Red Pill ExampleBitch admits paternity fraud. Dude sticks to his guns, saving his life and future. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet

You need a good Red Pill example from time to time to lift your spirits. Here's your dose for the day.


The highlight reel

We're both in our 30's and have just moved to a whole new city across the country a few months ago as I had been offered a much better paying job in an area that has generally lower living costs as well as it being a nice area to raise a child.

So this guy is a hard working STEM fella with fatherhood on his mind. Can't blame him. He's been sold the illusion that he can have a family and kids of his own.

she told me that while I was working hell week at the lab she met a guy during a night out with some work friends and one thing led to another and they ended up sleeping together.

But the woman can't handle being without attention for extended periods, so she seeks solace in strange dick. Never underestimate the importance of laying good pipe in your woman.

They want to be treated as sex objects, no matter how much their posters and burnt bras might suggest otherwise.

This carried on for a week or two supposedly because I was always working and not spending enough time with her (I worked 14 hour days during that time and just wanted to come home and sit.

Two weeks...

She mentioned how he lied about using a condom by saying he was using ultra thin ones and didn't realise what he did until she felt it.

...and she couldn't even be bothered to look at his dick?

Women will do anything to avoid blame, or to dampen any blame they can't avoid having assigned to them. And they'll use any brain-dead excuse that occurs to them.

Women will always try to squeeze your leniency and sympathy from you to avoid accountability. Never let them get away with this.

I returned home the next morning and demanded we book an appointment for a prenatal paternity test, which she was initially very much against but eventually gave in and agreed. I booked an appointment that morning for the following week and I stayed with my mate until the day. I took the afternoon off work and drove us there in silence, aside from her crying and apologising, got the procedure over with and dropped her back and went back to my mates until results day. [emphasis mine]

Our hero does two things exactly right here: he calls the cavalry (paternity testing), and he distances himself from the bitch so she can't toy with his feelings.

A woman's manipulation can be insidious. She will try to twist your mind slowly, turning her defeat into a slow-won victory by attrition. She'll try to change your feelings, and thereby change your mind. Never let them get away with this.

The "quick update" section at the end is the piece de resistance, so I won't spoil it for you here. Enjoy it.

A corollary to tough love is tough consequences. For too long men have treated women like helpless weaklings in spite of all the turmoil, pain, and damage they can obviously cause as a result of their indiscretions.

Showing too much leniency is dangerous for you as a man, because if you can forgive one transgression, you can be made to forgive ANY transgression.

This is why my previous post about Managing Your Bitches uses a scheme of permanent demotion. Once you show any amount of leniency, all she has to do is figure out how to tug at your sympathy again the next time she fucks up. When that happens, she'll convince you to sell your Dignity As a Man and forgive even the most egregious offenses to your patronage.

Maintaining your integrity is priority one. Never humble yourself before a bitch...because the challenges of the world will never humble themselves before you. If you're not strong and resolute when shit comes looking for you, it will destroy you.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 249 points250 points  (21 children)

Notice the solipsism of the hamster? Even while she is 7 months pregnant with another man's womb turd, it's his fault because he wasn't paying enough attention to her. And by her woman logic, because it was his fault that she ran off and got knocked up by Chad Thundercock, he should pay for his crime of "neglecting her" by raising and paying for Chad Thundercock's Fuck Trophy. The fucking nerve of bitches these days.

As far as shit tests go, I don't know if there is any bigger shit test than "raise this other man's baby that I got knocked up with behind your back while you were working your ass off to provide for my needs."

[–]the_red_scimitar 53 points54 points  (1 child)

Yeah. I think most here still don't understand how diabolically and completely reliable the basic principles of female behavior are, and I think much of these behaviors stem from the solipsism. I see hypergamy, hamstering, and a few other tenants as ultimately being aspects of psychopathy-level solipsism.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is classic hypergamy ie AF / BB.

[–]redcrow_ 35 points36 points  (2 children)

As far as shit tests go, I don't know if there is any bigger shit test than "raise this other man's baby that I got knocked up with behind your back while you were working your ass off to provide for my needs."

I think it's more "raise this other man's baby because you were working your ass off to provide for my needs."

Briffault's law and solipsism at work.

[–]RealRational 0 points1 point  (0 children)


comment removed, guess I can't even link to the sidebar. But solipsism isn't in the glossary, so do you just mean the normal "real world" definition of extreme selfishness (as a life philosophy) or is there an RP definition you intended?

[–]fitnesspm 29 points30 points  (3 children)

it's also HIS fault for her opening her legs to another man!

the worst thing about westernised cultural is that women can pull out the 'blame everything on a man' card and our society accepts it!

my ex was physically abusive to me where i took it (blue pill days)! After 2 years i KO the bitch and left when i busted her with another man. I called her a slut and she hit me, my head went back but my arm came up and bang

I'm against violence but when i hear a woman getting beaten by a man i think to myself and wonder how much of a bitch she really is! In every relationship my ex was in, all the men beat her cause from my experience with her, she would always start the physical abuse.

These days, if a woman is tough enough to throw a punch, she is tough enough to take one from me!

[–]1beerthroway 12 points13 points  (1 child)

In every relationship my ex was in, all the men beat her cause from my experience with her, she would always start the physical abuse.

Are you certain that they actually abused her? My ex claims that I abused her physically when in reality she was the one trying to beat me. She did that with a lot of stuff, saying or doing something crazy and then claiming I said or did it. Never underestimate the hamster.

[–]fitnesspm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nah, they didn't abuse her, she mentally and physically abused them! she was a nut case like most westernised women today!

[–]1User-31f64a4e 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here here. I have never started a physical confrontation with anyone. I have ended a few, including with women.

[–][deleted] 9 points9 points

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Because they are "real men" whatever the fuck that means anymore

[–]BowsNToes21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was at my girlfriends friends birthday. It was a group of people and one of their friends late thirties shows up. We start talking he states how he isn't married and with an exclamation says, "Thankfully no kids." I give him a high five and then one of her guy friends chimes in saying, "Well yeah I'm raising kids that my girl brought into the marriage. But you know what they say? It takes a real man to do that!"

Dead silence. Even some of the girls looked away before we quickly changed the topic. This guy was so entrenched in the feminized mindset.

The kicker? Asked my girl later about him and if he ever had kids. Nope. They talked about it and decided not to. Hell she started off as a one night stand. Poor bastard.

[–]d-_-b 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I do have to wonder why she came forward at this juncture.. perhaps it was going to be obvious that it wasn't his, and she figured if she had a few weeks she could convince him to stick around.

What's so motherfucking insane is her family acting like leaving her isn't the automatic thing to do.

Can you believe there are people who would say that he should stay with her? It's mind-boggling.

He REALLY needs to be careful she doesn't put his name down as the father, even with a paternity test and all this shit, some woman judge could fuck his life over because nobody wants to shit some cum into her womb either.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Never underestimate how underhanded the government will be to ensure that the government doesn't have to support this baby. Government is perfectly fine with bastard children being financed by cuckolded men if that is the only option.

[–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

raise this other man's baby that I got knocked up with behind your back while you were working your ass off to provide for my needs."

Can that even be a shit test? She's basically punching you in the nuts by simply requesting that foolishness. Every time she asked for forgiveness or for me to reconsider, all I would hear is "please hit me. Pleeease!! I beg of you! Punch me in the face!!"

I would have had to keep my distance from her too.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's pathetic, but you can't blame her for trying.. She's looking at basically being a single mom with a newborn (also known as date repellant), other guy probably had no money, possibly looking at poverty.

Can't blame her for trying. Just funny that she failed

[–]the_optiomal -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I understand everything you say, and you are right. But at least she told him

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Trust me, it wasn't crushing guilt or a sense of faithfulness that made her tell him. If she was truly feeling guilty, it wouldn't have taken her 7 months into gestation to come clean about it. My money is on something more sinister, as in, she knew that once the baby came out, it would look nothing like the "father" (i.e., fucked a black guy), or that the guy, being STEM, would DNA test the kid after birth.

[–]cptspiffy 2 points2 points [recovered]

Trust me, it wasn't crushing guilt or a sense of faithfulness that made her tell him. If she was truly feeling guilty, it wouldn't have taken her 7 months into gestation to come clean about it. My money is on something more sinister, as in, she knew that once the baby came out, it would look nothing like the "father" (i.e., fucked a black guy), or that the guy, being STEM, would DNA test the kid after birth.

I dunno, I would expect the hamster to just assume that it would all work out, at least until she had that name on the birth certificate. Even if Chad is not of the same race as OP, there's a chance the kid would still come out with the same skin tone as OP.

I'm not defending this cunt, but I do think that her revealing this to OP at 7 months represents a possible problem with either:

  1. AWALT
  2. The hamster/magical thinking model of female behavior.

The only thing I can come up with is the "all bets are off" philosophy that I've seen some TRPers espouse when a female is pregnant.

[–]2johnnight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The 7 months aren't proof of anything. Everybody would put off their own execution. She knows she fucked up her life and confronting that reality is painful. Hence, procrastination.

What I find interesting here is that she does not seem to be more manipulative than any other woman. If that was the case, she would have cuckolded him on purpose and in secret. But the conscience (or the knowledge that the baby is genetically too different from the father) seems to have eaten away at her.

No, what I fear is going on here is that her biological firmware has taken over and has run the AF/BB cuckolding programme: "secure a provider, get bored, get pregnant by better seed". In this mode the best person in the world will fuck up and run this programme and will be sorry for it. How else do you use condoms with your boyfriend and have sex without condoms for two weeks with somebody else? What would an adult who is over 30 expect to happen? Everything she did is totally irrational.

It's like we are dealing with cuddly kittens, who once in a while will bite you, because that is their nature, but will be really sorry afterwards.

Rationally, this guy did what was in his best interest. Even the last beta has a breaking point, where the guilting, emotional manipulation and tears stop working.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah bro. If the couple is white and the kid is black or the other way around, then there is no chance she could hide that for long. Maybe 2 months tops.

She confessed when she did because it took that long for it to dawn on her. She needed to make a move BEFORE the baby was born so that it would look as though she was confessing merely because she was caught.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 78 points79 points  (1 child)

Buy the man a beer for handling it right.

[–]Bearhardy 37 points38 points  (0 children)

He handle it like a man, he cried in the field alone like a man not for her but for his future life and all he put into making it the best for her and "his" child all lost in a matter of seconds, we live and learn, hope that guy finds trp and can learn even more without going trought something like this again.

[–][deleted] 135 points136 points  (11 children)

I had a few calls from her family asking me if I was out of my fucking mind and etc...

How DARE you treat my daughter like an adult?! How could you react in such a reasonable way?!/s

[–]Strangeclouds420 65 points66 points  (5 children)

You better believe her family hasn't heard the whole story yet. I'm sure she's only given them the half-truth of him breaking up with her and kicking her out. If I was him I'd pick up the phone and tell them the whole story.

[–]HermesHermeneus 53 points54 points  (3 children)

Exactly what I was thinking.

"He just threw me out after we had a fight!"

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Yeah... I bet family doesn't know it's not his kid yet. They might not ever know.

[–]DoubleA12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe if the other guy was the opposite race or something. We can only hope for that level of justice.

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh no. They'll know once its born.

"Um... Rebecca.... Why did Johnathan leave you again?"

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't even bet on that.

I remember reading a story on the online presence of a reasonably well-respected newspaper here (well, the online part considerably shittier, so there's that), where the writer of the article tells about how she went on a mountaineering trip with a friend of hers and ends up sleeping with him (because "one thing led to another"). Her BF or fiancé at the time, who was completely in love with her, breaks up on the spot out of disappointment. The idea behind that garbage article was how exclusive relationships are possessive and how awesome open relationships are; but what I personally considered interesting how her father enabled the bitch - after she was heartbroken because of the breakup, he told her "if he couldn't have lived with that (i.e. her cheating on him without ever having had an arrangement in that regard), he wasn't worth it anyway".

So yeah, I actually can imagine that some parents will even expect others to accept being cuckolded and paternity frauded because loveTM has to conquer everything.

[–]1cover20 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Tell the family that baby is their problem. It's got their genes not his. Done.

[–]reddumpling 79 points80 points  (0 children)

The nerve of her family. Should it happen in an Asian family they would not even have enough time to hide their shame.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

And I assume that's the problem right there, the kids being as fucked up/retarded/stupid as their parents?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I would be pretty interested by what the family wanted to say.

Angry mothers are dangerous

[–]SupALupRT 50 points51 points  (1 child)

"(Trains don't go to Whoresville)" Looooooooooooool

[–]1oldredder 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Whoreton Heard a Whothefuckdidsheblowlastnight

[–]PowerLevelOver420 48 points49 points  (12 children)

The scariest thing is that if she hadn't had an attack of conscience seven months into the pregnancy, this guy would be on the hook for this child for life. If there are any suspicious circumstances concerning the conception of your child, always get a paternity test. I personally would always get one anyway but things like never having had unprotected sex have to get the alarm bells ringing in your head.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 48 points49 points  (5 children)

You're assuming that she didn't realize that she couldn't pass the baby off as his. Like they're both white and Chad Thundercock was as black as the ace of spades. Ain't no amount of bullshit can cover up a difference of appearance like that.

She was hoping trickle truth would manipulate the guy into caring for the bastard child of her and Chad.

[–]1oldredder 21 points22 points  (2 children)

See, it's like this sweetie. I traced your geneology back 5 generations and it turns out your great-great-great-great grandmother was actually African. So it's like this then... blah-blah-dee-blah-hamster-blah your baby is black as midnight and that's genetics for ya.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is a very good point - perhaps the only plausible explanation for why she fessed up when she did. She knew she would have to eventually, but wanted to leave it as long as possible to get him "committed" to the baby (e.g. designing the bedroom, announcing to family etc).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She probably heard him talk so much about how excited he was for the baby, watching him change emotionally towards the baby through the months. She then thought it was the right time to drop the bomb on him thinking she could sucker him.

[–]Azzmo 8 points9 points  (2 children)

If there are any suspicious circumstances concerning the conception of your child, always get a paternity test.

$100-$1000 per kid and you'll know. The concept of taking care of a kid in this day and age that hasn't been tested is absolutely alien to me. We have the stats on this now and it's not pretty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When is it safe to get a test done? I'm guessing from this story that you can do it after some number of months of pregnancy(?).

Obviously you wouldn't want to get a test done after signing a birth certificate!

[–]Azzmo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some good info here.

1.) The answer to your question: it's safe and it's usually done via blood test that is ostensibly 99.9% accurate. Must wait until the pregnancy is over 2 months. The pertinent information is just under halfway down the page if you want to read about the three different methods.

2.) "most states have laws that require an Acknowledgment of Paternity form to be completed at the hospital to legally establish who the father is. After the AOP is signed, couples have a limited amount of time, depending on the state, to request DNA paternity test and amend the AOP."

Nice little tidbit that indicates that you can potentially amend the form even after signing it

[–]hamsterbator 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Thankfully the hamster sometimes backfires. He wasn't the beta she had pegged him out to be.

[–]CrimsonDeep 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The best part, she's living on minimum wage with a useless art degree.

Hahahaha, what a cunt. Karma is a Butch. Because a bitch wouldn't hit back this hard.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paternity tests should be mandatory at birth, no questions asked.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 66 points67 points  (3 children)

She didn't cheat on him because he was "neglecting" her, she cheated on him because he's gotta work long hours to bring home the bacon. She doesn't give a rat's ass if you're slaving away to take care of the family (her and any children). She simply doesn't give a damn. She's concerned primarily with her own needs, and it seems like his genes weren't good enough to satisfy her primal desires.

A woman will cheat on you or contemplate it very deeply if she has slotted you in as a provider. All that needs to happen is the right spark.

[–]the_red_scimitar 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That's right. Remember, it's all about the tingles. If you're not actively providing them, she's going to find them elsewhere. Few of them seem able to survive without it. Attention whoring is just the tip of that iceberg.

[–]Newdist2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She didn't cheat on him because he was "neglecting" her, she cheated on him because he's gotta work long hours to bring home the bacon.

Somehow I think that even working 14 hour days, he would have found 20 minutes to fuck her if she got on his dick.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She might not have even wanted to. Just hypothetically, he could be viewed strictly as the "provider" almost like how a woman views her beta orbiters. She keeps them around for a purpose, and it's not sexual.

Of course they would have had sex occasionally, but only as a means for her to keep him interested. He probably even had to wine and dine her first each time!

[–]OlBastard 26 points27 points  (10 children)

This is why you don't LTR a girl who 'enjoys going out with friends'.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Eh, I'm okay if whoever I'm with is going out with their friends once in a while for drinks or something. But if they're hitting the club dressed to the 9's it's clear as day that it's time to move on.

Also, what it really comes down to is her personality. IDK about anyone else in this sub, but I feel like I have a 6th sense for detecting bullshit in other people; I can just see it in their eyes and hear it in their voice.

You know those people who are always playing the victim card? Who are always right and can never admit to their faults? Those people who waste their time obsessing over materialistic bullshit and bad television? They usually don't make great long-term partners.

Also, always remember to keep your girlfriend/wife satisfied in the bedroom and you won't have to worry about this. OP clearly had more important things to focus on during this time in his life for the future of his family, but if anything his wife failed this test and it was revealed that she actually is not wife-material.

[–]OlBastard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agree 100%.

The validation-seeking behavior usually permeates to other aspects of her life and results in a general nuisance to be around.

[–]ucfgavin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm ok with it...I enjoy going out with my friends. There is a line though, and if its crossed, then bye.

[–]Aeon-ChuX 58 points59 points  (12 children)

What happens at the end:

Well we got the results back today and guess what! It turns out I am .... not the father of that little sprog, I drove us home and demanded she get out and start packing because I wanted her out before I got back from work/picking my stuff up from my friends. She was hysterical and saying how I couldn't just leave her alone and homeless while she was so close to the due date and so far away from home and that she really loved me and wanted me to raise this bastard child with her because it's the only way it'll have a decent life (she's an arts graduate and was working a minimum wage job before the move/pregnancy). I never made it into work, I drove into a field, rang my boss to tell him what happened and he told me to take as much time as I needed and he'd have a PhD student cover my work. I stayed there for hours just laying in the seat and cried at how everything has fallen apart. I had just gotten my life in order, everything was stable and ready to go for the baby. We even finished designing the babies room. I switched my phone back on and saw I had several missed calls and voicemails, a few from her, some from her family and a couple from my mate telling me to come to his as soon as I could. I rung my mate up, filled him in and went over to his. And that's what's happened so far, I haven't gone back to house yet, I just can't bring myself to go back there knowing that all the plans I had for it are dead. I have no idea what to do anymore. What should I do, Reddit? I apologise in advance if my rambling wall of text is difficult to read, I just wanted to get it all out and have been typing on my tablet. TL;DR Girlfriend cheated on me and lied about it being my baby so I threw her sandwich in the bin and kicked her out

Funny bit in his update, he says he told her "fuck you Jenny, go back to Zach" But he actually didn't.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet[S] 50 points51 points  (2 children)

The best part is the very end, when he literally buys the bitch a bus ticket out of his life.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

This guy sounds like he was earning big bucks, it's funny that he buys her a bus (hopefully greyhound) ticket. How humiliating.

For those who have never ridden a greyhound. It's an awful experience. Took one across the country to visit a friend last summer and they're always loaded with all sorts of fuck up weirdos.

Looks like this woman will be getting a taste of her future to come. If she was just a good person and faithful to her partner, she could have a great life.. Vacations, don't have to worry about bills, a lovely family, going out to eat at nice restaurants etc..

NOPE. Have fun raising a bastard child on minimum wage in public housing and having to budget for store brand mac n cheese instead of kraft honey! All because you couldn't keep your legs closed too. What a shame..

[–]puppet22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Learned about the Greyhound the hard way. Was a tourist traveling from NYC to DC. Needless to say a meth junkie had s paranoid episode making everyone very nervous. This was just after that kid got beheaded in the bus in Canada.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (7 children)

He was referring to another popular series of "relationship" post about a guy who had a detective following his gf "jenny" who were meeting up with "zach".

[–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Oh yeah, what every happened with that? Did it end?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 19 points20 points  (4 children)

General consensus is that it was trolling.

[–]abcd_z 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Just before it was deleted he added an edit saying that anybody who was interested in turning it into a movie should contact him.

So not trolling exactly, but not exactly trustworthy either.

[–]I-Am-Dickish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that he is referencing that after claiming someone suggested he post it. Yeah. Probably fake.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (10 children)

She was basically trying to make her beta provider raise a child from another man who she thought had superior genes and thought she could get away with it, in simple terms, right? Ain't no better way to choke the redpill even further down than to try and contribute to discussions and learn from the mistakes.

[–]1cover20 17 points18 points  (9 children)

Women are so stupid in what they consider superior genes. This guy had the strength to get thru school and have an apartment all paid off and a great job. The other stud was some loser without an income.

And when it came to real brass tacks, she found another indication of her original guy's strength. He threw her out. So stupid she was. That was the genetics she denied her offspring, in favor of a hot guy.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe not even that hot - if she was bored, needed validation, was at the right time of the month, if she was drunk, etc.

I fully blame her, I don't think the other guy was necessarily even that alpha.

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Income has little to do with genetics. That's a pretty hefty rationalisation. This guy is a worker bee and nothing more, I hope this affair teaches him to pay as much attention to his smv as to his work so that women desire him and not his wallet.

[–]random_reddit_accoun 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Income has little to do with genetics.

Income is highly correlated with IQ.


IQ is highly correlated with genes.


[–]1nzgs[🍰] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

They are not "highly" correlated. They are loosely correlated and if you link two loose correlations you have an even looser correlation. You're doing a kind of male hamstering; trying to change reality to fit your idealism. Women are good at seeing a man's genetics, better than men are. They will see things that you can't; where you see a hard-working educated man, they will see low testosterone, impotent, poor facial structure, meek personality. Where you see a broke loser, they will see a risk-taker, extrovert, social leader, virile, strong personality.

I read a lot of "Leykis types" on here, financially-secure worker bees who can't give a woman a single tingle and don't understand that it doesn't matter how hard he works or how much he provides, she will yearn for another man who does give her the tingles. It's all about the tingles.

This guy in the story is no alpha or high value male. His girlfriend had such little respect for him that she tried to cuckold him. If he doesn't raise his SMV then this pattern will repeat itself as woman after woman manipulates him emotionally to access his wallet.

[–]random_reddit_accoun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are not "highly" correlated.

Sure they are. Correlation coefficients are between .7 and .8 for both. That's highly correlated.

This is very simple data, and a very simple data analysis. You are the one doing mental gymnastics to try to avoid reality.

[–]jobs33ker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The male hamster is strong with you.

[–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good points. Why does she even pursue the other guy as a source of better genes?

[–]the_red_scimitar 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Men, remember this. There is literally no depth too deep for the hamster to dive. In the effort to escape responsibility, they can and will find "reason" after "reason" for why it is anybody's fault but their own. If you corner them enough, they'll tell you they've "taken responsibility" for it, which somehow is supposed to deflect consequences.

I always find when a person seems to have too many ready "reasons" like this, that they are always lying about ALL the reasons (although fractional truths are represented as THE truth).

So, when you find yourself mouth agape and mind spinning from the solipsism and hamstering, when your brain is repeatedly face-palming (brain-palming?) itself over the chain of "logic" she uses, remember this, and that "responsibility" is not something she actually understands like you do.

The answer is frame. All of this is a sort of shit-test to see if you'll buy it. Know you are right, and don't feed the hamster.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 14 points15 points  (4 children)

In any relationship particularly one where you are looking to produce offspring make sure that the woman knows you can and will insist on a paternity test for every child you two make.

She has biology on her side. She will always know it's her kid. You do not have that luxury unless you're a noble/royal of old and have your woman under armed guard and under lock and key and even then... Good thing we have science on our side it's time to start using it.

[–]2popthatpill 7 points8 points  (1 child)

make sure that the woman knows you can and will insist on a paternity test for every child you two make.

You don't even have to call it a paternity test. Just get tested by 23andMe and show your woman how the Relative Finder feature works ("look at all my distant cousins!"). Then tell her that when you have a kid, you're going to get it tested at 23andMe (errr, for the DNA health results).

She'll get the hint.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

As a man you control your frame.

If you set the expectation that offspring will be DNA tested and you hold your frame in all other aspects then she will have no reason to doubt you'd follow through.

Also knowing that DNA tests may reveal affairs she is having can cause her to be more loyal. Even if she is not loyal at the very least it will give her incentive to maintain her contraceptive usage and/or use condoms with Chad Thundercock.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've done this in every relationship. Often I'm asked why I would waste the money on a senseless test.

My response is always, because I can and will

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well women think it's senseless because even though they are women they never go into a relationship expecting to cheat on their man.

As with most relationship problems it is usually the man's fault but not in the way Mainstream Media portrays it... When men get boring, dull, fat and lazy the tingles go away. At that point she's a sitting duck for Chad Thundercock.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Best line of the entire thread IMO was...

I took the advice and after calming down bought her a one way coach ticket back home (Trains don't go to Whoresville)

I'm glad to see there are some guys out there with a spine who won't put up with that kind of nonesense. NOBODY should expect anything different from him, you, anybody!

ALSO, remember that you CAN get paternity tests as early as 9 weeks after conception now with a simple blood draw from the mom. It's simple and pretty cheap.


[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 31 points32 points  (12 children)

Maintaining your integrity is priority one.

This is why even in my old BP days I didn't fare THAT badly. Because although I was party to lots of things that I now know went against me, I wouldn't ever compromise on some things.

A woman's manipulation can be insidious. She will try to twist your mind slowly, turning her defeat into a slow-won victory by attrition. She'll try to change your feelings, and thereby change your mind. Never let them get away with this.

The classic I've experienced is "Well, it's not ALL my fault". Gradually anything you admit to will be twisted and turned around until it's the root cause. They fuck up and they just can't admit that it actually IS all their fault.

It needs inner confidence to say "yeah, I got that wrong." and make amends for it, and take the hits. Confidence most women just don't have.

I wonder how much women are able to actually observe objective reality. Or how much they care. Because it looks to me like it's just a big jumble of lies, half truths and manipulation - all designed to get as much as possible for her.

With my last ex, she would just say the dumbest shit and never back down on it, never admit it was a lie, behave stupidly badly, never apologise. The only time she'd ever crack was when The Fear Of Me Leaving was in her (no dread game, just really fucked off with her)

In the end I just did the same thing. Took me years to get there, but I would just make something up and stick to it in the face of anything she said. I'd make up flimsy reasons why she was wrong and stick to my guns. Shout her down. Come up with bullshit counter arguments. Change the subject. Never admit what I just said was complete rubbish - just distract and hurt with new random subjects.

And you know what? It's fucking easy to do. Only took a couple of days to get the hang of it once I'd decided to. I see now why women do it - it's easy. It works. You can just do whatever you want.

The formula is just this: Say shit, attack counter argument, attack the next argument, attack the speaker and then when it goes against you change the subject with something even more emotionally compelling, vicious or mean.

And it's lame, destructive, immoral, counter productive and will alienate you from good people and trusting, loving relationships. But guys... if you get the chance.. I highly recommend you try it for a day.

[–]legauge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's one way of doing it, kind of Machiavellian in nature.

But you have another option, which Bill Burr speaks of, is to stand your ground and let her dig her own grave.

[–]FollowerOfLight 7 points7 points [recovered]

We women do fight dirty. It's pathetic and requires turning off our brains (if we have any) or just letting emotions control our words: the same thing, really. I catch myself doing it, sometimes too late, and generally have to go back and apologize for being irrational. Sometimes my husband catches me doing it and challenges me on it.

It's a way of fighting that's unfortunate. The solution is recognition of the problem by at least one person, as you seem to have. Call women out on it: they /should/ care once they see it in black and white.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 29 points30 points  (3 children)

We women do fight dirty.

Your comment is good so I'll leave it where it is, but mentioning your sex is not pertinent to the discussion.

Don't try to be the girl in the boy's clubhouse. We don't care that you have a vagina.

[–]FollowerOfLight -13 points-13 points [recovered]

My point is that I'm ashamed of my sex: they're that bad. Problem?

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

First, read this.

Women are accustomed to getting attention without having to formulate coherent or insightful thoughts. People just pay attention to them because they're women.

As a result, women rarely have anything useful to contribute in an intellectual marketplace like the internet, where ideas function as currency of merit. Not because women are stupid, but because they haven't had enough practice.

So they say "I'm a girl", and expect to that to compensate for their lack of practiced communication. And that kind of underhanded shit makes a lot of guys sore.

Now, in your case, you actually did have something to add to the discussion. But mentioning that you're a woman does two things:

  1. It stirs up that reflex of resentment that many men have, undermining your point and making you more annoying than persuasive.

  2. The Red Pill is a male space. Every girl wants to be the girl in the male space, especially the ones that hate men having their own spaces. This is how every male space gets destroyed. By women coming in and demanding a fair share of the attention...and then later, a GREATER share of the attention. We're not going to let that happen here.

I didn't put you in time-out because I thought your comment had merit, and because you didn't bring up your vagina maliciously. But we will not allow a trend of "females demanding participation" to undermine the integrity of this place.

Consider this a warning. Do not mention your sex again. Talk with your mouth, not with that hairy fish you're sitting on.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's a way of fighting that's unfortunate. The solution is recognition of the problem by at least one person, as you seem to have. Call women out on it: they /should/ care once they see it in black and white.

"Unfortunate". I like that. It is a way of fighting that is "unfortunate". I agree with what you've said, FollowerOfLight, but to say that a mean, low, illogical, attacking, victimising, relationship-destroying method of arguing is "unfortunate" is the responsibility-free understatement of the year.


I have fought this tooth and nail with every ounce of intelligence, logic, strength and determination that I possess. The most this gets you is a temporary reprieve while she considers how to redouble her efforts in illogic. Talking about things with women, answering all the bullshit - it's like chopping heads off Medusa's snakes or playing whack-a-mole.

I am done with it.

*Women do not respond to it. *Prove her wrong and she hates you. Let her emotional Machiavellian illogic prevail and she hates you. Ignore her and she hates you. Walk away and she hates you but at least respects you. And as it turns out - this also builds resentments further down the line as I found out recently in a torrent of passive aggressive belated vitriol.

First time it happens, I walk and might be persuaded to come back if she's super apologetic. Second time it happens, she will be having long conversations with my answerphone pretending she doesn't know what went wrong between us, that will never be heard by me.

[–]the_red_scimitar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Even the most RP-aware, self-actualizing woman I know falls into that trap, and did so in a big way recently. Sadly, very few even of that ilk actually will recognize it, and if they do, I wouldn't expect apologies. You're in a top percentile if you do.

Personally, I won't fight. If she (and that's the general "she") starts going there, I'm done with the "conversation" (i.e. listening to hamstering), and will let her know it's done.

[–]1cover20 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Screw it. The solution is for you not to do it. And for us to avoid working too hard when you do (hence /u/MattyAnon 's solution, which I too finally tried with my wife) as opposed to refuting each and every random thing, which is doable but takes too much effort and never evokes a lasting shame response anyway.

When you do it, we should make you wish you hadn't. You won't care about logic so something else is called for.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I've had many conversations with women over the years. All of them have amounted to nothing.

The only thing women respond to is you quietly getting up and walking away. That is the only thing I have ever said or done that has registered with a woman.

I will never, ever have that option taken away from me - much less sign on a dotted line under the text "please take all my money from me if I do the one thing that you will respect".

[–]I-Am-Dickish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course it is effective. Women are emotionally based. It's hilarious to me. I've got a wonderful way of conveying emotion when I talk. I can be saying the stupidest shit, but make them still believe it.

Don't try it if there's a guy near. He will bs it in an instant.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I will NEVER raise another mans child

[–]herewegoaga1n 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Eccentric 1950's Announcer Voice: Now, with the miracle of science, you don't have to!!!

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Brought to you by Aperture Inc.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

At least the comment section isn't full of white-knight douchebaggery.

How much do you wanna bet mommy fills that child's head with lies about how daddy abandoned them because he had "jealousy issues" or some truth-twisting bullshit.. The child will probably never know the truth.

"Happy international women's day!" /s

[–]1cover20 21 points22 points  (3 children)

There are a lot of comments telling him not to get a lawyer. Like they don't want him to protect himself legally, at this time when 20 years of CS payments could be on the line. There are some nasty trolls on that sub (this one too.)

It's hard to imagine what this guy went through, and I don't know if I could have handled it as well as he did.

[–]1cover20 20 points21 points  (0 children)

In fact there's further bad advice in the thread, advising him to pay for the baby's prenatal checkups and stuff to get the baby born.

Exactly the stuff that can get parental responsibility put on you, at least under US law. Acting like a parent after you know the kid isn't yours is the worst thing you can do.

The advice is intended to subvert the guy and help the bitch get more money out of him.

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

He was unmarried and didn't sign any birth certificate. In the UK that means she is SOL. Can basically kick her out on the street with no repercussions. No lawyer necessary.

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you say so. I'm in the USA, maybe that's common knowledge in the UK, but law here is never quite so simple. (Did it say he was unmarried actually?) If there's any doubt that is really the law, why not spend $100 on a solicitor to make sure his ass is well covered?

[–]circlhat 26 points27 points  (3 children)

This is the most dangerous belief once you open your eyes and swallow the pill. A women cares nothing about you, even if she is with you. You are just a pitiful means to a end.

Hypergamy at its finest, no matter how much you provide it will never be enough. The insult to injury is the lack of respect you must face. If he works to much its his fault, if he doesn't provide a certain lifestyle for taking time off, its still his fault.

Women only love alpha's , period

[–]the_red_scimitar 34 points35 points  (2 children)

No, women do not love even alpha's with the absoluteness that "period" gives it. They love an alpha exactly as long as she feels tingles from him. When she gets used to him, the tingles fade, and she'll be off branch-swinging. Or, if she just won't do that, you can pretty much expect a dead bedroom. Actually, either way.

[–]Hatorader 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Thank you for saying this, no man is safe, just don't get attached.

[–]the_red_scimitar 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the subreddit gives the impression that by being alpha, all the female behavioral traits of TRP will somehow roll off them. It won't, unless they truly have a DGIF attitude about it, and a lot of people find that too unfulfilling. And it's true that you can have solid frame, amused mastery, treat her like a child, etc., all the advice about how to maintain an RP relationship, and those things done right will keep the tingles rolling, but it isn't going to ever stop shit tests, hamstering, and hypergamy. Those are constants. The most RP-aware and self-actualizing RP woman will always exhibit these traits, even though she may try to suppress them.

The thing is, we should be doing what we're doing to be happy, and the relationship with women is just an aspect of that. I think some guys here are so focused on acting "alpha" that that becomes their game in life, and it's a mis-focused effort. Yes, understand the traits, introspect a bit and determine where your weaknesses are, but that's so you can work on them and change yourself. That's a pretty satisfying game, but when it is aimed entirely at plate spinning and ONSes, it's kind of a self-limiting way to go about it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The law is so fucking warped. We have to PROVE this shit with DNA and whatnot. This is worse than armed robbery, for an armed robber simply takes what valuables and money you have on your person. Even a white collar crime that takes your savings can be replenished. But this kind of malicious scum, takes your income and stays latched onto it, it is the worst kind of parasitic robber on earth. Cuckoldry and access to your money is so much worse a fate than rape could ever hope to be.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We have to PROVE this shit with DNA and whatnot.

Well, isn't it awesome that you can prove this shit with DNA and whatnot?

[–]RedPill808 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I'm reluctant to call bullshit, but one thing does not make sense:

She's 7 months pregnant and she tells him she cheated. Why?

If women are naturally Machiavellian, that's are stupid move.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Your skepticism is not without merit. I also doubted the story at first.

In the end, I went with the simplest explanation: even girls can make mistakes.

The girl was acting harshly towards the OP, and when he asked her about her change in demeanour she lashed out even more. By this time, she was already fucking Mr. Strangedick, so it's possible that the guilt was just eating away at her and, in a lapse of strategic thinking, she decided to come clean.

From the original post:

Anyway, recently she has been very distant and reserved. I just chalked that up to pregnancy hormones but during breakfast she seemed even more distant and quiet than usual so I asked her what was up a few times until she yelled that she doesn't always have to answer me and walked away, right whatever, I was late for work so I went on my way. I got a message around lunch time asking me if I could leave the lab early because there was something very important she wanted to talk about

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I guess as he was exited by the child and making plan for the future she assumed that he would have stayed with her and raised the bastard.

That way she keeps the child, the man and has absolution for what she did. Perfect plan

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe it would have came out half black.

[–]1grendalor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Likely, she's white and the baby daddy is black. So the charade was going to come to an end, and she knew that, and it was tearing her apart realizing that doomsday was coming. She obviously thought the guy would stay with her, from her reaction, and she was wrong about that, but either way, the fact of her cucking him was going to come out. Otherwise she would have stayed quiet, almost certainly. So, from my perspective, it's extremely likely that the baby daddy is black, so she was just running out of time.

[–]1cover20 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Women do have a need to get things off their chests. They are very honest, in a sense, though not very moral.

For example, when asking a girl her N-count, all I hear about are fairly honest responses. And then shaming as to why you're supposed to ignore it perhaps, but still she provides the number, not 1 or 2 but 30 or whatever.

[–]ddundly 8 points9 points  (0 children)

One part really stood out as well, where OP says her family called and left voice mails saying he was out of his mind. Guarantee those were from mom/sister/etc .

[–]redundanteater 9 points9 points [recovered]

I totally would have loved to have commented, but I'm banned from that sub for some reason.

[–]TempusRerumImperator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im also banned from r/relationships. No explanation given of course. Bunch of fascists.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 26 points27 points  (4 children)

The only reason this blue pill man forced her to do a paternity test is because of his laboratory stem background. In his line of work he lab tests stuff and doesnt take peoples word for it. The virtues of scientific skepticism have been drilled into this man in grad school to the point where he was able to overcome his feminine conditioning.

[–]Im_back_faggots 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Yes, only the mighty STEM careers can understand difficult concepts like "paternity testing", these same tests that are on high caliber intellectually rigorous shows such as Jerry Springer and Maury.

But seriously come on man, I think you're underestimating literally everyone in non-STEM fields by a huge margin.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Its not about understanding the test its about FORCING her to take one

[–]1cover20 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Why do you call him blue pill? More like the strong silent type. But when it came to paternity, he was strong when it counted.

Bet this bitch wishes she had not disqualified herself from a life with that strength. Women can be so stupid, and men should be remorseless in clearing them out.

[–]LRW35 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He wasted a perfectly good sub.

[–]Stradivorius 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The guy deserves a fucking parade. This is one of the reasons i´ll stick with plates as soon as i start college . I value my time, money and freedom too much.

[–]TekkomanKingz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Love it....That's how you bust slags UK style!!!!

[–]Locastor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I'm amazed that /r/relationships didn't fuck up with their advice.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

worst part is if he did take care of her and the demon spawn, she would have thought he was a loser for putting up with it. thats right lads, even if he was willing to sacrifice his life to raise that thing, the most noble of endeavours imaginable, she would have thought him a piece of shit. do not stick your dick in crazy. PERIOD

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The best response is: "It was my fault this happened. I should've given you more attention. But all this proves is that I'm not capable of being fully with you and you'll never be truly happy with me so you should find [insert name of father] and stay with him because it looks like you are truly in love and I can't and won't stand between you."

But seriously, why is her family involved? Even if you're not married you should have her sign a few blank statements she consents to a paternity test just in case (fill in the date later).

[–]thetanky 3 points4 points  (34 children)

Stories like this are starting to negatively affect my life. How can I get into a relationship with the constant fear that she will fuck some dbag while I'm hustling? Any advice would be really helpful, my view on women is deteriorating enough where I might never regain the full trust of one. Take me back into the matrix.

[–]1oldredder 12 points13 points  (0 children)

she will fuck around as soon as you're busy doing something else. It's her nature.

The only advice I can get is to get enough additional women to fuck that when she strays you don't care, and do not invest your emotions in her. It's a wasted investment with no return.

There is no way back into the Matrix. The steak is not juicy.

There is no reason to trust a woman.

[–]csehszlovakze 6 points7 points  (15 children)

You cannot go back, trust can never be repaired. Push forward, use the burning anger to your advantage, then become the best possible yourself. Welcome here!

[–]thetanky 2 points3 points  (14 children)

At a certain point, we're just taking examples of really shitty people, and only focusing on them. Though we all have our cavepeople instincts, just like I want to beat a dudes head off that tries to take a girl I'm pulling. Similarly, girls may have the psychology deep down that TRP sells us on. But at the same time, are you telling me there aren't good girls out there? Do you really believe that there doesn't exist females that will never cheat because they logically know it's wrong? I think I've focused so long on girls I meet in clubs, that I haven't even considered the girls that were watching netflix with a couple girlfriends as I scavenge around bars night after night, becoming more and more disappointed in the small sample size of variety females I am reviewing.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

An overwhelming majority of them will cheat. I don't even trust my own girlfriend enough to expect that she won't. In fact, I expect that she will, and then I won't be disappointed or surprised. Just Friday night I got a number from a girl who was LITERALLY texting her boyfriend while we were all hanging out. I peeked on the phone to see what he was writing, it went something like this:

"Hey baby are you having fun?"

"Yep, what are you doing?"

"Just sitting at home, waiting for you. Wanna watch X show tomorrow?"(or some variant of this bullshit)

AWALT. Literally AWALT bro. The only way to minimize that risk is to have three things:

  1. An Abundance Mentality and other Plates for when your bottom bitch fails to step up to the plate
  2. Constant improvement
  3. The ability and willingness to walk away.

Even then you can't stop that shit completely from happening. It will when the right Chad Thundercock™ comes along.

[–]Stradivorius 4 points5 points  (2 children)

At a certain point, we're just taking examples of really shitty people, and only focusing on them.

Thats basically what feminism does. Takes a few rapist assholes and then applies it to all men. The same happens with the SJW crowd and gaming. A couple of 13 year olds act like retards to someone online and next thing you know you have the entirety of the games press calling gamers misogynists. There might be "good" girls out there but at the end of the day AWALT.

[–]thetanky 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's kinda my point though, when I take a step back and actually look at these views I've had for the past few years, some of them are starting to look like they mirror feminism, but on the other extreme.

[–]-iucking_fdiot- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to see people thinking on their own. Take what you need from trp and apply it accordingly but don't become a sheep. upvoted for honesty.

[–]csehszlovakze 2 points3 points  (6 children)

They might or might not exist (hence the name unicorn), probably are not as pretty as the ones you're chasing, and even if they are they're probably with much higher quality guys. Do you deserve such a girl? You won't be with one until you do. Be the best yourself possible, be someone who's both sex and relationship material (mostly alpha with a tiny hint of beta) and learn to filter girls according to your needs. Go read the sidebar if you haven't already, most of your probably questions are answered there.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (5 children)

They seem to exist, and a hot girl can be the loyal one too. It's down to what she feels and what her character is, not her competitive hotness. Once you have a LTR or especially a marriage with kids, you're not supposed to be competing with every other person out there.

RP teaches that she'll be tempted. It doesn't mean she necessarily will fall. Some do, some don't. Her family background is a fair predictor. But also make sure she was at least at one time really deeply attracted to you, in love with you. If it starts out as an unemotional rational thing for her, that's not enough.

[–]csehszlovakze 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Not if you turn beta in the middle, essentially lying about yourself in the first half and betraying them... at least that's how they perceive it. If your girlfriend eats so much that her weight becomes triple of hers when you first met, you'll feel the same way. Entitlement also plays a huge role.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's not even that simple. After the kids come she turns into their mother, which is quite natural and normal. But with her mom hat on, she's not so much your lover any more . Her attraction is diverted to motherly love for the kids. You're supposed to leave the nest and go slay mammoths or something. But in our society you have financial responsibility for those kids, you cannot really leave even if you want to.

So you have to fight that with married-man game, which is harder and less predictable than relationship or ONS game. But at least in some cases it works.

[–]csehszlovakze 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Leaving the nest happens in modern society too (when you go to work) unless you're a stay-at-home dad. You can still stay alpha and be respected by your family, turning beta will just ruin everything. If you read the stories here you'll realize the guys becoming victims are mostly beta.

It's up to everyone if they wanna marry and/or have kids. Some of the bigger names here are happily married, others would die instead. The two biggest NOs to marriage are divorce rape and cuckolding, even the combination of them. If you're already married when you find RP then up your game, otherwise I say never go that route in the first place, too much to risk and (almost) nothing to gain.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (1 child)

20 years married, kids, still at it. It hasn't been smooth, but there have been external stressors as well. But we're making it. I think the risks are low with the conditions I stated. My opinion for what it's worth.

In a LTR there will be beta moments.

Raising kids is filled with beta moments. You are the provider, of money or at least parental love and support for the kids. You must cooperate with your wife on many things. She may, no she will feel less tingles as she converts from lover to mother. If she's from a good family she will have internalized some values associated with stable homelife and motherhood that will be helpful.

But others will have different difficult experiences than I have had. Good luck, I didn't do everything right, so don't sweat the small or medium stuff.

[–]csehszlovakze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Raising children is not beta. Being a doormat to your wife is. The problem also isn't less tingles, it's tingles not made by you.

[–]1grendalor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The difference is in the level of attractiveness of the women. The plainer ones, who have less access to fuck alphas anyway, will be at home with netflix and their plain BFFs, but only because they have less opportunity. Make those girls hot, and they mount up on the carousel quickly enough. AWALT, really. Yes, makes your head explode, but that's just the truth about women -- all of them. It's hardwired in, it's in the firmware, mate.

[–]thetanky -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What is awalt?

[–]1grendalor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"All Women Are Like That." In other words, all women are hypergamous and looking for the BBD (Bigger, Better Deal). Not all of them have the same opportunity (some are hotter than others), and some are morally restrained as well. But the impulse is there in all of them, just like all men have the same impulse to bang young, hot women (at least if they're not gay).

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How can I get into a relationship with the constant fear that she will fuck some dbag while I'm hustling?

You know buses have crashed, but that hasn't stopped you from riding them.

You know that planes have fallen from the sky, but that doesn't stop you boarding one.

The same goes for a woman. You accept that there is risk involved, and you proceed knowing full well what the outcome might be.

And where women are concerned, you at least have several advantages:

  1. You have a measure of control over the outcome. If your game is tight and your frame is strong, you should be the best of her available options for a long time, and she hopefully won't feel motivated to cheat.

  2. In the mean time, you do the smart thing. Keep your finances separate. Never make large joint purchases. Get a vasectomy and don't tell her about it. That way, if she ever DOES cheat on you and try to squeeze you for benefits, you are protected from the worst consequences. All you'll have to endure is some temporary disappointment with her.

Check out my previous thread on "Managing Your Bitches" for advice on how to handle long-term relationship game.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The harm that thoses stories do to you is nothing compared to the harm any women you're in couple with can (and will) do to you.

Getting back in the matrix is only going to kill you.

Hold your frame, keep calm, be social and take time for relaxation.

[–]thetanky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well, will getting back in the matrix kill me if I still work my ass off, and sleep with beautiful women, but not think the worse in them? This is starting to feel just as bad as feminism. In fact, if I was female, this would be feminism (which is the devil) to me.

[–]1cover20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well whatever you call it, it's the truth. I think of mental health as being able to handle the truth and seeking it. Here it is, this can happen, insist on paternity testing if there's any question, and here she raised the huge red flag herself!

What was really required was a strong self awareness and sense of self worth -- in other words basic inner alpha traits. This guy was not going to raise another man's child, and he did as needed to bring that outcome about.

[–]Stradivorius 1 point2 points  (8 children)

You dont. Just view women for what they are: something for you to get off. If you can cook, clean and have a stable life, then women aren´t going to bring anything new into it. Stick with plates and FWB.

[–]thetanky -1 points0 points  (7 children)

This will sound like I'm jerking myself off, but I want one thing to be clear... I lift weights, I make 6 figures, and I have had plenty of very attractive partners. So it's not like I'm some 22 year old guy getting out of college. I'm just saying though, is this really what you or I want? To live by yourself and have sex with new girls until what, 55 years old max? Then live alone? I've been redpill for a while, I just don't know what I want at this point. I'm not happy with my negative view of women. I'd rather get my shit together, find a virgin, and set my boundaries tight, and keep my masculinity.

[–]Stradivorius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im actualy fine with that idea. Look at the divorced guys who are red pill. 40-50 year olds that are better off after the divorce than they were married.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Having sex with women isn't the only exciting and fulfilling thing that life has to offer.

If you're single your whole life and never have kids or get married, the world is your fucking oyster. I would be constantly traveling; maybe look for work where travel is part of your job.

I get that most of us at some level still long for that 50's (American) dream of coming home to a beautiful wife who loves/respects you your children and pets.. But these days it's looking bleak.

Current-day culture teaches people that the nuclear family is "boring" and outdated.

-Go out and have sex with a lot of partners or you're not living your twenties correctly!

-Ew! I see so many people on FB getting married and having kids!

-I'm a strong independent single mother! Even though I let some loser who doesn't have the ability to provide for a child/family nut in my vagina and didn't even bother to take a morning-after pill.

There are definitely still good women out there who treat the man in their life like a king as long as there's bread on the table and a nice comfortable living… But those women are few and far between; and you're not going to find them sucking dick for an 8-ball in a club bathroom or on OKCupid.

Most women who make good partners are those serial monogamous girlfriends (having chains of longterm boyfriends, and low partner counts). They're always in relationships because they're WORTH IT.

I'm sorry, I forgot.. The more bad decisions a woman makes, the more "empowered" and "independent" she is.. /s

[–]thetanky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Okay, you make a realistic point. So, if your mission was to eventaully find a girl that hasn't been wrapped up in feminism (I can suck as many bartenders dicks as I want and it's empowering), how would you do it? I do have the means to travel anywhere, so I'm thinking visiting helsinki finland for a few weeks, maybe spain. And game a LOT, and meet a lot of women, keep in touch with them and see where it goes. Point being, find a culture that does pretty well, plant seeds. What do you think?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would probably do what you exactly seem to be doing. Planning a cool trip, having fun with my life and working hard to provide myself with that. Then I'd meet women along the way.

I'm planning a trip to Reykjavik this summer and I'm super stoked! I hope I meet some cool people while I'm out there. Helsinki seems like a rad place, I've always been fascinated with Northern European culture.

Go for it!

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or at least a girl with a low N-count. They exist, they might have grown up her or maybe overseas, but don't be too concerned. Basic awareness is pretty good protection. When I reached maybe the point you're at (didn't lift much but had sort of done everything I wanted) I decided to have a family, and that's what I did. And I haven't been cucked.

But no matter how long you're together with the girl, with your wife, you can't let her become your inner voice. You gotta keep contact with your own inner voice.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes that's what I want.

I can't even understand wanting to fuck that up by having a woman control my space, money or how I use my time.

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[–]thetanky 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Damn, this is exactly what I needed to hear

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[–]-iucking_fdiot- -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like so many of these threads are more all people are like that vs. awalt. It does sound like quite a few bitter men. Pretty sure I just read a comment about getting a secret vasectomy to "protect" yourself. That's pretty extreme.

[–]Rougepellet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reminds me of this song "he had it coming" from a play i think. The song perfectly displays the female hamster and current narcisism.

[–]ValarMorghulis90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy is a fucking hero lol. I'm so proud to be a man right now.

[–]starvinmarvin30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's a boy..you can almost guarantee he will be raised with a "Blue Pill Extra Strength" mentality by his mother. And if his mother does somehow find a Beta Bux to help raise him, he'll probably turn out to be a successful white knight at best.

[–]1raceAround126 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, not quite believing this one...

Simply if a woman had managed to trick a guy seven months in, there is no way in hell she would screw it all up so close to the end of level boss simply because of feeeellliiings.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

great post. AMAZING comments but its all Bullshit

No woman would tell the BF in month 7 about a transgression against the relationship

this is relationship revenge porrn

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You didn't read much, she sure would if the kid was of a different race or obviously not his.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Does it say the other guy was of different race?

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, that's just conjecture from everyone.

It's a good guess, though - but nothing more than that.

[–]niceguy_gone_cad -1 points0 points  (0 children)

These situations will do nothing but increase until women like that aren't left on the streets with their bastard spawn with no other choice than prostitution or starvation. This won't happen anytime soon so don't sign any birth certificate until you have a DNA test.

[–]BlackHeart89 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not even surprised she cheated considering how often he works. I'm not defending it. Just saying that I'm not surprised.

What does surprise me is how dumb she was with the whole situation. She actually messed around and got pregnant. Smdh.

If you're going to cheat, be prepared for the relationship to end. Point blank. If my woman was always gone working and neglected me after I brought it to her attention, I'd go around fucking other women. Hell, I'd probably just break up with her. Idk. But I definitely wouldn't expect her to forgive me.