Red Pill Example70% of men aged 20-34 aren't married. 50% never will (self.TheRedPill)

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"The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. 'It’s very, very depressing," Crouse told CNSNews.com.

"Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness," Crouse said. "But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past."

Ah, brings a smile to my face. Standing ovation for the American men smartening up. Also, the comments on the article are absolute gold.

[–]2popthatpill 201 points202 points  (31 children)

The problem is very simple: women don't want to get married in their 20s because the carousel is too much fun. Women only want to get married when they see their SMV declining and they want to lock in the best prospect they can before their SMV declines much further. So it doesn't matter how marriageable 20-something men are: women of appropriate age simply aren't interested in getting married and forgoing the fun of the carousel. Marriage is dead for 20-somethings because women simply aren't interested.

Men, however, have gradually started asking themselves: why should I be the backup plan for some used-up ex-slut who didn't get what she really wanted? Why should I pay for used goods that used to be given away free when they were new? Not to mention how the law encourages divorce assraping. So, not surprisingly, men are declining marriage altogether.

So, if marriage is dying, it's dying in the 20s because of women (not interested because carousel), and dying in the 30s because of men (not interested because AFBB and divorce).

[–]GREF_ 72 points73 points  (12 children)

If I'm going to make the kind of commitment that marriage is I deserve to enjoy my wife during her blooming 20's.

[–]we_kill_creativity 31 points32 points  (11 children)

Exactly this. I'm 25, don't know if I'll get married. And even if I did it realistically wouldn't be until I'm about 30 for all the reasons listed above. So, if I do get married when I'm 30 it won't be with a 30 year old woman. Fuck that, I'd only marry a girl in her early to mid twenties, aiming low. Watch that start to happen a lot more and then watch society start shaming men like me.

[–]FilthyCasual316 39 points40 points  (4 children)

29 here. I used to say the exact same thing about waiting until 30. Now that it's on the horizon, I think I'm pushing it back to "never." Tons of very serious financial/legal risk from divorce, which in this day and age outweighs the unlikely potential reward. Statistics bear this out.

[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (1 child)

Yeah... if you're the kind of guy a girl wants to marry, you're the kind of guy who has a lot to lose from getting married.

[–]lag_rvp 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I could only upvote this once, if I could upvote it more I'd do it until my mouse broke. Very very spot on observation.

[–]widec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I get married it won't be with a Canadian girl. If I'm taking on that much risk, I want to at least get a citizenship somewhere which the climate isn't fucking awful.

[–]vakerr 40 points41 points  (2 children)

If I couldn't have the kitten, I don't want the cat.

"Where are all the men?" "Right where you left them, back in your twenties."

[–]Skank_of_America 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That reminds me of a gif I saw online. It asked, Where have all the good men gone? YO' ASS PUT THEM ALL IN THE FRIEND ZONE.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 16 points17 points  (1 child)

dying in the 30s because of men

Men in their 30's, with decent Game and ascending SMV, can crank up the pussy carousel. They're the shit now, with zero incentive to lock down damaged goods of equivalent age range. They might have bit the marriage bait back in their mid-20's when they were young and thirsty, but they've wizened up.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ironic...we're forced to wait for so long that we finally realize the thing we wanted isn't worth the trouble, and that's exactly when we're supposed to jump back on the bandwagon.

[–]Day_man2020 8 points9 points  (3 children)

You're absolutely right. From an economics perspective marriage has nothing to offer men anymore.

In the old days there were several incentives.

  1. In the days before rampant premarital sex we had the incentive of regular sexual gratification

  2. Housework really was a way bigger deal before electric power and other modern conveniences so keeping a household was actually a pretty big incentive that women offered going into marriage

  3. Large families were a productive asset especially in agrarian communities

These incentives are pretty much entirely null and void

  1. Premarital sex and hookup culture has eliminated pussy as a real marriage incentive "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"

  2. Modern technology has eliminated the drudgery of housekeeping, as an electrician every time I run my vacuum cleaner I imagine the poor saps hanging carpets and beating them with brooms to clean them. Also spring cleaning used to entail scrubbing your house top to bottom to clean out the layers of soot that would accumulate on the walls and ceilings through the winter from the hearth, candles and oil lamps... Yummy

  3. The modern world of work has turned a large family into a liability, people often have to move around for better job opportunities so having a large family (or any really) modern children are generally not productive members of the family so children can be thought of as a liability (from an economic perspective) in modern times rather than the asset they were in times of old

Do your own cost/benefit analysis, for men, really no incentive which is why the "alarming" statics that 70% of men 20-34 aren't married and 50% won't ever.

[–]Magnum256 491 points492 points  (27 children)

Disagree with your statement about women becoming lonely and unable to get married. Women can go into survival mode if they're desperate, they can temporarily become submissive and hyper sexual and find a lonely beta who will think she's "the one" after she gives him a blowjob. Once the marriage happens she'll just go 180 back to her original self and know that she has the law and social system on her side and will basically be set.

[–]Tqbfjotlds 66 points66 points [recovered]

This is exactly what I think the current swath of anti-feminist women are about. They see that feminism is driving men away, so they will pretend to be anti-feminist, while enjoying all the privileges that the law provides.

[–]fuck_da_haes 75 points76 points  (13 children)

This needs to be higher. Also that's why there is a several years long vetting period (at least for redpillers).

[–]2Overkillengine 75 points76 points  (10 children)

Years? Think forever vetting. Never marry- keep her on good behavior since she knows at least subconsciously you can walk at any point then.

[–]fuck_da_haes 16 points17 points  (9 children)

I come from a somewhat traditional family (not a single divorce!), this will not fly forever for some us, doesn't mean I will marry without knowing what I can expect from her plus prenuptial agreement (am not from US, prenups work here).

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

What countries do prenups work in? This is valuable information!

[–]fuck_da_haes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I come from european post-communist country, that's as far as I'm willing to go (because doxxing fucks from srs)

[–]orographic 50 points51 points  (7 children)

I see a lot of posts from dudes in the anger bitterness stage think they are getting comfort that "women will get what they deserve when they hit the wall." The reality is most women are going to get their cake and eat it too. They will ride the cock carousel when they are young then lock down a beta provider.

[–]redzorp 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Yup. Seen it many times with my own eyes. There is always a beta simp to scrape post-walls sluts off the floor and take care of them. Always!

Knew one former MILF, now 60, she used to be a bit of a white nationalist (not full-on KKK) who only wanted to date white guys in their 20s. She played that game well into her mid 40s, despite being a divorcee with 3 kids and a couple of grand kids. She was definitely hot up to age 45 but then crashed into the wall big time thereafter.

Long story short, at 60 the former white nationalist cougar converts to Mormonism, marries an obese 70-year old black guy (retired engineer with good income) and is now sealed for life to her "soul mate" with their matching magical underwear (That last bit is a Mormon thing, google it).

That's why the vast majority of homeless are men. As a man, you ARE ON YOUR OWN. No one is gonna take care of you. Women, on the other hand, can always find a provider - whether that's a man, the government or numerous charity shelters or services.

[–]HeadingRed 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Can we get this into a movie?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You need to wait for that honeymoon phase to wear off before you really know who you're with... Don't get married until you've really seen their worst (better yet. Don't get married)

[–]SMEGMA_CHEESE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. Happened to me. The only difference is I pursued her heavily until she eventually caved. And turned out to be a nightmare.

[–]AnotherLostCause 357 points358 points  (108 children)

Couldnt have anything to do with a shortage of women who are worthy of marriage.

[–]cock_pussy_up 329 points330 points  (47 children)

If you don't want to marry an obese, ugly, bitchy, middle aged single mother with a truckload of baggage from past relationships, then you're an immature peter pan manchilde in a state of perpetual adolescence.

[–]ITravelin_Man 106 points106 points [recovered]

Yeah, man up! Be a real man!

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 140 points141 points  (10 children)

Pretty sure thats what they told 18 year old boys before sending them to die in world war one. If someone says man up you should probably man down.

[–]walkingmydog 81 points82 points  (9 children)

British women during WW1 would give young men a white feather if they had not enlisted, the white feather was a way of calling the man a coward. Now that's a cruel shit test if ever I've seen one.

[–]CornyHoosier 55 points56 points  (2 children)

I read that online. There were many instances of them giving our white feathers to men who were in the military but were just on leave.

Bitches gonna bitch

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I'm all for an equal number of women dying in the next war. I assume the feminists will back me up in the name of equality?

< / sarc >

[–]nrjk 5 points6 points  (0 children)


"There's too Many Women Dying in War:

We Need to Teach Enemies Not to Enemy"

War: Solved forever

[–]I-Am-Dickish 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Die or shame. Take your pick.

[–]PixelMagic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shame. The only way you can be shamed is if you give a shit what others think in the first place.

[–]foldpak111 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'd staple it to my t shirt and wear it everywhere like a badge of honor. So cute when the matrix and everyone brainwashed by it try to shame me into bossing other countries around. If the government is so big and bad why are they asking me for help? Sounds like I'm the big man tbh

[–]tropicalpolevaulting 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shit son, I consider myself a man but I'm not Captain Ahab...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After a year away from my parents home i came back for holidays and spent 2 weeks with my feminist mother. My RP behavior didn't fit well.

"You STFU and obey me because I am your MOTHER, I am OLDER, and I am a WOMAN". She then proceeded to yell at the whole family (there was only males here) that we all must bow down and shut up in front of a woman "to say something obvious", finishing her yelling session by "man up, where have all the good men gone?".

[–]Jaereth 65 points65 points [recovered]

Yeah. One time, on a online dating profile, I wrote something along the lines of "sorry, i'm not interested in dating girls with kids"

The shit storm of messages I got were pretty savage. Some were hilarious. Sorry, i'm not going to play daddy to little DaQwan.

I think the article is people starting to realize, the media always paints it that your lucky she is your wife. Sleeping with her is getting lucky and such. In reality, I think the game is shifting to where going into your 30's, if you are a good looking man with a successful career you are definitely in the drivers seat. Suddenly, all the women staring down the wall are wanting your time.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Sorry, i'm not going to play daddy to little DaQwan.


But I need money though. I know he called you an asshole and kicked a hole in the wall, but I need $3500 money for his orthodontistry.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Am I the only one who finds the comparison between lovers and fathers creepy!? I can't be the only one

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, I did this back in the day. What occurred was fucking amazing. Single mom's would message me all pissed off, and I'd write the hot ones back with a simple, "maybe I'll make an exception in your case."

I had like a 75% bang-on-the-first-date success rate with these women.

[–]Knight_of_autumn 47 points47 points [recovered]

Does any guy look back on their life as a teenager and think "man, that time really sucked! The lack of responsibility, the ability to stay up all night and not be exhausted the next day, the weekend parties at friends' houses, and parents taking care of us just SUCKED!"?

I am enjoying my life and ability to do and buy whatever I want, but I hardly think poorly of my adolescense, so I fail to see how this is insulting.

I see this whole "peter pan complex" talk going around like someone saying "stop being so young and carefree! Stop having fun! Why aren't you boring and miserable? Man up and hate your life already!"

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (8 children)

While I'm married and therefore immune to most of those silly comments about peter pan complex, I completely agree with your assessment. I think a lot of people make these sorts of comments from a place of resentment.

If you're a single, fun-loving and fun-having man, you are thumbing your nose at their life decisions. Your life looks like a lot more fun than theirs, so they have to either accept that it's possible they fucked up or they have to find a way to undermine your lifestyle. Chiding you for not growing up is really a form of self-talk; they are convincing themselves that they possess some form of moral superiority for choosing the wife, kids, and minivan.

[–]CornyHoosier 5 points6 points  (1 child)

If you're a single, fun-loving and fun-having man, you are thumbing your nose at their life decisions. Your life looks like a lot more fun than theirs, so they have to either accept that it's possible they fucked up or they have to find a way to undermine your lifestyle.

Thank you! I've never understood this mentality. Why can't we both be happy that we made good decisions for ourselves? I have a couple friends who are my age and are constantly giving me shit for traveling and living the "bachelor life".

Honestly, they look miserable to me. As if they are acting out a part in a play that they never really wanted.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As if they are acting out a part in a play that they never really wanted.

Sadly, for a lot of men, that's because they are.

[–]GhostOfAladdin 2 points2 points [recovered]

My experiences confirm this form of self talk. Interesting, I hadnt verbalized this way, though.

I have a flexible job, own place, workout and have fun almost every night. Sometimes while out, girls call me a "loser." Didn't realize they were referring to themselves. Ha!

[–]CornyHoosier 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It's a shit test. Call them on it (you may already).

"Yea, I'm a loser all right! A loser with a nice place, good career & a fun life. Woe is me! Whatever shall I do?"

[–]1DRMMR76 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spot on. And I totally agree with the reply that it's based on resentment that you're not fitting into the useful idiot role society expects you to play. From the guys, it's resentment that you made better decisions and they realize that you're living a life they wish they still had. They look back on their college years or mid 20's with fondness, but know that in the midst of working 50 hours a week, dealing with kids and a shrew wife, they will never feel that enjoyment again. From women it's the idea that you've wised up to the scheme and you're not going to be that provider Beta they put all that time into training you to be.

Being called a man-child is not an insult if you know what it means. You get the best of both worlds. You can play and enjoy yourself like a child, but with the power and freedom an adult has. You're not playing army with fake guns or camping in your backyard now. You can actually go hunting, shooting or camping in the wilderness. You're not playing with your big-wheel, you're out riding a real motorcycle. You're not playing with Legos, you're actually building a computer or restoring a classic car, maybe building your own furniture. You're enjoying yourself like a child, but with real things in real life on your terms. And you can devote 100% of your time and resources to that pursuit.

You don't need to work a job you hate just to pay for your wife's student loans and her kid's dentist appointment, soccer camp, or college fund. You don't need to worry about a kid breaking your 60" TV or hearing your wife tell you "you can't buy that with 'our' money". You can work a job you actually find rewarding, and use that time and money on other things you enjoy, all while spinning plates when and if you feel like it.

And the funny thing is, it's the women of this age that enable it. You can't spin plates without women who are willing to be plates. Their own hyper-sexual lifestyles are the very thing that lets us have sex when we want without all the drama and stress of the legal contract. I think they resent that it's fun for us too. They want to ride the CC because they enjoy it, but hate the fact that the cock they're riding with no commitment is also enjoying it. And when they find out that when they're ready to chain some poor guy down when they're 30 that no guy wants to be chained down, they get bitter. Solipsism 101. They see the world through their own lens and believe that's all there is. If they had fun in their 20s but want to be married when they're 30, you damn well better be willing to do that too. The knowledge that our Wall is a good couple of decades further down the road than theirs is an eternal thorn in their side.

[–]Evolved_Red 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Or a paedophile who can't handle a 'real' woman when you've got an 18/19 year old woman hanging off your arm.

[–]Kharn0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As joining Tinder has taught me, the majority of women are barely identifiable as women, through all the fat. Not to mention all the "I want to be your princess" tag lines. Meanwhile I'm trying to get my six pack on so I gave up drinking and eat less so I'm never satisfied, hit the gym 4+ days a week and save money.

[–]pennypuptech 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Completely agree. No where in there is there any mention of women adapting to 'new marriage.' This is what I find the most hilarious:

And their prospects, if they are not sexually promiscuous, are really low because the guys, if they can sleep around, they’re not interested in going with the girls who don’t put out.

HAH! You're right article owner, marrying promiscuous girls is at the top of my list.

The women who do get married to the right man, are the ones who have got things going on themselves. Good jobs & passionate about their career, well-mannered, and you know... all the other things that go in to it.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 8 points9 points  (0 children)

[–]TypicalBetaNeckbeard 31 points32 points  (51 children)

And the abundance of worthy women in Asia, Europe or South America.

[–]Sfwonlynow 44 points45 points  (48 children)

I would not recommend western or northern Europe. Can't comment on the eastern parts of it though.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 63 points64 points  (46 children)

Find a village girl (preferably farmer) in eastern europe and thats as close to a Unicorn as you'll get in this world.

You're deluded (edit: and posting jpgs from a museum).

So deluded I cba to even start explaining why.

Source: Eastern European guy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorHarleyWalker 65 points66 points  (24 children)

They're deluded about asian and south american girls too.

[–]LuvBeer 36 points37 points  (21 children)

Western-style values are globalized now. I've had plates from Viet Nam, Africa, and South America who were just as neo-feminist as any American.

[–]cynwrig 24 points25 points  (11 children)

I've been to shantytowns in third world countries. Once I heard something unsettlingly familiar and peeked in. What did I see? Little girls gathered around a TV with a satellite feed watching iCarly on Disney Channel.

So forget it guys. The poison has been cropdusted everywhere.

[–]Truebluehere 16 points17 points  (10 children)

Shit, so this is what the Muslims were trying to prevent.

[–]through_a_ways 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've repeatedly praised Muslims on here, and always gotten shit for it.

Most people just can't understand until it's too late.

[–]through_a_ways 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Western-style values are globalized now.

Pretty much. This is how the (human) world ends.

Oh well, at least Chimps (non-bonobo ones) are still pretty RP

[–]JovianTrainWreck 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Western-style values are globalized now. I've had plates from Viet Nam, Africa, and South America who were just as neo-feminist as any American.

This is the shit I was afraid of. I've wanted a stab at a non-westernized woman for as long as I've been to TRP, but as time goes by, the number of them fade. I suspect it's not difficult to find this type of woman outside the US for now, but by the time I'm financially capable it might be a different story. I hope I'm wrong.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8 points9 points  (1 child)

A lot of first-gen Asian immigrants still have strong cultural values. They're nowhere near as bad as Western women.

[–]bustanutmeow 2 points3 points  (14 children)

Come one, Id be interested in knowing. I thought eastern euro would have been a good choice.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 44 points45 points  (8 children)

Internet, social media, TV and AWALT. Think about it.

Seriously, if you want an 'unspoiled' woman, you need to go tribal somewhere deep in the Amazon jungle, because 'Eastern Europe' is not what you imagine it to be.

And your tribal jungle woman will be a branch-swinging gold digger too, because it's in their programming.

[–]RedPillScare 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Eddie Murphy did a hilarious bit on marrying a jungle woman.

[–]bustanutmeow 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Yeah, Fair point. I didnt think the Internet and western social programming would have gone that far yet.

[–]1grendalor 32 points33 points  (4 children)

It's everywhere people have phones that access the internet -- which is almost everywhere in 2015.

Guys need to stop trying to find the place where "women are not like that" -- they are all like that. All of them. And they all know what opportunities exist for women in the West due to the internet. They all envy this, because they all want to ride alpha cock -- all of them. You're not going to find the golden unicorn -- accept that women are like that, and be the cock that they want to ride, and not the guy looking in vain for a unicorn girl who doesn't exist. Accept how women are, adapt accordingly, and profit.

[–]frenchthowaway 27 points28 points  (3 children)


I am an immigrant from Easter europe (Ukraine)

I actually grew up on a farm, and I watched our village evolve.

As times passed many people started working ilegally in the EU (mostly construction work) and come back with euros (even if underpaid exchange rate made them earn more)

Most teenagers nowadays even in a farm/classic village (with pigs, goats etc) will have mobile phones and internet access.

You'd literally see teenagers gathering in a group with their phones and stuff while waiting for the cows to take them back to their parents. (pastor brings all cows at edge of village, kids usually escort them to their house)

Times are changing brother.

[–]bustanutmeow 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That is really cool, And also really crazy. I got a mental picture of that and it really blows my mind.

[–]CornyHoosier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like growing up in small town Indiana.

I left that hole in the wall, went and made a career, life and money for myself. Whenever I go back people just look at what I have with their mouths agape.

In bigger cities I'm just another tiny fish.

[–]Locastor 197 points198 points  (25 children)

The entitlement and shaming language apparent in the quotes is just hilariously off-base (as usual):

“It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”

Interesting how this could easily be applied to the hamsters who are literally eating shit for $20k/weekend, but Janice Shaw Crouse knows where the blame lies:

“And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands. And that means less romance. They don’t date. The girls, I have talked to numerous young women, lament the fact that they don’t have the opportunity to dress up and go out for an event.”

Literal BP lies in that last line, too. I know I'm not alone in this sub when I say I was taught that flowers and dinner and being respectful was the appropriate way to date women, and it led to years of frustration before the manosphere taught me it was actually coffee and cheeky banter and fucking her like a worthless whore that women actually find exciting in a man.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Well healthy marriages are good for society. The problem is, most current marriages aren't healthy because women are not holding up their end of the deal.

[–]loddfavne 39 points40 points  (9 children)


Women can shame men, but I've seen more and more men just being able to do what they want without being ashamed for who they are.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 63 points63 points [recovered]

Yea. A man can walk down the street with a beer gut and still feel awesome about himself, not caring what the world thinks and he is still happy. On the contrary a woman will need 3 hours of preparation just to get out of home and if no one pays attention she gets depressed.

[–]ITravelin_Man 36 points36 points [recovered]

I see plenty of girls that don't care for their appearance. In public in their pajamas. Really girls.

[–]no_respond_to_stupid 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I am seeing this pajama wearing nonsense in the young too (both men and women). It's bizarre.

[–]weirdnamedindian 24 points25 points  (5 children)

I always knew coffee and a cheeky banter got the girlies wet for me. This was me naturally.

What I didn't know was that I had to fuck them like a whore. Thanks to the Manosphere, I now know

[–]AlphaJesus 16 points17 points  (2 children)

You should do rp infomercials brah

[–]weirdnamedindian 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I used to work in media. I just might one day haha

[–]Smooovies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hire me when you do! Not even kidding.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"And knowing is 1/2 the battle!"

"G. I. JOEEEE!!"

[–]MGHOW_ATL 17 points18 points  (2 children)

“And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands. And that means less romance. They don’t date. The girls, I have talked to numerous young women, lament the fact that they don’t have the opportunity to dress up and go out for an event.”

Last 4 women I asked out said "Yes" to my face but went ghost when I tried to call or text. Doesn't seem like women are pining for opportunities to go out, other than with the predictable top 20% men......

[–]blandboringusername 13 points13 points [recovered]

the hamsters who are literally eating shit for $20k/weekend[1] ,

Jesus, this made me laugh. $25K, but they have to "receive". Oh boy. Those are some sporty girls.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the old joke:

Man: Will you fuck me for $1-million?

Woman: Sure!

Man: OK, will you fuck me for $10?

Woman: No! What do you think I am?!?!

Man: We've already established what you are, darling, now we're just haggling over the price.

[–]Smooovies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yo, that link has me in tears.

[–][deleted] 119 points120 points  (12 children)

You could be running a hundred orphanages, schools and businesses, but you'd still be considered "immature" and "adolescent" because you refuse to entertain the idea of rings and diapers.

Immature = whatever women don't like.

[–]Tqbfjotlds 68 points68 points [recovered]

I had a conversation just this weekend with a woman who said that men are cowards if they don't agree to get married. She was serious. Can you imagine, such people have the power to vote.

[–]GREF_ 32 points33 points  (1 child)

You should have pointed out that 70-80% of divorces are initiated by women, so actually it's the women who are cowardly and lack commitment.

[–]2johnnight 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Guys, it's just shaming marketing. It's the same thing as "get a college degree or else you're certified stupid".

I know this propaganda can be annoying, but these people can not do you real harm. They are desperately trying to sell. You just have to say "sorry, I'm not buying it" and be stoic about it.

BTW, I have always wondered, why is it the men, who are traditionally proposing? Marriage is a cost to us and a benefit to women. Why aren't they the active side? Or maybe they are, but covertly.

[–]Tqbfjotlds 22 points22 points [recovered]

BTW, I have always wondered, why is it the men, who are traditionally proposing? Marriage is a cost to us and a benefit to women. Why aren't they the active side? Or maybe they are, but covertly.

The reason women break down is tears when a man proposes, is because she has been covertly trying to convince him to marry her. When he proposes, it is the successful culmination of her efforts. She feels relieved that her effort has paid off and now she can relax.

[–]BrunoOh 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Why do women smile when they get married? Because they no longer have to give you blowjobs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And because they have just won the lottery, gained a new tool. Men are like accessories for women. I swear I know a girl in college who entered a relationship with the alpha of college and she has a picture on facebook where they are together, the guy creepily holding her waist and she has a big smile which says "see girls? I'm the one who posseses him".

We are like fancy cars to them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Running from a battle you can't win isn't cowardice, this woman should read the art of war.

Oh wait, she is too busy browsing nexflix.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's true. Men never call other men immature. Now that I think about it. I've only heard that from upset women. Figures

[–]NevrEndr 60 points61 points  (13 children)

Its hilarious to me that one of the main reasons for getting married is financial stability. Stability for who? The woman of course.

Financial stability is the reason men should NOT get married.

Source: am married

[–]GREF_ 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Yeah pretty much all your money goes out the window and you sink into debt with marriage and especially kids right?

-debt from wedding

-debt from buying your wife the house she wanted

-debt from spending money on vacations and dinners for her

-then huge amounts of debt when the kids come into the picture.

[–]1independentmale 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Financial stability is the reason men should NOT get married.

Ain't that the fucking truth.

When I divorced, the courts gave her a significant portion of my income in child support. About the same as my house payment. Sucks, right? I was pissed until I sat down, did the math and realized it was a good thousand bucks less than she was consistently spending out of the joint account every month. The joke here is when you're divorced she only has access to half your paycheck.

Wives are so insanely fucking expensive, triply so if you have kids with them. Men who haven't been there can't even imagine.

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[–]MichiganManMatt 106 points106 points [recovered]

As a life long bachelor in my late 30's, watching all these "happy" homes shatter before my eyes reinforces the decisions I've made in my life pertaining to relationships. I used to feel like the fifth wheel around my married friends and was always envious of what I perceived as an ideal situation. I've watched three marriages dissolve in 2015 alone. I have become a beacon for my fallen brothers. They all look at my situation with envy now, and the ones that don't, soon will. I have a good job, a home with no mortgage, money in the bank, and everything a reasonable man could ever want including a stable of young 20-somethings. Life is deliriously good!

I have to thank the contributors to this sub-reddit for helping reinforce my lifestyle choices; Thank guys!

[–]Silas_Caliburn 37 points38 points  (4 children)

And 2015 isn't even three months old yet, wait until spring fever kicks in and even more will crumble.

[–]MichiganManMatt 31 points31 points [recovered]

I absolutely expect this. I know for a fact that one of the dissolved marriages was a direct result of monkey see, monkey do! This happened about three weeks ago, in a bar, when the topic of the latest divorce came up. In hindsight, it was obvious my friend's soon to be ex-wife was unhappy for a long time. She waited for the "perfect" opportunity to start emasculating him in front of all of his friends drawing parallels between our other divorced friends failed marriage and theirs, before storming out yelling; "I never loved you, I want a divorce, FUCK YOU!, don't come home". The bar is a small hole-in-the-wall type of place and EVERYONE noticed. The bartender threw his tab in the garbage and said drinks were on him. This was all over the most basic of shit that two adults should have no problems hashing out.

Anyways, he stayed with a friend for a few days after that night, living out of a back pack and sleeping on a couch. When he finally went home, it was empty of all her possessions and most of their shared possessions..even MAN'S BEST FRIEND! He loved that dog more than her I can tell you that much. That was the hardest part for him. The dog!

I honestly don't know what this bitch was thinking because she is maybe a 2 at best. The only thing she has going for her is they had no kids. If all men were Red Pill versed, this bitch would never, ever get laid again but if history tells us one thing, some beta will mush it in and around that hatchet wound thinking he just discovered the best thing since sliced bread!

[–]BigG123 11 points11 points [recovered]

We all strive for your situation

[–]MichiganManMatt 9 points9 points [recovered]

I truly wake up every morning and count my blessings.

[–]GREF_ 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Do you have any children?

Are you not worried about being lonely in your 60's?

Would love to hear everything you have to say about your life because I am currently going down the same path (currently 23 yrs/old). I plan on being single and childless forever and I would like more insight on this decision.

[–]MichiganManMatt 13 points13 points [recovered]

I imagine the possibility of finding someone later in life who I'd enjoy spending my time with and who meshes well with my personality, is fairly good. I'm a well-liked, easy to get along with person, so that helps expand my potential. I can't imagine being in my 60's pulling 20 or 30 somethings, although stranger things have happened. I'll definitely have to considered a more permanent situation as I get older. I do appear a good decade younger than I am, so that may help extend my game a bit. I'm in no rush though.

Also, I can't speak from experience because I'm not in this demographic yet, but I'd hope that empty-nesters and retiree's are a little more reasonable when it comes to egalitarian relationships. The way things are trending, woman will be holding all the cards 30 years from now anyways as they will have the majority of the 401k's and pensions(thanks affirmative action and feminism), so it may behoove me to play nice when the time comes. As for now, I'm playing the game as it's meant to be played.

As far as kids, I have one from when I was 15 who was adopted away and isn't in my life. He is doing exceptionally well as I watch him from afar. I don't communicate with, or have any responsibility towards him, but he may seek me out later in life which I would enjoy immensely. I also have a large family which includes about fifty 1st cousins, so I'll have a family even it's its not "mine".

Everyone's situation is different and what works for me may not work for you, so the important thing to remember is to never compromise on your own happiness. This doesn't mean you can't keep your lady happy if you choose the "expected" path, but this is your life and as far as we know, the only one you get. Stay happy first!

[–]nerdydesi 5 points5 points [recovered]

Think about the many older men and women whose kids just abandon them and throw them into nursing homes when they get the chance and never call or visit.

Having children is NO guarantee of not being lonely in your golden years.

[–][deleted] 94 points95 points  (14 children)

many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence”

Funny how it's alway a female writer that make these kind of conclusion. There is absolutely no self questioning and that's a childish behavior.

up to 60 percent of the student bodies are female. “And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands.

That's a situation feminist created themselves. It's a bit easy to blame men for something you've been striking for.

I find that men in the comments are more and more redpilled when it come to this kind of stuff. That's a good evolution. What's worrisome is that the law is evolving to deal with this lack of marriage. There are cases in some countries (Read that about Canada some time ago if anyone can confirm or contest) where living with a woman for a certain amount of time will be assimilated as a marriage. So once you get separated she can ask for alimony and a part of your assets.

[–]2Overkillengine 38 points39 points  (0 children)

That's why you don't cohabitate with them. Leave them no claim of dependency available.

Hell, probably cheaper for most men to live alone than to get suckered into paying the bills for two anyways.

[–]demoneyes905 28 points29 points  (0 children)

These common law marriage laws have been abolished in most states.

The laws were not developed as a way to force men to marry as you state. It has been there since the ancient Greeks. It was setup as an easy way to marry two people without getting official witnesses and having the government to go through all the paperwork and such. This is a time for when government didn't care for who married who as the status of marriage didn't greatly affect how they were seen by the law. Now with tax benefits and the intricate tax laws benefiting marriage, this is no longer the case.

I just want to clarify before people immediately blame "the system" for something that has no malicious cause.

[–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In the US, most states abolished common law marriage. In most of those that still have it, you have to tell people you're married for it to apply. Living together is usually, but not always required.

[–]1grendalor 1 point2 points  (5 children)

It depends on the province in Canada. Some US states also have similar laws, but not all of them -- it's all over the map, really. You have to be informed about what the law is where you are, but really the best choice is never to cohabit with a woman.

[–]like_a_ghost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was happy to see the types of responses in the comments as well. Many of them are on point, whether they know about TRP or not.

[–]stealer0517 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure that 90% of the time an adult says that another adult is acting childish it's because they are doing something that they don't like.

Oh your playing video games? Quit being a child. Oh your racing your (motor vehicle)? Why don't you quit being such a child and do something an adult would.

[–]omgimbackagain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The absurdity of claiming victim status from 60% of student bodies being female. Even when woman get what they claim to want they are complaining.

[–][deleted] 109 points110 points  (1 child)

I love how the article blames men for not taking responsibility and self sufficiency. She also assumes that this means marriage. Lol. We are doing just fine lady, without your Bullshit

[–]vakerr 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Men are perfectly self-sufficient without women. It's the women who aren't.

[–]WardlyHasted 30 points30 points [recovered]

This article is fantastic:

Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future

Man aged 20-34 doesn't want to get married -> Perpetual adolescence. Woman aged 20-34 doesn't want to get married -> Focused on her career, trying to find herself, no good men left, they "fear" marriage.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come

Women don't dream of the perfect man, they dream of the perfect wedding.

After decades of feminism, Crouse noted that young men are now the ones who set the parameters for intimate relationships, and those increasingly do not include a wedding ring.

Men are the gatekeepers of relationships, women are the gatekeepers of sex.

Young women who adhere to a moral code and refuse to participate in the “hook up” culture are now considered social misfits, Crouse pointed out. And they face even more daunting odds of finding a husband than their promiscuous sisters.

Femininity and virtue is not encouraged in women today. Men adjust accordingly and use women for sex. To quote Rollo: "It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around." AWALT.

“Even researchers from the left are coming out very strongly for the family and for marriage, and saying the two-parent family is necessary for children to do their best," she told CNSNews.com. "It’s not just good for them, it’s the very best. It’s the gold standard. It’s essential for children to reach their potential. And that has to be communicated in the popular culture."

Oh, so now they'll admit it. But if you provide statistics that show the number of criminals raised by single mothers or say that young boys need a strong male role model, you're a misogynistic shitlord.

But men are not entirely to blame for the steep decline in marriage, Crouse pointed out. “A lot of women fear marriage. While feminism is a spent force, the ultimate consequences of that philosophy is a whole generation of women who don’t want any man to tell them what to do, and don’t really understand the give and take that is necessary for a marriage relationship.”

Women act like entitled princesses. Women can divorce a man for no reason other than "I'm not happy." Women today do not have the qualities necessary for raising children. Women are narcissistic, drama-seeking attention whores. Women have been saying they don't need a man for over a generation now -- maybe men are giving them exactly what they asked for.

However, the box office success of movies like American Sniper, which features a very masculine Navy SEAL, is an indication that women still respond to strong men, she said.

It's biologically wired into their brains, contrary to what feminists say. Alpha fucks/beta bucks. It's not "oppression" to be a masculine man. You are a pillar of strength; you are a protector, a leader, a doer. You do the things necessary for yourself and everyone else under your care. You are stoic; you are the one who tells your loved ones that everything is going to be alright.

“Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness,” Crouse said. “But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past. They’ve ended up with far more opportunities, but their personal happiness is way down.”

This really just goes to show that women don't know what they want. It also goes to show that feminism really is just a giant shit test. When gender roles were clearly defined, both sexes knew how they fit into society. There was give and take between the sexes, and there were reasons a man would get married.

Feminism has eroded these roles and seeks to make men and women equals. But men and women can never be equal because we simply ARE NOT equal. We are physically and mentally very different creatures and by not accepting this, feminism has destroyed modern society. Not destroyed in an "apocalyptic end of the world" sense -- destroyed in a "most people are unhappy, have no direction in life, high rate of mental disorders, extreme political correctness to the point of censorship, male = bad/female = good, people being trans this or that because they don't know what it means to be male or female, children being indoctrinated/brainwashed into this bullshit, healthy at every size, rape culture/rape hysteria" sense.

[–]Shooter-Mcgavinn 50 points51 points  (4 children)

Favorite comment from the comment section:

here's a piece of advice for the guys. No hymen no diamond.

[–]through_a_ways 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This comment is a real gem.

[–]TempusRerumImperator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If she can't give you a traditional wedding night, then why does she want a traditional wedding?

[–]GREF_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL, I'm gonna tell that to the next girl who gives me a marriage ultimatum.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Seventy percent of American females between the ages of 20 and 34 are not in looksmatched long-term relationships, and many live in a state of “perpetual sluttery” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janet Shawl Krauss, author of “Modesty Matters.”

“Far too many young women have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and motherhood,” Krauss, the former executive director of the Beverly LaGaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This doesnt have enough upvotes

[–]Imrockbottom 16 points17 points  (3 children)

If men won't sign up for the suicide mission, the state will conscript them. Don't celebrate yet gentlemen. It's a cold world, bring a bomber jacket.

[–]CornyHoosier 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I've tried to tell people this before. Rome used to do it to it's single men as well. I have zero faith that the United States government won't do something similar and target men like that.

[–]lemonparty 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The authoritarian left will propose the bachelor tax, and religious right will be on board. This will happen by 2030.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or drafting men for marriage. Once selected, he gets the privilege of having his money given to the chosen woman so she can support her lifestyle. You go girl!

[–]slashd 13 points14 points  (1 child)

her beta husband who she never truly loved

Kinda reminds me of Titanic where Alpha Widow Rose dies and joins Jack on the Titanic instead of her husband who she has children and grandchildren with.

[–]rockumsockumrobots 59 points60 points  (69 children)

I saw a comment on one of these articles saying:

"It doesn't matter whether you marry or not. Women can still have kids out of wedlock and you will pay for them through taxes and state programs."

This raises an interesting point. It's far less damaging and expensive than marriage, but it can still cause insane taxes like Canada (50% of your income), at the very least, and at worst bankrupt a country leading to massive unemployment and dragging down your quality of life/investments/real estate value. etc.

I think I will travel and make connections in other countries. If things get bad enough, I will just divorce the state.

[–]1oldredder 18 points19 points  (58 children)

Canada taxes are not insane: we get a shit-ton more services for tax-dollars than the USA does, like actual real healthcare instead of health "insurance". My tax rate is under 11% federally and all provincial & federal combined is around 17%. Sure it can be higher if I earn more but same is in the USA or UK. I could get a much lower tax rate in Russia but I doubt I want Russian citizenship.

[–]BlaiseDB 23 points24 points  (12 children)

If you are in Ontario and make $50k then income taxes will be about 17% but CPP is about 5% and EI is another 2%. The thing is, your employer kicks in the same again and then some so arguably, your take home pay is less than 70% of what your boss is paying for you to do the job. Then there is a 13% consumption tax (HST) plus property taxes, gas taxes, sin taxes, and such. One way or another the government is sucking up half your earnings.

[–]AnotherLostCause 4 points5 points  (1 child)

PST GST property taxes EI premiums fees for gov services. All in it is close to 50% if you make decent money.

[–]TempusRerumImperator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dont forget protectionist rackets on the local industries and the fact that food is almost twice as expensive in Canada. You could literally make a killing smuggling milk into Canada.

[–]2rp_valiant 5 points6 points  (11 children)

we get a similar deal in the UK in that our tax and NHS contributions add up to around 30-40%. It's a bit higher though because we have an epidemic of asylum seeking and benefits claiming, along with a rapidly growing elderly population all demanding state pensions.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (6 children)

As economies collapse that happens, benefits-claiming on the rise, like disability, etc. America's already seeing many on "disability" magically matching the number who lost employment "insurance" ... more is coming, to where I live too, I'm sure.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

As an amateur student of psychology, with some conviction I can say all the people affected by the new social order that doesn't include nuclear family are susceptible to greater vulnerabilities to mental health and physical ailments. We are not at our best living alone. Which record high number of people are doing. And simultaneously record high numbers of people are self reporting bi-polar(can't self regulate...no duh sherlock) depression(not enough hugs?) Etcetc. While I dont draw causation, I do suggest correlation.

[–]GREF_ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The problem is that cohabitation/marriage is very dangerous with common law marriage and divorce rape culture and laws. Also note that the rate of suicide & depression for divorced men is very high.

It's a lose/lose situation man, but being alone is a smaller loss.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Furthermore, women place such high demands and high value on even their friendliness that its inaccessible to 90% of men. Meanwhile white knights, betas and pussywhipped, aka most men, are divided and conquered by their pedestalization and competition and adversariality amongst each other. The safe haven of noncompetitive friendly and helpful masculine space and relationship, as well as positive women who altruistically give platonic or sexual friendliness is the holy grail that men must rely on for their social psychosocial development. Its no good to point fingers at men and label them as antisocial and detached from the relational marketplace when the dominant ideology intentionally marginalizes and excludes those same men. Hidden dependencies and false presuppositions invalidate the feminist blame, shame and obligation game. Truly no man is an island, and people only learn what they are shown.

[–]yummyluckycharms 11 points12 points  (17 children)

A couple of things.....

minimum federal tax rate is 15% and thats for anyone who makes 45k or less. If you make more than that, you pay more. For most middle class families, when you add, federal, provincial, and municipal,your tax rates are indeed over 50%, which is insane.

As a comparison, if I wanted to declare my taxes based on american sourced income, I would pay substatially less taxes, and could use the savings to buy superior healthcare. The more you travel and see the world, the more you see how canadian taxes aren't well spent and are just going to buy more shitty f-35s or pay for gender inclusion programs

[–]emf41 3 points3 points [recovered]

How can you have an 11% Federal tax rate when the lowest federal tax bracket is 15%? Unless you're factoring in credits and reductions or you're living way up north/isolated?

Source: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

[–]AnotherLostCause 3 points4 points  (5 children)

That is impossible when the US prints the reserve currency. Canada has to produce to spend America just creates a few trillion out of thin air. It is tragic to think about how prosperous Canadian men would be if governments didnt steal half of the fruits of their labour and squander that wealth to buy votes.

[–]1oldredder 6 points7 points  (1 child)

reserve currency is only a temporary protection. Once upon a time the UK Sterling pound was the reserve but now it isn't. America can collapse because of abusing the reserve currency.

Canadian votes aren't bought nearly as much as Americans... don't kid yourself.

[–]AnotherLostCause 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes they will lose the reserve currency status but I was speaking about the here and now. I dont think I suggested that Canada had more or less vote buying. I just expessed my disgust at slimy politicians robbing hard working men. Oh and I forgot sin taxes gas taxes inflated prices for government electricity fees for old tires anyway. God im giving myself a hwadache.

[–]Redpillc0re 7 points8 points  (5 children)

How is it not worse to pay taxes? At least with a family you get something back. These taxes will be absolutely 0 benefit to you

[–]bloodshot_eyes 13 points14 points  (1 child)

“And it’s doubly terrible because the colleges now are predominantly female. So you have some – up to 60 percent of the student bodies are female. And almost all of them are more than 50 percent female. And so the ratio [of] male/female is out of sync.

“And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands. And that means less romance. They don’t date. The girls, I have talked to numerous young women, lament the fact that they don’t have the opportunity to dress up and go out for an event.”

These two paragraphs are really telling. First, it is clear that the author believes that only college-educated men are worthwhile. In other words, a prerequisite for any social interaction with a woman should be a college degree. Hypergamy in action.

Also, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, these "numerous young women" still believe that it is the duty of men to provide them with "events". Once again, the passive female, expecting a strong yet loyal male to be bewitched by her beauty and engage in an outrageous campaign of extravagant gestures to "win her love". Life is not a rom-com, ladies.

Slut culture demonstrates the complete lack of imagination of women. When placed into an environment where she must win his affections, her only notion is to open her legs.

[–]1raceAround126 12 points13 points  (0 children)

When articles like this come up, it sends chills down my spine. I was locked in to a 10 year relationship, 8 years sexless. Utterly sexless. The biggest case of dead bedroom you ever saw. Any time I complained I was shamed from all angles even, finally, by my own Mother whom I haven't spoken to since January '14.

If I'd had given in and married her, I have no idea what hellish mess I would be in now. I think I probably would have ended up diving off a tall building and shaking Death's hand on the way down!

I reacted like a firework at the end, escaped with most of my finances (we were not married) and have lived the successful single bachelors existence ever since.

While I can accept that my relationship was utterly toxic and possibly unusually so, there is just no way I could trust another woman at all. Not even slightly. Even at the prospect of cohabiting I would move the fuck on.

Women just are not worth it. Fuck any girl that's up for it and leave it at that. Women wanted their big fancy successful careers? Then bravo, you now get paid more than men. You don't need men to make you happy? Don't worry, we're not coming back!

[–]iamnotfromtexas90 45 points46 points  (5 children)

Say what you will about religion, but the only couples I know that have a good marriage are religious.

[–]lemonparty 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And traditionally marriage was a religious thing, not a thirty thousand dollar leaving-the-carousel-party for for an ex-slut. Marriage actually existed as a construct to build a better society by countering what we know as AFBB. Marriage gave the bottom 80% of men access to a chaste bride whose values dictated being a nurturing mother to your kids, and a supportive wife who respected you as head of household.

We've devolved back to our baser human nature. Red Pill isn't a philosophy to me. Red Pill is just making sure young men know the rules of the new game, so they don't get suckered.

[–]bearmorgan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That is actually pretty true. Feminists believe that religion supports the patriarchy.

[–]KoreanBoy1 7 points7 points [recovered]

Religion supports consummation after marriage. It makes sense.

[–]Iramohs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most religion clearly define gender roles and how each sex plays into them. Most people look at Mormons and wonder how girls can drop out of college to raise their kids at age 19, but their divorce rates are much lower.

[–]VeryEuropean 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Alright I have a question. I'm still a bit of a red pill novice so please don't be to hard on me but then again I have taken the pill so be as hard as you can.

Anyway, most people here are against marriage and I can see why but what should the modern men do if he wants to have children someday?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's what surrogates are for.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Dude, having children, and getting married have nothing to do with one another. Its not like after the wedding the magical kid doors open up and babies now become possible. Look at all the rachet hoes out there with 15 kids. A baby is simple Biology.

[–]GREF_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Adopt as a single parent or pay for a surrogate mother. This way you have sole custody over the child, and you're not vulnerable to being divorce raped or having the courts take your child away.

Or you can use your RP knowledge and Vet the fuck out of your future wife so hopefully your marriage doesn't fail. This is still really dangerous though.

[–]dntdxxmbr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You don't have to sign a government contract in order to live together and have kids... but beware of common law marriage.

[–]2johnnight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have two friends who have children without marriage, cohabitation only.

Case 1: he makes a lot of money and she stayed with him past her 30s. She knew that jumping ship at that point was the worse alternative for her, so she accepted the situation. Now that they have kids, she became less subservient.

Case 2: he makes a lot of money, she was his previous gf, she hooked up with him for sex and gave him a baby accident ("whops, my birth control must have failed!"). He refused to marry on principle, but wanted to be the father.

So the strategy is as follows: get a gf, string her along as long as possible, use her in her 20s, push the decision to marry into the future, claim that you are financially and career wise not ready. The longer you wait in this situation, the stronger your power grows and the more she loses the power of her youthfulness and beauty and loses alternatives.

At some point she will either: jump ship to a guy who offers marriage, get pregnant from you or she will agree to having kids without marriage.

Having a good career is necessary for this strategy: you have to be the better option than whatever the alternative for her is: have status and money. If you are poor, she will abort your baby.

It's Machiavellian and deceitful, but I see no better solution. If anyone wants to attack my morality here, I'd like to point out that in case 2 the girl was the deceitful spermjacker, but she bluffed against a more strong willed player.

[–]DogePerformance 18 points19 points  (34 children)

50% never married seems high

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[–]HAMMURABl 29 points30 points  (4 children)

25% is a very very optimistic number that will never marry.

keep in mind that these researchers have no clue what is currently going on in the minds of the 18-30 y/o. a large segment of this group has already decided to not marry, yet researchers will simply assume the age of first marriage simply went up a bit.

2005-2015 has been a massive change in the mating market, which due to its inertia of choices takes a while to be reflected in statistics. the 25 y/o not deciding to marry will first be noticed in the statistics when he is 35.

[–]i2amahandmodel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of my good male friends except for one will never marry or have kids. The one is a SJW but a good guy. He makes a ton of money but has a stage 1 clinger latched to him. They are all 30.

[–]BlaiseDB 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I'm 48, never married with no kids. My one sister is divorced, the other is on her third marriage, my mother is on her third marriage and my brother is tying the not in a few months.

My present girlfriend is 26, a college graduate, Chinese, good family, low notch count: that's about as low risk as it gets if this moves forward like I want it to.

[–]1oldredder 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Is it? 38 & single here but more importantly not a parent either. Some guys are single but actually tied down in time & finances with a child with some past woman.

[–]LugerDog 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Kinda does but maybe he's right and men are getting smarter.

[–]DogePerformance 17 points18 points  (9 children)

27 and single here. Go us

[–]LugerDog 18 points19 points  (8 children)

30 single and no kids here. I went for an education over a divorce and a kid or two.

[–]RosewoodPill 11 points12 points  (4 children)

31, single, no kids. The world is mine, boys.

Edit: Currently talking to "18" women at the same time. Being very picky about who I will stick my dick into as well.

[–]fuck_da_haes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

30, no kids, few plates ... I can't be more happy. And its fun when people around me try to shame me to marry & have kids, no way jose :)

[–]HeinousFu_kery 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They'll be left helpless as they watch their looks fade, the attention they used to receive dwindle to trickle, as they pop anti-anxiety and antidepressants down their pelican gullets while reminiscing about their golden days and finally coming to terms that they are nothing more than a shell of their former self.

The solution seems simple. Find women who don't depend on their looks and who are responsible for their own lives and their own states of mind. Hint: they won't be the hootchie chicks you're looking at in bars; they'll be the ones who are out kicking ass at something else. They're worth finding.

[–]1KissTheBridesmaid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The article touches on the real issue several times, almost accidentally, but still does not show a true understanding why men are opting out not just of marriage but out of education and the general lifestyle required for matrimony. Still, these are the first signs that the Misandry bubble is floating dangerously close to a sharp object.

Edit: And yet, auto-correct is still underlining the word misandry...

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 6 points7 points  (0 children)

it seems to me that the biggest thing stopping guys from marrying women is the fact that women in their 20s are just no longer interested in marrying guys. with feminism and the "you go girl!" mentality women see men as just toys and distractions instead of possible husbands. I think a ton of men like myself simply find it EXTREMELY frustrating to meet and talk to women today. I live in New York. the dating mecca of western society in a lot of ways. and I will say this.

Unless you have a heart as cold as winter, as black as tar, and as hard as stone, you will get fucking destroyed by women. seriously, i have seen so many "nice" well mannered, good normal guys get emotionally fucked by women who would otherwise be in their league. I am talking about the rejections, the games, the flakes, the cheating, the disrespect, etc etc

the traditional ways of courtship simply dont work for guys anymore, chivalry is disgusting to women today, so is honer and honest. they fucking loath it. Probably because these traits allow one to show weakness, and women are disgusted by weakness.

That's not to say guys are good and women are bad. But the traditional lessons that guys have learned about courting women are blowing up in their faces, and in tern it's creating a ton of guys who are simply fed up and would rather fuck a few random chicks then try to chase a potential wife. and thats not even going into how the judicial system will fuck a guy over in case of divorce.

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"Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness,” Crouse said. “But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past."


[–]fadetoblack1004 28 points29 points  (56 children)

I'm 28, married. Of my core group of about 15 guy friends I hang out with on a regular basis, all within 2 years of me age-wise, one other guy is married. The rest are either single or in long term relationships, split about 75/25 towards single. None are engaged. I think guys are certainly being far more careful about who they marry in this day and age, but I'm expecting most of them to settle down over the next 5-7 years and get married. There's a few who won't, but most will. I think the 25% number mentioned in the article is about right.

American society, as a whole, is moving more towards less formal relationships and parenthood options. It's interesting, the current generation of twenty-somethings seems less oriented towards serious relationships than other generations, and I don't think it's because of external societal pressures, but more so a result of financial prudence.

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[–]FaustoRMD 18 points19 points  (7 children)

The elites are destroying the family: they are winning. You thing the marriage laws, the feminist movement and the almost no revelance of paternity has for the judges is casuality?

They are winning. The elites known the nature of women. They want us divided, dependents of the state. Marriage is the foundation of a strong society. Family is everything, and they want to destroy it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency

On the contrary, I think. Many men have their own jobs and pay their own bills, they just don't feel like throwing it all away to get balls deep in a relationship which is rigged against them.

They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation

Men are considered disposable. Cannon fodder. If a man is having a dire moment in his life, maybe even homeless, living off welfare and food stamps, people say all kinds of shit about and to him. Why would he give two shits about culture, society and the strength of the nation, when all of those things are ready to crucify him the moment he slips up?

Personally, I've never had any sense of community in any group I was part of IRL. I knew that if things got rough, nobody would care, they would pretend to feel sorry and not lift a finger to help me, like everyone does towards the less fortunate. I feel pretty much the same towards society. Aside from family (parents and brother, in my case), hardly a handful of people will come to my aid if I need.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

70% of them are smarter than i was =(

[–]ivebeencaught 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here is the summary of AWALT that you will need, from the comments. I wish every beta orbiter could hear this.

One female friend offered me this advice: "All you have to offer a woman is love, and she can get that from her dog without having to date a man who is so repulsive."

Repulsive, that is what they see you as.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I love this.

I know there are a ton of reasons why the marriage rate is low. Some of it is a fair amount of guys that are just plain not up to snuff. They tend to be sloppy, under-employed, home bound, and and frankly not really men.

Then you have the career woman who either 1)wont go on dates or 2) has such a high standard that they will never find any man because none exist. Or they know deep down they really want a man that will get them those tingles- make them feel sexy and awesome. Instead, they find men that will bend over backwards to please them and come out weak.

A single female I know, late 20s. She said that she will go out with any guy that will ask her on a date. But she rarely goes on a second date. No tingles. These are employed well educated men she goes out with. She just can't see herself falling in love with these dudes. My guess is she will find some beta guy in the next few years and convince herself it works.

I look back (15 years or so now) to some high school friends. Guys that are not exactly cream of the crop when it comes to education and employment. BUT they have jobs, a real strong work ethic, they are at least quasi alpha- and they get married to 6/7's who will work hard as a housewife. These are they guys you see driving a big truck, working hard everyday, and always seem to have a decent chick sitting on their lap. These are the guys that will continue to populate the US.

Then there are the guys who smarten up. They see their buddies get married, get fat, keep the same shit job, take no risks, have no money, and live in a perpetual state of unhappiness. While they are banging hot chicks, making money, and living a fulfilling life.

My guess is a fair amount of guys will hit their mid 40's/early 50's and find a younger chick to settle down with. You will see a lot more silver foxes driving their kids to school in their real nice car. Their wives wearing workout gear everyday and keeping it real. So this stat just shows a delay in marriage that is a cultural fix to the shit way men feel about LTR's. It will right itself.

Meanwhile, women, especially lower income women, will continue to get knocked up early and live miserably until they learn about condoms and effective delayed gratification.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

As much as I hate shutting you guys down, there is already a thread above this one referencing the same article. Contribute there, we aren't concerned with fake internet points.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The comments are awesome. Good job guys!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This makes me happy inside.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If 50% of men will never get married, It would imply that 50% of women will also never get married, right?

[–]kevkos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right. But the big difference is women want marriage while many/most men don't.

[–]masturbator9000 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I remember back a year or two when I was still fantasizing about what it would be like to finally find 'the one', get married, settle down, have kids and all that stuff. Bluepill times, obviously.

Now I honestly can't even imagine living with a woman because of all the stuff I notice about them now that I were seemingly invisible to me before. How easy it is to get screwed over for half your shit, completely without fault even. In a society in which a woman can cheat on her husband and still walk away with ridiculously high amounts of alimony and possibly even child support, I see not a single reason to get married in today's day and age. I don't hate women, but I can't put everything I've worked for on the line, hoping that nothing goes wrong along the way.

My only regret is that I won't get to have my own kids, but I guess I was never entitled to 'my' kids anyway. At least not with the reproductive rights we men currently have.

[–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency

Self-sufficiency...typified by taking care of yourself which is, you know, inherit in the name.

roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood

Oh, nope. Self-sufficiency is actually about financing a woman and her "have it all" aspirations of progeny.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”

No, they fully understand that the world wants them to sacrifice for women, and that the legal climate is staunchly opposed to "strong families."

These "experts" are so fucking wide of the mark, it's almost impressive.

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