truth. I feel down a hole in my first night in Mumbai. That's a story to tell...

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post is hilarious! I'm Indian and my friends and I joke about how if a white person mentions that they "lived in India", they automatically are thought of as being interesting and spiritual. It's a glitch in the matrix. You can be boring as fuck but if you claim to have spent time in India, other white people attach a certain mystique to you.

[–]violentcatdeath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel debilitated, I want to upvote you into the middle of next week.

[–]kvenaik696969 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I was in Tamil Nadu, a man got beheaded on the street for looking at another guy's girlfriend.

Yeah. /r/thatHappened

Tamil Nadu is one of the most forward thinking places in the country. More than 97% of my friend circle is from Chennai and I've lived there almost half my life. Pretty sure this is a thing that will NEVER happen.

It's India. It's another country. Please don't act like we're the most uncivilized people on the planet !

[–]TekkomanKingz 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Don't forget to mention that Americans are required to have a Visa before entering India even on a quick one week tourist trip. It took my supervisor at a previous company 6 months to get authorized for a one week business trip there with the Indian embassy. Perhaps if you go it alone it could be quicker but no less than 3 months. Plan accordingly.

[–]ihatechildrn 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not true, you get visas on arrival since Oct 14

[–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good they finally changed that dumb shit.

I hate children as well.

[–]sweetleef 3 points4 points  (3 children)

You're right that India will shock the senses and take one out of their comfort zone. But don't gloss over the fact that it is truly disgusting, at a level of filth and savagery worse than you could imagine. I wouldn't recommend India, not because it doesn't offer challenges, but because those challenges don't compensate for the horror of actually being there.

That kind of thing isn't for everybody. Issuing grand absolutes and calling people sissies because they don't see the same value in being covered in shit and leprous beggars as you do is more than a bit juvenile.

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[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 61 points62 points  (7 children)

I literally just found a round-trip flight from NYC to Mumbai in two weeks for $816 in about 15 seconds.

EDIT: Pro-tip. Always try to book flights on a Wednesday when possible. Cheapest day of the week. Can be up to 70% less than other days of the week.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Why the hell was that down voted?

I'm telling you, you can get a ticket from anywhere in the U.S. for $1000. Maybe $1200 if you get unlucky. From Europe, it should be under $1000. When I flew, my ticket was $500 from Europe and I spent $1000 in India in 4 months, so the whole adventure cost $1500 for 4 months.

I take international flights 6-8 times/year. I know what I'm talking about.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Also, 2 months of lost income from not working

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

The India advice is for losers whose life is not going anywhere. Fuck the nowhere-going that your next 2 months is already destined to bring.

Better to lose income than your entire life.

There's a lot of hamstering possible of why NOT to make a radical move.

But I've had a few radical moves like this in my life and they always turned out positive, though a sacrifice was required.

I work in film, and in my story, in a remote village in the Indian Himalayas, I met a guy who gave me the job that jump-started my career.

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