Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don't respect. (self.TheRedPill)

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She'll cheat on her boyfriend.

She'll bang in the broom closet.

She'll cover for you.

That's a woman who's attracted to you and respects both your place and hers. She sees any opportunity to help you as valuable because those opportunities are rare and make her feel special.

She only gives you what you want when you meet specific conditions.

She treats her time and effort as more valuable than yours.

She expects your constant support rather than being appreciative for your occasional voluntary help.

That's a woman who keeps you around. She is disgusted if she ever needs to help you. She thinks of your presence as a necessary evil, like having a servant or a maid. Your presence is tolerated so long as you perform specific functions. Without those functions you are useless and subsequently discarded.

Now look at all the women in your life right now and determine which ones fit into each category. Then if you find any women in the second category, drop them immediately and move on. Life is short and it's quicker and easier to start again with someone else.

Remember that extremely BP acting men will bring out all the worst qualities in anyone in their lives, male or female. Even the most RP-minded woman will treat a bug like a bug.

Conversely, there are women out there who are boundary starved. Men don't give them rules or "no" or radio silence. So the first man to demonstrate those behaviors will bring out her desire, stimulated by rocking her expectations.

Feminists say, "Women are people too."

RP says, "Women are shitty people too."

But your woman won't be while she is with you. She may go AWALT the moment you leave her apartment and start texting her orbiters for attention and resources, but she knows to never ever expect to act like that with you.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 193 points194 points  (49 children)

Creating two standards for two different types of men allows women to compartmentalize their behaviors and create separate classifications for themselves.

They can now indeed be the "good girl" because they are in fact "nice" or "good" for 80% of guys. But for the top 20%, they go full out fuck-me-in-the-alley mode. But since they compartmentalize, they view these encounters as "oh it doesn't count" or "I don't usually do that!"

Always remember, that ALL women have that threshold of alley fucking. Just some girls have higher thresholds than others. But never for a second believe you've found the one exception in the world.

[–]swoleo_dicaprio 75 points76 points  (38 children)

When a beta affectionately orbits a woman, she sees that he is totally clueless; she figures this guy is never getting laid. So out of pity or sympathy she allows him to do odd-jobs for her. In their own retarded way, owing to ego, self-righteousness and a general lack of respect for men, most womyn think supplicating this loser guy is being a "good person." "He should be honored I let him bask in my feminine glow!" The reason bitches are so derisive when this beta needs help in return is that she "feels" she has already gone out of her way to make him feel wanted -- and now he's getting greedy.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 27 points28 points  (6 children)

This pretty much describes the mindset of most women I know who (non-maliciously) kept orbiters. They really thought that these friendshipsTM she had were mutually beneficial and fulfilling and not just a pain for the guys who would have folded immediately had they known that (a) they weren't morally obligated to stick around and (b) that they would never ever date her.

[–]hillstaffer69 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I have a good group female friends that I hang out with every so often. Each of the girls has at least one beta-orbiter at any given time. Any time I hang with them, I treat them like I'm not interested in fucking them (because I'm not). I basically treat them like I'd treat a guy. I don't take their shit, I don't do extra shit for them beyond being a nice person, and I don't let them talk about stupid shit and get away with it. All the girls love me, one or two secretly want to date me (according to the others), and they always enjoy having me around even though I do nothing for them. Like a normal friend, they value my presence strictly because they like being around me.

Any time one of them brings a new beta-orbiter around, the guy freaks out. I have even had one of them ask me, "why are you so mean to all the girls?" To which I always respond, "I'm not being mean, I'm just not treating them like I want to fuck them." Their faces always look like they just found out Santa isn't real

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ya, I guess I had never thought of it this way. The girls that I know really do think that their friendships with orbiters are mutually fulfilling (he's a nice guy, we talk about important stuff, and he doesn't know a lot of girls!), and not just doing them a favor (or downright malicious).

At the same time, you could outright tell a guy points (a) and (b) and they may stick around anyways because they're deluded.

[–]rpscrote 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Never doubt a woman's ability to make everything about her and how much "good" she's doing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course. The main point is that it's not intentionally malicious, even though what they're both doing is of course ridiculous.

[–]mryddlin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's how they hamster rationalize it.

The reality is almost all of them are emotional cowards who are sparing their own feelings.

Why be honest and deal with a situation as is when you can lie and offload it into the beta.

I call women out on it all the time, they do not like hearing it

[–]ContinentalRP 10 points11 points  (15 children)

"He should be honored I let him bask in my feminine glow!"

Don't forget that the betas actually think this too, that they feel rewarded.

[–]FerrusMan 27 points28 points  (14 children)

The beta actually thinks/hopes that one day the woman will make a move on him, when she realizes at long last that he is the one.

[–]mryddlin 18 points19 points  (12 children)

Thanks Ross and Rachael.

I liked the show but going back and watching it, Ross and Chandler are both 'nice' guys that get the girl after she is done with everyone else.

Racheal is the classic CC rider then scoops her beta at the end....by getting pregnant.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It's also interesting how the player who is able to get sex on a whim is pretty much the only one who ends up single at the end.

[–]mryddlin 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Oh you mean the clearly only alpha on the show who is portrayed as a bumbling idiot man child.

Ya that wasn't on purpose :)

[–]newls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's an extremely common and pervasive forced narrative in all major sitcoms nowadays. The alpha male is awesome and happy but they twist the script to ultimately portray him as hollow and empty.

Look at Harvey Specter in Suits. Successful lawyer who never got tied down and leeched from by a wife, who thoroughly enjoys his life and gets excited by his career.

But as the series goes on they show him pining for different girls and acting weak and submissive in certain areas.

That's kind of every woman's dream isn't it? Find a successful alpha man and turn him into a provider for her and only her?

Even his own protege Mike Ross, the beta provider 'let's all be nice to each other' voice of the series constantly harps on at him for being so stoic and strong.

[–]ilphae 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is the worst. Hate to leave a man behind like that.

[–]Echelon64 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I don't know man, the whole cast of Friends including Ross were sex machines. Ross even dated a hot college girl for awhile.

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[–]newls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the same thing in HIMYM. In actual fact I thought the character of Ted was really meant to be a woman - a character the main audience identified with. He (she) goes on the CC sleeping with lots of people while the whole time pining for some mystical "Mrs (Mr) Right".

He and the rest of the cast (bar Barney) constantly harp on about "the Universe" giving them signs to do things, rather than just going out there and taking decisive action.

And he's a classic beta provider with no muscle mass. Granted he's a successful architect with his own skyscraper in New York City.

I could go on at length about the parallels in that show but I think I've covered the broad themes in a few paragraphs.

[–]mryddlin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

true but look at it from another angle... how did that end up for Ross?

i.e. his friends made fun of him and he could have lost his job...is it worth it..nope don't do it men.

The moral was don't date younger women, the outcome is baaaaad.

[–]Echelon64 0 points1 point  (1 child)


On a similar note, and anecdotally speaking I seem to have better relationships with younger women. Older women always seems to expect too much from my experience.

[–]mryddlin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The dynamic is old as humanity and I engage with mostly with women in the 19-26 range, they seek me out actually I don't chase women (never been successful and the movie Harley Davison and Malboro Man had a great line... 'Never chase after women or buses, they will both leave you in the dirt').

It falls into a mentor/protege type dynamic is the best I can describe it, there is also a knowledge transfer that is going on. On my side it keeps me sharp, it keeps me engaging in life and avoids stagnation and apathy. For them they get the benefit of my experience and knowledge, I talk a lot with these younger girls. One of them is starting to take the TRP stuff and internalize it, that is going to be an interesting on to watch. I'm also a 'sure thing' when it comes to sex, I know what I am doing and I'm in charge of that, dudes their own age group do not have that game usually.

I've been openly polyamorous for about 4 years now and I have 3 active relationships (where I consider us dating). First and longest is my primary who is 38 (same age as me, we dated in HS, got back together in our late 20's), my next is 26, we started dating 2 years ago, and the most recent is 24.

On top of that I have a smallish pool of women that I have play relationships with, that are mostly in the 19-26 range but some are older(kink based, it was my entry point into TRP concepts, totally by accident by adopting into a role then realizing later that it's not a fucking role! Being dominate is a naturalized state for men (i.e. it's not a negative dyanmic even though it has been portrayed heavily as being TERRIBLE).

I refer to it as 'Silverbacking' when a guy transitions into his Alpha state... fucking wonderful process to watch AND go through haha)

My primary and I have a completely different relationship, which does cause the most amount of conflict, due to her seeing me as a peer. To be fair to her, it's completely my fault. I didn't understand this stuff when we first got back together and my dating behaviours were shaped by the main stream, i.e. beta provider style. I've since changed my behaviours and

I learned this stuff mostly by accident and my world view isn't exactly aligned with TRP there is a lot of it that does. Personal experience has taught me that leadership starts within myself and it's my responsibility to carry the load. When that falls into place, the stuff the TRP refers too comes naturally and it's only now that I can place labels on it because you guys have taken the time to map out a framework.

TRP is not an ideology, it's a framework and that is the distinguishing feature of it.

Beta's pass the buck, Alpha's get the fuckin job done.

For older women, and my primary falls into this trap all the time, they put us on pedestals and expect us to be the 'one true man' for them, that will be swept off our feet and pledge our undying love like I'm some sort of frickin' Disney Prince.

So many women in my demographic are STILL holding onto the Disney princess mentality and are waiting for their Prince Charming who can DO NO WRONG TO THEM, SERVER THEM IN EVERY WAY YET IS STILL AN ALPHA..ugh lol good luck with that.

The funny thing with TRP is that one the surface it does seem mean and kind of bigoted but the reality is that personal dynamics are significantly healthier and happier when we don't fight against these emotions, when we

I always knew I was doing something wrong, I could fucking feel it in myself (source of depression for a lot of men IMO) but could never identify what it was. I'd look at successful guys and be like WTF, how can that be the correct way to interact.

Now I understand and I can articulate it better.

It's similar to how you interact with children, they WANT boundaries and they will test your shit over and over and over. You have to maintain frame (fucking love that term) or they will walk all over you.

Old as fucking dirt, nothing really changes we just add to the repository of knowledge.

ugh, sorry this became a frickin essay comment. Thanks for chatting and have a good one mate :)

[–]1Halfjor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course. He just hasn't done enough favors, given enough emotional support, and showered her with enough gifts and affection yet.

He knows she's taken dozens of alpha dicks since he started talking to her. It doesn't matter because he's going to be the real winner. Soon enough she'll realize what an amazing guy he is.


[–]SoldierGenerale 13 points14 points  (13 children)

My girl has a male orbiter with a huge crush on her. She lets him sleep over on the couch, makes him break-fast, dinner and take cares of him when he gets too drunk. She sees him as a friend and was horrified when to found out he had a crush on her.

To be fair she made a good point when I asked her why she didn't just cut him lose.

'I don't have a problem with him, I still want to be friends so it's up to him to decide if he can handle being around me'.

Poor chump.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 40 points41 points  (6 children)

You better watch out.

Making him breakfast, letting him sleep over, taking care of him? That's not a sole orbiter. I was this guy once and although she kept me friendzoned I got my physical escalation now and then. By simply alphaing up and fucking other women right before her eyes and indicating that I might make one of them my LTR, I managed to turn her around. That was deeply in my BP days. Our daughter turns eight this year. We have parted though.

This guy is more likely her backup plan than just an orbiter and she is also emotionally attached to him. An orbiter is just like a plate. He is activated when needed to provide help or be an emotional tampon.

[–]SoldierGenerale 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Yeah, you might be right but there's no point worrying about that shit. If she wants to cheat on me, she'll cheat.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. There is nothing one can do not to be cheated on. If the girl wants it she will do it. And with todays women, you can safely bet you will get cheated on.

And really, what's the problem with getting cheated on? Once you understand the nature of women's sexual strategy you just don't invest yourself much with a woman. You spin plates. What she does is not that important anymore. What's important is the needs she fulfill for you.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (2 children)

if you can maneuver to remove the opportunity in a machiavellian sort of way (e.g. subtly; not obvious you're doing it) you can reduce the chances. Not that I am endorsing this, but that is how marriage 1.0 and religion worked -- removing the opportunity. Remember AWALT

[–]SoldierGenerale 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, so true. I've yet to meet a girl that does drugs and isn't a ho. Seriously, I've seen virgin girls do mdma and then turn into gangbang whores.

Though I don't really care enough to actually go through the trouble of removing all opportunities. That's just way too much work for something so replaceable.

The only ones I have are don't let guys sleep in your bed or room and don't go to the 'after-party'. I know all about the 'after-party' it was my number 1 excuse to pull a girl and fuck her asshole inside-out.

Funny enough my ex her boy-friend didn't mind her letting some guy sleep in her bed, because he trusted her. We didn't do anything but talk that night, but the 3 hours of extreme sexual tension and pillow talk was enough for me to fuck her a few weeks later.

So yeah, there's a line between being an insecure control-freak and a fucking retard.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So yeah, there's a line between being an insecure control-freak and a fucking retard.

A surprisingly thin one at times in my own personal experiences too

[–]ilphae 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. He may be the #1 of her orbiters, but then again you might be.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 2 points3 points  (3 children)

/u/vandaalen made an excellent point. Just like him, I used to be deep in the friendzone with a girl I had oneitus for. She had a boyfriend, but there was a slight disagreement between them, and I got laid nearly every day for a week before I moved away from her. She just messaged me again last week after 6 months of silence to try and talk to me (bring me back into orbit).

This dude is like a cancer in your life. Excise him with brutality, and if your girl shows any annoyance at this... Looks like you might have a tough situation at hand. If you need motivation, just realize that he's definitely already tried to escalate with your girl in his own beta way, and she may have reciprocated in a small way.

[–]SoldierGenerale 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ah I get your point, but if the girl is the type of slut that will fuck someone else whenever we get into a disagreement that's a huge red-flag superslut sign and I'd rather know now then later.

I want a girl to cheat on me just like a bank wants you to not pay them back in time. If she cheats, thank goodness and good riddance.

[–]1independentmale 1 point2 points  (1 child)

AWALT. I see what you're saying, but I think you're hamstering.

My LTR has a similar friend, but he doesn't live here so she rarely sees him. However, despite her saying they never fucked, I have my suspicions and I'm keeping a close eye on the situation.

I know for a fact he would fuck her silly if given the chance. He's a major long term orbiter. As such he is not my friend, he's my enemy. The betas who orbit have zero respect for you. They will undermine your relationship every chance they get. They're toxic. If this guy lived in town and saw my girl more frequently, she would not be my girl because I'd dump her ass. I only tolerate him because his actual presence is limited to a couple times a year and she's been good about inviting me over any time he's in town.

[–]SoldierGenerale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely, but the truth is that ALL of my ex-gf's friends undermined the relationship. Everybody told her to break up with me and that I'm a bad guy. We had an one-sided open relationship meaning I could fuck whoever I wanted and she had to be loyal. While we were at a party once, I started making out with other girls and she and her friends saw that so the friends started hating on me.

It doesn't fucking matter

When a girl knows she has a real man, she will always pick her man over anything else. The only thing is you need to frame it right and keep your pimphand strong as fuck.

Create the frame of ''me and you against the world baby'' and she'll never listen to her dumbass friends. Especially when you can compare your relationship to theirs and explain why yours is so much better.

As for the orbiters, dude impossible. There is noway you can get rid of them. My girl looks like a eastern-european fitness model. Every guy would fuck her in a moments notice. If you want to get rid of them you have to forbid her of having any guy-friends and well that's something I'm not interested in.

I used to encourage my girl to go out and party and flirt with other guys. This way she can feel sexy and desired while at the same time realising how many fucking losers there are which only makes me look that much better.

I haven't had a single girl cheat on me (as far as I know) or dump me, so I know a little bit on what I'm doing.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To be honest, this would make me question the relationship I had with her. Not because I particularly pity the guy (who knows, maybe he's a douche?). Not because I feel threatened by him.

But because I just hate the thought of letting a woman get away with that kind of behavior, and actually reward her for it. But then again, I'm biased.

[–]SoldierGenerale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well in this case I'm also biased, I mean she's a ridiculously sweet girl and obviously isn't using him. She lets him crash on the couch, borrow her car and countless other things I wouldn't do for my friends.

Can you blame her though? The girl is so hot just a smile and a show of cleavage is enough to get her out of most situations. Fuck if I had those superpowers I'd be abusing them to no end.

Women always manipulate. We can't change the nature of the beast, all we can do is become astutely aware of when it's happening and battle her with logic the way Patrice O'neil advocates if we don't like it.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

A guy posted a while back about getting an HJ on a cruise ship from a girl who was "a good Christian who doesn't do this" and "had a boyfriend back home." She wasn't telling him... she was telling herself so she could rationalize the 20% behavior.

I think this is one of the main tenets of TRP. Women can operate with serious cognitive dissonance, because that 20% of the time... it's not who they really are.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I've heard a lot of, "I wouldn't normally do this" and "I'm only doing this once."

ASD kicks in but if she's into you, it's never enough to stop her.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Creating two standards for two different types of men allows women to compartmentalize their behaviors and create separate classifications for themselves.

Translation: Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

[–]Glenbert 2 points3 points  (3 children)

They can now indeed be the "good girl" because they are in fact "nice" or "good" for 80% of guys. But for the top 20%, they go full out fuck-me-in-the-alley mode. But since they compartmentalize, they view these encounters as "oh it doesn't count" or "I don't usually do that!"

But don't we kinda do the same? There are women who we try to fuck in the alley and those we think are wife material.

[–]ilphae 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Of course we do. The point is, it's human nature; guys must stop believing in the bullshit Disney fairy tale princess, and women should stop looking for Prince Charming. It makes you a sucker.

In truth, there is a female equivalent for all of the male-framed arguments. For example, a loser chick that is bending over backwards for some douche-bag abusive BF. She would benefit from applying RP thinking. She should take control of her life. She should start working out. She should hold frame and tell that guy to fuck right off.

[–]Glenbert 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that's the rub. Women figured this out a while a go so, hypergamy. While is guys have been much slower to realize that the alpha/beta wall has always had a door in it.

[–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women have a lover/provider model, men have a bad girl/providee model. The difference is that the man provides for the good girl, giving her an easy life, while the women takes from her provider, and often emotionally abuses him. Love flows down; women will naturally be the ungrateful spoiled brat if you let them.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

IMO like you say it's an extension of AWALT. AWALT is true. Anyone denying it doesn't have the experience to make that claim.

When you're "alpha" enough to bring out the AWALT in a traditionally "good girl" you see how very true it is. When you get dumped by some bitch that "wants to see what dating other people is like;" who told you she loved you, she wants to marry you, and all that BP feel good bullshit, you see how very true it is. When you orbit a girl who won't give you the time of day despite all of your respect and thought and caring, and realize she one-night-stands frat boys regularly, you see how very true it is. When you run into a rough patch and get dropped like so much shit because you showed weakness, you see how very true it is.

If you think NAWALT you haven't lived much of life and you have no breadth of experience to speak from.

[–]hillstaffer69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh my gosh just experienced this last weekend. My roommates and I had a brunch party, and I got to meet a lot of my roommates' friends. As I was talking to one girl (we will call her jenny) and getting to know her, she describes herself as a "nice girl" who doesn't normally party, and prefers boyfriends to one-night stands. She is also one of those girls that is super black-and-white minded. What I mean by that is she leaves no room for ambiguity in her world. At one point someone brought up a guy that was cheating on his girlfriend, and she immediately goes on a tirade about how cheating is the worst betrayal in the world. She goes on to say that she can't find any decent guys in town to date (she is very tall and attractive).

At one point I got pretty wasted and took a nap in my room. When I went back down stairs to get some water I notice the girl and one of my roommate's friends fucking on our couch. The guy in question has a girlfriend that Jenny definitely knew about. I didn't think anything of it other than, "they better not get anything on our couch".

The morning after she came back over to help us clean, and my roommate started questioning her about the sex. Not only did she deny it, even though all of my roommates saw and heard it, she went on to blame the guy for flirting with her.

Bitches be crazy

[–]_the_shape_ 315 points316 points  (17 children)

"You have to let them know what kind of guy you are. Then they'll know what kind of girl to be." -Mad Men

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 31 points32 points  (1 child)

That's surprisingly accurate, which is rare from the msm. It also reminds me of why so many guys are flabbergasted by women who they thought were "good girls" only to see them give up the goods to guys who do a fraction of the work and caveman them, despite all the work they'd put in and only been kept at arms length.

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I think the whole appeal of mad men was seeing men be men and women be women. They just had to base it at a time in decades past in order to be politically correct.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Well done with that quote. Pretty obscure and I'm suprised you remembered it but that is some serious red pill truth right there.

[–]QueefMcSharterson 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Damn that made my nipples hard

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Great quote. Anybody got a video link?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

season 1 episode 1, 7 minutes in

[–]Frusciantex 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Mad Men: 2 episodes in, not hooked. Should I go on?

[–]TyrannoswolerusFlex 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Yes! It gets better. Felt the same way and had to power through the 1st season. The focus eventually changes from Peggy to Don and Roger. That ' s when it gets awesome.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Yup.....naive, young Peggy getting her rude introduction to the world of the Mad Men is used cleverly to bring the naive audience into the same world. You arrive as she did....thinking yourself innocent and sweet. You needed to be intrigued by, then attracted to, the vulgarly masculine characters of Don, Roger, and company. You had to be initially attracted to, then repulsed by, the beta Pete striving to become an alpha but falling short.

But eventually you swallow the Red Pill that Mad Men has to offer. It strikes a visceral chord you can't quite put your finger on. You're attracted to all the "wrong" characters behaving "badly" but its all just so irresistibly sexy. Men just want to be Don and Roger and women just want to be Betty and Joan or have their knickers torn off in a Manhattan office by a married executive who's slightly drunk and temporarily enamored with them.

The Red Pill is just fine with everyone when its just a story.

[–]FattestRabbit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Welp, guess I'm gonna start watching Mad Men.

[–]Dokkobro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly, if this guy has that deep cinema preview voice he could be a billionaire.

[–]ilphae 9 points10 points  (2 children)

One of the greatest television shows of your lifetime.

[–]J_Ferrara07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good quote. That guy has cringe moments with women though haha. Love that show

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 31 points32 points  (15 children)

I have been the other guy a couple of times, but didn't know until afterwards. A woman will travel great distances to fuck you, give you the best sex on tap even in public, cook you food, give you massages, and reveal her "true emotional side" and sexual history all while stringing her unknowing beta-bux along or even making fun of him in front of you and/or dumping him in the process with little to no effort on your part if you can give her tingles. Once you experience it, you'll never look at women the same again.

[–]netgrey 38 points38 points [recovered]

I've had a woman take a phone call from her fiancé while in my bed.

"Love you too"

Watching her say that sweetly with a look of disgust and then fucking her after while she had her ring on is something you don't go back from. Not even close to an isolated incident either.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Most men believe NAWALT because 80% never experience this. They only see her 'madonna' side.

[–]Smooovies 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That sounds like another level of game. Holy shit. Why get married? It's really not worth it.

[–]-Awake- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I get such a rush from this, "you're so much better than my boyfriend/husband" is the hottest phrase in the English language

[–]Tricky_Dick_ 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I get a special kind of rush from fucking married women. They love it, I love it... and we both know they won't be cumming 10-20 times a night with their husbands.

[–]1DRMMR76 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I stopped entertaining those ideas the first time I responded to a double murder scene perpetrated by the cuckolded husband who found out.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Three times now... three very different circumstances... all different to the ones you describe.

One was coming out of a dull marriage... almost certainly divorced now. Ignore-nexted when she got crazy emotional and demanded this weird fetish called monoga-something. Classic post-BB branch swinging.

One was very polyamorous... life with hubby went up and down, times with me were bouncy bouncy up and down. Now I think they're very back together. Great fun. Softly nexted when her emotions got a bit strange. Did not fit the stereotypes because she is very honest with herself about what she wants (and hence very honest with those around her).

One was in a very unfulfilling marriage... happy to cheat with me. Tried to branch swing. Still in unfulfilling marriage last I heard, needs the security. Classic af/bb.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In her mind, you're the alpha caveman. She waits until her betabux isnt around to sneak a rump in the bushes with you in hopes of your seed impregnating her. She then swiftly returns to her betabux with a poker face for more provisioning and for him to unknowingly raise your 'superior genes' child since she already decided you're alpha fux and not 'dating material'.

[–]OKJaded 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don't know why this is getting down voted. I've got a bit of the same Everest.

It's great. They are begging to do/try anything you want. Why? Because your are NOT their husband and won't be nagging them for it again all the time. I do feel bad for these husbands that are on the other side of the 'open marriage'. The husband is probably out there trying to romance his way into some pussy while I'm just railing the fuck out of his wife.

[–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had one married woman who would beg for me to make time to fuck her, pleaded for me not to give up on her if she had to cancel. And she'd let me do some truly wild shit to her with the biggest smile on her face. Like that was all she ever wanted in life.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The girl who introduced me to TRP was texting me while sucking other guy's dick. Now I enjoy a lot being the one whose dick is being sucked and I laugh, omg, you wouldn't believe how much I laugh when she shows me the text messages she receives from their boyfriend. Like, "so how's the evening with the girls going? :))" you can tell he feels in his guts something is up haha

[–]CanFirst 13 points14 points  (2 children)

even making fun of him in front of you and/or dumping him in the process

It seems like they think this is a plus for them, like "look at me treating him like shit for you" when all I ever thought was "that could be me someday, nope."

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That quote really hit between the eyes. I believe AWALT and your analyses is spot on. Women will kill their babies for a man who brings the tingles. They will torture a formerly Alpha-esque man they betafied and then they will gleefully encourage him to kill himself for the life insurance money to show the man who brings the tingles their power and allure.

If you let them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've experienced it all with one girl. From Alpha to less than a beta. And I've seen it all unfold in front of my eyes. You can tell when they love you. If they don't, you need to move on to the next.

[–]SoldierGenerale 130 points131 points  (64 children)

This is so true.

One night I got super drunk and this chubby girl with a cute face wanted me to take her home. Even in my extreme drunken state I didn't want to bang a fatty so I told her she had to suck my dick for atleast an half hour. She said 'okay, I'll do that'. And she had to lick my balls aswell. 'Okay, I'll do that too'.

Hmm.. the prospect of fucking this girl was getting more and more appealing. So I threw her one more demand just to see how far I could push it. 'You have to lick my asshole..' She paused for a second and smiled 'I'll do that too..'

I took her home and brought her to the showers in my dorm where we both washed ourselves. The thought of having this poor girl lick my smelly and sweaty asshole was too sad even for me. After pushing her head down so she could suck my dick I turned around and made her keep her end of the bargain. After this I figured I might aswell push it even further and decided to piss on her face. Remember, I was still drunk and sometimes tend to turn into an abusive ass. The thought of pissing on this poor girl's face was simply too evil and the pee wouldn't come out even though I had a full bladder. My fucking conscience kicked in and it was the weirdest thing. She literally sat there on her knees for 10 minutes looking up at me making direct eye-contact while waiting for the piss to hit her face. I'll never forget how such a sweet and innocent face could subject herself to such humiliation..

A few weeks later I found out the same girl was an avid feminnist.

All girls will submit to a dominant man. So keep that in mind the next time you kiss a girl. Who knows which asshole she licked the day before?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 33 points34 points  (0 children)

In Marilyn Manson's autobiography, he states a cute girl snuck in backstage. When she stood in front of the band, Manson told her to take off her clothes. Without hesitation, she silently obeyed. Manson stated, "I couldnt believe I commanded such sexual power" The band then proceded to take turns fucking and pissing on her.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (6 children)

One moment you are feeling bad for making her lick your asshole... Then you decide to piss on her face. O_O

Some feminists are angry at men for the same reasons they are desperate for men. But in my experience college girls are largely feminist and all of them are horny as fuck of course so what do you expect!

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 12 points13 points  (2 children)

They're not really feminists; they just pretend to be to keep the omegamen away.

[–]hothdogs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Eh, I'd hate men too if they were always pissing on my face.

Of course the obvious solution is to not agree to it in the first place.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I'm sure she loved the face pissing. They hate men because they are constantly being rejected by them.

[–]SoldierGenerale 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Haha I get your point but I only felt bad for making her lick an unclean asshole that's why I took the shower.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have thoughtful culinary tastes.

[–]throwawaymatthew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I felt this way when I made a girl vomit after choking on me, It wasn't fun but it was a damn gratifying power rush.

[–]2rp_valiant 12 points13 points  (28 children)

shit's hilarious man - you went full on Black Knight by seeing how far you could push this girl, just for the sake of it. If she's fully willing to do it (which it seems she was) you shouldn't feel bad.

[–]SoldierGenerale 24 points25 points  (27 children)

The only time I pushed it even farther was when I was completely wasted and yelled at my fuckbuddy while doing cow-girl to put it in her butt. She proceeded to do it without lube and after pounding away mercilessly she couldn't handle the pain and jumped off.

Without even thinking I shouted 'SUCK MY DICK'.. Omg the way she rolled her eyes before she reluctantly went down is the hottest spankbank memory I have.

After that I passed out and woke up with the uncontrollable urge to take a dump. I made it about half-way down the hall before losing it and defecating everywhere. I literally passed out in my own shit and seconds later willed myself to get a grip and clean it up.

She was an asian exchange student from Singapore and the most submissive girl I've ever met. She'd clean my room and do the dishes after sex and she'd wait all day till I came back from class. My friends all told me to marry her because she was so fucking amazing.

After going back to Singapore she sent me a hateful message on how she hated me and how I ruined sex for her. Calling me all types of names, saying I was lousy in bed and that my dick was too small and how she was glad I lost my family members in an accident. She blamed me for using her when she was lonely. It was surprising because she never once mentioned the incident while we were still seeing eachother and not once got mad at me or even complained about anything.

Remember kids, never do A2M.

[–]2rp_valiant 7 points8 points  (15 children)

seems like little miss perfect wasn't so perfect after all - AWALT comes through as always. On a side note, raw anal is the bomb.

[–]Tricky_Dick_ 2 points3 points  (14 children)

Is it really? I have always wanted to try anal, and I think/know one of my plates will let me...

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (12 children)

for the first time, use lots of lube, but over time it gets easier. It's great - it's a combination of the fact that it's much much tighter, and the fact that it's very pleasurable for the girl combined with a bit of pain so she'll writhe about and often be really noisy which for me is a big plus.

[edit] protip here, how I initiated it was when spooning with a hard on my dick was rubbing up against her asshole unintentionally, and that got her really turned on to the point where she wanted to try it. If your plate doesn't seem like the type for it (subtly bring it up in conversation), try this method. Works a treat.

[–]Tricky_Dick_ 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Oh, she'll do it. We have been developing something of a dom/sub dynamic, and at this point I don't think she'll say no to any reasonable request.

She has actually talked about it before, I just haven't really felt like fucking her in the ass yet. I'm kind of on the fence about it to be honest...

[–]2rp_valiant 4 points5 points  (6 children)

if it helps at all, I was one of those who thought the idea of anal sex was disgusting before I tried it. However, once we got into it it just felt like a better version of vaginal sex. The gross-out factor just isn't there in real life, I've never had anything unpleasant happen in the act.

I'd say try it, if you have a dom/sub relationship it's a great fulfilment of that dynamic as she will be getting some pain from it but a hell of a lot of pleasure at the same time. Plus doggy style is a very dominant position anyway.

[–]Tricky_Dick_ 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I don't feel disgusted so much as apathetic. I kind of want to do it, but we have been exploring other things that are more amusing for me.

[–]Philhelm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

One time after anal, the woman was still on her hands and knees and farted. I shit you not, brown cum shot out of her ass in an arc and splattered the bed sheets. It was disgusting, amusing, and satisfying in equal measure.

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

at the end of the day it's down to you - do what you enjoy most.

[–]trpMilo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was like that, until I thought "Am I really gonna live my whole life NOT having had anal sex?"

The physical sensation is good, but yeah the best is knowing that she let you put it in (assuming she's never done it before)

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Girls writhe around and moan a lot as its forbidden and a little painful. its really hot.

Good way to start out is have them riding you on top thenspit on your thumb and rub their asshole a bit then insert and go in and out. Try stretching it a bit with your thumb, maybe use two fingers after a bit, then really slowly put your dick in.

always make sure to piss afterwards - its quite risky if you dont

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

If your plate doesn't seem like the type for it (subtly bring it up in conversation),


Read the sex god method, it will change your life.

[–]2rp_valiant 0 points1 point  (2 children)

fair play, haven't gotten round to reading that book yet but I will do. This seems like a good approach for figuring out a girl's boundaries but I didn't put any thought into simply blasting through them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The solution he offers in his book is to stuff a finger in her ass just before she cums, so she associates pleasure and anal. You go gradually and do it everytime. If she tells something like "what are u doing?" you say "I'm playing with your ass babe".

Read the book anyway. You can easily find it for free.

[–]2rp_valiant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

seems like a more aggressive version of my suggestion. I guess it depends on your personal style/preference as to which way to go about it, but what I did worked for me just fine. The only reason I suggested dropping it in conversation is to know whether to just go for it or to plan a move.

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[–]SoldierGenerale 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I completely cut all contact with her and she had time to reflect and decide I'm a huge asshole. If I had just kept in touch and be friendly with her she probably wouldn't of looked back with regret and hurt.

The fact that I fucked her whenever I wanted and then forgot about her was what tripped her up.

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[–]BrunoOh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. If she wasn't into him she'd forget him. It's like those scenarios where a relationship ends, she finds a new one and then proceeds to tell her ex how much better her new relationship is. Uhh, no, if that was the case you couldn't even be assed to tell him.

[–]BallisticTherapy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Proper response:

"Who is this?"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Actually, pissing in a girl's mouth is one of my dark fantasies.

Anyone has any tips on actually getting that done?

[–]SoldierGenerale 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Dude I got the same question by my friends on how to have anal sex with a girl.

You just do it.

You literally pull out your dick and stick it in her asshole. If she doesn't want you to do it, she'll stop you. Don't do it aggresively but do it assertively and always check for compliance.

Asking permission is 100% way to get shot down. No girl is gonna say she'll let you piss in her mouth.

In this case you take her to the shower and have her sit on her knees and then tell her to open her mouth. She fucking knows what's gonna happen now. If you look into Pierre Woodman's videos you can see an excellent example of this.

Girls will fucking listen to a dominant alfa-male. Also, it helps when you already set the frame of master-slave. If you bring into the dynamic the whole listen to your master and do as I say. She'll already be in the habit of following your lead and will comply.

tl;dr you don't ask a girl if you can kiss her, you just kiss her. If she doesn't want to kiss she'll turn her head. Just don't use force and be a man about it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Im curious, how tall are you?

[–]SoldierGenerale 2 points3 points  (2 children)

6'2 but what does that have to do with anything?

[–]Frusciantex 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great fucking story bro. Pound up.

[–]killwhiteyy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm active in my kink community and most if not all of the women involved (mostly submissives) are full-blown feminists. it never made sense to me before I discovered trp.

[–]SoldierGenerale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's so funny, I never would of imagined. Guess that even feminists are just frustrated women that need a good fucking.

To be fair there are so many fucking losers out there, no wonder they don't want to submit to all men.

[–]StarDestinyGuy 8 points9 points  (19 children)

Nice job getting a rim job out of it. I fucking love those.

[–]SoldierGenerale 13 points14 points  (18 children)

Finally, someone with some sense. My friends all think I'm gay for liking them though.

[–]StarDestinyGuy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I usually respond to statements like that with extreme sarcasm (ex: "Huh, i always thought it was liking cocks that meant you were gay.").

By the way, you should check out this video. I think you'd find it funny: https://youtu.be/h5VliEjyohM

[–]1sailorJery 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Anyone disgusted by ass play has never done it. Like the red pill truths I used to mock it before I knew what it was all about.

[–]killwhiteyy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

yes and no...anal play feels fucking great but it still grosses me out.

the boys club always have some dumbass ideas about what being gay means. look dudes. you're gay if you want to have relationships with men. sexual acts that don't even include another man aren't "gay", just like two lesbians using dildos aren't "straight".

also, performing gay sex acts doesn't "make you gay". it's like thinking fucking a girl will make a gay man straight. spoiler, it doesn't. if a guy is curious about it, tries it, and decides that he don't like it, he's not magically bound to being gay now that he's sucked a dick.

[–]Philhelm 6 points7 points  (1 child)

also, performing gay sex acts doesn't "make you gay". it's like thinking fucking a girl will make a gay man straight. spoiler, it doesn't. if a guy is curious about it, tries it, and decides that he don't like it, he's not magically bound to being gay now that he's sucked a dick.

It's only gay if they kiss afterward.

[–]niggertron9000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's only gay if the balls touch

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well this is no secret that anal stimulation can give some pleasure too.

I just like a feminine girl to softly lick my asshole, from time to time. Not a dude with his dick. That's the difference.

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[–]SoldierGenerale 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Boss. Though I kind of hate you for increasing the odds of me indirectly being in contact with your ass, you've made this world a little bit less safe now.

[–]LuvBeer 3 points4 points  (7 children)

On a side note I always keep the ol' o-ring clean just in case I need to put a princess's face in it. I've noticed though that many girls are a bit sloppy with the whole "wash your ass after taking a shit" concept.

[–]SoldierGenerale 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Girls are fucking disgusting man. They don't even ask when the last time was I took a shit before they start burrowing their tongues in there.

[–]Philhelm 8 points9 points  (4 children)

They really are dirty whores. I had a plate several years ago that drank my urine straight from the tap, with swallow. The strange thing was that she wouldn't swallow cum.

[–]SoldierGenerale 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How the fuck does she even rationalise this in her head?

[–]Philhelm 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Well, she only drank my urine "that one time." She "isn't normally like that..."

[–]LuvBeer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Girls are fucking disgusting man

haha can't say I've observed different.

[–]1oldredder -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

only because anal play for a man is gay, that's all.

not that there's anything wrong with that .gif

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 39 points40 points  (5 children)

From a previous reply:

If a woman is truly attracted to you, she'll forgive almost anything and move the earth for you, no matter what your faults. Check out this Wikipedia page (which I still can't believe exists):


Vaujour had 28 years to serve for attempted murder and armed robbery; this was his fourth escape attempt. He made his way to the roof by threatening guards with a fake pistol and nectarines painted as grenades. On top of the jail he was picked up by his wife Nadine, who had taken helicopter pilot lessons especially for the escape.[5] They landed at a nearby football pitch and fled in a waiting car.[2]

[–]happyhorse_g 47 points48 points  (1 child)

My life has a lack of nectarines painted as grenades.

[–]NightGod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And with that attitude, it always will!!

[–]bluedrygrass 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Just think of all the women hamstering their justifications of why Charles Manson is a good man etc.

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Now there is wife material if ever I saw it!

[–]Queef-Latinah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow. France really needs to step up the security of her prisons.

[–]RamSauce 8 points9 points  (7 children)


I just don't know how to be more disgusted with an article.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Q. Why did the feminist cross the road? A. To suck my fat dick

Seriously... never met a girl who didn't love to suck. I'm never gonna be exclusive, tied down nor trapped with anyone, so the tiny minority who say they don't suck aren't relevant.

[–]SoldierGenerale 7 points8 points  (1 child)


She looks exactly how I imagined her to look. Ugly, miserable and fat.

[–]1003rp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked at her twitter real quick and she talks about getting eaten out by guys, but she also doesn't give blowjobs. Hypocrite. I would fuck her fat stupid face hole just to prove a point.

[–]1sailorJery 6 points7 points  (0 children)

she's so delusional she doesn't even recognize oral sex as sex

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just check out her twitter picture. She looks like one of those blubbery sad fish.

[–]six6xis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A wise man once said "If a bitch ain't blowin' (huh) I keep goin'. No haps." (warning: youtube music with profanity)

[–]Jaereth 10 points10 points [recovered]

Then if you find any women in the second category, drop them immediately and move on. Life is short and it's quicker and easier to start again with someone else.

This is the meat and potatoes of that post right here. I would also add that once you are viewed as a bitch by a woman, there's no "winning her over" by displaying dominant behavior. She's seen your true colors.

Also, not only is it "quicker and easier" to start fresh with someone else, but there is no faster way to show a girl that had you pegged as a bitch that you are actually a top dog than to start fucking other girls in the area.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fucking other girls or even showing dominant behavior long enough to force her thru her cognitive dissonance (which she will do only grudgingly, so enjoy her internal fight) can well bring her back.

Do you want her back, or just a final pnd ? I leave that to you. But I do like to leave on a dominant note, then she's going to have attraction thoughts after you go nocontact.

[–]NigTrannyMarxFemJew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once it's over, it's over. Her feelings for you will be settled. No going back

[–]furtardo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You bring a valuable commodity to the table and you get to write your own rules.
This is true not just women.
Everyone does this your boss, other men, corporations you name it.

[–]newls 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's negotiation 101. Find something they want from you. Keep saying no until they offer something you want.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If a woman wants to fuck you she will find a way.

[–]joshh1992 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i just read this and it makes so much sense, its crazy that i didn't notice stuff like this before. thank you for posting this i new i was being used but i could never wrap my head around why they did it

[–]Black-Pill 35 points36 points  (27 children)

I had a plate I slept with on and off for 7 years and she had her BetaBux convinced I was gay so he didn't mind when I slept over when he was out of town

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Men like that deserve it. There's no helping guys like him.

[–]systemshock869 14 points14 points [recovered]

Yeah the whole 'gay bff' thing is fucking pathetic, especially the boyfriends who are ok with it.

"It totes doesn't count when he motorboats me because he doesn't like it!"

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks to the now rampant feminist indoctrination in schools, more and more of these 'men' will be manufactured. Enjoy the decline.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

She is disgusted if she ever needs to help you.

Every woman will be disgusted if you need their help.

A woman who is attracted to you will be overjoyed if you ask her to use her skills for you. For instance "he told me to cook him dinner, he is finally appreciating my cooking skills!". But if you ask her for HELP, she will see you are weak and will be disgusted.

She may go AWALT the moment you leave her apartment and start texting her orbiters for attention and resources, but she knows to never ever expect to act like that with you.

Every woman wants to castrate "her" man and make him her slave. Even the most alpha guy in the world will have her woman behaving like a woman....you may never let her give you drama or try to boss you around BUT she will never stop trying, to make sure you are still the catch. Don't make the mistake of thinking you are so alpha you have nothing to be afraid of.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Every woman will be disgusted if you need their help.

There's a great reversal to this.

Guys who pretend like they need help with something physical just so the girl can demonstrate how weak she is compared to him. It goes along with treating her like a child.

"Oh no, I don't think I can lift this heavy thing. Here baby, help me out."

She tries to lift it and can't. You step in and lift it with ease.

"Thanks baby. Couldn't have done it without you."

[–]-Awake- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is gold, I'm giving it a whirl the next time I'm with a plate

[–]DogInTheBath 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If there were a red pill bible this would be chapter one.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude, you got quoted by Rollo! (last sentence)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man it's simple. If she likes you, she will do anything for you. You can tell when that time comes around and when it goes.

[–]NigTrannyMarxFemJew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women disdain men of low social status and attractiveness, but will distain themselves for a man who is of value

[–]Smooovies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the most insightful thing I've read in a long time. It's like, I've had the appearance of a RP-er to women, and they wanted to be in the first category with me, but inside I was a BP-er, and they all eventually fell into the second category and got bored haha.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Interesting....Is it really TWO standards or is it a continuum?

I am asking if you think with women there is threshold of attraction and once that is reached it flips a switch. Or is it more of a dial?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's a subtle switch. Women will flip it without realizing it and without the man realizing it either. She may go on as "normal" being unattracted to him for months before any outward signs show.

That's because of branch swinging. Women need things to appear normal so she can prepare for the switch to another man and another relationship, or if she really doesn't have any options, just the switch back to single life. Usually by the time she gives you any real indication that something's wrong, something has been wrong for a long time and it's already over.

You may drag through a month long back and forth breakup, but the truth is that she already decided it was over in a single instant weeks or months ago.

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