Field Report[FR] “What makes you think you have a shot with me?” (self.TheRedPill)

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I’m currently on a semi-monk mode and still in kind of a slump about my ex, but a friend of mine got accepted to law school recently so he wanted to celebrate. Being that he is a bro who would go out of his way for me I accepted his invitation to the type of place I hate most on earth – a country bar. So we were gathered at our booth talking about how great it was that my buddy got in to a good law school close to home when I saw this girl. She stood out from the rest at this place – really my type. Naturally dark skin, green eyes, long black hair, and a body that clearly spends some good time at the gym, whom was sitting alone at the bar. I thought to myself if I don’t do this now, I never will so I got up and approached head on.

I got there, introduced myself, and pulled a Mark Manson’s version of “I saw you and thought you we’re gorgeous so I had to meet you” because I did truly mean it (thoughts on this? Admittedly my night time approaches are weak). She smiled at me and giggled then said “What makes you think you have a shot with me?” and continued laughing to herself. This caught me a bit off guard and I laughed right back. If you guys taught me anything it’s that a girl with that type of attitude isn’t worth my time. When we were both done laughing I looked at her and said “With that attitude, what makes you think you have a shot with me?” and I turned around and walked back to my friends. Didn’t look back for her reaction, didn’t care. I got back and they asked me what happened and I told them. They found it funny and started poking fun at me while looking back at her and laughing their asses off (most of them were pretty drunk at this point).

I continued to have a great time with my buds, didn’t even think about her. About 2-3 hours later I feel a tap on my shoulder as I was watching people get flung off the mechanical bull. Low and fucking behold it was the same girl. She told me that she was sorry for her behaviour and what not. I accepted and started some conversation but not thirty seconds after my buddy called me out to go onto the mechanical bull. I really didn’t give a shit about her at this point so I just went right on up to it.

I stayed on for quite a bit and had a crowd gather around to cheer me on – which was probably some pretty good social proof. Got thrown off after beating the nights record and she was at the front of the crowd smiling and clapping. Fuck it. Literally just went to the edge of the platform, leaned over the foam wall and pulled her in for a kiss. And I did not expect her to be so enthusiastic. Guys… I’m still chuckling to myself about this. I literally maybe spoke to this girl for a total of thirty seconds. Me walking away from her during our first encounter, a crowd cheering me on for social proof, and no one else approaching her (I honestly don’t know if she was approached or not after I left her, I’m just assuming she wasn’t) was enough for her to decide to be attracted to me.

Woke up in her apartment this morning to the smell of french toast and maple syrup. I think I just got my first plate.

[–]1beerthroway 345 points346 points  (13 children)

Everyone is going to comment on her shit test and how you handled it. Some will say you appeared offended. Others will say you looked like the AMOG since she saw you were the only one with balls to approach. Some will like the move and consider it effective for low effort (which I personally think this one. Efficiency is great imo).

Many will offer up potential responses for the future, but it doesn't matter what you could have done, because what you did worked. Not everything has to be perfect to bag girls that think they are hot shit and you proved it. Don't worship them and they'll worship you.

Nice report man.

[–]-Awake- 64 points65 points  (2 children)

"Don't worship them and they'll worship you" might be a new personal mantra. I love it

[–]nuferasgurd 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Just as a God doesn't worship his followers, his followers worship him. This doesn't mean the God can't love his followers, it just means he has the power. Don't go thinking you're God, but know you have more power than you think.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (2 children)

This. She might've just said fuck it, no one else is approaching me.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Or she shit tested them all and they beta-ed there chance away by explaining their value instead of demonstrating their value.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Different things work on different women too

[–]sendinthetanks 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sometimes all it takes to get some is the stars to align. Right place, right time, right girl. Well done

[–]ABProsper 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Seconded. All that matter is that it worked. Congrats !

[–]612magxl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Another good one that I just heard last week is:

Treat her like a princess and she'll treat you like peasant.

[–]TheDon835 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really agree with this, especially after reading some other comments.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 60 points61 points  (0 children)

If you guys taught me anything it’s that a girl with that type of attitude isn’t worth my time.

That's not a bad attitude, that's a shit test and a very pleasant one at that. Any cocky answer is fine. She's giving you the opportunity to display masculinity and saving you both time. Shit tests are great for getting girls hot for you quickly.

Good work on all of it :)

[–]NeoreactionSafe 68 points69 points  (0 children)

I love stories like this.

It's really the reason Red Pill exists because nights like that really do happen.

She loved it.

Be "above" her and she gets the Tingles. Be "below" her and she sees you as a child and not worth anything... a Beta.

Like the country song...

"Don't let your Beta's grow up to be Cowboys".

[–]sympathetic_receptor 69 points70 points  (6 children)

Can't argue with results. Maybe a, "You're confident. I like that" could have done the trick. I thought maybe your move came off as bitter, but I was wrong. Definitely helped you had the social proof to pull through.

I think I just got my first plate.

Congrats. And just remember, in case you ever start to catch feelings: she kissed and went home with you after talking with you for 30 seconds at a bar. She's done it before and she'll do the same shit with another guy one day too. Enjoy while it's your turn.

[–]Mazz0 30 points30 points [recovered]

Yeah she is not a very interesting person aside from her beauty. I don't think feelings will be too much of a problem, and honestly I don't expect this to last very long.

[–]rpkarma 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Just remember dude: she's not a plate unless you've got two.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

A side on its own is a main

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 32 points33 points  (0 children)

If you've been in Monk Mode you're likely more vulnerable to oneitis. For the love of God, if you plate this girl go straight out and get another one. The best way to avoid oneitis is to have multiple options. Take it from someone who found out the hard way.

[–]Geleemann 92 points93 points  (0 children)

She smiled at me and giggled then said “What makes you think you have a shot with me?” and continued laughing to herself. This caught me a bit off guard and I laughed right back. If you guys taught me anything it’s that a girl with that type of attitude isn’t worth my time. When we were both done laughing I looked at her and said “With that attitude, what makes you think you have a shot with me?” and I turned around and walked back to my friends. Didn’t look back for her reaction, didn’t care.

I love this. Abundance mentality.

[–]CriticalThink 13 points14 points  (3 children)

You know what I love about this subreddit? The fact that you can tell this story without being called a liar (along with a plethora of other insults). In nearly every other subreddit on this site, you'd be roasted for sharing your experience of being a confident, assertive male.

[–]RPGoon 4 points4 points [recovered]

So true. We don't have that crab in a bucket type beta mentality. Every other sub I see people getting upvoted for calling themselves forever alone losers so it's not surprising.

[–]CriticalThink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. It's sad to see men embracing their flaws instead of fixing them. It's like they don't even realize that they can actually remedy their condition instead of just living in misery.

[–]SeekingTheWay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

people like other people to be forever alones. that way, they don't pose threat to themselves.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 37 points38 points  (5 children)

What makes you think you have a shot with me?” and continued laughing to herself. This caught me a bit off guard

Whoo boy. This most basic Shit Test caught you off guard? Read Bang and Day Bang and The Natural forthwith. The boys here did NOT tell you a girl like this is not worth your time. AWALT.

So you treated a girl who disrespected you with cool indifference, put her in her place, ignored her, and then went to have fun. And she apologized and was DTF after that?

Who knew?

[–]Mazz0 19 points19 points [recovered]

Yeah it did. I'm relatively new when it comes to approaching women. After reading some comments here I guess she was into me from the start, and I just misread her and acted like a douche.

I was pretty surprised with the affection she gave me afterwards. I personally don't see myself as having an SMV high enough to do what I did but hey, I guess it was all in the moment.

Ill be reading those books when I can, thanks for the recommendations.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It worked because you did several things in one. You went for the nuke with a pressure flip, and displayed higher value with an abundance mentality. You displayed that you were there strictly for a good time, and didnt care for her bullshit. You then sealed the deal by going in for a kiss when she displayed IOIs by approaching you again. Very straight forward textbook stuff. Pass the shit test, display masculinity, hit the girls just want to have fun button, and scored.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She shit tested you because she thought you would be like most guys and try to prove yourself to her. She found out quickly that you are not like most guys and will walk away the moment a women disrespects you.

Her attraction for you may have already been there but it increased the moment you walked away. You came across as a man who has self respect and doesn't care what a beautiful women thinks about you. What is held high in society? A beautiful women.

You basically told her that you don't care who she is, you don't treat people like that, especially me. And when you actually walked away and never went back to her she was probably thinking about it a lot and every moment you didn't talk to her the more she wanted you. Good stuff. Men need to learn from this.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 11 points12 points  (1 child)

No, that is chick think. It's all in the moment. It just happened. Fuck that off right now. Your SMV depends on your confidence and your I Don't Give A Fuck attitude and it is higher than you think.

Now you know how it works but don't downplay this. It didn't 'just happen':


[–]interestedplayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but its great insofar as that you want them to think that "it just happened", right?

[–]dannydavis 15 points16 points  (15 children)

I think it really depends on how she asked "what makes you think you have a chance with me" how its best to respond. If she said it with real snarky tone and an absolutely disgusted face, then you made the right move. But if she said it playfully or even just plainly, which is how I read it, then your response might have come off as being very sensitive and insecure; possibly butthurt. But that probably wasn't the case since the end result was still good. She will be the first of many.

[–]Mazz0 12 points12 points [recovered]

At the time I didn't even think of her being playful... I just automatically assumed she was being a bitch. I got to work on that guess.

[–]xinhoj 42 points42 points [recovered]

You handled that masterfully. Don't doubt yourself.

When interacting with girls I perform a mental exercise that is rapidly becoming habitual. I ask myself "Would I tolerate this behavior in my 4-year-old niece?" If the answer is yes, they get a smile, a chuckle, playful/positive verbal feedback and/or some kino depending on the mood of the moment. If the answer is no, they get a frown/Look-Of-Disapproval, or even a sternly direct "Behave yourself" with cessation of any kino.

Condescending? Yes. Effective? Try it yourself. Works on females of all ages, hammies to hotties.

[–]1beerthroway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Works on females of all ages, hammies to hotties.

Considering how weak minded most men are, this type of correction works very well also. Men are a little less receptive to withdrawing type of communication, but they definitely pick up on a correction. They often won't catch the body language correctly, but they'll know when mean business if you do it right.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought his reply was smooth but the walking away immediately was risky. BUT its clear his intentions were set on hanging out with friends more than finding a plate.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And for ONS, plates, GF, fiancées and wives.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Even if she was trying to be playful, it's a pretty rude thing to say. I like the way you responded to it either way.

Come to think of it, if you was being playful, what you said still seems like a good playful answer. In any case she'll likely read into it what she intended, making it still correct.

[–]rpkarma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I'll often err on the side of "being an asshole" moreso than "playful asshole" if a shit test comes up that I'm not prepared for. As long as you are not always responding in that way, you'll do fine, and I've found that it can get me through situations past me would've struggled with.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was better though: now she feels she needs not just to flirt, but to work for you, that you are the prize and she has to apologize to get what she wants, which is to fuck you.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Frame and game rule all. The folks at RSD have shown us the way. Many of their instructors can pull make-outs in under 5 minutes. A year ago I got one with a early-mid 20s 8+/10 (I'me 50+ 6/10 looks on a good day), no words exchanged. Fucked her after another 5 minutes of convo. (Took me over 4 hours of constant eye-contact/approaches throughout the club, and I spent over 5 hours the next night with zero results, but the proof of concept has been made). I hate clubs.

EDIT: Several people have commented that OP might've seemed butt-hurt with his comeback. This is a possibility (see my other comment on this post), but OP fixed it by being VERY brief (no opportunity to display butthurtedness) and then completely ignoring her for the rest of the night and having lots of fun - classic 'outcome independence', as the evo-psych crowd would say.

Folks, you want to know why this all worked? Shit tests, or, more properly, fitness tests, are a GOOD thing. They indicate that, yes, she is attracted to you, but she's not completely sure. When you blow them away, as OP did, the tingles magically commence. A commenter on Heartiste, YaReally, purposefully elicits a MASSIVE shit test that he easily passes, and fucks a lot of married women that way.

Good on you OP. Maintain frame of Amused Mastery.

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Shit tests, or, more properly, fitness tests, are a GOOD thing. They indicate that, yes, she is attracted to you, but she's not completely sure. When you blow them away, as OP did, the tingles magically commence

Swear I post some variation of this every week. Thank you.

Tests are your opportunity to be evaluated. They are the chance to prove your worth. A quality man should welcome shit tests, because he knows how to handle them. He can prove his value.

An athlete does not hate the judges. A RP man should not hate shit tests.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I post some variation of this every week. Thank you.

You're most welcome. Got to hammer the fundamentals. Check my history and see how many times I say "Demonstrate, don't explicate. Women talk, men do."

An athlete does not hate the judges.


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Link to this guy's post? Great tactic, that....bet you anything he reads Sun Tzu frequently.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm over 50, read it 3 or 4 times. Art of War, that is.

[–]phaed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do link to that commenter's comment.

[–]madrealworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"she shit tests me because shes interested in me." this gives me a boost.

[–]SunshineBlotters 12 points13 points  (0 children)

“With that attitude, what makes you think you have a shot with me?”

Mah nigga. I never thought of this line. Thanks!

[–]David35207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It surprises me how pissy and negative a lot of people are about this successful FR. It doesn't matter how he handled the situation so long as he maintained his own frame. Sure, he didn't use the strategy or words you would have used, but fuck guess what, he accomplished the mission.

Rock on brother, and remember how your actions led to your success and repeat that process in the future.

[–]sinalpha 36 points37 points  (8 children)

“What makes you think you have a shot with me?”

"You had a positive rating on The Erotic Review plus your ad claimed you accept travelers checks."

[–]DopeSmokingPope 57 points58 points  (3 children)

That's funny but would fly over the head of about 80% of girls and you would get a blank stare.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Well the larger problem is that you're response is clearly you trying to be funny and get a laugh. OPs strategy is better because it's not trying to amuse her with a clever joke.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didnt see it as a joke, i seriously don't think a lot of people would get that. Especially when its spoken verbally.

[–]AZTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

98% most guys don't even know what that means...until they google.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

It's clever, but I know very few girls who would get that.

[–]HS-Thompson 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And the ones that do ger it might not be the highest quality of female, if ya know what I meam.

[–]newmeforever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I could come up with comments like this.

[–]waitfor_ittt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

These are the field reports we need. Bravo, reading this was a pleasure.

[–]Philhelm 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Woke up in her apartment this morning to the smell of french toast and maple syrup. I think I just got my first plate.

So you didn't stab her thirty-eight times and stuff her lifeless corpse into the trunk of your car? Hmmmm...maybe I'm doing it wrong.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm more worried she's going to put him on a bulk to keep him for herself

[–]94redstealth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well done Sir! You walked with confidence and owned the night. Keep up the good work, you are an inspiration.

[–]williesmokes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You live in Texas, don't you?

[–]winnnnnnnnn 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Lol can one of the veteran members here please explain how calling someone on their shit for disrespecting you in a calm manner playfully or not and then excusing yourself is insecure / butt hurt? I mean unless its completely obvious and coy which does happen this is the perfect response in my opinion. With where I am now with regards to red pill and game. This is the response I would have given. Simply because no one particular random girl I approach at a bar is doing me a favor their tons. Now if you blow up which I've done and even instigated fights (back in my anger phase days) that's a problem. Anecdotal a girl tried to pull this with me after we had already had sex. We were already intimate so I gave her benefit of the doubt but even in that scenario. The moment I decided I had enough and put all of my shit on and had made peace with walking out. She invited me back bed side and started giving me head. I mean I don't know besides packing on 10-12 pounds of muscles and becoming aesthetic as fuck TRP taught me a thing or two about dignity, and self respect and if dismissing yourself is butt hurt / beta I'm find with that. I wouldn't let Angelina Jolie get away with this shit. If the red pill taught me anything its that respect is free provided you respect yourself... As a matter of fact the more you start to respect yourself the more people enforce barriers on their own behavior. Its almost like they can sense your boundaries. Anyone else experience this? I've had girls admit to themselves they couldn't swindle me into a relationship with things like "I know I can't control you" and other subtle admissions of defeat but I'm starting to really develop my sense of confidence and who I am as a person. I don't force that on anyone but I certainly don't take shit and quite frankly with the strength gains I've made over the past 10 months don't have to and people hardly if ever try it. I think its something about communicating with women and people in general in a friendly manner because you know yourself vs trying to put on some type of front. Its so much easier.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 5 points6 points  (1 child)

can one of the veteran members here please explain how calling someone on their shit for disrespecting you in a calm manner playfully or not and then excusing yourself is insecure / butt hurt?

It's all calibration. Is the response socially appropriate to the behavior? To the degree that the man moves away from the behavior manifested by his Amused Mastery, he moves closer to butt-hurtedness. Another way to look at it is what the evo-psych people call 'outcome independence'. Caring too much about the outcome indicates to a woman that you are not alpha. If you were alpha, you'd have other options.

[–]Mild111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I would have said something random but nonsense that could have been taken as condescending...like "Okay, whatever, princess plum"

Then she would be wondering wtf princess plum is supposed to mean. And after asking her harpies and google searching, then she would have to reapproach....that's when you unload "So what makes you think you can talk to me without an apology?"

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

posture, tone, facial expression & how long you wait before leaving and appearing happy/content when you leave.

That's key as much as what you actually spit out your mouth for words.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're all gonna make it, bro. Great job on the approach, the aloof attitude and all.

[–]gregd28 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

That was a shit test & you failed. She wanted a coy comeback with a smirk, instead you ran away. The rest sounds made up. /r/thathappened.

[–]Mazz0 2 points2 points [recovered]

I have a problem recognizing shit tests and girls who are just being bitchy. I always just assume the worst of people, but I'm working on it.

[–]Ovadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe you can actually use that instinct. In the future if you get the feeling she's being a bitch, make a point to always treat it as a shit test. At the same time, in the back your head set a clock ticking - she's got 5 minutes to prove she's not a bitch. Hopefully you said something that demolished the possible shit test. If so, great, tingles. If not, or she is just being a bitch, and doesn't do anything to prove otherwise you kept your losses minimal. Also, with that clock ticking in your head, you are now thinking about options, what next, who else here is worth approaching, your body language will subtly convey disinterest. You just showed interest by approaching. You'll make her wonder. Give her hamster a good cardio workout.

[–]gregd28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to approach though. That took balls

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She made you breakfast? Nice. Never does a girl do that for me. I guess maybe I should consider country bars after all! (I hate country music so I never do that)

Glad to see you passed the shit-test with flying colours. It was indeed a shit-test and there was no better way to do it. Walking away with no comment is a "pass" in not being denigrated but how you did it assured your lay, plus the follow-through of course off the mechanical bull.

Solid slow-clap for you, bro

[–]BadassRPMofo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes you do the right shit for the wrong reason and get away with it. Good on you for realizing why what you did worked, even if you didn't recognize it right away. Congrats for learning a valuable lesson and adding another tool to the toolbag.

[–]TheBadGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rogues are intimidating. Way to go, dude.

[–]newmeforever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you all feel about this response to her comment?

"I bet you think you're hot shit, huh?"

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I don't believe this happened. If it did than that was some pretty crappy game and or she was extremely desperate.

She threw a shit test at you very early on that you seemed to Fuck up, not Fucking up the initial shit test is key to building attraction. Especially if you are going in direct. Going direct is kind of like tounting her to shit test you. And if she is hot she deff will. If you Fuck up these shit test she slots you in with the rest of the beta losers.

[–]HS-Thompson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This story is absolutely plausible, honestly it sounds familiar.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're the only one who thinks so.

This was properly and expertly executed and the results will be the same for almost any of us in a similar situation.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bunch of other people think so too, look through the comments.

Op didn't even say that he fucked her, just that he woke up in her place.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YOU are overthinking. You think that for a desirable girl you have to do something cool or difficult. In fact, by thinking so, you are pedestalizing her.

OP's story is very credible, a useful FR.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love it! You should settle for nothing but respect from women. If they aren't treating you the way you want to be treated then just walk away.

[–]HAMMURABl -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

She smiled at me and giggled then said “What makes you think you have a shot with me?” and continued laughing to herself. This caught me a bit off guard and I laughed right back. If you guys taught me anything it’s that a girl with that type of attitude isn’t worth my time.

dont be butthurt. it was a shit test. possible reply: "you will see"/"i make girls feel good" smirk, just alluding to anything sexual

[–]1RPB1 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Where's the beef? Can't argue with French Toast dude.

His walking away was appropriate because her first response was to put herself on a pedestal and then try to get him to qualify himself, pulling him into her frame. By flipping that shit from the beginning so that she had to qualify herself to him, instead she got pulled into his frame. In essence, he turned her qualifying question into a dis-qualifier for herself. Her hamster probably ate away thinking that she'd have to play nice if she wanted an alpha.

I'd call that a job well done. He not only demonstrated value and held frame, but he communicated that he doesn't have time for stuck-up bitches. When she backpedaled and became his cheerleader, all he had to do was escalate and the rest took care of itself.

Men are supposed to be cocky, in women it's insufferable. Sure it was a shit test, but he had to take her down a peg and establish that in order for her to be worthy of his time, effort, and sex, she'd need to conduct herself more respectfully when dealing with him.

Would that tactic work in all situations? Of course not, but if a woman's first sentence to you is something like that, you don't lose anything by walking away. Ain't nobody got time for that shit.

EDIT: Typos and wording.

[–]winnnnnnnnn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! bro I thought I was the only one.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, why knock success; we can work on refining the technique for future use, but this was a good FR. French Toast in the morning would work special magic on me, and having 100% real maple syrup on hand would be a +1 on the potential keeper index.

I've been thinking a lot about the Women are the gatekeepers of sex, Men are the gatekeepers of commitment concept lately, and in this viewpoint she's given the sex and is now negotiating your future commitment, read more sex.

I'd take it as an opportunity to really enjoy the pancakes together, then in the afterglow instead of succumbing to your full satisfied belly and gushing promises as she's probably hoping, play subtle hardball setting the terms of these future trysts according to YOUR terms, not hers as she's angling for.

The post-coital breakfast is an emotional/bonding moment for women; precedent-setting and important to recognize and play accordingly. Whether you want her as a plate, fwb, potential girlfriend, whatever; recognize this as your best time to set her expectations and get your way. If you're really good at it, you leave her feeling your relationship terms were HER idea all along.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But he didn't come across butthurt, he came across like he was genuinely amused, because he was. His reaction was similar to the reaction to this: What makes you think you are good enough to have a tea party with me and Mr. Bunny? Inside your head you'd think "Why would I lobby for the chance to spend my valuable time with such a spoiled brat?" and your action would follow that.

[–]Geleemann 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It could have been done both ways. In the end his way still worked out for him.

[–]johnhello -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it sounds like she joking/flirting with you with the do you think you have a chance line. But this one all worked out for you anyway haha. good job man :)

[–]RojoEscarlata -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As stated before it was a shit test, and like any ST there are multiple ways to pass one, I would have gone in an entirely different direction, but can't argue with your results.

I would like to expand on your opening though.

The kind of opening Mark Manson uses as approaching and directly complement a girl maybe frown upon many here, but you can say the exact same thing to the same girl and get different reactions.

And the reason is simple really:

1: who is giving the compliment, obviously if your SV in her eyes is very low any compliment is going to insult her, but if a male with high SV does it its a whole different story.

2: betas usually use compliments as a tool to get something from women, meaning that they say "you are beautiful/cute/etc" even if they don't truly feel it, and in hopes to be complement back or get something back from said compliment, like attention. This is disingenuous and weak and women can smell it a mile away. When an alpha/high sv man compliments a woman he does it because he really things so, he is stating a fact without looking for something in return. Meaning he is being honest in his intentions.

3: as Mark says if you are able to be vulnerable (through honesty) towards women without any fear or care of their response you are showing that your ego doesn't depend on her reaction/response to you, which show what we call abundance mentality.

That's why this kind of approach has been part of my game from a very long time now, its easier for you and the girl in question to state your interest in her fast without ambiguity.

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At least be productive in your negativity