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MetaReminder: DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE RED PILL (self.TheRedPill)

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Guys, we live in a world that DOES NOT want to hear about The Red Pill.

I just lost a friend of 22 years this morning. After a disagreement, he left my house today and told me to never speak to him again.

I've done other things wrong, and so has he, but the short story is that I talked about RP theory with him and it tainted how he viewed me. The resentment he feels towards me has only grown, every time I open my big mouth.

He sees my success with women as wrong and what I do as manipulative and evil. He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

If I had never stopped to answer the "How are you able to just get girls like that" questions with RP concepts, I bet we'd still be friends.

I'm saddened and hurt by his abrupt departure, though it shows how much he valued our friendship.

Moral? Do not share your RP beliefs with anyone. You never know who is going to, in their misunderstanding, be offended, label you as manipulative and sexist and black list you from their life. For me it was a childhood friend, for you it may be a career or a family member.


[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (3 children)

At the risk of sounding cliche':

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy." "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."*

When something similar happens to me, I might dispense a few thoughts, often using the Socratic Method, asking provocative questions instead of answering directly and NEVER NEVER NEVER mention the words The Red Pill.

TL;DR: He was not ready to be unplugged

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Exactly. You can't think to bring these people over logically. You can only find people who are receptive.

[–]redditguybighead 118 points118 points [recovered]

First rule of fight club...

Seriously, it is possible to talk red pill with friends/family/people in general. You just got to sugar coat the language you use.

For example, if talking AF/BB you cant exactly use that term in the beginning but phrase it as 'out going successful guy vs stay at home loser' or however you want to phrase it. Most men deep down know these things, I mean it's not exactly rocket science but they have been lied to by everybody their whole lives and it is a bitter pill to swallow at first.

If you MUST try help a friend or talk in general to people, water it down at first, dont give them it all at once and take your time. Let them think it over, let them see for themselves and eventually they will come around...or not. All you can do is try.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 40 points41 points  (10 children)

I do precisely this. You can gauge how much tolerance your mates have for red wisdom, and dose them accordingly. You can help them swallow the pill unknowingly by coating your words with BP language. "Stand up for yourself, enforce personal boundaries, take care of yourself first before you take care of others" is more widely received than telling a guy to institute Dread Game.

Thinking back to my BP days, I likely would have rejected the advice as well. You need a framework to appreciate the knowledge.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (8 children)

I talk to my GF using these terms all the time. All of her friends ride the CC and are in different stages of hitting the wall, terms I use:

  • Spent their 20's "having fun"
  • He won't commit because he has options
  • Women and men go like this

One of her friends (33) was seriously settling for a guy b/c she wanted to get married. I walked her through it this way:

Women who hit 30 aren't desperate, they're rational. If they want to have a kid by 35, they need to start now:

  • a year to find a guy,
  • a year or two to get engaged,
  • 6-12 months after engagement to get married,
  • a year or so after marriage to get pregnant.
  • Bam - 35

[–]chickenparade 1 point2 points  (7 children)

You got that last part from "Man seeking woman" the other night didn't you?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Not sure what that is, I actually thought about it getting out of a relationship a couple years ago with a girl who was 29 when I was 24. She promised age wouldn't be an issue (18 months earlier) and then boom. Just did the math and realized that she was in a tough spot, and I owed it to her to shit or get off the pot.

[–]chickenparade 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It's a TV show, they had a scene where a group of 7 year old girls at a birthday party gave this woman the same time frame verbatim to tell her she needs to get married sooner (and most of the children were married as well).

Anyways you are indeed correct. You can talk about red pill in plenty of situations but if you want people to be receptive you can't label it as such or use the jargon we use here. In my experience people find it insightful when you make it easier to digest.

Edited to clarify my point.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I was listening to a podcast (EconTalk - a must listen IMO) and the host (a huge Libertarian thinker) was talking about how Libertarianism's big flaw is that it refuses to either accept or make emotional arguments.

People do not respond to the analytical and mathematical objectification of their feelings, politically or personally. However, if you create an audience-tailored narrative that's both emotional and true, you can get very, very far.

Edit: It got me thinking of some conversations that I'd been in over the years, where the fact that I couldn't understand how someone didn't see the truth in my logic was a very asperger-ish thing to be doing.

[–]bitches_be_crazy86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was something almost exactly the same in Friends too. Though if you think of it it's just a realistic depiction of reality and as such it can't be very original

[–]BlackHeart89 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Seriously, it is possible to talk red pill with friends/family/people in general. You just got to sugar coat the language you use.

This. I talk about it with some of my friends. I just leave out the TRP terminology and don't bring up feminism and what not. And I'm also very specific. "Most", "a lot", "all have this or that tendency".

"Its not what you say, but how you say it."

[–]nonderivative 3 points3 points [recovered]

So you mean you're vague, rather than specific?

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Instead of spin plates, I say "date a few women". Instead of Alpha/Beta, I say "the guy women want/nice guy".

Also, "Most women" do this. "All women" have that tendency. As opposed to TRP where mostly everything is generalized. We say AWALT, but obviously some women operate a bit differently and some are exceptional in certain areas.

So no. Not vague.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes. Generalizing, to a woman, sounds like you're attacking HER too.

"Well yeah, all women are like that."

She hears, "YOU are like that in the worst way."

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well of course I don't talk about these things with women. Or at least not the ones I care about offending.

These conversations are held between me and close male friends.

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (3 children)

Law 38: Think as you like but Behave like others

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I actually think this is the most important rule of them all.

[–]Ovadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you speak and act like others for long enough you will eventually internalize some of that behavior. Your desire for what you truly want must be strong enough to resist the herd mentality. Think deeply about who you are, where you are going and why. Know it with certainty. Write it down. Repeat it as a mantra in those unfortunate moments when it benefits you to smile and nod.

[–]Samukami 51 points52 points  (8 children)

Interestingly enough, my girlfriend led me here.

her: "Do you read theredpill on reddit?" me: "No, what is it..." her: "Most if it sounds just like things you say."

So I decided to check it out in my own time, now I toke this shit every day.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Playing the ignorant card all the way... I like this guy.

[–]BlackHeart89 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Thats how I was lead to the 48 Laws.

"Friend: hey bruh. You ever read the 48 Laws of Power?" "Me: No. What is it?" "Him: Wow. The things you say. Sounds like you read it."

Had the same exact conversation with another dude and a chick I was messing around with. Eventually the chick gave me her copy.

EDIT: Errors

[–]Bigman675 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When you guys say "the 48 laws" are you referring to the book "The 48 Laws of Power"?

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was arguing with a plate a few times (I had discovered PUA first years before) about things I had realized. And she was like, "You sound like an MRA!", and so I started Googling around and found this place.

[–]trowawayyada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had a FB that was redpill aware, I was like oh yeah like the matrix sure. She'd bring it up occasionally, I'd just change the subject.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 499 points500 points  (36 children)

Good. He sounds Iike a little bitch. If he can't tolerate perspectives that are hostile to his own then chances are his perspective isnt that well developed anyway. Beta bitch bubble boy wants to live in his safe little world where no one will offend him. Well here's the thing if no one challenges you and no one opposes you, you have no idea what your weaknesses are and you cant grow.

[–]Namelessfear9 77 points78 points  (1 child)

I could not have said it better GLO, and it speaks to how much of the feminine mindset has become rooted in so many BP men out there. This man's best friend evidently did not treat friendship any differently than the fickle mind of most women would treat it.

[–]foldpak111 15 points16 points  (13 children)

Agreed. It's always good to have red pill views around every guy you meet. Screens out the bitches quickly.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (12 children)

I'm finding most men 25+ in age seem more traditional or "red pill" in behavior about women. It's always the young naive ones lacking experience with women who still get offended over anything that is pro male.

When men get together it becomes obvious to the beta bitch boy in the group that all this "I love my wife so much" cutesie shit men play is all public fluff for the ladies. Beta bitch boy doesn't understand how women operate on fantasy instead of reality, that we are forced into creating this fantasy for women. Women know we're faking, that's why they love it. But the beta bitch boy can't quite understand why women don't like him. So it's always the jealous beta bitches who white knight and ooze with desperation.

[–]TogiBear 8 points9 points  (11 children)

One thing I've noticed so far is that the amount of RP knowledge that people correlate with is always affected by number of relationships had and age is a good indicator of how many they've been in.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (9 children)

ABSOLUTELY. You must have a certain amount of real-world sexual interactions with women before you take the Red Pill in order to realize how profoundly correct the Red Pill really is.

If you're a virgin and you encounter TRP, you won't be able to judge whether TRP is correct OR incorrect. You simply don't have the necessary knowledge-base to make that judgement.

If you've never had any sexual interactions with women, then the RP probably seems needlessly negative & misogynist. It probably seems like just a pessimistic version of the BP lies you've been told all your life. The reality is that if you lack real-world experience, there's no way to know whether BP or RP is correct. They probably both seem like fairy tales, and BP is a nice, comforting fairy tale while RP is a harsh, uncomfortable fairy tale.

When you're a virgin, the choice between BP and RP is simply a choice between fairy tales. No wonder virgins tend to choose the comforting fairy tale.

I've been fucking bitches since my early teens, so RP clicked for me pretty damn fast. I already intuitively understood many of the concepts, because I'd been unconsciously putting them into practice in order to get laid. To me, finding TRP was just like discovering a whole new set of words to describe concepts that I already had an intuitive grasp of — I knew about "frame" because I'd already "held frame" many times before, I just never had a word for it. When I took the pill, I felt like a feral child, fresh out of the wilderness, discovering that there were WORDS to describe things I'd known all my life.

(Learning about "alphas" and "betas" is so basic it's like learning that those things on the end of your arms have a name, and they're called "hands." )

I've only told one of my real-world friends about TRP, and it's because I thought he needed it so badly. He didn't have a lot of experience with women and he's been my friend for more than a decade, so I figured introducing him to TRP would help him get those first few plates spinning.

I was wrong. He didn't get mad — he's not that kind of guy — but he got CONFUSED. In a moment of real honesty, he told me that he simply didn't have enough experience with women to know whether TRP is true or not.

That's when I realized: in order to know that the Red Pill is true, you have to ALREADY HAVE a fair amount of experience with women.

"I wasn't a misogynist until I knew women." <- Truer words have never been spoke.

[–]throwaway82512 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I don't know. I'm 22 and still a virgin and I know TRP is right. I've seen enough relationships around me to know this is what works and BP style stuff doesn't.

A lack of first hand experiences doesn't prevent me from knowing what is and isn't true.

[–]trpfieldreport 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I couldn't imagine reaching TRP with no sexual experience and not being turned off by it.

I only came here after going through my first relationship and ending up on the other side of it thinking "Wait, what the fuck was that shit? That's not what I was told would happen."

[–]Money_Bags97 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Basically your saying us inexperienced guys are fucked. We can't take the red pill without experience but we can't get experience without taking the red pill.

[–]Day_man2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No it's like learning to surf by reading a book. Sexual chemistry with women happens in real time. And it's not entirely true that boning up on the knowledge (phrasing!) doesn't have any benefits.

Look at the surfing analogy. Some people will argue that studying to do something like learn how to surf is totally a waste of time "brah" but it's not. Granted the first time you try and get on a surf board you would fail as bad as the next guy but what about the second time. Think for a second, learning helps to create a mental framework that will allow you to more rapidly contextualize and make use of feedback from real world experience.

Same thing with sexual dynamics. The nature of game is fluidity, routines and stuff help but you have to be quick on your feet and intuitive, that comes from confidence and experience and guess what the best way to build confidence is... EXPERIENCE!!!

Study is very important, you need both. One of my hobbies is chess, great chess players become great both by playing lots of challenging games with other great players but also by studying the game, memorizing openings, different tactics and strategies that have been used over the years. I'm constantly entertained by the parallels between playing chess and game, when I'm playing a girl it almost feels like I'm at a chess board, waiting for your opponents move is like when you're texting and waiting to see how long she takes and what she made of your last communication. Women are less of a challenge to read than a chess board once you've got the basics however, chess is an endless challenge there's some really brilliant players out there, most women can't even imagine being as artful in their games.

In chess you make your moves without regret, you always study the board as it is, you try and anticipate your opponents reactions to your moves, you anticipate what they are anticipating that you will do, games within games. I firmly believe that chess is essential for the superior man, the ancient Japanese believed the game of go (an Asian strategy game in the same class as chess) was one of the four essential skills of a high class cat.

Playing chess makes playing women seem like a fucking joke.

Wow that was an entertaining ramble, hope you got something out of all that ha ha ha

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Would be nice to hear from more married guys or guys in LTRs (talking +5 years).

I don't know if it's possible to maintain a redpill lifestyle long-term in a committed relationship. Particularly if it isn't who you are. I get that in the dating world it's invaluable but there's very little I've ever seen on here about the transition from plates to the LTR.

How to transition from someone who holds frame all the time to someone just living a real life where people get sick, die, have panic attacks, need support, etc.

Even as I'm typing I'm thinking there is probably /r/theredpillLTR or something. I guess I just don't see it here much, not even from the older guys. Which makes me wonder if the whole mentality doesn't survive into an LTR or marriage.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've got a virgin trying to give me 'advice' that boils down to submit to women and get led around in circles. Makes me so angry.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, a lot of it is lack of experience. The people I know that still express a bluepill mindset at my age (almost 30) are almost exclusively men who "did the right thing" and didn't date a lot and thus have no idea about how women work.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It only makes sense. You can only work on so many broken cars until finally realizing what you need to do in order to be a better mechanic.

Inexperienced men are always betas. ALWAYS. Just look at the advice on the relationship advice subreddits. Makes me cringe.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Kind of what I was thinking.. Most of my friends have always shared similar views as me, not sure why you would hang out with a guy that quite frankly sounds like a woman. Hell, even my gf doesn't pout like that.

My second thought was he is just a jealous hater.

[–]pelag1us 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn't have said it better myself

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Precisely! Your friend only held you back with his puny view of the world.

[–]1oldredder 144 points145 points  (9 children)

Guys, we live in a world that DOES NOT want to hear about The Red Pill

Fuck 'em. People hate hearing anything that's true and I don't care.

When at work I'll restrict what I say or appear to know so I don't get fired. Anywhere else everyone else can kiss my ass.

I'll simply be ready to deal with the consequences because I'm not paid enough by these other sad fucks to pretend-play the script they follow.

He sees my success with women as wrong and what I do as manipulative and evil. He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

He's a beta. Betas are programmed by instinct to know without a word that it's immoral to fuck lots of women and not treat them as special. Just like alphas know by raw instinct without a word yet being learned that it's right to expect the best and take it without remorse.

[–]iamjacksnipples 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I can see both sides sides of this fierce debate. I don't think there is an answer. Personally, I have skills, but rhetoric is not one of them. Therefore, I shall never talk of it again to friends or anyone else.

[–]1Halfjor 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Either he'll learn one day, or he'll die being even more frustrated with the world and tortured by his inability to make things happen for himself.

Any guy who thinks fucking lots of women is immoral is instantly the lowest tier of beta in my mind. I have a friend or two that are betas. For sure. But they aren't like that. Light social anxiety, lower confidence, but still with a ton of potential. They don't bring me down, and I know they'll probably come around one day. That type of guy though. Fuck him. Absolutely delusional.

[–]FinickyFizz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your comment needs to be read completely in your own cultural context and can't be taken out for general Red Pill

[–]forgotmyothernames 36 points36 points [recovered]

I cant agree with unicorns like [this] (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhLxe1GoWykIeSS6P2) in the wild. This is the most redpill chick I think I've ever seen.

[–]newspaper_nerd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Holy crap, i must be dreaming.

[–]DrunkNewb 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Children should be handled... but a grown adult woman should not need to be handled by anyone."

Wow. Preach.

[–]CaptainCardinal 20 points21 points  (13 children)

Notice how she says embrace the most high's purpose for their life. I find it interesting how closely related trp philosophy and a biblical marriage are. Book of proverbs has all kinds of wisdom about women. It's all there. A unicorn is a woman in submission to The Lord brothers.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Our ancestors knew better. Blue pill men shame our ancestors by trashing their knowledge.

[–]melaisilme 3 points3 points [recovered]

What she is saying in the video is exactly what is preached over at RPW. A+ video.

[–]Onemanwolfpack23 67 points68 points  (2 children)

Sucks dude, but betas gonna beta. Best to just let them beta around.

[–]dan_legend 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I have spread the red pill gospel to many men and women, but you have to know when they are ready. You can't just go springin' it on people. You have to get them to admit the underlying truths first in their own mind. And no one can deny the truth if you frame them in story types of ways that also show them what they love most, feels.

Its kinda funny, blue pills biggest weakness, feels, also converts them, isn't that why a lot of us are here? We all had feels hurt and finally realized, wait, emotion fucks me over, I just have to handle myself and everything will work its way out as long as I improve.

Edit: An example: Plate - I have explained to many people and got it to catch on what a plate is and avoided explaining RP theory because it is a simple truth. All male & female relationships are nothing else other than plates, any sudden unexpected movement can have disastrous consequences leading to no longer being able to spin the plate. Thats when you understand how waiting and holding any intentions back will make your plate fall off just like waiting a month into a friendship telling a girl you want to be with her. Its breaks the plate, so thats why you establish your true intentions at the beginning.

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[–]Riddlebottom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is more like taking a horse to water just to have it kick you in the face and run away.

[–]Spiral-knight 7 points8 points  (2 children)

After reading this sub for a while this advice has proven difficult to follow at times. TRP does not need defending, least of all by me but whenever I see the term tossed out by women in other subs. Who have RP confused with a beta-turned-ass it can be a challenge to hold silent

[–]laere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know what you mean my brother. There are times at work, my parents, friends, and what not say things that i just want to roast them for. TRP is something you find, just something within you leads you here. The entire world is blue pill, as much as you want to preach TRP (preach it here), some things are better left alone. If that makes sense.

As long as you have this knowledge, you have the power to do great things. And what some poly-owlkin-genderfluid-tumblrcunt thinks or says doesn't mean jack shit at the end of the day.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yeah but defending it and caring what ugly bitches on reddit think is beta as fuck

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[–]DrRehabMonsterReborn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For some people red pill mentality does not end with women.

Recently I was cut off by a friend who felt I no longer was beneficial to him. While I do support red pill for my own self improvement, I really hope that I do not come to the point where I give up child hood friends over it. When you begin to look at life as a mathematical equation it may be easy to cut off ties with things that don't contribute.

[–]manwhowouldbeking 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You tell a man the truth and he calls you a liar, its his loss.

[–]iamnotfromtexas90 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged."

[–]1Jaereth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I hate these posts. Two of my best friends lead absolutely deplorable lives. Then we were playing cards one night and the two of them start commiserating about "Oh we have no luck with women, we are getting so frustrated with the situation."

Right away, we hear them say "Luck" with women. Yes, because that's how me and the other guy we were playing with are successful, luck. We just get lucky over and over again. Being fit and keeping a meticulous personal appearance probably doesn't have anything to do with it, no not at all. The lazy bitch boys could never bring themselves to accept a reality that the level of success they want to achieve requires a lot of hard work they would never be willing to put in.

But then again, look how it's affecting their lives? It's obviously pretty important to them. Guys, when is the last time you went out with the guys and then whined about how life's not fair? I can't imagine doing that. Especially on poker night when several dudes are over and we are just trying to have fun after a work week.

But, there they sit. Whining about the state they are in. 30 pounds overweight, lazy as all fuck, and "unlucky" with women. Let's jump back to the poker game.

All I've ever said to these two is "I can tell you how to be really successful with women, and pretty much every aspect of your life, but it's hard work..."

Boom. End of conversation. They wanted to hear no more. I actually talked to one of them about it in private a bit. I told him some very basics. I said he's going to have to hit the gym and at least get that body back to average. I told him he's going to need to get routine haircuts, shave daily. Improve his clothing a bit. I said only after that, could we work on "game". I told him the game will be very easy once you improve yourself to actually be desirable.

And that was it. No action was taken on his part. So you know what? Fuck him. We don't owe anyone else anything. People running around like "I need to help my friends get RP" are just ego stroking themselves about how cool they think they are. Live your life for you, and if a friend honestly comes to you for help, and is willing to work at it, fine. But there's no need to try and evangelize to the betas of the world. I've found that most of them sexual betas to begin with because it's bleeding over from being lazy and worthless in the other core areas of their life.

[–]laere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly how I changed my mindset after being here for over a year. Once you find this place you just want to run around and shout to the world about how it's fucked up and this and that. But then you realize no one is even going to listen to you and even if they do, they probably won't give a shit. I have friends who are the same way, and you know what, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Life fucking sucks, but as a man you need to grab it by its horns and fuck it. Once you realize this, life becomes your bitch, and you run trains on it all day baby, all fucking day.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is terrible advice. I have a solid group of 3 friends at work who are my trusted inner circle who I talk about my feelings with, and red pill discussions are very frequent. These are SAFE people.

No More Mr. Nice Guy specifies that it's important for a recovering nice guy to find people that are safe to discuss your feelings with. Otherwise you're not going to have an outlet. I've lost friends and FAMILY over red pill discussions. Good riddance. This is your life, do you really want to walk on eggshells through it?

[–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You didn't lose a friend, you lost baggage. You lost deadweight. You don't need people in your life that aren't happy for any way (short of criminal activity) you make yourself happier.

[–]buster2209 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I've lost friends due to my RP beliefs.

Good riddance...

[–]laere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Open-mindedness is one of the biggest things I look for in friends.

[–]xyzone 12 points13 points  (9 children)

I tell anyone who asks. It's a good way to filter real friends.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (4 children)

It's also a good way to catch social ebola. If you work in corporate land it's a good way to get fired.

Think as you like, but behave like others.

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not everyone exists in the corporate world. I also tell anyone (male) who asks and seems genuinely interested. But I've been sharing my apparently "extreme" political views (libertarian) for many years and I see TRP as quite tame compared to that. You try telling the average Brit that you want to abolish the NHS and BBC and watch them meltdown into a rage. RP concepts by comparison don't provoke anywhere near as much.

[–]xyzone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In the corporate world, perhaps, because your sustenance depends on it. In my personal life, anything goes. I don't want to be around bluepilled mental dwarfs.

[–]princenotsocharming 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Please read 48 laws of power summary.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. Tone it down for them a bit perhaps - but always tell it like it is.

[–]1R_E_D_1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That definitely feels unfortunate, I'm sure. But this guy was never your friend. If telling him this makes him suspect your intentions toward him then he was gonna let you down at some point anyway. His departure did you a favor. And 20 years from now he'll look back on this day as the day he fucked up with a friend.

[–]1theoctopuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once, or if, this guy gets "lucky with any women he will understand.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The standard politically correct response to the question "how are you able to just get girls like that?" is to shake your head a little as if you don't really know and then claim it's all just down to "confidence, self-belief and natural attractiveness I guess" A beta will swallow that right down and accept their place in the food chain beneath you. That said, it won't counteract any jealousy issues.

[–]BCFtrip 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indirectness is god, most people know deep down the way things are. The other day I was talking to a secretary who is the postergirl for AWALT and in two years, The Wall, I worked in a complaint about the kind of guys who try to get girls by showering them with gifts and attention, I got a "omg I know right? That just feels so weird, like what else does this guy have going on in his life if I get the attention?" A lot of rapport came with that: if women want guys who "just get it", find a way to show you get it that doesn't make them look bad.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I pissed off a bunch of people in my circle of 20 something friends last night by saying feminists want prostitution to be illegal because it keeps the value of pussy/ltrs artificially high by enabling men who have no other assets to offer a woman besides BB the ability to get pussy anytime, anyway they want it.

Resident feminist in the group was pissed, resident rpw agreed mostly but then comforted lil miss feminisms cause her feelz were hurt.

I foresee fee long term issues though the are used to me being the black knight of the group.

Fuck your friend and his bitch ass jealousy

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds like he's bitter that you can get girls and he can't. And that's understandable from his AFC point of view but it's a lame reason to end a friendship.

[–]RedRisingHood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should not be discussing sexual strategy IRL simply because your actions should seem effortless and unplanned, even if you avoid RP terminology, even if you are not branded a misogynist you still lose some of that magical sheen which makes you stand out, the moment you put your success down to specific reasons.

A magician never reveals his tricks, not because he wants you to believe in magic, everyone knows it's baloney but because the moment they see how its done, it's no longer fascinating, it's a lame trick.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

brother, his belief system is more important to him than your friendship, as opposed to your friendship being worth nothing. he is not well, indoctrinated in to an alternate reality where women are honorable. take pity on these lost souls

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I don't even mention a red pill view and am labeled a rp neck beard. Just don't talk to people who don't understand. They will just claim you're a misogynist.

[–]Verlier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminder, you don't need friends.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminder : this was a shit friend, good thing he's gone from your life

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if you can't differ in beliefs and still be friends, you weren't very good friends to begin with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

RP is nothing more than understanding psychology and using it to better yourself.. people getting mad over it are just ignorant

[–]phrostbyt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a way I can see his point.. A lot of folks here become so indoctrinated by rp theory and culture that they become intolerant of opposing views.. On the other hand, he should be able to handle your ideological shift if he's your friend. My bet is that there was something else going on.. You were probably shoving the rp down his throat.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He did you a favor by departing. Now that you're RP, it's time to step up to a better group of friends. Your old beta friends will just bring you down. Plus they're like crabs in a barrel. When they see you having success with women, rather than trying to figure out how they can have success too, they'll just hate on you and cockblock whenever possible.

This is especially important if you are new to RP. You may backslide if you keep hanging around betas.

I saw an interesting quote a while ago. "You are the average of your five best friends."

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He sees my success with women as wrong and what I do as manipulative and evil. He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

Someone linked to the site The Rawness yesterday. One of the articles I read there described the difference between people with a Winner mentality vs those with a Loser mentality:

Now you can always tell a winner mentality from a loser mentality by how they react to viewing situational winners. Losers see winners in a situation and try to visualize either how it should be the losers winning instead or try to think about how the winner doesn’t really deserve to be winning and got his gains unfairly. A man with a winner mentality sees someone winning in a situation and thinks, “Why is he a winner right now, and what can I learn from this?”

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may have angered him at the moment but eventually he will see it for what it truly is. Maybe because of what you have said he will be able to see through the bullshit that women give him before it gets too late for him

[–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude is either a super bitch or always had something against you. If not that, then your delivery may have been fucked up.

Even when I was blue pill, I would have just called you an asshole and left it at that. Been a bit disappointed and just avoided talking about the women you fuck with.

[–]xthemoonx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"those who mind dont matter and those who matter dont mind"

seems as though your 'friend' is and always was a retarded jackass. you are way better off without that dumb ass in your life. at the same time i think TRP is only a baby step in the right direction as it tends to deviate people from a more desired path, a path which does not include resentment, hate, bitterness, and the sense of 'im better then you', something i see waaay too much in trp sub.

[–]Endorsed Contributorthelandofdreams 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if people blacklist you because they disagree with you about something, they aren't people that should be in your life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would love to hear more of this story. I'm dying to know exactly what was said.

I mean, what specifically does he consider "evil?"

You: "I've decided to look out for Number One and stop putting the pussy on a pedestal."

Me: "How dare you? Have you no decency? Consider our 22-year friendship finished, Sir. Finished, I say!"

You: "Yeah, I'm going to go get in a workout and tap some ass, so ... "

[–]qwertyleftme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was not ready to be unplugged. It's ok, there are other friends to be made, new adventures to embark on.

[–]Derzu_Uzala 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Red Pill changes you and some people will resent you. Get new friends.

[–]RosewoodPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh and PS, that's not a real friend.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was doing Red Pill before I ever realized it existed. I only learned of it when someone in XX told me to come to this subreditt. I just called it being an man, sometimes being an Alpha Male and understanding that most people are stupid, weak, and easily manipulated (essentially 99% of the population on any given day). That playing by other people's precepts and expectations is a stupid way to live one's life. You have to live for yourself and what you want out of life. If you want pussy, chase pussy, become the best pussy chasing hunter you can be. If you want money, become the best money chasing hunter you can be. Money begets pussy if you play it right. Money begets power if you handle it right, power begets people who want to be in your company (do not call these people friends unless they prove themselves truly to be so, otherwise they are just more pawns for your amusement and use). And of course power begets pussy.

People come in lots of varieties from good to evil. So you have to decide how you want to play, and it's best to play for your own high score. The fact this is called RP is kind of funny to me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

go find some better friends. This guy will only end up leaving you for a girl anyways.

[–]throwaway-aa2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

See I disagree, and I'll tell you why.

Fuck em.

....No seriously, fuck em.

We've been surrounded by absolute pussies our WHOLE life. You call him your friend, right? Are you proud of having a friend who would so quickly throw away your friendship in such a non rational way? He doesn't "trust" you?

This is why I love TRP....because everyone likes to talk about love & friendship & the importance of family... but at the end of day, I never really felt loved, it was always a "If you're respectful and don't offend your parents / friends, then they will love you back" which is such bullshit that I clearly see now. Redpill teaches us that a womans love is conditional.... clearly a man isn't a women but we can also come to a similar conclusion about people in general... the terms for your friendship and love for a lot of idiots out here is conditional. The subtext is: "Don't you dare say the wrong thing, even if you have cogent reasons for them, or you risk our relationship". Seriously? What the fuck do people based their relationships on?

OP... it may have been a childhood friend, but honestly he's not your friend if he has the capacity to do that to you. I know this is corny but... I wish we were friends.

Every "friend" of mine hated conflict, hated having to go through the "trouble" of actually making rational sense (can't be bothered with that can we?), and loved to talk about their feelings and why you can't "tread on them" for their feelings. Let's have a discussion about this: what are the purpose of friends? Maybe this can be a separate post... but what are the point in them? I think people go out of their way to maintain friendships that are not entirely mutual in nature. I think people maintain friendships because of loneliness, I think they do it because we as humans have a hard time letting go of bonds created. But I think we are all familiar with having a friend that a lot of the times acts in a way that makes us question why we choose to associate with this person, but the thought of "breaking up" with a friend doesn't even register. I definitely know I used to (and sometimes still do) entertain friendships with people just because it's like "well I don't have any better friends" or "well I haven't hung out with this person in a while and I would feel bad if I didn't". I think I give a lot of people the benefit of the doubt... I think I hang out with people just because it would be a dick thing to just be like "you sort of annoy me 60% of the time with how you choose to conduct yourself... no offense but I just think we shouldn't be friends anymore". But I think this is something where I'm at the point in my life where I have a higher level of introspection to recognize and maybe change my beliefs on. But I will say that since I've joined the community, I've cut almost everyone I've associated with out of my life. You are who you surround yourself with... no wonder I've been such a fucking pussy my whole life. That was MY realization.

I'll summarize. FUCK THEM. You're better than that. I'm better than that. I think we should start looking at our relationships and bonds and what we've perceived them as, and then take a closer look at them and see them for what they really are: a relationship that is predicated on the participants not rocking the boat.

[–]circlhat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In my experience it depends on who you talk to, some of my low income friends really gave no shit and thought rp stuff was obvious.

even in front of girls , they simply said, "Some girls, I'm not that kind of girl". I obviously didn't push the concept of AWALT.

I'm truly surprise your friend would leave you over this, when I preached RP to the parents before. Is there more to the story? did you call a girl a bitch or something?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (3 children)

He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

That's why I stay anonymous/seperate from my writing identity. I don't need every person I meet distrusting me because they read my website, and get scared/paranoid everything I say to them is some elaborate headfuck they can't discern BUT ARE JUST SURE is happening. Fuck that bullshit.

These are most relevant:

http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-3-conceal-your-intentions.html

http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-38-think-as-you-like-but-behave.html

Can't do that when everybody knows WHAT YOU TRULY think, can you? It'll be constant guard up 24/7, whether that person's an enemy or not, they'll see you as one because their fear (or if the objection is moral, disgust) causes them to distrust you.

You have to test people before you tell them controversial things, don't assume they'll be on board.

[–]erniesmoove 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I agree with you. Though, sometimes when you see a close friend make this "avoidable" mistakes you want to at least say something to help him.

This close friend broke up with his girlfriend and is doing all shit wrong. Playing extremely Mr Nice Guy, getting played by girls, attending evangelical groups because girls tell him to, going in a religious retreat because of this women and not saying "bad words" because they dont like it.

Its fucked up. He looks depressed and I cant help to feel the need to help. To say at least what he is doing wrong.

Any approach on this?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to fuck his girl (or if you don't have it in you, get another guy to,) get video of it, and send it to him (along with text messages from her to the other guy.) Break his heart and free him at the same time. His lust/love is being weaponised against him by this hoe. Better you take some punches from him, for him, than letting this crazy bitch lead him to hell with the promise of pussy disguising itself as love. Of course, when she's gone and you have a black eye, you have to get your bro a new hoe. Save him from himself, or forget about him. It's your call.

[–]dbie22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If he can't handle the truth then he's not good for you. TRP needs to be shared as much as possible, we and MRA are all that's left as a resistance to the misandry conspiracy going on.

Who needs friends like that, really? I'd keep him as a contact but I'd NOT go as far as calling him a friend, a friend is there for you no matter what. True friends are like unicorns.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When asked, I share. It weeds out the useless people

[–]Faeyrin_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe you should try to listen to a 22 year friend's opinion about RedPill before you try to preach to the sub about the ironic dangers of losing 22 year friends who are against RedPill.

[–]imeneo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will only even discuss the sanitized version with friends who really show potential to change. As far as I'm concerned, everyone else can live in their world of false beliefs. I don't have the time to go around trying to change people all day.

This is another way that trp is amoral: we can't feel bad for those around us that have been programmed and we sure as hell can't be surprised when they don't accept that they are blind.

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For sure avoid it with anyone that is not in the group of your best friends. Especially at work.

There recently was a topic/comment on how to talk red pill and the important part is to leave out all abbreviations and red pill terms. Don't mention SMV, beta, alpha,.., But tread with care anyway.

If your friend doesn't want to talk to you anymore because of a difference of opinion well it's his loss. What do you gain talking to a butthurt beta loser? There will be 100 other topics you have to tip-toe around, eg. you couldn't really consider him your friend.

[–]starvinmarvin30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ones that matter find a way back to your life. At least you offered the RP to him and that alone in my eyes is a true friend. I find myself in a similar situation of wanting to share the RP truth to every friend I care about. I want to spread this knowledge so badly that I sometimes find myself talking to myself about it in the car or in the shower! For now Ill just continue to be a good person and a good friend until I feel the need to shove the RP truth down one of their throats. Hey you never..the pill might just be stuck in his throat. Just give him some time to digest it.

[–]SunshineBlotters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same goes with PUA tactics, which often shares common ground with RP

[–]quakeboy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I had to learn this pretty fast. RP can help, only if they seek the truth and need the help. They need to submit after everything is broken, and are desperate.

This is why most of us reach/accept/seek it only after a devastated heart-break from BP.

Media and society has done enough to term the RP as bad/manipulative.

Moral - Help only those who seek help. Its not their fault. I was a white knight once, you were too. Remember that mind-set, would you have accepted?

[–]thinktankman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You explained it wrong

You cant just throw the theory at him and honestly if he drops you over this shit at the age of 22 fuck him

[–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's sad but it's true. People like him hate the player instead of the game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knowing what the fuck you're doing =/= manipulative.

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your friend seems very effeminate, both in his views and his reaction to your views. I'm not sure why you had a friend like that in the first place.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a pretty bluepill response to what happened to you today. You are right that he obviously didn't value your friendship, and that's all you should be concerned with. Did Neo remain in contact with his bluepill friends? No, because any one of them could be Mr. Smith. Sorry, that's what seems to have happened to your friend.

You could also think of TRP as AA for bluepillers. One of the rules of AA is to separate yourself from your alcoholic situations and friends. Luckily, most of my friends subscribe to many of the same beliefs as myself or at the very least, keep an open mind. If is truly a friend and not a mangina, he will be back, if not, find better friends. I do agree you should keep this shit out of the workplace though. Your personal life/views should not be on the menu there.

[–]spitfire7rp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First mistake I see is no is taking into account the person they are telling and sadly the people that need it most will be the least likely to receive it well. I talked about red pill straight up with my buddy that's a natural alpha and it was like the sky is blue and the sun is hot(he even helped me understand things better) but if I talked to his brother about it I'd be called a rapist most likely.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder how a company could fire you if you were sugar coating everything and speaking "appropriately", as in not using the loose terms we throw around here.

You murrians can get fired for just about anything but surely there are steps where you could come away better off with the right legal help.

As fucked as the world is I don't think you'll get fired for merely saying you need to be assertive around women. HR scabs will play up but once their professionality goes out the window you're in for a fun lawsuit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Moral? Do not share your RP beliefs with anyone. You never know who is going to, in their misunderstanding, be offended, label you as manipulative and sexist and black list you from their life. For me it was a childhood friend, for you it may be a career or a family member.

Ask yourself if they are more important than you. If you need to sacrifice your own beliefs to appease them. Does that sound like how a man should be? No, it's not. It sucks when you lose those around you. Not everyone wants to hear the truth. However, you are going to lose friends/family as you grow as a man. That's the whole point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He'll come back when he wakes up. Don't worry.

And yes, remember the first rule.

[–]2Sepean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That he thinks you're manipulative is just his hamster. The real problem is that you're telling him that he's a beta, that women are shoving him around and his compliance to their wishes is exactly why they won't fuck him.

That's what he can't accept. That's why he doesn't want to talk you. He'll rather hamster that you're evil than man up.

[–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to say that I find the comments here a bit too negative. We all know how important good male friendship is, and you shouldn't lightly let a 20 year friendship die like that. He's not a "little bitch" as other commenters say - he just hasn't taken the pill yet. The hate here towards Bluepillers is pointless and serves for nothing.

My advice to you is to be understanding of his point of view, and to not shut the door on him. In fact, tell him that you were good friends before you discovered the Red Pill (did he think you were manipulating him then?), and your door will always be open to him. Good friendships shouldn't be tossed away lightly.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What Redpill stuff did you say? More specifically what redpill thing did you tell the dude about getting women that he got so pissed at you?

Like really. Just what are you doing to get women to bed you?

[–]Madkids23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been slowly introducing a couple of my more inexperienced friends to TRP after watching them try to talk to women with no success. They seem receptive so far, but in OP's case, the question sounds loaded from the beginning.

[–]erniesmoove 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last night a close friend of mine remembered me about this.

Hes going down a bad path after his breakup and is going full beta nice guy. Even joining some evangelical group for some girl that left him there because she went back to her "douchebag" ex.

I cant help to think how I can help him. To at least say some words and make him see the shit he is doing. At the same time im remembered he isnt going take any word I say well, he will probably react just like youre friend.

[–]symko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't be upset at losing your friend. His position in your life is more dangerous than your worst enemy because you have your eyes trained on your enemy.

With him it's Brutus stabbing Julius Caesar. Blues are NOT your friends they will only bring you down. Get them out of your life, then better yourself.

[–]absoluteskeptic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Red Pill is one of those hot button topics like religion and politics. I'm atheist and have no desire to talk about religion, except in a historical sense (which is always very interesting). My mom is a die hard feminist, and although she's questioning assumptions she made 40 years ago (mostly proved false by The Red Pill), I have no intention in adding to the destruction of her world view. Just like a religious person needs to come to atheism on his own, a feminist needs to abandon that failed 'ism' in her own way. I don't mind dropping hints, but I avoid direct confrontation.

Religion and many political ideas require faith that they are correct, empirical evidence is of no value. In fact, most people will double down on the failed idea feeling that it hasn't been tried hard enough to succeed. Seeing her (at 70) make the same mistakes my 11 year old daughter makes only reinforces many of The Red Pill truisms. They will both act in very irrational ways, often counter intuitive and destructive. Not all women do this, my sister is very balanced at the moment, but it hasn't been that way in the past.

[–]SnoopKittyCat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although you are right if you want to fit socialy the fact of hiding all the non conventional thoughts because it's likely to offend the politically correct mind of most people can be unbearable. I see that all the time being around lefty brain washed liberals, many time you can't help but call them on their bull shit. Being around brain dead republicans would be the same just for good measure.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Red Pill is just like "waking up" when it comes to how the world works. Hell, that's where the red pill term comes from.

Everyone needs their Neo or "Truman Show" moment before they will accept the fact that the "reality" they see around them is fabricated....and not in their favor.

Doesn't matter if you're trying to tell them about women's hypergamy or explain that the President of the United States is far from the most powerful person on earth.....you are a nutter to be shunned until the person has discovered, for themselves, that something is fishy about what they've believed for so long.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find it way easier to justify what I do to my friends if I just tell them that I hate women. I don't hate women but when they see me doing what I do, it is the easiest explanation.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Red Pill doesn't advocate PUA strategies as it's primary focus.

If you are a "Cad" (manipulative fraud) then your friend might have good reason to distrust you.

It's okay to talk about Red Pill if you are seeking Alpha in life, but if you are PUA, yes, keep your mouth shut.

[–]absolucion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With regards to your personal experience, count your blessings. That was a childish reaction on his part and you don't need people like that in your life.

As for the message you're trying to send here, you're just stating something that most subscribers and lurkers should already know.

[–]thereddespair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Id imagine if you would, make sure you dont use typical red pill keywords or ever say 'red pill'.

[–]fifth0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He sees my success with women as wrong and what I do as manipulative and evil. He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

Sounds really paranoid.

[–]InfiniteBauer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should have explained it as "I'm just being myself." BPs love that kind of language, and "who you are" is a RP man. If he really wanted to be like you, he could have read between the lines.

[–]Anderfail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My best friend reads TRP all the time as well and came about it independently from me. We talk about it all the time and we each have something to add because he's single and I'm married, so our experiences are quite different but both ultimately go back to the true nature of men and women.

Of our group of friends, we are the only two who are truly TRP. Some of our other friends are are in the PUA group, but they still can't internalize Red Pill theory and still whiteknight women.

[–]wtf_is_taken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think he was really looking. That is the problem. He just was not ready. Some people never are.

[–]HalfysReddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The concept of influence can be frightening to some, because if you are good at influence others, you may be influencing them, and they have to rely on faith that you will not take advantage of them.

I can be rather influential when I want to be. This quote from the character Jeff Winger on Community really hit close to home for me:

I discovered at a very early age that if I talk long enough, I can make anything right or wrong. So either I'm God or truth is relative.

But I have also found that often times, disclosing this makes other people uncomfortable. They may begin to distrust you and analyze your interactions through the lens of a potential victim. I am now only open about this aspect of myself with people I have a particularly intimate relationship with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of my friends are naturally red-pill and they don't even know it. Although most of them including myself generally fall under the category of the typical person that a "Nice Guy (™)" calls an "asshole"… Sounds like your friend was one of those guys. As long as you're just talking about banging chicks and having fun it shouldn't be a problem. I could see your friend having a problem with you if you went full dark-triad and started talking about raping chicks or ranting about how all women are sluts/subhuman.

One of my good friends who's a TA at a university actually mentioned TRP to me because one of his students (female) in the gender studies class he's working in was writing a research paper on it or something. The both of us go on reddit but I just pretended I had heard of it before but never checked it out.

The funniest part about it is this guy bangs a lot of chicks, he's even banged a few students before. He's actually a red pill guy (doesn't take unwarranted/unecessary BS from women, doesn't offer up exclusivity for nothing, knows how to take the lead etc..) and is teaching a gender studies class.. All of the chicks in that class WANT him.

Good thing he's there to "sexually liberate" them. LOL

[–]TasmanianTigerBlues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I take Gandhi's quote to heart in regards to situations like this: "Be the change you want to see in the world". Along with the rule in writing: "Show, don't tell."

People can't learn anything from other people telling them how it all is. You have to lead by example, and let them judge your perspective by your actions and success.

This goes along with maintaining frame among women. They want to be shown how alpha you are, not told.

[–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a difficult time comprehending the possibility of losing a friend of 22 years over any TRP philosophies. Granted, I'm known for saying outlandish things and speaking my mind, so perhaps it's a matter of frame. If people are used to another person saying controversial things, they will be more likely to accept it than if it comes from a person who usually does not, since in the former case frame was already established.

I've been very open about TRP ideas, even to strangers. While I don't mention TRP directly, so far I haven't encountered any problems and people have nodded in agreement. Perhaps it's the delivery?

[–]goodboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've lost nothing. You've gained insight into an old acquaintance's character. He was never your friend, because he was never truly loyal. True friends are not the guys that bail you out of jail. They're the ones sitting in there with you. Those other guys just like to either feed off you or pick up the scraps you leave behind.

[–]ddundly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, fuck him. If he is jealous and resentful, then he is a bitch. Long time friend or not, if a guy lets your success with women change his view of you so drastically, then he just isn't the kind of guy you should be friends with.

Why be around someone you need to walk on eggshells with, and always watch what you say? Real friends are ok with agreeing to disagree.

[–]rangamatchstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I share my views fearlessly, its a great way to sort out whos worth being around, unless I have to be on good terms with them I will talk about rp, pickup, or any idea I have as I please.

[–]Doomsday_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you really want to be friends with someone who won't accept you for who you are?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He may come around after he cools off and thinks about it. Maybe leave him a message that your door is always open if he decides to change his mind.

From that moment on, consider him lost and move on. Write him off and focus on your friends that are more confident and open minded. If he never contacts you again, it's his loss.

[–]Sknowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the ideas mentioned in red pill are so offensive to everyone else, why is red pill even a thing?

[–]TheBadGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's unworthy of your time at the moment. He'll be back after he goes through some self-discovery.

I take the time to explain to my people that TRP isn't "Girls are dumb. Girls can't drive."

It's self improvement and evolutionary social mechanics.

Plus, I'd rather risk losing people trying to make them stronger than let them live a lie.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"lost one of my men. gotta remain focused and make it home again"

[–]falcon10474 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I beat people over the heads with red pill truths like this

It's ALL ABOUT DELIVERY.

If you do it like those old timey hell fire and brimstone preachers or condescending in any way, people WILL hate you.

You HAVE to do it with humor and love. The best person to ever do this was our lord and savior Patrice O'neal. Here's one of the greatest examples of him just beating everyone with the red pill on a radio show.

[–]Ibex3D 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I talk about TRP concepts with a lot of people. With my friends I use the language of TRP(well I don;t use our vocabulary cause they dont know it but I don't sugarcoat it). My friends are all very crass and we can take blunt shit. With other people? Sugar coat it! I tend to sill be pretty blunt about it but I'm in a social position in my department(I throw the parties) where I can get away with saying just about anything so I do. Never talk about this shit without a veil to people you don't know can handle it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His reaction of leaving is pure weakness. Another step towards AF ascendence.

[–]sanglupus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have planted seeds in his mind that will be difficult to shake. Eventually perhaps they will take root and weaken the foundation they have dug into. Maybe even one day, he will thank you.

[–]srsh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but you're title is completely wrong. You tried to enlighten a friend and he was so unable to comprehend, he freaked the fuck out and terminated a friendship on the spot.

Once you get over the initial shock of lost friendship, you'll evaluate this relationship with less emotion. Then you'll be glad you're not wasting any more time with him.

[–]tedted8888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably be downvoted for not calling this guy a blue pill bitch, but I think one of 2 things happend here. A) you let your standards for friends slip or b) your communication in this instance was offensive.

a) did this guy continue to give you value in your life? Why did you not cut off the relationship when you saw he was leeching your energy? Or did you not see that?

b) I really hope you weren't like an athiest telling a christian "lol god dosen't exist". If a friend is dating a gold digger, Instead of being like, 'your a bitch, cant you see she's manipulating you', one needs to speak so the friend will listen. Ask begging the question type inquiry, like 'how is this woman providing value in your life', 'did thouse 200$ shoes benifit you', 'you pay alot for sex, is she a prostitute or do you really love her', 'do you love her for sex or does she provide some other benifit'.

I honestly suspect its a little of both a and b. Calling him a bitch and saying good riddance is blue pill. Red pill is learning from the situation.

[–]Espada18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He doesn't trust me and thinks he's another person I manipulate and use.

Your friend is a huge idiot, you've literally exposed yourself to him and he feels threatened, when it should've had the opposite effect. I'd fear the magician who never reveals his secret than the one who does. But yeah, TRP theory can be a shock to the system; reminds me of a stunt someone pulled at a party I was at 2 years ago, someone added LSD in some dudes non alcoholic drink, not being aware the drug kicked in and the dude was doing everything to fight the drug. You wouldn't really blame him for his reaction, but in a different context and right setting, he might have actually benefitted from it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He would have left regardless. I had a friend like that. He cock-blocked me back when I was learning about PUA, I even shared a few of the simpler concepts to him. I know it sounds like I'm proving your point, but fuck it, good riddance, he would have left anyway.

[–]mrdenver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First rule about red pill don't talk about red pill.

[–]invictusprotocol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Choose better friends, OP. I have a select close group of friends that only talk redpill knowledge and the observations that we've all experienced. Don't meet a new person and start dropping knowledge, that'd be retarded, but I have at least 15-20 friends I can talk about this stuff all day with, and it only makes us better men. Guess what, if you drop redpill knowledge on a girl and destroy the "I'm a feminist" shit test, you're going to fuck her. Condition yourself better socially, and fuck those people that hate you for living the best life you can. Doesn't sound like a loss to me at all.

[–]Upan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You dodged a bullet. Let that friend go.

[–]NorthernSpectre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good, let him stay a lonely virigin. He sounds like a fucking loser.

[–]Mmagikarp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We were talking about this a couple days ago in the IRC. I go by the name of "primeval". My beta buddy didn't leave, probably because

A) He really needs me.

B) Deep down he knows I'm right.

BUT, he did call me a "manipulative". Because I use tactics when I aproach some one, but I've always approached almost everything with a plan. Like Batman I have a plan for when I don't have a plan, "The, Johnny Knoxville".

Maybe you're in luck, maybe he will call you back once he realizes that you as a matter of fact, you were right.

The reason why I believe this is because, YOU his child hood friend, explained TRP theory, he will be aware of it.

I have to ask. Was he jealous of you?

[–]diablo_fuentes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Show don't tell.

Like everyone else here said, fuck him. You need to find new friends, because trust me I have thrown redpill bits here and there and I yet to have a problem.

Just don't use the terminology, and try going to places republicans (not necessarily social conservatives) go.

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nonsense.

I have a wide range of friends. Some are criminals, others are drug users, and some are very blue pill. You wanna know what they all have in common? They respect my freedom to make my own choices, and I respect theirs. They dont get into a childish pouting session if I say something they dont like - at worst, we might quibble for a bit, and then leave it as well "lets agree to disagree"

If your friend got upset for something you said, then he wasnt your friend but an intolerant bastard.

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