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Field Report[Slight FR] My oh my, women have a skewed perception on "average". (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1theoctopuss

This is a slight field report, mostly because it's an anecdote of mine. It's also a prime example of what the fuck women are thinking. This is grade a hamster material.

The other week, I was with a plate (6/10). I picked her up, took her to my house, fucked her stupid, and was about to take her home. She hadn't been there more than 30 minutes or so.

I was resting for a few minutes when she started a conversation. Usually I don't listen and carry on with what I'm doing. She doesn't give a shit, she just wants to hear her own voice. Except this time, it was something that made my ears perk up.

She was going on about how she looked. She has a somewhat attractive face (8/10), but is probably 130 pounds at 5'5. Shes got an ok body with nice big tits, but she isn't a Jen Selter. She says "I have a pretty face, blah blah blah." Hamster bullshit.

Then she says "But you, you're completely average." A beta might have gotten pissed at that, but I saw an opportunity. I asked her,"What makes me average?"

I'll give you a quick run down of myself. 6', blue eyes, fit, college educated, decent bank account, good family, tight game, etc. Girls much hotter than her have called me "perfect", hot, etc. I also happen to be quite well-endowed in the penile department, but that's only pertinent because of what she said afterwards. I've never felt special, in fact I've felt inadequate for most of my life. I believe I have a loooong ways to go before I get to where I want to be. But, I digress.

I asked her that. She says "Well, you're just average. You have a car, a good job, you're in shape, just things that an average guy would be. Except for your dick. That's the only thing that makes you kinda above average." I asked her what would make me really above average. She says "Well if you were really rich (she's thinking multimillions), if you were 6'5, if you were this and that and..." She basically described a top 0.00001% type of guy.

And that was just "above average." The most alpha of alphas is only "above average " to this 6/10 low hanging apple. This girl, just like millions of other girls in the first world, felt that a male who has natural alpha qualities is the base-line for what she expects a man to be. Her entitlement, just like every other girl in the first world, is off the charts. I delve even further. I ask her, "what's your dream husband/lover/boyfriend?"

She says "Well he has to be, like, really rich. Definitely not going to go bald, ever. He has to be tall, handsome, and be ripped-" she giggled to herself here "-and he has to have a wild side. Oh, and he has to be nice and blah blah blah." Notice the order of descriptions. She tacked on that nice part at the end because she assumed I would judge her. I looked at her and said "I'm taking you home." She seemed objective at first, but she knew not to question it at risk of never fucking my "above average" dick again.

The cards are stacked against you. The cards are stacked against you, me, and every guy on this planet that isn't the equivalent of a male unicorn. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, tighten your belt, and be the best fucking man you can be. These women have such a skewed view of reality due to social media, as well as the army of beta white - knights willing to defend the honor of a woman for literally less than nothing in return.

Don't ever give them any slack, because they sure as shit aren't going to give you any.


[–]BlaiseDB 137 points138 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

There was the study on OKCupid where they found that men would rate the attractiveness of women on something resembling a bell curve but women would rate 80% of men as being below average.

[–]bonadzz 82 points83 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Here's the article you're talking about. Very interesting read.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/

[–]BlaiseDB 47 points48 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I've cited that page so many times, I just got fatigued from doing it again.

There are at least two possible explanations. First is that online daters are in fact hideous and women are not shy to say so, while the ugly betas and omegas are being completely irrational and rate this sty of porcine vaginas as being "average".

Second is that men are being reasonable in their assessment while women are not.

(A third possibility is that the people are ugly but women rate the men against the general population but men rate the women against the other women online.)

[–]GarandTheftAvto 21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't get fatigued, your post here is a perfectly fair and concise breakdown of the possible conclusions that could come from that study.

I take seriously the premise that everyone puts their best pictures up on OKC. (people using angles to hide their fat). That in combination with the huge number of messages most women receive on online dating sites leads me to conclude women are not on average being reasonable in their assessments.

Edit: Grammar.

[–]truchisoft5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

We already know that, there was this study about women and male real arousal versus perceived arousal, and women could not coincide with both, they thought something didn't arouse them when it did, and viceversa all the time. This even happened with lesbians, that marked hetero sex as something they didn't find arousing but their arousal levels where up.

Males had an almost perfect match, we know when we like something and when we don't.

[–]AmorSuperaTudo 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hi, I couldn't find your source, do you mind sharing it? You have a very interesting point.

[–]the_red_scimitar 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, dating sites will teach you all the ways to obfuscate one's appearance. I'm a moderator on a popular dating site, and I've also dated a lot of women from online sources (not CL, heh). It's almost inevitable to discuss online dating experiences, and I hear the same thing over and over about men: they lie about age, and height mostly, followed by weight, joblessness, and relationship status. I've heard of a few who simply used someone else's picture.

But women do all this and more - they tend to use carefully constructed glamour shots, pictures from 10-20 years earlier (and men do this too), and of course, standing behind various things so you don't really see how very fat they are. A woman with a decent figure is going to display it (attention mongering) unless they are pathologically shy.

But wow - when women rate themselves as "average" (which it seems most do), they almost always mean overweight, just like "curvy" almost always mean "fat". Some sites have "a few extra pounds", and maybe one in 50 women who claim that actually are just a few pounds over. Most would fall into the obese category.

So yeah, a lot of lying online, on all sides. I think on your last point, women get a lot of unwanted attention ("creeps" - i.e. people they don't find attractive), and of course, there's the unrelenting and undeserved flattery from men. It'd warp anybody (Kanye?)

But yeah - I'm fit, successful, own my own home in Los Angeles in a very desirable area, do martial arts, ride a motorcycle (all my life, pretty much), have a sense of style, and a not-typical appearance that some women really find attractive (and others are meh about) and a lot of things that would be considered desirable traits. I'm also older than most people in this forum, but regular date women about 25 years younger. (Humble bragging? No, I'm not really that humble) - but my point on this is that with all that, generally the women who initiate are so unrealistic - very out of shape, usually obese, etc.

I just look at it and think: what are you offering me, exactly? RP tells us sex is essentially transactional, and these women seem to expect it to be one-sided. Most have no activities, and basically list interests like "eating" and "shopping". Seriously, the delusional aspect of it is a bit sad.

But I think it was the OKC statistics that showed only 3% of women will even initiate. So anybody doing repeat visits, "likes", "winks" or whatever, to a woman, is generally wasting time. At best, most women see this as lame. So the few that will are either very forward, or very desperate.

[–]disposable_pants 14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Another idea:

Men value looks while women value status. The objective attractiveness of the male and female population on OKC roughly mirrors that of the real world (it's big enough and popular enough that this is plausible) and that roughly mirrors a normal distribution -- this is what men are looking at so this is what their ratings reflect.

Women aren't looking at how handsome a man is, though; they're looking for visual cues about his status. Is he exceptionally good looking (the type that jumps out at you after sifting through hundreds of photos)? Is he wearing an expensive shirt/watch/jacket/etc.? Do his pictures show a high value lifestyle (lots of travel, lots of women, nice car, etc.)? Status is not normally distributed; the vast majority of men (like the vast majority of all people) are low status -- they aren't especially attractive, they aren't rich, they don't have anything in their lives that visually jumps out and screams "I'm interesting." This is what women are looking at so this is what their ratings reflect.

It's possible that there's nothing inherently wrong with the the looks of online daters and that no one is being unreasonable -- men and women are simply measuring different things when they rate attractiveness.

[–]Kharn0 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Now I want to try an experiment: take the same pic of an "average" looking guy and use it on different profiles, each one listing his $ as something different. Then comparing how "attractive" he is rated.

[–]FOOLY--COOLY 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This has been done before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k224gY7Tn-Y

[–]RedPillProphet 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

So in other words women are delusionally pickier which is what everyone else is saying.

[–]disposable_pants 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No -- if anything the data cited in the article points to the opposite conclusion. Look at the part that examines who each sex messages. When they're actively pursuing the other sex women message the most attractive men 11x more frequently than they message the least attractive men. If that sounds unbalanced, consider that men message the most attractive women 25x more frequently than they message the least attractive. Assuming the average attractiveness of the men and women doing the messaging is the same men are aiming higher far more often than women.

All the "how each sex rates each other" charts say is that while men primarily value looks women don't. That data deals more with perception than pickiness.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The first graphs show initial messages. Further down you can see the response rates and women are less likely to respond than men at every given level of attractiveness, overall.

A guy is 50% likely to respond to an "average" woman (rated 2.5) but a guy would have to be rated 4+ to have a 50% response rate. Meanwhile, a 2.5 has about a 37% response rate and the typical guy, as rated by women, has about a 25% response rate.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm guessing responses are more a function of who messages you in the first place. Women receive far more messages, so why would they respond to a 2.5 when they can spend that time responding to a few 4's instead? Initial messages are a much better way to see who each sex thinks they can get.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The disparity in the number of unsolicited messages men and women send is probably a factor. You would have to make some assumptions about how many messages in total either sex sends. Since women rarely send the first message, they have more time for responses.

Go further down the article and you can see that women rated less than a 2 are actually hesitant to respond to the top two tiers of men, looks wise. The same effect applies to men, but not as much.

The other thing is that responses to hot chicks tops out at 70% for average guys and drops to 50% for hot guys. For women, it tops at 80% for a below average girl, and then bottoms at about 42% for the hot chicks.

The other two strange effects are that a woman's attractiveness:

  • has more effect on her response %, and
  • has more effect on the man's response %

The ugliest girls respond between 42% and 67%; the ugliest guys only 35% to 65%. For women, this drops to 12% to 42% for the hottest girls, about a 25 to 30 point drop. For men it goes to 8% and 52% which is a 13 to 27 point drop. Ugly guys are actually more selective than ugly girls (at least, with their similarly ugly counterparts), but girls become more selective at a higher rate as their looks improve. The blip is for those below average girls who go gaga over the best looking guys, but that drops precipitously as well.

Meanwhile, good looking guys will have a response rate 30 to 40 points higher than ugly guys (with the exception being among girls who are a bit below average) while hot women more consistently have a 45 to 50 point advantage (with the exception being among guys who are particularly unattractive).

I don't think initial messages are all that indicative because guys are expected to initiate, are a lot braver online, and are willing to roll the dice on a bunch of good looking longshots

[–]RedPillProphet -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except the fact that women rarely message at all. Stop feeding your hamster... It's obese.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women must discriminate heavily to ensure they get the best alpha sperm. Men are equal opportunity fuckers to spread our seed.

[–]WakingUpAlice 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Just think of what type of women and men use those sites...white knight betas. Women just use em as rebounds and attention and they wonder why later they're back on in a few months. 90% of the women on those sites are either picky or ugly as sin...or looking for a white knight.

[–]BlaiseDB 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess that I and all the women I have met there are the exceptions.

[–]CanadianMastermind 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Speaking as a gay guy myself, I will say that I do find that there are more attractive women out there than attractive men. I think this has two main causes: 1) Women can get a somewhat decent figure just through diet restriction. Men, on the other hand, don't have this luxury. Dieting helps, but you need to work out to get a "masculine figure". 2) Many guys out there convince themselves that they don't need to worry about their appearance and can instead rely on things like money, carts, etc, to attract women.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

As a straight guy I would agree to the extent that guys are generally ugly: I can't understand why women want to have sex with ugly creatures like us.

There is getting buff and then there is how you dress and groom yourself. Most guys don't really focus on the latter unless they are a) gay b) dark triad or c) emulating a or b.

I'm not sure how that plays out with online dating profile pictures. One would think that guys would put their best face forward. Some won't and many female profile pics obviously don't but would men do this more?

[–]CanadianMastermind 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a straight guy I would agree to the extent that guys are generally ugly: I can't understand why women want to have sex with ugly creatures like us.

Well, I think that more relates to how most guys present themselves. When a guy puts even some attention into his appearance (working out, eating right, etc), it can make a huge difference. Men can be draw-droppingly attractive too if the conditions are right.

I think clothing plays a big part too, and honestly I would say that's the biggest overall difference between men and women. Even if a woman isn't that attractive, she'll at least wear clothes that accentuate the right curves and spots on her body to enhance her attractiveness. Guys have these spots too (neckline, arch of the back, etc) but they just don't pay attention to it. There's nowhere near the amount of cultural focus on "male beauty".

This is changing to some degree though, and we've seen a shift over the last 5-10 years. Think of Axe commercials, for example. You didn't see commercials like that even in the 90s. Men are starting to be held to similar standards as far as grooming, style, fragrances, etc. Because of the end of that day that's all this really is--pressure and expectations driven by different industries who want to make money off us.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And the, of course: manscaping!

[–]captainramen 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is the average guy on OKCupid average? Maybe we should ask men that.

[–]AlphaAccountant 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe that explains why women are so horrible with statistics classes. Every time they look at a guy, they either rate him on 2 scales: beta scale, looks are from 0 to 3, alpha scale, looks are from 8 to 10.

This actually reminds of the ladder theory to which I was exposed about 10 years ago. It's most likely what made the pill seem like it just made sense.

[–][deleted] 381 points382 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

What is she really saying? In power talk terms she likes your dick, but doesn't want a relationship. She's rationalising why she's a plate and not a girlfriend.

Hamstering at its finest.

[–]LukesLikeIt 181 points182 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I think she's trying for a power grab or to reassert her position of power by saying more or less than he's her plate. Ego shit

[–]the_red_scimitar 28 points29 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, she is getting picked up and dropped off.

[–]martypete12 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

so? if she drives its much harder to make her leave.

[–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Really? I've always found that a bit easier, but we must approach this differently.

[–]Kombat_Wombat 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ego shit

OP is trying to do the exact same thing to her as she is to him.

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ego's are the reason I don't socialize much. People and their god damn ego's

[–]Kombat_Wombat 20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like your own ego is the reason you don't socialize much.

[–]3409852034160 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I'd agree with this, with a slight modification.

My read:

I think she suspects she's a plate. Walk-in-the-door sex and then dismissal kind of implies that. She feels shitty about that. She knows OP sees her as lesser value than himself. Her hamster can't accept that, so she puts OP down to elevate her self-perception to reinforce she is valued, worth more in the SMP, and is still the special princess society tells her she is. Notice that what she lists as desirable is nothing the OP can provide any time soon? It's a way of marginalizing the OP, to which she knows the OP has no comeback.

It's particularly egregious since the OP is definitely not "average," and she likely knows it. Her hamster blinds her to the fact that she's saying something absurd, thereby giving her true thoughts away: that she feels low value and has to passive-agressively attack OP to diminish her feelings of sluttiness, low value, and scrape together some self-esteem.

Or maybe she's just an entitled western diva.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 57 points58 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

passive-agressively attack OP to diminish her feelings of sluttiness, low value, and scrape together some self-esteem.

This. Emotional maintenance. She taking the sting off her inevitable rejection and loss by making him less worthy.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds legit.

I mean, I have women who have been with utter losers (and not your bad boy alpha delinquent loser, but actual losers) and talk of him as if he was the best thing since sliced bread because he was their boyfriend.

To me it reads that she had to justify that she was OP's fuckbuddy, so she tried to twist the whole thing around by making her to "valuable one" and him the guilty pleasure.

[–]CryptoManbeard 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was my thought process, you said it better.

When it ends, no matter what happens, in her head she will have dumped you because you weren't rich/tall/ripped enough.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Same kind of hamstering shit they do after a breakup to make themselves feel better. "He wasn't all that anyway. I can do better. Blah, blah, blah." She feels shitty that she's just a plate and hamsters to soothe her bruised ego.

Now, if she were your GF and got to stay over, her hamster would sing your praises and call you Chad Pitt Clooney Thundercock.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's particularly egregious since the OP is definitely not "average," and she likely knows it.

I see it more as application of 'girl game' (apex fallacy neg), given her position. It's either 'natural' or she's been reading RPW. The correct strategy is agree and amplify. This shit can get funny if she plays along like a pro.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Luckily we can laugh it off. She's never going to have that 0.00000001% guy.

[–]1xwm82 points83 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who knows. She's so average she might get stalked, fall in love with, and get physically and emotionally abused by a rich Adonis named Grey. I hear its all the rage these days.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even if she does, she's going to find herself at 60 completely alone with nothing but a miserable pain killer addiction and throbbing plastic surgery scars.

[–]CryptoManbeard 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She might get fucked by a .00000001% guy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and then we'll have another unhappy alpha widow.

[–]andres7832 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A power grab for sure, but to add to this she is asking for OP to "qualify" himself to her, she's higher status than him and he should feel lucky to be with her. He's completely average according to her, the natural response would be to "prove" to her than he is not to make up for his "flaws".

A bit more psychopathic than your average woman. Op should be careful this one could be one of the crazier ones.

[–]dennislang 102 points103 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

You might be average... within the sub-population of men that she deems worthy of her time.

This is a great example of "if you're not attractive then you don't exist to women".

[–]TheRedPillGod 49 points50 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

to be fair, ugly women are invisible to me. And most men with any sense of standard.

[–]Redrog1 26 points27 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The difference is that ugly to you means any women more or less two points below your level. Women tend to ignore anything under a 7 no matter how hot or ugly they are.

This leads to a 5 woman thinking that a 6 man is below her, or what op is describing, a pretty but not even fit woman expecting a millionaire as husband.

It all comes down to the confusion modern women have between fucking a guy and locking down a guy. They are able to fuck well above their level and they think they are doing great without realizing fucking is easy for a woman. Locking down a guy, not so much.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's like the hamplanets that claim they shouldn't have to lower their standards. YES BITCH, YOU SHOULD!

But the entitlement is too strong to reason with them.

[–]thrway1312 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of this fatty.

[–]thredditsowaway 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm starting to see this phenomenon in another light. The height is just one of many excuses she can deploy to pre-emptively reject men... so that they can't reject her first.

"Oh, you'd rather go chase those skinny bitches? FINE. You're too fucking short/brown/poor/skinny/fat/whatever for me anyways!" [cries, posts to tumblr, eats ice cream]

Hot girls just don't seem to be as elitist as fat girls on any front.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Precisely. "I'm allowed to want and have anything I desire... it's men who need to put in all the work and take care of themselves to better serve my needs!"

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Redrog1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not exactly equivalent but I guess you could say symmetric is a guy in a serious relationship with a hot wall hitting slut.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's just hilarious that she bought into the whole fantasy that is promoted like books made by 50 shades while she will most likely end up single and divorced by 30. She sounds pretty young, is she educated herself?

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

She isn't buying into it. Look at her actions, not her words.

She banged him, now she wants him to qualify himself to her. It's all practicality. If she can plate him, she can bank for whatever moment in her life it becomes obvious that there's no way in hell she'll ever get that 0.000001% guy. Until then, she'll put up a facade and try to ride the Bullshit Train until she gets kicked off around 30 or 40.

But don't be fooled for a second (like OP was) that she actually believes this is a definition of "average." It's what she wants the definition of average to be in that moment for the specific purpose of fucking with him.

This is how guys are easily fooled. You don't take into account the time, place, and specific purpose of what seems like a general statement. It's right after sex. It's with a guy who hasn't committed. And she's stating blatantly unreasonable standards. It's not hard to piece that together, but so many women do this (one item list, coming up):

1 - Woman: "[insert unreasonable standard or statement that paints the man as helplessly inadequate in some way - then see how he responds]"

Most experienced men know it as a shit test. Even a whisper of the possibility of this happening is enough to make most guys shit themselves and run away (there's even one dude down in the comments going, "Woe is me, I'm only 5'2".)

Guess what guys? You just got weeded out. It was fast, easy and totally in her favor. Was it fair? Not really no. Will she still have sex with you after you fail? Maybe for a while, but certainly not on your terms and certainly not with the motivation she had before.

So let me say this in no uncertain terms so all you newbies out there can understand:

Women are going to fuck with you.

Women are going to fuck with you.

Women are going to fuck with you.

When you falter and try to explain yourself against unreasonable standards, you fail. End of story. It's a hugely practical and efficient way of not ending up with a boring retard. I don't care if you label a girl as a 3 or 6 or 17, if you fuck her and she's even a little bit on your hook, she's going to fuck with you.

With a girl like this, it might not matter so much if you fail since you don't really want to end up with her anyway. But if you find yourself failing these tests consistently then you have a problem because they're plain bullshit tactics through and through. They're the equivalent of someone selling you fake jewelry or a time share. Saleswoman shit.

Learn it. Be able to identify it. Master through it.

[–]malignantbacon 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is some Black Philip-level breakdown of the situation and applies very nicely to everything from hookup LMR to LTR gaslighting.

she's going to fuck with you

This is sidebar, page 1 axiom-status knowledge. Takes way too long for a lot of guys to pick up on this and I almost feel like it's the fundamental reason why lots of dudes (myself included) find/have found themselves bouncing around uncontrollably with women for a while. You need to become internally solid enough to recognize avoid playing the game (as OP did) or get good enough to play the game and come out on top, which isn't a great option since that leaves the possibility of losing on the table.

[–]fittitthroway 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like your post. It's a shit test and also look at what women DO not what they SAY.

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

5'5" checking in. Now I know that plenty of women aren't into that, but I've met an abundance that are (very attractive as well). The shit test about my height comes up a lot. Whatever you get shit tested on, it's basically her saying "I'm okay with you, but are YOU okay with you" if she didn't like it she wouldn't have even noticed that you live on planet earth.

[–]fittitthroway 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How do you deal with the height shit test? The issue tends to be a sharper insult for some reason because us short guys are insecure about height much more so than other parts of our body.

[–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I won't consider myself to be in trouble until I have (insert one of her features). Follow that with a shut eating grin and deadly eye contact

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Shit test. She fucked him and then want to put him down because her hamster is making her believe that what she did was some kind of charity to make herself feel good. And how he questioned her, aka giving her validation, was stupid. I would have got up after sex and went about my day like he said he usually does. Once she said some stupid shit, I would have been like "oh are you still here? Listen, I don't want things to be weird between us....and you are a fun person and stuff...but I have tons of stuff to do. Soooo.....yeah I hope you are going to be weird about this." This makes her mad but she doesn't want to be weird about it so they always play it off like its cool but they are pissed and will remember you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

When she calls him average, the correct response is just to stare her in the face and say 'I am not average' and hope it is as fucking awkward as possible until she caves.

This is what I would do anyway... if she then goes on to describe chad thundercock, millionaire playboy, I would probably just laugh at her and say "well good luck with that darling".

Basically it's either a shit test or a power play. Either way don't tolerate that shit. Judging by her attitude I don't think she is looking for comfort and to betafy him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the second response but the first would seem like frame breaking. I think it would be better to just sarcastically give a "Ha". And ignore it.

But you second response it 100 percent correct. I have used a variation of it. One of my plates tried to give me shit like "Do you how many guys would drive to my house and give me what I want?" My response: "Then you should go date them." (Que mic drop) Then turned on the TV.

I love being outcome independant as TRP calls it. I call it.....NOT GIVING A SHIT.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. This is why I recommend most men to experience women form non-western culture. If you speak Spanish go to south america, if you speak french go to Africa (Morocco, Congo, etc), if you only know English, go to the Philippines and south Africa.

I've been to Philippines, Morocco and Ethiopia. As long as you have a nice house in the surburb and a decent job, you will be part of that 0.00001% of men in their mind. AWALT, its just that the average male in those country are short and they dont make more than $10,000 a year.

As long as your younger than 35yrs, have been immerse in their culture for a bit. These women would make great wifes/LTR. In the Philippines, I have met multiple beautiful 24yr old virgins at a church I used to attend. These women come from good middle income families. Most are well educated. Aagin AWALT, They are looking for MR perfect. At least 5'8" (average filipina is something like 5'2"), makes good money (average filipino income is $10k a year), and blah, blah.

Dont be that 35yr old guy coming to the Philippines looking for 18yr to bring back in the states. Be reasonable. Although, these type of relationship tend to work out if the couple stays in the Philippines from what I've seen. Just be the fucking men that god created you to be. Work Hard, Take care of your self, Dont be ignorant about things you dont know, Keep learning, and dont be a doormat. These women are bred to be loyal if you can hold your end of the bargain as a men.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great example of "if you're not attractive then you don't exist to women as a potential sexual partner"

Most women will gladly make you an orbiter, they'd just never consider sleeping with you.

[–]asdfghjkltyu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Average to women means 'datable'.

Your just the normal guy they would date, decent looking, job, desirable etc.

Below average to them is practically not datable. They'd rather be single and fuck the occasional 'average' guy by their own standards than date a 'below average' guy.

Women aren't dumb, they know that the guys in the 7.5/10 range who are very desirable are still very thirsty and desperate. Most of them have pretty poor social skills and confidence so if the woman pushes the issue they can usually nab them out of convenience.

[–]1beerthroway 112 points113 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Girls are Toyotas that think they should be sold at Lamborghini prices.

[–]gg_s 52 points53 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/NgybR58.jpg

[–]__ZEAL__ 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at the nurburgring times, and you'll understand one of the reasons why the LFA is that price. 7th fastest time, the closest Lambo is 19th. They lose money on every LFA they sell, because it's so ridiculously over engineered... That over engineering is what makes it better than the Lambos sold around the same price.

I'd take this Toyota over a Glamborghini any day. Lambos aren't worth the money at all compared to the LFA. They're also common in comparison, when's the last time any of us saw an LFA?

That's why your example doesn't work.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You just ruined that car for me. I'll always see a camry now.

[–]__ZEAL__ 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Here. Maybe this will change your mind.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whom ever did the lap with the Donkervoort D8 RS is brave.

[–]1beerthroway 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just because Lexus is owned by Toyota doesn't make it a Toyota. Yes there are even great Toyota models (I love the shit out of my Toyota Corolla, 300k+ miles with only maintenance parts, fuck yes). But there is no way in hell I'd pay a lambo price tag.

Subaru is owned by Toyota also and an STI would be my personal #1 choice if I ever wanted to have a project car to invest in. Using that within my analogy, girls that are Toyotas can be worth Lamborghini prices IF they have the potential to bring that kind of value.

[–]gg_s 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Subaru is owned by FHI, of which Toyota owns a ~17% stake.

[–]Black-Pill 78 points79 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

A long time ago (30+yrs) my uncle gave me some advice on women; "Treat a Princess like a Whore and a Whore like a Princess and you can't go wrong". Good advice for his time but these days? Women now (in their minds) are all special Snowflake/Princesses.... even the Whores have that unrealistic mind set. OP is right, treat them like the Whores they crave to be, then send them off to search for their mythological "Prince" while you sit back, relax and have a beer.

[–]1theoctopuss[S] 29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your uncle might have been on to something. It goes along with the old adage, "when it comes to women, do the opposite of what sounds reasonable."

[–]Black-Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

An ancient Chinese proverb perhaps?

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

"Treat a Princess like a Whore and a Whore like a Princess and you can't go wrong"

I was probably 30 before I figured this out. Who knows how many great women slipped through my fingers because I thought they were sweet, innocent little flowers and I treated them with kid gloves and they just got bored with me. What a waste! Even the ones that I fucked - actually, especially the ones that I fucked - the relationship would just sort of fizzle out.

But girls I didn't like so much, and therefore I didn't treat them as well, they would be stuck to me like glue. I'd have to push them away. And by "didn't treat them as well" I'm mostly just talking about taking care of myself first. Not worrying so much if she's happy, and not expending a lot of effort to make her happy. That attitude translates into a whole bevy of specific behaviors, particularly in the bedroom, and evidently those behaviors are attractive to a lot of women.

I finally figured out that if I made an effort to treat the former the way I'd accidentally treated the latter, then I'd get the "stuck like glue" behavior from them (at least, more often).

Blue pillers (being idiots) will read this and think, "zomg slut shaming!" But I'm not judging anyone. On the contrary, this works out better for me. My only complaint is that didn't have an uncle like yours, or really, anyone to give me this amazingly useful advice.

But I do want to have a quick lol at OP:

fucked her stupid

She hadn't been there more than 30 minutes

lol.

[–]1ImRasputin 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Make them wet, treat them like dirt - they will stick like mud.

[–]Black-Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like this... a lot. I will be using in the future, thanks.

[–]qiang_shi 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not trait really sure how anyone would infer that you're slut shaming. Not even blue pillers.

[–]Black-Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ironically, the sad ending for my uncle was that a few years later he got Oneitis for a BPD (Border-Line Personality Disorder) woman. As you can imagine; 20 odd years of painful marriage, two incredibly fucked up kids and the inevitable divorce/rape. I learned quite a bit from that as well watching the whole fiasco from the sidelines.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 33 points34 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Then she says "But you, you're completely average."

She's negging you. Putting you down. To try and put herself up. Standard girl shit.

She might even mean it, but it's only one girl's opinion. But I seriously doubt it's even that.

[–]SelfEvolved3 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What is an appropriate response? If someone said that to me I wouldn't even know what to say.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Consider it a shit test or power play.

Most importantly nothing like "But I am not average, I am awesome!" Nothing hurt, nothing defensive. Logical is not the worst answer, but you shouldn't really be addressing anything that smells of bullshit because then she's calling the shots.

I'd just laugh if I heard it because it's so dumb. Start with amused indifference, then add in wit. It's a powerplay and she wants to lose. Girls fuck with us on purpose (was talking to a girl about this tonight and she had a great perspective on it). Probing for weakness, having fun, trying to get a rise out of us.

Think about it... a girl will date up before she's even interested (top 20%). So we're almost always taller, cleverer, better social standing, better looking. Somehow her BB programming says she has to gain control over a guy who is better at most things than she is. She isn't going to choose any form of logic or strength to do this, because she'd flat out lose. So she fucks with us mentally/emotionally. Because sex and shit tests are all she's got to do this in today's world (today's woman has no interest in trust, easy submission, charm, reasonableness, etc)

Some answers:

  • "I'm special, my mother says so".
  • "Yeah, and you wouldn't like to date average, would ya".
  • "Everyone is average, on average".
  • "Do you mean the median, the mode, or the mean?"
  • "And you're a special, beautiful, unique little snowflake. Just like everyone else"

[–]SelfEvolved3 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've failed so many shit tests now that I look back. But the good thing is in social situations now because of TRP and RSD I keep my eyes open and fully engaged. Now I can catch the shit tests before it manifests, but usually I'm left stunted as to what to respond with! Thanks for your insight.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont see what is wrong just saying "I'm not average" and purposely making it as awkward as possible whilst staring her the fuck out. It's important not to look butthurt obviously, but In all my history I have never had someone challenge me again after I make it clear they have completely stepped out of line. Or failing that just call her out saying "wtf are you talking about"...

Maybe i'm not being calibrated, but being called shit is totally disrespectful to me. Id be willing to walk away from her. She doesn't seem like the type of person who you want around for long anyway, I've never had a shittest like that in a LTR or from a somewhat respectable girl. They tend to be on a much more respectable level and require a respectable response. Basically being said to "you aint shit", should pretty much be greeted with "If thats what you think, get the fuck out of my life" kind of response imo.

[–]mrp3anut 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Laugh, then go on with your day, or don't laugh and go on with your day.

[–]MrMontage 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How about, "i guess that means you'll sleep with just about anyone."

Either she back tracks or has to admit she's a slut.

[–]Wolfsdorf 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Internet, Dating sites and social media have broke the girls. They get so much insane attention that all they have is an insanely distorted vision of reality. They're nearing "fame" with thousands of followers in Twitter/Instagram/Facebook, getting thousands of messages in dating sites, and if they happen to open a YouTube account with them doing bullshit, they'll get thousands of subscribers. All of these just for being a woman. Since they view fame as the primary sign of status, they view themselves above all those "average" men. They really think they're entitled to the Brad Pitts of the world. The situation is only going to worsen.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There was an interesting OK Cupid stat that said women find 80% of men "below average".

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/

Think about that for a second. Women's standards are mathematically wrong. They are provably delusional. And not just a little bit delusional. When 80% of men are mentally-stuffed into a category that should contain 50% of men, it becomes clear that a vast majority of women are statistically wrong. ... way wrong.

From OK Cupid:

As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh .... But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her...

...

Females of OkCupid, we site founders say to you: ouch! Paradoxically, it seems it’s women, not men, who have unrealistic standards for the “average” member of the opposite sex.

In case you're wondering how males score females: Men score them on a scale which is remarkably mathematically well-distributed.

"a woman is as likely to be considered extremely ugly as extremely beautiful, and the majority of women have been rated about “medium.” ... Given the popular wisdom that Hollywood, the Internet, and Photoshop have created unrealistic expectations of how a woman should look, I found the fairness and, well, realism, of this gray arc kind of heartening.

Anyway, just another reason to stay far away from online dating. It warps women's brains and is statistically/provably (as the above figures show) bad for men.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not "wrong" at all. It's evolutionarily spot on. Women need to have greater discretion when choosing mates, and men less so, because of the nature of our reproductive capabilities.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's still a little wrong: a man needs enough discretion choosing which women bear his children so he's not wasting his time. He may (usually will) help raise those children (since being alpha means having skills as well as good genes) but he may have a few he can't raise since he's gotten around a lot. Still, would be a waste to let those genes be diluted with worthless women from bad lineages.

This is why men can easily determine, almost universally, what attraction is in a woman. It's how we select with great accuracy what good genes are in the package.

[–]2wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

right, well that's why I said "less so" instead of "not at all". Doesn't change the fact that women take on greater risk than men in reproduction- which is the explanation for the different ratings. Having your genes passed on in some way is better than not having them passed on at all. In over all terms, the man is better off setting his standard lower. And the attractive female has no incentive to because she has so much power in the vastness of her options.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

80% of men "below average".

So of the remaining 20%, what percentage are 'average' and what percentage are 'above average?' I'll bet that over 3/4 of that remaining 20% are perceived as 'average.'

Apex fallacy all over again.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

This article came up elsewhere in this thread so I'll share my interpretation here, too. The short version is that while men are rating the pictures based on attractiveness (which is normally distributed) women are rating them based on perceived status (which is not). Men want a pretty face and nice tits; women want some hint that you aren't just any other jabroni. Women aren't wrong so much as they're rating the pictures differently from men.

[–]rkg-pua20 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I have a few friends who are MDs and PhDs who consistently fail on OKC. Why? Because they're classically unattractive.

Can we stop with the women don't care about looks bs? They do, a lot. Especially since a lot of women make their own money these days.

[–]disposable_pants 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can we stop with the women don't care about looks bs? They do, a lot.

Women care about looks AND status, to the point where it doesn't make sense to talk about one without the other. I'd argue that they care about status far more as there are countless examples of ass-ugly men who wind up with gorgeous women due to their status.

Think of men as baseball players. Their looks are analogous to fielding skills and their status is analogous to ability at the plate. Of course you'd want a corner outfielder with great range and a cannon, but at the end of the day you'd sacrifice a great deal of defensive ability if he can jack 40 homers each year. Your friends are like good-not-great offensive players who are horrible at defense -- the total looks/status package isn't that appealing even if one dimension of it is.

Especially since a lot of women make their own money these days.

I don't think this has that big of an effect on how women value status -- male doctors marry female nurses, but female doctors don't marry male nurses.

[–]rkg-pua8 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd argue that they care about status far more as there are countless examples of ass-ugly men who wind up with gorgeous women due to their status.

Oh you mean the Beta Bucks men? Of course dude, these women are genuinely attracted to these men of "status" yet still continue to fuck 6'4" ripped, uneducated Mr. Pool Boys on the side.

This is RP 101 - AF,BB. Yawn

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not either/or, they want both. But failing that they will take AF over BB all day long.

[–]wheelssss 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women care about looks AND status, to the point where it doesn't make sense to talk about one without the other.

A relevant video series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V7TcSr9GiM

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's all of them. They want status and looks.

It's sad to say but Miss Special Little Snowflake who is a 6, feels entitled to Mr Grey because she is swarmed with attention from betas in the bottom 80%.

[–]DougieTheCaker47 points48 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Status > Everything

Keep in mind this is just shit she is saying. Even these soulless bimbos will be crazy about you if you physically emotionally and intellectually dominate them. It just happens to be much easier to draw them into your world when you have status.

[–]Floridaisondrugs 20 points20 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This was my initial thought. Since when does anything she says matter? She already fucked him. The rest is irrelevant.

[–]TexAs_sWag 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I also thought it was strange that a plate would have the gall to say that to him. My plates have always been pretty respectful, but I suppose I usually choose plates that I enjoy talking to and hanging out with in the first place.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He had a fuckbuddy (straight sex and nothing else) relationship with her. It sounds like you do more friends with benefits.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So very, very wrong.

Frame/Game >>> Status

[–]Dark397 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women compare you to whats the best out there and theoretically possible for her to get and in each individual department.

Some men are taller, some are smarter, some are more social, some are more rich, some have a bigger schlong etc. but she will compare your dick to the biggest dick she has had or could have, your wealth to the richest dude shes had or could theoretically have, your looks to the sexiest...so and ao forth.

All a big pile of BS, just smile and keep on improving.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women compare you to whats the best out there and theoretically possible for her to get and in each individual department.

That's the most concise explanation I've ever read.

Let's say you have a bunch of traits and assume there (a) wasn't any correlation between them (there is, but bear with me), and (b) you accurately measure all of them and draw some definite line where one half was "better" than the other. Let's say it's height, fitness/body shape, facial asthetics, wealth, intelligence, confidence/charme - the chance to be better than half of the other men in every department (i.e. everything from the 51st to the 100th percentile) is 1.6%. So this means even if you're completely average in every regard you already dodged a 98.4%-bullet to not be below average in one of them; and you still aren't really a keeper. And this doesn't even take soft qualities like kindness and a nice personality into account - or age, if you assume that women would prefer their dreamboat to be within their own age cohort (which would probably narrow the 1.6% down to 0.16%).

And this, dear padawans is the reason why women may find themselves to be forced to compromise a lot when it finally comes to settling down.

[–]galluscio65 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. While men are looking for a few uncorrelated variables to be in the top x percent, women have laundry lists of literally 10+ attributes for potential mates (thank you, Oprah). There is a "best of" on Craigslist where the guy's rant covers this. Here is an excerpt (link below):

Let's say you are in the San Jose area, and are looking for a single (31%) white (48%) man, 25-34 (about 18%) who is 6'0 or taller (15%), doesn't smoke cigarettes (82%), and possess a Bachelor's degree or higher (32%). Assuming we are dealing with independent events here (which of course they are not, but this is just a rough example), all of those factors are multiplied together, and therefore we are only talking about 1/1000 men in the San Jose area. We haven't even delved into the intangibles yet such as looks, personality, wit, etc. Now granted, you are probably going to get a higher caliber of clientele from Craigslist, nonetheless the point here should be clearly illustrated. The more restrictions you adhere to, the less of a selection you will have.

Craig's List Rant - Women, a few minutes of your time please.

[–]SpeculusIrigaray 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's negging you, this is what models feels like when skinnyfat guys in leather pants tells them they have "man hands". LMAO

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 54 points55 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

She says "Well he has to be, like, really rich. Definitely not going to go bald, ever. He has to be tall, handsome, and be ripped-" she giggled to herself here "-and he has to have a wild side. Oh, and he has to be nice and blah blah blah."

I've spoken with a quite a large number of Thai women to see what they look for in a man. They prefer an average man with a little bit of a stomach because they are afraid that he will run off and cheat on them, which would bring them shame. Often times wives will cook extra food for the husband to keep him full so that he isn't some jacked 6-packer that is getting too much attention. I have noticed that with any "shared food" my girlfriend always saves the last bite for me. This small act serves several purposes, it is deferential, generous, and pragmatic. If she is eating a little less and I am eating a little more she will stay thin and cute and I will be (she is hoping) satisfied and not chiseled and too sexy.

Because the United States practices big daddy gubmint with all those perks and welfare for single mommas, women don't really compete on a free market level, they are free to go after alpha fux because all men are drafted into the BB position via forced taxation. In contrast, Thailand has no social safety net, so women are more keen on getting a good man and keeping him around. They say that getting a man is like buying a lottery ticket. A woman is very fortunate to get a good man, someone who will love and take care of them, not cheat, not abuse/drink/drug, etc. If a woman is able to capture the attention of a "good man" she will fight for him, and work hard for him. If a marriage ends the woman is seen as a complete failure. She has almost no chance of getting married again. Thai men will never go for a divorced woman or a woman with children. Interestingly, though, there are the BB faggot white knights from the West that marry Thai women who failed their first marriage or already have kids by a Thai man.

We all know that women are shrewd and calculating creatures. A social safety net completely changes the sexual and marriage market for men and women. When women have the benefit of free $$$ like in the US they will spend their time trying the sink a decent man and go after AF. With no social safety net the women will use their crafty and calculating nature on obtaining and keeping a good man. Since this is an on-going project the woman's nature is harnessed in a way that makes a marriage stronger and both people happy.

My experience is also that women are very modest about their appearance. Pride is not something women should have about themselves. They know that they are a dime a dozen and it's very easy for men to find a new girlfriend. They try to stay thin, pleasant, and keep their man well fed and happy. Everyone wins.

[–]bluedrygrass 21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And all those things you listed, that for us occidentals sound like some magical fairy tales, mystical feminine creatures doing absurd things for their males, all those things are in reality just what the average female should be doing to his average male. Nothing more.

The interference of the state and it's provider role with OURS sweated moneys stolen in taxes has completely destroyed the natural order of the things.

[–]Fryguy48 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When you fuck with nature, it fucks back. There will be a change, nature always maintains balance.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Men who are not beta will expect more sexual deviance and out-goingness directly and immediately from women. Period.

Men who are not alpha but not stupid... will also tolerate less bullshit from women and do more to hide their income from government to ensure they are not the ones directly & repeatedly robbed to fund the bullshit.

Women will then split their strategies into seeking government cheese (even to the cost of not caring how fat/ugly they get) and otherwise being as thin & hot as possible to get the best sex, best alpha fux (may overlap with gov-cheese seekers; I think you can see visibly which dominant-group-association is taking place)

[–]human_bean_ 13 points14 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

The extra burden of taxation and the social safety net also both erode small scale free market enterprise and motivation for work.

I'm not against the social safety net. It's just in the western Europe it's way, way too much. Also if you have a health care problem the public sector is unable to solve (which is often), you're forced to go private.

Government has to provide its citizens the ability to be functional, able to work, but the government doesn't have the obligation or the right to make their citizens lives comfortable.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 18 points19 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I'm not against the social safety net.

Increasingly I find myself against it. It is too costly and problematic. It's an example of 'social engineering', one that deconstructs society rather than improves it.

I am not against charity. Charity forces people to be accountable. It requires people to CHOOSE to give, and people to ask for help. In this way people must be humble, and give thanks. Giving benefits the soul. It feels good to give and it reminds people that they are good and they can do good in this world.

Social welfare is involuntary charity, AKA stolen property. The people receiving it are not grateful and there is a lot of waste and fraud because the ruling class thinks nothing of wasting tax dollars. The common people are just working slaves to them. On top of all that it fucks up men and women. If women don't have to rely on men then marriage itself doesn't work. If marriage doesn't work civilization erodes quickly.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

correct. taxation = coercion. they make taxation look good with a bit of social security, but in the end all its doing is destroying us

[–]human_bean_ 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious, do you have examples where large states have operated purely on charity? How is crime? How is health? What does the labor market look like?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious, do you have examples where large states have operated purely on charity? How is crime? How is health? What does the labor market look like?

I didn't say I was against taxes, I said I am increasingly against a social safety net.

[–]human_bean_ 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I accidentally a word there. Yes, I did mean examples of where the social safety net of a state operated purely on charity basis.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I presume that most countries/empires/societies throughout all of human history had charity organizations. Welfare funded by taxation is a very recent invention--I'm guessing it started with Marxism.

Even today the best programs are private charity. An example is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Because it's his fucking money he makes sure the money is efficiently spent and problems are actually solved.

[–]human_bean_ 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I presume that most countries/empires/societies throughout all of human history had charity organizations

Funded by whom? The King? Local lords? As the political landscape was so different in human history, it's hard to compare. You have to remember, until very recently, people were mostly farmers. http://imgur.com/Yz2pXw2

I just have hard time believing charity would be anywhere enough to have a decent welfare system.

Without some solid proof it actually functioning inside a modern state I remain unconvinced.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

People paid alms to beggars outside of churches. People paid tithe to the church, which ran its own social programs. Extended family took on the burdens of family in cases of illness and death. Family stuck together and took care of each other.

I am not making an argument that charity existed to an equal degree that welfare does today. My argument is simply that welfare subsidizes women, therefore it hurts men and marriage. That which hurts the institution of marriage tears at the fabric of society.

[–]human_bean_ 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That which hurts the institution of marriage tears at the fabric of society.

I think effective birth control already dealth the biggest blow, social welfare just being an afterthough.

If you want to rewind back the time when marriage was still a thing, you would have to ban all forms of birth control.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's decent? A human needs warmth and 3 meals a day. Not giant meals, just healthy ones. How expensive is that really? Especially if some of what's provided is directly as food + materials rather than cash in a cash-chasing-goods inflationary situation?

[–]AnotherLostCause 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it charity provided the same benefits as the safety net it would cause the same problems.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well Thailand was mentioned. They seem to have a lot of coups but I'm not hearing a lot about rampant street violence. A lot of guys here actually recommend Thailand to live in so I wonder, if it's that scary, would it be so recommended?

[–]BlaiseDB 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We need a safety net, not a hammock.

[–]AnotherLostCause 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We always had a safety net called charity, but that money went to widows and orphans not whores and bastards.

[–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya. Things like subsidized healthcare, daycare and food banks are OK without going shit-stupid crazy. Subsidized housing in a rigged real estate market isn't. It sucks but the reality becomes housing so expensive only the rich can afford it plus the rich's and near-rich taxes to fund the subsidized for the low-end so suddenly the lower-middle class becomes the new slave-class. It's a disincentive to work unless used sparingly.

It isn't used sparingly enough so now there's no shame in it at all.

[–]newspaper_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was such a great post, thank you.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The state? It wasn't the state. It wasn't a "provider government" and it sure as shit wasn't taxes.

If you're pissed about the taxes you're paying and thinking that has any hand in keeping you down, you're just not making enough money.

What destroyed the "natural order" was the criminalization of violence and the rise of contemporary feminism.

We can cut back the government and go extinct as our society evolves into decadent corporatism which destroys the substrate on which we live, or we can embrace a post-scarcity economic system with social benefits in the future and have a chance of getting some humans off this rock to colonize and preserve our species. For that, we'll need more than our government - we'll need a unified global government apparatus.

If you want your great-great-grandson to be anything other than the Lord of the Dirt outside of his mudhut, then you better learn to accept that the government actually needs to grow to preserve our fucking species.

When it comes right down to it, the "natural order" you like so much only changed because people fucking changed it.

Complaining is for kids. Grow a pair and play the game as-is right now, because the rules of the game that exist right this moment are the only ones that matter.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"women's" media feeds them this. They think some Billionaire Thor lookalike is going to come in and shower them with gifts because they have tits and a vagina.

I enjoy watching women who think of themselves as "hot" age. The despair and desperation is amazing. soon they look like this

OP keep track of this woman, and watch as the years pile on and the desperation grows and grows.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and in the end she will blame "men". 'Never once admitting to herself that she spent her youth fucking alphas who were way out of her league and who treated her like a plaything.

[–][deleted] 151 points152 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

I'm 6'4, blonde hair, blue eyes, fit, college educated, extremely well read, well groomed, well dressed, almost an 8" dick and the only thing these slags want to talk about is the BMW I drive or how much land my parents own. It disgusts me. I'm 95th percentile+ in almost every evaluation but it's never enough for the 7/10 at the dive bar in a college town. 25 and haven't made your first million yet? Oh, you're only average.

[–]1theoctopuss[S] 93 points94 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stories like ours are not uncommon. These are the same sluts that would beg for a chance once they're post-wall and it's evident that a Brad Pitt or a Tom Brady will never give them the time of day.

Society would be better off if women were taught not to be princesses and men were taught not to be manginas from the get go.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's evident that a Brad Pitt or a Tom Brady will never give them the time of day

They have the power of hope (lol) and conditioning says they are a snowflake. They will be miserable when they finally settle with beta bux. It's similar to a beta/basement dweller/neckbeard who has delusional fantasies of saving a beautiful woman that will devote herself completely to his sexual desires. When he finds someone (several notches below that beautiful woman) he is miserable in the relationship and can't figure it out. The reality escape became more real and it's hard to become grounded again.

Reality just isn't as fun.

The post in general makes me shudder a bit. I bartended for a while and the amount of unfuckable women proudly proclaiming after happy hour's social lubricant kicked in that they wouldn't settle for anything less than a lawyer/doctor/project manager who is 6'2" (at least) was mind boggling.

Also women who are in their 30s with children who divorced husband 1/2/3 still think they got it and can't figure out why they get pumped and dumped.

Betas ruin things in general and women are no exception, they go crazy reaching for this low hanging fruit which does them no good and inflates the already disproportionate ego of these women.

[–]SwissPablo 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It really doesn't matter how good you are, this sort of woman will always think she can do better.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

It's not really disgusting when you realize the BMW you drive or the land your parents own is completely relevant to their biological impulse to provide the best conditions for their children. It's about security and it's just as natural as the sun sets and rises. It's what you do with this information that counts at the end of the day.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I think he means the disgusting part is that they are at such a lower level and still expect it. The average chick in a bar is probably about $20k in debt from student loans and expects a millionaire, looking down on the 'average' 6 figure salary dudes (despite the fact they would be top 20% of america for two salary HOUSEHOLD income).

I would understand it if they girl is upper middle class and wants to go to upper class but these basic bitches want to go from peasants to queens in one generational jump. Its absolutely delusional unless the girl is the top 0.1% in beauty which would be very hard to since you are competing with rich bitches that can afford plastic surgery. There is a reason why wealth and beauty are correlated.

[–]xRadix 14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Last I checked, 159k puts you in the top 5% of household income. So those 'average' guys are even higher than 20%.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

He's saying her interpretation of average, not truly average. So when she says 'average' she expects top 20% income to qualify for that term.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can you explain further?

I fail to see how we can extrapolate that 100k+ = top 20% based on the info he provided that 159k = top 5%. Unless there's a standard correlation, which there isn't, I don't see how you can determine this. There could be a large gap between top 20% and top 5%.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess I read it to assume this was the girls' opinion of what was was average rather than what ACTUALLY was.

We're on the same page! Good game: http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/2650671/tulo.gif

[–]1independentmale 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly this. I have seen so many dumb, basic bitches who think they're worth their weight in diamonds. It's enough to make a guy sick.

I do well financially. Six figures and the perks that come with it. Yet, for some reason, bitches want more. They see the house and car and lifestyle and they're giddy with joy, but quickly become disappointed when they realize I'm not going to buy them diamonds, there's no yacht or private jet and I'm not taking them to the mall for a $50k shopping spree "just because."

They seem to expect Lil Wayne money. They are so far removed from reality I can hardly believe it. As if a top 0.01% guy with tens of millions in the bank is going to stroll through my little town and shower these 6/10 basic bitches with riches.

[–]fittitthroway 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, start investing in cat name books and startup cat breeding specialists.

[–]HeinousFu_kery 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Everyone has a dream.

Women like that hold men responsible for making their delusional aspirations happen, complain that they're repressed and "held back" if it does (since it wasn't their doing and they feel disconnected from the process), and complain that the man is inadequate if it doesn't (since they weren't involved in the failure and therefore it wasn't their fault).

The issue isn't peasants and queens, but princesses.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So because they have no accountability and responsibility, their dreams are completely in the hands of men? So when it doesn't happen, it's not their fault for not doing anything to make it happen or improve themselves, it's MEN'S fault?

[–]1nzgs 56 points57 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You aren't as attractive as you think then. That sort of questioning is reserved for men who don't give the tingles.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorNightwingTRP 45 points46 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you've misinterpreted. He gives the tingles and the reason the chicks are so interested in the BMW and how much land his parents own is because they're wondering about future security (since they've already established the genes and status.) i.e. does this guy have the bux too? Or should I just get alpha cock and keep searching for a better providing tool at the same time?

The natural entitlement of bitches also demonstrates a limitless greed. Like that chick who got a billion dollar divorce settlement and complained it wasn't enough. It's why so many on here find that plates will try to lock them down into a committed relationship while still out there trying to get a better deal and branch swing up. The greed is limitless.

[–]Hughtub 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ultimately the only prize we get from women is children, specifically sons. Sex is great of course, but only a woman who wants kids deserves marriage, otherwise you can just split up when her looks go and upgrade to a younger woman.

[–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

dude just be happy you aren't 5'7"

[–]flexiblehold 57 points58 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Always remember, women don't always mean what they say, i.e. their words are not necessarily in line with what they feel about you. It very well could have been she was shit-testing or trying to take you down a peg out of her own insecurities. In a way you semi-failed her shit test by asking her to define "above average" or "ideal man," she got your attention which is what she wanted. Don't forget, women have game too...

One other thought: your description of yourself is of pretty "typical" bro, though not average. You sound like "Joe Dude," not like a distinct person with specific accomplishments or tangible tokens of status. E.g., look at this guitarist from Rilo Kiley. Look at who he was fucking/LTRing for a good while. This guy is short, mousey looking, yes stylish, but importantly a brilliant songwriter/guitarist with a cool-as-shit band, and he was a working actor for years. He has a tangible personality and is distinct, not just a dude with $ or pecks. We on TRP should be talking more about these sorts of alphas, the artistic types, the iconoclasts, the men who are distinctive and interesting even if not ripped or billionaires.

[–]damnyouresickbro 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Completely agree. OP is just feeding the narrative he is trying to push. All he does is talk about the things he has rather than the things he's done. You may have all those things but if you're a boring person, that doesn't inflate the value of those items.

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All these 'strange alpha' guys would be more alpha if they were ripped and taller. You don't need the looks to do well (look at Patrice), but if you don't have them you need to compensate. The guy in the band has status. That's why he gets pussy. And by the way, I'd be more impressed with that guy if he pumped and dumped that chick instead of being her beta bucks.

[–]Letesse13 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

You only need to read a few threads from TRP to realise how everything is intergrated.....she rates you as average because the majority of guys are invisible to her anyway, therefore you're an "average" in a smaller pool. She's not comparing you to all males just a small selection.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent point. Men view any halfway attractive woman as potential sexual partners where women only fuck around at or above their own SMV. You have to be something special to stack up well against the high value guys she really wants.

[–]1SuperStalin 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been with several women who said stuff like that, but that's just words - she's actually saying she's really into you... but she feels powerless about it, so she's trying some bullshit.

[–]1nzgs 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whenever guys (often very young men) go out of their way to prove how "alpha" they are it always makes me slightly cynical.

[–]FallenHighSchoolJock 28 points29 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You need to be a 9.5/10 multi-billionaire guy with 4 Nobel Prizes, 10 Grammies, 5 Oscars, a best seller book, world class inventions which changed the world forever, who created a magnificent piece of art already named as classic, and who holds several world records, you have to have had travelled all the countries including the Moon, fought in several wars, be master in several martial arts, be an accomplished pianist and singer, and had sex with over 100 8+/10 women just to get a PLATONIC hug from a burn victim 38 year old fat single mom of 5 (all from different fathers) with diabetes, Crouzon Syndrome and mild mental retardation.

[–]bluedrygrass 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And she may still act like a biatch.

[–]ModAerobus 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*will still act like a bitch

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's almost as if they took the "What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch" copypasta at face value.

I once read the annual valentine's pity-party in an expat magazine, where women of no particular quality or memento lamented the fact that there was a dearth of Solzhenitsyn-reading polyglot millionaires among the ranks of their male counterparts. Abroad is a fantasy planet.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just wanted to throw in that Solzhenitsyn is at least a good read compared to the pretentious bullshit that it's en vogue among many progressive-minded wannabe intellectuals.

[–]Dark397 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dont forget to open doors for her because you are lucky to have her and the associated drama in your life.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Got a funny situation like this. A spinster 32 yo with psychiatrist entourage tries to inflate her self worth near me and is like "I am too good for you". She was gorgeous but now the WALL damage is just brutal. I took a picture of her and when she saw it got a panic attack.

[–]R4F1 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only the best Disney prince for the Disney princess.

She's obviously talking about this guy: http://i.imgur.com/OnODiax.jpg

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Started prepping my three girls that more girls go to college.... so, when it's time to marry, they might marry a man without a college degree. Even in High School, they don't want to accept this is how the world works!

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ask them whether or not they believe in "equality". They will say "yes", of course.

Then watch the hamster spin when you explain to them that plenty of male doctors marry female nurses, and plenty of male pilots marry female flight attendants. Ask them if they might do the same if they were a female doctor or pilot.

Then ...ask them again if they believe in "equality" -- or if they just believe in equality for everyone else. (Which is the very definition of "inequality").

For the vast majority of women, feminism is a power-grab. It's an opportunity to raise their worth -- for the purposes of attaining an even higher level male. This last part is the part that most supporters of feminism miss. It is not about equality.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Prep them to stay virginal because honestly that is the ace up the sleeve for women. Once that virginity is gone they will just be mired in competition with all the other 99.9999% of women. If they can manage it they will remain a cut above the rest.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As far as intellect goes, I'd rate a guy with a certification in something like electrical engineering or mechanics over someone with a bullshit bachelor's degree.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree and amplify. "Oh definitely. I'm way too average for a long-term relationship. I'll just have to keep having sex on the side."

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I make more than my two brother-in-laws on my wife's side, yet still it's not enough. I'm ahead of her father career-wise, too. Not enough, though. Of course, I, like everyone, has that one relative making much much more money who I am compared to :)

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you need to dump someone. Or at least seriously discuss the possibility. Dread works.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

bro she's testing you she doesnt believe that crap dont fall for it, you should know better

[–]Lu_the_Mad 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should have told her that the only thing average about yourself was that you were ok settling for basic bitches, and then alpha stared the fuck out of her. You don't need to defend yourself like that.

[–]Nubberkins 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you should raise your own standard and stop bringing home idiots.

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[–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've heard 6'2/6'3 are ideal.

[–]Trigger_Warnings 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Heartiste tells of a 461 bullet point checklist that every girl has as their ideal partner. That checklist can be circumvented by tight application of game, to the point where a broke arse dude with a motorcycle and swag can steal the heart of a girl used to dating rich guys,

Source: I am that broke arse dude.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As an ugly, bald guy... FUUUUUUUU

[–]2johnnight 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her baseline is whom she sees on TV.

[–]fuck_da_haes 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually she is right, there are 3 genders, females, alphas and betas. They don't even consider betas to be a men. So, yeah, you are above average alpha, enjoy. Its futile to be angry about that, enjoy your status and laugh at the post-wallers (because their demands are even more ridiculous).

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, he didn't say he considers her sub-average. He said she's a 6/10, which is only ever-so-slightly above average.

[–]1theoctopuss[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's just a step above average. No doubt that if she cut 20 pounds, barring any physical deformities hidden by her layer of chub, she could be a 7 or an 8 on a good day.

[–]pl231 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

ever noticed how women are terrible at estimating things? most of the time they'll come up with a random reason why they can't estimate and then when they do, it's not even close to reasonable.

or how whenever a chick goes on a diet, it's essentially never a 300-500 calorie deficit. they'll just start eating like 1000 calories.

they're just not rational.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My good friend is like this. She is one of the few females I could stand to befriend, but she has started getting migraines because she doesn't get that you need to eat at a moderate deficit. I know that's not your point, but it proves your example true.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd love to know how old this girl is. In the past few years, this "attitude" has been what I have experienced in girls 26-30. Then at 30, boom...they are still single and wondering when their prince charming is coming for them. Thing is, at that point, they are haggard and no one wants them, so they cling to each other in this sad, desperate attempt to look social.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She sounds like she's insecure and trying to trick you into thinking you have someone who's "better" than you actually think.

Unfortunately, she doesn't realize that in order to be a "better catch" you actually have to do things that make you a "better catch"; not just talk about it.

[–]JohnPeel 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What she's actually thinking is "he might be better than me".

The thought process goes like this:

  • I'm pretty right?
  • I surely must be pretty.
  • But am I pretty enough for him?
  • Well... I don't know about that...
  • ALERT ALERT HAMSTER SHIELD ACTIVATED
  • He can't be better than me, he must be average otherwise he'd leave me right?
  • Yes, he's surely average!
  • ALERT CANCELLED, FEELINGS RESTORED

Listen, being called average is high praise from a woman because of this.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait. If she's an 8 in the face with a nice body and nice tits, why is she a 6/10? Is she exceptionally dumb or annoying?

Anyway, I agree with your post. Just to add on, women are delusional and think way too highly of themselves. Each one thinks they are special. She probably thinks that any of the top 1% or so would love to have her as a wife.

[–]ionforge 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it was just a shit test.

[–]GillWillPill 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And it was failed. Why does he care what she thinks is ideal? I am guessing he is just having sex with her, not establishing a relationship.

The only reason his ears perked was because it hurt his ego. Enough that he needed to tell us why he is above average, going so far as to talk about dick size. You don't need to be his or hers definition of above average to pull chicks, especially 6/10s. It makes it a lot easier though.

You can take a step back and realize it doesn't matter what she thinks. He is getting sex, she is getting sex. She can have all the justifications in the world and he won't be there when she hits the wall.

The cards are stacked against me? Great, I love a challenge!

[–]colucci 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy shit.

70% of OP's post is basically bragging and patting himself on the back.

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True... but what you expect? It's TRP. We strive to be narcissist here. It's one of the fundamental dark triad principles.

[–]tabularaja 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why the hell do you care so much what this girl thinks. This, in my opinion, is a brag post. It adds literally nothing to the general conversation besides adding this girl's opinion to the mix.

You even said yourself that prettier girls thought higher of you. This post is nothing more than you seeking to get community support to reinforce your own insecurity, threatened by a girl who out witted you.

[–]1theoctopuss[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw this as an opportunity to see what this chick was thinking. I have already fucked this girl several times and would ignore her shit, until she said that I was "average."

I didn't give a shit about failing any tests, being as there are hundreds of thousands of other chick's who would most likely be down. I saw it as an opportunity to find out what she felt about men.

I just see it as more proof of the hamster and the entitlement of the women in most of the first world.

[–]1nzgs 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The comments to that blog are extremely blue pill. Notice how many of them take no interest in self-improvement, their attitude is to attack the system itself and insult people who value physical attractiveness. Essentially they are all losers and the "we are all beautiful" groupthink keeps them in a state of denial. And the men are as bad as the women at this sort of thing. They somehow think appealing to pity and sympathy will get them female attention.

[–]bertmaklinFBI 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are the reason she feels entitled.

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[–]Waldo00 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to play devils advocate. She may have just been trying to cut you down to make herself feel better. I mean you fucked her then ignored her. She probably felt like a slut and you represented that she was just a sex object. Once she felt this she tried to bring you down to where she may be able to have a bit more.

[–]Carbone 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What she's saying is :

" i made the decision to not be in a relationship with you because I decide it too, no way you put me in that decision I choose it myself like a strong independent women. I choose to not be in a relationship because since you don't let me be in one with you, you must be average [ or maybe it's me ?!? Nahhh I got a pretty face]. If i would had choose to be in a relationship I would be with a guy like this this this but I settle for you !!! You see how I'm nice with you !!!!!! Please let me be your GF ?!?!?! Oopsy."

[–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Math-challenged women definitely don't know what "average" means. Look at online profiles of women who say their body type is "average". It is code for obese, these days. And, hmmm.... maybe in the US that IS average.

[–]Philhelm 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I probably would have said, "If I ever come across that guy I'll give him your number. Better text me a nude pic so that I can advertise on your behalf. Now suck my cock."

[–]Rooi_Aap 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah man, with bait like that it would have been so easy to break frame. Amused mastery with a little dread. Laughingly say: "Fuck off, I banged hotter chicks that spew less shit than you, I have got shit to do, so let me take you home"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Had this happened to me, I wouldn't even bother asking about my average-ness at all (don't care about that). Take it like a shit test (regardless of intent). You know what they say when women say something and then think something else? It's as if all that blue-eyes, height, pretty face, financial status whatever that she's talking about is meaningless to her. I read it as: "I'll tell him I have a higher SMV than him, then call him average, so I can put him on the defensive."

I might've reacted on the periphery of this.

[–]averageredditor123 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's partially because there are so many clean cut, handsome nice guys with decent jobs that they are lumped together and it's hard to stand out. That's why the freaks with long hair and tattoos get laid so much in comparison.

[–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Next time nuke the hamster and tell her she's not Swedish, twenty years old, a supermodel, fit or can cook as well as Ramsey. Oh, and she doesn't have a lingerie/perfume business either.

[–]rangamatchstick 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe but dont say it like that, would seem like you had been rustled badly.

[–]cmiovino 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I laughed at this post. It's a great post, but the girl... I mean... seriously. Epic fail.

[–]LeGrandDiableBlanc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are two ways to think about this.

You can take what she says at face value, and conclude that it is not uncommon for even average girls to have absurdly overinflated self perceptions. Not entirely false.

You can also look at the fact that, despite whatever 'issues' or 'shortcomings' she was able to hamster up about you, she let you take her home and bang her, and toss her out in less than 45 minutes.

It doesn't matter what she says. When/if she settles down with a beta she will hamster rationalize to herself why he really meets all of the standards she had all along. If anything, like others have said she is just throwing out dis-qualifiers to rationalize to herself why she is getting pumped and dumped so plainly. "I'm not an average nobody who can only get the attention of men I like for the 30 minutes we're in the act of banging, he isn't good enough for me."

[–]rashnull 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"So...what makes you think you even deserve average? What have you ever accomplished or struggled for?"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

And here I stand as a 5'2" Asian man. Looks like I don't stand a fucking chance.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You do. Just make sure in every group of women some see you get a woman and others see you toss her aside. It's social proof both ways: they'll herd to you because they see one go for you and they'll herd to you because they see you can toss one or two aside with no care because she's low-value.

Women are stupid, capitalize on that.

[–]VegasHostTre 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When will we learn to stop listening to women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman once told me: "you gotta do curls if you wanna get girls"

I think it might be a good idea for most men to listen to her there.

[–]littlemissmoxie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP screws superficial bitch then is surprised when she acts like one? Girls like her dont have a mouth filter. They just say shit because they've gotten away with it their entire lives.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and that folks is why a women like that will only ever be a fuck buddy to you, and never a real girlfriend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually think posts like these are a way for some men to hamster in order to justify their hyper-masculine, Utopian self-improvement program, or in order to puff themselves up after they have been castrated by a girl (you talk a lot about your dick in this post for some reason).

I am all about improving oneself, but not if it is to achieve SMV or some other theoretical end point or to mold oneself to another's preference or to quell one's anxiety or insecurities.

How old is this girl?

I am guessing under 23 and has no real perspective in this world. I've never dated or fucked a girl this insolent or irritating.

Why do you, if you're trying to be the best man you could be?

[–]pupplenupple 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got negged. A neg targetting RMV not SMV.

[–]2Sepean 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just the dating variant of wannabe American Idol applicants. They really think they'll be popstars, but they can't sing for shit and they took that job at McDonalds.

[–]ChrisBenRoy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My favorite part was where she said her perfect man had to be "ripped" but she's 130 pounds at 5'5''.

[–]malignantbacon 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assuming your story is a complete account: When she was talking about herself she spoke about her looks and when she was talking about you, she talked about everything. Relatively speaking. It's interesting how different scopes are when discussing ideal partners.

Part of me wishes you had asked her why a guy like that would ever consider dating a girl like her.

[–]deadlee_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dream on, cunt.

[–]Darkone06 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is an episode in Burn Notice when they are trying to con Mike into doing some bussiness in Cuba but he tells them sorry and walks away.

At the moment the nerarator comes on and says something along the lines of, sometimes they best way to show your power is by being willing to walk away and to demostrate your ability to walk away you simply need to walk away.

I wish I coud find that clip but I have always taken that line to heart.

[–]OKJaded 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh. I wouldn't put up with that.

I'm average? waves hand slowly in front of her face Are you on drugs? Did you hit your head today?

Anything other then her rescinding the comment leads to my average ass kicking her out. OkJaded enthusiasts only. If I'm your beige Corolla you need not apply.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of women do think they're entitled to a higher quality of man than they deserve. That said, I've known a few guys with that attitude, too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One possibility that you fail to consider is that she was making a ham-handed attempt to manipulate you. What she said sounds like a text-book neg. It could be that she wants a relationship, so she's trying to raise her value in your eyes by making it seem like you're not all that great to her because she's been fucked by higher-value men, even if she hasn't. I wouldn't take what she says at face value.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Next time tell her money can't buy a big dick. I'm kind of jealous to be honest.

[–]87GNX 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was on OKtrends. Basically, women right the 80th percentile guy as "average" and then message the 50th percentile guy. Guys rate the 50th percentile girl as "average" and then message the 80th percentile girl.

So guys have a realistic perception of shit but aim for the top, while girls have an incredibly skewed perception but somehow aim for the middle anyway while rationalizing it as them going way below their standards.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well the Lifetime channel needs some viewers. So when she hits 40, she'll be a part of their viewing demograhic. Use her like the disposable tissue she is.

[–]chillmonkey88 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder what she thinks of the other 80%?

[–]someguysomewhere321 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In the developing world you can be ugly, dress like white trash and make 25k a year and still get with a 6. Naturally she'll try to make you her beta provider, but branch swinging isn't socially approved.

It's time to globalize ( or to move out of SoCal ).

[–]watersign 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is SoCal That tough?? i just moved here..it cant be any worse than the northeast..can it?

[–]someguysomewhere321 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Enough 1 percenters around to make lots of girls think they can get with one.

[–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Entitled western women think that if you aren't Christian Grey, you're average.

All you need to do is look like Steve Cook and have the fame and wallets of Mark Zuckerberg.

[–]kevkos 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This chick sounds suuuuper shallow and annoying, and given that you said she's a 6/10, why are you wasting any time? If you're being honest, it sounds like you could do a lot better. Why lower your standards, just to get laid?

[–]wheelssss 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She says "Well, you're just average. You have a car, a good job, you're in shape, just things that an average guy would be. Except for your dick. That's the only thing that makes you kinda above average." I asked her what would make me really above average. She says "Well if you were really rich (she's thinking multimillions), if you were 6'5, if you were this and that and..." She basically described a top 0.00001% type of guy.

http://youtu.be/2V7TcSr9GiM?t=7m12s

[–]goddafindbettername 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is nice to see how you resisted going down the "Why am I inadequate for this girl"-lane and just realized how unbased her assumptions are.

If I may add a small detail for further situations like that: Agree and amplify. Like "Yes, I am just an average guy - and you, a beautiful and ultra-feminine hot woman (well, maybe drop the ultra) fucks that very average guy. It would be best you get out there to meet all those above-average guys earning 500k lurking in every corner of every city. Don't wanna hold you back with me being so average."

Say it with a sleazy, teasing grin and you are golden.

[–]marty2k 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men view women's attractiveness to what they know they can get in real life. A hot, billionaire superstar will base you off of the supermodels he has access too, a fairly hot guy will hold women to the pretty hot women he fucks on the regular. The average guy will base you off the fairly cute ex he had in high school and that one time he fucked a 7/10 and got stage fright with. The ugly loser will put any woman under 250lbs on a pedestal.

Women view men's attractiveness based on all men. You may be ripped and hot, but you're not Channing Tatum. You may have a real good job and a nice car, but you're not a multi millionaire. You're tall, but not 6'5". This is why we see really fat women on Tinder putting "must be 6' and fit". Women will be realistic and not only hold out for .1% guys, but they will still hold you to that standard.

[–]swordfish1985 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I asked the same question to one of my girl and she gave me a description of above average and told me that it would be a movie star, WTF? I made a cold eye contact, she giggled and reached for my hand at started caressing. I think women do not know what they want in looks department, a study done in London says women want a feminine guy and not hunk. I think they were probably talking about LTR or marriage :)

[–]FaustoRMD 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Prostitutes of the world, thanks for exist.

[–]VarsitySlutTeamCpt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She probably tried to bait you OP. Taking her home was the best answer you could possibly give. You definitely not see her for a while, let her think for her own she's being spoiled by you.

[–]sniffsen 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a weak attack on your confidence. Classic move, seen many times.

[–]CriticalThink -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She'll keep chasing that fantasy until she's not.

[–]CapnDancyPants -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

God I fucking hate "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" . Seriously fuck off. Most condescending shit ever. Stopped reading there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

so, you basically read the whole thing?

[–]CapnDancyPants -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I had actually finished it before I even registered the indignation. I was just being a dick about "stopped there". It was pretty good. It's just that bootstraps shit has got to be the most annoying and irritating thing in the entire world. It's like "let them eat cake" kind of bullshit.

What, do rich folks have magic bootstraps that make them float when they tug up on them against their feet? Like what the fuck? That's like saying "go stick your head up your ass". Oh, I'm supposed to take that as sincere advice?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everyone has their little things that irritate them, trust me I get it. Your's just happens to be a little sillier than others. Fortunately, I very rarely hear the expression so hopefully you don't hear it much either.

[–]CapnDancyPants 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right?

Another forum yeilded this gold:

It's like telling someone to stand in a bucket and pull up on the handle

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry but I definitely don't think this happened.

I'm sick of hearing field reports where the girls say 'Well he has to be tall, and never go bald, and be rich etc.'

These are just things we think women want. We feel insecure if we aren't tall or we're going bald. I'm sorry, but women don't talk like this. Yeah they may think like this, but they don't openly talk like this at all. I'd bet my life this didn't happen

[–]watersign 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

As someone whose about 5'6 and can get girls, i completely believe OP story. I have to put in alot more effort to get girls and alot of girls tell me im hot..but its still a bitch cause im not 6'2. ...and btw i have a big cock. it doesnt make a difference to girls..i literally am chad thundercock but since im not tall it makes things more difficult.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I know girls prefer tall guys. I know girls prefer guys with good hairlines. I know girls prefer rich guys.

I also know that women don't talk like this and say things to another guy like "Well if you were really rich (she's thinking multimillions), if you were 6'5, if you were this and that and..." or "Well he has to be, like, really rich. Definitely not going to go bald, ever. He has to be tall, handsome, and be ripped-" she giggled to herself here "-and he has to have a wild side. Oh, and he has to be nice and blah blah blah."

It's like really? Did she say that to ya? Did she giggle to herself? It's also such a cliche'

It's like he's just making some shit up and going 'See! AWALT' but it's obviously made up, and we just want to believe it so it can fuel our hatred even more.

[–]watersign 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol..fuel hatred..those who are truly red pill are past the stage of wasting energy on getting mad. being objective means accepting reality by observing and adjusting accordingly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Than I guess the people believing this post aren't truly red pill

[–]jamest0001 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you.

However i feel this is a slight brag post on your part?

Another thing most girls would not prefer a 6'5 guy over a 6' guy. Or am i wrong in this?

[–]wolfman86 -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking hell, people still think like this??? :D Do you live in a cave and carry a bow and arrow, OP ??? :D

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