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Men's RightsStudent kicked out of college classroom for questioning "1 in 5 college women sexually assaulted claim". (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]Science_isthenewcool 266 points267 points  (111 children)

For a "liberal" college they don't do well with liberal thinking.

[–][deleted] 119 points120 points  (46 children)

The word liberal has been hijacked to mean exactly the opposite of what it originally meant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

[–]Cum_on_doorknob 37 points38 points  (42 children)

I still call myself a liberal, because I follow the ideas of John Locke and Adam Smith.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (15 children)

I'm also liberal in classical sense. It's better to call yourself libertarian in this world.

[–]TheCrimsonSea 24 points25 points  (13 children)

I would agree, except calling yourself a libertarian will only end poorly, unfortunately.

[–]TRPtophan 24 points24 points [recovered]

That's interesting, I've been calling myself libertarian, not voting, and not watching the news for about 20 years and I've never been happier.

edit: typo'ed the # of years. :-P

[–]Surf_Or_Die 14 points15 points  (1 child)

News is a fucking tabloid. It will just make you miserable and feel like the whole world is coming apart. That's how they make their money. Fuck it. It's a good to have a general idea of what's happening in the world but don't get sucked into the media hype. On topic; I've never known a liberal who actually respected any conservative voices. They will resort to ridicule or temper tantrums every single time.

[–]dy-lanthedane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not this way. But playing devil's advocate, it is possible some people take challenges to their beliefs as attacks.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I think he meant calling yourself one, not being one. I once mentioned to a couple friends in passing that i was a passive libertarian and they said i was a shitty person because of it. Since they're both creationists, which i try to avoid talking about so i don't calling them idiots, this caused a bit of a stir within me.

[–]TRPtophan 11 points11 points [recovered]

Yeah, I know what he meant. Nope, I wear that badge with pride when asked (I don't advertise it). Let the haters keep on hating. I'll gladly shut myself in my library with my guns and my weed and keep on not giving a fuck about anybody but myself.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's cool to hate on Libertarians these days, since at the heart of what they believe (I consider myself perhaps even more of an AnCap these days) flies in the face of party politics and government in general. It also gasp calls for human beings to be responsible for their own well-being to the extent that they can be. And of course this is not popular with the voting population. Rationality and intelligence, of course, aren't big with them either.

[–]Glenbert 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and I call myself un homme because that's what they call a man in France.

[–]DworkinSaysMoo 4 points5 points  (11 children)

/r/iamverysmart not about your ideas, but about the silliness of using the antiquated version of a common term .. it's like using "wherefore" instead of "why" - nobody knows what you mean, so you're just being a douche by using that language

[–]Redrog1 17 points18 points  (7 children)

In Europe and most of the world liberal still means (classical) liberal. Its only in the USA that the meaning of the word changed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It's pretty much been appropriated here in Canada too. Back in 19th century it was the Liberal Party who pushed for free trade with America while the Tories (Conservatives) railed against it. Now everything is a big clusterfuck of who knows what.

[–]Surf_Or_Die 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can only speak for Switzerland as that is where I worked briefly but it's not true for Switzerland.

[–]csehszlovakze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here the word "neoliberal" is used to describe these people and with great contempt.

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In most of the world liberal still means liberal. It's a phenomenon of American academia where the proponents of oppositespeak have hijacked the word. I generally avoid using the word altogether for fear of confusion since the internet is so global.

[–]Gstreetshit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. That is why I don't refer to them as liberals.

[–]TheRealMewt 157 points158 points  (21 children)

Oh it's perfectly liberal... until someone goes against their groupthink.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You're allowed to believe whatever you like, so long as it's on this pre-approved list.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 15 points16 points  (17 children)

Just like nearly every other group.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 58 points59 points  (15 children)

“That’s when he crossed the border from his right to have his own beliefs to harassment,” said Clara. She said that she never felt physically unsafe, but that she is a survivor of sexual assault and True’s comments made it hard for her to concentrate in class as well as other courses.

Typical. A woman says "I've been raped, and therefore you must shut up because I feel 'uncomfortable'"

Who cares if you feel uncomfortable? It's not another persons place to make you feel "comfortable".

What if his views on drinking made an alcoholic feel uncomfortable?

What if his views on dressing made an Islamic woman feel uncomfortable?

What if his views on marriage made a married couple feel uncomfortable?

Etc.

[–]Foulcrow 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The Offended Olympics: whoever feels uncomfortable, gets their feelings hurt, or thinks something is inappropriate first, wins. I guess the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[–]suloco 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What the fuck are you downvoted for???

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Some angry little princess must have floated over from /r/im_special_because_vagina ... and since she couldn't accuse me of assault, she downvoted instead.

[–]ShekelBanker 5 points6 points  (10 children)

"Crossed the border from his right to have his own beliefs to harassment"

Says enough right there that if you go beyond the groupthink, you get shut down.

"survivor of sexual assault"

Figures, another unsung "hero" of "I got shitfaced, had sex and regretted it, hence it must have been assault".

[–]SimianFriday 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Figures, another unsung "hero" of "I got shitfaced, had sex and regretted it, hence it must have been assault".

Look, I agree with the general consensus in this thread, but let's not pretend that every victim of rape is somebody who just "regrets it later." Is she being unreasonable? Yes, she is. Do you know anything at all about what happened to her? No, you don't.

[–]Hellse 9 points10 points  (5 children)

It's the word "survivor" that bothers me, your life was not in danger.

It's still horribly wrong, but "survival" means you may have died otherwise.

[–]SimianFriday 7 points8 points  (4 children)

That's fair. Pretending to know she's someone who just regretted her own actions is something else entirely.

I personally see no issue with using the word survivor in most of these contexts because A) rape sometimes ends in murder and B) the second definition of survivor is simply someone who copes with difficulty in their life.

[–]disposable_pants 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For as much as we abhor the victim mentality here I'm surprised we aren't bigger fans of switching out "sexual assault survivor" for "sexual assault victim."

[–]Hellse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, I was actually unaware of that alternate definition. Thanks

[–]ShekelBanker 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The problem is that there are so many women, especially at college age that lie, and so they drown everything legitimate. There have been both men and women that years ago said that this will be the result of all this self-victimisation olympics, and here we are, in the Year of Our Lord 2015 and it happened.

[–]George_l_rockwell 63 points64 points  (9 children)

Liberals (like George Orwell) used to be ones fighting for free speech. Now they have created their own religious dogma of cultural Marxism and they will silence anyone who dares to question it.

[–]Redrog1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

George Orwell considered himself a socialist, not a liberal. Granted he was not your typical socialist and would have absolutely despised most people calling themselves socialist nowadays , but let's not change the affiliations he decided.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 13 points14 points  (5 children)

More and more each day i'm equating liberalism with feminism. I've never met a feminist who wasn't a liberal, nor a liberal who wasn't at least sympathetic to feminism.

[–]1sailorJery 8 points9 points  (3 children)

hi, I'm a liberal who's not sympathetic to feminism

[–]2IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Seconded. I'm not "liberal" in all areas, I'm more of a centrist, but I definitely lean left. I'm sympathetic to first wave feminism only, because it was about equality. The rest can go fuck itself with a cactus.

[–]NakorZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First wave feminism essentially began with the suffragettes, and they couldn't careless about equality. They took the right to vote but didn't pay any price for it, unlike men who only got the right to vote because they also had the obligation of being drafted. And they shamed men who avoided the draft even though they wanted no part of it themselves. Like everything else that followed, the foundation of feminism was hypocrisy and entitlement, not equality.

[–]1sailorJery 1 point2 points  (0 children)

exactly, it's just that the right wing mentality in the US is so far away from the center that I come across as a left winger to them

[–]1nzgs[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Liberalism is a useless label, especially when you use it to refer to illiberal ideologies. Modern feminism is rooted in cultural-marxism, that's why they tend to come as a package deal. Nothing to do with liberal free-thinking.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Every generation has to re-invent and re-brand the idea of freedom because it is inevitably hijacked by the cult mindset.

[–]anecdotal 20 points21 points  (27 children)

Hijacking top comment to post this follow-up story:

http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/19/male-students-non-pc-views-on-rape-stati

This story sounds...not as sensational. The guy who was kicked out also sounds like a douchebag. You'll see why when you read the article.

[–]disposable_pants 32 points33 points  (25 children)

You can tell he's probably a massive dick from the original article:

True, whose Facebook page says he studies “How to Annoy People”

“I know many people aren’t comfortable with taking the stances I do, but I’m not a sheep,” he said.

She said True upset students when he said that it was understandable that the Holocaust happened given that people are not often taught to question systems of oppression, and made other comments about race and class.

Dude's 19. There's about a 95% chance this sort of stuff means he's a colossal douche and a 5% chance he has an enlightened perspective, presents it reasonably, and is getting screwed over here.

Probably the most relevant part:

But the turning point was when he refused to stop discussing his beliefs on rape, even though sexual assault survivors told him outside of class that it made them uncomfortable.

It sounds like he's shoving his views on people despite them asking him not to. Ever had a friend or coworker with pretty radical political views and they just won't shut the fuck up about them? Even when you ask them not to? Even when the discussion doesn't have anything to do with them? That sounds like what this guy was doing.

[–]nofaprecommender 5 points6 points  (5 children)

OP acts like TRP is a bastion of free speech and no one ever got banned from here for repeatedly and obnoxiously shoving their contrarian views in the face of the dominant paradigm. He didn't get kicked out of class for his insightful skepticism, he got kicked out for being a neckbeard.

[–]OurMindsLiveOn 14 points15 points  (2 children)

If you read his email, there's a link to a video of a short 2 minute speech of his. Just listening to his voice, it makes complete sense why nobody wanted him in the class.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

She said True upset students when he said that it was understandable that the Holocaust happened given that people are not often taught to question systems of oppression, and made other comments about race and class.

Is this suppose to be a small part of a larger idea of general douchey ness because this seems like a very straightforward and almost undebatable idea: people go along with dumb shit because they're to comfortable standing up and questioning why.

[–]disposable_pants 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I agree with his point, like I agree with him on questioning the 1-in-5 myth, like I probably agree with him on a number of things -- I included it more because it sounds like he dragged the Holocaust into a discussion that doesn't have anything to do with it, which is common among aggressively outspoken and/or insufferable people.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

But the turning point was when he refused to stop discussing his beliefs on rape, even though sexual assault survivors told him outside of class that it made them uncomfortable.

I have to respect him for that part. Whenever this topic comes up in a college setting you find 7 out of every 5 women have been gang-raped by their uncles (of course there was never a police report - hey, are you victim shaming?) and you're making them very uncomfortable so you need to just sit down and shut up and admit you're just part of the rape culture.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It depends. If the situation is as you described then yes, it's commendable to not back down from your stance. If -- and this is what it looks like -- someone keeps hammering on the same point after months (look at what point in the semester it is), keeps steering the conversation back to it when the class has a much broader focus (it's a general humanities class, not a women's studies class), and in general is keeping better discussion from occurring, that person is just a dick who's keeping other people from getting the most out of the class.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The quote says they wanted him to stop because he was making "sexual assault survivors" uncomfortable. I agree, though, if it was really about getting the class moving then he shouldn't have been so vocal.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The more I read about the situation the more I'm convinced it's the latter. The r/news discussion on the same topic pulled a bunch of quotes from the student newspaper and other reporting on it -- I'd take a look at that to get a clearer idea of what was going on.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She said True upset students when he said that it was understandable that the Holocaust happened given that people are not often taught to question systems of oppression

Ok, they are definitely overly sensitive if that's offensive; but overall, yeah, this guy is an asshat. It seems like not only was it not a topic of conversation as i originally thought, but he continued ranting about it on multiple occasions.

I can see why this might discomfort people, but they'll probably push through it if it's relevant or part of some speech in a class. Talking about it constantly is just being a dick.

[–]disposable_pants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I quoted that part because bringing the Holocaust into non-Holocaust discussions is usually a sign that the speaker is an asshat.

[–]evoblade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Liberal (as in liberal arts, the classic definition) had been replaced in the american conscious with meaning far left and extremely intolerant.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 93 points94 points  (8 children)

For those who want a more indepth and complete rundown of why the "1 in 5" stat is complete bullshit, check out this past thread.

TL:DR This stat has been thoroughly debunked, even by the Department of Justice.

[–]B_Campbell 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Emily Yoffe on slate Has been critical about the stat and had a pretty good break down on this. It was pretty sketchy math. They start out with 1.8%. Of course that gets rounded to 2. Double for 2 semesters even though you're not in school 12 months. The the kicker was multiplying by 5 because they claimed most people take more than 5 years for college now a days. That's how you get from 1.8 percent to 20. For reasons too numerous to state, doesn't seem like a very legit methodology to me.

I think the main problem is they're assuming a perfectly linear correlation. Like if you're just there long enough any girl will get raped. That's just not true.

[–]Jigsus 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Across the nation's four million female college students, that comes to about one victim in forty students.

We should acknowledge that's still a lot and it needs to drop further.

[–]NeomerArcana 2 points3 points  (3 children)

There's problems with the way it's initially reported though. So its far less than 1.8

[–][deleted] 162 points163 points  (109 children)

"He said rape culture didn’t exist, but I feel like I live rape culture every day.”

“It’s really nice to know that my school supports survivors and listens when they say they don’t feel safe."

I love how the truth in these colleges nowadays are no longer based on facts but how people feel.

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (12 children)

Reminds me of a thread in the relationship subreddit some some time ago. A guy found out his gf lied about being raped (before the relationship) and was confused why. The top comment was that it didn't matter, because she chose to identify as a rape victim, to which the actual act is not relevant. Which seems kind of silly because I actually figured being raped makes you a rape victim.

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Whats wrong with this? I am a murder victim, myself.

[–]Kiwikeeper 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Where is the world going? I'm starting to get concerned

[–]2johnnight 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The emotionally unstable are gaining power.

[–]foldpak111 6 points7 points  (5 children)

We're basically looking at a downfall similar to the Roman empire. Nothing you can do about so just enjoy the downfall.

[–]LukeThompson123 9 points9 points [recovered]

Except you're not surrounded by barbarians. The fuck are the mexican crims gonna do against your heavily armed citizens? You guys will be fine.

If anyone big fucks with you the rest of the west will jump in there too. You guys are in a great spot.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I mentally yelled "WHAT THE FUCK" at that.

[–]Gstreetshit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's why I identify as a half japanese, half nigerian, FtM trans otherkin murder victim.

[–]1jb_trp 80 points81 points  (67 children)

I feel like claiming to be a sexual assault survivor has become the new trump card in this whole rape culture discussion. "You can't question that there's a rape culture! I'm a victim of this rape culture!"

You're only going to lose and look like a complete asshole if you try to talk about truth and facts with a woman who believes she was a victim of sexual assault--whether she was an actual victim of rape or just believes she was. The SJW/Feminist worldview predisposes them to label any regretted sexual experience as rape. And why shouldn't it if it's all based on feelings?

[–]Kiwikeeper 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I feel this happens because we live in a society that is too soft. There are hardly any dangers to overcome, and yet we are told that everybody deserves to be a little hero. Thus people make up shit like this. If these idiots had to face hunger, disease and fucking hard work , magically a lot of common sense would appear in their mind.

[–]Gstreetshit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its almost like we need a huge catastrophe to save us. Depressing.

[–]1Halfjor 58 points59 points  (17 children)

My sister was actually raped. Full on when she was passed out drunk. She was a virgin too, and in no way was going to have sex with the kid.

Those women that talk about being a "sexual assault survivor" disgust me. You regretted that sex you had? Maybe you were a bit drunk and you wish you hadn't? Some creep kept grabbing your ass? Fuck you.

I witnessed first hand how it fucked up my sister. She cried most nights for months. She didn't want to tell anyone. Has a ton of anxiety problems now. Gained weight. Started suffering from serious depression. It destroyed her. I saw her transform from happy, hard working, outgoing, into that. I'm not ashamed to admit that I dream of having 20 minutes with a baseball bat in a locked room with that kid.

You don't get to claim that fucking title with your bullshit stories so you can be an empowered woman or a "survivor". They are just looking for ways to have been sexually assaulted. It's fucking infuriating. Although those minor things or regrets aren't great, they aren't even in the same universe as being raped. When you see first hand the impact of rape on someone you love you realize how despicable and petty these claims are.

These women are fucking scumbags.

[–]frogsinsocks 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Every girl I know who was actually raped or molested including a few who were fairly young, aren't SJW at all. It's odd really. My cousins, my mom and my great aunt all have really TRP beliefs. They all agree with me when I talk shit on stuff like this.

[–]1Halfjor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

My sister isn't SJW at all either. I think its because they've experienced the worst of men, and humanity as a whole. They dealt with how world shattering it is. That means they can't group it with shit like "manspreading" because they know all of that is a fucking joke compared to what a few fucked up men are capable of.

I think it unfortunately gives them a perspective on male behavior. When you've been raped you aren't going to be offended by an average guy spreading his legs on a subway seat.

[–]frogsinsocks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seriously. It really is terrible for our loved ones and those who have been violently raped. My current girlfriend and I hooked up a few years back a few times and I know two of them fit some legal definitions of rape. First time she was drunk and the second time she kept saying no but I kept at it and never got an explicit yes. The drunk time never bothered me, but the other time had me shook when I told someone about it and they told me it was rape. I was young and for years I was TERRIFIED that I had raped a young girl and potential traumatized her. Turns out she'd been in love with me ever since and I had been ignoring her because I thought she must hate me and think I'm scum. If I hadn't been desirable she could have ruined my life. I really despise girls who claim rape when they regret banging some dude. Especially when alcohol is involved like WHAT THE FUCK THEY WERE BOTH DRUNK.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We all know that women are incapable of empathy, but it takes a special kind of bitch to trivialize the trauma an actual rape victim goes through just for validation. My cousin was raped by a dude she trusted, after passing out at his place. If her university wasn't so far away I'd have hunted the clown down.

You want to know what she doesn't do? Make "Pay attention to me, I'm a special snowflake" posts on the internet. Shit fucked her up pretty bad.

[–]foldpak111 15 points16 points  (7 children)

I had an ex that was an actual rape victim. I walked in on it and the guy will never be able to walk again, shattered both his knee caps with a baseball bat. She never told anybody. Women who actually get raped don't go around preaching about it, and they feel deep shame. She actually broke up with me a month later because she wanted to 'start over'. Totally understandable, and that shit broke my heart. Seriously, fuck most women for exploiting that act for attention.

[–]Gstreetshit 10 points11 points  (6 children)

You walked in on it? Not to be a dick, but could it have been a defense mechanism because she got caught cheating? Because that happens.

If you don't want to go into specifics, I understand. No biggy.

[–]1aguy01 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's my first thought. This sounds like the story a year ago of the dad whose daughter snuck a boy into her room, and when he kicked in their door with a shotgun she said she didn't know who the boy was, so they guy shot the kid.

[–]vakerr 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Why was she passed out drunk?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Because people are not rational actors and/or overestimate their tolerance.

[–]ElderlyPossum 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Because sometimes you drink too much. Especially when you're young or have some reason to have an extra few. Happens to everyone.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (44 children)

If I must be the asshole, so be it. I won't stand idly by if men or women are preaching SJW bullshit.

[–]1jb_trp 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I see your point. But be prepared for when one of them drops the How-can-you-say-that?-I-was-a-victim-of-sexual-assault card.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

"I'm a victim of sexual assault!"

"I'm a victim of your invasive stupidity"

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Then you just come off as an asshole. Which yes, in some circumstances, you want that, but you're not winning an argument this way.

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[–]AnotherLostCause 5 points6 points  (37 children)

Social justice is a bad thing. It is basically the belief that people should be punished for making good decisions and rewarded for making bad decisions.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like claiming to be a sexual assault survivor has become the new trump card in this whole rape culture discussion.

Ironically, there's that word again.

[–]SnoopKittyCat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is interesting to notice that the entire vocabulary and rhetoric of this bullshit is the same than what is used for the holocaust... not very surprising though when you know that it's pretty much the same that push both agenda.

[–]small_L_Libertarian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

College is all about people's fee fees these days. Just got out of that hell hole last year.

Edit: I graduated with a degree in Economics. I would have down voted that shit too.

[–]cocoguard 4 points4 points [recovered]

Sorry, but feelings are real. I definitely agree that in general, reals > feels, but something that majorly affects people's emotions is reality. Example: the Holocaust museum will upset people, we know that for a fact and can plan accordingly.

This situation in the article is a bunch of shit. Just wanted to get that point out.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes they are real. But it doesn't make them more valid than facts. When people's opinion are censored due to how someone feels, then that goes against the very fabric of free speech. No matter what you say, someone somewhere will not like it. You should read more of the sidebar because the path to being a better man is to leave your feelings out of things and quit worrying about hurting peoples feelings when telling the truth. Women worry about hurting feelings. Stop filtering yourself. When you filter yourself, you will walk on egg shells your entire life.

MLK Jr. sure offended peoples feels but that didn't stop him.

Or check out Luther's 95 Theses.

It's amazing how history always repeats itself. But hopefully this time around, it will not be so bloody.

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (19 children)

Disagreeing with an idea like this in a super liberal town is like disagreeing with the existence of God in a church. I hope the young man learns from this and never repeats the same mistake.

[–]Areimanes 187 points188 points  (11 children)

The guy is in luck: he's challenging these statistics as a black male.

He has a foot in the Oppression Olympics (women, minorities, trans).

If this was a white male, there'd be more outrage on the Internet.

[–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (6 children)

Unfortunately for him, white women trump black men.

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 47 points48 points  (5 children)

Unless he comes out as an MtF.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (4 children)

He did the one thing a black man isn't allowed to do - he touched a white woman. In the feels. Game over.

MtF wouldn't matter. She still felt like he was a black male, and that's what counts.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I think you're giving way too much credit to insane people on tumblr and what they're feeling. Most of society would put a delicate white women on a pedestal far above a MtF trans person who decided to give up on being a man because was too hard.

Then again, I haven't been on a college campus in a while. Maybe shit's gotten even weirder.

[–]MagneticJohnson 20 points20 points [recovered]

someone needs to start a rumor that reed is racist

[–]ThePedanticCynic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let's be fair: he was shoving this down their throats. It wasn't relevant, and he talked about it on multiple occasions despite being warned numerous times to stop.

It doesn't matter what you're being an ass about if you're an ass. He was being an ass. They'd probably have done the same thing if some feminist kept ranting about how all men are rapists. It's just disruptive behavior.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

It wasn't a mistake to speak what truly lies within his heart. His act in my opinion is very TRP.

[–]jolly--roger 3 points4 points  (3 children)

you do realize it was sarcasm, right?

[–]unsure_RP_initiate 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm not sure if it was sarcastic nor do I think it should be. Think as you wish, but behave as others do. That doesn't mean agreeing. It means knowing when to stay silent.

[–]jolly--roger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I on the other hand think that lies, stupidity and idiocracy should be challenged, particularly at universities and colleges, where often opinions are formed and/or reinforced.

Luckily I'm not in the US, so I don't have to submit. I may even speak my mind

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes it's hard to detect sarcasm over text. I can see now how it could be sarcasm... I still stand by my statement though.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I feel like I went to a very strange college now. I went to a college that was about as liberal as Reed, but I could openly question what they said. I think the reason that I could do it was that I was always very polite about it.You really do not get anywhere when you are aggressive or rude. I would usually use the general approach of, I think X because of evidence Y. You claim Z and I would need evidence Q to believe you. Seemed to always work out for me.

[–]1cover20 9 points10 points  (4 children)

His arguments, while not as polite perhaps as yours were, seem to be tight and logically constructed, free of ad-hominem argumentation or any hint of personal attack. In other words, the sort of argument that supposedly must be unequivocally allowed in academia.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Academia is entirely window-dressing. You get much further in every class being polite rather than being right.

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True enough. Kissing up works pretty well, as I can attest from having done so myself. (Later in engineering courses I found that kissing up doesn't get it done, but that's because they are actually teaching you something there and require you to learn it.)

But his style is also supposedly allowed whether anyone likes it or not.

For Reed to do this is a real signal of their decline, to me at least.

[–]HS-Thompson 38 points39 points  (5 children)

Mental note - if you want to fight the SJW insanity in a liberal arts setting without getting railroaded and dismissed instantly it sure helps to not be white.

[–]TempusRerumImperator 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Imagine if it were a black female. The instructor's brain would explode. This guy is doing some NEXT level trolling though.

[–]ametalshard 0 points1 point  (2 children)

or a sexchanged black female.

[–]BrassBody 19 points19 points [recovered]

I wish he would have been more civil with his postings on Facebook instead of foaming at the mouth.

They are mainly using his social media postings as part of the excuse for banning him from the discussion.

Men; please remember to stay calm and collected if you make the mistake of debating SJWs. They will target the way you present your ideas instead of targeting the content of your ideas.

This is how SJWs debate when they see no logical way to counter your argument. They will constantly shame and divert attention from the valuable facts in your assertions. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS TRAP. Do not debate them AT ALL. We are above SJWs and shouldn't have to constantly debate them. It is pointless.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think you might be drastically over-estimating the number of fucks this bro gives.

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Do we know what Elizabeth Barker said to provoke him to call her a bitch and a cunt? I think it's likely she fully earned those descriptions.

[–]DoNotEatTheTail 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Other people's actions do not determine your response. Regardless of what she said, he is responsible for being in control of himself.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 83 points84 points  (8 children)

Don't you dare hurting my feelings with your facts! I've got severe PTSD from the time my cell's battery died and I couldn't order that triple cheese party pizza I was gonna eat all by myself and you calling me out on the bullshit I spread triggered me.

I demand you get stripped from your right to participate in the classes that you've paid for in return, because "vagina"!

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (12 children)

You can only buck the dominant ideology so long before being forced to concede. That being said, I did a paper on Rhodesia for the social justice class I took for easy credit - failed but damned if that wasn't a fun paper. :P

[–]95wave 10 points11 points  (7 children)

oh lord now there's a hot button issue.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Actually it more or less taught me 'social justice' was a bunch of solid bullshit. Mugabe wasn't even the capable guerilla leader - he just exploited ethnic divisions and got his genocide on in Matabeleland. Had Rhodesia stayed in the Commonwealth, it might have ended differently (it wasn't an apartheid society like South Africa). :/

[–]95wave 5 points6 points  (4 children)

pop over to dark enlightenment, we actually had a thread going about this sort of thing, hence how I knew about this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I tried that place but the people and mods were so obnoxious. I really wanted to give it a chance and be open to the ideas but then I got banned for basically asking questions. I'm pretty sure that place is like an SRS for redpillish people.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What happened in rhodesia? I tried googling it but I'm not sure what exactly the hard controversy is.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Try 'Ian Smith' and 'Bush War'. White minority refused to cede power, cue eventual 'national liberation' by the pro-China/DPRK faction led by Mugabe. Cue genocide of the Matalebe and the dispossession of the white Rhodesian farmers. Which leads to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_Zimbabwe

That being said, its functional enough for the fast food industry to be taking off like crazy there.

[–]George_l_rockwell 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Did they take kindly to your paper on white genocide?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think I ever read the response. :p

[–]through_a_ways 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Your rights end
Where my feelings begin
Groupthink will rage on,
The facts never bothered them anyway!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Kicked out of college is not the same as banned from class.

he was no longer welcome to participate in the “conference” section
of his Humanities 110 lecture-seminar class.

Also, this:

But it was his questioning of the widely shared and often debated
statistic that 1 in 5 women in college are sexually assaulted — it
doesn’t serve “actual rape victims” to “overinflate” numbers, he said —
and his rejection of the term “rape culture” that led to him being banned, he said

Guy totally has a fucking point.

[–]Kloohorn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

[–]1Ronin11A 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Hate to break up the fun, but it sounds as though the student in question wasn't quite the plucky altruistic MRA we want him to be:

http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/19/male-students-non-pc-views-on-rape-stati

[–]brokenshelf 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Sounds like he was kicked out of class mostly for harping on about it. Apparently it was a decent discussion initially, but he kept at it. Probably would have been better served if he'd just said his piece and left it at that. Gotta pick your battles, after all.

[–]BlackHeart89 4 points5 points  (1 child)

He shouldn't have been kicked out for the whole semester. If anything, the topic should have been dismissed and left alone. If you can't handle the topic issue, then you shouldn't be involved in it. Point blank.

Seems like some info was left out. Did the topic change and True just kept coming back to it? Thats just simply annoying. But I wouldn't kick him out for the semester, rather I would kick him out for that particular session.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They forgot the trigger warning in the article.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 18 points19 points  (1 child)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We should all be signing this

[–]yummyluckycharms 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Commented on that subject in the mensrights reddit right now. Believe it or not, some people there are saying that censorship is okay, and in another thread that some degrees of sexual assault are acceptable. Yes, you read that correctly.

To be honest, I've noticed a disturbing infiltration of SJW thinking on that reddit, and a failure by the mods to clamp down on that in an attempt to be moderate. But as a result, you have people using the anchoring tactic to position the debate into la-la land.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well to be fair, it's not sexual assault if the woman likes it. Hot high value guy slapping womans ass in club = Omg So Hot let me take my panties off.

Likewise attractive female pinching mans ass = Dang Lets get laid tonight.

But as soon as one person does not like the other for any reason, suddenly = omg rape violated help

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

/r/mensrights is male feminism. the level of self-victimization and faggotry is mind-blowing over there.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

What are the actual numbers on this?

I know that the "one-in-five female students are raped" statistic is false, but I seem to remember it being relatively close to that figure if you're only counting general sexual assault (for all students as well, not just women).

[–]usul1628 13 points14 points  (1 child)

According to DOJ numbers, its 1/164 for sexual assault & rape together. The 1/5 number comes from a internet poll quality study designed to get the number as high as possible. Study here

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just finished reading through it, definitely bookmarking that. It's interesting that they at least admit to defining rape only as penetration of the victim by the rapist.

[–]BrunoOh 5 points6 points  (1 child)

One in five is how many female students regret anything (which, in SJW-town means rape).

The actual rape rate for students is smaller than it is for non-students.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know the rape rate is smaller, I'm asking about general sexual assaults. The statistic mentioned in the article refers to sexual assault, not rape specifically, even though the student does bring rape.

[–]mygunuface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know that Christina Hoff Sommers looked into it and found that the actual number is closer to 1/52 after dismissing "feeling like you got raped after a guy you didn't like asked you out" statistics; but what do I know, we live in a rape culture everybody! /s

[–]MyRedAccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of the older studies with about that number included sex after drinking, without any regret. If you go back to like 2011-2012 on the wikipedia article for these figures you should see it, if it's not the actual study being referenced. I was like, "Woh is me. Half the sex I've had I was raped by the female as she was sober and I was not," after reading it.

[–]dat_shermstick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I can't remember where I came upon Reed College before, but it's known as being like the most liberal of all liberal colleges. Also, it's really small, and really "prestigious"/stringent in its admissions. You don't really wind up there by accident, which really makes me interested in knowing what this guy's deal is -- like, if you don't like cold weather, would you choose to live in Alaska?

[–]screamingATtrees 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Any time I have had any opinion different than the "all men are rapists" bullshit out there has been met with attacks.

How dare I make someone uncomfortable with a different perspective.

Fuck even trying to intellectually engage these feels before reals sheeple has them grabbing pitchforks and torches.

Remember the rules of power...agree on the outside, know the reality on the inside.

[–]Sir_Shitlord_focker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to ask, why is it that rape survivors have special rights associated to their very real trauma ?

Can military personnel suffering from PTSD demand that we stop talking about war or terrorism in public?

Can earthquake survivors demand that we stop talking about natural disasters or global warming ?

Can car accident survivors demand we stop talking about automobile ?

The answer in every case is NO.

So why is it that rape survivors have a right to demand and enforce the end of debate about rape culture ?

That is not equality it is entitlement and privilege, special treatment without a cause.

/rant over

[–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Based on that article, he seems like a very well spoken and smart man.

Love this quote of his:

“I know many people aren’t comfortable with taking the stances I do, but I’m not a sheep,” he said.

[–]disposable_pants 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm. A 19-year-old college freshman saying "wake up sheeple"? Dude sounds like a prick, not some sage thinker.

[–]friendlysociopathic 9 points10 points  (1 child)

He's 19. He's also right, and if he's taking pride in being a freethinker, cool. Forgive teenagers a little bit of arrogant bullshit man, I'm certain we all made similar mistakes during that period.

[–]MagneticJohnson 7 points7 points [recovered]

Rosie Dempsey told BuzzFeed News. “Of course, we are an institution that encourages dissent and active discussion, but there is a difference between stimulating discussion through opposition and making other students feel unsafe.”

"unsafe". they're borderline accusing HIM of rape as well.

he's lucky he's black. if he were white they would tear him to shreds. he's in that weird space of "poor minority" and "scumbag misogynist" where they don't know what to do with him. the tone of the article reflects this as well.

edit. also, to no ones surprise: the points he mentioned doesn't get any scrutiny (because he's right). (1 in 5 etc.). just "we support free speech yada yada, BUT(...)"

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's learning about his place in the heirarchy. Women of all kind before men of any kind.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The guy is harassing me by being so blithely stupid about where he picks a fight.

It should be in bright neon on the sidebar: do not get into disputes of principle where the stakes affect your future prospects. It's not worth it.

[–]Forty_Deuce 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I made a comment on a far left liberal site I go to. It was about something some chick on Fox News said about some fraternity, and they took pictures of some drunk naked girl, and how women have to be responsible too.

Now I wasn't disagreeing that if someone does something to you while you're passed out drunk, that there shouldn't be some consequences to that. It's happened to me and I wasn't happy with that shit. But when I mention that if you go to a frat party, or any college party, there's probably going to be people there who will take advantage of you. They may be people there who will slip something in your drink. It's not your fault if that is done to you, but while having a good time, don't allow yourself to get too drunk. Don't take a drink from anybody. You have to look out for yourself because everyone isn't going to have your best interest at heart.

So of course I'm the dickhead siding blaming women.

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[–]Forty_Deuce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This wasn't a frat party in my case. It was some friends having a fun Memorial Day down the shore. I know I had five long islands, and maybe 10 shots of what the fuck ever, but I was done. I barely remember making it back to the room, and I didn't leave that room until we left two days later. Now I'm looking on my new video camera and what do I see? These girls had my junk hanging all out. Had a video of one singing into the shit like it was a microphone. Now I'm not tooting my own horn here, but I have a rather large one. The one girl who I know would have raised hell had any of this been done to her, decided to find out what it would feel like. Now I wasn't shameful, but I was highly pissed off. And what if I would have ejaculated in her? Would I still be responsible for a kid that I wasn't even awake for the making of? And here's the other thing. They were drunk too. They wouldn't have done any of this if they weren't. So that day I learned, you can have fun, but you also need to control yourself from getting too drunk or you may be taken advantage of. I also don't mess with women when they've had too much. The most I will do is turn her over on her stomach so she won't choke on her vomit.

[–]farkwadian 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Jesus fucking christ. You guys are a bunch of goddamn lemmings. Since when did red-pillers act like a bunch of rodents ready to jump just because everyone else is without looking in front of you to see the cliff.

http://www.reedquest.org/freshman-excluded-from-conference-petition-sparks-controversy/ ^ This article goes further into depth on this issue.

Basically, the guy is a giant cocksucker in the classroom. It wasn't just him arguing about the rape stats, it was that he was an ass about it. This isn't about being right, there is a difference between disagreeing with the professor and actively antagonizing a classroom discussion by playing retarded devil's advocate in many different conversations about many different topics.

According to Savery, True had made other unsettling contributions to the conference this semester, including a comment about Theocritus that “lower class people didn’t have the ability to create art” and a comment about how “we shouldn’t blame the people who were responsible for the Holocaust… because they didn’t know any better.”

Maude-Griffin says that True’s behavior started out only “a little bit patronizing” and then escalated from there over the course of the semester.

Basically, the guy who got kicked out of his discussion group ran off telling people he was kicked out because of one thing he said, when in reality it was numerous ridiculous things he said as well as the way he would go about it. The shit this guy says is on par with internet trolling. I get it about the rape stats being false but that is not the issue at hand here, just what the student wants to frame it as.

Oh one more quote for you guys to think about.

Despite his complaint about Savery’s decision to exclude him from the class, True says, “Pancho [Savery] is the greatest teacher I have ever had.”

If you guys want to take this to the next level, this is some red pill shit about a wise professor and a punk kid in his class. There is a way to make a point, but when you do it like a bratty kid you need to get slapped the fuck down. Teacher is asserting dominance over his classroom, kid makes a fuss but ultimately respects the teacher. THAT is the lesson here kids. Kid starts throwing shit, professor steps up and handles it to maintain control of his class, kid sits down and cries about it on the internet.

EDIT: formatting quotes.

[–]howaldmg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This needs to be higher. I started out on the kid's side, but after reading what else he said and did I'd be freaked out too. There's something wrong with people like this kid. He's so over the fucking top on the troll scale it makes me cringe.

Whatever point he might have had is completely overshadowed by his inability to conduct himself like a sane human being - let alone an alpha male.

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[–]RPDBF 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The only thing more useless than a Whitehouse.gov petition is a change.org petition

[–]steelerfaninperu 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I love how universities, proclaimed defenders of civil liberties and freedom of speech, are often the first to start banning things that disagree with their point of view.

Isn't the point of higher education to teach people to question things and think critically?

[–]Waldo00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point of undergrad is to make fucking boatloads of money off of this idealism that you mention. So they have to maintain this facade. When a critical thinking person asks about that claim about sexual assault, soon he'll be asking real questions like:"if that's not true, what the fuck am I paying for." Better to remove such people lest the money making machine becomes obsolete.

[–]thereddespair 1 point2 points  (1 child)

so much for critical thinking. i guess we just accept what people tell us eh.

[–]BlaiseDB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Schools like that only teach critical theory not critical thinking which, despite the common term have nothing in common.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The professor is a strait up SJW:

"Teaching is the means by which I try to change the world. I see my activity as not just literary, but as political, moral, philosophical.” —Pancho Savery

Prof. Pancho Savery, contact information at http://academic.reed.edu/lit_lang/contact.html

EDIT: Lols from http://www.reed.edu/reed_magazine/autumn2006/features/teach_at_reed/savery.html

Reed does not encourage you to just agree—Reed teaches you to critically examine everything you hear and everything you read, and not take anybody’s word. You have to have the skill to think, and investigate, and engage in rational dialogue. It’s very easy at most schools to go through four years and be relatively passive. At most schools you can be a sponge and soak up what everyone around you says and does. You cannot be a sponge at Reed—you have to be active, you have to put yourself out there.

Apparently, "engage in rational dialogue" means to emphasize feelings over facts.

EDIT: Contact information replaced with link

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Don't post personal contact information. If that personal content information is publicly and obviously available, as this is, you may post links that contain it. But the admins are SJWs, too. Don't give them an excuse.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't get how you get to call yourself liberal when you don't believe in the foundation of liberty that is free speech.

Seriously, the foundation of any good viewpoint (and most importantly worldview) is doubt and free speech is basically there to protect you if you publicly doubt something. If an opinion survives scrutiny it's a good and reality based opinion, if it doesn't it's shit and you should drop it like it's BP. And if it can't be called into question, it's usually a dogma that they know won't survive and they'll silence you like the church used to (their funny hat is the fedora).

[–]ColdEiric 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would you question them?

Just let them ruin their own lives, and pay attention to making your own better. Just as you would ignore the self-destructive guys, ignore the self-destructive girls.

Do your homework, work out and brush your teeth like daddy's son ought to do, instead of joining the self-harming group.

[–]1cover20 3 points4 points  (4 children)

It's a required humanities course. It's something every freshman is required to take there. So the prof. was banning him from a portion of university requirements.

He's an impressive young man. Read his arguments. I would not want to argue against this guy. He argues fair, but very tough.

And that is why I think the prof. banned him. Because the prof. could not defeat him in class.

This young man should demand his money back and be provided with admission to an Ivy League school. His argumentation skill is truly impressive. Since Reed has admitted defeat, he should be moving UP the academic food chain.

[–]disposable_pants 9 points10 points  (1 child)

His argumentation skill is truly impressive.

From the r/news discussion of the same topic, which has quotes several more sources:

“This is the most fun I’ve had all year,” True continued, “and I have not this much fun since I was a kid. It’s so liberating.”

Soave also reported that when he e-mailed True to ask him about this, True responded by saying: “Before I interview with you, you must agree to make “n[****]r” be the first word in your article.”​

“lower class people didn’t have the ability to create art” and a comment about how “we shouldn’t blame the people who were responsible for the Holocaust… because they didn’t know any better.”

“began the class abruptly and loudly in an angry tone, reading the Honor Principle stating how no student should face a hostile environment, and demanding an apology of only female members of the class despite the equally strong reaction by the male ones.”

"I do not want to be a martyr, but I will do that if that is what is necessary to make a statement.”

In a statement about his own character, True says, “I believe that I am an emotionally capable, intellectually gifted, cutting wit, hell of a person. I believe I have experienced more trauma and suffering and pain in my life than many of these, well frankly, middle class white girls at Reed could ever know in their lives.”

Yeah, real impressive.

[–]Surf_Or_Die 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Survivors of sexual assault". He grabbed my ass in the cafeteria. I survived #theStruggleIsReal.

Jesus Christ. These people are unreal. I just laugh at them. It's the only thing I can do to stay sane. Just laugh at them.

[–]saltinado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there was major hate for this in TwoX also. Moral of the story: don't mess with discussion in a place where discussion is supposed to be free.

[–]TexAs_sWag 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Has this story been posted elsewhere on reddit? I'm curious to see how the hivemind approaches it. At the same time, I fear that the amount of cognitive dissonance in those threads would make my head explode.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a thread on r/news about it that's worth checking out.

[–]teradactyl2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy is lucky he wasn't sent to prison.

[–]SillyAmerican 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey I'm a little late, but does anyone mind sending me some info that disputes the 1-5 number? Thanks

[–]thelotusknyte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a good convo on this over at /r/mensrights too

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