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Pao Loses Meritless "Gender Discrimination" Lawsuit (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]osaka_love_thief 43 points44 points  (6 children)

If you are really curious as to why Tech companies more often then not(I say the 80/20 rule applies) get managed by sub par business leaders there is great article on the topic by a blogger by the name of Michaelochurch.

Not really a huge fan of Mike O Church's articles as they come off as too pessimistic sometimes but I think this quote applies.

And Wall Street, the capital of that world, is morally quite a bit better than its (execrable) reputation might suggest. It may seem very un-me-like to say this, but there are a lot of intelligent, forward-thinking, very good people in the mainstream business culture (“MBA culture”). However, those are not the ones who get sent to Silicon Valley by our colonial masters. The failures are the ones sent into VC firms and TechCrunch-approved startups to manage nerds.

[–]Glenbert 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Thanks for turning me on to this guy. it's like a red pill for the tech/VC world.

[–]omnipedia 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He is absolutely right. The MBAs are the cause of %90 of startup failures- either the ones running the companies or working for VCS.

[–]Cronyx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can you link his blog or whatever it is that you habitually read of his?

[–]djvita 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]llcjer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Peter Schiff spit some truths on the subject as well in his latest podcast.

Ep 65: The Truth About Gender-Based Discrimination Lawsuits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1EK12aKlQs

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    [–]Titan5000 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    I think I read somewhere that she promised him money when she wins, she was so sure of winning. Guess not.

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        [–]miles37 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

        A good leader will make sure to choose/create a good successor.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        They're fine with SRS, why are you surprised?

        [–]stuckinbathroom 25 points26 points  (0 children)

        Look at who Pao follows on Twitter: Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, the list goes on like a who's who of social justice warrior parasites. Perhaps she thought she could emulate their SJW protection racket, forcing gullible companies to pay up or be smeared as sexist/racist/whatever the insult du jour is. Luckily, the jurors were intelligent enough to see through her bullshit.

        [–]1cover20 6 points7 points  (7 children)

        I think she was probably placed here by Kleiner. After all she was (as she complained) on the operational side. Running companies, as opposed to owning them, wasn't good enough for her.

        So she should cease running this one.

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        [–]krakosia 6 points7 points  (5 children)

        One could say there was an Asian bias going on there. But that will be to un-PC.

        [–]DidiDoThat1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        You ever read up on the anti Asian admittance policies at Ivy League and other top schools. It's crazy. Once they all wise up to it we are going to see thousands of Asian babies named Tyrone Xang.

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          [–]DidiDoThat1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You misunderstood my statement. Asians are penalized for being Asian in college admittance in Ivy league colleges and many California colleges. I'm saying they would give kids a black name.

          [–]95wave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          fairly sure that asians will no longer be protected soon, with all of the 'colonialism in Africa' and whatnot.

          [–]notseriouslyserious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Wasn't a bunch of the admin sjw's? Pao would fit right in.

          [–]hypnobearcoup -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

          Maybe after this and all the debt she'll kill herself and we can get a new ceo.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRS73 76 points77 points  (3 children)

          And yet this horror show of a woman is presently interim CEO of Reddit.

          [–]omnipedia 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Hopefully just interim! This place hasn't had a good CEO ever.

          [–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (3 children)

          I'm glad that they went all the way to trial with this since it means a lot more information is revealed publicly, instead of the standard media war with both sides leaking their own hype leading up to silent settlement with no further detail.

          Her career was over when she fucked her boss, but I don't think that entitles her to a big payout. I mean seriously, is someone going to try to get their mistress promoted up to their level? Their ex-mistress? To fuck your way to the top you need to go quite a bit higher than your direct superior, and it just isn't possible in such a small group... it just isn't a practical strategy.

          [–]1cover20 20 points21 points  (0 children)

          I'm glad KP went to trial to show that it could be done. They didn't settle. Less women with nebulous gripes like this will probably complain (something men could never get away with, but women have been using female privilege) if they see they'll end up in court instead of a quiet settlement.

          [–]riverraider69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Her career was over when she fucked her boss

          Why? Doesn't make sense either from my experience nor from what I hear of this case - trouble apparently started a long time after the affair was done and over.

          [–]Redpillc0re 39 points40 points  (6 children)

          She's also reddit's CEO atm. watch ur mouths lol. [i wonder if she directs her crazy here now]

          [–]1cover20 12 points13 points  (5 children)

          It's embarrassing that the CEO's husband is in such legal trouble (which the jury was prevented from knowing but we know it), plus Ellen filed this suit that was mostly harassment against her former employer.

          [–]Redpillc0re 18 points19 points  (4 children)

          (and kept working there after suing them)

          What i found surprising is that most media expected the jury to side with her, even though we knew all these facts beforehand. These facts point clearly to a case of a 'crazy woman' (seriously, just the fact that she alleged harassment after having a consensual relationship with a married coworker is enough to figure out what kind of person she is).

          I hope this verdict might come as a slap to the face of journalists who seek to feature stories like these whenever a woman plays the victim without ever doing a proper investigation.

          [–]1cover20 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          In cases of biased reporting as we see here, we should try to get the offending reporters fired, to let their employers see that continuing to employ them will cost credibility and money.

          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          It's all about the sponsors. I am pretty sure that about 70% of advertising is intended for women, so unless you can rattle the sponsors nothing gets done.

          [–]newls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's happened in favour of men once or twice thankfully.

          In Gamergate several super-heavyweight technology companies cut advertising ties with publications because of the vitriolic misandry their writers were Tweeting and writing about.

          These companies knew that men formed the majority of their customers, so they did not want to be associated with publications whose staff actively bullied and doxxed men.

          And we're not talking about small companies, we're talking about Adobe and Intel. This did huge financial damage to these publications.

          [–]CSMastermind 34 points35 points  (4 children)

          Juror Marshalette Ramsey, 41, a Bay Area Rapid Transit manager, took Pao's side.

          "When promotions were made, this woman was not promoted," she said after the verdict, "maybe it wasn't because of her gender but that doesn't mean she was wrong to sue."

          "We didn't look at it in light of the greater good of the industry," Ramsey added.

          That is fucking terrifying.

          There was no evidence at all to support Pao's claims in this case. The fact that she still got two jurors to side with her coupled with the incredibly biased media coverage of this trial makes me depressed.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          "greater good". because truth is bad so we should lie.

          this ramsey psycho is basically saying she was not interested in facts in court. whoever could have lost the case should be able to press charges or sue this bitch

          [–]Redpillc0re 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, a rapid transit manager is qualified to know the "Greated good of the tech industry".

          I 'll give her kudos for the total red herring though.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          God as if I needed another reason to fucking hate BART.

          [–]choikwa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is one of the flaws of Jury system.

          [–]sumwulf 27 points28 points  (3 children)

          The fall out from this will be that firms will be even less willing to hire well-qualified female candidates because they will be afraid things will end up like this, in court. Why take the risk? Hire a person who isn't likely to sue your ass.

          [–]1cover20 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          I think that would have been the outcome of KP had lost. As it is, they see women might be somewhat reluctant to file nuisance suits or they can hope to win, and they might take the risk of the hire. So, good outcome all around.

          And the other women at KP probably saw it the same way. She had no supporters among her "sisters".

          [–]sumwulf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Maybe, I'm not so sure. I think if I were hiring for very senior positions I might take this case into account. Who wants to get tied up in this sort of suit?

          [–]Areimanes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Big Government will mandate quotas for management (but not for plumbers, electricians, garbage collectors). See Germany where there's now a 30% quota for management positions to be filled by women.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 99 points100 points  (14 children)

          This was arguably one of the most shameless gynocentic things I have ever seen in a legal sense ... the claims of discrimination were so absurd, can't believe it actually went to trial.

          A woman can almost accuse a man of anything these days, without concern for the merit of the accusation. "You stole all my space monkeys and dressed them in ninja costumes, and as a result I'm carrying Jesus' baby and my cat died, all my cats actually, cause you're an asshole blah blah blah" ... and people would think you were an asshole. They don't even question the ridiculousness of the accusation, or the story behind it. Just take it at face value.

          [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 31 points32 points  (1 child)

          First off, I just want to point out this is why "men's clubs" form in work environment. Guys are worried that they have to be walking on eggshells around a lot of women, so they just avoid them as part of the core circle all together... Because shit like this can and does happen from time to time. For instance, she was trying to claim harrassment in one of her several claims because the men at one point were talking about hot women they'd like to sleep with, in private, while not working. On top of that, several employees who used to work with her claim she was always having issues and drama with someone at some point, and would do whatever she could to get rid of these people. She basically just made working with horrible.

          Secondly, this whole case is ridiculous. It wasn't just 15 million or whatever, it was also for 144 million paid out over several years. That number also coincidentally is the same amount her husband owed in his failed ponzi scheme. Not only that, but she also filed this case right after her husband filed for bankruptcy.

          The narcissism in this woman is ridiculous. She actually thought she could get away with it.

          [–]Areimanes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          First off, I just want to point out this is why "men's clubs" form in work environment. Guys are worried that they have to be walking on eggshells around a lot of women, so they just avoid them as part of the core circle all together...

          You have to watch everything you say in a corporate culture where women work. Even talking with male colleagues can get you fucked by HR if you don't adhere to the 'PC brigade' due to Beta's trying to throw you under the bus to receive a pat on their back for being such 'outstanding men'.

          Furthermore, you can't accuse women of being sexist/racist. You'll get laughed at by HR. Even in the case they do take you seriously, you'll forever be known as a snitch to management and they'll try their best to get rid of you/pass you up for promotions.

          Why? Because nobody gives a shit about men.

          Fun anecdote: I was branded sexist by a male co-worker (out of shape, bitch tits, full blown beta) in my first office job a couple of years ago because I said I didn't take women out to restaurants on the first date, and that I expected them to pay for their own drinks when we hung out for the first time. Can you believe that shit?

          Note: I learned my lesson from that encounter. Law 38: Think As You Like But Behave Like Others"

          [–]1jb_trp 36 points37 points  (11 children)

          You must always believe the victim without question. /s

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 18 points19 points  (10 children)

          This lady does a disservice to real victims

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            [–]Glenbert 27 points28 points  (4 children)

            Female is more sexist because it contains -male. But of course woman is also sexist for the same reason. So we say woperson... but then person is also sexist because of -son. So we call them woperpers now.

            Get with it.

            [–]DimorphisticLies 9 points10 points  (3 children)

            I prefer to call them whoppers.

            [–]Glenbert 8 points9 points  (2 children)

            I've haven't yet figured out how, but whoppers is incredibly sexist. Until I do, please check your privilege.

            [–]DidiDoThat1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            w-HO-ppers It's got HO right in the front there. Thine privilege haseth been checkethed CIScum.

            [–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            That's certainly not my problem. But I won't mind if they take it up directly with her.

            A little internal self-criticism within the feminist world, a bit of real motivation for change, some better behavior by dangerous females, would be good things.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            A little internal self-criticism within the feminist world, a bit of real motivation for change, some better behavior by dangerous females, would be good things.

            They insist that their intersectional ideological purges count as doing this.

            [–]stuckinbathroom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Seriously, the level of internal politicking, backstabbing, and intrigue within the SJW tumblrverse is hilarious. It resembles nothing so much as 20th century pseudointellectual Marxist circles.

            [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 41 points42 points  (7 children)

            Look at this comment :

            Liz Gannes 6 MINUTES AGO :

            A couple other notes — well, let’s call it speculation, more accurately. These are not substantiated by me seeing them for myself, but I’ve heard them each from two people who were in the room when the “verdict” was read. One is that juror two, the woman who voted yes on all claims, was wiping away tears while the other jurors gave their verdicts. And the other is that multiple jurors turned their head to look at juror three when he said no on the fourth claim. The implication there is that he changed his vote.

            See that??

            Had you had more I-Love-Jody-Arias type of women on that panel ... you could be seeing PPD like this just up a evaporating.

            At that point you will see shit really start to hit the fan in America.

            [–]Glenbert 39 points40 points  (0 children)

            Here's the real problem: verdicts are triggering. They should have been asked to give a showing of jazz hands.

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              [–]Tarnsman4Life 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              Asians, be they Chinese, Korean, Japanese etc still have a very very strong cultural work ethic. They saw it for what it was, a ploy by a woman who was a failure lashing out world which did not "help her" enough.

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                  [–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

                  I still don't understand how anyone can think the "gender discrimination in the technology field" is anything but laughable.

                  What about the NFL? Shouldn't we sue them because there's no women in the league? SEXISM!

                  Not many understand that women just typically aren't interested in highly technical computer fields, and you know, that they kind of suck at it anyways.

                  [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                  They claim it because it's easy stomping on that field. They know they can accuse people and get a reaction from them, which helps their case. The reality is, these people are mostly white knights to begin with, who just so happen to also have typical nerd male sense of humors which is common with the type of crowd that grew up always being awkward around women.

                  [–]stuckinbathroom 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  Ding ding ding! We have a winner. What's easier, bashing low-status beta tech geeks to extract economic rents, or getting society to turn against high-T alpha politicians or finance types?

                  [–]2insickness 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  The technology field is difficult for EVERYONE. Plenty of people don't get promoted or come to standstills in their careers. And women assume it is because of discrimination. Nope. If you can add value to the company, you get promoted. Not every warm body in a chair gets promoted.

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                  [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 27 points28 points  (2 children)

                  Liz Gannes 6 MINUTES AGO :

                  ... I’ve heard them each from two people who were in the room when the “verdict” was read. One is that juror two, the woman who voted yes on all claims, was wiping away tears while the other jurors gave their verdicts. ...

                  There you go. Get 9 of 12 of those in the jury and you have yourself bullshit lawsuits all day er' day.

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                    [–]1cover20 21 points22 points  (3 children)

                    Here's a tweet about #ellenpao :

                    Melinda Byerley ‏@MJB_SF 3h3 hours ago
                    
                    the only two jurors in favor of #ellenpao were black and latino. the rest were white and asian. we have a long way to go.
                    22 retweets 17 favorites
                    Andre ‏@Hedgology 3h3 hours ago
                    

                    Well I don't think we have a long way to go, here's a case where the female lost in court on reason and the merits despite being female. Every one such case is a major triumph because the system is so unfair. But the system will continue being unfair, biased in favor of women.

                    Discrimination claims are almost a one-way bet for women. Women and men are treated somewhat differently at work; the human genders are not identical. But it's at least fair to women. Women may have a hard time getting thru the "glass ceiling" but if they were men they would have been fired long ago for a female affirmative action candidate.

                    Women can sue on their claims. Men basically cannot sue on theirs.

                    [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                    Here's a crazy idea, how about we decides cases on their merits instead of what race the people involved are?

                    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                    We have a long way to go until whites have as many kids though..

                    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                    Yes this whole lawsuit was quite cynically planned, I believe, hoping that the pussy pass would be accepted.

                    The more I read about this, the more it seems that she was a particularly manipulative person. Obviously there is going to be the element of gendered discrimination that they were hoping to cash in on, but this reminded me of a book I once skimmed in a bookstore about high level sociopaths and manipulators within big companies / organizations.

                    You'll often read here that AWALT, but this is a case of a woman behaving exceptionally badly. This never read to me like a case of a sympathetic scorned woman but rather a very creepy manipulator, something quite different.

                    Cheers to the jury.

                    EDIT: To any RP women or feminist lurkers, my initial impression of her and the case was visceral disgust. Take what you will from that, you have an interest in calling out this bullshit too, for when it actually matters.

                    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                    Whats funny is how the whole internet rallied around her as some big strong women that was going to stick it to the tech sector only for her to fail and be exposed as a complete fraud. Thats the best part, justice is sweet

                    [–]krakosia 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                    Here's the part that is gonna get lost in the noise around this case.

                    Behind the entire smokescreen of gender discrimination is an extremely intelligent woman who is in a lot of financial strife(see her husbands history) and a career which has not really gone where she planned. She was at a prestigious VC firm with the legendary John Doerr as her mentor and she managed to fuck it up with her attitude issues. This eventually snowballed into the case today and her interim CEO position at reddit.

                    Look beyond the gender discrimination and you will see her as a smart woman who knows how to play the system. She has an electrical engineering degree from Princeton University, a JD from Harvard Law School and a MBA from Harvard Business School. She has worked at high level positions in various Silicon Valley firms. This woman knows how the system works and how to play the game.

                    VC's more than the average firms work with a lot of grey areas. Decisions get made which are not necessarily gonna withstand scrutiny in a court of law. There is a personality type required to teeter on the edge of legal vs illegal vs morally right/wrong. As long as things stay private behind doors a mutually understood equilibrium is attained and business goes on. A small example of this would be a few high school kids joking about what they might like to do to a girl with big tits or a great body they spotted on the street. Now none of them are going to go and molest the girl. Its part of banter and light conversation. Now if one of the guys narcs on the group and tells their parents about this then the others are gonna be in trouble as the parents aren't gonna be sympathetic to the context around the words nor do they share the rapport that the kids did. So they get punished and the narc becomes a pariah.

                    When you have a player like Ellen Pao she exposed the firm and all its players to the public courts for her own personal gains. Such an act is the final burning of all bridges and would only be done as a hail mary pass to get out of financial ruin. The checks and balances in place in any job market prevent players from taking such an action. I guarantee you Ellen Pao will be a major red siren for all VC firms and other important companies as she has shown she cannot be relied to keep private matters private.

                    Interesting and important link which covers broadly the areas relevant. Also its in the sidebar and the entire series is a must read: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/11/11/the-gervais-principle-ii-posturetalk-powertalk-babytalk-and-gametalk/

                    Relevant quote:

                    So effective Sociopaths stick with steadfast discipline to the letter of the law, internal and external, because the stupidest way to trip yourself up is in the realm of rules where the Clueless and Losers get to be judges and jury members. What they violate is its spirit, by taking advantage of its ambiguities. Whether this makes them evil or good depends on the situation. That’s a story for another day. Good Sociopaths operate by what they personally choose as a higher morality, in reaction to what they see as the dangers, insanities and stupidities of mob morality. Evil Sociopaths are merely looking for a quick, safe buck. Losers and the Clueless, of course, avoid individual moral decisions altogether.

                    EDIT: To add one more point look out for a lot of opinion pieces in the usual places and the unusual places mentioning how the verdict needs to be ignored and the focus needs to be on the broader conversation that has been started by this case about how unfair tech companies are to women and how the industry isn't meritocratic. Also 99% guarantee Ellen Pao milks the publicity for all its worth. Interviews, book deal, maybe consulting gigs as "gender discrimination reduction" consultant.

                    [–]DonArturo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                    Probably the single best summary of the case so far, by a Reddit user who took the time to dig into the court briefs as the case was ongoing, but whose commentary is mysteriously getting deleted in TwoX and elsewhere despite hundreds of upvotes:

                    https://archive.today/P8I5r

                    [–]lilacblaze 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    This is fantastic reading, thanks for posting.

                    [–]NeoreactionSafe 17 points18 points  (26 children)

                    It's good to see this one failed, but we haven't even gotten to Hillary Clinton yet.

                    "Peak Negro" might be coming to an end, but "Peak Feminism" is still years away.

                    My prediction:

                    African American males who currently buy into Civil Rights dogma will become disillusioned once they get thrown under the bus as Feminism takes over.

                    The African male will begin to see ALL MALES as on the same team.

                    African Civil Rights is the Blue Pill drug that we don't talk about much.


                    So today the Feminists lose... but tomorrow they will win.

                    It gets worse still.

                    [–]ECoast_Man 21 points22 points  (17 children)

                    I really am waiting for this to happen.

                    I have found that all SJ groups seem to have an alliance (feminism and aboriginals in Canada for example), if not an unspoken ceasefire with each other.

                    We just need the perfect case. I would propose it will be a black male accused of rape against a white woman in a frat house or something. An egregious case of 'victim blaming' or whatever. The Reverend knows how to rally, so why hasn't this happened yet?

                    [–]FinallyRed 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                    This perfect case happens all the time, it just isn't blown up into a media storm because it is not a part of the narrative. The perfect case is the one that can incite as much inter-racial and gender strife as possible so as to shift attention from important matters of real consequence. Think rich white man undeniably slaying a black woman, preferably with sexual connotations, and preferably they know each other.

                    [–]NeoreactionSafe 14 points15 points  (12 children)

                    Aboriginals in Canada would be the same as "Native Americans" or the old term was "Indians" here.

                    That's interesting.

                    So in Canada the aboriginals side with the Feminists as a block.

                    Definitely reinforces how these cultural marxist SJW types function. They seek out the smaller racial groups and get them to vote as a block with the Feminists.

                    It's a great strategy.

                    When the Roman Republic fell to the Roman Empire it was the combined forces of new immigrants and women that went with the Empire. The original Roman's ethnically faded out. (ironically replaced by Germans)

                    Patterns repeat.

                    [–]NeoreactionSafe 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                    You might like this:

                    http://blog.jim.com/war/nationalism-whiteness-and-kin/

                    "A single universal empire tends to sacrifice its central nation, its founding ethnicity, for the good of the empire, which is what so pissed off the Turks about the Ottoman empire, that they ended the Caliphate. Like white anglo saxon protestants today, the Turks were oppressed by their subject nations, rather than oppressing them. "

                    /r/DarkEnlightenment

                    [–]busyalterego 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    That's fascinating. Will definitely have to check that place out.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Rome began to fade as a power when their political system cowed to capitalist interests. Corruption destroyed their empire - because senators wanted to be rich at the expense of the ability to defend and maintain their military holdings. It was cheaper to hire mercs than to maintain legions, which completely undermined their military power structure.

                    The last Roman emperor was a good military man, though. He died on the walls of the last Roman city while defending his people against an invasion from Asia Minor.

                    [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    No, no, no...

                    All Empires end up dying because the mob demands "bread and circuses".

                    They always end up dying by overspending and losing their cultural identity. By the time the Roman Empire died out there were very few native Romans in the population.

                    [–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    I was just using an example, but yeah.

                    I find it's more feminists latch onto the other SJ groups - homosexuals would as well fall into this.

                    I'm not as much into the comparisons to the Roman Empire and such (not a historical determinist or anything), but maybe you're right.

                    [–]omnipedia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    Lesbians, yes, the rift between feminists and gay males is rapidly widening, as gay male culture is moving towards a more masculine footing than in the past.

                    [–]ECoast_Man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Maybe I should have qualified a bit.

                    It seems more one-sided, in that feminists seem to parasite into other SJ movements, such as LGBT.

                    Gay men, for sure at least in Canada don't seem into feminism at all. I know for an actual fact that gay men are actually sought after in the business community because they often look the part, work hard as hell, unlikely to have children, etc. Years ago when I was in employment law several times I was involved in terminating women in favour of gay men, and it was easy because it doesn't fit the 'narrative' for women's groups that a gay men would be hired instead.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Are you familiar with Douglas Bland?

                    [–]cranktacular 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    I'm a marxist. It's not a great strategy. It alienates no-bullshit working class types that would be most likely to be brought into a movement by economic issues and it distracts social minorities from economic issues which contribute greatly to their own social inequality. But these kinds of socialists honestly believe that social discrimination is 100% unrelated to economic inequality. They're too blind to see that as middle class university students they are the most receptive to this kind of thinking. Seems to me the best way to advance these attitudes would be to create more middle class people like them, through economic policies.

                    You cannot build a cohesive movement from minorities. For instance Transgendered people are somewhere between 1% to one Thousandth of one percent of the population, depending on how you quantify "trans" It's like herding cats. In theory economic inequality is supposed to be what holds the movement together. But the truth is most of the people involved are only in it insofar as their own pet projects are concerned and really intend to co-opt this movement with its large membership base.

                    The "you scratch my back and ill scratch yours" strategy of fighting every single minorities battles before dealing with economic inequality also strikes me as insincere and ineffective since the goalposts of what constitutes discrimination seems to be constantly shifting. People aren't going to become card carrying socialists just because socialists did something nice for them once. You'll be lucky if you keep them for a single generation. But will the next generation give a shit? Or will they just take the world they were born into for granted?

                    The gays are the black sheep of the social justice movement. Because they are perceived to have given up once they won enough progress for themselves. But the truth is there was never major cross over there, Since intersectionality wasn't yet the paradigm and there was no trans movement. The Gays did it all by themselves. Now half the gay people i know are high income earners and vote according to their own self interests.

                    Once you help lift minorities up into higher tax brackets they're only going to start jealously guarding what they've won. Socialists think they're building a movement, but they're really just preserving the status quo.

                    [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Russia and China abandoned Marxism in favor of Authoritarianism.

                    This makes sense.

                    Marxism is basically lies on top of lies on top of more lies. People get so confused and unmotivated that things stop working.

                    Authoritarianisn is K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)

                    Things revert back to natural laws... socialism is an escape from reality.

                    You might check:

                    /r/DarkEnlightenment

                    ...maybe it's time to throw that socialist stuff away?

                    Red Pill leans more towards truth than socialism.

                    [–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    The Democrat party has always had these groups thrown in together, always with some internecine strife. The currently biggest fault line, and it's getting pretty intense, is between blacks who are being pushed out for hispanics.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Interesting point about the "ceasefire". Maybe it's more of a cold war? Feminism has never said anything truly critical of hyper-sexual black male culture (See "Blurred Lines" for this double-standard at its most yawning and abyssal); I wonder when this will change?

                    [–]Redpillc0re 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                    but "Peak Feminism" is still years away.

                    I m not sure about that. There's already ~2 years now that we keep hearing about women and tech and universities with case after case proving to be a BIG FAT LIE. How long does it take for "the public" to get tired of being used as an emotional tampon for crazy women? I actually think this verdict may be the tipping point. It used to be that a single allegation would get a CEO fired, now people may start having a second thought.

                    [–]antariusz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    Nah, we're years and years away from the misandry bubble popping anytime soon. Minimum of 5, but it could be a decade or 2.

                    [–]knarf68 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    tired of being used as an emotional tampon for crazy women

                    I just wanted to read that again. Perfect.

                    [–]through_a_ways 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    African American males who currently buy into Civil Rights dogma will become disillusioned once they get thrown under the bus as Feminism takes over.

                    Didn't that happen like 80 years ago? I thought the whole failure of black society was that the government introduced welfare, which nullified the role of men, which created the havoc you see today.

                    The promotion of lesser qualified women in the workplace, and divorce laws which are biased towards women, are how they're getting it to white America.

                    [–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    It was 1960's, so 55 years ago.

                    Racism (African Civil Rights) and Sexism (Feminism) are parallel Blue Pill indoctrination techniques.

                    Both are based on Marxist "class struggles" and victimization language.

                    White guys understand it because we are attacked both ways, but the African Male Red Piller often seems unable to reconcile how much Hamstering is required as a man to not see those as the same.

                    It's like the Africans say:

                    "Of course... I will see myself as a victim because of my Racist ideology... but the Feminist stuff is Blue Pill."

                    ...the logical inconsistency is overwhelming,

                    [–]benreeper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Well the greatest beneficiary of Affirmative Actions has been white females (and to a lesser extent, black females) but people always assume that black males played the race card to get where they are. For black males, there is no race card.

                    [–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    The African male may well see all males on the same team, but aside from stopping thugs from doing knockout games (a tiny minority of them), this has no benefit for the remainder of males. Affirmative action puts them in our midst constantly despite sustained lower performance, hence it's merely in their interest for whites to buy into the idea of being on the same team.

                    I have no issues with black men's views on women's issues. They have been more resistant to pressure to adopt gay and white knight views. So you're not even predicting a change.

                    [–]bama79rolltide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    THESE are the type of lawsuits that tort reform should apply to.

                    [–]randarrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    A different perspective on the trial, from women on the jury They're all acting traumatized.

                    Edit: Words

                    [–]srsh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I wonder if the result of this jury verdict will affect her interim status as Reddit's CEO.

                    [–]fuck_da_haes[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    This reminds me of american "The Office"

                    [–]Catabisis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    The feminist version of Black people crying racism with no basis in merit

                    [–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Why does she look so manly?

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                      [–]stuckinbathroom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I wonder what her digit ratio is.

                      [–]MajorStyles -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Score one for the Manosphere.