Red Pill ExampleGuy's wife stops putting effort into their marriage and threatens to bankrupt him if he divorces her. Guy unknowingly lays down dread game while secretly preparing for divorce. Wife is now doing everything she can to make him happy. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner


This is a bit of a long read. The story is divided up into multiple parts, but it comes to a pretty satisfying conclusion.

Shorter version: Guy's sex life is stagnant: mediocre once-a-week sex. So he starts working out and getting in shape, his wife is still uninterested in sex. Finally he tells her about his dissatisfaction and she tells him that she's no longer interested in sex. When he suggests getting a divorce, she threatens to divorce rape him by getting her rich parents to foot the legal bill. So, the guy agrees to stay married to her, but they will be husband and wife in name only. He moves into his own bedroom, stops talking to her, keeps working out, and goes out without letting her know where he's been. He also secretly starts getting his affairs in order so that he can divorce her and lose as little as possible.

Not long after, his wife can't stand the fact that her in-shape, high-earning husband is ignoring her and going out at night. She starts doing everything she can to try and get back in his good graces. She begs him to give her another chance. He agrees, but gives her a list of expectations and makes her admit in front of her parents that she threatened to divorce rape him using their money.

I love stories like this. The guy maintains frame as well as he can be expected to, and it shows the effectiveness of dread game rather than the typical r/relationships response of "you need more/better communication!"

[–]bmkaggie 304 points305 points  (47 children)

This guy is my fucking hero. He holds frame like a fucking champ, got shit done when it came to his divorce, made his psycho wife apologize, agree to his terms and made her explain how psycho she is to her parents. This guy is as fucking RP as it gets. Too bad the comments are a bunch of white knight beta bitch emotional tampons.

[–]1Halfjor 121 points122 points  (43 children)

This is the gold standard of dread game. It makes it even better that he doesn't know what it is (at least the name) and isn't doing it intentionally.

Going back to school, changing the living arrangements and being firm about it, not giving into the will of his dick and taking pity sex from his wife to back down. All things showing that he is mentally and emotionally preparing for life after divorce. He is being extra vigilant with the children and working to cover his ass too.

Show this as a case study to the idiots who make fun of TRP and different phrases like dread game and watch them struggle to make an coherent argument against it.

Absolute dread game porn.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 62 points63 points  (22 children)

If the guy decides to give his wife another chance, he needs to be employing passive dread game for as long as they're together. He needs to stay in shape, he needs to keep dressing well, he needs to have hobbies and interests that don't involve her, and every now and then he should flirt a little with other women in front of her. She should always know in the back of her mind that if she ever again becomes apathetic and entitled toward her husband, he can replace her with somebody else.

[–][deleted] 99 points100 points  (18 children)

She's a selfish, nasty cunt who has to have her feet held to the fire to act right in a marriage. She only gave a shit when she was about to get dumped.

He needs to divorce her and move on.

[–]BodySnag 18 points19 points  (10 children)

So agree. He admits early on that she played him for the long con. It's very clear and he totally realizes it. But stays anyway? There are no conditions I can see that justifies that.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (7 children)

Its a difficult decision to make when children are involved. Leaving her is also a decision to change the amount of time spent with them. He would no longer be a part of their daily lives.

I would assume he's staying in to raise his kids, but I would be so disgusted with her if I were him. He's got a tough road ahead of him dealing with her. I'm pretty sure this will all end in divorce eventually.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I can see this being about the kids as well. If they didn't have any together then I would agree, there is no reason to stay together, even after she " realized the error of her ways " .

Kids change your priorities big time.

[–]CrimsonDeep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a difficult decision to make when children are involved.

Yeah that was my understanding of his motive this whole time to keep from wracking on these kids emotional development with a divorce. I assure you after they turn 18 he's out.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I've got friends who are on the time clock of relationships. kids turning 18 is when they plan on checking out.

The worst is every now and again, my one good friends wife knows this is the case, says something about it. Kind of feel bad for her in a way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

We men can be forgiving sorts. I bet you if the wife turned her shit around (unless the disparity is too great where he's become miles out of her league during the marriage) was honestly contrite and made a large effort to be thoughtful and make him happy - he might not want to divorce and instead stay together.

There is something to be said of the rewards of long term marriage. It keeps the family strong long after the kids become adults themselves. There is real value in that - the matriarch and patriarch have built something of real value that makes all members stronger. There are plenty of emotional and financial rewards in such a thing.

Unfortunately, today women are taught selfishness more than ever. Its difficult to be married to a deeply selfish person as they tend to only have responsibility to themselves. Why are 80% of all divorces pursued by women? Selfishness. In many ways, TRP is a lesson in male selfishness - a guide to losing one's instinct for female sheltering to combat the modern female archetype. What are the choices we have now? Its the lesser of two evils.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (2 children)

maybe. I'm actually surprised he's kept her off the cause. Shes a mean quebeccer when she drinks.

Though the navy is pretty old school a place, his career seems to do well as a service couple, so theres that.

Kudos to that. I can see why you're endorsed. Too many here think its about crushing pussy... learning to look out for #1 is really the core of it... that and being pragmatic with your interactions I find.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've crushed my share of pussy, don't get me wrong, but I happen to think TRP begins at sexual strategy but then develops into a pragmatist wisdom that has broad applications.

Having successful relationships with women is an extremely important part of male (heterosexual) happiness, but it would be a shame to limit that awareness building to only getting one's dick wet.

"Game" I would define as matching awareness with proper action. You use game to entice women into seeking your company, but you also use it while pursuing personal achievement and fulfillment.

[–]Swagzor[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In one of his updates before the last one, he said that he is spending more time with his kids and documents everything, even what they eat for dinner and always cooks for them (not for the wife who is not allowed at the table). Its very well planed out and a good desision he doesnt divorce her right away. With that back up he'll get a higher chance to keep the kids and not have to pay child support and alimony.

[–]trplurker 37 points37 points [recovered]

She's a selfish, nasty cunt who has to have her feet held to the fire to act right in a marriage. She only gave a shit when she was about to get dumped.

That's every women in the world. AWALT

They always need something pushing them to "act right", always. Before it was social convention, that she would be shamed by society if she didn't "act right". Now men have to utilize dread game and emotional manipulation. Every man in every LTR will have to do this, there are no exceptions. The moment he, or any other man, stops giving her tingles, she'll become apathetic and seek to replace you if she's able to.

This isn't some creation of modern times, weak willed men have been dealing with "battleaxe" wives for centuries. Society forced them to stay married but it didn't force them to treat weak husbands with respect.

[–]zpatriarchy 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Every man in every LTR will have to do this, there are no exceptions.

exactly! it would be pointless to divorce her, because he would have to do the same thing with the next girl. now that he got her where he wants he should just keep it going.

[–]TempusRerumImperator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Precisely, he just realized he was being a little bitch about everything and adjusted accordingly. I dont think this woman was playing any con, that would assume women have agency.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not all women are exactly the same. I would say that the solipsism/narcissism effect is a spectrum. There are women out there that have family values - go to the RPW board and you will find them.

IMO, the AF/BB phenomenon is the effect of self interest on mainly the hormonal differential in men and women (testosterone/estrogen) and also to a lesser degree on the societal narratives that have sprung up around these inherent differences.

Remember, women aren't inherently evil. They're just self interested and in western society especially there isn't much consequence placed on them for having a lack of empathy over men's concerns. They can fuck the alpha when they are younger and they can lure the beta when they get a little older. They can - so they do. So would you if you could. Any of us would fuck our selection of hotties if given our druthers and then collect disproportionately on a relationship if there wasn't inherent shame for us in such practices. Women don't have the same life rules as we have. They have life on easy mode. Unfortunately, this lack of consequence can create sociopathic behavior as we've all noticed - but there is a difference in holding an expectation that women are going to be mostly selfish and live their life on easy mode, from the expectation they're going to be mostly sociopaths. While all women have self interest and take advantage of the lack of consequences they enjoy in society, not all women are vile sociopaths.

Believe it or not, there are women out there who will "act right" in a marriage as long as you hold up your part of the bargain (the Red Pill interpretation of holding up your part of the bargain). The smart ones know when they have a good thing going and get protective over their interests. They'll fuck your brains out on a regular basis if they know its an enjoyable win-win. Sometimes they'll even do it just for fun! It's been known to happen - but it can't happen if you are a mewling beta faggot who hasn't made smart choices and lined up his ducks properly before making any profound decisions like starting a family.

The goal of TRP isn't to hate women because they're all a bunch of cunts, it's to gain a feeling of mastery over oneself and in turn gain a feeling of neutrality towards women. This enables a man to make logical decisions free from the emotional baggage of living in a scarcity mindset. If you have your shit together and have an abundance mindset, then you lose your co-dependence and don't care about the selfish shit they are prone to doing. You develop a heightened level of awareness, live life on your own terms and become insulated from the selfish behavior of others.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, was very disappointed in latest update that he was seemingly going to give her another shot.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe. If she starts toeing the line, he might just need that constant dread game from her to stay on the top of his

[–]1Halfjor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Absolutely. He can't let his guard down or slip into that rut of mental complacency again. At least until his children have grown up.

Maybe after that he'll decide he's sick of being married and go tear it up. Though he said himself he's the monogamous type guy, which I definitely respect. Not every guy wants to fuck a new girl every weekend.

[–]real-boethius 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He can't let his guard down or slip into that rut of mental complacency again.

After 35 years I can tell you the s**t tests never end. You do get more used to dealing with them though.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sooooo not worth the effort.

[–]BlaiseDB 29 points30 points  (4 children)

It brings to mind that graphic novel by Frank Miller - Ronin - and it's tag line: if you intend to die, you can do anything.

If you give up on her and your relationship, there is nothing she can hold over you or threaten you with.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

In any relationship, the person with the most power is the person who is the most willing to walk away.

[–]BlaiseDB 17 points18 points  (2 children)

You can take it all the way back to Uri and Fischer's Getting to Yes, published in 1981. Among other things, they talk about BATNA: Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement.

It is very RP. The point is that you must have options, and the better your options are, the better deal you can get for yourself because you are always willing to walk away from any situation that will not improve on what you already have waiting in the wings.

If you go into a job interview, your sparkling resume is less important than having another employment offer in your back pocket.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's also a key concept of spinning plates theory. If one of your plates knows (or suspects) that you've got other women that you're sleeping with, she'll work extra hard to keep you satisfied. Being involved with multiple women simultaneously makes it easy to walk away from one of them if you decide she's more trouble than she's worth.

[–]BlaiseDB 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. In a monogamous LTR without running dread game the best you can do is make yourself her best option. Nothing wrong with that if you are being a great option for your own self satisfaction.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is the gold standard of dread game. It makes it even better that he doesn't know what it is (at least the name) and isn't doing it intentionally.

He knows what it is and he knew what he was doing. He states in his OP that he read MMSLP and NMMNG.

TRP to the rescue....

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[–]CrimsonDeep 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He knows.


I have a feeling he's spent a fair bit of time here and learned Dread game from this very forum.

Don't you love it when a plan comes together ?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He got that from the books he read. Married man sex primer and no more mr nice guy

[–]the99percent1 4 points5 points  (7 children)

It doesn't make it better that he is clueless to his own doings..

Knowledge is power. It's a sad thing that this guy stumbled across RP behavior by accident. That's no way to operate in life. Being clued in and knowing what works vs what doesn't covers your blind spots.

[–]1Halfjor 16 points17 points  (4 children)

It's the natural RP/Alpha path, whether he read the terminology and ideas here or not. TRP isn't a construction of new and strange ideas. It's a study and discussion of society, and although it focuses and new developments over the past few decades, it still adheres to basic societal/biological principles that have been around for millennia.

I discovered several alpha/RP ideas for myself when I was a teenager, mostly when dealing with girls (which is part of the reason I instantly knew this sub was the real deal, it was confirming beliefs I had already developed on my own). The vast majority of natural alphas have read little to none of of the ideas here. They just come naturally. He discovered dread game because it was a natural path. That or delve into the depths of beta bux. TRP articulates these ideas and creates vocabulary for them, but it didn't create them.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 25 points26 points  (3 children)

We're rediscovering lost knowledge. Our forefathers knew a lot of this stuff, but a few generations of men have been emancipated from their fathers/traditional male role models/mentors. This has lead to a critical mass of confusion and with the advent of the Internet, a rediscovery.

[–]1Halfjor 13 points14 points  (0 children)

We're all lucky to live in a time where this community and its exchange of knowledge is possible.

I remember when I stumbled upon TRP about a year and a half ago. It was linked in a heavily downvoted post somewhere else on reddit. I was drawn in immediately. I had no idea this depth of information was available on the internet with a strong community to support it.

The exponential subscriber growth is testament to the fact that TRP is something so many men need, and probably didn't know they could find.

Edit: Grammar

[–]CrimsonDeep 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Illimitableman, dude I want to buy you a beer. That has been what I've discovered lately in my re-masculinization path I've been on. You put things into words that I think and know instinctively. Thanks for putting this out there.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Illimitableman, dude I want to buy you a beer.

If I'm not hitting the heavy stuff, I lean toward cider. Beer makes me sleepy, which is annoyingly counter-productive in social settings.

Rekorderlig is a pretty nice cider. Sweden may be going to shit, but they know how to make a damn fine cider.

Send beer money here.

[–]stevredpill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Uh, who cares if how he stumbled across RP behavior vs learning it on TRP. TRP doesn't have a copyright on teaching RP ways. The point is he naturally has become Redpill.

It's infinitely better than him not figuring it out "on accident," blaming himself, not taking control of his life, and then getting divorced raped with no access to kids.

[–]emblasochist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point is, if you happen to follow the RedPill path without being aware of what the path is, you can just as easily accident yourself off the path.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He lost his frame towards the end. She now knows that going full Victim is a viable tactic to use against him.

I do love that he made her call her father and explain the threats she made. She lost some serious social status with her family over that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At least someone got gold for saying exactly what you said.

[–]Red_SoloCup 74 points75 points  (3 children)

Dude's a fuckin boss. After that 180 deg flip he had, he's pretty much done everything right. What's interesting is that she fucked up by backing him into a corner. If she hadn't, he probably would have contentedly rode out his days in blissful beta-ness. She forced him to become alpha or GTFO, and he got alpha as fuck. Good on him, I'm interested to see what he finally decides to do.

[–]1Halfjor 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Yeah. She had a good thing going from her perspective. If only she wouldn't have become so complacent in hiding her dissatisfaction and non-attraction. Its a straw the broke the camel's back type scenario. Eventually she slipped too far and the gears started turning in his brain.

Realistically she'll probably be happier in the long run. If there's anything that guys will struggle to understand about women, it's how their attraction works. For example, if you had a boatload of money and let it flow, girls around you wouldn't just want to fuck you to get in on the money. They would actually become far more physically attracted to you because of it, as well as the status and power that came with it. It's a weird concept because the male brain just isn't wired like that. We don't physically get off to a powerful/rich woman.

Now that he's employed dread game his wife won't just be coming on to him because she's consciously trying to save the marriage. She'll most likely be truly more physically attracted to him. That's arguably better for her than just have a male roommate that helps take care of the kids.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbicepsblastingstud 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Now that he's employed dread game his wife won't just be coming on to him because she's consciously trying to save the marriage. She'll most likely be truly more physically attracted to him.

This is a key point, and something that a lot of the commentators on the original threads have missed.

I saw a lot of posts like "oh well she's just coming on to you to try to save the marriage, you need to watch out!" Example:

this sounds to me more like she realized she couldn't treat OP like a slave and now is desperate to save her comfy lifestyle.

Not so. She is actually more attracted to him now that he's demonstrated he has options. She wants to be intimate, not because she's got some long-term deception going, but because he's proven that he's a worthy mate, for lack of a better word.

Her complacency in the relationship was due to OP's actions, and OP's actions have now restored the relationship to how it should be.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely key point! Dread doesn't make a woman think 'oh no, I better start fucking him more or I am going to lose him.' Dread makes a woman WET. The idea that this man is preselected by other women is an enormous factor in female attraction the Feminine Imperative has hidden from us. No more.

[–]Rambhola 56 points56 points [recovered]

Slightly off the topic.. I once had a girlfriend who was very sweet and submissive. She had always told how much she loved me, that she was lucky to have me in her life. Eventually the day came where she wanted to break up with me, saying it was all pretense and she never really loved me. What's worse was the way she talked to me at that particular time, so rude that I never thought she would be capable of.

It's sad to see how evil women can be at times. I have always believed women can be very caring, sweet and what not, but posts like this have broken all those illusions time and again.

Edit: spelling

[–]BlaiseDB 29 points30 points  (6 children)

I spent 4 years as a divorce attorney and couldn't stand it, especially the way people who claimed to love each other would then treat each other - and the fucking kids - when the relationship seemed to have run its course.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 15 points16 points  (2 children)

You must have some interesting stories to tell. I look forward to hearing them.

[–]BlaiseDB 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I spin a few yarns, if you look back though my posts, when they seem to be relevant to the topic at hand.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holding back on the good stuff eh? I like it.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm curious, did you experience as a divorce attorney lead you to find the manosphere or are these two largely unrelated?

[–]BlaiseDB 18 points19 points  (1 child)

It was more my experience at a left coast law school, plus other things. I didn't actually stumble on to "the manosphere" until a few weeks ago. Somebody mentioned Return of Kings on a conservative political blog and I followed links to here and other places.

I've been reading authors like Christina Hoff Sommers and Warren Farrell for over 20 years, even before I got to law school. Being able to roll off those sorts of facts, figures, philosophies and arguments made me rather unpopular when I got there.

I learned about business ethics in management school and military intelligence from the army but I had to wait until law school to be hit by a trifecta of oxymorons: civil litigation (it isn't), legal reasoning (they don't) and feminist thought (it isn't).

I represented both men and women and they were equally shitty to each other but in different ways, for different reasons, and with different forms of leverage and advantage.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if it's different in the states. IntO's here are affectionately called 'professional CNN watchers'

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 43 points44 points  (5 children)

Let's see his first post... $100 says the top reply is "you need to communicate better."

Annnnnd score! So predictable.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 28 points29 points  (3 children)

In that subreddit, you can bet that the majority of the comments concerning problems with romantic relationships are gonna be one of the following three:

  • "You need to communicate better/communicate more."
  • "You should see a therapist/counselor."
  • "Dump him/her."

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Well, to do them justice, they do at least hand out advice#3 on a fairly regular basis.

[–]Swagzor[🍰] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Its mostly 'Dump him' and not 'dump her'. In that case its you need to communicate more, get a counselor or even worse "Be more romantic and do all the chores around the house to make her happy again."

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People in /r/DeadBedrooms have a nickname for that: they call it "choreplay."

It never works.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I love how they always assume that it's "communication issues" when both parties can clearly communicate that they're sick of each other. LOL.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (9 children)

I couldn't live this man's life. Either you're financially fucked for life or you have to be married to this person that really doesn't give a shit about you, at all.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 35 points36 points  (7 children)

It sounds like the guy himself feels the same way. Even though his wife begged for another chance and is doing everything she can to please him, he (wisely) still hasn't forgotten how deeply she hurt him. He still might go forward with the divorce, and I doubt anybody would blame him.

[–]2Sepean 18 points19 points  (5 children)

It's not like the next wife will be different. Women will shit all over you if you go too beta.

[–]Justifled 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Why would he marry again? That'd be the dumbest shit ever.

[–]2Sepean 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Your priorities and lifestyle choice are not for everyone.

[–]spassa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

not marrying is not for you? what do you expect from a marriage you couldn't get without? why do you want to give all your power to a woman?

[–]2Sepean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

why do you want to give all your power to a woman?

I'm married, on our 12th year. It didn't involve giving all my power to a woman.

what do you expect from a marriage you couldn't get without?

Living with a beautiful, smart woman that I know and love.

Raising my children in a loving, supportive home.

[–]BlaiseDB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He has to get his ducks in a row and insulate himself from losing child custody or getting hit with a big child support or alimony claim. Once he does that he can leverage it to really get her to smarten the fuck up. If she doesn't find a plate. Once you are divorce-rape proof, her pulling the pin will only mess up the kids.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TBH, he looked at his situation, made a pragmatic choice, and lived with his mistakes.

There isn't a more manly way to approach life. It's bittersweet, but harship can test who you are, and your character.

He came out of it successful, good on him

[–]slimcoat 29 points30 points  (3 children)

This particular quote is absolute gold:

She is in saving the marriage mode, and is doing and saying all the right things. I am in the mind frame that my marriage ended a few months ago, and I'm trying to decide whether or not i want to date my wife. The question is. If i was meeting my wife for the first time right now, knowing her past, would i consider her relationship material? I guess the jury is still out on that one.

Nothing induces dread more than when you're treating the marriage as though it's already dead.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It's also a fair bit of wisdom, even without her shitty prior behavior.

The question people always need to ask themselves is "would I start dating my SO (or would she date me) if we met each other right now?" If the answer is no to either question, see that you get out of there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wish I could give you one of those male symbol things for that last part.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Treating the marriage like it's already dead is just one step below the "nuclear option" of dread game: having sex with another woman and then telling her about it.

[–]C00l_Guy 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Good fucking work. It's nice to see a positive story and not just the usual negative beta/cuck/sjw shit.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Oh this guy!

I was about to say Re-Post, but he actually kept updating. Not bad.

Also, is it just me or is r/relationshits made up of THERAPISTS advertisements.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 37 points38 points  (6 children)

Also, is it just me or is r/relationshits made up of THERAPISTS advertisements.

Marriage counseling has a laughably low success rate. I don't remember the exact number, but something like 70%-80% of married couples who go to counseling end up getting divorced anyway. By the time a marriage has gotten to the point that it needs counseling, it's usually too far gone to save.

That still doesn't stop the people of r/relationships from thinking that therapy/counseling is a magical cure-all that can fix any relationship problem.

[–]Redrog1 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Its not only that the marriage is too far gone, it's also that psychologists tend to be feminists and politically correct, basically mainstream advice (so beta): listen more to her, respect her, share the house chores, talk logically about your sex issues, etc...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It would probably have better success if they put the wife on a pill prescription to get her to chill the fuck out.

[–]krakosia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

those social studies women need to find employment somewhere, hence the therapist(the-rapist) jobs

[–]happeningpodcast 20 points21 points  (2 children)


[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yo dawg, I heard you like therapy...

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[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 108 points109 points  (10 children)

It's the Relationships subreddit. Many people will always defend the woman no matter how inexcusable her behavior is.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 109 points110 points  (4 children)

"And then I awoke to find myself tied to my bed with my wife sawing at my penis with a rusty steak-knife . . . ."

"You must have done something to piss her off."

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 43 points44 points  (0 children)

"I think that's fabulous LOL!"

Sharon Osborne

[–]RojoEscarlata 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"You just need couples therapy"

[–]MightyTaint 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Why didn't you help her you cad!!!"

[–]RPSigmaStigma 49 points50 points  (0 children)

"Women are wonderful. Men are shit. I'm nice. I'm not like the other guys. You are (all) special snow flake(s). Please fuck me and give me validation to fill the emptiness in my soul. I've earned it."

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There was a post a week or so ago in which op said that she had a ~1.5 year incestuous relationship with her brother (lost virginity to him too). Almost everyone in the comments told her not to tell her fiance. So yeah, you're quite right.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because it's a sub filled with pussy-worshipping betas. Typically nice guys and low relationship experience chumps using online anonymity to conceal the uselessness of their perspective.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

All along the story there were some against him.

wife threaten to rape divorce him

Dude you're an asshole to think about divorce, you have kid, try to please your wife

wife crying

Dude you're an asshole, think about how terrible it is for your wife

wife breakdown and ready to do anything

Dude you're an asshole, why didn't you take your wife back already

situation is better than never before

Dude you're an asshole, give your wife a chance and stop manipulating her.

This community has some toxic members. I've seen some good advise but in majority it's full of "find a counselor" and forgive your wife for every step

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

The people who are saying "find a counselor" and "go to therapy" are the people who are too lazy to give actual advice, should keep their mouth shut, or clueless.

I know plenty of couples, married and un-married who have done therapy.. The relationship was usually well beyond saving by the time it got there. Usually cases of the woman cheating, then crying for her BB back when AF dips out.

It's so crazy, after checking out this sub and seeing shitty relationships IRL, I feel like I have a military grade bullshit detector when it comes to women.

[–]1DRMMR76 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Bingo. If you think about what "go to a counselor" actually means, it's essentially saying "I have no legitimate advice so I'm referring you to someone I believe will". It's a non-answer.

[–]emblasochist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least when we say lawyer up, we're admitting that we don't know the legal environment in your area, and that only a lawyer can prevent you from getting assfucked worse than his fees will fuck you.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

could be worse. At least they didn't tell him to delete facebook

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Top comment, first sentence:

It might be time for you to start seeing a therapist as well.

Real good advice there..

[–]Mechbiscuit 1 points1 points [recovered]

TBF meditating & talking issues through with a neutral party does help. I mean, it's not going to fix the marriage but it's good to let off steam.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sorry if I didn't make it obvious, I was poking fun at that all they ever advise you is to get a therapist. Also /r/relationships suck, most of them don't know what they're talking about.

[–]iReign_x 15 points15 points [recovered]

TXSC 510 points 22 hours ago The fart cloud thing still brings tears to my eyes... Seriously, you put in a lot of effort here. Now she has seen the error of her ways and is making an effort. Don't throw your marriage away. Meet her halfway now. Don't try to be a martyr. Save this marriage.

"Start doing what you were doing before! (You know: when you life was shit and you didn't get sex) That'll make it all better!"

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

r/relationships logic: If you're doing something and it's working, then you should immediately stop doing it.

[–]dntdxxmbr 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If the MAN is doing something that is working HE should immediately stop doing it!

(after all if it is working for the man it is probably some kind of ABUSE) /s

[–]reditname 14 points15 points  (1 child)

In a way his story confirms the Skinner Box behaviour: give a rat a pellet everytime it presses a lever and the rat will lose interest quickly, "knowing" that the pellet is available at any time. If, however, the pellet delivery stops all of a sudden, the rat experiences emotional distress.

If your goal is to have a rat that is interested in pressing the lever (= making an effort) at all times, the best way is to deliver the pellet at random intervals. In a relationship this means being more unpredictable.

[–]2niczar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Addiction science has shown conclusively that the most effective tactic is random rewards. Not only does it stave off decreasing returns, but it actually reinforces the effect above the baseline.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 27 points28 points  (9 children)

Good tips for married men.

For everyone else - why subject yourself to this shit in the first place?

[–]we_kill_creativity 3 points4 points  (8 children)

I understand why this sub is so anti-marriage, and with the horrid state of women in general these days, I don't expect I'll ever get married myself, BUT...

why subject yourself to this shit in the first place?

To answer your question, there is some primal physiological/ psychological need for men to produce children with a woman/women who will stay loyal to them, or else we wouldn't be here.

Notice I didn't say marriage. Our species, just like our culture/society, needs to reproduce or we will die out. Frankly, marriage is just the legal code we happen to use to help this happen, and it varies by the culture.

What most people here have noticed, and it's so obvious how could you not, is that Western/American legal mechanisms regulating the contract of marriage are so biased towards women that it makes little sense for men to willfully enter into that contract.

But the primal urge I mentioned before is still there. Personally, I would prefer to fulfill that urge with at least 3 different women (so that they are competing over me) who, if we sign that contract, will also sing prenuptial agreements. Of course, to each their own.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (4 children)

there is some primal physiological/ psychological need for men to produce children with a woman/women who will stay loyal to them

There is. And it is illusory to believe that you can have this in the West. It can be taken away from you in a heartbeat by a fickle woman who changes her mind on her definition of you as a Good Father. You cannot do the same to her.

For a woman, married or not, she has her BB secured as soon as she's pregnant. Legally enforced child support. Her hormones and feelings go haywire during and after pregnancy. Her outlook changes hugely. What she wants in a man changes.

But society will always side with her, no matter how crazy it is.

There is no such thing as a woman who will stay loyal to you.

Like you, I'd like there to be a solution to this, but I just can't see one. I've seen too many women do too many crazy things to believe it's possible to trust one. And the government is on her side.

[–]we_kill_creativity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, in an ideal world, all things being equal, all things would be, well...equal. I see no reason why, speaking objectively, a woman who has her own independent income should be legally entitled to half a mans shit upon divorce, child care aside.

What I mean is, there are a considerable number of incentives for women to seek divorce. My solution would be to remove those, but of course the chances of that happening are almost non-existent.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (2 children)

even if it's 1:100 chance of meeting a good one, that just means you have to hit 99 or them first.

Don't forget, half of couples get divorces. that means half don't. Even if most of those are begrudging relationships, that means there are still a sizeable chunk that are good.

And if you want to speculate the 80 20 rule, I'll bet if you get your shit together, life an RP lifestyle, your odds of being in that 20 percent are pretty damned good, or at least quicker in joining that first half of relationships

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Divorce rate is well over 50%. And most of the married men I know are living lives of quiet misery.

I don't mind trawling through 99 bad ones to find a good one. What I mind is that you never know if you've got a good one or not until you break up. Then you roll the dice and see if you get to see your kids or if she makes something up to send you to jail.

I'll bet if you get your shit together, life an RP lifestyle, your odds of being in that 20 percent are pretty damned good

Totally... and I'm working hard on it :)

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong... I'm not a marrying type myself...

Though from every friend I've had who is divorced, and most of the crap you read on here... I never see any surprises. Always the friends I would assume are getting divorced, get divorced. Every guy here only gets that far because he's ignoring plain as day signals.

Was supposed to be the whole reason for TRP, open guys eyes up and start looking out for #1... It's too bad theres starting to get a large influx of male celebrety gossip here from the new recruits

[–]sympathetic_receptor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Maybe this is common knowledge, but I've been doing a lot of thought and reflection about the marriage hesitancy thing and how it relates to me. It turns out prenups often don't really hold up in divorce court anyway. What the fuck?

[–]we_kill_creativity 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Seriously? I'll have to look into that. I thought divorce court was the entire point of a prenup?

[–]sympathetic_receptor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, I don't know much about it. Obviously that's what I thought too. There are often comments in here along the lines of 'prenups dont weight any more in court than the paper they're printed on'. So I googled it. Results are scary.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 8 points9 points  (2 children)

This is actually a perfect example for dread game because when you hear bluepillers (card-carrying bluepillers who are tenuously familiar with the concept as such) ranting about it, it's usually only "have sex with me right now (despite you being in the last stage of a mortal physical ailment) or we're breaking up".

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

What I find amusing is how many people in r/relationships think it's perfectly okay for a wife to withhold sex from her husband if she's "not in the mood" (even if she's "not in the mood" for weeks or months at a time). But if a husband responds by withholding love and affection from his wife, it's "emotional abuse."

[–]BlaiseDB 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Never mind if he is "not in the mood" to go to his crappy job 50 hours a week to pay her bills.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This could be a Hollywood movie. It's got a bunch of distinct stages, decision points, emotional drama. Very relatable. I would greenlight this script!

[–]krakosia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well crazy stupid love in a way has a similar plot except they butcher the ending making it a sobby stereotypical hollywood fantasy ending.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It might be time for you to start seeing a therapist as well.

That typical top SJW comment. I shook my head reading that.

[–]1kick6 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And yet still there's morons on their suggesting counseling. Fucking fuck you can't get them to break out of their script for even an instant.

[–]Chiveronreddit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I want to message all the people that three months ago said it was all a bad idea.

It's funny, because it seems a lot of the guys commenting have the right idea, they just don't realize what is actually going on. Some may say, "What a heartless bitch, divorce her now." I laugh at those comments as well because AWALT. She's not evil or heartless, she is just....a woman.

These same guys probably think their own relationships are solid, their SO would never do something like this, and if she did, he would be Alpha as fuck and kick her to the curb. They are in for a rude awakening when they realize that all their Beta, subservient deeds towards her weren't enough to keep her happy. Then you all know what happens next...Divorce rape!

Fucking genius how OP made her get a higher paying job to mitigate the amount she would be able to take from him if they eventually decide to divorce, without even realizing what he's doing. Or maybe he does and is just playing that close to the chest...At any rate, I am taking a page out of this guys book

[–]CrimsonDeep 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And people like to say TRP is full of pseudo science and that evolutionary psychology is bullshit.

Haha, this process is beautiful.

Thanks for the read OP

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 13 points14 points  (11 children)

Sounds like the wife may have had some post-partum issues. Her drop-off in interest for her husband coincided with the birth of each child. That, and she had a massive entitlement complex and took everything he did for her for granted. When he revoked the husband privileges, she freaked out like an addict going cold turkey in a padded cell. One possibility is that if she gets a better paying job she may start thinking about ending the marriage again.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner[S] 14 points15 points  (10 children)

One possibility is that if she gets a better paying job she may start thinking about ending the marriage again.

Yep. The guy has seen what she's capable of and how unstable she is. He should definitely be prepared if she suddenly has a change of heart and decides to divorce him.

[–]doublereignbeau 15 points16 points  (5 children)

She'll be divorced and well past the wall. I hope she DOES divorce him and HE gets custody of the kids. She can be free to hop back onto the carousel, smack into the side, and fall flat on her face.

[–]BlaiseDB 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They are mid-30s and he is a year younger. If they split he is still in his prime, and although having a lot of resources tied up taking care of the kids for the next 12 to 16 years, he can go back out and tag 20 somethings. Meanwhile, she has to peddle her twice-stretched snatch and sagging body to guys who are even older and likely even better established.

[–]TurnDownForWhat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Wish in one hand and shit in the other hand and see which one you get first. Divorce will only end with the kids in her hands. The parents could step in if she made up some abuse story.

[–]MLDriver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Issue there is that he had her confess what she said about her parents to her parents. I don't think they'd be willing to back an abuse charge after that.

[–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wish in one hand and shit in the other hand and see which one you get first.

see which one fills up first.

[–]BlaiseDB 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The higher her income goes the less she stands to gain from divorcing him as long as they are sharing child care and household duties. If their income and time with the children are the same then there is a good case for shared custody and zero child support or alimony. Unless they have some goofy arrangement it just means that everyone's standard of living - including the kids' - will fall if they separate.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The higher her income goes the less she stands to gain from divorcing him as long as they are sharing child care and household duties.

Except that when she makes more than he does, she no longer needs his beta bucks ass and can divorce him easily (with lower repercussions financially) to be free to chase alpha cock.

Remember with women it's always 'feelz before realz'.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assuming the concept of divorce rape is only a one way street.

[–]real-boethius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It can be very helpful to mention females of <wife>'s age who dumped their husband and are now sharing their apartment with several cats.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Amazing how the guy in the story follows the TRP book to the tee to get his woman back into line, without being aware of TRP concepts. IMO, this is an example of how TRP is our default mode and the beta mindset is the result of complacency and societal conditioning.

[–]GarandTheftAvto 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Holy shit, good read. I would recommend reading every post and update from that guy. Huge amount of exposition.

[–]krakosia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Took half an hour but did it. Totally worth reading. Hats off to the man

[–]sympathetic_receptor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Is this an alternate ending to American Beauty?

[–]BlaiseDB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was thinking the same thing except for the hot teenager and the homicidal gay guy.

[–]MrGriffdude 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I swear the top response on posts in r/relationships is "go see a therapist". It fucking drives me nuts.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

/r/relationships are going absolutely batshit insane with the comments.

I put my 2 cents in with "emotions don't belong in financial decision making". Never got so much hate PM in my life.

And that's saying a lot considering that my favorite pasttime is fucking other men's women.

[–]VinylGuy420 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Look I've been redpill for a year or two but the one thing that gets me is guys sleeping with women who have boyfriends/husbands. If the girl come on to you and she's out actively looking to cheat I'm fine with that because the bitch is going to cheat anyway and it might as well be with you but if you're laying down game to convince her, that's pretty scumbag in my opinion. Just realize that you're possibility screwing over a good dude, bros before ho's.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Me before bros before hos. You guys always forget that.

And yes, takes two to tango

[–]Hookerproblem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Come on guy it doesn't matter what he does. If he wants to fuck another dude's girlfriend that's not his problem. Sexual game is amoral. Personally I wouldn't do that, but don't hate on a guy getting pussy any way he can.

[–]RiseAboveRuin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to smash this guys knuckles with an epic handshake.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dread Game Porn!

I love it!

[–]BlaiseDB 7 points8 points  (1 child)

He seems to be taking the right steps but didn't use prophylactics, in two different senses.

First, the opening post says that he and his wife have been together for 10 years and married for 6, and that they have a 6 year old and 1.5 year old kid. Difficult to say if the marriage was driven by the first kid or the kid was driven by the marriage, although I suspect the former.

The second point is that he should have been doing many of these things from about 10 seconds after she got pregnant, and certainly no later than once the kid arrives. Hit the gym, cut back on your hours, get a bit of "me" time, support the family from in the home, not simply by logging hours at work outside.

This is the age of 3rd wave feminism and marriage 2.0: split parental leave, get the bitch back into a refresher course and out in the workplace as fast as possible. Equalize your incomes, or equalize your time at home caring for the kids: ideally both but balance the two. It is usually inefficient but is your insurance against divorce rape.

If you work 60 hours a week and make $100k a year while she puts in half that time for a third of the income, you could be paying thousands a month in basic child support plus about three quarters of the cost of child care after she gets custody following a divorce, and then alimony on top of that. If you both aim for 40 hours a week and force her to improve her qualifications and take the best job available, such that she is making 80% to 90% of what you do, then child support in the event of shared custody would amount to maybe a couple hundred a month in total. Alimony will be next to nil.

edit: if at all possible get your parents or grandparents to provide daycare, but make sure you pay them market rate.

It is prophylactic: protective, preventative. Again, you will have to give up thousands of dollars a year in earnings while getting your SO back to work while you take care of the kids, but you won't take much of a hit if she leaves you. The other thing is that the very fact that she can't divorce rape you and won't have you slaving to support her to take care of the kids will mean she has less of an incentive to divorce you in the first place.

If you want a maid, then hire a maid. If you want a sugar baby then get a sugar baby. If you are going to get married (legally or common law by living together) then get the bitch out of the house and put her to work to bring in as much cash as she can. Do your manwork about the house and then enjoy your time together. Don't play the beta male and set yourself up to take care of her if she is no longer living with you and fucking some other guy.

[–]dntdxxmbr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Solid advice like this should not get downvoted. It is only +1 because of me.

[–]Endorsed ContributoriBrokeRSA 6 points7 points  (4 children)

He'd be a fool if he forgave her. Their oldest child is 6 years old. Youngest is 1.5. She straight up told him that she was faking her "love" since the birth of their oldest.

In a nutshell she faked everything (including sex) until baby #2 came around. After baby #2 she said she just didn't have it in her to fake it (and had no reason to have sex) anymore. Whatever 20% she had left for me is gone, and she doesn't know if anything will bring it back.

She faked it for four and a half years before. That's four and a half years of his life providing for someone who doesn't care and another one and a half providing for someone who can't even pretend to care. Suddenly, after her parents say they wouldn't be so eager to help her with the divorce and a liberal application of dread game for only a month, she starts feeling more "affection" and wanting "another chance"? Fuck outta here. What makes you think she isn't faking it this time? She's not really sorry, she's just afraid of killing the golden goose. How could you trust someone like that after they waste 5 years of your life? I'm not saying he has to divorce her -- stay together for the kids and all that junk -- but he'd be very foolish to continue to emotionally invest in this woman.

She's trying to get him to love her again so he'll continue to provide until the kids are out of school, then once she hits menopause, she cashes out, divorces and takes his nest-egg for herself as her retirement strategy. She's apologizing for the short con while setting him up for the long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XyeOjx_XLo

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He'd be a fool if he forgave her. Their oldest child is 6 years old. Youngest is 1.5. She straight up told him that she was faking her "love" since the birth of their oldest.

Women re-write their relationship history to serve their current needs.

The woman leaving her multi-year LTR suddenly has stories about the ex being "creepy and controlling."

The alpha-widow with a long history of being pumped-and-dumped by Chad Thundercock, is hooking up with him again, because "He's a changed man."

Or just go with one of the classics, "I left because I didn't love him. I don't think I ever loved him."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have to agree with you. If I were in the guys place I would have a really hard time trusting this chick ever again.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AWALT. If you forget for even a second that she is a deadly snake who can decide to strike at any moment, then she will.

[–]wanderingfun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he continues the marriage for whatever reason, a condition he should enforce is a post-nuptial/post-marriage/marriage agreement with terms to protect his financial assets; the equivalent of a pre-nuptial, signed during the marriage. And he needs to find a very high-end divorce attorney to draw it up and ensure that the agreement cannot be nullified by coercion claims during divorce proceedings.

[–]silwhg 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I still think he's stupid for sticking with this woman and not getting one worth of his time.

[–]krakosia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He cares about his kids and has to ensure financial security for himself rather than becoming a slave to state enforced alimony

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It looked like he was still considering divorce, which makes sense because wifey clearly went into survival mode and would have done anything at that point to keep hubby around.

[–]Swagzor[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its actually a very good decision that every man needs to make in his situation. In one of his updates before the last one, he said that he is spending more time with his kids and documents everything. Even what he cooks for them. With that back up he'll get a higher chance to keep the kids and not have to pay child support and alimony.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 4 points5 points  (5 children)

The dilemma here is quite a tough one.

On the one hand his wife has openly admitted to hypergamy - something he has a right to be upset about. However it's also something that she can't control and to be perfectly frank, /u/Rollo-Tomassi said it best last week in the women behaving badly post, the only way for him to control it is with the "effort of freewill, conviction and social structures".

From what the OP said all that seems to be in place though he doesn't think he can sustain it. The illusion of his One is broken and he doesn't sound like he has it in him to sustain the marriage any longer. If he knew about hypergamy beforehand, the situation would have probably been different. Now however, it doesn't seem likely.

[–]BlaiseDB 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Hypergamy is "marrying up" but RedPillers seem to use it as a term of art to encompass branch swinging, and the AF/BB dual sexual strategies of women.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Hypergamy is not just 'marrying up'. It entails pursuing those interests that relate to the feminine imperative i.e. finding the best mate, securing a certain lifestyle and ensuring the best possible environment to raise offspring among other things. Marrying and putting up with a BB is form of hypergamy in that the woman is securing the best available option she has. She basically said it herself - if she had a better option, she wouldn't have stuck around.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Actually, the Saint Rollo of Tomassi uses the term, it's the inability of a woman to feel attraction/arousal for a man of lower SMV than her. Not to say she won't fuck such a man, if she meets a suitable BB in her Epiphany Phase, but it'll be transactional sex, not validational like she has with an AF.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He does indeed. And OPs wife did indeed say that the tingles were all gone for her. Anything she did for him before he engaged dread she clearly classified as transactional. That in fact was part of the reason OPs illusion got shattered.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This deserves one more comment of praise.

Slow clap

[–]phoenix_md 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So happy for OP!

I'm wondering, who here thinks it's important and right to make her apologize? Some RPers saw yeah! while others say it demonstrates a loss of frame because your have to demand it. Thoughts?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Interesting to note that while this guy never mentions redpill he did read married mans sex life primer and no more mr nice guy.

These two books are sidebar at MRP for a reason.

I concur with other posters that if the guy chooses to stay in the marriage and runs subtle dread to maintain his power then she will be much happier than she would in either a divorce or the state of marriage where he just provided and took his boring duty sex

The wife isnt a count. She acted completely normal in a situation where her man got fat and catered to her whims. AWALT. He put himself in the shitty marriage and he took himself out of it by burning the bluepill out of his soul.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The wife isnt a count. She acted completely normal in a situation where her man got fat and catered to her whims.

Interestingly though, him doing some light dread (starting to work out, losing weight etc.) didn't really change the dynamic - he had to take out the hard stuff.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea...removed the comfort. She took that for granted huh?

[–]OilyB 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I would really like to know what went on in her mind the whole time. I'd like to know how she experienced the 180 degree flip.

[–]ucfgavin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

She realized that he was willing to throw it all away because that was how little he actually cared. She wanted to be vindictive and he called her bluff.

[–]OilyB 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm wondering how she handled her shrinking ego in the face of his taking a stand.

[–]ucfgavin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

apparently poorly, but at least she acknowledged it

[–]DrRehabMonsterReborn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is typical female behavior. It's crazy to think they could have been compatible at one point in time if she is acting like a massive cunt now.

[–]strangelyversatile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RP Hero and he doesn't even know it. Fuckin' A

[–]WildCatEra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like he just reprogrammed her for the next guy...

After all this reprogramming, or "dread game" it sounds like a lost cause, if you have to tell another human bean to do all these steps to be a significant other...

[–]BlackHeart89 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Damn that shit. I'd still divorce her. Divorce rape me? Fine. Take it. I'll make more money.


[–]krakosia 0 points1 point  (6 children)

you make more they will take more.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (5 children)

How? If we're already divorced and an arrangement has already been set, how could she take "more"?

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