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New father, horrified by what our current mainstream American society wants my son to become. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by highlivin

I'm 47, recently married. Last week, our second child was born, our first boy.

I suddenly realized what my son is up against, insofar as mainstream American society.

Everywhere you turn, boys are actively encouraged to be girls. Boys who are too rambunctious are deemed "non-compliant" and "difficult". Boys who like playing cowboys and indians are termed "disruptive". Boys who can't sit still in a classroom, and want to go out exploring the world are deemed "ADHD"—and thus drugged to the gills.

All these qualities—calm docility, playing together without competition, sitting still for hours in a classroom—are all qualities of girls.

To top it off, if you let your six or seven year old son walk a few blocks to a friend's house—learning an important lesson in self-reliance, as I was regularly allowed to do as a child—you are deemed an unfit parent, and can have your child taken away.

American society does not want boys. Much less men. American society wants girls and docile gays. In America, boys exist to be incarcerated.

Every day I thank god I no longer live in the U.S. There really is no point—especially when boys, rather than being celebrated (as they are in every other country) are hated in America.

Edit: Since people seem to be enjoying this piece, you can check out more at SavageSense. Cheers, —DS


[–]torodinson 217 points218 points  (111 children)

Well lucky for him, he has a father to help guide him. Make sure he has activities where he can express his masculine side. Also congrats!

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[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 120 points121 points  (101 children)

American society does not want boys. Much less men. American society wants girls and docile gays.

It's worse than that. Testosterone levels have dropped 30% since the 1980's due to phytoestrogens, plastic water bottles, soy products in our foods, birth control pills in municipal recycled water systems, etc. (The latter problem is so bad in Europe that they now have hermaphroditic fish in many rivers and streams near major cities.)

Men are literally less male than they were 50 years ago -- and that's on a biological level.

Yes, there's a very real social/political war on men as the OP mentioned. But there's a seldom mentioned, chemical war on men as well.

Scary shit. And it really needs to be talked about.

What's most horrifying about it is that when the subject comes up around policy makers they literally ask "Do we really want all that testosterone anyway?"

Meaning, they know about it and they're completely okay with this massive real-world chemistry experiment that is literally turning men into pussies.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2006/11/01/health-testosterone-levels-dc-idUKKIM16976320061101

[–]Ridoon 34 points35 points  (82 children)

Any ways to raise testosterone naturally?

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 98 points99 points  (57 children)

Yes.

One: Lifting. Lifting is an extremely powerful way of raising your DHT levels. Increase your muscle mass with whey protein. Muscle tissue converts free testosterone to DHT (the good stuff).

Two: Stay away from soy. Men should NOT eat soy products. (This is harder than you think. Read the ingredients).

Three: Take zinc. (Or regularly snack on natural unsalted peanuts).

Four: Lose weight. Fat aromatases free testosterone to estrogen. Get lean and you literally get more male from a chemical perspective.

Five: (This is a hard decision for many) -- Don't take medication for hair loss. It's better to look like The Rock than a wimpy beta with a full head of hair.

[–]HardBounce 12 points12 points [recovered]

Why zinc? Could you explain this in more detail? Please

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Zinc is a triple whammy:

  • Raises testosterone levels

  • Is a natural anti-estrogen (aromatase inhibitor)

  • Is good for prostate health

EDIT: Actually there are a lot more reasons than that... Just couldn't recall them off the top of my head. Here's more: http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/raising-testosterone-levels.html/

[–]archaeopter 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It's also damn good at keeping colds at bay. If you ever feel the faintest hint of a cold coming on, take some zinc supplements ASAP.

[–]brokenshelf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My friend can attest to this. He's kinda sickly (has had health problems his whole life) but he's a good dude and very knowledgeable. He said almost the same thing, verbatim, to me last year.

"Whenever I even remotely feel sick, I start tossing back zinc."

[–]fittitthroway 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Doesn't it increase ejaculation fluids?

[–]arabontour 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, makes your cum more thicker.

[–]UncleCarnage 1 point2 points  (3 children)

i read that it's not healthy to take ZMA for example everyday. You should cycle it, right?

[–]foldpak111 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The real question is where did you read it? Never forget that we live in a matrix and it could be a trap to keep you from being the best version of yourself. They also told us weight training is bad for us. Fuckin lol

[–]UncleCarnage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oddly enough I can't find the site that said you should cycle it. Well, better this way anyway. I hate cycling shit

[–]RP15 43 points44 points  (20 children)

It is actually high levels of a testosterone metabolite called dihydrotestosterone that initiates male pattern baldness. For a lot of men, taking steps to increase their T levels will lead to increased baldness.

Rogaine helps open hair follicles closed by DHT, but never take Propecia. It works by killing testosterone and thereby eliminating DHT. You will have hair but no erections or sex drive, which defeats the purpose of having hair.

If Rogaine works, good for you. If not, shave your head and increase your shrugs and dips. You'll be fine.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If Rogaine works, good for you. If not, shave your head and increase your shrugs and dips. You'll be fine.

More people need to understand this. Shaving your head is only a bad thing if you're fat as fuck.

[–]jonewman 17 points17 points [recovered]

DHT doesn't cause hair loss. It may speed up the process if your prone to it, but more research needs to be done.

people like to talk about raising Testosterone, but DHT is what really makes you look and feel like a man.

You want High DHT.

Build muscle and shave your head. Just say fuck it, and go ape like joe rogan.

[–]real-boethius 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Dht is made only in a few places that need extra high test ie prostate, skin (for pattern baldness and for general male hairiness) and in the liver. Some dht does leak into the blood from there. But it is mostly test that builds muscles and affects the brain

Source endocrinology by Jamison and de Groot.

[–]jonewman 2 points2 points [recovered]

DHT and the Brain

Here is my source

[–]real-boethius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think his reasoning is fairly tenuous.

For example 5AR inhibitors are linked to a slight increase in depression but it is not clear that this effect is specifically due to the reduction in DHT or the overall reduction in effective test levels (which includes DHT).

[–]RP15 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That's why I said it initiates MPB, not causes it.

That said, here (http://www.businessinsider.com/bald-men-signals-dominance-2015-2) is a description of a study that claims bald men are perceived as being more dominant. Since baldness is accelerated by DHT, this makes sense from an evo psych perspective.

[–]jonewman 4 points4 points [recovered]

My bad yo, my response is just to ensure no one here gets it twisted. Too many guys have fucked themselves over believing that DHT is evil and shit.

[–]RP15 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good point, and good looking out.

[–]1Revo_Luzione 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A hormone replacement doc here in the states told me that in Europe, where baldness is less of an issue, doctors will supplement with DHT. It's got more metabolic effects, better effects on muscle & erections, than testosterone enthanate.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Propecia doesn't kill testosterone. Finasteride is a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, it prevents conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone.

There are lots of individual cases of issues but overall there are tons of men who have no issues at all.

[–]Pancakes1 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Been on Propecia for 7 years. Still have uncontrolable rock hard boners and can Deadlift 405. 28 yo now.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Most studies show propecia increasing test. By inhibiting test from converting to dht test stays higher, that being said only about 5% is converted to dht and mg for mg dht is a stronger androgen.

Either way theres tons of logs of guys on propecia and even avodart who claim no effects on performance in the gym. Can confirm, been on propecia 6 months now and lifts continue to go up

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

... and some wanker downvoted you for your good fortune. WTF

[–]energyinmotion 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Whoever it was, downvoting isn't the only thing that's "down" for them. That's probably why.

[–]Ferelden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It kills dht. Specifically the enzyme that converts test to dht.

[–]Die-In-A-Fire 3 points4 points  (1 child)

+1 NEVER TAKE PROPECIA, damage can be irreversible.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (14 children)

Thank God for you writing #2. I had no idea soy would do that. I switched to soy because my doctor told me it was healthier... I am all done with soy now. I need to up my testosterone, not lower it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Soy has no effect on testosterone according to this meta study:

http://www.ergo-log.com/soyprottest.html

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

[–]Massiveshitlord 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Can't just completely disregard a study with an article you found supporting your view. Here's a good article on it that looks at both sides.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Soy is estrogenic, but will only have long term effects if taken at a level that exceeds your body's ability to buffer its natural estrogen. That dude was drinking 3 quarts of soy milk a day!

That'd be akin to me linking to a story about a guy who had a heart attack after eating 5 steaks a day and telling you to eliminate all steak from your diet.

I've seen no evidence to suggest that consistent moderate soy intake will raise your estrogen levels, but would happily reconsider.

[–]MojoMoley -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

Yeah dude, instead of listening to your doctor who worked his ass off and studied for years to give you that advice/prescription rather listen to some random guy on the internet who has no clue what he's talking about! You're real clever!

[–]foldpak111 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah lets take a science experiment and mask the problem, rather than expose and correct it. Doctors are not nutritionists. You think they are going to get paid for telling you to correct your diet?

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Doctors tend to be completely uneducated about thousands of health related issues. Take the fiasco of "cholesterol is bad for your heart".... Oops. And then it wasn't.

By the way, statin drugs which were used to reduce cholesterol -- also hammer your sperm production.

Any doctor ever warn you about that?

[–]foldpak111 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We live in a social matrix. It's all a plot to keep you a low little man. I started feeling amazing after I started drinking raw eggs every morning. People to this day, when seeing me consume so many eggs, say it's bad for my heart. Pretty funny stuff. The good cholesterol directly converts to testosterone production. But testosterone bad it's for 'douchbags'

[–]TreePlusTree 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yea, dude, that doctor got an A in Soy Class

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Think about all the doctors that told fat people to avoid fatty foods.

And told heart patients to avoid cholesterol.

Or that salt was a major killer.

So much idiocy in contemporary medicine it's amazing they still have credibility left. And 90% of doctors are parrots. They read it and spit it back out without an ounce of understanding or critical thought.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks man, your sarcasm was so helpful. Totally made a difference!

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had to stop drinking those naked protein zone because they had soy in them. Fuckin bummer. They were so convenient and loaded with greens.

[–]AnalLeak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just wanted to chime in and let you know that I take Propecia and my test is at 849 ng/dl. It's my diet that keeps me high.

[–]billsmashole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take D-aspartic acid. Great way to naturally raise test levels. They sell it on Amazon for $20 and that should last you a few months.

[–]jonewman 51 points51 points [recovered]

My personal advice: if you're still young and want to wait a while before injecting. Here is the lifestyle alternative.

First wake up, get the fuck out of bed, and go ape shit. get your day started early. rise with the sun. Throw your arms up in the air, crawl around, pound your chest, breathe deep and let out a roar. Really. Unleash the visceral instincts. Swing your dick around and take cold shower if it makes you feel better. Who cares about science, this is a ritual. Believe in it.

Eat simple and eat clean, organic RAW grassfed no hormones all that good shit. (My big 3: meat, potatoes, spinach). I don't fuck around with a variety of vegetables. Potatoes really are my only source of carbs. No rice no bread no beans. Keep it simple. Dairy isnt necessary although it isn't really harmful either, it's especially cool for younger boys still growing (but again, buy this only if you can afford the clean and raw shit). Cook with animal fats (ghee butter, duck fat etc). Eat liver. (The greatest superfood) Simply use bell pepper and Himalayan salt to season your food. (Most spices and herbs have an anti-androgenic effect). Snack on fruits and celery (pomegranate, watermelon, pineapple, berries, citrus fruits). Drink filtered water (I own a berkey). Get quality sleep. lift heavy, quick and intense 3/4 days a week.

High fat diet (40-50%). Raise your carbs on big lift days, lower them on rest days. Understand how much protein you really need. It's slightly different for everybody. Generally, people always seem to go overboard with protein when eating "big" and leave too little room for good fats and productive carbs.

Try to really do intermittent fasting and carb Backloading. This way your carbs work efficiently. Feast between 4-5 hours, Fast for 20-19 hours.

Ideally what you should try to do is lift big around 4 or 5pm, eat all your food before 10-11pm and get to sleep. This way your putting your body in sync with a more anabolic and androgenic rhythm. You are hacking your body for optimal growth, recovery, and performance.

Other than that, practice healthy competition, hang out with your boys. Build your tribe and push each other. A healthy sex life will also keep your mind right, so keep a girl on hand.

I also recommend these supplements.

Boron. Zinc and magnesium (don't go overboard with zinc, just get it to a healthy level). Vitamin D liquid. Blue Ice Butter oil/Fermented Cod liver oil Blend. Creatine Monohydrate.

Quit using plastic. Use glass, wood, steel etc. Use quality cookware. Cast iron pans and whatever else work. Buy safe grooming and cleaning products.

Don't lose your mind over it, just be aware of the nasty crap you could be putting in and on your body.

[–]unsafeword 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Do you have a single multivitamin you recommend with all or most of your supplement recommendations?

[–]jonewman 3 points3 points [recovered]

No, just those supplements and my own liver tablets.

Just buy some liver, cut it up in pill size pieces (cooked or raw), put it in the freezer.

[–]1Revo_Luzione 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got a solid grass-fed Argentine freeze-dried liver powder from NOW foods, and put it in my protein shakes, for when I don't have a container of cooked liver in the fridge.

[–]sensitiveduck 3 points3 points [recovered]

This is me 99%. One problem I have is I don't know which water to drink. I'm in Belgium and I fill my bottles made of glass with tap water.

[–]Ovadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm from the US but here they have large water bottle (12-20 L) filling stations that are filtered by reverse osmosis. This will take out pretty much everything but the water itself. If they have something like that where you live look at filling your glass jugs there.

[–]1Revo_Luzione 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get a bottle filter, or filtered water.

[–]450k_crackparty 2 points3 points  (2 children)

For meat, there is no greater feeling than eating well prepared game meat from an animal you shot. No hormones, nice and lean, and you feel fulfilled eating the fruits of your labours. I eat a hunk of deer, bird or fish I caught pretty much every night. Just eating it makes you feel manly.

[–]jonewman 2 points2 points [recovered]

how and where do you do this? i understand this is an appealing movement. Ideally this is the way i would do it. there is just a huge disconnect for me. i just dont understand how you can get all your meat from wild game.

[–]1Revo_Luzione 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Solid post. Great work. You are an educated man, and your health will benefit from your well-researched and well-tested protocol.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Yep. Millions of men on TRT these days. Big growing trend. Just have kids first if you're planning to.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Interesting. Didn't know that was being prescribed. What country are you in? (I'm not in the US). I didn't realize Clomid was being recommended by docs for Low T. Is that common?

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[–]Die-In-A-Fire 0 points1 point  (2 children)

well...they don't HAVE to cost more, its just what they are deciding to charge. Clomid therapy is still considered "off label" last I heard so you have a solid, progressive urologist if they are recommending try clomid first. Always start with the least strong/risky solution.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here are some studies about supplements that can boost testosterone:

http://www.ergo-log.com/testosteroneboosters.html

And don't neglect diet, exercise, and sleep.

[–]AnalLeak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saturated fats. Ketogenic diet. Lifting. I take Propecia daily. I tested 849 ng/dl this month. It's very high. Diet is key. I haven't even been lifting much this year...

[–]nillotampoco 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Allow me to nitpick one second, phytoestrogens or plant estrogen are actually a good thing.

They are much less active/potent than endogenous or chemical estrogens so when they find a receptor they block more active estrogens from doing their thing while being less harmful.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's partially true. So if your body is inundated with more potent estrogens, the phytoestrogens would attach to the receptors acting like an estrogen antagonist.

But they're still estrogens. And drinking too much Soy will still give you man-boobs.

Melatonin is a better natural antagonist.

[–]grayman12 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's likely that some sort of environmental exposure is responsible for the testosterone decline, Travison said, although he said attempting to explain what this might be based on the current findings would be "pure conjecture."

You were saying?

chemical war on men

Glad you decided not to hyperbolize though.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not remotely hyperbole.

That's now a very old article. It's the first link that came up while doing a search on my phone, but this is a subject I follow closely.

You can do your own research if you have questions.

The evidence for the long list of environmental factors is now very clear. As is the well established decline of testosterone levels in the developed world. The environmental damage of physically feminized organisms is also becoming extremely serious.

Eg: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/birth-control-pills-have-negative-effect-on-lake-ecosystems-study-1.2051279

http://www.livescience.com/20532-birth-control-water-pollution.html

If you're looking to challenge what is now a well documented trend, I suggest doing more than pulling a single quote -- which by the way did not even question the important part: That testosterone levels are declining rapidly. That much we have known for over a decade. Is that not already bad enough? Attribute causality however you like, the trend alone is cause for alarm.

Complicating the subject however, is the fact that feminists continuously hamper and downplay the research. Why? Because of the inconvenient truth that their precious "pill" is destroying the environment and having a feminizing effect on both human and animal males.

And pharmaceutical companies which contribute to reduced male sex drive are making insane amounts of money from propecia, birth control pills and statin drugs like Crestor and Lipitor. Don't expect honesty from them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

plastic water bottles

Can you elaborate on that? I think a lot of water from plastic bottles that I buy in the store (I live in central EU though). I can't drink water from pipe because it's too dirty and I get diarrhea.

[–]95wave 3 points4 points  (0 children)

also can you use a filter to remove it?

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 2 points2 points [recovered]

I know this is a bit of an asshole comment, but isn't their loss my gain. Like I lift, eat a high red meat diet and can just sense my thirst for dominance and innate aggression is higher than other men. I feel like it's part of my competitive edge. So is this not a good thing for RP men?

[–]TreePlusTree 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good for us, bad for our society. No one should get on you for not personally caring about other guys, but it's good to have some people at least that do care. These fem men are a large percent of voters, and I'd hate to have to rely on them if the fuckin chinese or russians invade

[–]RPthrowaway123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ. That is truly horrifying - these unintentional side effects of our society's feminization are at least as insidious as the overt attacks on manhood...I don't even know what to do to combat that...I can eat right, work out, have a high paying job and still end up emasculated?

[–]throwaway112697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

O brave new world, that has such people in it...

[–]ShawtySayWhaaat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some of the sons are lucky, and find places like TRP.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've seen this start to happen in my relatives children who are about 10-12 years younger than me and it disgusts/depresses me. I have a little cousin who is borderline bullied by his mom and younger sister (she's gotta be like 5 and he's 10? Maybe) and have commented to my own mom who's close with those family members that he's way too much of a pussy and needs to grow a proverbial pair. I get that you should respect/ love moms and sisters but why is he subservient to them? It was his mom and beta dad who made the decision to have more spawn not his, but unfortunately he doesn't know any better. I won't be having children for the next 10 years or so and would want a son when I do, but am scared of the world he'll grow up in. At this point, I'd rather have a daughter with above average attractiveness so she has an easier life.

[–]1Zanford 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, OP, given your RP awareness of the situation, you are already ahead of 90% of fathers with sons. You'll just have to do what you can to counter the influences. If your wife isn't working, consider home schooling.

[–]1Halfjor 70 points71 points  (19 children)

Everywhere you turn, boys are actively encouraged to be girls. Boys who are too rambunctious are deemed "non-compliant" and "difficult". Boys who like playing cowboys and indians are termed "disruptive". Boys who can't sit still in a classroom, and want to go out exploring the world are deemed "ADHD"—and thus drugged to the gills.

This bothers me so much more than all of the obviously fabricated feminist shit like the sexual assault prevention seminar I'm forced to attend every year at my college. These guidelines and standards are extremely ingrained into American schools and the raising of young boys. So much so that most people probably don't even realize it. The entirety of the way schools are run is predisposed to a female upbringing. It systematically stifles natural male instincts and behaviors.

Look at nature, a pack of lions for example. The lion cubs play, biting, running around, and being aggressive. It's a natural instinct. Their instinct to play serves the purpose of developing and honing the skills they will need as they grow. The ability to hunt and protect themselves. The development of the intelligence they need and mental strength for their harsh lives.

Someone is picking on you and you get into a fight on the playground? It's instantly broken up. Of course, someone will always be there to protect you and make sure things are fair. Playing games and being aggressive? You need to stop it. You have too much energy. Something is wrong with you. Remember, everyone is equal. We obviously all have the exact same strengths and weaknesses. There's no need to recognize them and utilize them to their fullest potential.

Everything about our cultural raising of boys is negative. Competition is not allowed. Everything is made fair. Their natural urges and instincts are demolished. Boys need an environment that nurtures these instincts and fosters their natural growth into men. The feminist imperative doesn't want this. They hate it. They feel threatened by it. They see the behavior of our male youth as bad. Some of them think it's downright evil. The environment they need is totally different from the environment that promotes the natural growth and development of young girls. They hate our boys, and they're doing a great job of manipulating them and grooming them into submissive little drones to fit their vision of an ideal world where every male has been mentally castrated from the second they hit pre-school.

[–]TW_RPAwake 25 points26 points  (0 children)

<weep_for_future>

I asked my son about school one day when he was in 2nd grade. He said he liked recess. I asked if he plays tag or dodgeball. He said no, you get in trouble for roughhousing like that.

<weep_for_future/>

[–]dhump 44 points45 points  (9 children)

The "everyone is equal" shit really bothers me. No, everyone is not equal. It's the way of the world.

Sorry, but someone has to cook the French fries.

[–]DoctorsHateHim 49 points50 points  (6 children)

The only thing that should be equal are everyone's opportunities. Everything else is up to yourself.

[–]dhump 18 points19 points  (3 children)

That's exactly my stance, and always has been. When you give someone a leg-up due to what ever social injustice you perceive, that isn't exactly preserving the "equality" so many SJWs bitch about.

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[–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

French fries are so damn good lol, limit them to once a week though.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 19 points20 points  (1 child)

This reminds me of a time when I was 6 or 7. My friends and I would fight and wrestle each other in a group of three for fun. The only rules we had were that you couldn't hit the face, throat, and nuts. One of us would go down from a gut shot, we'd laughed, the other two would resume with each other, the downed man would suck it up and recover, then return to the match. It felt so masculine. This was back in the 90's when kids would and could play outside all day. This whole pedophile hysteria and too much access to technology has eradicated that.

[–]foldpak111 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Even after tech came in (I'm 21) I was out with my boys from 8am-10pm living it up. Everyone was living in fb and shit lol oh god poor things

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Their instinct to play serves the purpose of developing and honing the skills they will need as they grow. The ability to hunt and protect themselves. The development of the intelligence they need and mental strength for their harsh lives.

This is one of the argument pivots. Those who oppose masculinity will point out - and without irony, actually believing it to be true - that modern humans do not need to live like that anymore, we've "evolved 'beyond' that" or whatever, and that therefore the elimination or reduction of these behaviours that promote 'animalistic' learning is a good thing. They will argue that what prepares lions (and every other social predator) for the real world is irrelevant to a human who will spend his life working in a chair in front of a glowing rectangle.

They believe the fantasy- that we are not animals. They think they accept that simple biological fact, but they cannot ever mention our animal nature without some "but" clause to mention how we're not the same as the other animals. This to me proves they don't really see humans as animals, as social predators. The more extreme among them also believe that we are not naturally predators at all - all eloi and no morlock, if you will.

Of course, that line of argumentation - which I've encountered over and bloody over again - is flawed on more than one front. The modern Western middle+ class bubble is exactly that; the real world feels free impose itself on us on a regular basis (ask the tsunami survivors of 2004, for example); people behave like pack predators in covert and often overt ways all the time; the dynamics of being an animal like we are is* threaded into almost every human interaction, even and perhaps especially the ones that appear to be abstract from our animal natures.

Edit: in to is

[–]Redrog1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this place. Even when I was beta I was seeing all this you are saying, but if I talked half of it with someone they would look at me weird. Reading people express exactly how I feel after the bullshit was the norm feels great, for some reason it gives me interior peace.

[–]DexterousRichard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And likewise, we only get angry about it if we feel it is a threat.

I have to remind myself to relax a bit. Because they will NEVER be able to eradicate masculinity.

[–]mykonos_rm 20 points21 points  (0 children)

So be a kick ass father and groom your sons to withstand societal pressures. We need more boys to be raised by good MEN.

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 65 points66 points  (32 children)

Boys who like playing cowboys and indians are termed "disruptive"

Its also now offensive to do this. Cultural appropriation of indians. And promoting gun violence. Some kids get expelled from school for making their hand into gun shapes.

[–]Darkone06 19 points20 points  (20 children)

My little brother got us into trouble for saying that his favarite show was The Walking Dead and that we had bought him a Nerf Crossbowl for Xmass.

I told them to fuck off, at home he is free to watch any tv he wants. If he wants to watch porn, he can for all I care. Its normal behavior.

[–]foldpak111 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You wanna know the state of modern society. Society is cool with kids going on killing sprees on call of duty (if you bring it up they will disagree, but keep your mouth shut and it's exactly how things go, funny how that works), but god forbid he look at some booties. Love the act of taking life, but vilify the act that gives life. I'm done

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[–]Darkone06 15 points16 points  (6 children)

It was more of an expression to demonstrate how furious I was with the school trying to overstepped their authorship and influence outside of school.

It just pissed me off that they were trying to suggest we stop letting him watch action shows or movies.

[–]nofaprecommender 1 point2 points  (5 children)

The Walking Dead is such a good drama, too, it's not even gratuitous violence.

[–]NevrEndr 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Serious? Couple episodes ago a dude got impaled after blowing up a zombie soldier that had a grenade then was disboweled and had his guts eaten while still alive and screaming. I wouldn't want my 10 yr old watching that

[–]Darkone06 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I respect that you do not want your 10 year old watching that. The problem I have and I agree with op is that society is trying to keep boys from watching shows that can be consider masculine.

I'm not going to force my kid watch non masculine shows just because the school insist that masculine shows promotes violence.

If he was being violent or aggressive towards others that's one thing but just because the administrators don't agree with the shows phylosophy and theme is another.

[–]nofaprecommender 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's one way to look at things. It does sound bad. Some kids might be scared, some might want to watch. There's reasons for the violence, mostly. I think it depends on the maturity level of the kid and his or her understanding of fiction. It's something you could at least talk about with the kid.

[–]JTPish 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Not a big deal. In this case, best just to find a new school.

[–]widec 9 points10 points  (5 children)

It's not always that easy, your child might lose eligibility to take the school bus if they switched schools, and some regions will just straight up not let you enroll your kids in a school if you don't have a home address in that area.

[–]CrimsonDeep 9 points10 points  (4 children)

public school. . . the corral for the potential free minds . If ever have Kids I'M going to home school them . . . Fuck sheep farms !

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Gotta find some way for them to engage socially though so they dont become shut-ins.

[–]1cover20 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah this. I am on a list with a lot of parents who homeschool, and there is generally a social tradeoff, a big one, unless many other local parents also homeschool and they form a "group homeschool". And trying to replicate the role of teacher is a hell of a lot of work. Yes they are taught some nonsense in school, but can you do it at least 4 hours a day instead? Instead be the emotional anchor, outplay the district and school in the bullshit discipline game, and keep your boy's spirits up. Send him to summer camp and other such activities.

[–]nofaprecommender 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I bet there are more alternative and part-time schools that might work with homeschooling parents out there than there used to be.

[–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly what I was thinking. All you'd really have to do is get him into a combat sport. I will not allow him or her to become brainwashed by the system. By the time they get out into the big, bad world they will be so conditioned to laugh at how severe the problem is.

[–]nomad-oz 10 points11 points  (7 children)

I went to a private all boys high school. I was the smallest kid there. 250 guys will toughen a boy up. Guys pick and tease any weakness until you learn to ignore it. I learned fight and stand up to bullies. I learned to ask for what I want.

I never spoke to a girl untill uni. I had zero game. I played basketball, girls would come talk and give me their phone No. My team mates would say she is cute I wish I had her phone No. I'd say I have it, and hand it over. One offered me a massage. I told her I didn't need one. The guys died laughing. The I had no fukkin idea.

I also didn't know I was supposed to be afraid to talk to girls. That I should put them on a pedestal. Buy them drinks and let them get away with being rude. So I treated them the same as my mates. I would approach a group of girls, make them laugh, tease them. Then my so called mates would swoop, buy them drinks and cut me out. I soon realized I worked better alone.

I also didn't know you were supposed to pull one girl at a time. My first time was with twin sisters. Girls are never alone. I would approach two girls and tease them both. Play them off one another. Girls are competitive and one-up each other. They are especially scared to look foolish. If you can make something look fun and normal and get them in the right mood they will just go along with it. No matter how crazy. All it takes is balls.

I could never understand the BP guys afraid to talk to girls. It must be something in the co-education system that makes men put women on pedestals. Afraid of their male sexuality. It is up to RP men to teach their sons. The reason I found TRP is to help my partners grandson make his own way and not be a beta follower. His beta loser dad is only weeks away from divorce. I've already started teaching him leadership, self confidence, communication skills. TRP has been great in showing me the bigger picture.

[–]highlivin[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Girls are competitive and one-up each other. They are especially scared to look foolish. If you can make something look fun and normal and get them in the right mood they will just go along with it. No matter how crazy. All it takes is balls.

Fuckin'-A—this is hard-core hands-down THE best advice I've heard or read in a long long while.

Kudos.

[–]nomad-oz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This how I score my 3somes. After getting two girls to relax and laugh they will be wondering which one you fancy. Whisper to one I'm gonna fuck you so hard tonight She will have a smug wicked smile. Whisper to the other girl. She's up for a 3some how about you?

Basically you plant the 3some thought. Let each girl think the other one wants it more. Make it sound normal for you and that it will great fun. Add it's a chance to get wild and kinky and a new experience. Neither girl will want to let down her GF nor pass up the opportunity.

If they still balk along the lines... it's your fantasy not theirs. I say No prob go find another bloke and you can be the meat in the sandwich, we can do FFM next time It's the No.1 chick fantasy, if they are discussing it, they want to get kinky with you.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (2 children)

co-ed grade-school teaches females to use shame and other men to cause reputation harm to men that inhibits everything else - it's not just self-inhibition, others will stand in your way who have much more power over you, including teachers.

[–]nomad-oz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fortunately I was taught by Christian Brotthers.

Talking with the grandson Max. He tells me he saw a girl slap a boy for no obvious reason. When he complained he got in trouble in that he must have done something to make her angry. Max went on to tell me girls never get into trouble ever, unlike boys.

Yep 100% female staff. Preaching Feminist Leftard propaganga. Even calling everyone "sheeple"

This is why I searched and found TRP.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

i was talking to a mate he said his son was disgnosed with some disorder where he does not respect authority and he's being medicated and receiving psychotherapy... he's seven years old :( ... i'm not such good mates with him anymore since he enables the system

[–]highlivin[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Men who fold at what (on its face) seems an absurd rationalization to medicate a child are men whom you can never depend on or trust.

[–]1oldredder 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Disrespecting authority is a proper job and used to be respected - we called it journalism at one point when aimed in the direction of exposure & repeating evidence of wrong-doing.

Not in this generation.

No "authority" can exist where consent is not given. You can delegate authority but if you did not then no one is authority but yourself, and when you're a child, your parents.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Disrespecting authority is a proper job and used to be respected - we called it journalism at one point when aimed in the direction of exposure & repeating evidence of wrong-doing.

It's post-modernism supplanting modernism.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/miscellaneous/contrasting-modern-and-post-modern-discourse/

[–]lord-denning 27 points28 points  (2 children)

This is very true. Pictures of men dressed as women, or getting their toenails done, or makeup done as a joke with their daughters are promoted and up voted to the front page. Articles about men realizing they are trans are promoted heavily on cnn.com and other places.

It is all about normalizing and encouraging men to become effeminate. Fight the power.

[–]batterettab 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hollywood and the media are the biggest cancers in american society.

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To top it off, if you let your six or seven year old son walk a few blocks to a friend's house—learning an important lesson in self-reliance, as I was regularly allowed to do as a child—you are deemed an unfit parent, and can have your child taken away.

Can't remember where I saw it, but somewhere on Reddit about 6 months ago there was a video (maybe article) of a family who was turned over to CPS for letting their kid play in their front yard. The CPS person actually came out to there house and told them if you let your child play outside unattended, it will be taken away from you.

Growing up the early 90's, there was an elementary school behind my house. Everyday all the kids in the neighborhood would meet up on the playground around 4ish (after homework) and we'd play tag, capture the flag, all kinds of different games. This probably started when I was...8? Honestly, those are some of my fondest childhood memories - the idea that kids can't have things like that nowadays without a helicopter parent is just tragic.

[–]Nodeal_reddit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have three boys and a girl. Mine are young, but I think the environment you consciously put them in plays a large role in the impact society has. Mine are in Scouts, take martial arts, and play on boys-only sports teams. In the end, you're the parent and have to take ownership of who you allow to influence your children.

[–]batterettab 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Everywhere you turn, boys are actively encouraged to be girls

The effeminization of men, especially in urban centers, has been a aim of the feminists, etc for a long time. In europe, most men are pretty much women. You can hardly them seriously. That's why muslims go there to rape their women and children. Honestly, if you want to rape women and children, go visit any scandinavian country and have fun because the worst that going to happen is you will be sent to a resort masquerading as a prison where people try to figure out how society has turned you into a rapist. And day by day, the degenerates that turn europe into a cesspool are working overtime in the US.

One of the biggest problems is the Department of Education and the centralize nature of our education program. Not to mention the women that essentially run and "teach" children.

Ultimately, such societies decay, crumble and get conquered. But the powers that be, the monied interests and hollywood are intent on pushing their agenda so there's no stopping it I'm afraid.

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And then feminists turn around and wonder why they "can't find any good men these days." It's because there're hardly any left, thanks to you gals!

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (11 children)

You have an opportunity to correct the wrongs that will become bestowed upon him by society.

  • In trouble for teasing a girl on the playground? Keep up the good work son

  • One of his classmates disrespected him so he stood up for himself and got in trouble? Atta boy

  • Girls talking together in a circle? Son, go over there and talk to them

[–]1beerthroway 18 points19 points  (1 child)

It goes beyond that. It's so difficult to teach these things because you need to teach your son how to live in the shadows and blend in so the SJWs don't destroy him before he even gets a chance (I see it all the time around 11-15 years old).

A middle school aged boy doesn't understand covert operation... yet. Boys at this age that I come across with the opportunity to teach masculinity I usually teach them things like:

  • Never let anyone hear you complain. I challenge you to do this for a week. (Boys love challenges and girls complain all the time.) "Only little girls complain, don't be a girl."

  • Teaching agree and amplify in cases of "bullying" (verbal "bullying" that guys do just for fun)

  • Teaching them how to shake hands firmly and make eye contact. They love this, I get guys coming to shake my hand daily. If they don't do it right, I act upset disappointed and have them do it again. They love that even more. They never get men teaching them manly shit like this so they soak it up.

[–]americanmook 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True this is worst. You gotta teach your kids lessons they just won't be old enough to understand. I advise to start early with simple things that build into the bigger point.

A father should be firm and fair too. Teenage angst can be a disruptor too.

[–]MirthSpindle[🍰] 14 points15 points  (8 children)

I don't think being an asshole to anyone, girl or boy, is something to promote. Being respectful and humble isn't taking away masculinity in my opinion.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

If you can't tell the difference between teasing and being an asshole then you need to read the sidebar again

[–]UncleCarnage 15 points16 points  (0 children)

kids don't know the difference. a kid isn't gonna tease a girl in a playful way.. he's either gonna be an asshole or not

[–]DoctorsHateHim 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's what boys do and have done for millenia, there is nothing wrong with it, childhood is for testing your limits and exploring.

[–]aazav 3 points4 points  (0 children)

boys are actively encouraged to be girls.

And that disgusts and repulses me to no end.

It's emasculating. It's shameful. It creates confused kids.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Congrats on the boy, glad he's in a red piller's hands ;)

You're right, it's gonna be tough as hell for him to grow up in this day and age. I'm also reconsidering if the US is where I'd like to raise a family.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Much like women, you have to keep in mind that it's what society says it wants. Showing manly traits is still highly rewarded in pretty much all aspects of life.

[–]watersign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the NWO thanks to the UN and other psychopaths running "the system".

Home school your kids!! Seriously. Public schools are just low security prisons.

[–]justinsayin 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I'm younger than you, but my two boys are early teens. My best little bit of advice is to literally throw out your TV. The last thing kids need is to be learning life lessons from the writers and directors in Hollywoodland. Keep the internet connection, but lock down the router with Open DNS until they are the age you would be OK with them finding Hustler magazines. Subscribe them to some YouTube channels with the kid app and give them their own Netflix queue, preapproved by you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Growing up, if the TV wasn't on sports or movies that my dad liked (James Bond, Westerns, Stallone/Schwarzenegger movies), we didn't get to watch it.

Now that I look back, it was a fantastic way to bond. Plus, he'll even say now that he didn't want us to get into any of that other shit.

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great ideas. I'll check out Open DNS.

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[–]justinsayin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm on board with that completely, as long as you have your TVs in a room you'll also be in with them so you can point out that this isn't how people actually (should) act. Other people let the kids watch 12 hours of Saturday TV alone in their basement while having a kid-free day. Two sides to every story, and you make a good point.

[–]alreadyredschool 6 points7 points  (0 children)

OP and everyone else read the play deficit. It is a great read about Evo psych and kids.

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Young dad with a 3 yr old son. He's all boy. Walks around using plastic toy golf clubs as guns. I've taught him to be tough (I don't run to him when he falls, he looks to see my reaction--I give him the thumbs up, he brushes himself off) and how to wrestle and play. I know he's gunna get in teouble when he starta preschool in may.

All you can do is be the best man you can be. As long as you don't disappear from his life, hell be okay.

[–]LUClEN 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do people really call child services for kids walking alone?

[–]highlivin[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They do—all the time.

Do a Google search, you'll be stunned.

[–]blizzardice 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I fear this for my future children.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Get him into wrestling. It's the most masculine sport still allowed in schools.

[–]SoldierGenerale 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My kid is gonna take up boxing at the age of 4. When someone hits him or bullies him he has to hit them back and stand up for himself. I'm also gonna encourage him to get lots of gf's. The earlier he learns how to spit game the more natural he'll be later on.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 11 points12 points  (15 children)

I'm afraid the worst isn't over yet.

Blue Pill has it's Racism branch (African Civil Rights) and it's Sexism branch. (Feminism)

The Racism branch will practially disappear after Obama leaves office because everyone is completely sick of it.

Assuming Hillary is elected as the next president the Sexism branch will light up and you will see masculinity pounded down even further.

Once the assault is complete the Misandry Bubble will have exhausted itself and we can expect a very rapid collapse equal to what we saw in the former Soviet Union and China. Those will be really exciting days... "may you live in interesting times" I suppose. (considered a curse)

So for the next decade things will suck in America.

But after that there is hope things go back to following natural laws.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

just be the example you need to be. My old man wasn't the most manly, but I learned things from him and use him as an example of what not to be and do. But I love him and he's always there in clutch situations. Do the best you can with what you have

[–]ElPujaguante 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, set the example. It is the first principle of leadership (I hope, because I am in a similar situation to OP) and the best way to show your son what manhood should be. Not Hollyweird, not words, a father who walks the walk.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Boys who like playing cowboys and indians

By god! That's racist and politically incorrect!

[–]Panda_Love_23 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Ugh, feminization has seriously ruined a lot of the U.S. I find rough, aggressive men very attractive and the preferred mate. I never had a desire to be with a docile "man" who is just as sensitive as a woman on her period. It's probably the same for guys when faced with chicks who think they are men. Only a tiny fraction actually like those gender swaps. It's just not natural.

And did I mention how much I hate how feminists have ruined all of this? Because I do. I really do. This post definitely hits the nail on the head for me about how feminism has ruined little boys who will eventually be society's men, and I couldn't agree with it more. I can't sneeze anymore without somehow offending someone because feminists are offended by everything, including the 'masculine' men because they are 'rubbing their macho-ness in women's faces'. It's like, bitch please, I know you would pick a rough dude over a soft one any day of the week if you had the chance. It's very frustrating as a lady to see this and realize people of my own gender are responsible for this. I apologize for that, and I am glad you are going to raise your son right and let him be his boyish self. I can only hope feminism has seen its 15 minutes of fame and will eventually die out for good.

[–]starvinmarvin30 8 points9 points  (1 child)

My biggest fear as a father to two young boys ages 4 and 2 is dying early. And I'm only 30! Im trying to raise men and not have society raise them to be anything less. I've already been sprinkling some TRP principles in my 4 year olds ear. Haha!

[–]rangamatchstick 2 points3 points  (3 children)

So growing up having stick fights, throwing rock and honkey nuts at eachother, doing BMX jumps, setting stuff on fire, running through the bush you are barley tall enough to see over for hours at a time. Thats a bad thing?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Well...apparently it is now. As a kid we used to go and do all kinds of stuff. Get dirty, hurt ourselves, its just what you did as a kid. I can see a fine line out there between the people who went out and did kid stuff or the ones who had a parent directing their every move. You can see it in who tends to get sick and who doesnt. Those of us who we out in the dirt, running through the bush tend not to get sick as often if ever anymore whereas the babied ones get sick all the damn time. I never get sick, except maybe once every 5 years or so...maybe. The system needs to get the boys sick again so all the doctors will have jobs. They need men to be complete pussies because its in the best interest of the dollar, which is in the best interest of the feminists. Shit, I still lit stuff on fire well into college.

[–]Yespleasexx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There is a really good article by Matt Walsh about how "ADHD" does not exist and is not a really thing. An excellent read for any new fathers like myself that will one day have to navigate the issues that our children will face if they "act like children"

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Damn it. I was with you right until you threw out the docile gay trope. As a gay guy who scares the shit out of the docile and manly man straight boys around me I ask you to knock this shit off. I read this sub because it helps me deal with hamsters in the work place and for the valid points on what it means to be a man.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, brings down the quality of his post a few notches by playing to tired old stereotypes

[–]theHangedGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He'll see a lot of this in the school system, but give him outlets for what he will be. Sports need to be a big part of any young boys life, give him the option and heavily recommend it. If you have the time, take up a martial art with a good teacher. BJJ or something. If you're son sees you doing something like that as he grows up, he'll want to do it to.

He will want to do what he sees you do day in and day out, not what you tell him to do. Monkey see monkey do applies strongly to a growing man.

You will be his model for God. Teach him to think rationally more than anything else and he'll figure the world out as he gets older.

[–]ZippyTheSpaceMonkey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of the primary reasons I'm here is so that I can hand a huge body of knowledge down to my kids, so that they don't get steamrolled by society, obligation, or what others have planned for them -- a body of knowledge that I wished my dad, or some long-lost uncle, had given me when I was a young man. Pass on what you've learned to them, otherwise they're navigating this fucked up world on their own, as many of us are, to figure things out alone.

PS: If you're new here, don't comment. Read. Research. Internalize. Lift. There are plenty of people with more experience to learn from, so pipe down, take notes, and put all of this knowledge you've discovered into making yourself a better man.

[–]MightyTaint 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't look at it as how horrible it is what society wants to do to your son. Look at how lucky he is to have a father like you, and will be able to take advantage of all the other weak fuckers that society produces because they let their sons be raised to be girls. Your son is going to run things.

[–]nermolov 3 points3 points [recovered]

I am in high school, but my old school was terrible. Zero tolerance no contact policy. One of the last things that happened before I left was that someone brought a vinegar "bomb" (banking soda and vinegar) and the administration flipped. The kid got suspended for a week. Ridiculous.

[–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If that's the landscape modern America is brewing, real men are going to be a rare commodity.

Raise him up well.. You owe it to him.

[–]highlivin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They already are a rare commodity.

[–]archaeopter 1 point2 points  (4 children)

All these qualities—calm docility, playing together without competition, sitting still for hours in a classroom—are all qualities of girls.

Woodworking is for girls, then? Woodworking involves being calm and docile, doesn't involve competition, and requires you to move little for hours.

Edit: You guys fail to get the point. I quoted traits that the OP is describing, all of which could describe woodworking, but the OP attributes these traits to "girls." Those traits aren't "for girls" at all, per se, nor is woodworking per se. Those traits can be very useful in "manly" tasks as well as "feminine" tasks.

[–]SuperSlavisWife 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There's a difference between the patience that comes with maturity and domestic docility. Though girls can be very good at woodwork if you spark an interest in it, as calmness can be exploited wherever it comes from.

[–]blue_27 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Building anything is an extremely high level of competition if you ask me. When I was building models, I was "competing" against the image on the box. When I started putting together RC cars, I (and my dad) was (were) competing against all of the other kids (and their dad's) who would show up at the park. I think that architects compete against other architects, structural integrity and gravity. You can't successfully build anything without fear of, and regard for the consequences of failure. Furthermore, the desire for yours to be better than others is the true essence of competition.

tl;dr - a woodworker competes against splinters, poor design and termites.

[–]americanmook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The competition in woodworking is in the woodworker. Making a shitty object obviously pisses anyone off.

[–]cruyff8 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Where do you live then, kind sir?

[–]highlivin[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I live between a non-EU European country, and a very civilized South American country.

[–]cruyff8 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Why are you so secretive to name the two?

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why are you so intent to know?

[–]cruyff8 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just curious as to where to raise my kids, why you so secretive?

[–]UncleCarnage 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why the hell do you call it American society? Do you think it's any different in most European countries?

[–]highlivin[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes it is.

Even in Germany, the most Equalist of all the EU countries, they don't try turning boys into girls.

(They try turning girls into boys and women into men—i.e., Angela Merkel—but that's for another time!)

[–]UncleCarnage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can assure you it's the same here. I live in Switzerland and society is basicly the same as in Germany. Some people like to think that Germans are these manly badasses or whatever but the thruth is German teens are running around as metrosexuals in skinny jeans. Well most of them are.

[–]miguelcristovao 0 points1 point  (2 children)

nice article - "all women like it rough"

[–]highlivin[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

good girls are bad girls whk never got caught

[–]a_nus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be present and constant in his life. Instill the confidence and mindset he'll need to develop into a man. If you have a RP mindset you'll do fine, as will he. My father was absent for most of my childhood. I can tell you with certainty I would've had no need to browse this sub if that hadn't been the case. Congratulations on having your own little human btw!

[–]tman9494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in my late 20 s so I was raised by my old man in the 90s... I agree with your sentiment... the choice lies with you however.... don't overprotect him, or shield him... just show him what it means to be a mean... we're 15 years into the 21st century. .. times have changed... but your right on many levels... for the love of god, don't give children prescription speed, because they get distracted

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